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We've all watched Hot Ones enough. We
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should
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>> Everyone but David has watched Hot Ones
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enough that we should
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>> The only Hot Ones episode I watched was
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the one where uh what's his name? Like
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>> You better be careful right there.
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>> Marquez has been on it twice.
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>> I think I watched that one. Wait, twice?
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I watched one. I didn't know you went on
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again.
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>> Unbelievable.
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>> I talked so much about you on that
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episode. That's crazy.
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>> He was like my good friend David. There
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was a whole section where Sean is like,
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"I heard you're friends with David."
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>> It was You should totally watch it,
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dude. It was so good.
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>> All right, that's cool. Keep it up.
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>> Yo, what's up people of the internet?
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Welcome back to another episode of the
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Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm
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Marquez.
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>> I'm Andrew.
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>> And I'm David. And this week, we've got
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a regularly scheduled I said Ellis is
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going to
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>> I am going to interrupt you. That's
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right. Because
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>> and I'm wrong. Burgundy.
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And I'm interrupting you because
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>> this episode is not like normal
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episodes. Do you guys know why this is a
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very special episode?
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>> Is it because it's the last one this
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year?
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>> It is coincidentally the last episode of
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the year, but that's not what
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>> Lastly scheduled of the year.
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>> Yeah, but that's not what he means.
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>> Hit it, Rich.
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>> Oh, no.
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>> Guys, this episode is being taped at
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5:00 PM, which means this is the first
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ever episode of
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Oh,
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>> waveform after dark.
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>> After dark.
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>> Thank you, Rich. You can get the ticket.
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>> I was wondering why Rich is here. I was
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like, this is a long clip for
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um
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>> that was it.
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>> Should we talk about why we're here at
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5:00 p.m.?
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>> Yes, we should.
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>> Transition. Okay, so uh today I got to
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finally get some hands-on time with this
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thing right here, which is the Samsung
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Galaxy Z Trifold.
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Uh this morning we went into the city,
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got some info from Samsung on what it
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was about and got to shoot some footage
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of it and then we got back to the studio
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and the one that I bought from Korea had
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also arrived the same day and that is
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this one right here. So how much did it
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cost you from Korea? Do you know how
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much it cost? So I'm going to get my
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invoice later. Um, so I don't actually
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know, but I hear it's somewhere between
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$2500 and $3,000.
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>> It's an expensive phone, but I, you
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know, I've watched other people's videos
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on it and I've seen photos of it and it
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looks like such a chunk and I keep
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thinking, oh, it's kind of a gimmick,
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like whatever, Samsung's doing the
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trifold thing. Uh, but it's obviously
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not going to be reasonable to use. And
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then I picked it up and held it and I
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used it with the screen closed, which is
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basically the same as the ZFold 7. And
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it's fine. And then I opened it and it's
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a whole tablet on the inside and I'm
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starting to think this is actually kind
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of a nice like a really nice phone this
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year. It's obviously super expensive,
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but um I'm holding up to the camera for
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the video viewers. This thing is a full
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diagonal 10-in tablet on the inside and
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I like it more than I thought I would.
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>> So, are we going to get rid of short
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form video now that we're going to be
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able to have landscapes in our pockets?
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No, because like you said, you you said
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this before.
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>> You can put
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>> You don't have to do that.
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>> You can put three short form videos
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across it and play it like a slot
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machine.
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>> Wait, can you actually
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>> It's literally short form slots,
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>> dude. And if you get all three screens
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showing the same short like before you
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page, then you win
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>> and you can't stop until that happens.
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>> Yeah. Instead of it being like a seven,
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a cherry, like three or four things,
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it's millions of videos that you have to
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get lined up.
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>> So yeah, you can do three things side by
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side.
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>> If you get all three videos being the
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same, then Neil Moahan has to step down
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and you become the CEO of YouTube.
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>> His name is Neil Bohan. Wait, not Moahan
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Station.
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>> Sorry, Neil.
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>> I love Moan Station. That's beautiful.
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So there's a couple quirks about this.
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Um I'll I'll go through. So the basic
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specs are actually kind of fine. and
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they're just like a a one-year-old
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flagship. Samsung is using the
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>> Snapdragon 8 Elite for Galaxy. So, not 8
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Elite Gen 5, but 8 for Galaxy. The only
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spec is 512 gigs of storage and 16 gigs
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of RAM. So, that's pretty sweet. Uh the
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outside screen, like I said, is the
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exact same as ZFold 7.
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>> Wait, real quick. Is there a 1 TB
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version?
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>> Uh I thought on the Samsung Press mobile
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something.
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>> Uh maybe that's not coming to the US
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because I was told it's only one spec
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512. Okay. There might be somewhere
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where you can get a one TB version.
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>> Oh, okay. Even better. Um, but yeah, the
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outside screen, the cover screen is just
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your classic uh 21 by what is it? 21
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by9. I think it's a wide screen
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obviously. 2600 uh nits 120 hertz. Why
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am I It's hard to talk. I've been
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talking all day. It's been a long day.
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>> It's been a long day. Uh but then you
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open the phone. Oh, and the back has the
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cameras. Uh same as the ZFold 7 as well.
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So 200 megapixel primary and then an
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ultra wide and a 3x telephoto.
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>> So mid. Great. Okay.
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>> Yeah. Mid. But then you open it and it's
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like
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>> it's a tablet.
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>> It's it's all the things. You can watch
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full screen videos. You can game. You
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can have apps side by side and they're
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not actually cramped.
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>> That's huge.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Uh you can type on a full-size keyboard.
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You have decks all the time even without
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being connected to a monitor. Uh you can
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also connect it to a monitor, mouse and
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keyboard and use it as a second display.
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>> It's Can I ask a stupid question?
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>> Go for it.
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What does Dex not on a monitor even
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mean? Because isn't the whole point of
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Dex that it goes on Windows?
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>> It's just like it's just more computer
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like I guess but on the screen. Okay.
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>> No, that's a very valid question.
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>> Yeah. So, it's like full it's full
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screen apps that get
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>> what's a computer
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>> different like like if you're in the
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files app it'll show the full tree
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structure.
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>> Uh and then you can resize windows and
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you can keep them in certain areas. It's
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literally a desktop.
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>> Everything's computer.
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>> Everything's computer.
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>> It's just an iPad. Well, it's a Samsung
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Galaxy Tab.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Oh, wait. That's kind of
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>> So, I've got three windows open here.
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And then I go, you know what? I want to
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go to a new space.
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>> Whoa.
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>> And do three more windows and then move
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back.
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>> I'm going to say something real quick.
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Those creases are pretty rough right
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now. Those are not good.
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>> Pretty rough.
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>> So, the creases are rough. And
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>> it's like when it's kind of similar to
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the early generations of other phones
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with crease where when I'm looking at it
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and using it, the content is more than
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enough to distract me from the crease.
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But if I am analyzing the hardware,
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yeah, it's so obvious the creases, the
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creases are two different sizes because
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there are two different hinge ratios
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because the left side is the inside fold
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and the outside folds around the inside
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fold. So, it's even bigger.
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>> So, yeah, there is a lot going on with
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the hardware engineering, but uh I found
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that actually using the phone and just
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watching videos and like typing and
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emailing and all that stuff is really
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solid question.
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>> Yeah. Uh considering the square aspect
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ratio of a biffold is kind of lame uh
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for watching videos and doesn't really
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do anything for you
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>> in my humblest opinion.
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>> Um how much of a 16x9 video fits full
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screen on this? How much how many black
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borders? There's small black borders. So
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the whole thing wide open is 16 by 11.
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So, it's pretty close to like if you
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watch I don't know if you can find a 16
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by92 video, but uh our videos are 2 by1
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and there's reasonable black bars, but
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it's way bigger than a slab.
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>> Uh and if you go Yeah. 16 by9 videos,
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you're even smaller black bars top and
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bottom.
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>> So, it's like it's most of the display
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though, you'd say?
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>> Yeah,
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>> it's pretty nice. Apps that use the
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whole screen like gaming or whatever.
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>> The split screen keyboard is literally
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there's no keyboard on the middle panel.
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>> That is so wide.
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Samsung's tablets do that, too. So, they
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just treat it like that, too. It makes
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sense. It's just really jarring to see a
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whole panel with nothing in it.
