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[Music] all right welcome back to another episode of the waveform podcast we're your hosts i'm marquez and i'm andrew and today we got a bunch of interesting
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quirky things to talk about that have happened in the past week one of them would be the fastest charging we've ever
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seen one of them would be the fastest car we've ever seen and a bunch more stuff in between
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um also you might have noticed we've got a little bit of a new intro vibe the new music's feeling
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pretty good shout out to vayne still who's obviously extremely talented he's made videos he's made music in mkbhd videos before uh just
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leveling up covering the podcast too the guy is incredible yeah and a big shout out to cameron barlow who
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made the original music um i think we've told the story but he was one of the first people to ever send us music when
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we started wave form and everything we got sent after that was nowhere close to us good so we crushed it
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og waveform music we're uh taking a new chapter but big shout out to him because
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that was that was huge two years almost i think that was going so now so you've got you've got all you
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wrote here is andrew rant about pixel 4 xl i have no idea what you're ranting about but yeah the stage is
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just gonna like all right we all first of all let's the elephant out of the room i'm still using a pixel 4xl
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just because you work here doesn't mean you've got like literally that i mean marquez does but like we're all
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not reviewing the phones as much as marquez i'm using it i like it i like the phone it's been
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good i didn't love the pixel 5 but but it is out of all the phones i've had in my entire life it has caused me the most issues ever like hands down out of everything i've ever had okay um
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and right now i'm at the point where i can't use it unless it's plugged in and this kind of stems i think all from possibly the same issue but i'll i'll go
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back like a couple months ago to whatever i was not first had my like big issue with right not just software bugs you mean like problematic
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i don't believe it's software at all so the first thing that started happening was probably four or five months ago i
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noticed the back glass was like a little off on the top and i noticed it because i had a skin on the phone and i was like oh the skin just looks way too thick and i realized it was
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actually because the glass was starting to peel off and at first it didn't seem that bad it just looked like a little lip and i didn't
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think anything of it but fast forward maybe a month from there and that lip now has a gap in it so just the whole back glass on the phone is like completely peeling off and that was
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because of the battery swap i don't know what that was because of i have no reason i don't know exactly
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what it was but there was enough of a gap that i could see lint had gotten inside of the phone and inside of the camera
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lenses i can't think of any other reason for the back glass of the phone to literally rip out of the glue and come off the
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back of the phone i had seen some things um online of people having similar issues and
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some of their thoughts one was battery swelling um another thought was just potentially
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heat or something just making the adhesive like not good enough to where the adhesive is now just coming
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off and not keeping the glass on the phone anymore um because of that my solution to it was to
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put a drop of super glue on the top and then start using a case i haven't used the case in a while but
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i've been a case person mostly because of that because even with like the super glue if it if it fixed it
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i've pretty much lost confidently waterproofing the phone anymore right like there's no reason if
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that seal is broken don't get that anywhere near what yeah exactly so i i mean that in itself i've been much more
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careful with the phone so then maybe three months ago my next problem started where
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i was using my phone one day and it was at 50 and the battery my phone just turned off
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as i was using it i thought that was really strange um clearly it was at 50 i don't know what happened
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and i plug it in and i get this battery icon with a question mark on it and that never ever feels like a good
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sign a battery icon with a question mark yeah so like the black screen normally when you plug it in you
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get like a red battery icon for your phone being dead which it shouldn't have been because it said fifty percent but i got just a question mark battery
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safety shutoff is gonna yeah i guess i am still not 100 sure what it was but so my solution that night when it happened was okay i'm just going to plug it in and
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i'm going to leave it overnight and it's going to charge i was it was close to bedtime and i wasn't quite i didn't feel like
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finagling with it for that long um wake up the next morning and it still says i turn it on it says 50 i was like there
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is absolutely no way this could be physically plugged in the entire night and still be at 50
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battery and i don't know what i eventually did to fix it but it started working i eventually got it to the point where when i turned it off and plugged it in it had the red battery icon with a
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percentage so i knew it was at least charging which to me that was a step up because it hadn't been doing that before fast
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forward to the next time it happens a couple weeks later and i started researching a bit more what's going on people are saying that there's
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something wrong with the battery connection itself and that the battery is fine but the
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connection and the reporting to the phone is what's messing up so in that process
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one of the fixes which i can't believe i even tried because just reading it online seemed so dumb it was turn your phone on which it has
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to be plugged in to turn on turn your phone on turn bluetooth off i don't know what this part accomplishes but turn off bluetooth
