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[Music] hey what's up everybody welcome back to the waveform podcast we're your hosts i'm marquez and i'm andrew and today
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we've got a couple things we've got adele fixing spotify for us that's a good one uh andrew's going to explain
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the stream labs drama to me i've heard about it but i don't know any of the details yeah we'll break that down and
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we also go into some detail about shooting the latest video which was every google phone review which is a
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little different than the every iphone review video so we'll talk about those differences and it was fun but first
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a couple quick hits we so vin had a little message in the slack this morning that he said he saw lucid
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air on the way to the studio today in new jersey yeah and the turnpike that fascinated me he does drive a tesla model 3 so he saved the dash cam clip it was very heads up of him to do that and
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so we'll like play it back it's kind of hard to tell in his clip we'll say it's a we allegedly saw it just in case we
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messed up but yeah it's like not the greatest weather and there's headlights and it's on the other side over a median
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so it's really hard to tell if it's exactly it but he's pretty sure that's what it is his eye test confirms it was
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one of those like bronze colors we keep seeing a bunch of them in i think that helps there's not a ton of those colors
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exactly exactly we're like is it a lincoln or is it just one of those with a bar headlight um but you know out to
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the eye it looks a little more obvious but that's that i thought i found fascinating it's kind of like a sasquatch to me right now i would love
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to see one in real life and of course i would love to to talk to people who own it and have driven it i was talking to
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some people on twitter the other day somebody who says he's gotten like 480 plus miles of really estimated range
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that's crazy which is pretty good um which is about in line with the race the ratio you see with a lot of evs like
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yeah like a rating versus yeah so it'll say like oh you have 316 miles but you really have 290. that's kind of like
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about where i would expect it which is awesome because you know 10 less is still 480 miles that's
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over like 150 more than what you're expecting out of most other things up there but um i would love to see kyle
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connor uh he's been on the show before he's the one who does like the eevee cannonball races right i would love to
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see the lucid oh that would be interesting i mean it it could if you plan it perfectly with the electrify
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america stops which he's had experience he did with the the taken beat the model 3 right right so he's done it on a
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different network already so this car is very very fast it's got a thousand horsepower the the
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version they're shipping right off the bat is very powerful and the longest range so in theory yeah it's pretty well equipped to to be great
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for a road trip yeah and you'll never get pulled over because a cop will just think it's a lincoln and they'll be like there's no chance that's going that fast
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yeah or it'll have a literal longer range well not at that speed but it'll have a longer range than a lot of gas cars yeah
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i think it could do really well i'd i would love to see that cool all right well we'll keep an eye out for it the
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sash squash of cars i want to talk about notification lights though for a second okay okay so i saw on uh on twitter
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there is a tweet a little bit of a teaser sharing the back of the upcoming oppo reno seven this is the phone that's
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not out yet but it's it's teased and the thing they're teasing i've seen a bunch
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of cool textures on the back of oppo phones in the last like two years which i think is nice some of my favorite
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packs on phones have come from oppo this is another one has like a kind of a neat almost sandstone looking back
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but around the camera bump there is an led light so if you're if you're listening if you can picture a camera
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bump which sticks out from the phone the rim around that camera bump is glowing in like a purplish white yeah now i tweeted this i was like oh that's one of the best uses of a camera bump i've
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seen immediately polarizing i never know when things are going to be polarizing but this is one
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of those things where okay on the upside yes it glows when you put your phone face down and you're in a dark enough environment uh which i think is awesome i actually
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also picture that i mean this is a render so it might not be this bright but if you flip it over right side up like a lot of people have their phone it
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could still like send a glow onto the table i would think if it's on that would be cool
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a lot of other people are like this is pointless this is dumb why people even have notification lights
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i despise those people if you are listening change your mind i still want you to listen but change your mind notification
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lights used to be on like every phone it would i would i remember an era distinctly where i would mention in
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every review where they put the notification really i remember the nexus one we were just working on this video had it in the trackball the trackball
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glowed that was sick yeah my starters eris had that as well yup they shrank them a lot they eventually were like up in the corner of the phone or down at the bottom they just put like a little
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notification dot in the front then they move to the corner and then now a lot of phones don't have them sony phones have
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them that's almost about all i can remember sometimes i know people who download
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apps that turn their iphone's flash into a notification that's really bright it's really bright yeah it's super like that could go off at the wrong or like in the middle when