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>> Love the idea of like being on an
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airplane and being able to play like a
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PlayStation 2 game with a controller.
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Like, is that not
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>> Oh my god, that's
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>> Is that not awesome? God of War.
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>> Yeah.
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>> I'm I'm preemptively thinking about what
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the comments will be. Like, we just
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published our video, my hands on with
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it. I think one common concern or
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question that I have is like, "All
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right, I already have a tablet. Like,
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why is this better than a tablet?"
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>> It's not. It's just that it can fit in
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your pocket. Yeah, that's like the main
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>> like obviously if you already have a
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phone and a tablet, this isn't for you.
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But the person who wants to have a phone
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and a tablet, but take it in their
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pocket with them,
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>> this does that.
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>> I mean, you have to have a bag to carry
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a tablet with you basically. And you you
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don't with this
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>> with a 10-in screen. Yeah,
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>> that is pretty amazing.
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>> So, that's sweet. Um, it has a cellular
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connection all the time, which is nice
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for a tablet. It's thinner probably than
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the tablet you're thinking of. But the
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other thing is it's definitely a smaller
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battery than the tablet you're thinking
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of. Most 10-in tablets have like an
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8,000 mAh battery roughly. Even
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Samsung's like S10,
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>> Tab S10 has a roughly 8,000 mAh battery.
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This has a 5,600 mAh battery. Uh, is
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that YouTube's desktop site?
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>> No, that's actually I'm trying to find a
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16 by9 video. So, that's your iPhone 5S
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review. Is that a 16 by9 video?
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>> I'm I was guessing we switched to 2x1
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when Brandon and Vin convinced us to in
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like 2018. So
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>> that's pretty good. And then you can
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enlarge it and then it's and that looks
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awesome.
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>> Looks pretty good.
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>> That's pretty Oh no, that's definitely
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cutting a lot off the sides when it's
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full screen. Full screen. It
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>> is when you full screen. But yeah.
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>> What is the IP rating of this range?
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>> 48.
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>> IP 48, which is also the same as the
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ZFold 7. So you can drop some water on
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it next to it around it.
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>> That's impressive for a Gen One. dust
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particle or like piece of sand being
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folded in not once but now twice.
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>> Probably that
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>> probably don't get dust.
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>> I'm concerned about that. That's going
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to be the uh longevity test for people
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that have this early.
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>> Yeah, I think this is fair to consider
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it a firstg product. Like it's a firstg
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trifold. So, it's firstg something. I
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think I I'll turn lock off. Rotation
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rock. Rotate rotation I turned I turned
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rotation lock off.
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>> I've said so many words today. Have you
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seen that trend that's been going around
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that's like uh it's on the TV and it
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goes rock sock, rock sock, box? I feel
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like you could not do that right now.
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>> I'd be very bad at it right now.
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>> Marquez, are you going to daily this?
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>> I've been thinking about it. You got it.
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I I imported it from Korea, so I'm not
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exactly sure what the banzer situation
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is going to be looking like. But on this
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on this phone, I think I would like to
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daily it. I think I can get my EIM in
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there and try it. It's pretty
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>> Oh, it's not landscape lock is not Oh,
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wait. Yes, it was. Hold on. Oh,
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>> almost didn't jail it cuz we almost just
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lost it. dropped it on the floor.
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>> The amount of products that we've like
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taken out the box and dropped on this
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podcast is like
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>> Lionus, watch out.
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>> All right, cool. Yeah, I'm I'm more of a
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fan than I expected to be. I really
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think there's a big difference between
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the onscreen presence and the inhand
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presence of this phone
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>> for sure.
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>> Which is so hard to convey in video
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because you're watching this on a
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screen. So, it's like it probably
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doesn't translate very well, but you'll
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have to take my word for it. I can't
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wait till there's another Chinese
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version of this, but it has uh better
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batteries and it's got like 12,000
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millah or something.
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>> Seems like that's in route. I mean, are
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we talking about this later? But isn't
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there uh some more steam for this iPhone
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fold this year?
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>> Yeah, it's coming out next year.
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>> People think it's going to be like kind
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of a squat regular size phone and then
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it opens up to be wider than it is tall,
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>> which makes sense because the whole idea
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with all these square folds is you don't
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really get a ton out of a lot of media
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situations. Is that a new leak that just
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came out?
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>> I saw someone posting it, but it looks
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rumors
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>> so poorly like rendered it felt
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>> I just like glazed.
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>> So, it like opens up into like an iPad
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mini like turned on its side basically.
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>> Yeah, I think I saw somebody did a
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mockup of basically like imagine like
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the first gen Pixel fold like that sort
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of passport size, but then you open it
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and it's
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>> wider screen and that makes it better
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for watching videos on the inside,
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>> which I could see that being a
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highlight, you know, with this phone.
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>> Okay, question for you guys about this.
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>> Fast forward 10 years.
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>> Are we using smart glasses or are we
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using phone like this that unfold into
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like a giant tablet?
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>> This I mean we'll have smart glasses as
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well.
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>> You said 10 years or 5 years.
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>> I say 10 years. Let's do 10 years.
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>> I think that not everyone is going to if
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you're if you don't have a prescription,
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you'll use smart glasses as sunglasses.
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If you do have a prescription, people
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will start using smart glasses on the
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daily. But I don't think it's going to
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replace their phone. I think it's just
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going to be the Meta Ray-B band style.
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You know, it'll have a display. It'll
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give you notifications, but
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>> I don't know. I probably won't wear it
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cuz I have perfect vision.
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>> I think
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>> show off. I think there's like a a
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degree where like we're now that we
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we're we're hitting like max dopamine
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technology, you know, we're finding that
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like outside of video games and vertical
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video, like people don't really spend
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like that much time using tech. So I I
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think the value prop of a device that
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can't really do vertical video that well
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or game very well, like
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>> I don't know if people are going to wear
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No, no, smart glasses. Oh, smart glasses
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can't think though. But
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>> videos,
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>> I would argue smart glasses. That's kind
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of the point of it is it's just it's
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there when you need it and because it's
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so convenient that it's there the times
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you do need it and you don't have to
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pull something out of your pocket or
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it's just like
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>> right there. Fun fact, you
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>> I ain't trying to waste time pulling out
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of my pocket. I don't even I use
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wireless charging. I'm efficiency major
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right here.
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>> Wow.
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>> You can doom scroll Instagram reels on
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the meta. uh on the highway. That's
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right.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Oh god.
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>> That's one of their use cases. Yeah. I
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just looked it up. Um we went from not
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having any foldables to having foldables
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the way we have them now in about eight
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years.
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>> Mhm.
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>> Has it been that long?
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>> Like the ZFold one is 2019 and we had
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foldables for maybe a year or two before
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that. So like
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>> 2017 to 2025. And it's progressed so
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much that even this triplefolding,
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well, the trifold is thinner than the
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Zfold 5.
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>> It was that thick for that long,
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>> but when it's folded up,
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>> when it's folded up, it is thinner than
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the ZFold 5, but the ZFold 5
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>> unfolded. It's thinner than the iPhone
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Air. We put it up to the to Brandon's
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thinner.
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>> The panels are three different sizes.
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Are they all smaller than Well, you
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know, as thin as its thickest point.
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>> Yeah, if you can't fit it through a
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slot. That is one of the interesting
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things about this phone is each one of
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these panels is a slightly different
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thickness. 3.9
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mm on the left, 4.2 mm in the middle,
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4.0 mm on the right
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>> to fit battery and USB type-C and, you
00:14:33
know, speakers and all the things
00:14:35
happening in this phone. Uh, that's just
00:14:37
how it Yeah, they're all thinner than
00:14:38
the iPhone Air. And then you fold it up
00:14:39
and it's thinner than ZFold 1, 2, 3,
00:14:42
four, and five.
00:14:43
>> Kind of crazy. I think I just realized a
00:14:45
very small mistake we made in the video.
00:14:47
>> I cut that out.
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>> I'm thinking the same thing
00:14:50
>> cuz you said the middle panel for USBC,
00:14:53
but it's the middle panel when it's
00:14:54
folded. When it's unfolded, it's the
00:14:56
right panel.
00:14:56
>> Yep. Oh god.
00:14:57
>> I caught that and cut it out.