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unplug your phone turn it off and then you an inch from the bottom and an inch to
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the right you press your thumb as hard as possible on the back of the phone and then you plug it in and it starts
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charging and it worked i didn't really question it i kind of was hoping it was a one-time thing but then it's about two weeks after that happened again i did the trick it worked
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i did the trick probably four or five times until last night finally same thing phone it's really weird when
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it does it too because like the phone starts stuttering a bunch and like feels like you're just like out of storage almost
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or like it's it feels like a really old phone and then just dies i feel like i understand your problem i feel like i get it if i had to guess
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uh this is it just started with your battery like having some sort of problem swelling up a little bit so the battery swells up right off the bat there should probably
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theoretically be some safety protocols in place when a phone detects that it's battery's having problems because nobody wants
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that bad pr of like yeah it just swelled up and exploded in my pocket so i'm guessing once that happened and
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separated your back the phone realized at some point battery's not okay and started limiting what it allows the battery to do if you realize the battery's having a problem
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don't allow that to charge to 100 don't allow that to get to zero don't let that battery discharge too
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fast so when your phone starts stuttering it's probably limiting the battery so much the voltage of the parts is also going down
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i bet if you replace just the battery of that phone everything is back to normal i agree
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with your solution but i don't think that's exactly what's happening and the reason i don't think it's
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limiting it to like charge 100 or like you're saying you think it's dying at 50 because it doesn't want it
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to go to zero right yeah i'm saying it's limiting what the battery is physically able to do for safety reasons
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i think the battery itself at least in the sense of it's still getting to 100 because i
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charged it to 100 plenty of times when it wasn't doing that and every time the couple times when it like uh at 50
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died and i got to fix like within a couple minutes did the trick and got it to turn on again yeah the
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battery is completely dead so i think it's losing some sort of connection and its default is
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just set it at fifty percent battery dead or did it just auto shut off for safety it it's dead because when i
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would plug it in and get it to work it was at red battery one percent battery so i think there's a problem with the
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uh the connection and the way it's reading the battery level and then probably being safe and
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shutting off or i don't even know it's definitely dying it's 100 dying because i'm getting one percent battery
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there's no way it's like yeah uh that would that's what the solution seems to be google will
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apparently uh rma it but when you're in a pinch i wanted it to work and i just kept doing the trick which is probably the best bad thing to do and now it keeps doing that so now i have to figure something
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out i would have bailed the second it started swelling the battery i still don't know if the battery's selling but i am 100 today after
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recording this going to open the phone up and see what's going on and there i'll post pictures on twitter or something like
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that yeah but i'm kind of excited to see what's in there well speaking of dangerous batteries
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segway we've got a story and it's really just a tweet but xiaomi tweeted um or actually ice
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universe tweeted this but it's a xiaomi video uh xiaomi released and when we say release that's in air quotes they've
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demonstrated this technical ability to do 200 watt wireless charging no wired sorry 200 watt wired charging and 120 wireless charging which again those are some crazy numbers
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but to put them in context uh samsung's fast charging right now is 25 watts okay wait really yes 25 watts um some of the fastest charging in any phones right now would be your 65 watt fast charging
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and oppo do 120 very bleeding edge highest end there may be a phone or two that supports 100 or 120 watt fast charging which is crazy fast wasn't
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uh the lenovo won that but you had you had to put two wires plug in both at once which is insane and
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beautiful for a video thumbnail yeah um this one 200 watt wired charging is uh i think they demonstrated on a
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4600 milliamp hour battery or something like that literally they plug it in and i'm i'm
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not even exaggerating within 45 seconds you've gotten 10 percent battery you can watch the battery percentage go up in 45 seconds to 10 percent the whole thing's done in 100 and eight
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minutes zero zero to 108 minutes now obviously cool all right great you've demonstrated this crazy ability to pump huge voltage through that wire and
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through that port and into that battery what's the catch which is like the xiaomi is not going to tell you the catches might catch on fire i think i honestly think they've probably
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mitigated the catching on fire part it's easy to make jokes about it's gonna explode and like it's never gonna work i just think the
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the discharge rate is gonna be just as fast like how long does that battery last yeah like overall lifetime overall
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lifetime and like how many charge cycles you can have but also in like daily use i think so do you
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think it affects i think it might affect the overall discharge time of the battery in day-to-day use if you can up charge
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that fast then you can output that same speed i don't know this for a fact i just know that there has to
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be a catch there's got to be it's got to be my initial thought would be the catch's battery life not like not day to day but
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just overall in general like yeah health great way but i also think what's crazy about this is