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you're sleeping and it just like lights up the room yeah or even just it looks like you took a picture of somebody when
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you didn't that'll do really bad yeah i miss my my note 8 still might be just like one of
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my favorite phones i've ever had just for so many different reasons but the notification icon or led on that was
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just so good like where was it on that it was top left but like the screen was like it had the nice waterfall screen
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the screen always looked nice you never really knew the led was there until blue for notifications or no green for notif
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or messages blue for like twitter notifications i think and then yellow for snapchat like it had a bunch of
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different colors i always could tell what i always knew if a yellow one came in i didn't really care about it that much because it was snapchat green for
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whatsapp you could you could always have an app too to customize what color the notification would be for certain so nice i don't get how that's still not a
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thing it's so easy so like they're kind of dying except for a couple phones like what sony does red for low battery green
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for fully charged uh so i thought this was like cool this is like a neat thing you don't have to use it all the time but it's like a nice way to take
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advantage of leaning into having a huge camera bump when they all look the same exactly so i was into it i i was giving
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it a shout out i hope that is as bright as it looks on the render it's dangerous to assume that because it is a render
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and the phone's not out yet but we'll see maybe we'll get hands on the renault seven the only thing i can see if you have a case on you probably won't oh
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right you'll have to i mean if you have a clear case which i don't like clear cases very much
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you'd have to i'm sure it will come with a clear case i feel like a lot of those oppo phones do come with one but yeah if
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you have a case you can't really see it um yeah that was the other common tweet other than that i love it though i think
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it's so cool i don't get why anyone would be against it yeah unless it cost like a million dollars there's no yeah i
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i highly doubt it super into it yeah uh we have one more quick story i just wanted to mention because i thought it
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was kind of funny um i have it listed as adele saves us from spotify um you may have just seen like a couple headlines about adele please explain yeah yeah so there's like all these headlines adele gets spotify to remove
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the shuffle button from her albums or like shot or spotify hide shuffle button on adele albums per her request
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pretty much what happened is if you've noticed when you have when you go to an album on spotify and you click
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play it automatically shuffles it that big button on the top shuffles albums right adele pretty much
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was like hey we are artists we spend so much time putting these songs in like the correct order to us and ordering them up i don't really want it to be shuffled as
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the default okay she didn't take away the shuffle option you can still shuffle her albums and everything but the default now for her albums just play
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through the album like normal yeah that makes sense exactly there are so many people really
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mad about this i guess they thought she got the shuffle button removed from her albums no she saved us i stand that's one of
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those uh that's one of those features that seems like it should have obviously been available exactly especially like
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from the artist side there's a lot most of my favorite albums are chronological like you just go from top
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to bottom ram the incredible true story yeah even like graduation a lot of kanye's albums so yeah uh allowing the
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artist to to default to shuffle or to default to play straight through it should just i just think it should always default it should probably shuffle i don't get how that yeah but yeah
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cool thank you thank you wait so so she got it removed on her albums but it's not available for people
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i thought it was but it looks like adam's doing some research over there and he's got an update yeah so according
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to this article from the verge chris makowski the head of music communications at spotify confirmed the
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presence of the new feature to the verge quote as adele mentioned we are excited to share that we have begun rolling out
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a new premium feature that has been long requested by both users and artists to make play the default button on all
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albums end quote so only spotify or only premium all albums but only for premium
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users so if you're so if you're not a premium user you get the b tier adele album
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experience which is out of order last song first for songs for not having wifi premium so so adele saved spotify for all of us premium users yeah i guess she is that isn't it if you're not a premium
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user you can't even like pick the songs you just pick the playlist and it auto shuffles it yeah i actually thought i
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didn't i i can't speak for non-premium spotify use i've paid for this for a long time but i have heard some weird
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quirks about like asking for a specific song on spotify non-premium and just not being able to listen to it in order like i don't know i've i highly recommend
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paying for spotify premium which probably leans right into their exactly what they want it's because they nuke the non-premium version but it's great
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it's every song i don't use apple music or title or any other service at this point you're right
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and i agree with you as well i just think buy it um yeah all right marquez you're not huge into the streaming community but i'm sure you've seen a lot of stuff over the last week about something called stream labs and a lot
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of really big names that i'm sure you know of tweeting about it it's been floating around my timeline i haven't looked into
