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all right time to break down a lawsuit this is the fun part oh yeah yay this is going to be interactive by the way I
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designed it to be interactive in what way like Choose Your Own Adventure Q&A
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style in what way we're just going to throw apples at you it's 40 points will be
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rewarded all right what is up people of the internet welcome back to another regularly scheduled episode of the
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waveform podcast we're your hosts I'm Marquez I'm Andrew and I'm David the actual David not the other David Pierce that you should all go watch the episode
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that we just published earlier this that was smooth that was yeah well played well played I was wondering why you
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didn't write that in the script and because you just had it ready to go I actually didn't have it ready to go I just it just came out wow it was good
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yeah if you didn't already watch our productivity uh based apps versus alarm
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Andrew's mess of lifeod you should check it out it went up uh this past week and it's it's super fun and it's um prompted
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a lot of people to uh diagnose us with various things which is totally cool too but I think it's still uh worth watching
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but this week we got a lot to talk about because uh we missed some stuff that technically happened last week because you know how we record on Wednesdays and
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then all the news happens on Thursday and we're like why did the US Sue Apple the day after we record the podcast
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that's crazy so we got a lot of galaaxy I I had to talk about dubdub IO FSD just
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all acronyms the acon episod yeah so we're GNA talk we're going to talk about
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all that stuff um but we should start with the cheat fediverse should start
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with the ferse yeah um yeah I am not so I use threads but I don't keep up as
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much with Mastadon and others like blue sky yeah but there's apparently finally
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some developments with uh activity Pub and connecting all of them so why don't you explain what's happening because I
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might have to change so this will probably be a wider episode later on um because we're ofing like What do these
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protocols mean what is the ferse what is activity public there's all these acronyms and weird of cheese yes that's
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what I've been thinking yes Federation um okay so threads is one of the
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platforms that is starting to adopt activity Pub which is this open standard
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published by the w3c which is the worldwide Web Consortium because we love standards groups I acronyms baby love
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standards groups um and effectively what an activity Pub is is you can kind of think it think of it sort of similarly
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to email it's like I could send a message on Gmail I could send a message through Outlook but because it's a open
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uh platform or an open um protocol protocol protocol thank you m you can
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rece you're going to receive that the same way no matter what platform you're on so if I'm on threads which is now
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federating which is it means they're using activity but Pub uhhuh there's a lot of words
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that I can't wait for the bigger episode I can yeah the bigger episode is going to help everyone understand this a
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little bit easier basically uh if you post something on threads if I post
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something on threads and you on Mastadon are following my threads account through Mastadon which you can now do you will
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see my threads posts on Mastadon and there's a lot of benefits to this it
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allows you to choose like what platform you want to use so you don't have to hop back and forth between all these different platforms all the time this is
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a very big move overall because threads has like 100 million users which is crazy I think over 100 million users
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yeah they blasted past 100 million blasted past in the first like couple months yeah um and the thing about
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activity Pub is theoretically the more platforms that start to support it the more interoperable they become the more
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incentive there is for these closed services like X to support activity Pub
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because the there's all this thing about the stickiness of an application right and there's these social graphs and if
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your social graph is on an activity Pub enabled platform that allows you to see
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their their posts on whatever platform you're using instead of only being able to see their stuff on like X or a Clos
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Source platform you're going to be more incentivized to
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Federate I think that's probably usually true but in the case of x forly Twitter
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where they're already one of the top 10 biggest websites in the world they might not feel that pressure are they yeah X's
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by like hits yeah really and just when you're that when you're that big already as far as social yeah as a social media
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platform for sure but then but the thing is you could think of like Mastadon plus threads as one social media platform now
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right and so the more the more social media platforms that people are using like every now and then that Federate
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kind of add to this glor that becomes the Omega social media it raises the floor cuz if you if you were
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to start like a brand new Social Network today you would definitely want to be Federated you'd want to have all of the
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interoperability because otherwise there's no one there and no activity so if you're way down at the beginning you
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definitely want to raise the floor to include that right but once there is all the competition of okay mine's different
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because that has these features mine's different because it has this UI or these rules or whatever then once yours
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maybe starts to take off off that's not as important and if you never were in in the first place and you're sitting over
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here and you've got this whole all these features maybe there isn't as much incentive it's interesting Dynamic though yeah interesting yeah I think
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that like platforms like X that are not planning on federating don't have incentive to add activi Pub support
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until a time in which they become the non-dominant social platform yeah until it's necessary for them essentially
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right so anyway um meta has been talking about adding activity support for a long
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time which feels weird and interesting because you know markberg yeah they
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don't have it and they don't need it they don't yeah they're a big platform already they don't necessarily need to there's a lot of reasons why that makes
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sense from a business perspective that Mark Zuckerberg has kind of figured out I think he's kind of the king of making
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it seem like they're doing things that are just like good for the open web but actually have like a really really good
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business incentive behind it I always say companies this size anytime they make a public decision there's always
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the reason they tell you yeah and the real reason exactly and this is probably one of those yeah so uh anyway threads
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just opened the fediverse beta in the US Canada and Japan which basically means if you turn this on in your settings
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people on Mastadon or other Federated uh activity Pub enabled platforms can
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follow your threads account so you on Mastadon can follow David am lths.net
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and when I post something on threads you'll see it on Mastadon can it go the other way around now if you have that enabled so on threads you can follow
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people on Mastadon or other activity Pub not yet okay so this is right now the beta is just making it available on
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there but their UI or whatever doesn't have the capabilities yet it's like Super Beta cuz like ultimately what they
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want to be able to happen is that when people comment on Mastadon I'll also be able to see those comments on threads
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right but right now the the amount of beta that it is right now is like when I
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post things on threads people can see those on maedon and they can like and comment them on Mastadon and they show
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up in Threads but they don't show up in Threads they will eventually but currently no when this is fully when
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this is fully fleshed out what does this look like this is let's say Macedon blue sky and threads are all Federated and
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this is fully fleshed out so blue sky uses a different protocol called the app protocol and throw a blue sky yeah throw a blue sky okay yeah yeah so so
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fast forward I'm sorry guys this is our it's going to be this I think my point is this is confusing but I want to
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understand so they're fully Federated and they are fully uh all plugged in the way they're supposed to what does that look like okay so perfect scenario uh I
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have a threads. net account I don't necessarily need a master mastedon account but they both use activity Pub
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so I'm pu I'm posting on my threads account davidm lths.net you on Mastadon
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are like oh David doesn't have a Mastadon account but I see he has threads account I can follow his threads account so you follow me on Mastadon
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because that's your primary application of choice that you like to use I'm posting on threads you see my posts you
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can comment like I can see your comments and likes on threads so it kind of just feels all like one giant native social
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application oh wait I have a question yeah I have many questions doesn't Mason have like a lot of different servers
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though so wouldn't you as a threads user need to be in the MK like no no no
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because I'm assuming if you're following them then you're like I don't use madon but I thought the servers was just like
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ways that you can find people or like timelin like a Walled Garden like there
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were so you can think of different Mastadon servers that you join as like the at threads. net it's where you're
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being hosted right right and so those different mastedon servers can have different moderation tools they can have
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different like all these different things but the content stream the reason it's called activity Pub it's because
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your activity is being published that activity uh could be a like it could be a reblog it could be a right is this
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also is like maybe this isn't a fair analogy but like with RSS and like podcast where essentially like perfect
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analog this is the one thing I feel like I kind of understand is the perfect scenario aspect of it where essentially
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people are posting on a social media platform and then you just get to pick how you want to interact with that so like I listen to podcast on Spotify if
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you use um I already forgot all the like pocketcast Google podcast pocket yeah
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pocketcast like pretty much that it's like we're all looking at the yeah we're all looking at the same information but
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we're looking at it on in different ways to things that just fit us better which is why some of my questions might not
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have perfect answers like if someone has a Mastadon account and logs in and sees my threads activity and follows my
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threads account does that follower get added to my threads profile because
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right now that's not how podcasts work I'm not sure about that I don't I don't know if there's going to be an answer right away but like if I
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follow you in pocketcasts apple podcast has no idea um and then if some activity
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that I po post on threads shows up on your mastedon timeline and you engage with it