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120 watt wireless charging is now the fastest we've seen wired charging in wireless form yep instead i almost feel like when you reach down to pick it up you're gonna like feel the energy
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[Applause] like a little like force field of just like power around it like what happens this phone already gets i'm holding a oneplus 9 pro for audio listeners uh but you should you should check out
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the youtube version uh this phone when it wireless charges it gets warm yeah and i put it on this
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wireless charger and the oneplus wireless charger has fans in it so it's blowing those fans while it's charging quickly to keep the
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temperatures down because it knows that wireless charging just gives off a lot of heat it's not super efficient
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so when you pump that much water what's the wattage on the one plus um that's a good question was it
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probably 75 a little less than that i think uh 50 watt wireless charger okay so but it gets warm and like to the touch this is more than double that yeah i take the phone off the charger
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and i'm like wow this is this is kind of kind of toasty and i i wonder when you take that phone off of the 120
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wireless charger if you can just like immediately crack an egg and fry it on the back of that phone because
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that's something that's something else wasn't it uh it was like the htc ultra that mirror finish one where the press kit
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came with a white glove because of how many fingerprints i feel like this charger is going to come with a glove just or uh
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what are those fireplace tongs that you put the like the log in with yeah yeah this will be interesting
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xiaomi does this a lot and we don't necessarily get to see it happen in a phone like we might not have
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200 watt wired charging in a phone this year but it's cool that they're pushing that limit my question is
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are we going to get to a point where it doesn't matter how fast it charges anymore if every phone charges at 150 watts are
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we are we good do we do we stop never you keep going 300 watts 400 watts when is it going what point do you just like tap it on something and you just have full battery again
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it's it's that weird i think the better version of this future of battery check is long
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range wireless charging so that you're almost always at 80 everywhere you go i think that's like in room wireless charging would be really cool yeah because then you don't have to worry about my phone battery is low let
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me go to a charger i think this plugging in in a wire will eventually be an old version of what we think of what charging used to be and now or not now in the future we
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won't really think about charging ever because we'll always be somewhere near this wireless charging happening
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now again the what's the catch question always comes up with that like is that safe if it's always radiating to our
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bodies is it going to be a problem will my phone get warm in my pocket as it's charging i don't i don't know all
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the answers here but i imagine with all the downsides of both of these versions i would rather
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have my phone always at eighty percent rather than going from zero to 102 seconds it
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just seems crazy i mean i would also just like a a better built battery where i can fit
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10 000 milliamp hours in the size of a phone that is right now i feel like at some point we're going to stop improving the charging tech and the
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batteries just have to improve as well but do you have a um a lowest speed you'll go or a highest
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speed like i don't really have goals for batteries anymore like i feel like they're good we work in a situation where battery
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charge is like almost never an issue like i rarely find situations where batteries that big of a deal i guess like if i were going camping or something or hiking and or a long day
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out or ultimate tournament which i don't do anymore but that's when it i would ever really push
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it but at this point i don't know yeah i never really get towards the end unless it says 50
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and it's not really and then just does so yeah i just i'm imagining xiaomi going oh we did it again now we
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have 300 wireless wired charging and it goes zero to a hundred percent in six minutes flat
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great it sounds like it sounds like it's more of a headline for a while until uh then it won't be
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kind of like uh why can't i remember dxomark oh dxomark great headline dixon it doesn't really matter anymore batteries start doing battery charging
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ratings until you get over that actually sounds way more interesting than what they're actually doing
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why i would just like to see if they could scientifically just test how it's affecting battery health
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and how fast it's actually charging and then how it's charging at different percentages and stuff like that and give
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it a an overall score it's a much less subjective rating system also because like
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the biggest complaint with dxomark is that it's like pretty subjective to what they think is a good photo and right
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it's scientifically driven based on their subjective viewpoint so battery can't really be yeah either
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last sword doesn't yeah i think this video literally i mean you can you can plot out on a chart the zero
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to 100 percent battery which is like it goes real fast at the beginning like i said 10 in 45 seconds and then evens out and you're done in eight minutes and i just i can't imagine much faster
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than that being particularly useful but great i'm glad xiaomi's getting there maybe put it in a phone
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uh speaking of zero to 100 real quick i'm on a roll um rimac concept 2 which has now been renamed to the rimac nevera the vera so the concept ii uh started
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making a little bit of press runs they've been they've been working on this car for a long time for those unfamiliar the rimac concept 2
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or the rimac navera we we did a video on the concept one which is a million and a half dollar tiny supercar you know mega hyper car
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that's fully electric very tiny very electric very fast they are made they only made
