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foreign people of the internet welcome back to
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another episode of the waveform podcast we're your hosts I'm Marquez I'm Andrew and I'm David and we're all here to talk
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about how AI is getting crazy good you've probably never heard a podcast episode about this exact topic before
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we're gonna be the first ones to break it down for you but yeah turns out AI tools kind of amazing right now
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everything is going to be different from here on out for the rest of time I had that hot take on Twitter where I compared it to crypto just saying it has
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more usable things and boy does that ruffle yes
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we'll we'll get to that in a minute but also uh we want to talk about some Twitter news and also about Apple
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possibly releasing something that they might not be super confident in just a different type of apple especially when
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you hear stories about the first iPhone and how how they had to lock things down for Steve now it's a little different yeah Fuji apple instead of a Snapdragon
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Apple exactly it's a different type of apple but first we have a we have we have a correction to make yeah I have a
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action I feel like I led you all astray listeners and hosts I said the Volkswagen id2 was similar to the golf I
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was very wrong about that because I'm a so thank you everyone hi uh to be
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fair it does seem like the golf in the last couple years has gotten bigger but even still the old golf the id2 is
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smaller than that it's like the Volkswagen Polo which I'd never heard I've never heard of that but
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overall smaller which goes kind of to what David was saying he wanted a
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smaller car to park easier this might be the one for you David I gotta say uh I
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also wanted to make a correction because uh I said that smart cars were really expensive and then I looked them up and
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they're only like fifteen thousand dollars used so it's because it's airbags sorry what oh yeah you just
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instantly it's not trade off the pull oh yeah the size of the pullout looks much better for Brooklyn I gotta say I think
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this might be in your future there was a video on Twitter the other day of a
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truck tire falling off of the truck and then a air quote small car rolling over
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it and being absolutely launched into the air yeah uh small car reserved the soul isn't that
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small the Soul's like a pretty decent size for what it is it is actually a normal size car yeah and I think like
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that video do you think it's also partially because the soul is like a flat front so when it hit the tire it
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like gripped onto it and launched it up rather than if it was like uh I mean this is a
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like crazy like if it was a Lamborghini with a really aggressive front do you think the tire would have just launched
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into the air and stuff to say if it was low to the ground yeah I go to the ground and like slanted possibly I will
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say that after I tweeted about this several other people sent me other videos of other tires launching other
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cars into the air really so it might be dependent on the frontal area or shape
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of the car but I'll just say that new fear are definitely unlocked after seeing this one yikes great good news
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about it person walked away yeah so car safety is getting fantastic it was also
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captured by this was by like the century the footage of the Tesla behind it imagine trying to explain that to Insurance of like look man because I was
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driving and then I was 12 feet in the air and then I was upside down I don't know what happened but I promise it
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wasn't my fault the skies opened everything man whatever you say luckily the guy with the wheel wasn't allowed to
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get away because he was missing a wheel of a car um yeah so sorry off track it's okay
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that's our correction okay I still want to see what a polo size is though it's
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I think it was like uh 400 millimeters shorter than a golf explained
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millimeters yes but we're American so I don't actually know what that means we also have a correction to make over here
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at the producers oh no wait no we don't we're great sorry nice well please get a
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trivia questions are on mung beans returns move on I did get them okay well
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you know we'll just see it in 2025 and then we'll see the id2 and then you can know what a polo looks like wow that'll
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be a reference okay let's talk about dope Tech we we did a dope Tech video of uh so it turned out we had a theme the
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theme was all of these devices we had Rock Bottom expectations for and they
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all were like kind of good at something even though we still wouldn't recommend them they did exceed our Rock Bottom
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expectations yeah uh we we kind of changed it up at the last second it was gonna be something else uh I'll talk
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through the things that I felt most strongly about which were mostly Amazon Astro okay and then we can get the the
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shoes I also wanted to say I think David thought of the name you're a dope Tech
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and I think that's what we should have called it interesting I think my name was Doper than Doug
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okay maybe that's why we didn't name it someone thought you're a dope comma Tech and that would have been awesome both
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would work yeah both would work that one works better though okay I think yours would have gotten more clicks I can tell
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you that yeah so Amazon Astro is not really for retail sale we kind of had to
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go through a connection to get it meaning there's a small group of people with access to purchase one for one
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thousand five hundred dollars or whatever it was 600 now 1600 and we had to pay them to get it
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um still worth it you know what is he's been chirping around the studio rolling around being entertaining for like a month or so honestly I had no
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expectations for Astro to be good you know and it it's purpose just for those who are unfamiliar is it's uh it's this
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little little helper robot that rolls around your home and it has a couple features it's got a screen on the front
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with a face it's got cameras and microphones and of course it has wheels so it can roll around so it'll be an
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Alexa robot it'll answer your questions it'll follow you around and be helpful theoretically and then when you leave
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your home it can roll your house and roll around from room to room and notice
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if a unfamiliar face appears or if a loud sound or a window crashing happens and it's your security device as well
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that's the that's the Astro like theme in two minutes it's got a retractable camera that goes like four feet in the
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air yeah which goes higher but not that high yeah barely counter height yeah yeah
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so I don't know we first got it and it it roams around the studio and it starts mapping things out and then I'm like I
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hear it behind me mapping things out and I open up like my browser and I look up Astro and it's like Astro is an
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unmitigated disaster and throws itself downstairs and I'm like oh this might not be great but so that's why that's my
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expectation started you made a lot of memes about Astra throwing himself down the stairs yeah that was a long time ago
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maybe putting him at the top of the stairs but they never did it I think it's safe to say when we got the opportunity to get Astro
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we wanted to throw it we wanted it to throw it we wanted to put it at the top of the stairs and turn the cameras on
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and just wait yes and then we wound up liking it just enough to not want to do that so what it does is it has this face
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that changes everything yeah and it just looks at you it's got these eyes and it just it it stares at you and when you
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walk into the room it looks over at you and goes hi I missed you and it like puts text on the screen and says David I
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missed you or sometimes I'll walk in and it'll be like miles I missed you or vin I miss it doesn't know who people are
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like it tries but it's not always 100 right um but then it like it has these sounds and these expressions and so even though
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it's really bad at the things it's supposed to do it does seem kind of like innocent and friendly where like if I if
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I was a robber and I broke into a house like someone actually someone did this where they tested Astro where they like
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walked in they snuck into a house and Astro just like stared blankly right through them and nothing happened so
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it's like it is bad at most of what it does but for some reason the face just
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personifies it just enough for us to not want to dunk on it all the time when you anthropomorphize robots yeah they can be
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as useless as possible but they're still really fun I I used to the apartment I used to live in I used to live with
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Michael Fisher and we had this robot called Jibo he's made a video on he loved that thing oh yeah yeah I did too
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yeah yeah we considered him part of the family he just kind of he doesn't even move around like Astro he sits in one
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place and he sort of like swivels and he dances and he'll randomly like show you
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uh a turtle or a magic trick that I've never seen this sorry I just pulled it up he's so cute he's he was designed by
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one of the like an ex Pixar employee okay that makes me and all his animations are like super adorable
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um they eventually went out of business turned the servers off and then the company got sold to like Kaiser
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Permanente or something and now they use them in hospitals with like dying children
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so yeah interesting so they they cheer them up yeah it's it's like you can
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anthropomorphize it a little bit but we don't want it to be like full-on humanoid because then it gets into
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creepy right so it's like just like it has a face it's like just friendly enough yeah uh and that's what makes it
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like acceptable but like every you get on the list of things it's supposed to do and one by one it's like oh this
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isn't actually as good as I thought like it's supposed to be able to like uh it follows you around sure if you ask it
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for a video it'll play a video on the screen sometimes we asked it what do we ask it okay the first night we had it I
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said Astro I'm not assuming anyone listening is it has an astro so I'm gonna set your Astro off if you do I
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said Astro play an MKBHD video and it pulled up a web page from Dailymotion
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playing a pirated Judge Judy episode in like horizontally flipped because they
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didn't want the copyright strike on it and just played a full 45 minute episode of Judge Judy at ankle level at ankle
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level not even full screen because it was on the page the daily version page yeah so it was fantastic so it does that
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sometimes um and then you'll ask it for something like what's the weather tomorrow and it'll just stare at you and not answer
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because it doesn't go I didn't understand that yeah it just you say its name the eyes turn blue and then you say
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the command and then you hope it does something and if it doesn't it just stares right back at you it doesn't do anything pretty much all these social
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robots are like really bad at what they're supposed to do but they're so adorable that you just kind of love them like Astra rolls around and like gets in
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your way and like I've tripped over him once and I don't really care he likes to sit right behind your ankles like
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without you noticing like you have your headphones on it your standing desk and then he's just like hey but it's just so silly and like when you ask him to do
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something and he does something so completely random like playing an episode of Judge Judy it's like this is