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that shows up to people who don't have a Mastadon account they're just on the threads app and then they reply to you
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does that allow them to follow or see your Mastadon activity in Threads I I
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think it will once it's fully built out okay yeah it's going to be like one giant social network in a way so this
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kind of already exists with apps that are already Federated so for example like Instagram there's this app called
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pixel fed where if you post a picture on Pixel fed and I'm following that account on my mcadon the picture will just show
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up on my mcadon feed and then if I like it you will see that like across the platforms yeah so the activity Pub
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protocol standardizes a bunch of different social actions so that you can still have like tailored
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apps that are like pixeled that are more Instagram like that are focused around Instagram and if I go to pixel fed I
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only really see photos but if I'm on threads I can follow that pixel fed account so I can just see your photos
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mixed with the other stuff I'm that's interesting so the reason to be on a different version of this giant social
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mesh would be to tailor different features or content to your liking in a way in a way it's almost like when we
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have like Falcon and like all the different Twitter clients cuz it was just a different way to experience
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Twitter sure yeah yeah yeah yeah cuz this way you can get a different user interface you can get different features
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but you can also sort of follow different people's different styles of content through an RSS style thing yeah
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yeah it reminds me of how everyone's like Wow Instagram today is just videos it's all reals remember when it was just pictures you could just you could jump
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on the one that's just like we only show the pictures right so instead of everyone having to cuz think about yeah this is a great example think about it
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this way the amount of new apps that come out that are like we're going to be the new Instagram we're focusing around
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just photos or even there's like ones that are coming out now that are like just film photography and I'm like how are you going to get a user base that is
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sustainable enough if you're being that Niche but if you're Federated suddenly it doesn't matter like you don't have to
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get people to sign up for a new app you can just like follow you can just have an app that specifically only feeds you
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that content mhm so it's cool I I think it's a cool it all sounds really cool
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there's some points of this when we're explaining it that sounds so much like a like VC pitch of like what if you could
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do this thing on Instagram but over here and then the things you like in this app you can do them here and like everything
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you like all in one promise it'll work the difference is this is open source have to get everyone to think that's
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what's funny about it is that like it feels like that I don't know yeah it's all interesting but have you guys ever
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heard of active worlds no it was like this weird uh social network doesn't
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really describe it it's like sort of similar to Second Life Sounds like but it was sort of intended to be somewhere
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in between like a web browser and a message board but in the style of a
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second lifestyle game and it feels very much like this like the whole idea is that there would be all of these like
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Community moderated servers or worlds and then on there people would like stick images on the wall that online
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Town Square but yeah if you I don't know what that is oh oh my God digital tone
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Square I was like I've never heard of that product no but so You' go and you'd like click on it and it would open a web page or like a browser or You' like post
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messages like that and it was sort of like all it was really cool and like all the worlds had like very different rules
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and flavors and like moderation policies and it feels sort of like a version of that where you don't need to fullon
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Enter the Matrix yeah it does I mean Mastadon is kind of like that in a way yeah no exactly it's the same idea but
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yeah anyway I think it's like a it's it's just a the more apps that you can get Federated the more people are going
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to like small smaller Niche apps like Instagram but only photos are going to
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be incentivized to make something that is Federated because people can just tap into it directly instead of having to
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grow a user base that's going to be super freaking hard to it's really interesting that threads is Federated but Instagram I feels like it never
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would be yeah I don't think Instagram is ever going to vate which is fascinating yeah they make too much money being Tik
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Tok yeah yeah true so well you know speaking of totally different
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worlds uh two very different developer conferences invites went out like that
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that was pretty solid I feel like Google six Google and apple both announced uh
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their developer conference dates this summer Google IO and worldwide developer
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conference being apples um we expect very different things at each of these and I guess also
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not really do we well we expect similar things in different styles we expect AI
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from both of them yeah well maybe I'm getting ahead of myself but Jaws tweeted it's going to be absolutely incredible
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with both of those words capitalize a in absolutely and I in incredible Capital oh he thinks we're 12
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so yeah AI probably we all got that but I think yeah we all kind of been waiting
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for this AI thing from Apple for forever and it's this the invite is the Siri colors and
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like we've been hearing all these murmurings about you know chat GPT and
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open AI but also Gemini and Google and like what is Apple actually going to do with AI on the iPhone even lately I've
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seen um i' I've had just random mentions of AI from Apple where they're like oh
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yeah we've been an AI company the whole time like we've had the most advanced neural engine on our silicon chips for
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years now and I'm like yeah you could I guess you could just start saying that now you're not wrong but you haven't
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been saying it like that until just recently so it's kind of interesting I would argue they are wrong it's it's you
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could you could Silo in an argument where they're like technically right but also my argument is that an incredible
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amount of things that people are branding as AI now were just machine
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learning that has been happening for a very long time and it's funny cuz Apple had never Apple never says AI right and
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I made a whole video about how Apple never says Ai and then just recently they started being like Oh yeah we oh yeah that's us AI for sure we said it
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we've been doing it I know we say machine learning and neural engine and all that stuff but like yeah this is are
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they just going to suddenly say AI a thousand times on stage this year a dub duub I think they just wait a really
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long time to make sure that something is act like a new category is actually sticking before they associate
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themselves with it every feature in the iPhone pretty much it's like all of the new features have been out already and
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then they just like waited till it was definitely popular polished the hell out of it and popped it out yeah yeah
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popular or like offered real real utility to their customers because I think there are plenty of things that
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you could Off You could argue were way way early in other phones but didn't really offer utility and then it took
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extra years for people to figure out oh this is actually good for people yeah um and there's so many little examples I'm
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very very interested in what bes besides like better Siri like a fully revamped
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like Transformer based Siri which I really hope exists uh they're going to add because they're I really don't think
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they're going to do like AI wallpapers and all of that kind of stuff right there's lots of those little things that
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others have done first that aren't necessarily that useful like yeah wallpapers but then there are some
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things that I think are obvious wins like well they've already done the keyboard they've already done slightly
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better Auto the keyboard by the way I feel like has made the keyboard worse in my I actually haven't noticed anything
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different for me it feels like the auto the auto suggestions and auto correct have just gotten way worse if I'm not
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typing a word that's like a commonly used like this morning I was trying to type the word atres and my phone just
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like I mean was not that's not the phone it's from Dune it's from it's a
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dune thing okay I don't think any keyboard would naturally get that one well no no no no no it's it's not like
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it was trying to like it would it's not like I would finish the word correctly and then it would do it like if cuz it
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does the predictive what letters coming next yeah so if it if it really struggles to know like it's almost the
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the touchcreen is useless especially on my little tiny mini phone yeah true true at tradies it's that is not a weird I'm
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just saying that's just slightly above fata for me just slightly above it I
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just don't think I would know how to spell it yeah but also like Transformers are are trained on
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the commonality of how often words are used around other words it's in the most
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popular movie right now right now Andrew help me out I was gonna make a joke who
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in here has seen Dune I still haven't seen either of them now haven't seen it no one besides Ellis has seen Dune here
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Adam seen Dune One D oh was a trus in it a trades yes but my argument is that
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they're fictional names and characters in places absolutely they're not
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people are typing them into their iphon yeah but that's not how this is trained mhm it's not it's not real it's trained
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on like an existing data set of common words uh really yeah there like it's probably up to like 2022 or something
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yeah and also other people so there is a mechanism in the new iOS 17 keyboard
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that learns based on the way that you type right but it doesn't learn based on the way that other iPhone users does
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this mean I'm a fake fan of you just have to start typing that I'm clearly not typing a yeah you got you got well
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no that's a great Point actually though because I feel like that's Apple's whole problem thus far is that they don't have
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that giant data set of all their users which is why they're probably going to use Gemini that's the whole argument
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they don't like their whole thing is security and we don't scrape your data and we don't scrape other people's data and give it to other people and with
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large language models they're kind of boned yeah I want to point I want to paint this I want to paint this as clearly as possible in order to have a
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really and we've I've phrase this many different ways but in order to have the smartest possible most useful AI like
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think of a think of a real human assistant who's going to help you out in order for that person to be the most
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helpful for you they need to know everything about you right if they're going to start scheduling your flights
