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[Music] all right welcome back people of the
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internet to another episode of the waveform podcast we're your hosts i'm marquez and i'm andrew and it's apple
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event week that's that's the biggest thing that happened this week this was the first live event from really any
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major company so far this year and it's apple's first event we knew it was coming it's the spring event we knew a
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bunch of the stuff that we are going to get and we got some other surprises because i actually sort of successfully
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kept myself out of the rumors this time and there's a bunch of new stuff yeah most of the rumors i saw were like a day
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or two before so it like kind of felt like there were actually there was some wonder in this event
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i tweeted earlier like i missed the days where we had an event coming up and we had no idea what was going to be announced that was a long time ago but
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here we are we can get the boring stuff out of the way first i think there's a lot of smaller things a lot of little refreshes and updates and i think we
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want to talk a little more at length about the studio stuff for sure because that's that's up our alley but off the top what
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do we get we got a we got a nice tim cook intro good morning and welcome back to apple park
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we got apple tv to start apple tv off the start i think like they started off with just kind of like uh almost like a
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film reel of all their new shows and stuff that are coming out and or rev uh new seasons of shows they have
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already and the first thing i just thought was they are dumping a lot of money they're super serious if you watch
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any apple tv shows i don't either i do really i need to watch um ted lasso that's someone i keep hearing
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everybody likes i've heard there's some other really good ones but i just haven't i don't have apple tv but like
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you could see by there was like tom hanks tom holland they had a ton a ton of huge names
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denzel washington so they're they're clearly making the push in the streaming game we all know
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everyone's trying to make a streaming platform right now uh they're trying to get up there with like netflix and peacock uh but one thing i did think
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that was interesting that i have a little more of an opinion on is they're doing these mlb
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fridays i think it's baseball friday night baseball it's called yep they'll be playing two mlb
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games i'm assuming it's every friday um two kind of interesting things about
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this one baseball's in the middle of a strike right now i believe so the timing of that is super unfortunate
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um and then so my other thing about this that i don't really love is just that
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i saw in the nhl this year where they started taking nhl games and making them exclusively on espn plus um which is
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espn streaming platform and it's just a pain if you're if you like a specific team and now
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you've lost your local broadcast of something to be exclusive on a streaming service that
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and when it's like this where it's only gonna be two games on a friday like your team you're probably only gonna miss one
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or two games but if you're someone who really really likes to watch every single game it sucks to have to buy a streaming
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platform if all you're interested in is your your mlb team and now you're only gonna use
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it for like two games a season or something like that it's weird they didn't go all in basically yeah it's not like they can't
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go all the way yeah we can't offer the entire thing exclusively but they did pay i assume they paid the mlb a good
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bunch of money for this and yeah i guess that's the idea is uh hey you want to watch the games just drawing
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apple tv and this isn't even like i'm not super super mad at like apple tv here this is happening all over sports
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i just don't love it in general um but it clearly is a an interesting idea if you are already
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an apple tv user and you're a huge mlb fan this might be really cool for you you can get some out of uh yeah
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non-local games that you can watch and that's pretty fun but yeah it's clearly clearly
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gunning at top streaming services they're really putting all the marbles in for that it continues to evolve i continue to watch none of them i watch a
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lot of youtube that's just me then we got the green iphone mid-cycle refresh so you remember
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how it's usually i guess it's been read a lot because they didn't launch a product red and then six months later in march they'd do a red version i think
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they did a purple one last year was that last year yeah or yeah it was the 12th so this year we
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got green we got a green iphone 13 and we got an alpine green iphone 13 pro
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yeah i was a little confused when they first announced it because they said two stunning new colors and to me oh green is one it's one color
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despite it being two different two different greens but i when they announced it it was like when they say green i knew it would
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already have to be two greens because the pro versions are matte and the non-pro versions are glossy so i just
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kind of assumed that was one color and then they kind of showed both of them and then just skip to the next one and
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we were all kind of at the studio like was that two they said two so they're so it's just forest green i think for the
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thirteen it's just like the base just it's just called green yeah but if i'm describing it for audio listeners it's
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just just imagine like your standard default like slightly darker than normal green and then the 13 pro alpine green you're
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kind of where your hat is closer to it's like an olive green shout out moment yeah shop you got head to toe green
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shades on well maybe i'm color blind maybe that's kind of bluish well everyone in the audio version can now picture me wearing
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full green heads yeah no it's like a military green i've seen a car with this green and it looks nice i love it love it love it so you're
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into the green super into the green it's just funny how they just they just drop a new color one of the ones that wasn't at launch it could have been anything i
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guess it could have been some other blue or whatever they wanted but green was definitely not available at launch and now here we are and they've done a green
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sim this feels like it was the 11 there was a pro version of the green but it was
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more towards gray this is like the greener version of that but still in that yeah that