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like eight of them they're making a larger run of these but they're gonna be 1900 horsepower massive power
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four motors one at each wheel and these are going to be hyper cars and uh they've been calling it the
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concept too and they're starting to like get to finishing development on it and they've been saying like oh we're at 85
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power we're at 90 power we're almost done um i saw a car wow video where they now
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have done a drag race with the the navera and the ferrari sf90 and again i just want to give context because the sf 90 it's not a million dollar hyper car but that's just about as fast as a as a car gets
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today um we are looking at the fastest ever production quarter mile times of like any street
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car ever made and i think it's like top three of all time it gets 0 to 60 in like 2.3 seconds
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it gets to the quarter mile in well under 10 seconds uh it beats the mclaren 765 lt off the
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line it's like a half million car it's incredible um this car makes it look like a toy
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it literally blows past it and the the crazy part is like the sf90 is a hybrid it's got this great launch and then it combines the electric motors with gas power this this navera did not have a problem
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with it so if you watch that video it does 0 to 60 in 1.85 seconds oh my god i mean we're getting to the point where production cars now have to be we have
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to look at the hundredth of a second to like kind of really differentiate now because roadster is claiming 1.9 right
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so 1.85 it clearly wants the headline over roadster which also how long until roadster gets a software
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update and they're trying to beat that the thing about that time is you are basically approaching the limits
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of traction with rubber tires so when you say 1.9 versus 1.85 it's like on a perfect prepped surface with the
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exact right battery and the perfect launch that's as fast as you can go with motors
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wait quick question with electric is there such thing as like a non-perfect launch yeah and you just don't have good
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traction like a bad circumstance okay you're saying pure grip not actually like people go to a prepped drag strip with sticky tires
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and a sticky like launch environment and they can maximize traction almost artificially because the streets
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aren't like that and they will get 1.9 seconds but on the street it's never going to be that fast you're always
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hunting for traction on street surfaces the point is um it's not going to get much faster
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than this with with uh with just tires so i think roadster is using some tricks well what's funny about that is and what i think is funny about one of the things i read about this is because of how fast that is and
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because of how powerful that is there they have this like driving ai and like a built-in driving coach that inside the car
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teaches you how to properly handle the car because it assumes people just straight up cannot handle that and it's
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a it's coming at 2.4 million dollars and only 150 made so so it's like don't mess it up you
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need to teach someone how to drive this you know when gender did that uh fighter pilot like ride-along they had
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like a two-seater basically remember they had like a two-seater uh jet that you get to ride along and you have to
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learn to like contract your leg muscles to keep the blood above your heart and like breathe a certain way to stay not
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blacking out like if you need to give lessons to people you probably shouldn't be selling it
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i mean there's only 150 of these but like we kind of had this conversation like let's assume
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we get to the technology where tires can handle it and these can go faster at what point does the human driving it
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become the limiter of how fast i know i know there's got to be an actual answer to this right there's got to be some
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physicists out there that can it would just be how many g's you can handle right like how before you just pass out
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they were saying uh the zero to 16 1.1 with the spacex roadster with the with the like cool rocket thrusters on the back is like two and a half g's
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and it's fine because it's two and a half lateral g's so if you just get kicked in the back
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and you just just get shoved forward at two and a half g's you'll you won't black out but you'll really feel it
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but humans don't really go too far past two and a half g's like on a regular basis
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ever at what point does the 0-60 still count if it self-drives the passed out human in the
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driver's seat past 60 gets the time and then someone has to like give cpr to if you win the race you win the race i
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bet that would still hit a headline okay i think we i think we covered everything yeah
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i mean i'll just i'll toss in there uh top speed 258 miles an hour 20 kilowatt hour battery pack is that
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right that's what i pulled from the article that doesn't seem right also it just looks
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really nice wait 200 kilowatt hour battery pack or did i just i hope it's 200 because 20
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would you'd empty that in one drag race 120 kilowatt hour battery pack okay oh i
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missed the one that'll that'll do it 120 i mean the the current top of the range stuff
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that that number still means not much to me because i haven't experienced living with an electric car
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so that that's just total size of battery pack i just don't know what is a uh yeah i mean so the the older teslas
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that were 75 d were a 75 kilowatt hour battery pack then they had the 80d the 85 plus that was always the number
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of the kilowatt hours so then they had p100d whereas i do understand that i just always okay yeah 100 is like the standard right
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now but the future stuff will be over that i have i can't get a concept of how big this car is it does look bigger than the
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other one but the other one was like under your waist tiny and then lengthwise this looks like