00:14:58
>> Good. I Yeah, I never would have thought
00:15:01
of that.
00:15:01
>> Things a lot harder to describe when you
00:15:03
have 3D space.
00:15:05
>> Audio people are like, I don't
00:15:06
understand what
00:15:06
>> Yeah, audio people when you're unfolding
00:15:08
it, they kind of looks
00:15:10
>> I'm not doing that anymore.
00:15:11
>> The phone's USBC port is on the bottom.
00:15:13
uh when it is folded up. But because the
00:15:16
bottom is actually the middle,
00:15:18
>> the rightmost panel.
00:15:19
>> Wait, never mind.
00:15:19
>> It's the rightmost panel
00:15:21
>> is the USB.
00:15:22
>> It's the rightmost panel, which is the
00:15:23
bottom when it's folded.
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>> What is
00:15:25
>> You ever You ever bought like a like a
00:15:27
fish from a fish monger? It kind of
00:15:28
unfolds like that. Like like you lay it
00:15:30
down, you go one, then two, and then you
00:15:32
got your fish. I actually
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>> isn't there like is it on Reddit or
00:15:40
something when you like retire a phrase
00:15:42
because it perfectly hits like you found
00:15:44
the perfect description for that.
00:15:46
>> I think we can retire fingerprint magnet
00:15:48
with this phone because lord the amount
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of fingerprints on the surface area of
00:15:53
this phone.
00:15:53
>> It's crazy.
00:15:54
>> You got to wear gloves.
00:15:55
>> It's like this black and gray carbon
00:15:59
fiber mimicking fiberglass composite.
00:16:02
It's smoothish.
00:16:04
And I think it makes sense in here.
00:16:06
Yeah. Because you have to make something
00:16:08
smooth with a little bit of a bezel that
00:16:11
you can then safely close the outside
00:16:13
screen over.
00:16:13
>> Yeah.
00:16:14
>> Uh so no real texture, but yeah, very
00:16:17
much a fingerprint magic.
00:16:18
>> Did you get the kickstand case with it?
00:16:20
>> Uh the case that comes with it is just a
00:16:22
sort of a back spine and back cover
00:16:24
case.
00:16:25
>> So that's that's the Samsung case. It
00:16:27
also comes with a 45 watt charger in the
00:16:29
box.
00:16:30
>> It's crazy. throw you a little bone for
00:16:32
$3,000.
00:16:34
>> Yeah.
00:16:34
>> Yeah.
00:16:35
>> That wobble is crazy.
00:16:36
>> The wobble is wobbling down.
00:16:38
>> I saw I mentioned it in the video. I got
00:16:40
Every time I mention it, people are
00:16:41
like, "Well, you put a case on it."
00:16:42
Okay, so fine. So, you'll put a case on
00:16:44
it, it'll be fine. But this is one of
00:16:45
the biggest wobblers of all time.
00:16:47
>> The case it comes with is thin enough.
00:16:48
It's still going to wobble. It wobbles a
00:16:50
lot less. It I tried it. I actually
00:16:52
think that they thought about that when
00:16:53
they made a case for this.
00:16:54
>> They should bring back the bikini case
00:16:56
for this.
00:16:57
>> The bikini case was actually It was kind
00:16:58
of iconic. It was iconic. Ellis doesn't
00:17:01
remember it. Search Galaxy S8 bikini.
00:17:05
>> Was it S8?
00:17:06
>> Galaxy S8.
00:17:06
>> Galaxy S8.
00:17:07
>> Can I Can I hold it?
00:17:08
>> I for one am excited for you to test
00:17:10
this so that I can decide whether or not
00:17:12
I definitely will not speak.
00:17:13
>> I did it wrong and it yelled at me.
00:17:15
>> Oh, I did want to see that. It yells. It
00:17:17
vibrates at you. It vibrates strongly.
00:17:19
>> Can I see that? I want
00:17:21
>> So you
00:17:23
>> can I break it? Is it bad?
00:17:25
>> It's bad if you break it.
00:17:26
>> Nothing's really happy. I mean, if you
00:17:28
try to like smush it, you're probably
00:17:30
not because
00:17:33
>> No, you can do that. You can do it the
00:17:35
wrong way.
00:17:35
>> Yelling at me.
00:17:36
>> No, it does. When the screen doesn't
00:17:38
Yeah.
00:17:39
>> Ah, stop.
00:17:40
>> Okay.
00:17:40
>> Yeah. It doesn't like it doesn't like
00:17:41
it. It yells at you.
00:17:43
>> But otherwise, yeah, very intuitive.
00:17:46
>> Well, I'm excited to see whether or not
00:17:47
you actually get value out of this. This
00:17:49
is what I have considered like the dream
00:17:52
device for a very, very long time. And
00:17:55
uh if I could have something that I
00:17:56
could just carry a little bit a little
00:17:57
keyboard with me and a little mouse with
00:17:59
me and I could just write on Google. All
00:18:00
I want to do is write on Google Docs.
00:18:02
>> That's all I want to do without having
00:18:04
to carry a laptop. So if this can do
00:18:06
that, I'm very happy.
00:18:08
>> I just like that the Light Phone and
00:18:09
this came out in the same year.
00:18:11
>> Wow. Maximalist and minimalist.
00:18:14
>> I I do maintain like the most fun I've
00:18:16
ever had on a foldable is e-reading with
00:18:19
one page on each side. And I don't know
00:18:21
what that would be like
00:18:22
>> cuz it looks like a real book. It feels
00:18:24
like a real book.
00:18:24
>> A real book couldn't even do this.
00:18:26
>> Can this do three pages?
00:18:28
>> Yeah.
00:18:28
>> Yeah.
00:18:29
>> Fourdimensional book right here.
00:18:31
>> Yeah.
00:18:32
>> Um Okay, great.
00:18:35
>> So, yeah, that was our We have the Zfold
00:18:38
in in-house for real for real on
00:18:40
God_fal.mpp4.
00:18:43
>> Last week's episode, we titled the
00:18:45
Galaxy Zfold. The Galaxy Z trifold is
00:18:48
here for real for real on God.
00:18:49
>> Mhm.
00:18:50
>> What are we supposed to title this
00:18:52
week's episode? underscorefinal.mpp4.
00:18:55
>> They like that.
00:18:56
>> No, I think Yeah.
00:18:58
>> All right,
00:18:58
>> that title went hard last week. Also,
00:19:01
>> CTR was fantastic.
00:19:02
>> It was really Speaking of the things
00:19:05
that you can do on the Galaxy Z Trifold,
00:19:09
>> if there there is if if there was this
00:19:12
new social media app coming out that is
00:19:14
supposed to replace Twitter
00:19:16
>> Mhm.
00:19:16
>> you could run it on one of the three
00:19:18
screens.
00:19:19
>> Was that a Was that a segue? That's what
00:19:21
I was trying to do.
00:19:22
>> Oh, yeah. C plus.
00:19:24
>> Yeah.
00:19:24
>> What?
00:19:25
>> I expect
00:19:26
>> Come on. It was all right.
00:19:27
>> All right. Was
00:19:28
>> Segue Wordle last night.
00:19:30
>> Yeah.
00:19:33
>> Was last night. Last night.
00:19:34
>> I think it was
00:19:34
>> Segue.
00:19:35
>> It's either Segue or Suede.
00:19:36
>> Segue.
00:19:37
>> I think I guessed to Suede first.
00:19:39
>> Wow.
00:19:39
>> Well, what is the social media app?
00:19:40
>> All right. Let me tell you about this.
00:19:41
>> Yeah. Okay. So,
00:19:42
>> federated.
00:19:43
>> No, it's not. And this is why I think
00:19:44
it's point.
00:19:47
This is why I'm like, if you're going to
00:19:48
make a social media app in the future,
00:19:50
just stop nonfederating them. Come on,
00:19:53
guys. So, what is it? Okay, so a couple
00:19:56
weeks ago, this startup popped up called
00:19:58
Operation Bluebird. Um, and effectively
00:20:01
what they're trying to do is get the
00:20:02
Twitter name back because they are
00:20:05
making the claim that X abandoned the
00:20:08
Twitter name when they switched
00:20:10
everything to X,
00:20:11
>> which I would, you know, agree with. Um,
00:20:15
I would disagree.
00:20:16
>> Really,
00:20:17
>> dude?