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it too much i've heard you've read into it more i've read into it i kind of knew the general
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timeline of what happened because like i used to stream a little bit just for fun every once in a while and i so i got
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really into learning how to set up streams and everything i've set up streams for the channel here um i think
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it's a really fun platform i think streaming in general is super entertaining um and i love a lot of the
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streaming community they're very similar to youtube yeah we've done a few live streams we've pretty much
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always used a piece of software called obs correct to run the live stream it's how you can switch between cameras
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direct your audio sources plug into whatever bit rate you want and go live yep streamlabs is a company that makes
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that software no no and that's kind of you i mean i'll go back into the history a little
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bit but just like remember that you said that because that will happen we will get into that later on okay okay
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if you don't mind me going into a little brief history here like you said there's a company called
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or a program called obs it's called open broadcast software essentially it's an open source platform that like you said
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very simple to take what's on your screen maybe what's on your webcam a couple other things and be able to broadcast that with a twitch key or a
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youtube key to broadcast to those live streaming platforms yeah now i'm with you yeah super simple um
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the program itself maybe isn't the most simple but um it's not pretty but yes you get to learn it pretty well um and
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then so in the streaming community unlike youtube there is kind of like adsense but one of the main ways that people make profit on when they're live streaming is through twitch donations or
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twitch subscriptions and kind of a way when people are live streaming to make that a little more interactive and a
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little more for the community is they have these like twitch alerts so pretty much if i were streaming something and
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you donated to me up on my screen would pop marquez donated x amount of money and i would
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probably be like oh cool marquez thanks for watching thanks for the 10 bucks or whatever um that's not built into that
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is not built into obs and used to be there was a stand-alone website called twitch alerts and essentially what it
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would do is you would connect your stream you connect your paypal everything that could see if somebody was donating or subscribing
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and essentially pop out a window with a green background and then you could customize the alert that would come up so i think like the default ones like
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the mario star and it says marquez has subscribed cool and then through obs you would
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uh select that window chroma key out the green and now you could place that anywhere on your stream to pop up
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whenever it happens it's all automated you don't have to worry about it you'll get a little notification sound and you can tell you got subscribed too right
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cool so that was in like 2015-ish twitch alerts come 2018 i believe it was twitch alerts decided to rebrand to a company called streamlabs and now streamlabs is the you know the company
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we're talking about a lot okay they create decided to create their own open broadcast software um
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or their own streaming software i should call and they called it streamlabs obs so essentially what this was now is very
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very similar to obs which is open source everyone knows it they called it a fork software so you're taking the original
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code from obs starting your own and they're adding a couple little features like now they have those
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alerts and everything built in they have like some default templates they have a couple things that they're trying to
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make it more user friendly and that's how they market it like crazy like okay this is more user friendly there's all
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these customizable things you can do you can hop on you can stream instantly it's really really good for new people who
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are getting into streaming and 2018 we have ever everyone wants to stream yeah there was definitely a bit of a like a
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streaming wave that happened i mean for sure i think a lot during the pandemic a lot more people started watching streams
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and started plugging in oh yeah which is obviously a little bit after 2018 but now obviously a lot more people stream
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than ever maybe this was around ninja's peak maybe probably i mean like fortnight you're seeing like younger people
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starting to stream because younger people are getting better at all these games in there and i always think it's fun because i love having anybody trying
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to create something yeah streaming's a whole nother platform of creation it's so usually pretty easy to do so i guess
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my just quick clarifying question is this this version of the fork software was done with obs permission obs made this open broadcast software correct then
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streamlabs this new rebranded company comes along and says hey we'd like to make another version of obs we're going
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to use your code and we're going to call it obs also is that what happened kind of i can skip it i'll skip ahead a little bit here so like they're legally allowed to use this
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software it's open source and everything cool now here's the issue and one of the things we've seen recently so i'll touch on it
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quickly to answer your question and then go into it later when um kind of everything starts to uh fall apart
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they reached out to obs and said hey we is it okay if we use the word obs in our new naming scheme streamlabs obs obs ask them please don't
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and then they did anyways so they come out with streamlabs obs it's you know a little easier for people to use a little more user-friendly starts getting really big and everything