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much longer and much more similar to i mean maybe what we assume roadster is going to be like
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it looks really good too yeah from the one time i saw roadster in person it's not a small car i mean
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it's a low car but it is like aventador big like it's still got some length to it uh this to me
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looks somewhere in between or what about like original roadster original roadster is
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tinier it's much smaller okay yeah so it's it's gonna be a it's gonna be a like huracan plus this one for context yeah i think so but either way i'll probably never drive
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it i mean if if if rimac wants to get one out here to the studio didn't he like tweet at you or something he did want us to get our hands on one and i would happily do a whole autofocus
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video with it living with it there's only 150 customers that can even care about something like this but i
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would have to i would assume at best at best he'd give it to you on like a track or something i would do that
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but yeah that sounds awesome that sounds fun sick all right speaking of electric things moving fast
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tesla is constantly changing their cars constantly changing their cars this is something we've talked about in tesla
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videos in the past i made a video about how you can look at it multiple ways but tesla doesn't have
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model year numbers it's so traditional to just have a 2020 2021 2022 and every single car you get
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from that model year is based on the same thing plus options yeah tesla doesn't do that they will refresh the tech when it's
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ready and they are constantly rolling out micro adjustments to software and hardware tweaking things
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adding ventilated seats changing the head rests lumbar support random things will just change in the car and you just kind of get the car
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based on when you bought it um and it seems like the way people generally find out about a lot of these
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small ones is through forms like reddit or twitter or something like that where they're like
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no there's like in there okay there's three ways i would say that people find out about the changes to the cars one is and none of them are through
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tesla yeah like sharing it themselves uh one will be elon will respond to a customer about something on
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twitter like hey my car has this harness did you what is this new and it'll go yeah all the cars produced
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after november 2020 have this new thing uh two will just be yeah like a subreddit post or somebody spying a car
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somewhere that has a new feature on it or there's a lot of people who take delivery realize something's different and then
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it's people confirming that with their new deliveries and then they use the vin number to to kind of when it works if yeah if
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your car will have it based on exactly so you know once in a while the configurator changes and you see a
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substantial difference but a lot of times this stuff is just kind of quietly happening so the latest one is like it was a just
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the right combination of changes to make a nice headline where tesla's prices went up a little bit and then they removed like one or two
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features which is awesome price fluctuations something we're used to as well with them all the time hitting two of
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those like you said perfect storm price goes up something gets removed big old headlights yeah uh this one was a little more interesting uh that they're getting rid
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of radar in their cars and i thought this was more than just like a micro adjustment
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this is actually sort of future looking as far as their reading the headline as someone who doesn't know
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is specifically what radar does or own a tesla it feels like a huge huge headline it's
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really interesting getting rid of radar um yeah i didn't know much about it so i quickly just like googled it and
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the tesla subreddit is pretty pretty awesome just like a bunch of people owners going back and forth about it i
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usually like to read that before i read some articles and top comment was uh let's see it's
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because their current radar is beyond useless for anything other than acc which i also don't know what that means
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active cruise control okay um it says radars from 2010 has major issues distinguishing stopped
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objects has a very only forward and low field of view low resolution and low resolution and range and can can't classify objects and then it also in the like rain and
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snow has a hard time yeah okay i have some thoughts on this okay um and they're a little bit mixed
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because i understand the vision that's a pun um tesla is moving mostly entirely in the future towards a hundred percent vision-based autopilot which means they
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will only use the cameras on the car for sensing what's around the car and steering and driving
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reading signs seeing cars recognizing objects on the road all that will happen through the cars
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cameras on the front cameras on the side cameras on the back um and this is something that's been like a
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sticking point in like different uh company's strategies for autopilot so waymo for example will use
00:28:06
high-resolution maps and sensors on the car we did that ride in las vegas where we rode around in a taxi that was entirely you know driverless yeah nx and that was
00:28:18
using high resolution maps and it was a cool demo but if you ask elon about it he would say that's useful
00:28:24
in that one high resolution mapped area but it's not broadly applicable for the entire globe
00:28:30
you can't high resolution map the whole world if you just want to go down a trail somewhere just have your car drive you
00:28:36
to the grocery store it has to work everywhere so their tesla strategy has always been
00:28:41
we're going to use all the sensors on the car and just look at what's around and and map our way through whatever
00:28:46
situation we're in and the car will be smart enough to understand it now going vision only and removing radar
00:28:53
seems smart because it should be able to use visual cues to identify everything and like they mentioned radar can't
00:28:59
identify stop signs radar can't really tell what's a car and what's a truck that's all happening from the cameras
00:29:05
but i found radar to be a useful extra sensor for a couple small things one is that
00:29:12