00:20:17
>> I think they very hastily changed some
00:20:20
things like the URL and the logo to X,
00:20:22
but for a long time, pieces of the UI in
00:20:25
the settings still said Twitter,
00:20:26
>> but that was them being like lazy.
00:20:28
>> I Yeah, I like agree with both of you. I
00:20:31
think it is still everywhere and is
00:20:32
still almost considered Twitter for the
00:20:35
most part, but I think the owners of
00:20:37
Twitter,
00:20:38
>> they said,
00:20:38
>> yeah,
00:20:39
>> it's not Twitter anymore.
00:20:40
>> And like they make fun of people for
00:20:42
calling it Twitter still. And like
00:20:44
>> Elon replied to you on X. You said, "I'm
00:20:47
still calling it Twitter." And Elon
00:20:48
said, "You won't."
00:20:49
>> Yeah. Well,
00:20:50
>> is that That's got to be used in the
00:20:52
litigation, right?
00:20:52
>> We're still calling it Twitter today.
00:20:54
>> That's got to be used in litigation.
00:20:55
Yeah. Anyway, so last week they filed a
00:20:57
petition to the US Patent Office to
00:20:59
cancel X's ownership of the trademarks
00:21:01
for Twitter and tweet.
00:21:03
>> Trademark.
00:21:04
>> Yeah. Trademark. Uh because X had made
00:21:07
it clear that they didn't have any
00:21:09
intention to use the Twitter name
00:21:11
anymore.
00:21:12
>> Okay. Right. Um, X has now sued them,
00:21:15
which they didn't need to do. They could
00:21:17
have just filed a motion to cancel the
00:21:19
trademark infringe the trademark
00:21:21
cancellation.
00:21:22
>> I'm sorry, what's X? You keep saying X.
00:21:24
>> Okay, here's another problem. When I'm
00:21:26
trying to Google something on the X
00:21:27
platform, it's impossible cuz you just
00:21:30
write X in Google after and it nothing
00:21:32
comes up. Twitter doesn't come up.
00:21:33
>> I'm trying to search Twitter and you're
00:21:35
using like space X.
00:21:37
>> Yeah, it doesn't do anything.
00:21:39
SpaceX.com. Does that work?
00:21:40
>> You could probably do space. ASAX is a
00:21:42
different company.
00:21:45
>> Look what you look what happened.
00:21:46
>> Yeah,
00:21:47
>> it's bad.
00:21:48
>> Yeah.
00:21:48
>> Uh anyway, they're suing trying to stop
00:21:50
them from doing this. They're arguing
00:21:52
that as of December 14th, more than 4
00:21:55
million users came to X by typing in
00:21:57
twitter.com.
00:21:59
>> I'm one of I am one of them, too.
00:22:00
>> Everyone has all the users.
00:22:03
>> This is so frustrating cuz I want to
00:22:05
stick it to the man and call it Twitter,
00:22:06
but I'm actually
00:22:09
>> on the platform. You want them to lose
00:22:11
the
00:22:12
>> Yeah. I I want them to get and I'm I'm
00:22:14
helping them not do that.
00:22:15
>> I mean, they were big about changing it
00:22:16
to X, so you know, commit. You know,
00:22:18
this is such a weird thing because like
00:22:20
if you even if you like if I own a
00:22:23
trademark or whatever and I stop using
00:22:25
it,
00:22:25
>> Yeah.
00:22:26
>> that doesn't mean people immediately sue
00:22:29
me to cancel my ownership of
00:22:31
>> If you have no intention to use it in
00:22:32
the future, then they can file to cancel
00:22:36
your ownership.
00:22:36
>> Interesting. So, it's up to them to
00:22:38
determine if I intend to use it in the
00:22:39
future or not.
00:22:40
>> It's like the guy who got lambo.com.
00:22:42
>> Yeah. Actually,
00:22:44
>> that's actually a lot like that. Wow.
00:22:46
Yes.
00:22:47
>> How long has it been called X?
00:22:49
>> I think since 2021, right?
00:22:51
>> No, no, no. It was after I started
00:22:53
working here.
00:22:54
>> 2022.
00:22:54
>> I think it was 2023 when I went down.
00:22:56
>> Oh, wow. Okay.
00:22:58
>> Well, anyway, uh this Bluebird startup
00:23:02
has this site called twitter.new up
00:23:04
right now where you can sign up. you can
00:23:07
reserve your handle in case they ever
00:23:09
actually do get the Twitter name.
00:23:12
>> That's brutal.
00:23:12
>> Right now, they don't have it. So, it's
00:23:14
kind of a if we do,
00:23:16
>> um I just don't think that they're ever
00:23:18
going to make it be able to be exactly
00:23:20
like old Twitter was unless they
00:23:21
literally copied the source code. And
00:23:23
the reason that old Twitter was able to
00:23:25
be old Twitter was because Jack Dorsey
00:23:27
did not care about it making money.
00:23:29
That's the only reason that it was the
00:23:31
way it was for so long.
00:23:32
>> I don't know if he didn't care about it.
00:23:34
He just wasn't good at it. Well, he had
00:23:36
like No, I mean he had like majority
00:23:38
ownership and like he didn't have to he
00:23:41
didn't have to like go by the whims of
00:23:43
some investors, you know, to try to like
00:23:45
inshitify it.
00:23:45
>> Well, until he sold it.
00:23:47
>> Yeah.
00:23:48
>> And then
00:23:50
he Yeah. Yeah.
00:23:52
>> Yeah. I there I will say that there will
00:23:56
never be another OG Twitter. Like that
00:23:58
was an error that came and went and now
00:24:00
there are things that are trying to be
00:24:01
it and it's not going to happen again.
00:24:02
>> It's not going to happen again. And it's
00:24:03
almost cringey that this new startup is
00:24:06
trying to be the new Twitter. Like I
00:24:08
don't really think that's a good goal to
00:24:09
have, but
00:24:10
>> I just got Elon Musk on Twitter.
00:24:13
>> Oh my god. I take it back. I take it
00:24:15
back.
00:24:15
>> You reserved it
00:24:16
>> and it said nobody had already reserved
00:24:18
it.
00:24:18
>> That's insane.
00:24:19
>> This is one of those things where
00:24:21
>> the Twitter new thing is it's like I
00:24:23
don't care. This is stupid. But it's
00:24:25
really funny to watch X like squirm a
00:24:29
bit and be like no, no, just kidding. We
00:24:31
do really want it. Even though we told
00:24:33
everyone we don't,
00:24:33
>> I still use twitter.com to go to X.
00:24:35
>> Oh, yeah. So do I. So
00:24:37
>> yeah, there's just too many there's too
00:24:39
many microcasms of the internet at this
00:24:41
point and being able to have like one
00:24:43
central social social media site where
00:24:45
things are happening is just not
00:24:47
possible anymore,
00:24:48
>> isn't it? I think you mean microcosm.
00:24:50
>> I think you mean microcontrast
00:24:53
for
00:24:54
>> Yeah, they don't know that reference
00:24:55
yet.
00:24:56
>> Oh yeah, that'll be next week. That's
00:24:57
funny. Yeah, I Yeah. Well, I don't know.
00:25:00
They're going to try, but I kind of
00:25:01
think that we're just going to keep
00:25:03
using Yeah. the things we use.
00:25:04
>> Which Which way do you think that
00:25:06
they're going to rule? What's your
00:25:07
prediction?
00:25:07
>> Ruling.
00:25:08
>> What's your prediction?
00:25:08
>> Um, I think because twitter.com still
00:25:11
links to x.com, they'll probably go,
00:25:12
"Oh, well, seems like that's still in
00:25:14
use."
00:25:15
>> That might be enough.
00:25:16
>> But I'm not a lawyer, so legal advice,
00:25:19
but I'm not a rapper.
00:25:20
>> That's funny. All right. Well, let's
00:25:22
take a quick break. When we come back,
00:25:23
we still got more to talk about. End of
00:25:24
the year type news. Uh, but before we
00:25:26
take a break,
00:25:26
>> yes,
00:25:28
>> trivia time,
00:25:28
>> guys. Let's get the energy up. Come on.
00:25:31
>> It's 5:00 p.m.
00:25:31
>> I know. It's 5:30. It's 6 p.m.