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nature olive drab kind of like matte finish i love it honestly i know you you're into it i'm into the alpine one
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i'm not into the regular green iphone but i'm into the output i'll take that you're usually pretty anti-green so i just don't it's just not my color i
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don't wear green so i don't disagree with you i like it i can see why people don't like green
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generally but yeah it's not easy anyway we got that that was a simple
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easy stuff then we got two new things that i would describe as like new chip old body okay iphone sc and ipad air
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yeah iphone se follows the formula that we've seen from apple from the last
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couple iphone ses which is we've got the a15 bionic which is the newest chip and it's inside the body of
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an old iphone which is the iphone 8 basically home button bezels the whole deal
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now putting an a15 bionic in that older phone and actually this is a good
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clarification a slightly higher capacity battery okay physically so it's it's hopefully a more efficient ship but the
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big problem with the last year's iphone sc was small phone powerful chip you can
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burn through that battery kind of quick yeah so i'm happy to see a slot larger capacity battery and we'll be testing that but yeah the newer chip does allow
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for things like uh smart hdr four plus uh photographic styles like all the you
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know feature updates that are driven by the neural engine and the a15 bionic the camera quality should be better
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good stuff so yeah it also has 5g now exactly so that that modem is in there for 5g support no
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millimeter wave interestingly so the 13 and 13 pro that can do millimeter wave this will not do millimeter wave fair
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and then it lands at 429 which is a little bit more expensive
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than the 399 of last generations yes e my only thoughts were like when i first
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saw it i was like man i was hoping this would be like a 12 mini body i i think
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optimistically i was hoping for 12 mini buddy pessimistically i was hoping for at least like 10 body yeah like newer
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updated notch no more bezels kind of that so i think i think the best argument the best
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reason why they're not doing that is truly still the home button people still need and want and buy and
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desire an iphone with a home button there's a lot of iphone 5 iphone 6 iphone 7
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iphone 8 users who are just used to a home button and just want a new iphone and don't want to
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learn gestures don't want to switch to this new form factor and this is still apple going all right we'll offer that
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for you but yeah they obviously can make this part in mass very cheap and
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you know 429 is not the cheapest phone they've ever made but it is still a competitive lower price phone super
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competitive it's great value the the sc always has been i think my only like
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argument against that they still really want to give someone the home button is if they're so adamant about giving
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people that option why are you only giving it to them in the cheapest phone possible like is there someone that wants a phone home button but wants
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normal like higher specs or like is there somebody who doesn't want the home button but can't afford
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their top range stuff it feels like you're splitting this it is an unfair manner i feel like it's sort of a last resort thing they don't want you to buy
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this yeah they don't want you to spend more money so if you really have to have a home button they do offer one but they
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would much rather you buy an iphone 13 right now at full price in green of course i'm surprised they haven't also a
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lot of people wanted a headphone jack and they got rid of it so like there's plenty of things they've gotten rid of i'm surprised the home button part of me
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thinks they just really had did the iphone 10 just sell so well they still have
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eight stock left over like a bunch of manufactured bodies and it's ready to go but but yeah no this this to me is
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interesting we'll be testing it it feels like a fascinating mishmash of parts like when
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you look at other budget phones there are budget phones that have 120 hertz display that have a larger
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screen than this that have a 5 000 milliamp hour battery with like 40 watt fast charging that have like some decent
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qualcomm chip in there 5g all these things that you think like oh they all just spank the iphone but the
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iphone has a couple things it's 429 and it has probably the most powerful chip
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in any phone ever made yep it's wild and it's 429 and has a very solid 12
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megapixel camera that will probably outperform every other phone at that price like when you honestly when you
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think of a 400 phone you don't think of an amazing camera the small exception might be an old pixel or something like
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that but yeah iphone se great camera other than that very old dated hardware very old screen
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very old screen like 60 hertz low resolution not as bright like very old
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parts in there so it's a it's a weird mishmash of parts but hey this is iphone se special edition is what i think it
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originally stood for yeah you just mentioned sc stands for special edition i've never really thought about it
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during the event yesterday and yeah it's the least special it's the most
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formulaic boring phone they have yeah it's the least special phone but it's a special edition
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some people are saying it stands for like or they should change the name to like cheap like the baseline edition whatever
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it is what it is we also got the ipad air though it's the same general formula which is fascinating because it's
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another weirdly imbalanced thing the ipad air is 5.99 it's the same body same fingerprint
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reader same battery same it's like one extra color there's a blue one now same camera same all that yeah but it has an
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m1 chip in it now which matches the performance of the highest end i guess
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you'd have to pay 800 to get an m1 ipad air how much is an m1 i'm gonna look that up m1
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m1 ipad air sorry m1 ipad pro yeah if you wanted to get an m1 ipad pro
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right now you'd be paying at least 7.99
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so i remember when we when i reviewed the last ipad error i actually called it an ipad pro killer yeah because the only
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thing you're missing dave and i were talking about this the only difference between now the m1 ipad air and the m1