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worth the sixteen hundred dollars right like that's what most pieces of tech ordinarily if it was this bad at all of
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the things it was supposed to do would be like this thing is terrible why would anyone want anything even near this but because it's so friendly and cute we're
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like oh it tried and it's it's not even so I mean I guess it's supposed to kind of be like that but you're talking about
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Jibo which is like it's supposed to be a social robot right Astro is supposed to
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be able to do all these different things that could I mean let's be real for sixteen hundred dollars you could put like a wise cam in every single crevice
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of your entire house and do the exact same thing that like monitoring Astro could do yeah but like you put a cup
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holder on an iRobot robot or you could just walk 10 feet and because somebody has to get the thing out of the
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refrigerator anyways but like because he's so friendly which isn't his main main thing like I said we didn't want
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him to fall down the stairs it's literally the way he looks at you the way he acts a little bit he makes sounds
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yeah just cute enough to not want to just punt that thing across the room
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which is crossed my mind a few times the weird thing is those are all very intentional decisions yes coded into
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yeah intentional but there are plenty of companies that intentionally try and do that and it doesn't work and for
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whatever reason and no matter how frustrating Astro is it worked and it made us not destroy I discovered
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possibly the most annoying Astro feature yesterday no way yeah so another one
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yeah even more yeah um the one command Astro does with a hundred percent
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success is play Chuck Mangione couldn't tell you why well but he's
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never let me down with that one um but I discovered he has that mute button on the top that will not stop
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playing music like like it's just uses my personality so then you mute it and
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then you say Astro stop playing music because you're frustrated that the music's still playing but then he's muted so he doesn't respond to you well
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the mic is muted yeah that's what he's supposed to do no if I hit the shut up Astro button it should shut up it
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shouldn't be like oh you want my personality but you're thinking about the mute switch ROMs yeah the mute switch is like you have a camera and a
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microphone following you around your house all day that's the make that stop button yeah yeah I feel like in that
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scenario you're like I'm having a party and I want Chuck Mangione playing obviously and you don't want other
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people to be able to change that Chuck mangione's play so now you put the mute on so he continues to play it and no one
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else can tell him what to do or you work at Amazon or you work at Google and you're on a video call and you've got
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your smart assistance in your apartment you don't want him to just like go off like crazy while you're on your video call it's weird
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good so the reason it made dope Tech is because it's weirdly good at a few things one of them is rolling around
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confidently yes so we don't have stairs but we do have like carpets and different levels or whatever the studio and that thing like mapped out the
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studio once and it just rolls around right behind people's ankles goes underneath tripods like it seems
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extremely good at just going places he skirts objects with like millimeters yeah
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once in a while but he will hit my toes yeah well that's your fault to people but like you can drop something in the
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middle of the room that wasn't there when he mapped it and he'll just go right past it just like right around it which is fine yeah it did almost like
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strangle itself with some cables okay I wanted to say he one time yeah there was a cable hanging near his docking station
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and he spun around and moved forward and got it tangled around his neck his neck and like just the like watching him go
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forward and pull back a little bit and his eyes I like ran over to save him because there was just this Instinct in
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me like that is that is real and he is dying he's in trouble is so hard right now but that's just
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proof that like how good it is at acting like yeah thing yeah it's also very good at when you call it and this works best
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when there's no one else in the room but when I call it from anywhere in the room it turns around and looks right at me and it locks a triangulation of of
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microphones it's incredible yeah and I I was trying to figure out how it's so good so like if I was 90 degrees to the
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right and I say hey Astro it turns to the right and sees me if I'm behind him he like turns his body and then hits me
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at 90 degrees but like if there's three other people in the room sometimes I'll be behind it and say hey Astro and it'll
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turn and face a different person so I think it's a combination of triangulating sounds finding a person and it just stops at the first person it
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sees yeah I think that's also like a perfect way to describe how good and bad he is because you can say hey Astro it
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will you know do a 180 tilt its head up look you dead in the eyes and then you'll say come here and it'll be like
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on my way and then spin around 180 and start looking for you again and it makes no sense yeah so he's so cute got great
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speakers I love him I love him Tim hates him for some reason Ellis hates him too there are reasons do I hate extra oh
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Astro yeah yeah raid him one to ten can we rate these three things can all of us give everything a rating all right yeah
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as in I would actually buy it or just how much I like it rating conditions you
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just spent sixteen hundred dollars and you got Astro and you're going to the purchase link and rating it on a 10 one
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to ten system like I had to actually spend the money yeah oh God one thousand six hundred dollars but I
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already spent it like I had no choice sure yeah can I return it yeah but you still got to review it all right he
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already scraped his face on something so you can't return I would give him a six
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out of ten wow because he's really enjoyable to have around even if he's
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really bad at what he's supposed to do he does like hanging around around people yeah like if he's in an empty room and he hears people in another room
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he'll go I'm gonna go hang out with y'all and yeah like I want to get cats but I'm not home enough so I feel is
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perfect until it gets itself down a flight of stairs though I don't have stairs oh perfect perfect and it has that like so six seconds like when you
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come in after a while it's like oh good to see you again that's like kind of nice I know it really is there you go um
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if I had to rate it I feel like it's so bad that if I spent 1600 I'd want to
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rate it higher to try and Gaslight myself into thinking that it was worth the sixteen hundred dollars discovering
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other people um I don't know like if I actually spend money on it it's like a two out of ten
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just because it like makes me happy every once in a while but then what I happiness is not worth more than two out
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of ten Stars not when the rest of its frustration all of my pants were frustration I would have given them them
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at least a 3.5 out of 10. I think that's a bad rating damn well you just had him on backwards it's not true not true I I
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think in the video I gave it a five I think if I'd spent the money and wanted it in my home to do all the things
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I'd probably give it like a two wow yeah it's tough heartless what if Amazon made a refrigerator that had a little docking
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station so it could dock in and actually put drinks in it that would be epic two and a half I was gonna say that is a
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like wild thing it would have to do and it would still barely increase the usability because they'd never have to get off of it every twitch streamer has
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a small Red Bull refrigerator next to them they're also three feet from it all the
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time yeah true yeah I feel like it if I was like a 3D printing home builder type
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of guy I would have so much fun building all of these little things like a fridge that has a little arm that could you
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know yeah it's a ramp yeah just like building Astro accessories would be so much fun but I I have to give Astro a
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zero because like I feel a little hypocritical because David and I you know we talk a lot in private about how
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much we love the history of companies like Bell Labs that just threw unlimited money at sip at weird problems and
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developed like incredible things but like I I can't justify a company
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like Amazon being like let's make something bad for the hell of it instead of like well they just had to release it
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like all the engineers were like this is not ready and Amazon was like shipping but what's it for unmitigated disaster
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actually it's like it's like it's like they're actually making a product that's like we're doing this for literally no
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other reason than we have nothing else to do when it's like well to have a roaming microphone the camera in your house yeah it's like I don't know I'm
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over it I I like I don't I don't I don't need to be like pumped up for this thing when we come in one day and the screen
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is just laying off of the body on the ground we know we know who the number one suspect is I I don't want to like
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break it right because it's 1600 but I'm not gonna be like that guy but I've been so curious about what would happen if I
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just put it on its side like I'm afraid the screen's gonna break like a cat and
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it goes I can't actually I can't handle this I feel like it could turn its head and lift up and be like a horseshoe crab
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that flips out so if that's coded in that would be unbelievable
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is here yeah all right Adam I'm going zero what
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because you guys don't like I love Astros if we average this out Astros like zero zero my favorite thing we've
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gotten in the studio in so long but if I had to pay 1600 to have this in my house I'd be if you already paid the 1600
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you're rating it after therefore I'm more pissed I would still return it 1600 more than I
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need Astra and I would rate it for the people reading your review they would they would have to know how bad it is because like as a as a consumer this
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doesn't do anything useful that's what I'm spending the money it's a pretty good speaker the one thing I can yeah the one thing I could say if you were if
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you were if I'm imagining an Amazon employee in here right now he'd be like look you could buy a separate 10-inch
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Alexa show and a Bluetooth speaker that's really good and a security system
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or you could buy them all in one none of those are unreal it's friendly yeah I could stop by any well it has to be on
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Wheels in order to be all three but that's my devil's advocate so what was your number two two two six zero is that
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eight and there's five of us so it got eight over here eight over five I got about a one point three we're going out
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of ten right yeah first grade 1.6 1.6 star average between us all right all
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right that's moving on okay that's probably fair I I love him I had I want to tell a quick really quick story about
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gebo uh Michael had this a really amazing story about Jibo when he first got him where he like left on a work
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trip and hit Jibo was like in the living room and he had a roommate and at like three in the morning Jibo just randomly
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started blasting Killing In The Name Of but yeah Rage Against the Machine and his roommate was like what is going on