00:25:34
>> We got to We got to get hype. Uh before
00:25:36
I do trivia, I just need to issue a
00:25:37
correction from last week because
00:25:41
last week I got mad and called out a uh
00:25:46
a a company that sort of sounds like buy
00:25:48
mommy for raising the price on my
00:25:50
domain. And that doesn't sound like
00:25:52
>> this is really embarrassing. Um because
00:25:54
a very nice fan wrote to me who runs a
00:25:57
website called domain details which
00:25:59
posts helpful information and stuff
00:26:01
about websites and whatnot. And he
00:26:04
explained to me that uh it actually
00:26:06
wasn't GoDaddy that raised the price. It
00:26:08
was the registry which is really
00:26:10
embarrassing.
00:26:10
>> Donuts inc.
00:26:11
>> Uh I don't know who does Vin Donuts is
00:26:14
the big one. Yeah, it's pretty
00:26:14
embarrassing because we did like three
00:26:16
hours of podcasts on how this all works
00:26:19
and I still got it wrong. And if you
00:26:21
want to know what a domain registry is,
00:26:23
you can go to domain details.com or
00:26:25
listen to our two-part series on how the
00:26:28
internet works.
00:26:30
>> Yeah.
00:26:30
>> Uh David and I and Adam go to Virginia.
00:26:33
>> We did. We shared two beds with three
00:26:36
people.
00:26:36
>> Yes. And they did have an indoor pool.
00:26:38
>> Watch the episode to find out.
00:26:40
>> It's really weird. You all slept in the
00:26:41
same bed.
00:26:42
>> Two of us did. And if you want to find
00:26:44
out which two of us slept in the same
00:26:45
bed, you'll have to go and listen to the
00:26:47
episode.
00:26:48
>> Yeah, we had two beds for three people
00:26:49
and we only used one.
00:26:50
>> I mean, this is way for me after dark.
00:26:52
So,
00:26:52
>> yeah, that's true. Wait for dark. Okay,
00:26:55
guys.
00:26:55
>> Next, we're going to kiss in the vision
00:26:57
pro.
00:27:01
>> Uh, anyway,
00:27:03
>> 6 p.m. What's the question?
00:27:06
>> All of it. All of it's making it.
00:27:08
>> Come on. I love it.
00:27:11
What three letters represent both a
00:27:14
Chinese tech conglomerate and the
00:27:16
initials of an American blues legend?
00:27:20
>> I'm going to write down what I think it
00:27:21
is.
00:27:21
>> The blues legend. It's their initials.
00:27:24
>> Mhm.
00:27:24
>> It's the initials of their stage name,
00:27:26
not their birth name.
00:27:29
>> I did not know that.
00:27:30
>> Conglomerate
00:27:32
>> or company.
00:27:37
>> Is that going to help us at all?
00:27:38
>> It would. Okay.
00:27:39
>> It would cuz I know
00:27:41
>> I feel like I feel like if I tell you
00:27:43
which one I mean I did already say
00:27:45
>> you said conglomerate.
00:27:46
>> Yeah. But that might you know that kind
00:27:48
of makes it a little easy.
00:27:49
>> What? But that's the question.
00:27:51
>> That's just the question.
00:27:52
>> We'll be right back after the break.
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>> Oh yeah.
00:29:59
>> Waveform after dark.
00:30:04
>> Whose voice is that?
00:30:06
>> It's always Ellis's voice.
00:30:08
>> I like the like the tone at the end like
00:30:11
it's nice. Bravo.
00:30:12
>> Is that the PS3 startup music? What
00:30:18
>> what do you think I'm doing in the audio
00:30:19
room all day, man?
00:30:20
>> Valid
00:30:21
>> making that.
00:30:23
>> All right. So, Instagram launched a new
00:30:25
app.
00:30:25
>> Yeah, but only it's for TV, but it's not
00:30:28
Instagram TV,
00:30:29
>> correct?
00:30:29
>> It's for Fire TV.
00:30:30
>> Fire TV.
00:30:31
>> So, I'm assuming this just lets me doom
00:30:33
scroll my TV now.
00:30:34
>> Yes.
00:30:35
>> Sick.
00:30:37
>> I've been waiting for that.
00:30:39
>> But worse,
00:30:40
>> you know what's crazy? I have the
00:30:41
YouTube app on my Samsung TV at home and
00:30:43
you can doom scroll shorts on it and
00:30:45
I've done it.
00:30:47
>> That's all.
00:30:48
>> No, me too.
00:30:48
>> Wait, do you do did you do it on
00:30:50
purpose?
00:30:51
>> No.
00:30:51
>> Well, I didn't enter the carousel on
00:30:53
purpose, but once I entered the
00:30:54
carousel, I was like, I wonder if I can
00:30:55
Oh, no. Hold on.
00:30:56
>> And you're like,
00:30:58
>> yeah,
00:30:58
>> YouTube, I have a feature idea.
00:31:01
>> Let you rotate 90 degrees so you can lay
00:31:03
down on the couch, use all of your
00:31:05
landscape screen real estate,
00:31:08
>> and doom scroll that way.
00:31:09
>> Whoa.
00:31:11
that really efficient.
00:31:12
>> So, new Instagram TV app. It's not the
00:31:16
IGTV though. We might be too old for
00:31:19
this. You might be too young for this if
00:31:20
you're listening, but Instagram did
00:31:22
launch a thing called IGTV before reals
00:31:24
were a thing. Um, that failed
00:31:26
spectacularly, but it was also like you
00:31:29
had to turn your phone sideways. It was
00:31:30
around it was around the Quibby days, if
00:31:32
you know what that means.
00:31:33
>> Remember when we asked
00:31:35
>> it was just vertical video.
00:31:36
>> Yeah. Well, people sometimes like me
00:31:38
uploaded horizontal videos on GTV.
00:31:40
>> Um, but remember when we used to ask the
00:31:42
question, is this
00:31:43
>> like a product or a feature?
00:31:45
>> Yes.
00:31:45
>> In hindsight, it was so obvious
00:31:48
>> that vertical video is just a feature of
00:31:50
Instagram and they should have built it
00:31:52
in, but it really to them was so vastly
00:31:54
different that it was an entirely
00:31:56
separate product.
00:31:56
>> Yeah. Which is crazy.
00:31:57
>> Am I crazy? Because you guys have talked
00:31:59
about this.
00:32:01
You guys have talked about this a few
00:32:02
times and I feel like I'm having like a
00:32:04
Mandela effect cuz I only remember IGTV
00:32:06
as being a button in the bottom of the
00:32:08
Instagram app.
00:32:09
>> They put a button in the Instagram app
00:32:11
that launched the other app.
00:32:13
>> That's what that button did and it
00:32:14
launched the IGTV app.
00:32:16
>> I never pressed it.
00:32:17
>> They they eventually obviously moved it
00:32:19
in to just be a section of Instagram,
00:32:20
but there was probably a couple months
00:32:22
there where it was a whole separate
00:32:23
thing.
00:32:24
>> Yeah, they had a crazy launch party for
00:32:25
that, too. It was a whole thing.
00:32:26
>> The logo was kind of fire.
00:32:27
>> Yeah. Well, now, yeah, it kind of looks
00:32:30
like um MTV.
00:32:32
>> I
00:32:32
>> Oh, that's the other fake logo.
00:32:35
>> Okay, so this app is currently only
00:32:37
launching on Amazon Fire TV devices,
00:32:40
which is a very,
00:32:42
very niche collaboration.
00:32:45
Look, I think that short form video is a
00:32:47
scourge on humanity and is melting our
00:32:49
brains. However,
00:32:51
>> whoa,
00:32:52
>> this is my like,
00:32:53
>> hey, subscribe to Waveform Shorts.
00:32:56
>> Yeah. Well, well, you can't subscribe to
00:32:59
the shorts. You can only
00:33:01
>> You can try.
00:33:02
>> You can subscribe to clips, but that's
00:33:04
that's not
00:33:04
>> We don't Yeah, we haven't done a short
00:33:06
vertical
00:33:07
>> way year
00:33:08
>> vertical short content.
00:33:09
>> Well, that was embarrassing for me.