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and um everything's going good i guess obs never really said anything about it publicly remember obs is not like a for-profit company they're a bunch of developers creating a software together
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as just like a passion project or sure i don't know the deep deep down into it but it's definitely not something that's
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hyper focused on monetization which what we start seeing streamlabs obs become they're offering all these like premium
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subscription services they're offering all these different customizable scenes you can buy straight off them like
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they're hyper focused on making money off of this to the point where logitech eventually buys them and um
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starts i mean obviously buys them out and is now a part of logitech okay they launch their start making all these different programs they have one that can help you take twitch clips and turn
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them into like uh correctly formatted for tick-tock or reels and stuff like that they started
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making a stream deck for your phone they start doing all these kind of different things oh streamlabs makes the stream
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deck that helps you like live switch between things yes and no oh god yeah it's all yeah so
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i'm i'm finally getting to the good part we're kind of like fast forward to right now streamlabs announces that they're coming
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out with a new program called streamlabs studio which is essentially cloud-based streaming
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platforms so you can stream from your console without having to do a fancy capture card or all
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these different things so you don't have to plug your xbox into your computer essentially you can stream straight from your xbox and it's going to go to twitch
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and i believe you use your phone to kind of customize some of the stuff in it really really cool yeah the problem is
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is there's another program called that which is that itself isn't the problem you can have similar programs to each other
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but this program is called lightstream and they've been doing this cloud-based streaming for a while and i have a link
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in the document actually i'm going to have you click and it is a tweet from lightstream
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about streamlabs's new streamlabs studio and i just want you to take a look at it
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really quickly and tell me what you're seeing hey can i copy your homework yeah just change it up a bit so it's not obvious
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you copied it bit all right so on the left is the landing page for lightstream and on the right is the landing page for
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streamlabs studio and if you want to just look at it quickly maybe describe it so they didn't copy the name
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but it looks like they copied point for point all of the same features and sort of explained it the same way i mean i'm on the i'm on the
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blown up image and it's like on the left here's how you level up your xbox and playstation streams and then i look at
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stream lab studio and at the top it says here's how you level up your console streams you go down it says how does it
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work you go down to the stream labs how does it work and point for point cloud capture for
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console streams cloud capture for console streams full layout and design control full out and design control so
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whoever built this entire landing page for stream labs was clearly at least inspired by i'm
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going to say they copied i'm going to say they copy the live stream do me one favor at the bottom read the user
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reviews on both sides oh boy so lightstream is literally one of the greatest things i've ever discovered
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thank you so much for making it easy just senso love this platform love how they listen
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to their community paris storm now on the other stream lab studio is literally one of the greatest things i've ever discovered thank you so much for making it easy love this platform
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love how i listen to their community it's the perfect platform for console streaming it's word for word every
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everything on both of these pages is word for word okay so up until seeing that i was like this
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could just be an innocent like we have all the same features i'll just paraphrase your exact layout and
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describe all of our features [Music] but it's literally it's word for word the only thing they changed are the software program images uh which is obviously if streamlabs posted pictures
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of lightstream that would be a huge issue um so this is kind of where all the dominoes start falling now so after
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they tweet that um if you look in the comment replies it's basically like here's elgato just
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write know that feel and then wrote showed an article called control your live stream from your phone with
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streamlabs stream deck remember when you just asked if they're the ones who make streamlines
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[Applause] [Music] and has made a mobile version from your phone all right so same thing now there's an
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app called combo which um lets supercharge growth of your twitch channel with automated tick-tock clips
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does that sound familiar yep we mentioned that before streamlabs created something called
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cross-clip which is the exact same thing wow um and then so what finally comes forward is we eventually see obs tweeting out um their kind of response to all this
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because they've been pretty silent with all of this happening obs like in the past couple years hasn't really said
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much about this but you know now it kind of comes out that everyone's you know you know the meme
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i made this no i made this meme yeah this is like this is that that's um so obs comes out
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with a couple tweets that kind of went all around twitter so if you saw anything this is probably
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one of the things that really really set it off um i'm just going to read off a quote here near the launch of streamlabs
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obs streamlabs reached out to us about using the obs name we kindly asked them not to they did so anyways and followed