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they need to know oh do you like window seats do you like usually fly out of this airport do you like United or Delta they need to know everything about you
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and so if you're knowing everything about someone you have a lot of data on
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them and and minimal privacy but Apple's whole stance and their whole policy is
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to keep as little data as possible none if they can help it and to know nothing about you and to keep everything private
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as much as possible which is great and very Noble and super it's a big reason why a lot of people like the iPhone but
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now that means they by definition I think cannot build the most helpful assistant that knows everything about
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you yeah and so how does Apple get around this like Apple's Google's out here knowing everything about you and giving you all all the information you
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could possibly want yeah before you even know you want that it's like I know you're about to wake up so I'm going to start helping
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you out with the thing you're going to eat for breakfast like it knows you super well and so they're able to offer all this helpful stuff which people like
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do they partner do they compromise on that that that policy that they have to
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let Google in the door to collect or or to at least use the data they already have maybe they don't collect on the iPhone but to use the they're going to
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do exact Google has collected so so much data over time and I think Apple's just going to be like we're going to use that
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and is that data a onetoone match of what they need or do iPhone users maybe use their phones slightly differently
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than the all the other users they already have I don't know if that's going to come up it seems more focused around large language models I would
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guess yeah and like natural language processing so they'll probably use it for Siri mhm I don't really see them
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using it for a lot of other stuff which is why I'm actually very curious cuz if this whole wwc is supposed to be focused
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around AI I imagine they're going to like for multiple of their products say
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we added some sort of AI to this but what else besides Siri could they add AI to that would make like a large tangible
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reminders I was going to say the rumor did say like iOS 18 right features so it
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was plural so there are potentially many different things in there that it could be added to I guess like and when J says
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absolutely incredible it assumes that that's going to be like the theme of the yeah yeah so they'll proba plenty of I'm
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I'm super interested in both of these happening and they being a connection are they going to talk about each other
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during their conference like apple has to talk about Google really you think they're just going to or do you think
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they just say Gemini I don't think they're even going to say you don't think they're going to say J at all I would say that's probably part of the
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deal is that they don't have to mention Google at all it would be really impressive if they never mentioned Google if they literally partner with
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this is gonna be a way for bet no no this well before we get to it though did they mention go when Google became the
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default search in Safari did they talk about that at all so long ago was it ever not the default search I think they
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immediately I think it was pretty immedate yeah interesting and that was like back in 2008 okay yeah when
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different company now almost not worth mentioning when they Apple announced RCS
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was that in an event or just that they were that was was a random press release press relase it was I don't think it was even a press release I think it just
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went out and yeah they seated it they they seated a quote to a journal yeah it wasn't even a press release I I think it
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will be really interesting I I know that these companies look like they copy each other's feutures a lot so when I'm
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trying to predict what they're going to do I'm literally looking at what's just happened with the past couple Google events and even Samsung like Circle to
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search kind of an interesting feature right something's on my screen I want to just like quickly search that thing
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online and bring you s results that could be interesting or maybe IM message you start planning a trip in a group
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chat maybe this little assistant clippy bot comes down and starts helping you plan the trip it doesn't have to be
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clippy cuz it's Apple not Microsoft but you know I'm looking at other CRA parallel feature yeah just Craig's head
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floats down it looks like you're trying to plan yeah that's that's my thought process for trying to figure out what
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other than Siri Apple could be doing with AI yeah I mean considering they update pretty much every OS for all of
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their devices hopefully we're going to see something coming to like the watch and
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iPad hod that was going to be my question cuz remember Google they announced Gemini with like three
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different versions I forgot which one was supposed to be on the phone Pico or something like Nano thank you um Apple
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has watches they have earbuds like there's so many other things computers
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yeah what is it going to be like is it just plugged into I would say Gemini Nano gets put on the Apple watch on the
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on the watch see I was going to say Nano gets put on the phone or something similar to it you know like probably but
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then what goes on the on the watch if there's multiple features coming to multiple devices I just don't see it
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being a onetoone fix to like other things yeah I don't know I'm well there's also okay so there there's a
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distinction between like local Ai and cloud-based AI as well yeah the local stuff is the best experience usually
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it's the fastest like the live translations if you just download the language model or whatever you can do live translations on the device that's
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usually awesome which and apple was pretty last WWDC they mentioned a lot of
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local learning like being Incorporated to so many different things so is this like uh an aspect of they're going to
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keep the local stuff themselves and then Outsource the kind of I actually believe that the rumor when we talked about this
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I think two weeks ago maybe this happened the rumor was specifically that Apple was Outsourcing it to Google for
00:26:42
the cloud-based AI stuff I forget if it was that but it I remember the article very much feeling like Gemini wasn't
00:26:48
taking over all of AI that it was features and that this is going to be kind of split in I it's mostly going to
00:26:54
be for the cloud stuff okay yeah so yeah could be interesting and then of course
00:27:00
Google IO which can we make the BET first oh yeah sorry do we is it just do we think they mention Google or Gemini
00:27:07
do we think that the word Google is said on stage or or Gemini Google or gemini or do we think like I don't think they
00:27:14
say either you don't think either what do you think wow that's a tough one I think if we really think they're
00:27:22
partnering and and using I don't I don't think they actually will be partnering so I'm going to go with no you don't
00:27:27
think they're you think that the rumor is false I think yeah really I think they're going to try to do as much on
00:27:34
device as possible and that's going to be the the hill that they die on and they're going to want to over time be
00:27:39
able to bring more and more things on device but they might just take a stance against going to the cloud for these
00:27:44
slow experiences cuz Siri is I mean that's Siri's bad like that's people I
00:27:50
mean I don't know if they know how bad Siri is but I think that that's more likely that they just try to keep
00:27:55
everything local and on device so that they don't send your information and hopefully that doesn't geted but you
00:28:01
can incorporate Gemini into things where Gemini is pulling from all the other sources it's learning from but Apple
00:28:08
doesn't have to put your stuff into it right yeah I don't think that Apple will
00:28:13
use a local Gemini model I think they'll only use Gemini for cloudbased AI that
00:28:19
they need the cloud for I think if they do use Gemini then they've got to say it at least once I don't think they're
00:28:25
going to say it at at all okay let's assume that they will use Gemini okay I think that they will say the name I'm
00:28:31
going to say they're not going to say the I'm going to say they're going to say Google and Gemini I don't think they're gonna say either I I'm I'm
00:28:37
saying it as a I think it'll be funny if they do and I'm gonna say screw it let's let's I think they're okay I like this
00:28:43
bet that's a good bet okay that's a good bet okay speaking Google also we're just gonna we're just gonna skip Vision
00:28:50
OS that's a whole another thing is like we expect Vision Pro updates probably at WWDC yeah but we don't know what they
00:28:56
will be I was actually thinking about that last week it was like it's kind of exciting that now we get these whole big
00:29:02
updates for the Vision Pro as well yeah that's kind of cool like cuz usually they introduce iPhone features that we
00:29:08
didn't even think of and we're like that makes a lot of sense that's really dope yeah and is that going to happen for Vision Pro or they they're probably just
00:29:14
going to introduce the things that people have been complaining about I would be nice which would be nice my
00:29:19
guess is at WWDC we're going to see a lot of especially this first time around it's only been out for a few months it's
00:29:25
going to be like a bunch of different programs that helps devel Vel opers create inside of it better where us
00:29:31
three won't have any idea what any of that really me they'll definitely highlight like how many how many apps have come out for it since launch and
00:29:38
things like that and some of the highlights and the best apps and oh personas are out of beta now or they're
00:29:43
they're version 1.1 or something and they're better than last time stuff like that yeah I think it'll be a minor
00:29:49
Vision OS thing you think so I think so I mean minor minor to us minor to the consumer I'm sure developers they'll be
00:29:55
it only have been out for 4 months by the time WWDC happens so it's fair but
00:30:01
but add that to the list of like 19 os's that they've got to up yeah exactly TV Vision OS iOS Mac OS Etc but okay Google
00:30:09
IO Google we've seen endless leaks of uh possible pixel what is it 8A 8 and we I
00:30:16
think expect that to finally be unveiled at least and then I still wish they would just drop it with the mainline
00:30:23
phones and and be on the same number yeah nothing's stopping them yeah
00:30:28
Nothing is Stopping Google because they make a $350 phone and Google's is $500 now yeah they don't
00:30:34
want to maybe they just want to overshadow their more expensive phones who would buy a $900 pixel if the $350
00:30:39
pixel came out the same day yeah and we were we were also talking about how the AA is basically
00:30:44
the eight yeah so so I guess I have to never mind I get it all right they could yeah it's a it's like a midcycle refresh
00:30:51
in a way or like a midcycle like hey you can buy this slightly cut down one I guess we're expecting though updates on
00:30:57
uh Gemini on the phone versus assistant on the phone because at this very moment in time it's not clear why people should
00:31:04
be moving from one to the other I do have a potential Theory and it might be too early for this okay but I assume we
00:31:12
can probably assume that the eventual plan is to either deprecate assistant or
00:31:17
deprecate Gemini and eventually merge them into one or actually probably what's going to happen is because right
00:31:24
now Gemini the official naming is like Google Gemini powered by Gemini Ultra
00:31:30
1.5 or something like that and be I think they're doing that very intentionally so that they can like get
00:31:37
recognition for the model so that later they can say a Google assistant is now
00:31:43
powered by Gemini Ultra 2.4 so it's still the model so I imagine
00:31:50
and this is just a theory that maybe at this Google IO they'll announce they're working on merging them so that
00:31:57
everything it's just Google assistant again I thought you were going to say the more Google thing of kill both of
00:32:03
them make a new one it's called Google Messenger it's called
00:32:09
Hangouts I do think I do hope we see something though that's not this make the decision between assistant on your
00:32:16
phone or Gemini on your pH that's AB absurd it feels like they need to mix them they're eventually I assume going
00:32:22
to mix them but I I just would like that to happen sooner rather than later yeah that's honestly the biggest update I'm
00:32:28
obviously Android upates as well in but uh yeah very different style yeah so
00:32:36
similar question before assuming Gemini is going to the iPhone does Google talk
00:32:43
about Apple no just Google and how they're going to be powering things on the iPhone maybe which is also funny
00:32:50
because it's earlier than WWDC oh they they couldn't they they can't they wouldn't be a you don't think so I don't
00:32:56
thinkle yeah cuz Apple hasn't announced anything AI related imagine Sundar on stage like
00:33:02