00:33:10
>> Yeah. So, however, and this is only like
00:33:13
a 2% however, this is a like I still
00:33:15
think this is bad, but you know,
00:33:20
if you're watching it on TV, there is a
00:33:22
much higher chance that you're watching
00:33:24
it with somebody else. M
00:33:26
>> and I think that considering people send
00:33:30
reels to each other so much because they
00:33:32
want like we have a whole reals channel
00:33:36
in Instagram where we just send it it's
00:33:38
a studio channel where we just send it
00:33:39
to each other.
00:33:40
>> The social aspect of watching video
00:33:42
together is very strong
00:33:44
>> and considering the content quality of
00:33:47
many reels has gotten very high. I think
00:33:49
having your friend, your partner, your
00:33:52
dog on the couch with you, your cat to
00:33:55
watch your reels with you. There could
00:33:57
be
00:33:58
2% value in that. You know, the social
00:34:01
video watching experience.
00:34:03
>> Yeah.
00:34:03
>> Yeah. So,
00:34:04
>> you're saying Lane and I should sit on
00:34:06
the couch and watch reals together.
00:34:08
>> I mean, there is obviously to an extent
00:34:10
people already do this with every other
00:34:11
form of video. It's just adding short
00:34:13
form vertical video to the list of
00:34:15
things that you can watch on your
00:34:16
>> TV. Yeah. I mean, which fine if I'm
00:34:18
going to be forced to watch reals, I'd
00:34:19
rather watch it on my TV with somebody
00:34:21
than with than on my phone with
00:34:23
>> I was just going to say we're already
00:34:24
forced to watch reals. So, would you
00:34:26
rather have this split off into its own
00:34:28
IGTV app that has reals?
00:34:31
>> Yes.
00:34:32
>> But they'll never do that.
00:34:33
>> Yeah. At this point, yeah, it's better
00:34:34
for us because we're less likely to open
00:34:36
it and therefore less likely to get
00:34:38
addicted and we can go over there
00:34:39
intentionally when we want that brain
00:34:41
rot and then we come back. But
00:34:42
obviously, that's the opposite of what
00:34:44
they want. They want us to just stumble
00:34:46
into short form video and just start
00:34:48
scrolling.
00:34:49
>> Yeah.
00:34:49
>> Which is hilarious because you used to
00:34:51
just swipe over on Instagram and that
00:34:52
would be your inbox. Now you swipe over,
00:34:54
it's just reals.
00:34:55
>> Yeah.
00:34:55
>> Convenient.
00:34:58
>> I mean, if they swap them into separate
00:35:00
apps, I would download Instagram again,
00:35:03
>> but I undownloaded it cuz I was so tired
00:35:06
of reals and like looking through it.
00:35:07
So,
00:35:07
>> does your brain feel better?
00:35:09
>> Hell yeah.
00:35:10
>> For a lot of reason. wrinklier
00:35:12
software.
00:35:14
>> Much wrinklier again.
00:35:15
>> Yeah.
00:35:16
>> Well, anyway, um, OpenAI has also
00:35:19
launched a new image generator model,
00:35:21
which is best for enterprise use, they
00:35:24
say. And I think the only reason that
00:35:25
they're saying that is because they just
00:35:27
did a $1 billion deal with Disney. Um,
00:35:31
if you we didn't talk about this last
00:35:32
week, but OpenAI struck a1 billion
00:35:36
dollar investment deal with Disney where
00:35:38
uh Disney now gets to use Sora very very
00:35:42
extensively and there will be Disney
00:35:44
characters in Sora
00:35:46
>> and I've already seen what some people
00:35:49
are doing with it and it's not good.
00:35:51
It's pretty bad. The last thing I would
00:35:53
want is my children'sbased animated
00:35:56
characters to the
00:35:59
>> heathens of the internet. The reason
00:36:01
that Disney said they want to do this is
00:36:03
because they are going to add like short
00:36:06
form generative video feeds to Disney
00:36:08
Plus,
00:36:10
>> which if you really
00:36:11
>> What does that even mean?
00:36:12
>> They're they're going to do the Sora app
00:36:14
to Disney Plus. They're going to have
00:36:16
like generated Disney videos on the
00:36:19
Disney Plus app that are generated with
00:36:21
Sora.
00:36:21
>> User generated.
00:36:22
>> I don't think so.
00:36:24
>> I think like by Disney people.
00:36:27
>> Yeah, it's hor it's really bad.
00:36:29
>> So instead of hiring animators to do
00:36:31
that, they're just going to have Sora do
00:36:32
it.
00:36:32
>> Yeah,
00:36:33
>> they're lean team over there.
00:36:34
>> They're a lean team over at Disney.
00:36:35
>> Really weird. This is a company that's
00:36:37
known for a like bespoke making
00:36:40
everything by hand like with armies of
00:36:42
artists and engineers and imagineers and
00:36:45
animators and b
00:36:47
>> suing the be Jesus out of anyone who
00:36:50
uses any of their IP.
00:36:51
>> Yeah.
00:36:53
>> And now they and now they've and now
00:36:54
they've gone and done this.
00:36:55
>> Yeah. So I I think that OpenAI needed to
00:36:58
make the new image model to compete with
00:37:01
Gemini because Gemini 3's image model
00:37:03
was really really really good and that's
00:37:05
the reason they did it. But the reason
00:37:06
that they're saying it's best for
00:37:07
enterprise use, I think is just because
00:37:10
they made this deal with Disney. And we
00:37:12
didn't also did not talk about this, but
00:37:14
last week, the day after they announced
00:37:15
the $1 billion investment deal with
00:37:17
Disney, they also sued Google for
00:37:19
massive copyright copyright infringement
00:37:21
on a massive scale.
00:37:22
>> Oh, I thought it was the same day.
00:37:23
>> It was the day after.
00:37:24
>> Oh, okay.
00:37:25
>> Um, basically, yeah, they're just trying
00:37:27
to get everyone to pay them, you know,
00:37:29
or to work with them in different ways.
00:37:32
Disney paid like they're trying to get
00:37:33
Google to receive a billion dollar. Like
00:37:35
what's the
00:37:37
>> to work with them in some way? I don't
00:37:38
know.
00:37:39
>> I think they're like these companies are
00:37:41
just going to steal our IP no matter
00:37:43
like you can go on Gemini right now and
00:37:45
just generate Disney characters.
00:37:47
>> So I think that they're like all these
00:37:48
companies are stealing our our IP no
00:37:50
matter what. We should figure out a way
00:37:52
for this to work for both of us because
00:37:54
otherwise, you know, it's just going to
00:37:55
happen.
00:37:57
>> Yeah. Sorry to depress you on a Tuesday
00:37:59
night, Wednesday night. This kind of
00:38:01
stuff hits way worse at 6 p.m.
00:38:03
>> Yeah.
00:38:06
>> Well,
00:38:07
in more positive news
00:38:10
that happens in the morning.
00:38:13
>> Nice.
00:38:13
>> Google has launched a new CC
00:38:17
uh feature in labs.
00:38:19
>> See, that's the kind of high quality
00:38:20
segways I'm looking for. Thank you.
00:38:22
>> You're welcome, Adam. Uh and effectively
00:38:24
what this is, I think you would actually
00:38:25
like this a lot, Marquez.
00:38:27
>> I'm on the wait list.
00:38:28
>> Oh, you are on the wait list. Yeah.
00:38:29
Well, you do like it a lot. Um, it plugs
00:38:32
into your calendar, your Gmail, and your
00:38:34
Google Drive to basically give you a
00:38:36
morning briefing of everything you've
00:38:38
got going on during the day, things that
00:38:40
you might want to schedule, that you
00:38:42
might want to take a look at. It's
00:38:43
basically a Gemini sort of uh butler
00:38:47
assistant thing, but in your email, I
00:38:50
have a theory about this that's going to
00:38:51
be extremely niche and only apply to a
00:38:53
few people. Do it. So, for those of you
00:38:56
who are like me who every morning ask,
00:38:58
"Hey G, how's my day or what's my day
00:39:01
like?" And then Google Assistant goes
00:39:04
through and does the normal routine of
00:39:06
like here's your A, here's your B,
00:39:08
here's your commute or whatever,
00:39:09
whatever you put in for it to tell you,
00:39:10
it does that. This is that. And I think
00:39:15
when the teams that make these two
00:39:16
separate products realize like they meet
00:39:19
each other. When these teams meet each
00:39:20
other on Google campus one day, they're
00:39:22
going to combine them and they will give
00:39:23
me like an AI like good version of this
00:39:27
at some point. But they have to meet
00:39:28
first. So hopefully one of them is
00:39:30
watching this podcast and they realize
00:39:31
that they exist. It's almost like they
00:39:33
have a video conferencing app that's
00:39:35
called the exact thing.