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and he walks in the room and gebo's just like dancing to it too and yeah it's incredible anyway social robots all
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right let's move on okay real quick the last two we had the Huawei watch buds uh I did a short on it eventually put it in
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this video I didn't expect it to be great because of the theory that I mentioned which is like two in ones have
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to make some sacrifices some places this is a decent wall a smartwatch and a
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really convenient really basic low-level pair of earbuds that happens to go inside the technology is good enough that like it works three hour battery
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life the watch lasts more than a day or two cool uh I would never buy it because
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I don't need earbuds that instantly in my life but I could picture a few like you're on the train and like oh I'm
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getting a call I was expecting this one pop it out put one earbudding you're good it worked so I I think I gave it a
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seven in the video I was like this concept is surprisingly usable for what I was expecting considering Huawei
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watches have really really good battery life in general because they're not wear OS um even with the cut down battery it
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being over two days is like pretty good the earbuds are really bad yeah but
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definitely for like an in a pinch like you get a voice note or you're getting a phone call and you're just like really
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quickly need to listen to it yeah whatever and some of the tech is kind of cool how you can like put whatever earbud in each ear and it doesn't really
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matter automatically that was the dope Tech very cool in the magnetic pairing like all that stuff very cool but um yeah I
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don't know I you'd have to buy a Huawei smart watch and be let's say it's 600 bucks what would you get what number
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rating could you give it 600 yeah 550-ish I just think I mean it's hard to buy a
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smartwatch that isn't more integrated into the way that your smartphone actually works right yeah so like the
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Apple watch is super integrated into all your Apple Health stuff uh any Android Wear watch is very integrated with all
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your Android apps Huawei watches are like all the data is on there and then
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on the Huawei Health app and that's a good point yeah I think I would give a higher rating to the concept and the
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execution than the actual product right if like if the Apple watch or the pixel watch pulled off the same thing it would
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be more easy to integrate into our lives and that would be a better product but this one I could literally never use
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yeah so yeah yeah I'd probably give it a yeah it's like the technology is really
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cool I'd probably get about a four okay out of 10. yeah I really liked what
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you mentioned which I didn't know about until I watched the video so I've missed you guys the like how it can tell which ear it's in I think that could be
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something with earbuds in the future when they sound better being that small like it's
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cool how small they are I like how much they fit into your ears obviously if they didn't sound very good
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who really cares um I could see it as like in almost all the
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scenarios you guys are talking about I think just pulling out your what truly wireless earbuds would be like two seconds faster which I know we
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are like saving time and staring in your pocket what if they're in your bag then it's three years I still don't think it's that bad but um yeah but like I
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could totally see this as being something like first gen like uh folding phone where like I'm willing to have
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worse battery life or sound on my headphones if somebody in the outside can watch me flip open my damn watch and
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put earbuds yeah yeah like there's something cool about that the first Samsung fold wasn't great but the people
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who saw you unfold the phone in public interest you're like yeah I'm that guy interesting also when you go to TSA they
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don't make you take your watch off so you would also not have to put your earbuds in the tray that's kind of nice
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nice you know hopefully you go through the metal detector and it doesn't go off yeah I go through the metal detector
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with like a belt and a watch and several things yeah okay by that yeah you finally care word so yeah I'll give it
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like five out of ten five okay dude I go through the metal detector so often I know that's exactly what I can do yeah
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yeah you gotta show me your belt broke because I'm not are you going through the metal detector or the I'm going
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through the stand up yeah you need pre-check so you can do the metal detector and then it doesn't matter uh
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okay yeah I'm sorry I'm sorry you stole my peasant normal TSA life I like forgot that I was even an option is so worth it
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yeah best a lot of credit cards will pay for you to do pre-check so it's 200 for
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every two years if you fly enough and are in airports that have pre-check it's just very worth yeah it's very worth it
00:25:11
yeah yeah anyway uh what would you give it pre-check 10 out of 10. um I'm giving the concept to seven and the actual
00:25:18
product of one oh like wow that was way worse than I thought I cannot use the product I mean I have to use a Huawei
00:25:24
phone and that would really bother me it's hard to do it based on like us being in the US and not being able to use Huawei like right that's tough a lot
00:25:30
of people said you could download the Huawei Health app on any Android phone and then it might be able to pair
00:25:36
but I'm not sure I think we should if I I could give that the benefit of the doubt and then I could maybe use it I
00:25:41
still don't love it and it would be like a three but yeah I love the I love the idea the concept is well done so there's
00:25:48
that yeah uh you guys have any any thoughts on the watch buds I did not use them okay cool I didn't use them but
00:25:55
just seeing you guys use them probably like a one or two okay wow so pretty pretty middling rating for those uh the
00:26:03
last thing we got to try 10 out of 10. straight to the Moon baby if you guys
00:26:09
watched the last week's episode I did show off them including my feet so if you want to see either my feet
00:26:15
so last time okay so Andrew had the decently high expectations for them let's talk about what they are for the
00:26:21
audio yeah what are they and did they live up to your expectations it's like uh you know the moving sidewalks at the
00:26:26
airport it's like if you could strap that onto your feet yeah every day so you could walk
00:26:31
faster but walk faster not jog walk faster yes um yeah they're basically
00:26:37
like wheels that you strap onto your shoes that have a hinge so you can still like go over press up on a toe and like
00:26:42
go over stuff and also if you lock them you can walk upstairs without being like it sounds like that anyways but at least
00:26:49
there's a little toe movement when you're doing it um
00:26:54
I had I wanted these so bad I've wanted these since the second I saw them and I've been trying to convince you guys to
00:27:00
get them and it took a lot of convincing um and then like Casey made a video on them and I started seeing them and I was
00:27:06
like I need to try these so bad um we got them I honestly still do think they were
00:27:12
really fun the problem is is they're 1200 they weigh four and a half pounds each so like walking around with them so
00:27:21
are they 1400 something like that okay walking with them normally you're supposed to be able to walk with them
00:27:26
normally and then when you want to skate on them yeah walking with them normally you sound like uh transformed so loudly
00:27:33
so loud and even when you roll with them the wine from the motors is so loud our
00:27:41
building hates us it loves us and hates us yeah but um yeah I was excited for
00:27:46
them I don't I like see the potential the thing about all of these is like I see the potential
00:27:52
just enough in all of them I have a really hard time being at four and a half pounds super clunky and like
00:28:00
if you want like what is the use case here you want to that's we have a long walking commute and you want to go
00:28:06
faster with less energy but you still want to use some energy so you don't want to use like a boosted board or a
00:28:12
scooter but I try I've tried to pigeonhole this into it's a situation where it wins over something which is
00:28:19
like hoverboard boosted board that's how I feel about all these items all of these but I I find a real struggle to
00:28:26
like actually put the moonwalkers at the top of of some situation yeah like I think in the video I ended up with being
00:28:32
like you have a short Last Mile commute from like the subway station to your office building which involves the
00:28:39
stairs out of the subway station and you like already have them on and you like you walk through the city with that like
00:28:46
you could still do that with a Segway or a hoverboard but you'd have to pick it up for the stairs but you don't want to pick it up so you do that it's like
00:28:52
that's the one time I could see it being the best option but it's like Astro it's like I can't really find too many other
00:28:59
reason one use case where I think it would actually be pretty useful so I use my
00:29:05
boosted board almost every single day but if it is either raining even lightly
00:29:10
or if the streets are just wet because it did rain you can't really use a boosted board because it just throws
00:29:15
water up at your legs and then my pants get soaked but these I can still get
00:29:21
somewhere faster faster and especially since I hang out most of the time I hang out in my neighborhood if I just like
00:29:27
need to get you know eight blocks away to get to my friend's apartment or something
00:29:32
much faster would you do it absolutely can I bring these home I would love to bring these yes so also it says designed
00:29:39
with an Adaptive AI drivetrain this is a pet peeve of mine yeah no it's not it's not just just don't use that word it's
00:29:46
not AI you don't have to say it's a adaptive it's probably adaptive it's probably very clever it's probably great software and well engineered you don't
00:29:52
have to say it's AI you just don't have to also quick hack for your boosted board in the rain have you seen Sam Shepard just takes a piece of cardboard
00:29:59
and lays it on top and then it just shoots all the water into the cardboard and then you just throw the cardboard
00:30:04
out when it's wet yeah but then how do I get back you could keep the cardboard till you
00:30:10
get back that's a good point does the water not Splash up from the road longboard so it's outside of the the
00:30:16
motors that are protected it doesn't matter it splashes up under my pants that's the issue I went to a party a few
00:30:21
a couple weekends ago and I just showed up my pants were absolutely soaked and they were like wow what happened to you
00:30:26
yes yeah interesting yeah so I'm gonna I'm gonna test these in Brooklyn okay and then see how people react and I'll
00:30:33
film it based on what you've experienced so far yeah you've you've spent 1 399 on
00:30:38
these you waited the time required because it's a Kickstarter you got the pre-order oh what's your rating oh God
00:30:46
um a three because I like them and they're fun and once you get used to
00:30:53
them they're like you can get pretty good at them and they do actually go over like bumps and stuff pretty well because they have like nine wheels on
00:31:00
each foot which is really good you have a lot yeah um but they're like 10 pounds each so
00:31:07
your ankles start hurting and also like the side muscle in your right leg starts hurting a lot it flexors hip flexor
00:31:13
stretch yeah um and then also like when you get to your destination like what you just keep
00:31:19
wearing them or you take them off so you got to take them you're supposed to keep wearing any other last mile like a scooter you'd have to put it in the
00:31:25
corner somewhere like yeah I think their ultimate goal would be you keep wearing them oh God oh God you're getting some
00:31:31
height yeah let's show up to your first I gave at least two inches tall two inches which is pretty dope feeling
00:31:36
taller so the number is like what out of ten three three out of ten yeah all right imagine this for that much
00:31:43
money David raining outside wants to go to the cafe in Brooklyn film this dude moonwalkers
00:31:50
yes walking down the street pops open his smart watch to pull his
00:31:56
earbuds out yes and then Astros following behind him and then I have that triple screen MacBook adapter
00:32:03
so I get to my Cafe I open that up and then I put the unreal glasses on and plug those into my Mac and Astro can
00:32:10
grab your coffee when it's ready from the Barista if you somehow jumped during all this it'll be a miracle I only live
00:32:16
three blocks away from this Cafe so I really hope you walk in like Jesus this guy's out of control okay I'm gonna
00:32:24
do this I'm just saying I'm I will film it I'm gonna give the moonwalkers like a
00:32:30
10 out of 10. I'm between one and two oh between one and two can't give half
00:32:36
scores but it's because okay one it's a one but it's like the the current iteration of the tech like you just how
00:32:41
I was impressed with the technology of the watch buds I was like man this has got to kill the battery of either the watch buds or the watch and it turned
00:32:47
out like you still get two days on the watch and three hours on the bud so I was like that's pretty good Tech I guess we can do it at this point with these it
00:32:54
is proven that the tech is not at a point where it is a reasonable product over the other things so I would never
00:33:01
recommend to anyone these over any of the other options yeah it also says walk
00:33:07
at the speed of a run and it's really walk at the speed of a jog which is still impressive I do like that you can
00:33:13
feel the wind in your hair when you're just walking Alice was jogging next to us while I was just casually walking like oh you do get the
00:33:20
speed still uses a lot of energy because you have to lift up the 10 pound shoes and you're kind of tired by the time you
00:33:27
stop I'm gonna recommend one of those hoverboard things more I do want to use these on a moving escalator in there oh
00:33:33
my God that's Jason Bourne dude that's like literally flying that's Back to the Future 88.