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up with filing a trademark we've tried to sort this out in private and they've been uncooperative at every turn we're often faced with confused users and even
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companies who do not understand the difference between the two apps so not only are they having users who are confused
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whether streamlabs obs and obs are partnered but they're even getting support tickets from things that
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streamlabs obs are messing up and asking obs devs for refunds and how to fix things and now these non-profit basically volunteers or whatever at obs
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the developers are getting completely spammed with all these different issues that streamlabs obs is
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having and i guess like my first thought on this was when i read it i immediately thought i thought these were the same
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thing yeah i thought streamlabs obs was like this new more i thought it was their like monetized
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version of obs like you know i've said it's hyper hyper focused on being monetized and a lot of people describe
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it like that and i kind of just thought i was a and they look very right yeah i mean the
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name obs it's just so well known it's um that's the thing yeah the name is so well known and they that in that case
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they literally use the same name so like i when i'm first hearing their you know they're building a more monetized
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version of the same thing at first when they make these features like easier to use it's like oh this is
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a good thing they're like enabling more people to be a creator which i'm i'm in favor of democratizing the process and
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if you can make a version of obs that's more user-friendly and allows you to plug these things in and have a better
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stream you've made a great product then the malicious part comes in where you name it the same thing
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market it the same way and ultimately start taking the customers of those same companies yeah and then you keep doing it in other parts of streaming to various degrees of maliciousness
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uh not a great look but also to me i'm not a lawyer but it kind of seems like the perfect
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beginning of just suing this company i don't know if they're big enough to have that type of resources to do that know
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much about that i in one of obs statements they said that the stuff with the name they did legally but it just
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like is feels super unethical because of the fact that they reached out asked permission they didn't get permission
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and then did it anyways i just picture like you reading this to a judge so it's like okay so you had the company it was
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called obs yes okay and then what happened then this company reached out and asked if they could use our name and
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then what happened then we said no then what happened then they did it anyway then what happened then they
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started taking our customers because of all the confusion between the two products and the obvious infringement
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uh yeah that's a pretty bad look it's a really bad look i think and um just to like to prove that i'm not the total idiot here thinking that these are the same things some of the like biggest
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streamers on twitch also were like wait what this is not the same thing um ammunition hassan pokeman
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pokemon a lot of these some of these are partnered like pokeman has her face on the their web page
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being used because she's partnered with them and she thought it was also part of obs originally um so
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now you're seeing a bunch of them coming out saying they don't want to be supported or don't want to support streamlabs obs anymore there's a lot of
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really great um [Music] support and everything coming out for the original obs i'm glad
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they're finally getting their name out there and then all these like light stream and everything lots of support there there's even proof that streamlabs
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obs was paying for um targeted ads if you typed in obs studio oh well that's to come up on i have a picture of it in here so that's so much there's a lot of really shady stuff going on with
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streamlabs obs um there was there was a line somewhere in there where you could argue innocence like
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up to like up to the point of like we built these creator tools that are a little bit better and a little bit more
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targeted yeah and somewhere way way beyond that line is we paid for targeted ads so that when people search for your product they find ours they cross the line and spit on it on
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their way past that's terrible but yeah there's i mean like even more and more stuff's coming out and i highly suggest
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there's a um there's a youtube channel called eposvox eposvox that has a real a bunch of really good um explainers yes okay um he has a bunch of really good explainers on all of this we'll link it
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in the show notes i highly suggest watching it because he does a whole channel on like creating a streaming environment and being able to stream for
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yourself so he's been in this for a really long time highly suggested but if you've been
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seeing all this stuff popping up on twitter hopefully this is a little tldr i i don't think i got too into the weeds
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for it because there is more but at the same time i feel like i got a little too far so it's uh
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yeah i i've learned a lot about this i this kind of reminds me of a conversation i had a while ago i think
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youtube connected me to um it was like the head of one of one of the biggest advertising
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companies in the world okay and they were they're kind of doing everything right but they wanted like advice straight from a creator
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about like the donations they were making and the money they were spending on the products
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and i kind of didn't really have any good advice for him but uh one of the things they wanted to know is how to like better get themselves into the creator community and like they're