by the way we're going to power whatever Apple's coming out within the next month
00:33:07
they might say something like we've we've established some leading industry partners that you're going to are going
00:33:14
to be exciting in the they'll be cryptic about that for sure I do think it's harder but they have announced things
00:33:20
before like with Samsung before Samsung's announced things right at IO I know it's different I know I know I'm
00:33:26
just saying it's not that wild interesting yeah no they'll be I'm sure they'll announce some some feature stuff
00:33:31
that we don't see coming I hope they do I hope they say something about working with apple here's the BET here's a I
00:33:37
would love this bet who will say AI more on on stage and why is it Google Google
00:33:43
go because they will say it Google's taking what they did last year and they're they're imping it up wait
00:33:48
actually here's the BET will will Google say AI more or less times than last IO yeah what's the over under yeah what is
00:33:55
last IO oh let me just find that out real quick Andrew oh no I'm waiting someone's
00:34:02
got to do a super cut someone's got to get super get the super cut machine ready because we got to use that to
00:34:08
count how many times they say it was 137 I was say we could throw thatp I said 150 dang wow okay 137 yeah over under
00:34:20
150 it's to say it more you remember that last presentation right they
00:34:25
literally were saying it nonstop it's like every sentence uh I'm going under
00:34:31
because I think they'll say more different types of buzzwords like models and large language and stuff like that
00:34:37
they're going to say multimodal like eight times as many times as they did last time yeah they need to flex what's
00:34:44
different about Gemini versus the other models and unless GPT 5 comes out which I I'm assuming is going to be multimodal
00:34:51
unless that comes out before IO they're going to flex the hell out of it so over
00:34:56
under over one over 137 I'm
00:35:02
under I would say if Google wants to flex they should pretend to just move on from AI they should be like agree other
00:35:09
companies are just now getting to AI we're on to S aai super Advanced AI here we are
00:35:18
for super smart ai ai Type R do you think oh my god do you think if Apple at
00:35:25
dubdub uh mentions Google they they'll say gift from Google you think the audience will boo
00:35:32
they mention Google if we're there we'll boo okay so uh yeah I'm going under
00:35:41
because I do think that eventually the terminology AI is going to just get tired and people are it's going to be
00:35:47
the same as machine learning big data Internet of Things it's the same with all of these buzzwords like everyone
00:35:54
uses them for a while so that the stock price goes up and then eventually when it's the industry Norm people just start
00:35:59
stop talking about we're in the thick of it now I feel like we're in the thick of it we're in the thick of it but I also think last year was
00:36:05
thicker uh I would argue this year's there's more going on I think it's more
00:36:11
in the public knowledge at least than last year Apple says it so little that if this is the first year they say AI
00:36:17
100 times on stage everyone's ships lifted from that if you're in the AI
00:36:23
boat which is why Google has the chance to like separate themselves again and be like we were Beyond AI we're even better
00:36:29
we're in the Galaxy speaking of speaking of Galaxy speaking of Galaxy I'm I'm going over I
00:36:35
think that happen I agree with both of you that goes next year I'm saying I'm gonna say under all right okay
00:36:41
Ellis uh I'm gonna take I'm going to take the over really yes I think they're going to
00:36:47
start on Pace to be over because Sundar is going to open with a monologue about AI if I run on stage and yell AI a bunch
00:36:54
of times does that count yes it's they will have to use it like more than
00:37:00
once a minute every minute of iio I's two hours exactly which is minutes but
00:37:06
they easily I mean they did that last year no that's what I'm saying so I'm I'm I'm taking the dude every 20 seconds
00:37:12
for two hours if they hit the uh I think there's a chance go back and watch some of the early minutes of last year's iio
00:37:18
it is far greater than every two minutes if they partner with that Audio company I does that does that count do we get
00:37:26
three there I'm almost some sort of meme about it at some point where they just go ai ai ai ai ai ai like just as like a
00:37:34
song Whopper Whopper chicken Whopper yeah I I don't know if Google would meme it but I I'm I'm going under all right
00:37:44
all right now use that beautiful segue speaking of speaking of the Galaxy no I just want to mention the uh some of
00:37:50
those Galaxy AI features that were on the Galaxy s24 that we were like wow thanks to the new Snapdragon ship they
00:37:55
can do this circle to search really fast and they can do all this stuff yeah it's on the s23 now yeah it's also not thanks
00:38:00
to the snap dragon ship cuz it's on the pixel as well yeah so a that whole exclusive thing yeah yeah every year
00:38:08
it's always like only on the new the newest Snapdragon can we enable this and
00:38:14
then two months later they're like we figured out a way on the oldest wow
00:38:20
thought huge breakthrough totally not plan off thees okay wait so I have a question about that do you think it's a
00:38:27
Hardware thing where they are physically holding back Hardware like chips exclusively for like two months or is it
00:38:34
like a no sofware no it's completely software it's a give you a reason to buy
00:38:40
the new but in theory then if you were to get a new device that has that chip
00:38:46
could you just enable it yourself but it's not even about the chip that's the thing I think it's always about the chip
00:38:53
but it's never about the chip it's we have a new device here and there's very little new so we're going to take some
00:38:58
of these software features and lock them to the new device so that when this launches it looks like a more impressive
00:39:04
Delta and then three or four weeks or maybe a month or two later we go all
00:39:09
right sales spike is over all right you guys can have it too this is actually
00:39:15
something we could put on all of our devices so it's just a software release it's a lie which you know to be fair I
00:39:21
should be they I'm grateful that they put it on the older devices they don't have to obviously they're taking the
00:39:26
time to support Dev so I'm happy about that they're going to do it anyway because Hardware on phones isn't giving
00:39:34
you the big new feature that you want to upgrade your phone for software is so like they're going to lock it one way or
00:39:39
another I guess we should be yeah maybe not happy but I'm glad that yeah be grateful daddy
00:39:46
said you know what I mean though like they don't have to do it and they will lock it to make you buy new phones the
00:39:51
sales graph is like release 3 months later we're here and
00:39:57
they're like all right you can throw a bone yeah so uh yeah but the funny thing
00:40:03
about that is they never actually said it was going to stay free they said it was free until at least 2025 for what
00:40:11
feature for for all the Galaxy AI features no way yeah in the fine print it says free until at least 2025 you
00:40:18
think they're going to that's literally the reason I have not been using the AI features on my phone because I you have
00:40:24
to turn it on no they're just there they're there right the way Adam does things is he doesn't use things that he doesn't want to later want to use if he
00:40:30
switches devices so he when he's on an iPhone he doesn't use iMessage which I can't tell if that's really healthy or
00:40:35
really unhealthy I think it's healthy I think it's smart I need crossplatform connectivity for everything everything
00:40:42
IM message yeah but I turned it off eventually I turn it on every once in a while see what see what it's like dip my
00:40:48
toe in and then just turn it off again disappoint everyone you don't want to dip your toe in dang man yeah I respect
00:40:53
that but also I you're missing out on a lot Circle search pretty sick yeah oh
00:40:59
yeah but I don't want to pay for that so I'm just not going to use it I yeah I
00:41:04
would they charge so okay my my theory is that get you hooked man yeah I mean
00:41:10
yeah my theory is that they are testing the waters to see how much people actually use these AI features and if it
00:41:16
starts being a lot that means it's going to cost them a lot of inference costs to Google or or uh open AI or whoever
00:41:24
they're using as their back end because they have to pay on like a per use basis
00:41:29
per query and so if it ends up costing a lot of money they'll probably start charging and and they have a huge user
00:41:36
base they have the option to start charging people that's why they said free until at least 2025 they're like
00:41:41
we're going to wait and see but this does cost a lot of money so let's figure it out would would it be fair to say
00:41:47
that we don't know how much something like this would cost like period like every single person constantly pinging
00:41:53
data centers and running Transformer models open has like they have transparent costs for query queries and
00:42:01
stuff for like different types of queries but like at at a like Mass adoption scale like like could that have
00:42:08
the potential to actually like cost billions of dollars and not be sustainable at all
00:42:15
correct no further questions that that's sort of that's sort of the trade-off you have to make is like you could train
00:42:20
your own models but training your own models cost hundreds of millions if not billions of dollars so that so instead
00:42:26
you just lease models from other people so that's sort of the trade-off is like if you don't have a lot of users you
00:42:32
might as well just lease because it's not going to cost you that much but the users you do have are going to be very happy but if you hit a critical mass
00:42:38
where you have so many people that leasing those models is costing you so much money you might as well just put
00:42:43
the money in now to train your own model so but I and I meant like operating the
00:42:48
models too like operating the data centers oh no that costs a crap of money more on that coming up in June you
00:42:56
AI stuff well may isn't it may for I I may for Io oh it's May yeah and then IO is June
00:43:03
right okay no IO is May sorry iio is May dubdub is June and Zena
00:43:11
is and we should take a break I was thinking this goes completely off the rails uh let's do trivia trivia I was
00:43:19
thinking it I'm glad you said it okay uh so I have I'm going to do
00:43:26
we'll do the menu thing today I have a relevant Apple interacts with third party companies question or I have a fun
00:43:34
classic YouTube question Oh YouTube class YouTube yes please all right can
00:43:39
we do the other one after as the second one we'll we'll see how the rhythm of the night goes so uploaded June 16th
00:43:46
2009 I know the answer this 4.4 billion view Masterpiece is the oldest video on
00:43:53
YouTube's alltime top 30 list what video is it wait oldest what video on the top
00:44:01
30 on the top 30 alltime most views this is the oldest video on that list
00:44:07
uploaded June 16th 2009 it currently has 4.4 billion views if you did multiple
00:44:14
choice I guarantee I would get it right mhm but because it's not there are too
00:44:20
many possible options but I'm going to try well let me let me say this oh this
00:44:26
is the only video on the top 30 list uploaded in 2009 yeah none of the like
00:44:32
me at the zoo didn't get this many views it's there was my answer that there's one that has a couple hundred million
00:44:40
Shakira's Wakka Waka was uploaded in 2010 oh I think I know what it is so it's not that one and then I didn't even
00:44:47
know great song by the way there's another there's a 2011 video that was uploaded by
00:44:53
T-Series um but this 2011 in 2011 know that video said over 4 billion I
00:44:58
remember when Gangam Style was the first video to ever get 1 billion it was baby shark has 14 billion I was going to say
00:45:04
that and that's just one version of it planet Earth planet Earth doesn't have that many babies to watch how many how many
00:45:12
people St we have like 8 billion people total yeah the and they're all watching
00:45:18
baby shark God like twice yo that stat is actually crazy cuz if you think about
00:45:24
it there are a lot of babies who haven't seen baby shark which means the average number of times each baby who has seen
00:45:31
baby shark has replayed it is probably I will say that I bet you parents just cycle baby shark without watching it
00:45:38
just as music on YouTube it's kind of like like do you remember the era before Spotify where the way that people would
00:45:44
listen to music was to just watch YouTube videos oh that's how they got billions yeah that's how they get repeat
00:45:49
views for sure people didn't really care about the music video they just wanted to hear the song mhm when I got my first
00:45:55
iPod touch that came with that the YouTube app and as soon as it clicked for me I was like it's over for the
00:46:00
music industry I'm never paying again the YouTube app was pretty pretty OG
00:46:06
even just baby shark on Spotify has 685 million plays that's way less than I but
00:46:12
that's only the audio version and not including the like probably 20 different ways you can listen to it on YouTube
00:46:18
there's probably 8,000 remixes of it as well compared to 14 billion that's nothing it's it is nothing despacito has
00:46:25
8 billion views which is kind of funny that like everyone has seen despacito once I've never seen the music I see
00:46:31
again also has like I was just going to say how many times have you guys seen the Baby Shark video Zero never watched
00:46:36
it you've never watched it never watch it I've watched it at least six times that's the thing either zero or six
00:46:43
played it when out of curiosity cuz I see this list all the time and I'm like oh I should watch it someone put it on
00:46:49
when I brought Lan the other dayer oh yeah yeah that's the first time I've ever started to watch it don't submit
00:46:57
your child no she only listens to Creed thank God
00:47:03
you okay we'll take a break we'll be back with the answers of course at the end see you
00:47:16
soon welcome back uh I want to sue every
00:47:22
company on the planet who publishes news on Thursdays because it means we don't talk
00:47:27
about it in our defense they published this like Thursday afternoon so even if we recorded on Thursdays we probably
00:47:33
would have missed it it was also funny because the bonus episode came out and there were people like two episodes now where you haven't talked about this we
00:47:40
recorded that a month ago come on okay so we're finally going to talk about it okay yeah yes what we missed last week
00:47:47
uh the Department of Justice has formerly sued Apple Inc over
00:47:53
monopolization stuff um and there's a there's a whole big old 88 page Court
00:48:00
filing that I read that was hard a little hard to read but also it was kind
00:48:05
of written in like a story way which was interesting like it literally starts off
00:48:11
with this okay the way this this filing starts off is a Story upon a time in a
00:48:16
land far away kind of it it it's retelling this uh Amazon Kindle ad about
00:48:23
how this person was like using the Kindle app on their iPhone and then grabs an Android phone and
00:48:30
continues reading on the Kindle app on their Android phone and there's an email from an Apple person which stop sending
00:48:36
emails that are incriminating guys like just stop doing this who says look at this ad you can easily switch to reading