00:39:37
>> Starling
00:39:39
Hangouts meet.
00:39:41
>> Yeah.
00:39:42
>> Um Yeah. So I don't I mean, I'm curious
00:39:45
how it might use like your Google Drive
00:39:49
>> to let you know what you need to do that
00:39:51
day. I can see the calendar making
00:39:53
sense. I can see your email making
00:39:55
sense. Google Drive seems strange.
00:39:58
Unless there's some enterprise Google
00:40:00
Drive feature with like due dates that I
00:40:02
don't know about.
00:40:03
>> Could be fun if it knows like which
00:40:05
video script Google doc I've been
00:40:06
working on and it's like, oh, you're
00:40:08
going to need a link to this doc today.
00:40:10
>> Yeah, it'd be cool
00:40:10
>> if it just like opened all the tabs you
00:40:12
needed at once. That'd be fire. That'd
00:40:14
be fire.
00:40:15
>> Starline is what I meant to say.
00:40:16
>> Oh,
00:40:17
>> cuz I'm an idiot.
00:40:18
>> I was like, Starlink, I remember
00:40:19
Starline.
00:40:20
>> Yeah. Uh, so it is in beta right now in
00:40:24
Google Labs and for Gemini Ultra and
00:40:27
paid users in the US and Canada. Um, I
00:40:31
think Google's just trying to put Gemini
00:40:33
in every little aspect of people's
00:40:35
lives. Even people like people who live
00:40:37
in their email inbox, which is a lot of
00:40:39
people. It's me. Well, you also live in
00:40:42
a inside a camera.
00:40:43
>> You also don't use Gmail.
00:40:45
>> I don't use gmail.com.
00:40:46
>> Yeah,
00:40:47
>> but I use Gmail.
00:40:49
>> I thought you use superhuman.
00:40:50
>> Well, yeah.
00:40:51
>> Yes. Which syncs Gmail?
00:40:53
>> Yeah.
00:40:53
>> But I mean like well you you wouldn't
00:40:55
get this feature, would you?
00:40:58
>> Unless you're using
00:40:58
>> I think you get it as I think it arrives
00:41:00
as an email.
00:41:01
>> Oh, I thought it was like a a popup in
00:41:03
the email app or something.
00:41:04
>> I mean, ideally it's it's reading all
00:41:05
the emails or whatever for my account
00:41:06
and then just shows up as another email.
00:41:08
>> Yeah,
00:41:10
>> maybe. What's interesting, if you want
00:41:11
to talk to CC, you can email CC or you
00:41:14
can reply to one of the emails it sends
00:41:15
you and it'll send you an email back.
00:41:17
So, it's kind of like and then it turns
00:41:18
into a chatbot and then it's Gemini and
00:41:20
then suddenly you're in the Gemini app.
00:41:22
>> Yeah. Yeah.
00:41:23
>> Now I'm confused. The the AI's name is
00:41:25
CC or you you CC it in
00:41:28
>> the product name is called CC as a play
00:41:30
on words to the fact that it's through
00:41:32
your email.
00:41:32
>> Okay. But you're not actually CC.
00:41:34
>> You're not carbon copying anything.
00:41:36
Yeah.
00:41:37
>> I thought it was closed captioning. No,
00:41:39
I thought it was the famous Yankees
00:41:41
clos.
00:41:43
>> He gets it.
00:41:44
>> I don't know what that is.
00:41:46
>> Um
00:41:46
>> F1 driver.
00:41:47
>> Anyway,
00:41:49
speaking of things that are former
00:41:53
>> You said former.
00:41:54
>> Yeah, that's sad.
00:41:55
>> Um the Ford F-150 Lightning is
00:41:59
discontinued.
00:41:59
>> What?
00:42:00
>> Isn't that crazy?
00:42:01
>> Only as we know it, though.
00:42:02
>> As we know it. So, the Ford F-150
00:42:05
Lightning was one of the original
00:42:08
like competitor EVs to Tesla. Tesla was
00:42:11
doing their thing for a while and then
00:42:12
we got a couple big like new EV
00:42:15
competitors. There was like the Mach E.
00:42:18
There was oh, what was the other I'm
00:42:19
going to remember them actually. F150
00:42:21
Lightning was the the pickup truck and
00:42:23
then Rivian R1T came along and uh Jaguar
00:42:26
Ipace. I remember this era. There was
00:42:28
every new EV got compared to the Tesla.
00:42:30
F-150 was one of them where we went,
00:42:31
"Ah, that's good. That's one of the
00:42:33
things that Tesla doesn't have and that
00:42:35
people are going to want." And they
00:42:36
basically just made an F-150 with all
00:42:38
the same benefits and accessories and
00:42:40
every module would fit. It's just with
00:42:41
an electric powertrain instead of gas.
00:42:44
And it's sold okay. I see them on the
00:42:47
road once a while, but it didn't sell to
00:42:49
the rate that Ford was hoping that they
00:42:51
would. And so despite their best efforts
00:42:53
and their refreshes and their special
00:42:55
matte black version that they brought to
00:42:56
the studio here, uh not enough sales, so
00:42:58
they're discontinuing it. That said,
00:43:00
they are still going to continue to do
00:43:02
like hybrid stuff with F-150 platform.
00:43:05
Yeah.
00:43:05
>> So there's lots of versions of F-150
00:43:07
obviously and they're going to do I
00:43:08
guess they're they're trying to do a
00:43:10
version that drives on electric motors
00:43:12
as the powertrain, but is fueled by a
00:43:16
gas generator that fills battery and
00:43:19
then powers the powertrain. So, it's
00:43:20
more of like a Fisker type setup.
00:43:22
>> Karma Rivero.
00:43:23
>> Yeah, exactly. They said they can get up
00:43:24
to 700 miles on that.
00:43:26
>> Yeah, I was confused by that because
00:43:27
there's like no information, but 700 got
00:43:30
thrown around in like every article that
00:43:31
I saw. But I guess,
00:43:32
>> believe it or not,
00:43:33
>> I'm assuming there's still battery
00:43:35
involved into it. And the gasoline
00:43:37
engine is a
00:43:38
>> is a generator.
00:43:39
>> Is a generator that's extending range in
00:43:42
quick scenarios. Um, sounds like a
00:43:45
really cool way to have two things to go
00:43:47
wrong in your car. The gas engine.
00:43:49
That's what people say about hybrids.
00:43:51
It's more complicated, but it is you do
00:43:53
have the upside of more range. So,
00:43:55
>> I see it as a pickup truck, especially
00:43:56
at the F-150 range of, you know, the
00:43:59
most popular vehicle in America. This
00:44:01
making way more sense.
00:44:03
>> I mean, you get the torque of an
00:44:05
electric car, which is great.
00:44:06
>> It's weird though cuz is that that
00:44:08
torque is not always the same kind of
00:44:11
torque they want when it comes to
00:44:13
towing, right?
00:44:14
>> Yeah. I don't know how this will do with
00:44:15
towing, and I'm not a towing expert, but
00:44:17
I kind of feel like the F-150 Lightning
00:44:18
was weak with towing, and that was one
00:44:20
reason why a lot of F-150 owners
00:44:22
wouldn't have wanted it as much, but it
00:44:24
was really good at a lot of other stuff.
00:44:25
Obviously, not as much range when you're
00:44:26
towing or in general.
00:44:28
>> Grocery is tough to tow.
00:44:30
>> Yeah, that's the thing is like there's
00:44:32
two types of F-150 owners. There's the
00:44:34
ones that buy an F-150 because they need
00:44:35
an F-150, and then there's the people
00:44:37
who buy an F-150 just because that's
00:44:39
what I want.
00:44:40
>> Uh people who everyone else has a truck,
00:44:42
I want a truck, too. And it's a popular
00:44:44
here's the truck you get. I might have
00:44:46
to help my friend move one day.