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really engaged fans and i said like keeping it as organic as possible and not really like spamming
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people and telling everyone about how great of a thing you're doing but really just making the good thing
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and then just letting people discover how good it is kind of works better every time for sure and
00:26:55
this whole story sounds kind of like the opposite of that where if you're gonna start doing all these
00:27:01
like somewhat shady things crossing way over the line of being like malicious yeah when people find out about all the stuff you've been doing it's going to be way
00:27:14
way worse than if you were upfront about it at the beginning for sure and they were i think very clearly
00:27:21
trying not to be found out they they pick their battles i mean they pick their batters battles well on
00:27:27
their end by they were people have known about this for a long time but the thing is unless you're in that super niche
00:27:32
category it's probably not gonna make it out and then what happens is eventually when this hits the the main streamers
00:27:39
and everyone using the broadcast who have those big audiences when this does get out about that and everything's
00:27:44
listed in basically a single twitter thread of like 10 different companies coming out being like yeah these guys
00:27:50
suck to work with and they stole our stuff it's all going to come by is that streamlabs site still alive at the same
00:27:56
time took it down they claimed it was a placeholder but like even as a placeholder it feels like a
00:28:02
really scummy thing like you use lorem ipsum or whatever if you have a placeholder you don't
00:28:07
copy word for word they're user ratings on the bottom i have a story i can i'm going to paraphrase and
00:28:13
take out the name so that i don't call anybody out about placeholders but uh a while ago a certain tech review company
00:28:25
published a review of a device with my b-roll footage over the top of their narration and immediately all the comments were like
00:28:38
why like they recognize the shots and the the hand and they're like why are these sometimes you see a shot by the
00:28:44
way some of you guys send me on twitter like a black hand holding something it's not always my hand like it's not always
00:28:50
me you don't have to send it to me but these are very clearly my clips and so like all the comments are like
00:28:55
sending it to me and tagging me like why are you using marquez's footage and then you know a couple hours later
00:29:00
it gets privated and i got a nice message saying oh sorry about that we actually sometimes
00:29:06
use clips from your reviews as placeholders as like inspiration for our editors to
00:29:13
go shoot stuff later somehow as an accident this one got posted are bad i've never heard of that sort of a policy before i couldn't believe it was real but i don't know about streamlabs saying
00:29:27
oh this was just a public placeholder for a while like we were going to take it down eventually no that's just
00:29:33
yours seems way less malicious it's just clearly like no no it's way less it's not like they were
00:29:39
trying to steal my viewership no no no no i appreciate and i appreciate how honest they were with you that was actually that this is this is clearly
00:29:46
malicious um and yeah and came and bit them in the butt i'm glad i did yeah i'm glad it did too yeah so next time i get a stream deck or any
00:29:57
sort of streaming software i want to get it from the right place this is good good to be on the right side of it for sure all right well next let's talk
00:30:03
about shooting google phones yeah uh a lot of them a lot of them so as a background uh we had the fun idea of reviewing every single iphone that's
00:30:14
ever come out from 1 through 13. yeah it's more than you think it's more than just 13 phones there is the the first
00:30:20
iphone then the 3g 3gs 4 4s but then you have 5 5s 6 7 8 there's 8 plus if you wanted
00:30:29
to do that then there's the 10 and then there's the 10s but then there's the 10s max and the 10r also and the se and then
00:30:36
the second genesis so there's a bunch of like little hits in there it ended up being a pretty big video
00:30:42
but uh underrated was how easy it was to get hands on all of these previous years
00:30:48
iphones and get them up and running on various versions of older software some of them were on launch software some of
00:30:54
them were like a couple updates in yes but we got them all and we got them all working
00:30:59
and that was a pleasure i asked in the in that video what other line of phones should i
00:31:06
like retrospective like look over a lot of them have interesting stories it could have been the samsung galaxy s
00:31:11
series from s1 through s22 next year could have been i don't know you could look at one plus one through one plus whatever nine we're at now one plus nine pro but ultimately we landed on every
00:31:23
google phone which is i guess starting with the g1 we go a little before the g1 when you
00:31:30
see this video we have the prototypes in there but we got our hands on the g1 and then you go nexus one through nexus
00:31:38
five nexus six and then the nexus seven was a tablet so one through six p and then it switched
00:31:44
to pixel pixel one through pixel six yeah so all the nexuses all the pixels and this process was much more difficult far more difficult much more difficult so number
00:31:57
one uh when you buy a phone uh a little part in the back of your head is like in three or four years am i gonna be able to sell this and
00:32:08
that might not be a thought iphone users have because they're notoriously really good at holding their value yes you can
00:32:14
kind of always buy any year of iphone within the past like five years and that means you can kind of always sell any
00:32:20
year of iphone within like five years so we had no problem getting them uh they were more expensive but
00:32:27
because they resell so well yeah it was clearly more expensive to buy the apple phones and the condition of all the
00:32:32
iphones was very i'll say stable like the worst thing about any of them was i think the 3gs the screen glue had cracked a lot and so eventually if i
00:32:44
wanted to i could have ripped the screen off but i didn't and so the home button that whole carriage was a little loose
00:32:50
on that phone what was the green one the five the green one was the m5c that one was a little messed up because the like material was a bit different there it clearly had a case on it that yeah um so like some of the green was
00:33:03
off colored from the other green but same thing actually happened with the 6s plus that was the rose gold one right oh
00:33:10
it was a silver one sorry the six plus one of the silver larger phones where you could tell there was an
00:33:16
otterbox case on it because there was like a circle of darker silver where it had been exposed for the apple logo cut
00:33:22
out oh yeah cause they all used to have the circle on the back yeah the rest of the phone was pristine uh bigger variety with the google phones
00:33:29
yeah so we've got we again we got like a couple of each one i think we have two different g1s in here now we have a
00:33:35
nexus one um i don't know what do you want to start with you had the most strong yes before i was
00:33:41
though i was getting them all ready to make sure we had all of them like um so first of all i dug through the drawer
00:33:47
and we actually had way more than i was expecting so for i like we like to keep phones around generally for one or two
00:33:54
generations just in case we have to reference the previous generation but if something's super nostalgic we'll keep
00:33:59
it yeah so i've cleaned up that phone drawer a bunch of times and there's actually a lot of google phones we've saved just because of kind of how
00:34:06