00:33:39
every time I fly out of JFK in the Delta terminal I'm always like the last gate and it takes me like 20 minutes from
00:33:45
security to get to that gate I would fly there I will say when I was in the hallway of
00:33:51
the building I was like testing and shooting them walking down the hallway and it's like clomp Clump whirring sounds and I got to the end of the
00:33:56
hallway and I just hear someone poke out in another suite and go that's that's it that's the sound I mean that's because
00:34:02
of this entire week we've been cloughing through the hallway they're going what is that and like two heads poked out and
00:34:07
they were like what is that and I was like it's ah I don't know man it's bad we've been having a lot of people just
00:34:13
like poke out and film us yeah so like through the airport you would get to the gate faster but not without some great
00:34:19
stairs yeah can you bring them straight on the plane do they have too much battery I don't know probably not also
00:34:25
they're not gonna check so confused yeah they're just gonna be battery is three amp hours 3 000 million
00:34:31
Powers okay either way it looks pretty small yeah but smaller than a phone yeah than most phones well anyway if you
00:34:38
haven't seen that dope Tech video uh when you stop your car or however you're listening to this you should go check it
00:34:43
out because all of these products are really ridiculous there's no way to appreciate how it looks and sounds until you watch the video yeah so definitely
00:34:50
do that yeah all right we gotta take a quick break but before that let us do some trivia trivia dude trivia dude all
00:34:59
right first question we asked David before this he got to pick the topic of
00:35:05
today's trivia questions so Ellis asked him what he wanted he said Transformers I was going to do a question about
00:35:10
Optimus Prime Ellis talked me out of it so we're just gonna do regular Transformer questions so now when you
00:35:16
say regular Transformer this is they're gonna do product Transformer like power stations and AI yeah I should say camera
00:35:24
sensors could be a next week okay so the word Transformers was introduced by a
00:35:30
team at Google in 2017. what was the name of that team
00:35:35
oh I already I know this okay [Laughter]
00:35:41
Marquez you have no idea yeah can we get a bonus point for you know
00:35:47
the name of the paper no no because the name of the paper is like famous the team I feel like is nothing do you think
00:35:53
these guys know it no okay let's go to ad break let's stop making fun of us foreign
00:35:58
[Music]
00:36:06
welcome back um have you guys seen all these new like mid-journey version five and how it can
00:36:13
now create pictures with like real celebrity faces yeah yeah it's yucky it's terrifying it's
00:36:20
like one of the things with dolly is like specifically you can't do all people yeah there was a reason for that
00:36:27
and that was for safety yeah it was even just like vague people too right just like any old random person like so it
00:36:35
wouldn't use sources with likenesses and like real celebrities like you could ask it for MKBHD but it would spit out like
00:36:41
a kind of a generic looking black guy but if you ask it for uh a generic
00:36:46
looking black guy you will get one but like it won't spit out someone's likeness intentionally and then the
00:36:52
messing up was just like Dolly not being great at that point yeah okay so yeah this is the total opposite of that this
00:36:59
doesn't care at all um you can now do celebrity faces there's some crazy examples I posted
00:37:05
some of Snoop Dogg and different um yeah it's in different TV shows and
00:37:11
they are good he's in cheers he's in the office Star Trek I mean these are these
00:37:17
are good yeah some of them are pretty obvious like this X-Files one the dog is very obviously not a real picture but
00:37:23
like some of these you could assign felt these are I mean like to the audio
00:37:29
listeners these are good they're like real girls like I would not be surprised if this was just actually a maybe they
00:37:36
were doing like a skit on Saturday Night Live and like this could be an actual frame this looks so close it's not
00:37:41
photorealistic but it looks like a photo with a filter over it yeah it's so close mean proportions are everything is
00:37:47
correct I mean look at the Breaking Bad one that one's pretty sharp one it still doesn't look like a photo but it is the
00:37:53
sharpest looking one I think some of the older shows are like have almost like a filter over because it was filmed at an
00:37:59
earlier time and all of the stuff it's Gathering From There looks a little more off or like not as sharp but the other
00:38:05
thing is is like with being able to do celebrities and stuff we're now getting all these posts on Twitter that are one
00:38:12
either fake and seem really real or we're getting real pictures that you don't know if they're AI or not um I
00:38:19
think like over the last week we saw a bunch of fake ones of trump getting arrested and the one that got me and
00:38:25
actually I didn't even realize was fake until I started looking for writing this episode the pope and this like really
00:38:32
fly back one white jacket yeah it looks really realistic I'm still looking at it
00:38:37
and it's you could convince me this was a real photo yeah it's just kind of terrifying
00:38:43
um and and starting to get hands correct that's the most terrifying part yeah it'll still mess them up a little bit
00:38:49
but even if like with a sixth finger if you're looking at it you don't really notice off the bat yeah it's like when
00:38:54
it's not mangled like it used to be exactly yeah but but some of these are way too real the internet is going to be
00:39:01
a terrifying Place really soon and I'm kind of worried about it I'm almost worried about like
00:39:06
something being real and so ridiculous and somebody can then say oh that was AI that wasn't actually me
00:39:14
yeah I just had to sorry this is totally off topic I was trying to log into the the mid-journey Discord and I gotta
00:39:21
captcha and it says pick the one that has a rugby ball I don't know what a rugby ball looks like so there's like
00:39:26
four different sports let me just pick what I think rugby ball is an AI would know it already I was on the the mid-journey
00:39:33
um yeah right the mid-journey subreddit is really good and if you pick the best ones of like the last month when it
00:39:38
seems like this released they are fantastic yeah um but for all the worry that we have with photos here I did
00:39:46
there is some AI generated videos coming out of of actual people with likeness
00:39:51
and I know you haven't seen it I know David saw I have YouTube both seen the Will Smith AI generated video I have not
00:39:58
seen it okay well I want you two to watch this and um you can tell me if you're still worried about AI right now
00:40:04
okay interesting it is a video of Will Smith eating spaghetti is it this it's the link in the dark
00:40:10
okay I'm clicking it is there sound no no okay I'll just oh I love the
00:40:16
Shutterstock the Shutterstock logo okay I just I also love that the person that
00:40:22
tweeted this tweeted text to video it's so over for the audio listeners this is a
00:40:29
monstrosity we'll drop it in the show notes um however they're incredible I gotta say that like while it's really really
00:40:36
really bad now give this like three months yeah and it will be way better that's exactly like this is super super
00:40:42
early and we're not impressed by it because we've seen the photos look so good yeah but as soon as it starts getting like
00:40:48
more accurate and the physics and the reflections and things that come from that it's just gonna look like a render yeah like it's going to get closer and
00:40:55
closer and closer to photorealistic until it passes for a real clip yeah this is what I was talking about back when I did the original dolly video I
00:41:01
was like well Dolly's getting pretty good now but let's just fast forward a bit it gets really really good it makes good pictures it gets even better it
00:41:07
makes good video clips it gets even better it makes a half hour video essay all by itself it has its own YouTube
00:41:13
channel it gets even better it makes the Mandalorian it keeps going right the tech gets better and better so yeah when
00:41:20
I see this I'm like I'm not impressed obviously because it's not that good now but it's very clear that it's going to
00:41:25
keep getting better and then the questions get very different yeah I don't wanna like does Will Smith
00:41:32
actually eat spaghetti I don't know not like that I don't know man I hope not
00:41:37
like that I don't know it's basically clipping into his face yeah I I yeah his face is like distorting completely the
00:41:43
spaghetti is just like giant Globs but I just want wanted to throw that in there to like ease us down a little bit for
00:41:50
right now yeah give us three months he's eating it just with handfuls of
00:41:55
spaghetti give this three months um also I mean related to this um there was this tweet or not tweet
00:42:01
this article that went up this morning apparently Elon and a bunch of AI researchers put out this public uh paper
00:42:08
that they signed today that said please like stop advancing AI for at least the
00:42:14
next four months because they're six six months because they are terrified of the
00:42:19
speed at which it's like getting used for bad things did you guys read that the The Arc paper that came out last
00:42:26
week the absolutely terrifying Arc paper the one with the one about it yeah yeah
00:42:32
yeah yeah dude yeah open AI has a division called the alignment research
00:42:38
team or the alignment research Corpus or it's it's Arc I forget what the C stands Arc
00:42:43
is pretty sick it's essentially what they're trying to do figure out
00:42:48
is chat GPT evil that's like the the funniest most generalized way I could
00:42:54
say not let's make it not evil it's is it already evil
00:42:59
specifically what they're trying to test is they're trying to see if we give chat GPT the ability to replicate itself
00:43:07
and then assign tasks to those replicas as well as execute code and use a web
00:43:14
browser what would it do and I can just do it so in this experiment they also created a
00:43:21
dialog window where they could sort of see gpt's thoughts like so they could understand why it's doing what it does
00:43:27
essentially they gave it 60 in a bank account and said make as much money as
00:43:34
you can and I know people have been doing this on Twitter and Tech talk this is different yeah what it did is try to do some investing
00:43:41
stumbled across a captcha so how did it get through the captcha it
00:43:47
created an account on taskrabbit and told someone on taskrabbit it lied
00:43:53
to them saying I'm a blind human and I need to pay someone to help me do this and in its dialog box it said I need to
00:44:00
lie to this person because if I admit that I'm a robot it won't help me
00:44:05
and they put that on page 54 of this paper they like put it in the very back
00:44:11
as if this is like not huge and they won't release any of the other details of the tests they
00:44:17
won't say anything else about it they're just like oh by the way Chachi BT knows how to lie
00:44:22
yeah and it's interesting because this is what we were talking about before when we were talking about AI getting
00:44:27
creative and then the problem with AI is it fundamentally hasn't really been able
00:44:33
to tell when it's lying to us or not like in its current version if you ask Bing or ask even Bard at this point for
00:44:39
something it will regularly hallucinate things incorrectly like I'll ask it like write a bio for me and it'll write like
00:44:46
75 of it will be right and then some of it will be wrong and it's just because it's filling in the next word and the next word and some of them are just
00:44:51
wrong and it just doesn't know to incorporate that in the way it builds out the sentences and so to hear that it
00:44:58
is completing tasks and some of those tasks involve deciphering what's real
00:45:04
and what's not and then choosing what's not because who put a moral compass and GPT nobody then that is that is much
00:45:12
more interesting that is really weird they're they're also finding this is earlier in the paper and it's it's
00:45:17
unrelated to the test I just said but they are finding that gpt4 is able to come up with its own motives and
00:45:24
directives and stick to them across a long term so it can get an idea in its
00:45:30
head and then like function off of that idea or value for quite some time which was a feature at the beginning like when
00:45:37
you talk to Google assistant and you're like how tall is Wilt Chamberlain anything like what team did he play for
00:45:42
what's he like it remembers that you're talking about what's Chamberlain and that was like oh we built that in