00:48:44
your Kindle on your on an Android phone that's a bad thing that's a terrible
00:48:49
thing and it's like why you know so they're clearly saying we want to create
00:48:55
these Gates this is how the filing opens to kind of paint this this uh picture of
00:49:02
how apple is trying to keep you in their ecosystem that's compelling yeah good story it's like a music video
00:49:09
no it kind of is yeah no it it tells multiple stor like started this way yeah
00:49:14
yeah uh but it centers around Apple building a dominant iPhone ecosystem and intentionally stifling competitors
00:49:20
ability to compete and also locking in users things we all know that Apple just does uh it also complains about shave
00:49:27
shifting restrictions and rules with the App Store um and then also it makes all
00:49:32
of these allegories to when they broke up Microsoft and well they didn't break
00:49:38
up Microsoft but when they uh sued Microsoft way back when and they say
00:49:43
that Apple only grew to the Behemoth that they are today because of that lawsuit effectively what was happening
00:49:50
at the time is Microsoft was making quick time not work correctly on Windows
00:49:55
computers which had like 97% of the market at the time and they had apparently actually intentionally
00:50:02
written code into Windows computers that would make QuickTime like break and just
00:50:08
not work which basically didn't yeah I feel like I experienced this you probably did
00:50:15
you didn't do Windows Media Player with the cool no I had that well you had to I guess definitely star at that for a
00:50:21
while but I think quick time was one of the early screen recorders and uh it was not good yeah on on Windows and iTunes
00:50:28
is like founded in quick time so the way that the Department of Justice painted this was only because we sued Microsoft
00:50:34
and H forced them to allow Apple to create applications on your platform
00:50:40
that work correctly was Apple able to launch iTunes and therefore launch the iPod which they say is the whole reason
00:50:47
that Apple like grew to the Behemoth that they are today I I'm sure that's a reason I would say the Mac is probably a
00:50:53
more um like valuable product for them but the iPod obviously did sort of start
00:51:00
a whole thing for them it allowed them to be a platform you know it definitely did and but could you argue that Mac got
00:51:07
more popular because they went after Microsoft and hurt Microsoft in some way which had such market share so like even
00:51:13
still so the Department of Justice created Apple is what they're getting at yeah that's what they're saying yeah
00:51:19
which is funny uh anyway there are five primary complaints in this document and
00:51:26
I figured that we go through all of them and just kind of discuss like if they're valid or not because there's a lot of
00:51:32
controversial takes in this filing there's a lot of things that I would say like I kind of see what you're saying
00:51:38
but I feel like you're reaching in order to just break up Apple you know yeah I would say like before we get into these
00:51:45
yeah what would a what would a success look like for the doj for suing Apple
00:51:51
cuz breaking up Apple doesn't seem possible but like what do they actually want to accomplish here I think that I
00:51:57
mean there's five different categories and I would assume that it's like winning on all five of these categories
00:52:03
and if if they win then they change Apple change Apple's behavior in some
00:52:08
way yeah basically changing their behavior I think is what they're trying to do okay okay so let's just go through
00:52:13
the five categories in order okay the number one category that the Department of Justice says uh Apple is
00:52:19
anti-competitive for is not allowing super apps which I don't really
00:52:26
understand this complaint very much um because we just don't really have super apps in the United States what is a
00:52:31
super app so we don't but in China there's this app called WeChat which is a super app and the argument is that
00:52:38
Apple does things like delay updates to WeChat and things like that that make it just more difficult to have that on the
00:52:45
App Store so WeChat is on the app store which is why I find it confusing a super
00:52:51
app by the way is like it's an app that you can do a ton of different things in so in China yeah so in China there's a
00:52:59
super the the super app is called WeChat and you can pay your taxes in WeChat you can order a tax you make a dentist
00:53:05
appointment and then when you get to your dentist office you sign in check in with WeChat and then pay with WeChat
00:53:11
yeah you pay with WeChat it's like a it's it's everything and so I think that the department of Justice's reasoning
00:53:17
here is if you have a single app that allows you to do anything and it's not about the hardware at all you could
00:53:24
easily move to an Android phone because as long as you have this app that has all these services on it that are interoperable depending on like and it
00:53:30
doesn't matter what Hardware you're using then it would be a lot easier for people to move to Android phones and
00:53:36
they're saying Apple's not allowing that yes which I don't really understand I
00:53:42
think it's because even though the app is on the App Store it's a cut down
00:53:47
version of the full mobile app it doesn't have full functionality so like I'm looking at the reviews right now in
00:53:52
the App Store and one of the reviews is a three star review and it says still very annoying to have to use the mobile
00:53:58
version to get the full system to work at all the mobile like I'm assuming like
00:54:03
Mobile in browser version or something like that like all these different yeah all these different features that WeChat
00:54:09
has built in you get a sliced down mobile version in Apple's app versus if you have an Android phone you just get
00:54:15
the full the full app and The Full Experience interesting yeah I would also guess that Apple has a lot of
00:54:20
restrictions on what apps are allowed to do yeah I think that's probably what something else that apple has been
00:54:26
specifically like trying to block is like having too many micr services within an app because then they have to
00:54:34
review everything that the app can do right their main complaint around not
00:54:39
allowing game streaming services which they now do um which is strange that the game streaming thing is a complaint
00:54:45
because they now allow game streaming services their main reason that they didn't allow game streaming services for a long creative time is because they
00:54:51
were saying we'd have to review every single game that's on the service to
00:54:56
make sure that it's not harmful to the user and every time there's an update to
00:55:01
any of the games on a game streaming service we'd have to review every single update to every single title on a game
00:55:08
streaming service MH the Department of Justice says that the reason that they didn't allow that was that you could use
00:55:16
any hardware there's an email from uh an apple person that says here's a problem
00:55:22
if a user goes to a garage sale and pays five bucks for an Android phone and
00:55:27
everything is cloud-based they don't need high-end hardware and then they don't even need an iPhone that's an
00:55:33
issue we should deal with that yeah this is this is coming back again to like I'm sure with each one of these complaints
00:55:39
apple has a public facing reason and a real reason right and I feel like we're going to hear a lot in the public of
00:55:46
what Apple will say is the reason but we also know that they clearly do not want the walls of the garden to get any
00:55:52
smaller yeah yeah the juiciest part of this entire thing is going to be discovery where the Department of
00:55:57
Justice gets to go through all of their emails and we get to find out real reasons yeah it's going to be amazing um
00:56:04
yeah so what do you guys think about this this super app thing I think it's right in line so the the reason that
00:56:10
Apple will say is this super app thing it does too many things it takes too long to review and it is not something
00:56:17
that we want in our store but the real reason that's also true is if someone
00:56:23
uses all of the features of this super app to do everything and doesn't need anything else about the iPhone then they can easily switch to another phone right
00:56:30
so theoretically that's one of the reasons that they should change and allow super apps I get it which is kind
00:56:37
of like the fediverse just saying it is also kind of weird that Apple's like well we have to look over
00:56:43
all of these different things and like come on that's a lot of stuff but it's like you own an insane amount of market
00:56:49
share you have plenty of resources like it's a little weird to be like come on
00:56:54
we can't do all you can't expect us to do all of that we're just like the number one company no but you can't
00:56:59
expect the game stores to even submit all of that like like on the Xbox cloud
00:57:05
gaming thing it's like there's thousands of titles you know like how are how's that process even going to work yeah in
00:57:12
January of this year Apple actually started allowing game streaming yeah so
00:57:17
this complaint is kind of moot now um and it's kind of weird that it's in the filing at all but you know they probably
00:57:23
finished it before Janu yeah the government doesn't work quickly also Netflix exists does someone at
00:57:30
Apple sit down and watch every mie movie well no cuz a movie is not a game how's that any different dude if you want to
00:57:36
know what constitutes a game go watch the Epic versus Apple Tri I get that I
00:57:42
mean it's still content yeah I think he's saying like but games can be like more harmful with like microt
00:57:48
transactions and things that are controlling your phone and stuff for controls and stuff the gutters of steam
00:57:55
too have some things that like barely should never be seen by human eyes think
00:58:01
about the games that are on the like Google Play Store that actually are just malware you know that gets caught like
00:58:06
do you think there's a difference multiple times a month they're like oh this came was malware we had to take it down you know so okay so we sort of went
00:58:13
through the game streaming one as well as the super app one the third one is messaging and there was some stuff that
00:58:19
I learned here that I didn't actually know um like apple doesn't allow third party apps to send SMS messages so the
00:58:26
only way that you can send an SMS on an iPhone is through the messages app okay yeah that's pretty straightforward which
00:58:32
is pretty straightforward um and that's a super easy one to have a public and a private me like a the public thing is
00:58:39
SMS super insecure we don't want to just let any app go out sending SMS messages
00:58:45
or receiving insecure messages but obviously if you allow third-party apps
00:58:50
to send and receive SMS then people won't use Apple's app to send and receive SMS think about getting like
00:58:56
Factor authentication codes mhm anytime you get one comes through the messages app the more your messages app shows up
00:59:02
in front of your face the more you're just going to start using it yeah what's their reasoning for not want for only
00:59:09
having messages to do SMS I mean Apple hasn't replied to they haven't replied
00:59:14
okay I would guess that it's privacy But the irony the the intense irony is then
00:59:20
like then use the open secure standard use RCS uh yeah which they did say they were
00:59:27
going to use but we still don't know what the implementation of that's going to be all these things talk yeah CL
00:59:32
ticking that's this year it's supposed to happen yeah but that's such a long period of time it was like in January
00:59:39
that they mentioned no no it was last year last year and they said it would happen in 2024 like December 26th I hope
00:59:44
that happens at WWDC but Merry Christmas RCS yeah just like they did
00:59:50
with the carplay stuff in the forest where like oh we forgot we promis this okay fine yeah um so that's a big thing
00:59:57
and then obviously they talk about you know the green bubble blue bubble Fiasco and just the insane amount of uh high
01:00:05
percentage of teenagers who are planning to buy an iPhone specifically for that reason it is so high in the United
01:00:11
States we understand WhatsApp exists please do not comment just use WhatsApp but also like every time I read the
01:00:16
stats I'm like damn yeah and it just gets higher and higher and higher every it's crazy yeah yeah um okay one of the
01:00:23
other things was that they do not allow the Apple watch to work on Android phones and they make the functionality
01:00:30
of other SmartWatches way harder or way worse so an example of this is that on
01:00:36
the Apple watch you can respond to messages you know with the keyboard or
01:00:41
with your voice or all this stuff you can interact with notifications and it can pull all that kind of stuff if you
01:00:47
use an iPhone and you have a smartwatch you can't get a notification and pull up
01:00:53
the app on your Smartwatch yeah you can't respond to message on your Smartwatch if it's connected to an
01:00:58
iPhone correct Adam wait I think so say that again if you have an iPhone or if you don't if you don't have an iPhone
01:01:04
sorry if you have an iPhone and you have a non-apple smartwatch it's it's highly deprecated correct yes this is one of
01:01:11
the only ones where I feel like I kind of get Apple's perspective not even
01:01:16
perspective I just feel like competitively they're like look we made this phone and we made this watch and we
01:01:23
made our phone work with our watch if you're not not one of those tough like
01:01:29
obviously it would be nice if you could force Apple to make their phone more
01:01:34
compatible with other people's stuff but it's like who car like you don't have to actually that's not actually necessary I
01:01:41
think the idea is that they have such dominant market share in the United States right that they're kind of
01:01:47
they're abusing their market share to make everything worse to keep people using their products and which again is
01:01:55
like in their right to do kind of but also I think the Department of Justice Just cares about promoting competition
01:02:02
and without taking action to allow other people to use other devices the
01:02:08
percentage of people on iPhones and apple watches is just going to go up and up and up yeah this is this is one of those complaints I think that only works
01:02:15
because of their dominance yes because you wouldn't even really care if there was another small Smartwatch and a small
01:02:20
smartphone and they only work with each other fine whatever go in the corner and do your thing yeah I totally agree with
01:02:26
that that part I think it I don't know if I agree or no I don't agree with apple saying like we built this phone we
01:02:32
built this watch put them together because there are just other watches that fill specific niches better like
01:02:38
Garmin is specifically is so good at so many things that it's been doing for so long and to just like take away some
01:02:44
basic functionality of what makes it a smartwatch then to there are plenty of people who have iPhones that probably
01:02:49
want a Garmin watch because of maybe the like way better GPS or ruggedness of it versus I know they did watch but like
01:02:57
that feels really the phrasing is interesting cuz if you say take away
01:03:02
it's almost like this was out there and they like took it away but they never
01:03:08
had to enable it ever in the first place they never had to enable and ever but like that's that's what they
01:03:14
argument I get it I agree with Andrew though because like there's ways to