ridiculous they are or how nostalgic they are and you being somebody who's mained your android for so long like you
00:34:12
probably have a little more of a connection to google phones so we had quite a few
00:34:18
when i was going through all of them two of the ones we had had boot looping issues so that's always fun two of the
00:34:24
ones we had had boot looping issues so that's always fun two of the ones we had had boot looping issues so that's always
00:34:30
fun but kind of expected so i think it was a nexus 6 and a 5 5x right 5x i think was the one yeah the one with the center camera yeah so we had two of those bootloop couldn't get
00:34:43
them to work i honestly didn't try that hard because i just expected that to happen
00:34:49
it's kind of over like i i read about we're doing all this research also for the videos and we're like oh right the
00:34:55
lg nexuses did have boo looping issues but i never had any with mine and then we take it out the draw and turn it on and it's like all right time to boot
00:35:01
loop all right there it is so i went through i ordered everything so we needed a couple pixels we got the the
00:35:08
pixel one in blue which is like it's hot i remember taking we were taking it out of the box and we were like
00:35:14
this is kind of wild but you know it actually looks a bit better and then we flipped it over like why are the bezels white this looks ridiculous it's the
00:35:21
best buy phone that blue and white yeah right it was kind of kind of bad but then i
00:35:26
think the weirdest one we got was the nexus 4 because as soon as i took it out of the box it
00:35:32
was like sticky yeah it has like these rubberized sides that i was trying to figure this one out so
00:35:38
nexus 4 was right around the time of like iphone 6 or 5 where there was antenna gate issues okay and apple started giving out for free
00:35:52
these adhesive bumper cases where you didn't cover the front of the back of the phone but it was a bumper that would
00:35:58
just go around the sides of the rail and so you put that on the phone and if you left it on for long enough it would just kind of like become part of the phone
00:36:03
yeah if you ever rip it off all that adhesive would stay like on the phone because it wasn't very high quality glue
00:36:09
and i wonder if there were so many of those types of cases out in the wild that android manufacturers were also
00:36:15
inspired to offer bumper cases and a lot of nexus 4s ended up in bumpers but i'm not sure if that explains how much glue is on right it was like really so i think i put it in my pocket one of
00:36:27
the days i was trying to i mean spoiler alert it also had a boo moving issue on one that we bought i spent lg probably
00:36:34
four days on like it felt like i was living in my 20s again because i was on these like android forums from post
00:36:41
eight years ago if anyone if you saw my tweet over last week it was me in the middle of frustration trying to get this
00:36:47
thing to not boot loop because we really wanted to shoot this this video probably would have been done last week if that
00:36:53
phone would just turn on um but i do think you might be right about the bumper case because the back of this
00:36:59
phone's very different also it's it almost in itself is like a different material that feels not as breakable so
00:37:07
the bumper case would work perfect right the back of the nexus 4 was glass uh it didn't have wireless charging it
00:37:13
did have a speaker slot on the back but it was like this kind of a shimmery glass it had like a pattern on it yeah
00:37:18
the square pattern it was kind of one of the most interesting looking glass nexuses i think so that was pretty cool this is definitely interesting looking
00:37:24
um we're clearly not the only one with that sticky issue i have a picture in the dock here this was the next phone we
00:37:31
were about to buy when we had the boot looping issues and it was a nexus 4 that looks like it got put in the microwave
00:37:38
or something it is disgusting yeah that can't be bumpers that's just a weird material so it was rubberized it's
00:37:45
rubberized i still think you might be right about bumpers and maybe just those rubbers deteriorating and
00:37:50
those bumpers may have helped increase the deterioration of it um but we did finally get one i got to
00:37:57
the point where i was a little too worried to order online wait like four days only to have it coming in boot loop so i somehow found
00:38:03
one on facebook marketplace two hours away last friday we're recording on monday right now because
00:38:08
we're it's thanksgiving weekend and we're recording a little ahead so i drove two hours it took me two hours to
00:38:14
get back home so this is like a four hour commute picked it up from this guy awesome jose shout out it was uh i made
00:38:22
i like this poor guy probably thought i was a lunatic he i was like can you please charge it to make sure it's working like
00:38:28
everything's working right it boots it goes into it he even set it up with like no account so that i could
00:38:34
look at it before i gave him the money show it show it all working and it worked okay and
00:38:39
over the last three days i have basically been acting like this thing is uh you know and like when school they give
00:38:46
you a bag of flour and it's your baby and you have to make sure it doesn't die like i've been it's precious it's life
00:38:51
support on this thing because i'm so scared if it dies before we record this video it's going to boot loop yeah so it
00:38:58
was kind of scary how how consistent the lg nexus is it was the lg nexus 4 lg nexus 5x was it all and that's i think
00:39:06
the you said the six also boot looped that was the motor the regular six yeah so nexus 6 was the big shamu motorola
00:39:12
phone that one i think did it in a kind of different way rather than the boot animation it went into the optimizing
00:39:18
apps thing and did that for three hours and then killed itself um so not as good yeah i'll still call that boot looping maybe it's like technically a different term but yeah it's i've
00:39:28
really felt like i was back in my old days of like rooting phones i had nexus toolkit open trying to fix this thing
00:39:35
yeah it's been it's been a lot trying to get this working but we finally have everything ready we've shot a really cool intro for it
00:39:42
it's fun been looking back at all these phones it's also like you said lg htc motorola has made all these different
00:39:48
ones so when you look down the iphone list they all look kind of the same when you look down this they're totally
00:39:55
differently different it seemed like like google had like a two-year contract or something that they would go into
00:40:00
every negotiation with where it's like can you do nexus this year all right to your contract cool great and then they
00:40:06
would just do two years and the next one would go uh we don't want to do it anymore all right you do you want to do nexus this year and they go up they did
00:40:12
let's see huawei htc motorola yeah all over the map and so yeah it doesn't look very uniform samsung was the exact nexus s and galaxy nexus everyone's dipped their toes in
00:40:24
the next everyone's gotten on board and that was the other funny thing so i was thinking about my question would be
00:40:31
and there's a different answer for iphone or google phone but how old of a phone in this lineup could you go back
00:40:37
to and still be fine and i think with the iphone for me i could go back to the iphone 6 plus yeah as long as i don't bend it
00:40:51
and i know people who are still on sixes yeah my parents are i'm sevens actually okay
00:40:56
and i with the google phone i was thinking like i loved the nexus one but i don't think i could use it every day i really like that phone but i don't think not now we're way too far away from that
00:41:07
yeah yeah so i was looking back i think i could go back to the 6p yeah the huawei metal body phone i love it pretty good
00:41:18