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ipad pro is the max storage you can get that one or two terabytes in the ipad pro if that's
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what you're after the extra cameras of the ipad pro and lidar everyone's dying for those and
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then promotion nicer screen and that promotion thing is the only
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thing that i actually prefer you get face id you get a slightly different like bezel size but really it's the same
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form factor between the ipad pro and the ipad air are the speakers that different maybe i don't know you get a thunderbolt
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port on the uh ipad pro versus a fast usb c port on
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the ipad air is that the difference that you're going to pay 200 for probably not so like for me it's just a
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screen it's the biggest difference yeah how many people are going to buy the ipad pro if you have an m1 ipad air option
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not as many i would think really like to know i feel like the people that would make that jump are
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artists using it as a tablet and i i'm can without any knowledge and being a
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horrific artist um i can only assume 120 hertz would actually be really beneficial but if
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you're if you're an artist or a drawer or sketch just like doing that and have used 60 and 120 hertz let us know i
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would like to know how much time yeah when i look at that too even the ipad air supports the newest gen apple pencil
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so it my question would be how big is the difference in latency between that exact same pencil on those two different
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yeah so while it's probably doing this the exact same in terms of like how specific it is and how well it's
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drawing like when you have that disconnect between your hands and what you're seeing on the screen and your
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brain yeah like that latency can really i'm assuming mess you up um yeah and probably even even though
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it's a mental thing i'm sure it's frustrating and i'm sure there's people willing to pay an extra 200 bucks for
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that yeah yeah i am i'm i'm still using my original i guess 2018 or 2019 12.9
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inch ipad pro yeah just because like yeah i've liked promotion and i've liked everything about it and i've had no
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reason to upgrade since then the m1 chip is amazing haven't needed it it's it's crazy power yeah that chip is so they're
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gonna put that chip in an ipad air with ipad os and it's i'm gonna have probably a lot of the same questions that i did
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about the ipad pro which is like how much of a computer-like experience can you turn this into
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but yeah now it's 5.99 instead of 7.99 cool nice that's awesome so yeah that's
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that's sort of the boring stuff but we definitely got to get into this new m1 ultra chip the mac studio and this new
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apple silicon update and the new computer that they launched and the new display uh you want to do the the chip
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first i guess that makes the most sense yeah let's see because i feel like the chip kind of is what this is all based on and yeah honestly what we're most
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excited about yeah okay so we already knew we set the stage we got the m1 chip and that filled out mac mini macbook air
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mac imac great chip very like baseline but obviously very
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capable for almost everyone's regular use it's weird calling that bassline it's really good it is yeah it's really good crazy we reviewed it it's out there
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that's the baseline stuff then we got and that's even it's in a macbook pro that's how good it is 13 inch macbook
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pro so then we got m1 max and m1 pro so m1 pro being a step up and
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m1 max being the highest end and those show up in macbook pros and i've this is
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this thing right here the 60-inch macbook pro that i'm using with the m1 max chip in it monster chip amazing
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incredible efficiency great battery life but also it's outperforming literally imac pros some mac pros out
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there especially in apple's native apps incredible stuff m1 ultra is the name of
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the new chip that just got announced yeah let's start right there because with the name yeah because it's a name we've debated about for a while i guess
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we've been talking about the mac pro chip and what its name was gonna be right this is not quite there
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but is obviously the upgrade i think people were thinking m1x you were thinking m2 for a little bit
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because we weren't sure like if this was going to keep the m1 line so we're on the m1 line m1 ultra i was thinking it might have
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been m1 extreme or something like that sounds like something apple would call it yeah but there's intel extreme stuff
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so i feel like they're going to try and stay away from that that's my guess by the way i'm like leaning in like yeah we
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do extreme too and it's way better than that there's clearly some things they don't care about and just pretend other companies don't exist i mean samsung
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makes an ultra idea exactly samsung had a pretty funny tweet that was just like green ultra we're flattered by this nice
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yeah nicely done wow samsung getting getting a little shadow well played um i
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just don't like the name to be honest no real reason why i just don't think it's that fun you know it's funny i never liked m1 max either because we're
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talking about m1 max max and a mac with m1 max like it's it's not a good name true at least it's not a tongue twister
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yeah so i i got over the names and and how i don't like any of them a long time ago because the chips are so good i'm
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like whatever fine so the m1 ultra is basically two m1 maxes
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together this is we've been hearing about this die design and how they're going to have essentially cut out they're going to cut out it's
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like imagine a well it's funny because it's not it's not a square anymore it's a rectangle well now it's a rectangle yeah so it's a
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it's a rectangular chip with uh with a super fast super high bandwidth
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connection between them 2.5 terabytes per second between the two chips should basically allow them to
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communicate with zero latency and the whole system sees it as one mega chip it's why it was like exhibit was like yo
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dawg we heard you like m1 max why don't you have two we put a pair in there yeah yeah and it's funny dave 2d
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brought this up in this video like there are dual socket systems they've been out there for a long time you can actually get a motherboard and put two cpus on it
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and two coolers and run a system with two chips but having the system see it all as one