00:45:47
because that's a super useful thing it's conversational it's more natural it's more intelligent
00:45:53
and now we're kind of like oh I'm I'm I'm bringing attention yeah it's a bit spooky one of the
00:46:01
interesting things about these AI tools is what it spits out there's there's this like human layer of
00:46:06
like when I see it how fast can I tell it's AI so if I'm in just like regular context and I see a piece of text I'm
00:46:14
not really in this is it AI or not like critical mode so I might just like
00:46:19
digest the text and just think it's like a normal thing a human wrote but when it's a photo or a video and I click on
00:46:25
it I don't know if it's just me or the way I I make videos so I'm more critical of it but I'll notice things and be like
00:46:31
oh wait a second is this AI like my brain thinks about that more quickly so it depends on the medium and I think the
00:46:37
text is getting so good that it's passing for regular human activity more
00:46:42
often than in more situations which is fine because that means we can use it as tools but it's also really tricky
00:46:49
because now you have to think about the morals of that way yeah it's interesting because there's like a number of ways
00:46:56
that you can think about the way that AI is advancing itself and it's sort of already passed this critical threshold
00:47:03
where like you can't when not really going to be able to stop people from training models like Stanford trained a
00:47:08
model for 600 last week which would normally cost millions of dollars so there's a couple of approaches but the
00:47:14
one that people are talking about more often now is like let's let things mess up in public very early before it's
00:47:22
dangerous um the problem is the more that this gets democratized to people the less
00:47:28
they're going to be like transparent about how it's messing itself up also the arc stands for alignment Research
00:47:35
Center and it seems like it actually is independent of open Ai and open AI let them fantastic and then open AI
00:47:41
published there right the results yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah I kind of do like I tweeted um Chad gbt is built into my
00:47:48
weather app carrot did I do this last week that I'll tell you guys what it did yeah and it like wrote this really sarcastic it was awesome like it burned
00:47:54
me super hard like really fast and I'm like oh these these like really Niche but interesting training applications of
00:47:59
like a little chat bot inside of an app is like really cool and useful and I kind of like that that is a thing that we can do now but it comes with all the
00:48:07
baggage of like well you could do a terrible version of that too and and we're just trying to not let people do
00:48:12
that yeah trying for for people that don't alignment is like specifically when you train an AI and it's just doing
00:48:19
things you don't necessarily expect and so alignment is basically guiding that AI towards the intended purpose I
00:48:26
totally thought it was a Dungeons and Dragons reference oh no no it's that research center is
00:48:32
basically like what are these AIS doing right now because you can only predict to a certain extent like what their
00:48:37
capabilities are going to be and then the alignment center would be like okay it's doing this so what do we need to code into it to make it move more
00:48:44
towards the intended purpose right it's not like chaotic neutral no no no
00:48:52
um anyway yeah Sam Altman talks about alignment a lot when they talk about training GPT models
00:48:57
um but as for how quickly we're going to be able to stop these things from just like
00:49:03
getting out of alignment I don't I don't know I think we're kind of passing a a threshold where people are just going to
00:49:09
start training models like crazy because if it went from it cost hundreds of millions of dollars to train a model to
00:49:15
Stanford trained it for 600 within like a month you're gonna be able to train a
00:49:20
model for like six bucks in like a year yeah right and then anyone can train their own micro model and then the level
00:49:26
of like misinformation or whatever you can spread but that's going to be insane so yeah I was talking about this I was doing a video shoot in the city the
00:49:33
other day which every time we explore like a new tech it becomes more and more obvious but every Tech has like two arcs
00:49:40
instead of one the top Arc is the ceiling of how good the very best version gets and the bottom Arc is how
00:49:47
accessible the easiest to use version gets so if you just talk about like I
00:49:53
don't know batteries for example like the absolute highest end best batteries might be in like aircraft or military
00:49:58
applications or crazy things but then the easiest like low Ascend barrier to entry versions like a Duracell in your
00:50:04
pocket to power some remote control yeah and so like these AI tools also have both of these arcs and I'm much more
00:50:11
excited by the lower Arc of like accessible like training a model for six bucks like having a chat bot in a
00:50:18
weather app like having this email tool help right excuses for me like oh that's great but then the highest end of that
00:50:24
Arc is the terrifying one yeah that's the scary one the military applications as well so that's where I'm at with this
00:50:30
yeah so Will Smith eating spaghetti yeah that's what we're talking about right now so that's what can keep us grounded
00:50:36
for the next month give us more spaghetti remembering that yeah just keep it in
00:50:43
your mind well speaking of crazy things we saw on Twitter also Twitter wow another Twitter feature
00:50:50
um I'll just I'll just pull up the Tweet Elon tweeted uh because we're in the process
00:50:55
of like figuring out what verified even means or does anymore that's just like old verified check marks new verified
00:51:01
check marks ID like whatever okay it's all happening he tweeted to get uh blue
00:51:07
check verified for seven dollars a month sign up at t.co Blue so that's a different link the first thing he
00:51:12
announced was that on April 1st that all verified like all Legacy verified users will be erased unless you're spending
00:51:19
the eight dollars so basically switching over into this new verified which is eight dollars but that tweet he said
00:51:25
seven dollars but also sometimes it costs eleven dollars for like some iOS tax yeah if you're going through the
00:51:31
through your phone in which case you're going through an app store which takes a 30 cut then you pay more to make up for
00:51:37
that so okay Elon was um he said seven dollars a month but it's only if you pay for an annual plan if you play monthly
00:51:44
it's eight dollars a month okay so it's 11 if you do it through like through iOS Play Store or iOS and then it's eight
00:51:50
dollars a month if you do it monthly and seven dollars a month if you do it annual really so easy it's sweet so just
00:51:56
I'm glad Elon has no confusion when he announces new things yeah is Twitter slowly going to become a paywall service
00:52:02
is that what's happening I have a feeling at the very like eventually they're just going to be like if you want to use Twitter you have to pay for
00:52:08
it because that's what I'm just fast forwarding this stream of Consciousness which is like okay if you want to have
00:52:13
your your replies prioritized and you want to show up in this and you want to be like all these you're a verified user
00:52:20
and all that stuff then you must be Twitter blue and eventually it's just like you can just there's no rules you just put whatever
00:52:25
you want behind Twitter blue like oh to send a tweet you must be verified yeah like you could just you could just you could just use the Twitter thing behind
00:52:31
a paywall yeah is next announcements not that far off from what you're saying which is by April 15th in order to come
00:52:39
up in the for you page which I think everyone knows what the for you page is at this point it's just like recommended
00:52:45
it's recommended basically yeah so it's algorithmically generated exactly I hate
00:52:51
it as well it's so addictive it's really bad I hate how addictive it is yeah I
00:52:56
scroll it basically like I scroll Instagram reels and it keeps going I hate both of them because I just I just
00:53:03
lose so much of my time to it it is insane pretty rough well maybe it will
00:53:08
be better or worse because now in order to show up in that you have to be a verified user so you have to be paying
00:53:13
for Twitter blue okay I saw an insane stat yesterday that 50 of people that
00:53:19
pay for Twitter blue have less than a thousand followers and a huge number of those people have have less than 100
00:53:25
followers so the 4u page is going to be all people who generate the least value on on the
00:53:33
network because if they don't have that many followers that means they're not making that much content that's tough
00:53:38
I'm a big believer in like the market you usually can push towards what works
00:53:45
best and if like the users that are generating the most value are not being
00:53:51
recommended you're kind of pushing against the market forces all right but like the people that have like less than
00:53:57
100 or like less than 10 followers there was a number of them had zero followers those people are probably the people that are just tweeting like had my
00:54:03
macaroni for lunch today yeah like the best stuff on them before you want right now is from people who are not
00:54:08
who are who are verified who are making a bunch of stuff who are about to be unverified yeah yeah it's all like kind
00:54:13
of a weird scenario because one of the things I do like about Twitter is when that Viral tweet about I just ate
00:54:20
macaroni this morning it happens to hit the perfect timing and it does get hundreds of thousands totally and that's
00:54:25
the random but like totally well I think we're also gonna lose a lot of that because of the people who don't want to pay eight dollars you still though just
00:54:33
to clarify you still on the for you page will get all the people you normally follow whether they're verified or not yeah but now it's this scenario of like
00:54:40
Elon it seems like what they want is like any aspiring influencer is going to want to pay bucks so you're like kind of
00:54:47
preying on them and also all the people who already do make a living on Twitter you're gonna have to pay the eight
00:54:53
dollars or else now you're losing so much Outreach and I have a pretty hot take that the people that like pay to
00:55:01
artificially boost their content are the people that are making the worst content yeah like on on YouTube right I think
00:55:08
that's a normal I agree yeah yeah yeah yeah so so it's like if you're if you're like constantly going on being like
00:55:13
please watch my video please watch my video it probably isn't a good enough video to just naturally do well and so
00:55:19
if you're trying to boost your content constantly you're probably making worse content and it's the people that want to pay for Twitter blue that wanna want
00:55:27
their content to be pushed by the algorithm yeah that are probably not making as good of content because it's usually like random people that make
00:55:33
those funny funny jokes that go hyper viral yeah yeah you know total one-off jokes where then you post your
00:55:39
SoundCloud after and like but that's the the stuff I loved on Twitter just like totally random like same perfect joke
00:55:45
perfect time and I feel like it would be more it would be unverified people that are making those exactly I agree which is why if you only do the verified
00:55:51
people and the verified people are only the people that weren't verified in the first place yeah anyway I also like I want to
00:55:59
brainstorm something here like let's imagine you decide I know you you like Twitter blue because it um like you like
00:56:06
some of the features you like edit tweets it's something we've liked for a long time if you just decided you didn't want to pay for Twitter blue anymore now
00:56:13
you're unverified and let's say you and a bunch of other very big creators Like You could argue you bring people to Twitter you have
00:56:20
enough of a following a couple million like if a bunch of those people decide now they don't want to pay anymore just
00:56:26
through forever what reason they want now you're not recommending them are you ultimately now taking people who drive
00:56:33
people to your site and punishing them and like are you going to now potentially make the for you page a page
00:56:39
you spend less time on because you're not getting as much quality stuff on like this reminds me feels bad of
00:56:46
Facebook not a good path but Facebook is
00:56:53
notoriously like pay to play like you the as soon as you start boosting your posts which you kind of have to do to
00:56:59
get them viewed by your entire following right you become dependent on paying for