01:03:20
differentiate your product based on a compelling feature that users want like the Apple watch has Siri I miss that
01:03:27
every day that I've been using a Garmin it's actually useful on the Apple watch just setting timers doing random things
01:03:32
awesome so the fact that I have a Garmin and doesn't have Siri that's what I get I don't have an Apple Watch but I can't
01:03:37
turn off certain notifications from apps because I have a Garmin yeah it would that is dumb yeah there's a lot of dumb
01:03:44
I would say it would be a much stronger argument for the features of the Apple watch if all smartw watches could have
01:03:50
the same access then it would be like all right we're literally that's the whole point of this whole lawsuit but then we just be buying the watch based
01:03:57
on which one has the features we like and some people would pick the Apple watch some people would pick the Garment some people would pick this and that or whatever but Apple feels this extra need
01:04:04
on top to be like well we don't have to make ours work with others so we just won't and now there's only one choice of
01:04:11
an Act full featured Smartwatch for the iPhone right by the logic of Apple made their thing that can only work with
01:04:17
their product it's like okay so all other SmartWatches now can't tell time no they can all do stuff on their own
01:04:24
they just don't have the plugs the hooks into the iPhone to take advantage of the features that come from being connected
01:04:30
to an but also there's basic features they can sounds explain explain the notifications thing so like if I'm on
01:04:37
Android and I have a Garin watch and this actually happened a couple weeks ago because I walked into Andrew I
01:04:42
walked into the office and I went up to Andrew and I was like Andrew can you help me figure out this garment thing because I can't figure it out and we
01:04:48
pulled up our phones next to each other and I was on iOS he was on Android and I followed him step by step into settings
01:04:54
to turn off certain app notifications and on Android it gives you a list of all the apps I could turn off WhatsApp I
01:05:01
could keep on SMS text messaging I could turn off Instagram I could keep on threads on iOS it's all or nothing I can
01:05:10
only get notifications on my watch or I can't get notifications on my watch so it's like little things like that where it's like just annoying insane do we my
01:05:17
only question on that is are we sure that's not Gman making that decision or no that's that's an iOS thing Android
01:05:25
allows it and iPhone doesn't and on your Apple watch you can choose individual
01:05:30
notifications yes that would drive me I literally I would not use a G watch if I
01:05:35
had an iPhone the thing the complaint is not that it's like that're they can't really do it it's that they're so big
01:05:43
that it's the only viable option in the market really it's also just wild cuz
01:05:48
like apple is good enough at giving itself differentiating features that like I just think will always work
01:05:55
better because you're in the same ecosystem why take the extra step because I think it's because if you if
01:06:01
you just do these little things that make it just like Ah that's annoying Ah that's annoying that's the whole headphones thing yeah that's like why
01:06:07
airpods are so dominant it's not like airpods are the best headphones ever but there are like two or three magical
01:06:13
features that work perfectly with the iPhone yes that are just the reason people buy it question the W2 chip right
01:06:21
what it has is is that made by Apple but so that's like is it H2 now wait is it
01:06:27
W2 or I thought it was W2 I think it started as W because it was the same ship from the watch but they changed it
01:06:32
to H okay so we'll just call it the chip that connects them I think that's an example of actually they made that chip
01:06:38
they made that good it's something specific that is something that just is a feature that is better but like go or
01:06:46
jbird is not going to have that jbird can still connect but rather than just like taking away an easy way to connect
01:06:52
from jbird they're giving you something extra I think fine and that makes airpods great MH but like to be like hey
01:07:00
your Garmin watch can't differentiate notifications is like yeah there's the difference between adding features on
01:07:06
top that is like this works it there's additional magic that happens with Apple products and services versus here's a
01:07:13
basic feature that you just can't do if you're connected to something else yeah I guess headphones are are more onedimensional where it's like all you
01:07:19
really do is does the audio go to the phone and back great does it have a mic does it pair great but with a smartwatch
01:07:25
there's 15 or 20 features so it feels much more obvious when 12 of them are nuked and the weird thing too is that
01:07:31
they this is all happening to Apple customers already you already have an iPhone and they're punishing you for not
01:07:37
buying their other product it's not like oh you have an iPhone well then sure go buy a Garmin because you're already an
01:07:43
iPhone user it's like no you bought a Garmin now you're going to pay because you didn't buy the Apple watch yeah and their other complaint is that the Apple
01:07:50
watch is pretty expensive and because it only works with the iPhone if you buy an
01:07:55
Apple watch you're less incentivized to move to an Android phone because then you just have to throw your Apple watch away that's an interesting perspective
01:08:02
because theoretically you could switch to an Android phone and then get all of
01:08:08
the the features that you're talking about that you want from the watch right you could get all the specific
01:08:13
notifications back to the Garmin thing like you okay you have an iPhone and you see the Garmin you want all the features
01:08:19
that you get from Android so you theoretically can switch to Android and Garmin right and I guess their theory is
01:08:27
the friction of that no you have the Garmin already oh well I mean okay so you have an iPhone you bought the Garmin
01:08:33
the Futures don't work you can switch to an Android phone on the spot but that friction is enough that people don't do
01:08:39
it and instead they don't get the Garmin they buy the Apple watch and then the Apple watch further locks you into the
01:08:44
ecosystem because then you bought a $450 watch that only works with your iPhone so if you decide to switch to an Android
01:08:50
phone your watch is now useless and you have to buy not only are you throwing away yeah not only are you throwing away
01:08:56
the $400 that you spent you now have to spend another 300 on a Garmin watch but that's different I'm okay with that
01:09:02
because that is them differentiating their thing like our watch only works with our phone and as much as it sucks I
01:09:08
get it but taking away features after already bought the thing that's where I have the issue with it yeah yeah it is I
01:09:16
don't know I still think the Apple watch should work with Android phones I get if it doesn't work as fluidly with it but
01:09:21
like just it should have doesn't work cuz the pixel watch doesn't work with iPhones so really nobody though does the
01:09:27
mad because yeah does the Galaxy watch work with iPhones no it's I know the Galaxy watch works on it works better
01:09:34
with Galaxy phones yeah sure and again I'm like which is slippery yeah that's
01:09:40
true what are the things that works better with those it's usually because it's just connected to like other Samsung apps with
01:09:46
inside won't have on your yeah like normal I don't know I used a Samsung watch on my pixel for a year and it was
01:09:54
totally fine use the Galaxy watch with with the iPhone I thought there was one
01:10:00
that you can use it with an iPhone but you can't set it up with an iPhone so you need to first pair it to an Android
01:10:07
phone set it up yeah I'm on Reddit right now then unpair it then pair it with an iPhone good go but in the case of the
01:10:13
pixel watch not working at all with an iPhone are we mad because Google should
01:10:18
totally support the iPhone or are we like yeah it's a Google phone and a Google watch this is like the abusing
01:10:24
Monopoly power question Google is so behind that it we don't really care that
01:10:30
said I think we should care because this is how you build monopolies but also though who's restricting the use between
01:10:37
them is it Google saying you can't use Google yeah Google does not because you can build SmartWatches that will at
01:10:44
least connect and work with the iPhone there doesn't at all and the funny thing is Google has just been trying to copy
01:10:49
Apple's ecosystem play for the last ever since pixel came out yeah but specifically now they're like let's
01:10:55
build a watch and headphones and like a laptop like they're specifically trying
01:11:01
to match the ecosystem that Apple has and they're doing it in a very similar way of like the pixel watch only works
01:11:06
on on Android phones you know which yeah Goog Google have some has some Monopoly
01:11:13
claims as well on them so absolutely they're not scotch free 100% um yeah
01:11:19
okay now that we so the the watch is a big one the watch is for sure a big one yeah big uh last thing last major
01:11:26
complaint is that access to the NFC chip on iPhones yeah you can only used with
01:11:34
like apple wallet and Apple pay yeah and their complaint which technically true is that like if I
01:11:41
was a bank I could theoretically offer my own Wallet app that maybe could
01:11:48
compete with other Banks cuz I could say if you use our Wallet app then we give you special rewards and then that
01:11:55
incentivizes me to move over to Chase or move over to Bank of America or something like that but because Apple
01:12:02
controls the fire hose of Apple pay and you can only use the NFC chip with Apple
01:12:08
pay on the on the iPhone uh they don't allow like anybody to do that the other
01:12:15
thing is that they also take a cut of every payment that is made through Apple
01:12:20
pay yeah that's not that much different from like using a credit card though right don't credit cards have they do
01:12:27
but theoretically as a consumer you have the option to like give that money to Chase or Bank of America or
01:12:33
whatever like on an Android phone you can use a different Wallet app and make
01:12:39
a payment and have someone else take a cut and I use a different service and it'll go through NFC and still work for
01:12:45
sure like the NFC chip works with it's like a there's an API for the NFC chip that you can use as Samsung or that you
01:12:51
Samsung pay could use that or Google pay could use that you have to sort of compete and I honestly think that that's
01:12:57
a reason that Google pay one of the many versions of Google P that we've had at this point gole P like two versions ago
01:13:04
or one version ago had this weird rewards system going on where like if you use Google pay more you would like
01:13:09
build up rewards that you could use for like other things and I don't know this one's a little weak I don't think people
01:13:15
are going to go out there and be like yeah instead of Apple pay and apple wallet I want to use Bank of America
01:13:20
wallet like people aren't going to do that but still but let them fight for it let fight give them the chance at making
01:13:26
that ultimately I think this whole claim come is just about competition in the
01:13:31
marketplace yeah like apple specifically makes it so that other people can't even compete with them to offer a better deal
01:13:38
that would incentivize consumers to go over there um and one note that I forgot
01:13:43
about the super app thing was like the big reason why the Chinese Android
01:13:49
market is so insane and why there's like two Android phones coming out per day in
01:13:54
China is because everything is about WeChat and so people don't really care about
01:14:00
the iPhone over there because they're just like it's an app and I can use whatever Hardware I want and it just
01:14:06
makes this incredibly vibrant Hardware ecosystem it is so different that's why xiaomi and and Oppo and like so many
01:14:12
other oems over there are in such Fierce competition it's because they're trying to give you reasons to buy their phone
01:14:18
over the other one the reason a Naruto phone exists yeah most people are just I'm buying a phone to use WeChat so I
01:14:23
don't really care what's on the phone but if you can convince me I'm open to listening so they're in Fierce
01:14:28
competition over there which is really exciting yeah meanwhile over here we're like no NFC yeah yeah yeah yeah I just
01:14:35
remember it was so funny how long other Android phones had NFC and how like this Niche Community around NFC was built up
01:14:42
with the little tags you can be like every time I get in my car I like tap it and it goes into auto mode and navigates
01:14:47
home and plays the song I like and turns on the heater at home like all this stuff and like the iPhone never had NFC
01:14:53
and when it finally got the NFC chip like what can we do with it's like oh no it's just there for God why well
01:15:01
now you could do things with it with like shortcuts and stuff but a few more it's all somewhere in Apple's ecosystem
01:15:06
yeah yeah yeah yeah so um a few really amazing quotes from this uh there was
01:15:12
this quote that someone said looking at it with hindsight I think going forward we need to set a stake in the ground for what features we think are good enough
01:15:19
for the consumer I would argue we've we already doing more than would what would have been good enough a few years ago
01:15:25
it would be really hard to regress our product features year-over-year so someone at Apple is saying we've
01:15:31
actually like we already have so much market dominance that we're we're actually giving you too many new
01:15:37
features we should slow down and I actually wish we could take away features so we could trickle feed you
01:15:43
these features year-over-year yeah but that would be really difficult so going forward we need to make sure that we
01:15:49
don't innovate too quickly it's like holy crap just sending this stuff each
01:15:55
other in in the group chat stop emailing this stuff by your mom and iPhone no
01:16:00
that was that's in the document oh I know yeah yeah yeah yeah I think that that quote is going to haunt Tim Cook
01:16:06
for the rest of his career it so perfectly encapsulates everything though lit it's the question the answer and the
01:16:13
way he grins while he answers like all so perfect words it's five words that are going to be on his gravestone it's
01:16:19
so perfect for that yeah I feel bad for him for that though cuz he was clearly just joking not really but joking the
01:16:25
only reason it was a good joke is cuz that sliver of Truth is like but actually it's the only way you can see
01:16:31
these videos that your mom is sending you yeah yeah I would argue that when you're the CEO of a trillion dollar
01:16:36
company you you lose your joking privileges like we have the right to take everything you say you can make the
01:16:42
joke but we're allowed to take it way too seriously that's fair yeah yeah if you have a market cap over with nine
01:16:47
digits we don't listen to your jokes anymore we love you sol rule yeah n fa
01:16:54
so yeah enough people to clap for you at the the events anyways you don't need us to if you rewatch that uh that clip I
01:17:00
think it was from code 2023 um it's it's really awkward because as soon as he says byy your mom and
01:17:07
iPhone everyone starts laughing like really awkwardly like everyone in the
01:17:12
crowd is like H and so we leave buy your mom on iPhone it's cuz he like technically
01:17:19