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is way more efficient and it's just it's just the better way to do it yeah so we saw this coming but it's here it's
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massive um we get the crazy speeds it's a 20 core cpu 16 of those being high
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performance cores four of those being high efficiency cores and there's a 48 core or 64 core gpu version of this yep
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and uh i think it's a 64 or 128 gigs of unified maps exactly yeah okay that's
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pretty sick that's a that's a lot of big numbers they are big numbers they did a but they did the whole graph thing they
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always do which is they show not really well labeled graphs did you
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notice the graph is always the same length away no matter what it would be like yeah like a quarter of it is always
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the competitor but then the top bar is like two times faster 3.7 times faster it's always the same it's the same shape
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of a graph every time yes but they'll like change the asymptote and or so they change the access to say a hundred but
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like what test are you running like what benchmark what app is this even yeah um i did see the fine print and they they
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mentioned certain gpus by name rtx 360 ti is going to be more efficient than that chip it's going to draw 200 watts
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less power than rtx 3090 at the same performance yeah a lot of the graphs were also like super specific like you
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said it's like outperforms blah blah blah at this much less power and so i don't know they're not one-to-one like
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yeah which they never really are but basically my take from this was like okay i can't really learn much from
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apple's hand-picked tests but what i did pick up is that they compared this frequently to the highest end imac pro
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and the mac pro and obviously it's called the mac studio that this computer is hosting this m1
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ship and we'll talk about the computer in a second but this chip is actually more capable in a lot of things
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than any chip they've ever put in any mac and that that is like a question i was asking my
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video which is like uh okay we've we've seen the event is this the highest end ship they need
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to make and the answer turned out to be no and we'll get to that in a second well they also did though mention that
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this is the full m1 lineup the right arrows here so there's some there's some naming specifics that we can get into we'll
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probably talk about that yeah we will definitely talk about that but bottom line is this m1 ultra chip seems to be awesome and i cannot wait to start
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testing it that being said um the computer that it's in is called the mac
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studio so they announced the mac studio alongside the new monitor which is the studio display
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and it basically looks like a super thick mac mini i'm giving that about four c's it's like yeah several mac
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minis stacked on top of each other yeah 3.7 inches tall which seems really small but like i guess the regular mac mini is
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probably only like an inch and a half it's like an inch and a half yeah so it's it's it's looking like it ate a bunch of other magazines basically
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essentially so it's tall it's got these heat sinks i think basically half the internal volume is heat sink
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yeah i actually got a little excited off the start because so you know how it's it's pretty much like a rounded square
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yeah and then on the bottom it has a circle that's all the vents so they started when they announced it with this
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like crazy close-up of a bunch of holes and circular and i was like oh my god they're bringing the trash can back and
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i literally sent it out loud and got excited and then i realized it was just the bottom that you almost never see and yeah somebody who made that render was
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probably thinking that the whole time like somebody's going to think it's pro circle again you got me if you're watching but it is actually a remarkably
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similar thermal design it's taking in cool air from the bottom which the trashcan mac
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pro did it cools all the components and then exhausts hot air out the top or in this case the top the back back yeah
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yeah um but you know this is uh this is apple's own silicon this isn't a huge gpu inside
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exactly i think that's the biggest thing because when you had the trashcan mac pro and it started having problems it was
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very specifically the gpu that was starting cpu caused issues spit in flames man i mean and jamming that
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inside that small yeah we were only at vents on the top and bottom and the outside was like literally completely
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shut it never stood a chance looking back it was insane so this mac studio so it's got a bunch
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of real ports got a bunch of thunderbolt ports on the back it's got 10 gig ethernet hdmi two usb 8 ports still it's
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got the high impedance headphone jack from the macbook pro it looks like and there's front i o also yeah front
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ports i think that's nice because this is clearly something that goes on your desk and there's an sd card reader right on
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the front of the thing yep awesome thank you though the mac mini always had it on the back that always drove me inside
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yeah and they still put the power button on the back fine i can retry and hit that yeah if i just want to hit the sd card slot right in the front
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love that so that's on the front along with two usbc ports if you get the m1 ultraversion those are two thunderbolt ports yeah cool
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um i don't know any thoughts on this design i mean it's it's clearly extremely small for the amount of power
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it's kicking out that's what i think is really cool about it and in a very specific scenario like here where people
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make fun of your uh cable management fairly often because you're oh this is huge for me yeah we have the mac pros
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i'm someone who put it on my desk but it takes up a large amount of my desk you have double monitors you have big studio
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speakers like it cannot fit on your desk so you have your computer on the ground all the time which means all of your
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wires always have to have slack for being able to go to sitting to standing that's something people don't understand
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i want to just bring up the fact that pewdiepie roasted my setup because all he did was see the disc in the standing position and saw all those cables
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dangling there and said marquez what's good with the wires yep bro it's impossible i mean it's you can do it but
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you spend a serious amount of cable management as someone who switches computers every couple of years i'm not
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trying to do that yeah um just trying to make that work so yes with this it'll be on my desk and