battery life like decent camera i remember i remember specifically shooting that review
00:41:23
in a breather space in new york city like so pumped about this phone i had the white one so it was kind of a panda one also before the real panda phones um how back how far back could you go do
00:41:35
you think daily i mean if we're talking about google phones i didn't have one until pixel three so i don't recall
00:41:40
these as much i do recall though wanting the six piece so bad yeah but i was on like a family plan on verizon and i couldn't do it but i had like i'm a didn't see if it was available got
00:41:52
super into like doing a bunch of research on it i loved it i wanted i already designed
00:41:57
my do you remember the custom cases you could make for them that at the customizable button on the back yep
00:42:03
i made one of those with this like calvin and hobbes picture my cousin drew of me and mac and i like put it on the
00:42:09
case i had the whole thing ready and then i went to buy it and there wasn't a verizon option and i was like yeah
00:42:15
yeah my that's that's my verizon uh my carrier story which is like in the beginning of when i got really into phones i was on my family verizon plan or whatever
00:42:25
and yeah these phones don't come out for verizon basically so yeah the first iphone comes out it's a singular exclusive great nobody has it i think
00:42:32
one kid i forgot about that yeah it was singular first and then 18t so yeah so i couldn't get most of the early iphones i think they finally made a verizon iphone 5 or 5s or something
00:42:43
and i started to get on board and check him out but um the the only phone that i've ever
00:42:49
waited in line for like i stood outside of a store in the cold behind several people to wait in line in hoboken was for the verizon samsung galaxy nexus
00:43:02
weirdly that phone had a lot of hype there was like actual like real energy i think it was like seventh or eighth in
00:43:08
line and it was a weird experience i've never waited for an hour awesome people love like waiting in line for iphones it's a whole thing they'll camp out
00:43:14
there with a whole bunch of other fellow enthusiasts it's a whole it's a vibe i get it i'm not going to be out there but you were a nerd in that i gather exactly
00:43:22
those are nerds yeah this was the verizon store like this wasn't the google store we're all hyped for that
00:43:27
this is the verizon store we're all dreading going inside but we all want the phone so yeah i remember that pretty clearly i
00:43:33
missed i missed class for it but i got my phone and uh it was a good time it was definitely worth it that's kind of
00:43:39
awesome one of the fun ones that's um yeah i've never waited for a phone i can say that i kind of wish i used more i
00:43:46
think i could use the 6p now good it's similar size to everything i still think the pixel 6 should have just bumped the
00:43:53
camera whatever bumper we're calling it now like up to be kind of like a 6p i've
00:43:59
been saying that for a while yeah like i think they should redo the 6p because it didn't have any camera
00:44:05
wobble when it was on the table because it was just kind of this wedge shape yeah and then this pixel six is kind of
00:44:10
similar bigger but if they just pop that up on the top and made it flush it would have been exactly what i've been asking for for a while i think it might be an
00:44:17
internals i don't care i'm not talking logically i'm talking what i want yeah just bend the rules of physics yep create what i'm asking for and then no one gets hurt
00:44:29
that's not a threat it might also be uh called nexus 6p because the silhouette was shaped like a p
00:44:36
if that's not the real reason it is now we are putting that into the history books in my review i said it was for
00:44:41
premium but i'm i'm saying it was because it's still changing it yeah all right revisionist history yeah i liked
00:44:47
it though um i think weirdly enough the 5x was one of the best looking phones in the when we were doing our
00:44:53
robot shot which like since it comes from top to bottom the way the light hit everything would glare
00:44:59
over it and kind of change how every phone looked and despite the 5x looking pretty basic for whatever reason in that
00:45:06
shot i think it was the coolest looking phone out of all of them yeah yeah it was good and i do also miss
00:45:11
all the black for some reason google and black and white phones just look really good that's the panda the stormtrooper
00:45:18
the panda or whatever else you want to call it i think i say this in the video pixel 2 was the peak
00:45:24
so good orange powder the power button that hot power button really big fan of that
00:45:30
and then it sort of just got more generic after that as it went on it really did and unfortunately why i don't
00:45:36
even get why you would put orange on black and white but it worked so well and it was just like universally loved
00:45:42
yeah yeah i think that was memorable one of the other weird things when you get the phone back in hand is you sort of remember how small they were the next i
00:45:49
still think that the nexus one was a really nice form factor but right after that they started
00:45:55
curving the screen on the phone did you know that not so we've got them all in hand i think there's two nexuses in a row
00:46:01
galaxy nexus and nexus s both had a curved screen from top to bottom yeah there's a couple other phones i reviewed
00:46:07
that also had curved screens and i think it was something about like holding up to your face
00:46:13
your thumb can reach more or something i don't know if that's really like that true but they stopped curving it
00:46:18
very shortly after that but that was a little samsung curved screen thing for a little while i don't know i don't know if there was any merit to that i'm not
00:46:25
sure i don't think there was or else they'd still be doing it that's true um but yeah the whole thing was super
00:46:30
interesting i still think the craziest part is we should have gotten a shot of it maybe we still kind of like if you
00:46:35
just line up iphone start to finish it just really looks like an actual progressive
00:46:41
like path and when you line up the google phones from start to finish it just looks like we found 15 random
00:46:47
phones and threw them in a pile yeah one of them looks like a family portrait and the other one looks like a
00:46:53
like an extended family portrait like third cousins yeah yeah yeah and the neighbors came over yeah it's all kinds of all kinds of stuff shapes in there um but it's it's a good time definitely
00:47:04
watch that video until i tried to turn it a little more story based like i can i can review all the phones obviously
00:47:09
and that that exercise gets a little bit uh a little bit much after that many phones so stringing together like the story of what is a google phone anyway like we
00:47:21
had google far more we had like the juxtaposition of the google phone and then the same phone
00:47:28
from the manufacturer that it was based on at the same time um and so eventually all coalescing into
00:47:35
what we have now which is pixel six designed by google made by google chipped by google software by google i
00:47:40
think was fun to portray in one huge video yeah for sure so if it's out by the time you listen it should be should be it should be so something wrong it's not i really hope it is um check that
00:47:53
video out it should be a good one but other than that pretty chill week i hope everybody's having a good uh holiday
00:47:58
week yeah and everyone should definitely follow the studio channel the main channel the podcast because we have all
00:48:05
our end of year stuff coming up in december and not only are you gonna get the videos you all love every year but now you're
00:48:11
gonna have behind the scenes stuff with it as well yeah i'm really excited to kind of show off how we do everything it's a fun one yeah for sure all right
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