low field of view has notoriously bounced underneath the car in front of me to see
00:29:18
the car in front of the car in front of me and show that car on the map so if that car breaks my car
00:29:24
already knows before the car in front of me breaks it's gonna start to get ready to break just in case like
00:29:29
it's got a better vision in inclement weather this is something uh i guess it's a
00:29:35
little controversial but like cameras can get frosted you know ice over them cameras can have a hard time
00:29:40
in the snow and radar doesn't have nearly as much of a problem with rain and snow
00:29:46
um it's still you know very rudimentary and low resolution at seeing the car in front of you in the car next to you but
00:29:51
at least it's seeing something where a camera might miss it so i always felt like radar assisted vision was
00:29:58
pretty much the right move it's a good combo but now tesla's shipping model 3s and
00:30:04
model-wise with no radar sensors at all just the cameras and because they're making this switch
00:30:11
all of these new cars people are getting have slightly reduced autopilot functionality just for safety they're
00:30:16
you know only going up to a certain speed and they're obviously not working as well as the cars with radar and they're planning on with software over
00:30:22
time catching back up to the cars with radar it's just a tech thing that tesla does sometimes where they make a change and
00:30:28
some of the cars are different from the ones on the road um but i find it interesting i'm curious
00:30:33
if it's going to catch up to radar assisted vision because i always felt like radar assisted vision was
00:30:39
great um there's a couple i read the whole reddit thread of like owners talking about this and there's a couple things people were thinking one is kind of like what you're saying they you
00:30:50
know despite maybe it being an outdated specific radar that they're using they did appreciate the redundancy
00:30:56
and something that yeah you know it's ultimately driving your car and could be your life if if uh it comes to that so like we like
00:31:04
redundancy in that for sure there are also a lot of people who think and i forget exactly why but
00:31:12
there's some people who think that they're going to eventually upgrade the type of radar system that they're using
00:31:19
and in the future could potentially be another radar system just getting rid of the one they
00:31:24
currently have now but did elon make like an announcement that they're switching to only that or is that just an assumption
00:31:31
because of the lack of this radar no they they've made it clear that they they want to go vision only okay yeah
00:31:37
then that seems so it's unfounded yeah yeah i don't know i i'm curious if it's actually gonna
00:31:42
work basically uh i've learned not to bet against the eventual inevitable future of what they're
00:31:48
working on but uh i i didn't see any good reason why that redundancy isn't a good thing
00:31:56
it's like to you can bet against or not bet against the eventual future but that doesn't mean there won't be
00:32:01
hiccups and some bumps along the way in that process i think that's like the best way of describing tesla like they've made it to
00:32:08
where they want to there are certainly a couple hiccups along the way though yeah i could see that with this the road to
00:32:14
the future was never smoothly paved now you don't even have radar to tell if it's smoothly painful um one other thing you kind of mentioned it briefly but another
00:32:25
kind of headline which i thought was kind of ridiculous was it looks like people are finding out their new model wise do not have lumbar
00:32:32
support in the passenger side and for anyone who is upset with this headline my first question i want to ask you is have you ever gotten into somebody's car
00:32:43
in the passenger seat and adjusted the lumbar support because i have never ever done that that's a good
00:32:48
point i don't think i've ever adjusted the lumbar support as a passenger in a car but also is it losing
00:32:54
adjustable lumbar support or is it just losing losing adjustable lumbar support i guess i don't know if
00:33:01
i honestly don't think most people can tell if he has lumbar support or not maybe i'm being naive i think i've never
00:33:07
changed it in my driver's seat i think we're being ageist ages i think we're being too young here
00:33:13
as a i've got a pretty awful back as a as a person who has started to have occasional back
00:33:20
things i i feel like i care about the lumbar support but i'm the driver so i don't really mess with it too much when i'm not the
00:33:26
driver but uh i guess does every seat had necessary like every seat has some sort of lumbar support
00:33:32
right like i guess tesla's not exactly known for the like high quality of their seats there was
00:33:38
that whole like chevy these are chevy spark seats blah blah blah i'm assuming it's not that anymore but
00:33:44
i guess losing it i don't know i've had four knee surgeries my back is terrible like for being 30 my back is
00:33:51
way worse than have you ridden on the passenger side of my car yeah it's fine i have no issues with it i mean maybe on a long trip i would be
00:33:58
less comfortable than maybe some other seats but like nothing about it we drove to boston that one day and oh yeah i was totally fine i
00:34:04
was passenger seat the whole ride all right i certainly didn't adjust it i can tell you that from what i hear model 3 and model y's
00:34:11
seats are much better than model s much better than my seats so if it's even better
00:34:17
i'm not complaining too much i get that it's a removed feature and it's a nice headline but i understand that people don't like
00:34:23
seeing this is more expensive and has less things but i don't feel like lumbar supports the hilda dion for that
00:34:29
all right here's a question do you think so we know tesla doesn't do yearly updates with their cars do you think
00:34:35
this new crop of electric cars and new companies coming out will follow in the same footsteps
00:34:41
and also not do model years is that the future of cars no more model years or will they all eventually fall
00:34:47
into a 20 21 22 thing so my thought on that kind of if i can talk about f-150 for
00:34:55
like i know we've talked about it a lot but i think it kind of has to do with the market they're targeting right now
00:35:01
ford's when we talked to the guy from ford who brought the f-150 who is absolutely fascinating by the way just
00:35:07
hearing all the stuff they went through being a like a legacy car manufacturer who's now diving into the ev world
00:35:13
their huge goal and like a big reason they did that thousand pound epa mileage was like they don't want
00:35:20
anyone coming to ev and being disappointed with it so i think if you are affording the f-150 you have to do yearly updates
00:35:28
because that's what people are used to and people who are buying cars in that market pickups specifically are used to that if you're
00:35:35
rivian who clearly doesn't have a market already i think you can go the tesla route and
00:35:41
do that ultimately maybe this is just because we're used to it i would like to see some sort of a
00:35:47
yearly update just because it's easier to keep track of things and keep track of features and additions and subtractions
00:35:53
yeah i don't think it needs it i think it's fine everyone with tesla has made do it almost turns into a game with
00:35:58
this whole like my vin number doesn't have lumbar support like i think it's kind of funny maybe not as the owner of the car but
00:36:05
as an outsider it's kind of funny as someone who has bitten in the past i'm like please make it more predictable
00:36:10
i think it would be interesting i was going to say it's interesting point i was thinking it's just going to be about the company
00:36:16
making it if it's an old company they're going to be stuck in tradition and they're just going to keep doing model years like ford
00:36:21
but if it's a new company then they don't care at all about that but i do think if you are a
00:36:29
even a rivian for for that matter or porsche you want to make things simple and easy
00:36:35
to understand you do want to make some sort of yearly or like well understood updates so