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i'll have the cleanest setup you've ever seen no wires anywhere i'm very excited looking forward to seeing it but yeah
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you the fact that you can literally like you could stack that between your two monitors right now have all the wires
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yeah it's gonna look so much nicer it is crazy you can get that much power out of something that's
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small that can fit on your desk uh i would i feel like 12 south or something's gonna do it'd be really see
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if they made some sort of mount to go onto the back of monitors because that would be really sick that's what i
00:25:08
always loved doing with small form factor computers yeah is a little thicker though maybe not working when you said 12th south i actually pictured
00:25:15
them making like um like a tray wait so are you thinking of like the old
00:25:20
imax stands we had kind of kind of yeah so i i'm picturing
00:25:25
a tray because the one thing we'll talk about the monitor in a second but people are like why is there no wireless charger in the stand apple was never
00:25:30
going to do that but what if they just made a tray where you put the mac there you put you got like a wireless charger
00:25:37
a spot to charge your phone maybe and then like some spots to hold like sd cards and stuff and it's just all neatly
00:25:43
in this little metal tray with felt on the inside so it's soft yeah that'd be cool i could see them making that
00:25:50
but yes a backpack type thing where you put it on the back of a monitor yeah it
00:25:55
can fit do you remember our imac stands for the imac pro it was kind of like it
00:26:00
was basically like a little box where since the imac isn't height adjustable it would like boost it up a little bit
00:26:07
you and i are both tall that helps immensely and then it would give you like a little slot to store some things under yeah but i could see 12 south
00:26:13
making a case where you could scoot the new studio display stand on top of it
00:26:18
safely by the way we'll take a solid 10 of all these ideas when you do eventually come out with them because
00:26:23
clearly we're the only ones who have these ideas yep uh no yeah i like it a lot something also uh since i uh put out
00:26:31
this video dave2d again just he's a sleuth he's all over apple.com found that the m1 ultra version of this mac
00:26:39
studio weighs two pounds more than the m1 max version i thought that was
00:26:44
curious and the two possible speculations we had were either number one
00:26:49
they've done some sort of a different heatsink design in the m1 ultra version or number two there's just a bigger
00:26:55
power supply in the m1 ultra version which weighs more because it's an internal power supply yeah so that's an
00:27:02
interesting random quark if you're thinking about putting it behind the monitor as a backpack you should know if you get the seven pound version versus
00:27:07
the five pound version i guess that should matter a little bit that's fascinating yeah i cannot wait i'm sure
00:27:12
he's gonna sleuth into that further and try and figure out what exactly it is yeah we're gonna get both i don't know
00:27:17
if i guess i'm guessing they pop open the same way a mac mini does the bottom part you just unscrew it basically and
00:27:23
you can look inside but we'll see can we actually talk about that a little bit because this was something uh
00:27:30
right after they announced the studio they said is or actually i think was right before they said there's three
00:27:35
main things we want to accomplish with the mac mini or the mac studio performance connectivity and modularity
00:27:41
and finally many want a modular system and display so they can create their
00:27:47
perfect setup and the modularity thing made me think we were getting a mac pro
00:27:52
and then the mac mini comes out which i think we all know is like not exactly what we would consider modular and right
00:27:58
after that he did say many want a modular system and display so they can create their perfect setup
00:28:05
it kind of feels like all they're saying is you get to choose your own monitor that's the only thing i could say is modular about this but he in that it
00:28:12
also does say modular system which feels like the system not including externals or peripherals so
00:28:19
that part confused me that part feels like a lie exactly this is this is a computer that is not designed to be user
00:28:25
serviceable the 128 gigs of video memory you can never change once you buy it yeah all this like spec changing like
00:28:32
you can't do anything once you get it i mean other than like change a fan out or something if it breaks but like that's
00:28:37
not even on you it's not modular at all no yeah you can change your own display byod i thought that was an interesting
00:28:43
word i would never use modular to describe this uh okay so that's the m1
00:28:49
ultra's max studio right so we've got the the computer they announced it alongside this display
00:28:54
this gorgeous display and it looks just like a pro display xdr but basically what it is is for sixteen hundred
00:29:00
dollars it's they took the display out of the 27-inch imac and just made it a
00:29:05
standalone is it the same aspect ratio it's the same display oh okay all of it it just looks different because it
00:29:11
doesn't have a chin on it exactly so it doesn't have the screen it doesn't have sorry the computer behind it doesn't have the chin anymore they've taken the
00:29:17
same 27 inch 5k display i think it is 600 nits now instead of 500 that's the only difference yeah same you know
00:29:24
same yeah aspect ratio pixel density all that stuff and they've repackaged it so it's a nice display it looks like the
00:29:31
protoplay xcr but it doesn't need the heat sink holes on the back so it's just a flat metal back yeah it looks like if per display xdr and the imac then when
00:29:39
at kind of because like the stand and the thinness is closer to that but the the feeling and look of it feels like
00:29:44
yeah uh xdr and then it's uh it's got three ports on the back three usbc i think it
00:29:51
was two usb 3 usbc and a thunderbolt okay so it's got your ports on the back it has a 12 megapixel webcam which the
00:29:56
pro display doesn't have and it's an ultra wide webcam with uh the center stage feature yeah it has an a13
00:30:02
inside the monitor right for that it does speakers yeah so the triple mic array and the webcam powered by
00:30:09
literally a high-end smartphone chip from two years ago yeah amazing and six speakers with atmos and spatial audio as
00:30:15
well they said those speakers are the best they've ever put in a mac which to me i am using the 16-inch macbook pro and
00:30:22
this is the best speakers i've ever heard in a mac yeah it's like what other built-in speakers you really care about the desktop never has good speakers
00:30:29
so i'm interested to hear what those sound like yeah and i also a lot of people are going to say who cares about
00:30:34
speakers inside of a monitor and well it's easy to agree with that at the same time if you're someone who's 99 of
00:30:42
the time using headphones for your work which i think on a lot of there's gonna be a lot of video editing uh and potential music editing and audio
00:30:49
editing on this yeah i think that will be the case but every once in a while you just want to like show someone something quick and if you don't have
00:30:55
the full like speaker setup having just those really quickly to unplug your headphones show somebody something so
00:31:01
you can both listen to it as an example and then plug it back in it's actually really beneficial yeah i was calling
00:31:07
this studio display basically everything that m sorry it's everything that lg ultra
00:31:13
fine 5k ever wanted to be remember that thing from like six years ago it came out right alongside a couple other macs
00:31:19
and it was like oh nice okay with one cable you can plug it into your laptop it'll charge the laptop and you get this
00:31:25
gorgeous 5k display which is like okay that's the same resolution apple's been using and all that cool they just made
00:31:33
they just killed that product basically but it's more expensive yeah and the stand this is where it gets
00:31:39
kind of interesting at least for me okay so sixteen hundred dollars just for the
00:31:44
baseline yes add 300 if you want nano texture yeah add 400 if you want height
00:31:50
adjustability at all yeah so pretty much regular default stand it comes with is like the imac stand which is just tilt
00:31:57
you want the kind of xdr esque stands you know that it doesn't rotate to portrait like it doesn't do that but it just adds
00:32:03
height adjustment it has that extra hinge to get the height that's all you get height for four bucks 400 for height adjustment so you could easily
00:32:10
700 so you're looking at like what is that now it's an over 2 000 monitor yeah
00:32:16