addressed the elephant which is like you guys have this huge Walled Garden and I
01:17:25
really would like to be able to do this without buying my mom an iPhone so what are your thoughts and you're the CEO of
01:17:30
Apple so you can't say anything other than just get your mom on iPhone like what do you think I'm going to say so it
01:17:36
was kind of funny in the truth of how revealing that was and what precur that statement was on someone saying like hey
01:17:43
so it's like very difficult to message between different devices and it's really annoying and like him and his mom
01:17:50
like send blurry messages well before he said the mom comment he was just like it's it's difficult to text and Tim Cook
01:17:56
just says we haven't heard from our users that they want interop better
01:18:02
interoperability with Android phones is hilarious specifically said our users cuz of course people that use iMessage
01:18:08
are not the ones that are upset about this yeah so anyway um yeah that's going
01:18:14
to go to his grave uh this is going to take multiple years in the court system they're going to appeal it it's going to be a whole thing it's why I think I
01:18:20
should start making a video about it because it'll be Evergreen you should because will take forever with this and
01:18:26
I I also like I think the analogy of we've said the words Walled Garden so many times that I feel like it's worth
01:18:33
like actually painting the wall in color so you can see exactly what's happening yeah like this is what happens when
01:18:39
you're in the wall garden and this is the wall you hit when you try to leave you can't get customized notifications
01:18:46
on anything else so you have another Apple thing you can't get transparency mode on any of these others with one
01:18:52
click so now you have Apple's headphones too now you have app's laptop too now I have Apple's messaging service too and
01:18:58
that I think is worth a video in some way sort of trying to crystallize that
01:19:03
even the Vision Pro it only works with apple ecosystem apps that are like not
01:19:09
available on on Android phon I said it before it came out I was like when Apple makes a headset it will be the one that
01:19:14
works with the iPhone and even though it doesn't connect to the iPhone it's the one that has iMessage on it it's the one that has FaceTime on it it's the one
01:19:20
that has the App Store it's just exactly if you have an Android phone and you don't really use Apple ID that much the
01:19:26
headset's basically worthless yeah I mean you can still I use an Android
01:19:31
phone and I use an uh I can still use apps in the App Store so like there's that if you don't want to use
01:19:38
multiplatform apps you can jump in use Vision Pro apps in there but you're not going to use FaceTime you're not going to use iMessage you're not going to use
01:19:45
probably their built-in email app or Safari because you have bookmarks in Chrome whatever so yeah those walls
01:19:50
still exist um and I will say as sort of a what on that that whole thing about
01:19:56
iTunes growing uh because of windows it's kind of a valid point because at
01:20:02
the time Windows had 95 97% market share right so imagine Apple's trying to grow
01:20:08
this new product Apple's I don't know Garmin at the in this juncture they're trying to grow this new product but the
01:20:15
platform that is completely dominating the market doesn't allow you to put out
01:20:21
your application for people to actually use it if iTunes couldn't have get gotten put on Windows would iTunes have
01:20:28
like grown to the the point where it was you know if if it couldn't have been put on Windows yeah cuz it couldn't at first
01:20:35
like quick time didn't really work with Windows at first you think Apple like saw that lawsuit and understands like
01:20:41
the line they have to skirt to kind of not turn into that which now they pretty
01:20:47
much have but like they're skirting it real close they're skirting it real close I like seeing all of this and
01:20:52
seeing all the things if all all five of these things change all I think of this
01:20:57
is like apple one already like what all of these things happened to put people
01:21:03
in this garden and they're in the garden already they're not coming out with all of these things change which I don't
01:21:09
even think all of these things will change but like let's say every single thing happens for the doj here because
01:21:14
it should happen yeah and some of the walls have holes in them now there's a couple holes 25 ft up and you can't buy
01:21:22
a ladder on the app store to get up there but um it's just like it feels like all these things happen to stifle competition and they stifled it enough
01:21:29
to their winning in every aspect yeah I don't it's not going to change very much depending on the implementation of RCs
01:21:36
uh next year I will very likely be switching to an Android phone so which is why they will be doing everything in
01:21:42
their power to implement it in a way that makes that less compelling right I think even that though is such a small
01:21:48
user like it doesn't mean anything to them the amount of people that would think that is absolutely nothing it does
01:21:55
feel a little bit like too too late too late I think your point is there there are lots of people who already have the
01:22:01
MacBook and the iPhone and the Apple watch and everything but there is a world where there are like 12year olds right now who are about to get their
01:22:07
first two devices and maybe they'll get the Garmin watch instead I guess that's what I should say it's too late for
01:22:13
probably maybe in like our lifetime or in like a couple Generations whereas I'm sure when Microsoft got hit with this
01:22:20
people were like well they own 97% already it's too late but now we're at a point where it's like oh there is some competition so maybe they're hitting it
01:22:27
now get her first or when Lane's when Lane's kids get their phones they might
01:22:33
have something different yeah I mean when when you're growing up as a kid and like you're a parent and you need to get a phone for your kid you don't want to
01:22:38
get them a new like an iPhone 15 Pro and they're 9 years old right please don't
01:22:43
Tim would say Tim would say that M iPhone 15 Pro Max but if your kid's 9
01:22:49
years old and all their friends have iMessage and they're getting bullied for not having iMessage they're going to go
01:22:54
to you and be like but I need the iPhone dad and like if that's not there their dad's a nerd and it's going to have some
01:23:00
very funny answers you're going love this but no no sorry that's again like super anecdotal if that barrier isn't
01:23:06
there and it's and it's less like those kids can get anything that their parents will give them and also you know people
01:23:12
tend to stick with brands for a long period of time throughout their entire life I remember when the LG G8 thin Q
01:23:20
came out and it was like damn throw back at least three generations into people just not buying LG phones anymore really
01:23:27
and I was in Uber and the Uber guy had it and I was like why did you pick this phone I literally asked him oh I had an
01:23:33
a yeah yeah she and he was like oh I've just always used LG since like the flip phones like people just stick with
01:23:39
Brands yeah I have the same thing I have an aunt that was on um I swear I had this conversation at wedding it was like
01:23:45
I have a S6 what which Samsung should I get like that's the question they're asking
01:23:51
should I get the s20 s22
01:24:54
bets yeah totally totally could happen well we've talked for a while about this so we should take another quick break
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but before we do we
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should do [Music]
01:25:14
trivia this is the third time we're doing this although no one else will know that but us okay first or second
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question God I'm so thrown off now one more time no why not why not four time
01:25:29
four times a charm when was the first Google iio when was the first dub duub that's the question for two points one
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point for two at right answers we'll see we'll see all right we got to brainstorm some of these dates we'll think about him and we'll be right
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back all right welcome back we have one more quick story just because this is a long episode but we wanted to get to it
01:25:54
and then we'll do trivia again um did you see the leaked email from Elon to
01:25:59
Tesla about how they want to enable full self-driving on all vehicles leaving the factory I didn't I I saw this headline
01:26:06
but I didn't actually look at into what's what what is happening sure so Elon uh sent out an email that says
01:26:12
going forward it is mandatory in North America to install and activate FSD version
01:26:17
12.3.1 and take customers on a short test ride before handing over the car almost no one actually realizes how well
01:26:23
supervised FS actually works I know this will slow down the delivery Pro process but is nonetheless a hard requirement so
01:26:30
it seems like from the factory now all of the cars will have it enabled and I
01:26:35
guess they want people to all go on test drives to physically see how FSD Works
01:26:40
rather than just people spending however like $15,000 now but
01:26:46
whatever the price has been fluctuating over the last 10 years so you take delivery so so what happens is if you if
01:26:53
you bought full self driving you will accept delivery and then you'll get in the car and they give you a quick demo
01:26:58
of it and then you leave and you know how to use it if you didn't buy it you will accept delivery they will give you
01:27:04
a test ride in your car which has it enabled and then once the test ride's over it gets turned off and they go make
01:27:11
sure you unlock that I just realized $1,000 yeah and I guess that's a pretty
01:27:18
Brute Force way of going our conversion rate isn't high enough we need more people to buy FSD yeah yeah I feel like
01:27:23
it's along the lines of like we've converted the the like super fans of
01:27:28
Tesla who really want FSD but now we're like you know we're so we're mainstream
01:27:34
enough now that enough people are buying it that aren't really Tesla like online Tesla people so let's give them a look
01:27:41
at what this is because they're not reading articles or watching Twitter right I just feel like the only people
01:27:46
this is going to work on is the people that by the top trim model S it does
01:27:52
$155,000 on top of what you're
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01:28:54
aut pilot is a whole another debate but I think just having FSD these acronyms
01:29:00
are so annoying I know FSD is called Full self-driving but it's not full self-driving it's one step above the
01:29:07
cruise control that is adaptive speed cruise control so like right now this is funny the Cyber truck which no matter
01:29:12
what you paid for doesn't have autopilot or FST it just has adaptive cruise control and the the button is sitting
01:29:19
there in the app great called autopilot just cruise control ad cruise control on
01:29:24
the Cyber Tru and it's not I mean it's fine it's basically you still steer
01:29:29
everything but it's keeping the distance with the car in front of you and that's all that's happening doesn't even keep you in the lane doesn't even keep you in the lane what my model 3 does that right
01:29:36
my for does that right so when you add autopilot or Fu you add FSD you get to
01:29:44
the point where okay it'll hold you in the lane you can switch lanes and it also adds like the summon feature and auto park and stuff like that but at
01:29:50
least now you can like take your hands off the wheel and it will Glide you around the highway and that's that's
01:29:56
more relaxing that's what people I think are generally impressed by and happy to pay for but then the next highest level
01:30:03
of like full-on autopilot which is this can navigate around streets for you and like stop at intersections and go around
01:30:10
roundabouts and all this other stuff that is a whole separate debate and only
01:30:15
the highest end like buyers are even willing to pay for something like that totally agreed but yeah I I guess I'm
01:30:23
super curious with what the actual numbers are like how many people actually do buy autopilot versus apparently not enough sounds like not
01:30:29
enough or the trend is going down I would guess for sure cuz yeah that's I
01:30:34
think like it's Tesla Tesla's the most mainstream electric vehicle at this
01:30:39
point to the point where it's battling against gasoline powered cars oh my God I got it backwards sorry autopilot is
01:30:45
the first level and FSD is the second level okay I said it backwards yeah fun naming thanks guys
01:30:51
it's very fun there's autopilot and then there's also enhanced autopilot right
01:30:57
yeah cool correct no it's just enhanced autopilot yeah I think so which includes
01:31:02
navigate on autopilot that's not the free one so here it is autopilot is traffic aare cruise control and auto
01:31:09
steer in one package that's basic autopilot that's the free one autopilot no other adjectives it keeps you in the
01:31:15
lane and it keeps you between cars precisely and hand can I sorry hands have to be on the wheel yeah cuz you
01:31:22
still have to yeah yeah you have it has Auto steer can't change for
01:31:28
example I have paid for nothing and my car auto Steers for me David gets on the tunnel he hits the
01:31:35
thing and he handsfree yeah for free yeah so like why would you okay so okay
01:31:41
this is my question I got you I got you I also want to clarify real quick I said mine has I have to put my hand on the
01:31:46
wheel every once in a while but I do have Lan okay you do okay I keep my hand on the wheel I just don't have to like
01:31:53
pay any attention I don't not have to do this you know okay just a recap autopilot it is free it is traffic aare
01:32:01
cruise control so it'll match the speed of traffic and it will auto steer to keep you in your marked Lane that is
01:32:07
free enhanced autopilot will get you on and off uh
01:32:13
excuse me it'll take you on on and off ramps on freeways it will do auto lane
01:32:18
change which normal autopilot does not have it includes Auto Park summon and
01:32:24
smart summon it's a lot of features as well but it's also $6,000 that is
01:32:29
enhanced autopilot okay if your car and we can pause there if your car already will hold its Lane on the highway and
01:32:35
turn on Highway lanes are people going to want to spend the
01:32:40
$6,000 for auto lane change and getting off the exit ramp does it stop at the
01:32:46
end of the exit ramp yeah it turns off at the end of the exit ramp wait so say that statement again your car your car
01:32:52
already does what your car does which is it all it does is stay in the lane and on the highway follow and follow speeds
01:32:59
great cool $6,000 more for enhanced autopilot will get you Lane auto lane
01:33:05
change and it will take the exit ramp to the end of the exit ramp and it will park and it will and it can do auto park
01:33:11
or summon I would argue summon is a party trick that no one uses yeah but
01:33:16
Auto Park debatably useful I mean just get good $6,000 at parking yeah that's
01:33:24
kind of a tough sell I got to say it's not a lot of the even tougher sell is
01:33:29
the $15,000 one okay which so what is the $15,000 full self-driving which is
01:33:35
not full self-driving to be FD no full self-driving is what we refer to as a level two autonomous vehicle system not
01:33:43
very high which is not very high five levels I think there are actually six levels now oh um which is why it's a
01:33:50