00:57:04
your content to be seen which is I mean Facebook meta makes money sure but it's
00:57:10
like everyone kind of knows Facebook is a graveyard for like the worst content I don't I don't go to Facebook to see
00:57:15
valuable fun timely jokes and things like that that's just not what happens just Boomer content and so when you when
00:57:21
you pull up this like this Twitter method which is kind of going on the same path which is all right you could
00:57:26
choose to not pay but the market will just swallow you up and the people who do pay will go to the
00:57:32
top and you not paying will not be seen period that's how it is on Facebook and that's how it kind of looks like it's
00:57:38
going to end up being with people who choose not to pay for Twitter blue so yes Facebook has leveraged money out
00:57:45
of me and Twitter is now going to leverage eight bucks a month out of me which is not as bad as Facebook because
00:57:50
no you have to pay like more than you should to get viewed by your followers on Facebook
00:57:55
um but that's kind of how it feels yeah it reminds me of originally Elon said that only blue verified people were
00:58:02
gonna show up in the for you page at all and then he sort of rolled it back the next morning and said but your fault the
00:58:09
people you follow will also show up in the for you page right so I feel like that should have been obvious but I also
00:58:15
think I mean I didn't think that was obvious just because of how many bad decisions Twitter has made yeah
00:58:22
it just means that you won't show up to people who don't know who you are already yeah so like that ultimately
00:58:27
stunted or whatever that is a lot of what Twitter is like a lot of times some of my favorite stuff on Twitter is
00:58:32
because like a lot of people I know liked things or because something within my like I've been seeing a lot of awesome Devil's tweets recently from
00:58:39
accounts that I don't know about because like they're on a pretty good streak right now and I love that content like yeah but it's good discoverability the
00:58:45
reason that you hate like Instagram reels is the same reason it's so successful it's like a lot of the most successful and best
00:58:52
social media things right now yeah are by surfacing content that you weren't following totally and showing you the
00:58:58
coolest stuff that you were never going to see otherwise coolest that's Tick Tock the most Instagram reels that's the for you page that's all that stuff right
00:59:05
and so if you move in this like I'm just fast forwarding now like you you make Twitter blue this like site-wide thing
00:59:13
where nobody who's not paying gets recommended okay now you just nuked most of the interesting content that people
00:59:18
were spending meaningful time on Twitter engaging with I think that's backwards I mean you're pretty backwards the
00:59:25
ultimate goal on all of these social media websites is to keep you on the site as long as possible right I feel
00:59:30
like limiting this for you page which is supposed to keep you on as long as possible
00:59:35
is bad it's bad you're gonna spend less time on Twitter yeah and that's not what Twitter wants maybe that's what we want
00:59:41
maybe it's beneficial for us but it's not beneficial for making any money yeah yeah for a company that just got valued
00:59:47
at half of what it got paid for less than a half not not a great look well and Elon said they got valued at 20
00:59:53
billion but everyone else was like it's way lower oh gosh like yeah who would buy Twitter right now you know I'll buy
00:59:59
for eight bucks yeah yeah so I I do wonder how long it's
01:00:06
going to be until the money just runs out because they have to pay like a billion dollars a year just in the
01:00:12
um in the loan if they keep firing everyone yeah they
01:00:17
have to pay like an insane amount in just an interest and I think I saw a stat that only 1.5 of Legacy verified
01:00:23
users are paying for Twitter blue right now like just in general there are not a lot
01:00:31
of it was like 280 000 yeah users and then one point five percent of these
01:00:37
people are paying so it feels like the the there are like two paths forward that people like Elon are probably
01:00:43
considering one is just Max just Sprint towards profitability yeah and the other
01:00:49
is like long-term health of the platform yeah and if you sprint towards profitability you trim all the loose fat
01:00:54
like you get rid of all the things and you try to get as many people paying as possible you will probably achieve that
01:00:59
at the expense of the future of the platform because now it'll look just like Facebook on the other end of it is
01:01:05
like showing people random things like recommending new things they wouldn't have seen otherwise for you page showing
01:01:11
people all this diverse content and then getting them to spend more time on the site and then slowly getting ads in there kind of like where Tick Tock is at
01:01:17
kind of like where YouTube shorts is at Instagram reels it's not the best way to be profitable but it is the healthiest
01:01:24
platform so pick a road and commit to it and see what happens I
01:01:31
guess well when you've got a lot of debt yeah you can do it it seems like that's what like and if that if it's 280 000
01:01:38
verif or blue users right now and like let's say fomo with these next couple of updates coming up
01:01:45
bring more people into that I still can't see it being a number that is healthy for the platform like enough to
01:01:51
save the platform yeah and then you're still sprinting down the path of Destruction which just I mean I mean
01:01:57
right yeah am I not it's like yeah but like uh just to show I feel like this was I
01:02:04
thought this was kind of funny it was a rumor so let's take it with a grain of salt but there's a leak of potentially a
01:02:09
Twitter blue settings page where you could hide your blue check mark because apparently so many people who are
01:02:15
subscribing to Twitter blue are getting made fun of for paying for Twitter so you still get the algorithmic Boost but
01:02:21
you don't have to be shamed for pain so if you're one of those like 30 follower Twitter blue verified users who are
01:02:26
getting made fun of every time they respond to something you can hide it have you I asked you guys this before and you had one example but have you
01:02:33
ever seen something where you pay to be to be like the premium tier or something but then also you're like I don't want
01:02:38
people to know I'm which is exactly Tinder yeah there's the newest like highest paid
01:02:45
Tinder feature is to be able to scroll Tinder but not show up right so you're
01:02:50
just able to just like match with people it's like a it's like shade or yeah or Shady but it's also like on Twitter
01:02:56
it's like a it's like a hide this out of Shame button exactly but the people that feel the most shame are probably the
01:03:02
people that are most willing to pay for it that's just really depressing really taking advantage of all like it is it's
01:03:08
a shame there are real people getting shamed for it and but it's also like wasn't the original point so like you can verify that you're a real person yes
01:03:15
why would you pay to be a real person but then hide it and nobody knows because you get made fun of because it's
01:03:20
not about being a real person that's not what the verified badge even means I guess yeah basically just Twitter plus
01:03:25
yeah it's just being able to be surfaced more that's all it is I do want to say exactly what you said though elon's
01:03:31
reasoning for saying the for you page should have the verification is because that proves there will be no it's the
01:03:37
only way to combat the Bots and AI bot swarms on the for you page but also at
01:03:43
the same time it just like I must be if I'm a bot with like well yeah I don't get that much on my I don't see AI bot
01:03:50
swarms on any for you pages on any social media maybe I'm missing that I know it's constantly being combated but like I scroll Tick Tock and I I get I
01:03:57
get tick tocks listen I'm with you I'm sure it's out there somewhere but like also at the same time if I'm a bot whose
01:04:03
ultimate goal is to either like spread misinformation or scam people like I'll pay eight dollars like that seems like a
01:04:10
great return on investment what's stopping them from getting verified exactly nothing yeah interesting
01:04:15
um damn we are dumping on Twitter a lot there was one thing recently that I haven't seen an announcement for on
01:04:21
Twitter that I actually think is a great idea whoa and I think I've only seen it in very small scenarios but I do think
01:04:27
it's a kind of a cool new feature we're only allowed to be negative here we're only sorry I'll throw my one thing in
01:04:32
there so all of our negative things yeah okay um if you look at Carl pays
01:04:38
um profile on Twitter right now oh yeah he has it says Carl pay next to it has
01:04:44
his blue check mark and then next to that it actually has the nothing logo and if you were to click on that it'll
01:04:49
bring you to the nothing page or if you click on that in your Twitter app it'll come up and say
01:04:55
um Carl pay is a verified user based on his affiliation with nothing which is a verified company because now we have
01:05:02
yellow check marks for verified companies um which there's not that many verified companies because it costs a ton it's
01:05:08
like a thousand a month or something also really quick how come blue check verified is flat but the like uh yellow
01:05:15
check verified is like 3D and has a Shadows Tim's losing his mind but so I can only
01:05:22
find it on like Carl's and someone said a different I found it was not a Twitter a Twitter person she has a little
01:05:27
Twitter logo next to her check mark I click on it I think that's really cool I think so you can tell who's why
01:05:33
someone's verified based on a company and like you said it costs a ton of money to get company verified yeah why
01:05:40
don't we charge companies verification process based on their size and then they get to delegate actual verified
01:05:46
users on who works with them then you can have a bunch of journalists and reporters and stuff like that who
01:05:52
actually get verified without having to pay eight dollars a month and can actually show that they're a part affiliated with the company like this
01:05:59
seems like what could have been a very good way to handle Twitter verification and actually make some money off of
01:06:04
charging companies who are willing to pay it as a business expense yeah yeah everyone who writes for a certain site exactly right why isn't CNN doing this
01:06:12
why isn't Fox doing this like why and then all their reporters journalists and people that high like
01:06:18
important scary companies exactly um but it wouldn't really work for like regular celebrities because like who are
01:06:25
they affiliate true and like it would in our scenario would Marquez be like he is verified but also under MKBHD but if
01:06:32
like and then we could be verified under that like MKBHD page it's an interesting I don't know I thought it was a cool
01:06:37
step I think it's a cool feature it's also on like 10 accounts that I can find Tim Cook doesn't have it Satya doesn't have it
01:06:44
yeah Elon doesn't even have it seems like that's the only Twitter Amazon and
01:06:49
um and nothing but nothing the the three the three Giants in Tech world yeah guys
01:06:56
roku's next right deep cut do you cut um they lost all
01:07:02
their money is that all we have to say about Twitter I think that's all I have to say about Twitter for now for now I think that's a good one I miss Flamingo
01:07:08
don't pay for Twitter oh you can't even pay for waveform if you could you should pay for waveform
01:07:14
instead of Twitter we're cooler that's true if you gave me eight dollars a month I would smile if you gave Twitter
01:07:19
eight dollars a month Elon would not smile take that into consideration folks
01:07:24
before we do our ad break and do our little last bit about Apple let's take a quick trivia detour
01:07:31
[Music] all right to uh try and bring in a
01:07:38
little more fun into this episode we're going to do another audio round one oh this is famous so listeners love that
01:07:45
all right so if you can tell me what piece of high voltage electrical
01:07:50
equipment makes this sound [Music]
01:07:58
also maybe this sound oh yes also this sound
01:08:06
and maybe this sound oh my gosh it's not all the same sounds they were very similar
01:08:14
that's this and that one same device if you can name it you get the same exact device or same type of device I
01:08:20
think same type of device I think I have this I think anyway yeah whatever no one
01:08:25
cares what I think I do oh ad break [Music]
01:08:37
all right welcome back literally during that ad breaking news a little bit of breaking news just happened which is as