00:36:41
people can know exactly what they're buying at any given time and tesla seems to be the only company that's actually gotten away from that
00:36:48
successfully ever so like them getting there are a lot of traditions in car manufacturing and car selling that i
00:36:55
despise yearly updates is not one of them i i think it's it's just easier marketing it's easier
00:37:01
for people to understand i mean even just the used car market can get kind of confusing when you like
00:37:06
you maybe you see the new rav4 and you're like oh i want to go get a used one this is listed as a 2012 and you see
00:37:13
it's a totally different model like it's much easier to keep track with that yeah um there are what i love that tesla does
00:37:20
differently is like dealerships i wish we would get rid of those but yearly updates i think is you're not
00:37:26
losing much by uh continuing to do them yeah i guess cars are such a large complex thing like
00:37:33
even in tech like you have yearly updates for everything like you have the 2021 ipad and you have
00:37:38
the galaxy s 21 and the s22 will be next year and you just you have like these yearly updates so
00:37:44
when you want to go back and and analyze the old ones or maybe buy a used one you can go let me see the model year from yes this
00:37:50
is the year they did that with the screen like you always know by the model year so i hear people talk about older cars
00:37:55
like oh if you're getting an f-150 like avoid the 2007 to the 2013 they did this weird
00:38:00
thing with the engine like they just know that that's what happened but if you're trying to do that with tesla or if you ever look at trying to buy a used
00:38:07
tesla it is kind of a mystery other than the basic specs what you're going to get will you
00:38:12
get ventilated seats i don't know we're still pretty new into the like used tesla market right i mean
00:38:18
i know they've been around for like 10 years at this point but still it's pretty common to buy a 10 year old car
00:38:24
and use because especially if it's a lease or like a rental that's then getting sold used they're usually perfectly fine if they
00:38:30
have 50 000 miles on it yeah so tesla it's really cool because in theory batteries last longer than typical gas engines so then you should be able to sell teslas
00:38:41
on the used marketplace for longer and longer and they should hold more and more value but if you it's so much harder to market
00:38:47
that used car because because it's a piece of tech yeah yeah it's a piece of tech and because it doesn't have yearly updates
00:38:54
yours you could say a 2015 tesla model s but if they made a change somewhere in 2015 that could be too completely different which they did they made a huge change in 2016. i didn't mean to hit uh it's striking
00:39:07
yeah will you have autopilot or not i think so maybe i don't know yeah no that'll be
00:39:12
it'll be interesting to follow i i kind of feel like yeah tesla gets away with being the exception to the rule for
00:39:17
so many things but i also do like that they break and and really don't adhere to so many of those traditions of
00:39:23
the older car industry i don't mind not having dealerships totally fine with me please please please please everyone
00:39:29
don't they have to though to sell cars in texas people have to go like outside of texas to buy the cars
00:39:34
because of like some dealership law i don't want to get too deep into it but that's another ancient piece of legislation that has
00:39:42
been applied to dealerships and happens to be awful for tesla but hey yeah that's just that's just the way
00:39:48
it is in 2021 all right speaking of not knowing what you're going to get from tesla we've got a headline from electric you
00:39:56
like that segway right yeah you've been pretty on today i've been on my money destroyed mine last week but this is
00:40:01
good i'll let you i'll let you have these this is good so uh there's a it's really just a trademark
00:40:07
filing is all we have but the concept is really interesting so apparently back in 2018 elon musk said
00:40:13
that tesla plans to open quote old-school drive-in roller skates and rock restaurants
00:40:19
at one of the new tesla superchargers near la um this is kind of like a really is he
00:40:26
joking or is that like actually like a plan that he has to do and then tesla actually did file for the trademark for
00:40:33
i guess a sort of burger joint type thing where they could eventually oh tesla trademark
00:40:39
registration is intended to cover the categories of restaurant services pop-up restaurant services self-service restaurant services and
00:40:46
take out restaurant services so now the natural idea is well every time you're supercharging you probably
00:40:51
want to grab some food that's like probably the number one activity people do when charging for a while i would say
00:40:57
that's the best way to sell supercharging to somebody who's so like when we travel when we travel
00:41:03
pretty far in your car though the one main thing is you have to stop the charge at some point and most people don't like
00:41:09
the biggest argument between gas is gas takes two minutes to fill up charging can take like 20 minutes to not
00:41:15
fill up but you know get you far enough to where you go every time we would stop we would plan it specifically
00:41:20
to eat in that time and by the time we would eat it would be plenty of time to do that so it doesn't even really feel like you're
00:41:26
charging or making that stop so if you add a restaurant or food to all of this it makes perfect sense because then
00:41:33
as long as you keep your road trip planned out accordingly and there's good food there it almost won't feel like you're
00:41:39
refueling yeah it feels like it also feels like a smart business decision if you're tesla
00:41:45
right now you're you're investing all this money in building superchargers right so naturally you're trying to be smart
00:41:51
about where you put the superchargers people are going to want to stop at rest stops
00:41:56
malls uh like obviously restaurants and things like that where it's easy to take a break and have a
00:42:03
bite to eat so business 101 is why not make money from that too like if you can open it if you can build your own rest stop and have tesla superchargers and a tesla merch shop and
00:42:16
burgers and like a whole bunch of the most common activities for 20 minutes while charging
00:42:21
that's a good investment because you make your money back from it um so i could see that being like a
00:42:27
casual thing they start to do an experiment with i think they just follow the trademark just to be safe like that's just the thing companies do
00:42:34
but i don't know if they have plans for like people rollerblading out of you know a door with a burger on a platter or
00:42:39
whatever but it's kind of just kind of a fun idea i think it makes sense so like business-wise that just makes sense
00:42:45
you weirdly hit a weird gripe i have with not anything tesla related but about road tripping it makes me furious when i'm on like going for a long trip and we're
00:42:56
trying to find somewhere to eat and in google maps we type in restaurants or type in a place we want to stop at
00:43:02
click it and it brings me to a mall it makes me so angry like i've been driving four hours all i want to do is grab something to eat and now you took me 10 minutes out of my way to be at a
00:43:13
mall where i either have to park the car walk all the way inside the mall sit down and get something to eat or i guess
00:43:18
get it to go but like just differentiate that which makes perfect sense for this now
00:43:24
though because if a tesla supercharger is at a mall and now out in that back parking lot where the charger is has something you can grab to eat makes
00:43:32
way more sense although with 20 minutes you probably could run into the mall but
00:43:37
google maps please i just want that one feature so bad just this is bringing me to a mall there's a thing in
00:43:42
um in tesla superchargers too so i was driving up to practice which is above new york near connecticut
00:43:49
and i was a little bit early so i was like oh let me just you know stop at one of the nearby superchargers and charge up for a little bit just because i have