whole debate okay yes okay yeah well there's five levels but it's start at level zero so there's six levels uh I
01:33:59
yeah but zero is is meat meat driving is nothing is nothing oh then that's there's five levels so there is aous
01:34:05
driving yes but they're developers so they have to start at zero cuz they're cool yeah that's probably it I see all right zero is the human yeah Z yeah so
01:34:13
I'm just going to read directly from Tesla's website just so we get you know straight from the cat's mouth your vehicle will be able to drive itself
01:34:20
almost anywhere with minimal driver intervention and will continuously improve in addition to the functionality
01:34:27
and features of autopilot and enhanced autopilot FSD capability includes Auto
01:34:33
steer on streets there is no description of what that means Auto say what does
01:34:39
that I would assume that means you get the auto steer feature from autopilot but on in nonf
01:34:46
freeway but again it was okay good to know then traffic and stop sign control
01:34:52
colon identifies stop signs and traffic lights and automatically slows your vehicle to a stop on approach with your
01:34:59
active supervision the last one doesn't it does because basically everything before is only the biggest jump here
01:35:06
we're going is to regular highway to Street getting off highways got it so and then it there's just a big long paragraph about uh full self driving
01:35:13
requires active driver supervision and does not make the vehicle autonomous which is hilarious that's so funny
01:35:18
they're just like it's basically autonomous uh disclaimer it's not Aon all caps which Full self driving small
01:35:24
text it's not autonomous driving which also it can still be impressive that
01:35:29
they're this close to doing that while still also just not being the thing that they say it is it's very confusing guess
01:35:36
I do want to like dump on this so bad but also what else could you call it you know what else could you call it LEL two
01:35:42
I mean full self-driving pretty much means it fully does everything it's just branding it be enhanced assisted
01:35:50
driving like would a regular person get that if you get like Lane assist but then
01:35:55
this one is Lane assist plus what about like almost a or Ultra as Ella said a or almost autonomous driving nearly
01:36:03
theoretically you don't have to do any input the car will drive you from point A to point B but but but it needs but
01:36:10
yeah you it can't do it without you there ready to take over say that they can do it right yeah yeah like I did my
01:36:17
demo of it where it took me you know 15-minute drive to get here and I did not at any point give the car input
01:36:23
actually Li two or three I interruped it but thetically it works correctly you don't have to give it any input and it
01:36:30
doesn't need you to take over at any point would be full would be the word
01:36:36
full is carrying a lot of weight interesting full full it means i' it fully does everything that I would normally do so this is just self driving
01:36:44
it's also worth noting that level five is called Full automation so it is like a little do you know what this reminds
01:36:51
me of it reminds me of this is such a weird analogy but there I was showing you that commercial for a diaper that
01:36:58
says um it's like and gu I know but it's
01:37:04
guaranteed to prevent up to 100% of blowouts the full self- driving could
01:37:11
100 up to 100% of your full drive it's the same language it's it's full blowout
01:37:17
protection which is up to 100% which is the same as all of the um all of the cleaning material that it say kills up
01:37:25
to 99% of bacteria because they can't say it kills everything in case it misses I mean or internet speeds up to
01:37:32
900 I just got my test back Mom I got up to an A+ what I wish I knew that when I was in
01:37:38
school oh my would KCK out up to an A plus yeah I
01:37:44
guess that's it's kind of a tough sell but if you're going to if you're going to get people to buy it I guess theoretically that's the best way to buy
01:37:49
it is to be like this is the mandatory acceptance process of here's your car yeah get in we're going for a ride yeah
01:37:56
all right inane it's a lot it's crazy it's $50,000 I do think though like being able to get
01:38:02
a quick test of it sounds pretty awesome or like if you actually were thinking of it knowing that you can get the test
01:38:08
before committing to the $115,000 $200 o maybe that lowers the number of people
01:38:14
who commit before accepting delivery Oh shoot what if if it backfired that's not even what
01:38:21
I was talking about I was cuz you're saying like okay you want people to commit and how fast can you get them to
01:38:27
commit right now there is no demo so if you don't buy it the only way to try it
01:38:33
is if you commit to it for at least a month I guess so if you don't commit you will get a demo anyway I think that
01:38:40
means less people will commit initially yeah true if they know they're going to get a demo the old way they used to do
01:38:46
it is you're buying your car it's $5,000 you should commit right now cuz it's going to go up in price and they true on
01:38:54
that statement it has gone up in price Yeah by a lot well fun fun fun fun fun
01:38:59
and I'm sure everyone will enjoy that conversation and no one will think they about anything we said there I
01:39:05
definitely said FSD or autopilot wrong many times at some point yeah heaven forbid F
01:39:11
doj ai ai t r i v a
01:39:16
WC what you that was a perfect segue and everyone missed it did you say trivia what' you say I spelled trivia TR viia
01:39:24
for all the babies out there I'm sorry that's pretty good I know you won't understand okay quick update on the
01:39:31
score Marquez with four Andrew with one two Kyrie the three three nice David
01:39:39
with two yeah first question uploaded June 16th 2009 this 4.4 billion view
01:39:48
Masterpiece is the oldest video on YouTube's all time talk 30 list what
01:39:55
video is it I'm I'm actually pretty I I just want you to know what I thought in my head for a second there I went oh my
01:40:02
God con 2012 and then I was like wait no that's 2012 yes I was wait is that I think it
01:40:10
was 2011 when it came it was definitely 2012 when it was oh when it came out wasn't it like a 2011 campaign for 2012
01:40:17
I don't know what it was it's still wrong just not actually putting anything down um don't write con 12 uh that is
01:40:25
not on the top 30 yeah that didn't have a long tail no I kind of feel confident
01:40:30
about this one dud all right what do we got I just wrote this anyways all right
01:40:36
so good call I know so I wrote Gangnam Style which I know is wrong but I it was
01:40:43
the first to hit a billion so I thought maybe it tracked for a while I think it
01:40:49
also came out in like 2012 or 2011 yeah but damn I know it
01:40:55
came out while I was in high school and technically I was in high school in 2009 and in 2011 so unfortunately 2011 up to
01:41:02
2011 wait you were in high school in 2009 yeah too I was in nth grade oh that
01:41:08
makes sense I graduate I wasn't I was done that's correct thanks for making feel old yet I
01:41:15
know I'm wrong but I wrote me at the zoo just in case it was that and I would feel dumb well they said it's not right
01:41:22
I never said it Baby by Justin Bieber that is a really good guess but
01:41:28
unfortunately the correct answer I guess that did come out in 2009 right baby yeah it was very quickly the
01:41:35
most disliked video in YouTube history I do remember really why it's Justin Bieber in 2009 people disliked him in
01:41:42
2009 did you that was like the end of his like super popular ass point he was
01:41:47
two mainstream at that point I think oh like people were annoyed by how mainstream he was it was just like a
01:41:52
meme like um damn what is it it's the
01:41:58
answer is axle F by crazy crazy frog no way that has 4.4 4.4 Billy that got
01:42:07
uploaded no it's crazy frog by axle F no yes no way no no no no no no no no no no
01:42:15
no no no no no no crazy frog is the artist and axel F cuz it's a cover of Axel F which is the theme song of
01:42:21
Beverly Hills Cop mhm wait really boy oh wow Crazy Frog had an album though okay
01:42:26
Crazy Frog had a lot of crazy because Crazy Frog really peaked I felt like when I was in Middle School I thought
01:42:33
Crazy Frog was like super popular pre YouTube I remember like those two kids dancing on like in their basement to
01:42:40
Crazy Frog and making like funny faces I'm pretty sureb frog frog frog
01:42:47
frog okay we love crazy culture used to be weird bro culture was I like how when I
01:42:54
search crazy frog the lyrics come up on
01:43:01
Google bam it say bam bam oh and then do da later if you've made it this far in
01:43:08
the episode I am so sorry we're on the back a good Crazy Frog if you get this far in the episode please comment your
01:43:14
favorite Crazy Frog lyrics I would love to see that in the
01:43:21
comments okay I'm I'm read this
01:43:27
drra that was the beginning that's that's in the middle scatting in the beginning oh no yeah uh no that's ba
01:43:35
araa wow we used to have class YouTube Auto YouTube Auto caption that as well
01:43:40
just so you know this is my Roman Empire it is I just think about crazy progue
01:43:45
all the time you're not alone yeah okay so okay question number two finally wow when was
01:43:53
the first google.io when was the first dubdub we're trying out a new system for
01:43:58
these year ones because they're fun okay what we're going to do is if you're within five years or excuse me if you're
01:44:07
five years from the date so a 10year span you get one point if you're three
01:44:12
years on either side so six year span you get two points and if you're one
01:44:18
year on either side so a threeyear span you get three points there's too many is there nothing for nail it no I blacked
01:44:26
it that's kind of a kind of a gap in the I like the one you're on either side that's what pod quiz does for like
01:44:32
yearly things yeah that felt so and giving someone Five Points just felt like too much that's a lot yeah so it is
01:44:39
too much I'm trying to strategically think around my windows here we have a fiveyear window and a what you can
01:44:46
potentially get up to three points how by getting by getting a
01:44:51
year okay
01:44:57
this seems like a good point to point out that uh the Crazy Frog Twitter account Tweets in the
01:45:03
character um which is like pretty funny that's amazing that's so good I'm
01:45:09
going ah I'm changing it okay all right flip them and read what
01:45:15
do you got for Google Io I put 2010 2010 gives you two points so you're
01:45:25
close but not completely correct for WWDC I put 2008 you put 2008 that gives
01:45:32
you o that gives you yeah that's just wrong you get nothing sorry I'm sorry David how wrong very wrong I can't I
01:45:40
can't give you a a more accurate answer till I hear the rest of them okay all right I also put 2010 for iio iio okay
01:45:46
so you get two points and I went a higher date for WWDC 2014 no very wrong
01:45:53
I wasn't sure if it was called something different before it was I thought that was a but it's the same event so I
01:46:00
figured no different but it wasn't called also no I think I was just going off of the first developer conference
01:46:07
the first developer conference was also way before that so you got that wrong either way yeah no one's wrong yeah marz
01:46:13
what do you have I'm wrong I got uh 2009 for dubdub for and 2006 for iio also two
01:46:20
points for Io well now we have a guess where it is a and dubdub you just got
01:46:27
completely wrong yes no one no one got points for I want the buzzer to be in the Crazy Frog Cadence
01:46:35
now have we been quoting crazy frog the whole time always have been so the answer the
01:46:43
first dubdub worldwide developers conference was May 7th to May 11th of
01:46:49
1990 whoa wow dub dub the first dub dub the first dub the before that in ' 87 it
01:46:54
was called the Apple's developer conference or Devcon and then in 86 it
01:46:59
was Apple World Conference before that was Apple 2 forever and before that Apple independent software developers
01:47:05
conference which was a trivia question I believe can I just note how they switched to removing the name Apple
01:47:12
altogether to just say we are the developer conference We are the world all developer conf worldwide developer
01:47:19
it's not even Apple worldwide developer conference it's just we're the developer conf that's why they're getting sued why
01:47:24
Tim Mr W white and that's six years away from their or six years after their
01:47:29
developer conference literally being called Apple 2 forever Apple two
01:47:37
forever the sequel I wish that's epic I don't think we have
01:47:42
enough time for uh Safari oh IO oh it's 2008 okay oh I was two years away me too
01:47:51
did you also write 2010 2006 he was to that he was to in the other way yeah I
01:47:56
don't think we have time for the Safari question Safari the browser yeah yeah we do you want to do it third two hours in
01:48:03
let's go send it let's go heck yeah boys all right Apple released Safari with OSX
01:48:10
10.3 Panther but before that what thirdparty browser was included on all
01:48:16
Max starting in 1998 and ending in 2003 third party browser third party browser
01:48:23
included in Macintosh uh starting in 1998 that was not included before that and ending in
01:48:30
2003 with the introduction of safari I'm bad at these history ones I don't
01:48:41
know are you wearing an IO shirt yes it's cool I like it thanks do you want
01:48:47
it maybe a little bit I don't think this before we do the answer real quick when
01:48:52
we got that shirt I was so excited for it the first day I wore it coming back I spilled spaghetti sauce on it and got
01:48:59
dirty and I can I just had to get rid of it it is a cool shirt I like it are those Sparkle emojis yes they are
01:49:05
AI hey not yet flip them and read give it five years okay I wow we all wrote
01:49:12
Netscape all wrong is it is it the worldwide is it the no it's not the
01:49:19
worldwide web browser that Jim burner Lee made it is is and are you ready for
01:49:24
this Internet Explorer I almost wrote that that's crazy I wrote that last and
01:49:32
then crossed it out cuz I'm an idiot I believe uh they shipped with Netscape
01:49:37
before internet oh that's hurts even more another fun um antitrust
01:49:47
quote go on go off um is that there's a
01:49:52
quote for Microsoft where they say we need to take the oxygen out of netscape's uh lungs
01:49:59
Jesus that's that's like a mob threat Microsoft said that yeah dude and that's
01:50:06
really funny cuz those are the '90s Microsoft executives are some nerds no
01:50:12
they were a bun of like yeah like picture Bill Gates with a huge glasses like take the air yeah exactly that's
01:50:18
what I'm saying take it out of their lungs that scares me more than an actual my bus to be
01:50:25
honest yeah well hey this has been quite an adventure of a away for episode this is what happens when we come back to our
01:50:31
regular schedule programming we just go off the rails and maybe we should bring it back on the rails next week but hey it's fun while we're at it so root for
01:50:38
more lawsuits I guess uh thanks for watching thanks for listening thanks for subscribing and I can't wait to see your
01:50:44
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still I think we're good galaxyi dubdub IO FSD we've got all kinds of acronyms
01:51:25
actually every single story has an acronym isn't that crazy what's the threads one AI dubdub IO
01:51:34
FSD and the fediverse you could wrote doj doj doj or
01:51:39
actually US US doj versus Apple w3c yeah true well that's what for the
01:51:47
threads one yeah for the threads one oh a little bit