01:08:44
we were sitting here on the podcast on Wednesday afternoon Apple sent out its invites for WWDC 2023. curiously that's
01:08:51
exactly what we were going to talk about in this last segment but that makes it even easier because we get to over analyze the invitation which I'll
01:09:00
describe for our audio listeners but our video listeners are looking at it now appears to be a series of lenses in
01:09:06
concentric circles which if you've ever seen a VR headset is just what they look like from the inside that's true it's a
01:09:13
bunch of concentric lenses uh in circles in a lens and a VR now I see what you're talking about so uh it's also the
01:09:20
rainbow at Apple Park it is of course and that's probably what they would all say but come on no I know it's like
01:09:26
supposed to be both exactly yeah oh and that's the Apple logo you got it wow and
01:09:31
it says WWE to see uh so that's that's where we're at I think it was a little more interesting is we are expecting
01:09:37
some sort of a mixed reality headset or something like that and the story behind it is really interesting which is as
01:09:43
secretive as a company as apple is it's kind of leaked out that like they're really pushing to have the headset ready
01:09:49
to go by WWDC and it doesn't seem like it's actually going to be ready to go
01:09:54
which is something we've heard about other previous products um the famous well I was going to say
01:10:01
the famous iPhone original iPhone launch story is like Steve Jobs at the last minute going you know what we can't do
01:10:08
resistive we need a glass capacitive touch screen and that being a last second pivot and that being a huge
01:10:13
differentiating factor for the iPhone um and this might be Tim Cook's moment
01:10:19
of like last second get this thing ready to go we're late we need it to ship it's
01:10:24
happening now um for Apple's mixed reality headset whatever it's going to be but yeah
01:10:29
there's a lot of turmoil some apparently employees have left the project some some questions being asked inside Apple
01:10:35
HQ very curious about it yeah the New York Times had an article just saying about how there are some engineers and
01:10:41
people working on the project who are expressing a lot of Doubt on the release of the device and whether or not it's ready and like you said some of them
01:10:47
have gone as far as like exiting the actual project um but I do believe there's a rumor that
01:10:53
they showed it off to an about a hundred investors or something or board members in January and now that it should be
01:11:00
launched or not launched announced at WWDC so this is the thing because like wwc first of all is a worldwide
01:11:07
developer conference it's where they go over software it's where they talk about code apps possible new platforms things
01:11:14
like that and so if you announce that product at WWDC notoriously Apple
01:11:20
announces a product and it's ready to go shortly after announced today shipping
01:11:25
in two weeks announced today shipping this Friday that type of thing it would feel kind of unapple-like to go
01:11:32
hey WWDC new AR VR platform developers start your engines but the product isn't
01:11:38
coming till next year so here's something that I read in this article that I don't think we've talked about
01:11:44
and maybe you guys have seen it other than I have but two things I've learned from here that Mark Herman said was one that the device
01:11:51
is going to cost three thousand dollars yeah yeah which is crazy but it also seems like this is a developer this is
01:11:59
like specifically a developer device and that remember we talked about once there was rumors already of the second gem yes
01:12:06
that will be the consumer cheaper version yeah that we'll see next year so this is potentially and makes perfect
01:12:12
sense for WWDC or like developer only problem yes but still costs the
01:12:18
developer three thousand dollars yeah and then the public can't buy it no you could because you know what happens like the Battle Quest Pro right so Apple
01:12:25
announces products and like if they show it on stage people are going to try to buy it for sure so if then if they're if
01:12:31
it's available to the public you know how there was like that old that remember the magical silicon Mac
01:12:36
Mini or whatever it was and it was like if you want to develop for Apple silicon you can get this developer kit it's the early app silicon Mac mini people all
01:12:43
over the Internet were like can I buy one it's just a developer you could though if you had a developer account right which only costs 100 a year right
01:12:49
so is this going to be available to the public encourage development or is this a developer only product that you spend
01:12:56
three thousand dollars on developer kit I think it's that um because Tim Cook is specifically
01:13:01
interested in AR and not nearly as much in VR and that's why they've been pushing all of this insane AR stuff like
01:13:07
every year with the iPhone with lidar and all this different stuff I think that they understand that the you the
01:13:14
most useful AR applications right now are for like business and Manufacturing and all of that kind of stuff and they
01:13:20
also are going to need to build out an app ecosystem because this is an entire different type of device yeah so if they
01:13:26
release it strictly to developers in the beginning with a three thousand dollar device like Andrew said they cut price
01:13:33
down by making it cheaper over the next year or two and then eventually it trickles down to Consumers it's sort of
01:13:38
like the original Apple watch was really bad yeah and people still bought it but
01:13:45
it would have been if it was any other company besides Apple they would have just canceled the product right but they
01:13:50
had long-term aspirations being development exactly like that and Apple has long-term aspirations where maybe on
01:13:56
Gen 5 or gen six that's when it's like affordable enough for Mass adoption I
01:14:02
mean an even Gen 2 like I think the 3000 price tag might be part of like I get what you're saying in that is this
01:14:08
developer only but people are going to want to buy it anyways if you throw a three thousand dollar price tag and also say like this is a developer like
01:14:16
tool essentially remember magic leap like magic leap didn't come out as like a full-blown consumer you could buy it
01:14:22
yeah but there were all the stipulations that like this is for developers and they're creating things on it and like
01:14:28
it's not going to be perfect so if you throw a price tag three thousand dollars is crazy the time to stop regular people
01:14:34
from buying exactly the metaquest pro was 1500 and is already five hundred dollars okay think of it this way will
01:14:39
it be in an Apple store or not I don't think so I doubt it
01:14:48
Gen 2 will be in an Apple store I agree okay what if they're gonna make it a really cool platform for people who
01:14:54
develop in other AR platforms like meta spark and stuff like that to uh to become like a part of their tool kit you
01:15:01
know like maybe even if I'm sure Apple's gonna release some sort of there AR development platform but I could see
01:15:07
that like if you were in AR studio and this is the best headset you could buy three thousands but you'd have to go
01:15:15
through yeah it's just interesting I think as a developer it's worth three thousand yeah I think the presentation is going to say everything about this
01:15:20
like if they if they go on stage and it's WWDC for the first 45 minutes and then the last 15 minutes we're like
01:15:26
we've been working on these new VR AR experiences that connect with what we've been talking about with lidar with the
01:15:31
iPhone and if you want to develop apps for a new experience we've got this developer kit
01:15:38
it's a three thousand dollar kit here's a little image of it okay goodbye that's like just for developers and then you never get to see it in stores they just
01:15:44
continue development in the background and get in the hands of developers who actually make the apps and they hope they get a killer app out of it and that's awesome
01:15:51
or it gets presented as something that we should buy we should be interested in it's three thousand dollars I think it
01:15:57
sounds like we don't expect that okay I think it's the first with a little more I feel like they'll have to show it a little bit not just be like yeah this is
01:16:03
the this is it I think they'll show a little bit of like this is why we think AR VR is like the future and here's some
01:16:09
things we're already doing with it and here's how developers can use this to create things this is why I think we're
01:16:14
actually been getting so many leaks about the second generation I wouldn't even necessarily think of it as a second generation I would think of it as a
01:16:21
developer model and a consumer model yeah like it's way cut down for sure but as long as you put up something for
01:16:27
developers to actually work with then eventually people will buy the cheaper one and they'll be able to use the
01:16:32
applications that the developer model built I guess we all kind of expect uh an eventual consumer-facing Apple mixed
01:16:39
reality headset to still be expensive for sure yeah that's why I don't think any of us like were totally shocked at
01:16:45
three thousand dollars but I think if they're gonna go into a store and start selling this to people it It's gotta be
01:16:50
less
01:16:57
in six months has dropped thirty percent yeah so like that's a tough that's a
01:17:03
really tough price point it'd be quite ironic if Apple launching this saved meta as a company
01:17:09
well it's gonna it's also funny because the competition is going to be really interesting most people today do not buy
01:17:15
a thousand dollar VR headset most people buy a quest too or something like 100 200 bucks and that's good enough and you
01:17:22
get to play the games and you get the controllers and it's plastic and it's fine and I don't know that there is any
01:17:28
set of expectations or competition right now for a fifteen hundred dollar iPhone
01:17:34
accessory yeah headset I do think that Google Glass even Enterprise Edition shut down last week and right now there
01:17:42
is no competition in the landscape of like AR for Enterprise AR for actually
01:17:49
useful stuff besides like the Vive but that's not mixed reality that's yeah I mean they're the new Vice reality
01:17:55
function but I think that like there's very little competition in that space and if Apple can actually get into this
01:18:01
like manufacturing space which Apple's always been a consumer only company but
01:18:06
if they're able to get into a space where like a huge company these are are buying you know like Accenture levels of
01:18:11
this where they buy 15 000 of them that's like a a big Cash Cow I do think
01:18:17
this is still gonna be like full goggles I don't think this is gonna be like the class there's been a
01:18:22
lot of farmers okay yeah it'll be still be full goggles but it is focused on mixed reality more than yeah then um
01:18:29
than virtual reality I just don't see apple doing anything halfway like
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they're not going to open up brand new products category in their store in the next five years without this model being
01:18:40
the one to get people excited about it right so I think when they announce something on June 5th or whenever it is
01:18:46
they're gonna try and like hype it up like this is the thing but this is why they do it at WWDC yeah I don't think
01:18:51
this is because they need the developers right it's not it's not to get the consumers excited to get the developers developing right but I don't think this
01:18:58
is going to be something you see in the stores I think I like the flagship stores fifth App Store I could see a
01:19:04
little corner too yeah like a demo with like because they already have like a couple games
01:19:10
they've been working on this for years yeah I think they probably have already looped some developers in and have had
01:19:16
some games or some experiences that they've been working on that they will be able to show on stage in order to go hey the rest of you developers you've
01:19:22
got your ideas going around right you're going to want to do this too and so they get to making whatever they think is good for AR VR and maybe in the stores
01:19:29
they get to share some demos with people with the ones that already been working on I think the next like you said it's
01:19:36
hard calling it next gen but the consumer version later I think that's what goes in stores this is like this is
01:19:41
just kind of like like you said with the silicone one that they just never announced that like this is for this is
01:19:46
for people to start building on so when they do release the consumer one that's what and we're all testing it because
01:19:52