so does it kill the lg ultra fine 5k no there's a lot of other monitors that do
00:32:22
a lot of things that are close but not quite like it wait slightly off topic was the was the
00:32:29
ultra fine was that the one that uh was interfering with routers back in the day
00:32:34
yes yeah that was really yes that was like a plastic monitor right it
00:32:40
had a webcam but i'm sure it wasn't very good it had built-in speakers but i'm sure those weren't six speaker dolby at
00:32:46
mostly just amazing was it hydrogen i'm pretty sure it had uh okay yeah so that's so it doesn't cost 400
00:32:52
extra dollars so like that launched at like 1300 bucks it's still 1300 bucks that's still a display that a lot of
00:32:58
people will probably get if they only want to spend 1300 bucks but if you want the extra bits of like apple doing first
00:33:04
party well like this studio display will clearly pair well with any mac the
00:33:09
webcam is you know has the highest powered isp probably in any monitor ever so you got 813 in there
00:33:16
center stage you got great speakers great mics so yeah i can see people with macbook pros who didn't want to get a 6
00:33:22
000 pro display getting this instead yeah and a lot of people who get the mac
00:33:28
studio getting this as well uh it's interesting that it's not updated at all in any sort of color capacity
00:33:35
like if you're doing studio stuff like video editing the 5k imac display was good
00:33:43
but it's not 1600 like standalone display good so i'm
00:33:49
curious to you know see what kind of people end up choosing that over the other options i was personally selfishly hoping it
00:33:55
would be higher fresh rate 120 hertz totally unnecessary for a studio display but i just want a higher fresh rate
00:34:00
display in the inevitable most powerful mac ever made yeah this feels like the the toned
00:34:06
down version of xtr though so i while still pretty high price point um i was i don't see them giving you
00:34:12
anything that's going to outperform the xdr display oh yeah that's very sensitive i mean it does
00:34:17
though it has much better speakers and a much better webcam true yeah but as far as the display quality
00:34:23
it's not going to touch the edge the exterior so fair okay so that's the studio display i think like in that
00:34:30
really quick there was some debate on twitter about i love that the
00:34:35
uh about how much this is worth and it seems pretty
00:34:40
no one's there's both sides some people think this is totally not worth it because you could just get the old ultra fine and
00:34:47
while it's still 1300 people saying you can get it used for quite a bit cheaper sure and then this is like 1600 bucks
00:34:54
for a 5k display there's a lot of people saying um compare it to something else but not a
00:34:59
lot of people make 5k yeah apple seems to be the only people making 5k so it's hard to find a direct comparison here
00:35:06
it's hard to find comps that's that's what it comes down to so yeah i guess i find i'm probably somewhere in the
00:35:11
middle where i can only recommend this to people who know what they want and this is what
00:35:17
they want if i specifically want a 5k display that's going to work well
00:35:22
specifically with my mac this is one of the best options yeah right there's only a couple yeah
00:35:29
it's going to be the best built it's going to have the best speakers it's going to have the best camera i'm assuming and it's going to work well as
00:35:34
far as i don't know there's no face id but i mean it's got an a13 bionic inside yeah it's great i think it's if you're a
00:35:41
a bargain hunter i don't think you're getting a bargain with this but no if you buy this you're not gonna feel ripped off yeah so that's the other side
00:35:47
oh yeah do you want a bargain do you want the best bang for your buck as far as like i want a high resolution display to pair with my mac okay yeah check out
00:35:54
the dell ultra sharps check out the lg5 case check out the other displays there's if you want higher refresh rate
00:36:00
there's other options so yeah that's uh you got to know what you want and for some people a studio display is
00:36:06
exactly what they want and that's cool so i guess yeah all that paired together
00:36:12
makes a pretty solid announcement but then they ended it
00:36:17
with a a pretty brutal teaser in my opinion oh yeah just cause like i know you missed the air force i actually did
00:36:23
miss it i was listening to four different things at once and i didn't catch it you were like tweeting and everything yeah i was taking my notes but apparently so so john at the end of
00:36:31
the final presenter before tim cook said together with the studio display these products will empower users to create
00:36:37
the studios of their dreams and to continue to change the world and they joined the rest of our
00:36:43
incredible mac lineup with apple silicon making our transition nearly complete with just one more product to go mac pro
00:36:51
but that is for another day but that's just for another day on to you tim and just moves on
00:36:57
uh okay so that's that's the one i've been waiting for so my question this entire time and we'll
00:37:03
get more into this after the break was is the mac studio a mac pro
00:37:08
mini or a mac mini pro yeah that's very right it's just a small
00:37:16
difference right is it a better mac mini or a or a mini mac pro yeah it's very good
00:37:22
and the answer is is because of his statement it's a mac mini pro yeah right
00:37:28
it's a really really good powerful chip in a computer that goes on your desk
00:37:33
but the mac pro is still coming later it just happens to be so powerful that it's
00:37:39
outperforming the current current pro that's how good it currently is i mean we've seen that before like when the i the macbook air m1 came out and they
00:37:46
were still and they were like is this is this a mac pro is this a macbook pro no it's just so good that by the time
00:37:52
they get to refreshing the next one that's the next level the transition is gonna have some weird in-betweens here yeah so let's take a quick break and
00:37:59
come back and talk about that mac pro [Music]
00:38:06
all right we back welcome to the least useful most emotional part of the podcast for
00:38:13
me yeah the back end of the podcast what it usually is save it for save the best for last uh okay so we know
00:38:20
what we've got announced yes the m1 lineup is actually now complete yes
00:38:27
because what apple said is this completes the m1 lineup so that's the m1 the m1 pro the
00:38:33
m1 max and the m1 ultra yes which means we're going to get a mac pro and it won't have an m1 in it it'll have
00:38:40
something else yeah this is something i double checked multiple times is they had two very specific statements that
00:38:46
i'm sure were worded very on purpose which was we're adding one last chip to the m1 family and it's
00:38:52
gonna blow your mind and then when they were talking about form factor computers they said
00:38:57
this is the apple silicon lineup everything except for one which is mac pro so they specifically did not say m1
00:39:04
there so we're assuming that now mac pro is this is our speculation not m1
00:39:11
so what do you want to get it do first here um naming i guess my speculation starts
00:39:17
with naming yeah let's go straight into naming it so okay i think the the way this road map plays out is we're going
00:39:22
to start to see the refresh of the new versions of those m1 chips around the
00:39:28
same time we see the the new mac pro so i think we're going to get an m2
00:39:36
in all of the baseline stuff that we currently have an m1 in okay so we have an m1 ipad m2 ipad and one macbook air
00:39:44
m2 macbook air i think we're going to get an m2 pro and an m2 max in these
00:39:49
macbook pros and then we're going to get an m2 ultra in the mac studio and i
00:39:54
think they need an m2 extreme or something else
00:40:00
for the mac pro mega yeah they're gonna have they'll have to come up with another word yeah their name i'm not
00:40:05
banking on a good one but and that will be so we're just skipping m1 all together for mac pro and it will be on the same
00:40:12
architecture as m2 so they'll probably have more density i don't know if it's four nanometer but you know more
00:40:18
transistors all the stuff for m2 we do all that for all the m2 series and then that same architecture gets like a quad
00:40:26
chip okay for the m2 extreme yeah like four times pretty much exactly yeah
00:40:32
that's my theory based on what i've seen and how it's timed out so after a lot of thought into this
00:40:38
at first i was wondering if there would just be like an m1 ultra
00:40:44
ii i don't know like a yeah i don't know like an upgraded m1 ultra that could be in a mac
00:40:50
bro and then i think i've eventually came to the point where you are but i have one
00:40:55
more thing in there which is if that is the case if they do a full m2 refresh of
00:41:01
everything and then do a fifth m2 chip for the mac pro when do you see the macbook coming out
00:41:07
because yeah that's where i've gotten to this point of yeah so the the