00:43:55
time and so i just picked the one on the map that was closest to it and drove to it and it was
00:44:01
like in the bottom of a parking garage that was like underneath the but it was like just
00:44:06
tucked away like hard to find and annoying and i wish there was some sort of indicator on the map of like this one's in a parking lot this
00:44:12
one is in a paid parking garage in a mall like those are that should be different on the map because i really don't feel like doing that although some of them uh some of the parking garages if you are only
00:44:24
there for 20 minutes they don't charge you luckily which is good but yeah that was uh
00:44:30
that was kind of fun to see but yeah no i i think that uh that like restaurant and just take just
00:44:36
the the overall like vertical integration of like okay tesla owns the property tesla owns the chargers tesla will
00:44:42
probably have solar panels because they want to do a renewable energy at all the chargers tesla will make that energy tesla will
00:44:48
sell you food while you're there and probably merch and probably other stuff too and they just own the entire pipeline
00:44:53
that's what a good multi-billion dollar company probably looks like in the future
00:44:58
as far as like autonomy and charging on the go and one of those things specifically stood out where it says
00:45:04
self-service restaurant so like it even doesn't need to be a full-blown diner restaurant
00:45:10
kind of burger joint or even something like that if it's just like a pretty easy like similar to like those new amazon
00:45:16
shops out west where it's like you walk in and there's not even someone working there you're just like or there's people restocking but you
00:45:22
grab it and it it tells what you took and then as you walk out it charges you for it there's not even a cash here
00:45:28
so it's good yet i mean no but we're talking about the future here like this is just a trademark we've got a while to
00:45:34
go true because i was thinking about being out of the question i was like what is a self-serve restaurant i can't think of like what that is but i guess
00:45:41
you know the whole foods of the future where you just walk in grab the thing and walk out and it
00:45:46
charges you is the idea yeah i mean i would probably prefer it to be people there cooking and it's like fresher food but it could also just be something simpler wraps sandwiches
00:45:58
pre-made stuff you stock it up in the morning because like you also have to think about this makes great sense but you have to
00:46:04
have a high enough profit margin for the people who are not working there all the time and what are the hours going to be is it
00:46:10
going to be 24 24 7 there's a lot of questions and we're still just at the trademark but
00:46:17
yeah i think it could be really cool yeah wild speculation on a trademark is my favorite oh yeah that's what this
00:46:22
podcast is all about yeah speaking of wild speculation oh man i'm crushing i'm crushing is this a speculation segways yeah because this is a rumor okay okay speaking of speaking of wild
00:46:33
speculation uh we've got a huawei p50 rumor slash image slash leak from ice universe i just like i just opened it and the top comment is huge just saying
00:46:46
lol in all caps it is a it is an image i'm just going to paint a visual picture for you so imagine the back of the phone right on the back of the phone
00:46:56
somewhere in the top left you have your camera bump now i want you to look at the back of
00:47:02
your phone and divide it into quadrants i have a really good way to describe this i feel like i'm just going gonna say if you can picture the the back of your phone into quadrants top left top right
00:47:14
bottom left bottom right picture the entire top left binoculars two huge circles looking at you
00:47:24
this looks almost looks like to me um do you know how john rettinger does those thumbnails where he's focusing on cameras on smartphones where
00:47:30
it's the smartphone back and he he dislocates basically the camera bump and zooms it up
00:47:36
this looks like uh maybe like the iphone 10s which had the vertical two camera and
00:47:42
then john renders zooming it out and just slapping it back on the back of the phone but it's weird because it's it's got
00:47:49
three cameras inside the top circle yes and then another camera and a flash inside the bottom
00:47:55
circle i assume the bottom one is like a large like periscope lens or some sort of large mod
00:48:01
like that sharp phone that's probably that's rumored yeah you know that one with this just like one
00:48:06
giant camera yeah so the fact that it's in a larger circle is purely aesthetic and they're just
00:48:12
leaning into this circular aesthetic and so it just looks like binoculars on the back i think the best way to describe it
00:48:17
is imagine a vertical camera system that's gigantic and then there's cameras that's just the bump the cameras
00:48:24
are inside what you thought were the cameras because when i first saw this from the corner of my eye on your screen
00:48:29
i thought i just had two gigantic cameras on the back that would be and i don't know if that would be better
00:48:34
or worse i don't think the phone is going to be bad i don't think a phone is thick enough for cameras to be that actually huge
00:48:40
i think this is just an aesthetic yeah yeah it's just a look it's a look it's a look man this is
00:48:47
actually the way the p50 looks be prepared for the memes because you know some companies do things for the memes
00:48:52
it looks like wally that's another good one oh if you just scroll down the comments yeah the comments are great there's more stovetop ones like
00:48:58
i highly recommend you scroll down and look at the memes we'll same energy so turntables oh my god this is great sonic microwaves
00:49:11
it's good i don't know it's dead mouse ears interesting i haven't said mouse years that would be i feel like you could skin some cool
00:49:16
things on this and use use that as inspiration on on top of it but like yeah it's just a weird look i don't know
00:49:24
it also has a flash in between them it's great it's so i don't really get it i mean the the focus of the thing is the
00:49:37
focus of so many of these new smartphones coming out is just the the cameras and the differentiation
00:49:43
of the cameras and we already know xiaomi huawei they're not afraid of a big camera bump
00:49:49
like they're not afraid of going absolutely nuts with how crazy the cameras look on the back of the phone
00:49:54
whether or not their cameras are actually the best in the business debatable but they're not afraid to have a creative camera ball i still think
00:50:01
if you're going crazy camera bump you go horizontal and you go as high up as possible so when it leans
00:50:06
on the phone it's almost like a wedge like i kind of imagine the pixel six rumors which you know has that big like
00:50:12
daft punk looking horizontal if that continued up to the top or was closer to the top edge i think that would be like
00:50:18
perfect but this is just kind of crazy wobble yeah and it's gonna wobble a lot yeah speaking of wobble no just kidding i'm
00:50:24
fresh out i'm fresh out of segways but i'm fresh out of topics we've talked about a lot of stuff so far
00:50:31
but honestly uh i think it was worth it you actually wound up segueing the end of the
00:50:37
yeah fresh out of segways like fresh air topics i think that was the best one of the episode
00:50:42
let's go i crushed today's segways a plus feel free to let me know how i did in the comments but i'm pretty sure i crashed um anyway that's about it for uh this week
00:50:53
we'll be back shortly of course we've got a lot more to talk about and wwdc is next week speaking of wwdc
00:51:00
we're gonna have a discord stage event next week that's the plan we're gonna have uh
00:51:06
right now wwdc is going to happen and then we're going to talk about wwdc probably live with you guys on discord
00:51:12
and in video form so stay tuned for all that and more of course it'll probably be a lot of announcements on stage i'm
00:51:18
excited i'm sure next week is going to be a lot to talk about hype yeah either way see you guys then thanks for watching
00:51:24
catch you guys later