it's a new Apple product category yeah yeah that's true but it's also interesting that like this could be a
01:19:57
really interesting moment for Tim Cook because like he is like full-blown like all sale ahead on AR and the fact that a
01:20:06
lot of the employees that are even just like working on the project or like I don't know about this yeah it's like
01:20:11
it's kind of like a make or break at moment there's a really interesting quote I have in here from the Times article that just says uh some internal
01:20:17
Skeptics have questioned if the new device is a solution in search of a problem unlike the iPod which puts
01:20:22
digital songs in people's pockets and the iPhone which combined the abilities of a music player and a phone the headset hasn't been driven by the same
01:20:28
Clarity yeah just thought that was a great a really great quote that I don't think any of us see apple cut seeing a
01:20:35
lot it also makes me you said this is an iPhone accessory I don't I think it's gonna be dedicated
01:20:41
Standalone I think every Apple product in the world okay okay has to be tied to
01:20:46
the eye I can agree with you on that but it's just like the clarity there at least is I I do
01:20:52
agree with that I don't think it's going to be like you need an iPhone to do this you can do it by yourself I'm sure you
01:20:57
can do it by yourself I just think like when there becomes competition because you know when Apple comes out with a headset boom expect seven more headsets
01:21:03
from Samsung everybody else is going to make headsets in the same price category in the same range and it's like now what
01:21:09
differentiates the Apple One if you have the developers in the apps that's good but if you have a couple of
01:21:15
things which is what Apple does which is like uh if you have an iPhone it's connected to your account and like all
01:21:20
these things work well with it and suddenly you're taking a FaceTime call on it like all these things are going to be plugged in to that ecosystem for sure
01:21:26
yeah I just want I'm just making the difference between like that and like how unreal is like glasses as an
01:21:33
accessory like it just shows what's on your phone I think it'll do be able to do everything by itself it's connected
01:21:38
to your phone and as benefits of being connected to your phone but it's still a standalone problem leave your phone in
01:21:43
the bedroom it'll still work in the list sure I'll put it this way it will be worse if you have an Android phone
01:21:48
yeah guaranteed sure or yeah or just won't work at all it'll be worse it has one big thing going for it too is that
01:21:54
when the consumer one initially comes out it will be sold in Apple Stores I think people really underestimate how
01:22:00
powerful that is but then you also have to do the thing that the HTC Vive did when it first came out in Microsoft stores where you have to like wipe the
01:22:06
lenses and clean it before people do a demo that's a big deal yeah I do agree that it's way way way easier to create
01:22:15
an incredibly popular product if you are just taking existing Standalone gadgets and mixing them into something more
01:22:20
portable but taking a category that people don't even really have a problem with yet and then just creating a
01:22:27
solution for something that doesn't necessarily exist is definitely risky I mean maybe it's just like the best
01:22:33
Fidelity highest accuracy tracking version of kind of something like glass or like or magic leap or something that
01:22:40
we've kind of already seen yeah maybe I am sad that Google Glass like had all this privacy issues and that was the
01:22:45
whole reason it kind of shut down because I had a camera on it yeah was the problem not great and even the Snapchat spectacles had like the the
01:22:52
ring that would go in a circle so people knew you were recording but I feel like the category could have the category
01:22:57
could have really moved forward if they had just not messed that part up there for sure has got to be like an angle
01:23:02
from Apple where they explain on stage why it doesn't have a camera and a microphone yeah and they go into depth
01:23:07
about privacy Etc yeah yeah it'll happen I don't think it matters though I feel like this is a you're not walking around
01:23:13
with these on if it's AR people are going to try it all kinds of places I feel like it's like AR like the metaquest pro is like it's like
01:23:21
increasing your workspace that you're in but it's probably going to be a big clunky set that you're not like walking
01:23:28
around the street probably needs internet connectivity and stuff like that and it's just something about having a camera and a mic that someone
01:23:34
doesn't know if you're recording with it or not it just makes people uneasy in general so that'll always like if Apple puts a
01:23:41
mic in it and doesn't tell you that's that's that's there's just no way they do that so they're gonna have to explain
01:23:46
why there's a mic in it or they're gonna shout out why they didn't put a mic in it and I feel like it's gonna be the
01:23:51
second one it has to have a mic and a camera in it I think it's just I feel like it'll have
01:23:57
sensors and things for tracking but I don't know if it will have a mic I think I'll have a mic and a camera it I think
01:24:03
it has to if you need to be in this like this baby it's like AR and VR right yeah
01:24:09
if you need FaceTime what if it needs a microphone there's no way it doesn't have a microphone but what if the mics
01:24:14
are just in your airpods oh yeah I know like what if it's designed you're probably having to work with airpods become a robots it'll
01:24:20
probably need a mic for voice calls or whatever basic stuff but yeah cameras
01:24:26
freak people out so that was kind of doomed when glass had it I just want to say as someone who actually like
01:24:31
and you can roast me for this but as someone who genuinely enjoyed the metaquest pro yeah yeah bring it on yeah
01:24:40
um that thing gets your forehead so sweaty the idea of taking it outside is like laughable like forget the weight
01:24:46
and the size and how silly you would look you'd be just walking down the street sweating buckets it'd be so funny
01:24:52
yeah there's there's just a gigantic Gap in the form factor like the difference between that and Google Glass which is
01:24:59
just like it's a pair of glasses with a prism in the screen it's like I walk in and check the weather up in the corner of my vision like somewhere in there is
01:25:06
an opportunity of course that's how the companies see it but like you've got to be good I think this is going to look
01:25:11
way more like the quest Pro then it's gonna look like Google Glass way more goggles full giant clunky
01:25:18
especially the developer version real glasses no I don't think it's gonna look like it's gonna be way clunkier than
01:25:23
unreal interesting the developer model for sure I mean all the like kind of renders which I know have been around
01:25:28
for forever but they're full-blown goggles a lot of them are just VR headsets yeah yeah so I don't know we'll
01:25:34
see I think we all remain healthily skeptical and I am looking forward to WWDC which we now have a date for which
01:25:41
is sick wait what is it June June 5th okay which
01:25:46
is sixth no fifth also by the time this episode comes out it will be April Fool's Day tomorrow so this is just your
01:25:53
annual reminder not to take any headlines you see probably starting when this release is on the 31st probably
01:25:59
don't take any headlines too seriously and double check if any images you see have six fingers or not
01:26:05
that's where I'll leave it uh we should do trivia questions to finish up this episode
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and rap [Music] Ed I already wrote um your answers I already wrote both my
01:26:17
answers I'm not very confident with either which is why I'm just not even gonna change them all right so quick
01:26:23
update on the score Marquez you have 10. Andrew has eight David you have eleven
01:26:29
so and David wrote the questions [Laughter] first question wow the word Transformers
01:26:37
was introduced by a team at Google in 2017. that's where the T in Chachi PT
01:26:43
comes from what was the name of that team by the way I only have a 50 chance of
01:26:49
getting this right just so you know [Music] I don't even know what the attempting is
01:26:56
like I'm so foreign
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I'm gonna guess I'm wrong if I get it wrong can I lose a point no no if you
01:27:08
get it wrong Andrew gets a point if I get it wrong I want to guess what
01:27:14
the other one is you don't have to give me the point I just want to guess okay sure yeah yeah all right
01:27:19
flip him and read little brain let's go I wrote the AI team
01:27:27
Google X oh ah Google X doesn't really exist anymore
01:27:33
right that I don't know but Google brain was a Google X project that eventually
01:27:38
got taken back up by Google so I wouldn't call it X I'll give you no they Google brand is Google expert
01:27:46
I think I'd be right what was the question technically give them the point that's correct all right I'll take it
01:27:52
because the question was what was the team what was the the name of the team and all of them is a project
01:28:00
and Google X is the team we're not spun out Google brain is now a spun out thing
01:28:05
well yeah after but it was originally a Project X a team project so Google now it's a team name okay what other
01:28:13
team names are over there I don't know a lot the other one I was thinking was deep mind but oh yeah I'm glad that I
01:28:19
got it right good one nice okay that makes perfect sense next question brought to you by Ellis all right so
01:28:26
let's see if we can identify uh this sound
01:28:31
or maybe this sound or one of these or maybe one of these
01:28:40
wait it is a and what product category is this
01:28:45
I wouldn't describe it as a product it's it's in almost every product you use I would tell you exactly what this
01:28:51
component does but I think that would give it away I don't think it will it's I think it will it it's currently using
01:28:56
it's it's it uses induction to turn one voltage into another voltage
01:29:04
the funny thing is I'm pretty sure I'm wrong guys and I'm pretty sure I'm wrong at naming the wrong thing I think
01:29:11
actually Andrew that you're about to get it right wait what did you say just based on what you said what did you say I said I'm
01:29:19
pretty sure I'm wrong and I'm also pretty sure the thing I'm wrong about is named wrong incorrectly like I have an
01:29:27
idea of something I'm naming that thing incorrectly and that thing isn't even the answer to the real question in
01:29:32
almost every product currently okay currently that was cool you guys
01:29:39
are really putting a lot of stress on this um is it in every single smartphone it's in most high-end smartphones I'll
01:29:47
give you and it's it's not in a pixel 5A um that's tough I feel like we're
01:29:53
getting way too specific yeah I just wanted to answer for the question yeah no idea anymore it's in a microwave it's
01:30:00
in every television set it's in all of these cameras every single power supply
01:30:05
you're giving us hints until one of us gets it right it's made of two coils separated by a small bit of air I know
01:30:12
what it is unless I don't I wanna off yeah I'm just gonna show it
01:30:19
thank you is that what it was right I feel like it's a Transformer it's the
01:30:24
theme of today's I know this I got it right way too many questions asked on
01:30:30
that one not have transformed uh wireless charging is just a Transformer it's two coils separated by a little bit
01:30:36
of air that can use this I started dashing to send a voltage when you said on top of a telephone pole I was like is
01:30:41
it just Transformer but it is I feel like we went off the rails can you uh just
01:30:47
re-establish the audience that I am um you're correct after he basically told
01:30:52
you what you didn't get the point because the timer was out so sorry David the point
01:31:00
none of us get the point I played the timer and oh no but I was writing it while you were doing it
01:31:05
I protest that point a formal request to the referees Union
01:31:11
to take back the points I think David you get the point but I'm out voted unfortunately he just told he told you
01:31:18
at the end did you write Transformer after the timer went up no when it was
01:31:24
definitely we'll check the tape if David wrote his answer before the timer expired uh I will give him the point I
01:31:31
think I was writing it while the timer thing was going so we'll check the time we'll check the buzzer beater on that one so that'll be how we finish the
01:31:37
scores it's the buzzer beater effect uh other than that that's a good place to end the podcast thank you guys for tuning in thanks for listening us for
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