00:41:12
last mac pro what we got uh we got an unveiling at wwdc which is like june and then they
00:41:18
said it's coming by the end of the year and i think it came out in like november or december so
00:41:23
i i kind of just whenever i make predictions about the future of apple they are so like consistent with so many
00:41:30
things i tend to just look backwards to be able to look forwards so i would guess that we see an unveiling of this
00:41:35
new mac pro at wwdc 2022 and it's out by the end of the year along with some other m2 stuff so that's where i'll
00:41:41
disagree i guess so and my reasoning for it is if you're gonna release the m2
00:41:48
what a mega ultra we can just call it whatever um it feels really hard to me because if
00:41:55
they're gonna release that end of year that means they're basically gonna be releasing it before most of the other
00:42:00
m2s right the next generations maybe you're starting to get the beginning of the m2 and like the upgraded air at the end of
00:42:07
the year the upgraded macbook air yeah maybe they do refresh everything
00:42:13
that's so fast i feel like it would make more sense for them to introduce m2 and the lower end kind of like what
00:42:19
they did with m1 and then you're going to slowly build so each one you can say we're more powerful we're more powerful
00:42:25
we're more powerful so when you start at m2 mega
00:42:30
everything after that is now downgraded in terms of release i mean still really good still different price points so
00:42:36
they're still super worth it but it just feels from an announcement standpoint to be weird to be like
00:42:42
you can't do anymore this is the fastest chip apple's ever made that's like they're they're free so you're saying
00:42:47
yeah because basically they've announced these new chips in progressive order of power exactly they announced the m1 and
00:42:53
then they did the more powerful mpro and then m1 max and then the even more so i guess so are they beholden to doing that
00:43:00
again or are they allowed to announce the m2 mega in the desktop but obviously
00:43:05
that doesn't fit in the other machines so then we'll also do m1 m2 pro later is
00:43:11
that weird i think so so to me it makes me sad i think they're gonna talk about more
00:43:17
mac pro at wwdc and then i don't think we're gonna see m2 mac pro for another year
00:43:24
well they did promise a two-year transition so that's kind of funny if they announce it and then just don't put it out
00:43:29
i think as far as true i didn't take that into consideration yeah the end of the two years is the end of this year
00:43:34
yeah yeah so i you know unless do they count it as the full transition as it's like it's being developed it's just not
00:43:40
out yet that's tough i wanted to i don't think so i know you wanted to be out no
00:43:46
i'm not being like yo apple marquez really wants to wait another year for this could you slow it down it's funny because i also do think that the the
00:43:53
general idea of what we're expecting from that chip and what it'll do is already pretty set like we know what
00:43:58
this this jade two die with two chips and the the fusion layer in between we
00:44:04
already know what that is and what it does if they just do that again now there's four that's what we're expecting
00:44:09
the mac pro to be so what 40 core cpu 128 core gpu 256 gigs oh no we have to
00:44:15
quad yeah yeah 256 gigs of of built-in memory we're just doubling m1 ultra
00:44:22
and well you're doubling them one i'm doubling the m1 ultra not knowing that maybe there could be a little extra
00:44:28
juice in there for m2 ultra but yeah so that's the thing also if we're gonna get the m2 mega which we
00:44:34
assume is like four times what the m2 max would be or two times the m2 ultra what is the m2
00:44:41
ultra what are the specs on that what what's the upgrade on there that then you're doing right twice of that again
00:44:46
to get to four times right and two max but we might just be like nitpicking just because like the the
00:44:52
fundamentals of it will be the same it will be that 4x size that would be that 4x yeah
00:44:58
yeah 4x transistors 4x capabilities generally and like the best most optimized apps will get a huge bump in
00:45:05
performance maybe not a 4x but like if they're efficient if they're apple first party apps maybe they'll get 4x performance right yeah so that's the
00:45:12
general theory behind it and like god i am very excited to see a machine that can do 4x what this ultra can do
00:45:19
because that's it's basically 4x what the current mac pro console is so wild because i feel like we're still on the high of what just m1 pro and m1
00:45:28
people are still i mean tim just got his laptop people are still just getting those macbook pros and
00:45:34
really understanding how powerful they are and and apple's just like double it quad it yeah i guess it's that
00:45:41
you know the the pace of development isn't necessarily higher they've developed m1
00:45:47
yeah and they're just shipping larger and larger cuts of the same general thing
00:45:53
if that's i'm oversimplified yeah yeah but so now that we get like a 2x version it's like they didn't have to do
00:45:59
an entire year of development to see how are we going to double the number of transistors in the same amount of space
00:46:05
no they just have a double the size chip yeah so i don't think we're that far out from
00:46:10
actually seeing a chip capable of all that they just need to develop the machine it goes in
00:46:16
and like decide what kind of tower this actually looks like great segue because i think form factor is the next most
00:46:21
interesting thing about yeah uh a new mac pro because it clearly
00:46:26
right now the mac pro is gigantic it needs to fit a motherboard it needs to fit different things in the pcie slot it
00:46:32
needs to fit so much and still have a ton of extra space because it needs to cool it so much
00:46:38
you drop down to being apple's silicon now and you're seeing this ultra in a basically like beefed up mac mini
00:46:46
what is that micro gonna look like okay so this is something i've thought about a lot i will attempt to describe the way
00:46:52
i think roughly a new mac pro would look like with our theoretical
00:46:57
let's just call it an m1 quad right i've had like seven different names for it already i like mega and i'm already at
00:47:04
the point where i'm going to be sad if it's mega mega just because we said it so let's go with that okay so this m1 mega so right now you can still buy
00:47:12
an intel mac pro from apple.com if you really want to for 50 grand they just released a new
00:47:18
one also they just updated the gpu exactly you can get a different graphics card for 50 grand you can get
00:47:24
two dual sized dual slot workstation cards a 28 core xeon a terabyte and a half of
00:47:31
ddr5 ram and 8 terabyte ssd and some wheels right oh anna don't
00:47:36
forget don't forget the uh what's that card called i just forgot it's the prores card
00:47:42
you can get an afterburner card for 2 000 in there right the afterburner card is completely
00:47:47
unnecessary in the new one because that's basically built into the media engine which gets doubled every time the
00:47:52
chip gets doubled the the built-in chip in the ultra can do 18
00:47:58
concurrent prores 8k 422 files at once playback
00:48:04
so you don't need a prores card you don't need the afterburner card anymore so scrap that that's out of here so then i just think about like thermal
00:48:10
envelope and how small can this thing be i think it will be an on-desk computer
00:48:17
size again and i'm picturing i'm trying to describe this correctly about the size of the yamaha hs8 studio monitor on
00:48:24
my desk okay if those if people don't know how big that is that's basically picture like a
00:48:30
macbook pro up on its side picture a cube that big yeah i'm going to say like
00:48:36
like a 14 inch laptop foot tall foot long not even a foot tall not even a foot
00:48:42
tall actually yeah no yeah it's a foot tall that's a good that's actually a good measurement i'm also going to quickly do this in metric so people on
00:48:47
this good call okay one foot is 300 millimeters so right tall so picture a 300 millimeter cube a one foot cube
00:48:54
something roughly like that okay so you can put it on your desk if you want to um and i think a chip that big can use
00:49:03
half of that space for cooling and then apple just needs to decide what types of add-on real modularity they
00:49:10
want to support do they want us to be able to slot in like actual extra gpu power because it's
00:49:18
going to be an absurdly powerful gpu built in already does that need to even exist
00:49:23
don't know do they want us to be able to slot in additional storage lots of professionals
00:49:29
need to be able to slot in additional i think additional storage is the biggest thing that's going to separate this from
00:49:35
the studio additional i o and networking a lot of people need in their professional
00:49:41
environments to be able to slot in hey i need eight more thunderbolt ports for this thing hey i need you know four
00:49:48
gigabit ethernet ports just for this computer every time i buy one i'm gonna need a card expansion card basically for
00:49:53
that what types of expansion cards will work how will they interface with the motherboard don't know yet because we have pcie on
00:50:00
these regular boards i don't know what that looks like yet but i think generally yeah give us that sd card slot go crazy apple put an sd
00:50:07
card slot built into this red bag reader oh wait we're not even like shooting on
00:50:12
red mag anymore red mags are dead they're they shoot the cards yeah no but they they can
00:50:18
they can make a bunch of decisions between now and that unveiling and they can put that thing in the size of like a
00:50:25
yeah about a shoe box this shoe box it's a big shoebox yeah i was thinking um
00:50:31
the nzxt h1 case it almost would just be like if you took the
00:50:36
the now max studio and stack them stack them pretty much i mean
00:50:41
like still reasonable height it would almost look like a really beefy maybe like router or something like that a little
00:50:48
taller a little more space for some airflow a little more space for maybe something that's expandable um tower but
00:50:54
like super reasonable tower yeah yeah i'm excited i mean honestly the the power of
00:51:01
i think i saw a there's a tweet i think it was from last night or something like that where someone just
00:51:06
tweeted like what kind of workflow do you have to have to think you need to keep waiting for a more powerful
00:51:12
computer over the this mac studio the mac studio is incredibly powerful
00:51:18
and if you are a after effects editor even a final cut editor whatever like you just got the
00:51:23
duo machine it does everything you want right and that's what i thought about the intel mac pro and i still make that
00:51:30
thing basically i'm not going to say choke you've messed that thing up but i've had i've had it
00:51:36
reach its limits several times yeah that thing has 768 gigs of ram like on paper
00:51:41
i never thought i'd reach the limit of that machine and here i am wishing for more so uh yeah when i see that there's a new
00:51:48
mac pro coming clearly there are there are not just workflows but there are use cases i think is a better word that
00:51:55
that still need real modularity that still need real expandability and those people are definitely going to be
00:52:02
waiting for real mac pro tower i am one of those people who's just like
00:52:07
working with enough high resolution footage and plug-ins and consecutive concurrent apps and things
00:52:14
like that where i actually do want extra storage in the mac pro and i do actually want to be able to plug in
00:52:20
my dac and my monitors and the displays and all that and there's not enough ports like i just need more so i am one
00:52:26
of those people there's not a lot of people that do need more than the mac studio i think the mac studio is gonna
00:52:32
be just about as good as any content creator that i talk to will need but
00:52:38
i'm one of those people who's gonna be waiting yeah 3d stuff and rendering is probably what you they and they showed so much of that in
00:52:44
the announcement yeah but i can only assume the announcement for the mac pro is gonna look so similar because those
00:52:49
are the people who are really putting the uh the weight on machines and i think the new one's gonna be
00:52:55
you know better for them this one's already amazing for them the new one's gonna be even better but at a certain point you're basically just advertising
00:53:01
to those people who are like rendering insane scenes out yes the funny thing is like it's gonna be the most unrelatable
00:53:06
apple event ever like at least with the studio they could name it the studio and you know how they had that little setup where the lady was in front of a bunch
00:53:12
of like things like a like a house cut in half behind here yeah they had like a bunch a photography studio they had a
00:53:18
videography studio an animation studio and like even those places don't need this computer but hey now look you can
00:53:24
do these huge hdr images and this new you know workflow will be supported by it
00:53:31
and so that was even if you're never in that situation you can at least understand what i'm looking at i'm looking at a video studio okay this is
00:53:37
called the the studio computer that's what it's for how are they going to explain a mac pro that's not even for
00:53:44
these studios it's for like hollywood uh data centers and the craziest
00:53:50
workstations that somehow need more power than the mac studio yeah i don't know how you make that relatable at all
00:53:56
maybe that's just a short section of w that's where they put it wwdc they're talking to developers developers know
00:54:02
that they'll type the stuff they need you're compiling all right here's all the power you need and then that's just how they lean in will look exactly like
00:54:09
the mac studio exactly yeah um i have one more question kind of to wrap not to wrap it all up but kind
00:54:15
of at the end nothing that was talked about but some speculation i guess um so we saw that they took the 27-inch
00:54:23
imac off of the website after this announcement they said that they are now done with
00:54:29
the entire apple lineup apple silicon lineup now except for mac pro right so before
00:54:36
this announcement there are some rumors of people we're all thinking upgraded m1
00:54:41
maybe imac pro comes out before mac bro i don't think anyone was re the mac mini the mac studio was kind of
00:54:48
a surprise but um so imac pro is it dead we know that apple silicon lineup except for mac pro
00:54:55
is now completely announced we now have the 27-inch studio monitor which
00:55:00
replaces the size that's of what the imac pro okay would be and the imac is now the smaller like in my eyes is now
00:55:09
imac is just the i'm a family computer at home i can bring in my kitchen and do whatever and
00:55:14
looks cool and as dumb white bezels thing and now that's not a pro grade thing anymore you know what
00:55:20
you know when you put all the clues together and you look at the way apple phrased a lot of things yeah
00:55:27
i would say yes the imac pro is dead and not coming back i agree i'll combine the fact that they've said that the m1 is
00:55:34
done and they're just going to have one more thing which is that mac pro that seems like the obvious thing it's like okay no more no more imac pro
00:55:41
you combine that with the fact that they literally have the same display as the imac pro in the studio display
00:55:48
so if you want an imac pro you should just get a mac studio and a studio
00:55:53
display exactly that's about the same price actually probably let's say you get two thousand dollars for the display and you get five
00:55:59
thousand dollars for the computer seven grand that's what a high-end imac pro was so that's another thing
00:56:06
um and yeah you just you put in the fact that like
00:56:11
the imac if you were to create an imac pro from the current imac you need it to be redesigned again that's a bunch of
00:56:18
thermals that's a that's a new like heatsink that sticks way further off the back like if they haven't
00:56:24
designed that and they said they're done adding to the lineup sounds like it's not coming it makes me think that the
00:56:29
old imac pro was a like really quick transition
00:56:35
pro grade desktop because mac pro still wasn't out yet but they the old mac pro
00:56:40
is so old and having issues they didn't really have that in between of like this is what professionals should use and the
00:56:46
main gripe with it was if i'm a professional i probably want two monitors doing a lot of these
00:56:51
different workflows like a couple more ports yes so now the mac studio and being able to have up to three monitors
00:56:59
of the studio display yeah feels like the camera now they get to call it modular i'm doing air quotes audio yeah
00:57:06
that still really makes me modulate we separated it from the display so now you
00:57:11
can just swap it out and put a different one if you want yeah it's modular someone at apple needs to learn what modular means for sure well i'm not
00:57:18
holding my breath but i think we'll see a truly modular mac pro at some point 2022
00:57:23
and i think that's a positive note to end it on i'm hoping i'm crossing my fingers 2022 audio listeners 2022 i hope
00:57:31
i hope so also yeah well i don't know if i would bet on it either way uh that's about it for this
00:57:37
week i mean there's a there's a bunch of videos on the channels now you should definitely check out the green iphone unboxing on the shorts channel should be
00:57:43
up the day this comes out also yeah check out the the full recap video for my thoughts and obviously they're a
00:57:49
little more concise this is a bunch of rambling but hey if you want that recap to share that is there and stay tuned
00:57:55
for the reviews because we got to test these things out either way that's been it for waveform this week thanks for listening thanks for watching
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