00:44:47
>> Yeah. I had multiple people in my life
00:44:49
that were excited for this truck just
00:44:51
because of the giant battery that they
00:44:53
could use in case like the power goes
00:44:55
out in the house. Like that was the
00:44:56
killer feature. Yeah. Everyone was
00:44:58
excited about that.
00:44:59
>> Yeah. So power vehicle to grid power is
00:45:01
still like a sort of a niche feature
00:45:03
that a couple big battery EVs will do. I
00:45:06
don't know. I'm gonna mess up the list
00:45:07
if I try to name them, but there are a
00:45:09
couple that also still do this where
00:45:10
they can be your house's battery backup
00:45:12
in a pinch. Pretty sick.
00:45:14
>> Uh it'll be like 150 kilowatt hours,
00:45:16
last you for days.
00:45:18
>> Uh but yeah, now that this truck is
00:45:19
discontinued, that's one less option
00:45:21
that's not really good for anyone.
00:45:23
>> Yeah, agreed. Can I say there's a quote
00:45:26
from Jim Farley that I really dislike.
00:45:28
>> Ford, CEO of Ford. What do you say?
00:45:30
>> This is a customer-driven shift to
00:45:32
create a stronger, more resilient, and
00:45:34
more profitable Ford. Is he implying
00:45:36
that the customers are driving a more
00:45:38
profitable Ford? Like we want that?
00:45:39
>> No, I think it's just I don't care about
00:45:42
any of you. We're going to make as much
00:45:44
profit, which
00:45:46
>> every company ever, but just like
00:45:48
>> I'm trying to read into this because
00:45:49
it's a CEO statement. Customer driven
00:45:51
shift implies people weren't buying the
00:45:54
electric ones. So, this is
00:45:55
customer-driven. You guys are doing this
00:45:58
>> uh to create a stronger, more resilient,
00:45:59
and more profitable Ford. So, the EVs
00:46:02
were smaller margins and less
00:46:04
profitable. and what we're going to
00:46:06
switch to and pivot to will be more
00:46:07
profitable for Ford.
00:46:09
>> Do we all care that Ford is more
00:46:10
profitable?
00:46:11
>> Well, it's the CEO. He's talking to
00:46:12
shareholders.
00:46:13
>> Yeah.
00:46:13
>> And to be clear, customers were not
00:46:15
driving the F-150 Lightning,
00:46:17
>> but it was a great truck.
00:46:19
>> Customer-driven truck.
00:46:21
>> Uh, yeah.
00:46:22
>> Wait, I have a question about this.
00:46:24
>> So, the EU also this week just announced
00:46:27
like a plan to stop doing electric
00:46:29
vehicles and stuff like that. Well, no.
00:46:31
To stop the plan to
00:46:34
>> stop gasoline.
00:46:35
>> They removed their mandate for all new
00:46:38
vehicle sales to be electric by, I
00:46:40
believe, 2035.
00:46:42
>> Thank you for putting into words my
00:46:44
incoherent thought.
00:46:45
>> I got you.
00:46:46
>> But my question is, is this more of a
00:46:49
trend now? Are we like reversing the
00:46:51
whole EV thing?
00:46:52
>> Well, I think the bigger thing is right
00:46:54
now is we're losing or have lost the US
00:46:58
EV tax credit. And I think that's I
00:47:01
think everybody understands that that is
00:47:03
for EVs in general hurting sales pretty
00:47:05
hard.
00:47:07
>> Just to be clear, I don't think this has
00:47:08
that much to do with the F-150 thing cuz
00:47:09
it's really hard to buy an F-150 in
00:47:12
Europe, period.
00:47:13
>> I think he's just saying the trend like
00:47:14
we're seeing all these 2030 promises are
00:47:17
probably just going to be that they were
00:47:19
promises three or four years ago. That
00:47:21
>> if you're if you're paying enough
00:47:22
attention to this industry, there is
00:47:24
definitely a trend. It's kind of like
00:47:25
reading between the lines. I remember
00:47:27
like we saw Porsche promise that the 718
00:47:31
Cayman was going to be EV in its next
00:47:33
refresh and then they kind of went and
00:47:36
also a gas one
00:47:38
>> and oh I I was expecting that to be
00:47:40
fully electric but like we see stuff
00:47:41
like that happening. We see companies
00:47:43
who are going ah we're going to go we're
00:47:44
going to have all these electric cars
00:47:45
and we're going to go fully electric by
00:47:47
this year and then quietly they're just
00:47:48
not doing it.
00:47:49
>> Yeah. So c customer-driven probably and
00:47:53
also just being realistic like I'm I'm
00:47:55
reading up on this and by reading up I
00:47:57
mean I googled EU electric mandate and
00:47:59
the AI overview is telling me that the
00:48:02
recent change removes the hard 2035 ban
00:48:05
on new cars that are gas powered but
00:48:09
they are still allowing up to 10% of
00:48:11
sales to be combustion engines. So it's
00:48:12
like instead of 100 it'll be 90. Just
00:48:15
slowly walking it back to be more
00:48:16
realistic and more in line with
00:48:18
>> 10%. Yeah. Versus zero over that.
00:48:21
>> Yeah. So, I I I agree that it's a trend.
00:48:24
It's a slow iceberg movement type of
00:48:27
trend where it doesn't look like a
00:48:28
disaster, but it it just feels like
00:48:29
we're calibrating to what's realistic
00:48:32
>> and customer trends and profit.
00:48:34
>> Well, yeah, but the realism is based on
00:48:36
company profits.
00:48:37
>> Profit. Well, if you're not if nobody's
00:48:39
buying EVs and the the government
00:48:40
incentives go away and and sales drop,
00:48:42
it's like you can't make people buy EVs
00:48:46
if they don't want them. Well, that's
00:48:48
why we were incentivizing people to buy
00:48:50
EVs.
00:48:50
>> We're incentivizing them because they're
00:48:52
more expensive uh per car. So, it's like
00:48:54
if I want someone to choose the EV, it
00:48:56
needs to be the correct choice for them.
00:48:58
They don't get to just force people into
00:48:59
buying EVs. So, if it was, oh, $7,000
00:49:02
less. Well, now it makes it a better
00:49:03
buy. I'm going to choose the EV. But now
00:49:05
that that incentive goes away, in this
00:49:07
specific case in the US, it's like
00:49:09
>> now the gas car is a better buy. I'm
00:49:11
going to buy the gas car in the hybrid.
00:49:12
And Toyota's sitting there going, "Yes,
00:49:14
more Prius buyers for us."
00:49:15
>> That's true. So that's true. That's just
00:49:18
>> Toyota sitting in the middle ground
00:49:19
forever with the Prius was probably
00:49:20
their best call cuz they just knew that
00:49:23
no one was ever going to like fully
00:49:25
switch one way or the other.
00:49:26
>> They're hybrid kings.
00:49:27
>> They are.
00:49:28
>> I'll throw one more thing out there.
00:49:29
Yeah,
00:49:29
>> because I already can feel all the truck
00:49:32
people yelling at me. I figured why not
00:49:34
have all the Tesla people yell at me.
00:49:35
Also,
00:49:35
>> let's go all in.
00:49:37
>> Even though the F-150 Lightning
00:49:39
literally is a car that Ford says this
00:49:41
isn't worth producing anymore and still
00:49:42
outsold the Cybertruck in 2025. Woo.
00:49:46
>> Yeah.
00:49:46
>> Yeah. But have you tried Have you tried
00:49:48
version 14, Andrew? Have you tried
00:49:50
version 14, bro?
00:49:53
>> Yeah. It's funny that like Tesla sells
00:49:55
Well, Tesla only has
00:49:56
>> There's a lot of nuance to that and I
00:49:58
don't care.
00:49:58
>> Yeah, the joke is funny.
00:50:00
>> They have four or five models. Ford
00:50:02
F-150 is the most popular vehicle in
00:50:04
America. So, the fact that one of the
00:50:06
trims didn't sell well and got
00:50:08
discontinued is kind of not huge news.
00:50:10
>> Yeah.
00:50:11
>> But it is what it is. Um, speaking of EV
00:50:14
trucks. Oh, so easy.
00:50:15
>> There we go.
00:50:16
>> Because I wrote it in the outline.
00:50:18
>> Oh, you did? I didn't even see that. I
00:50:20
saw Rivian in bold and I was like, I got
00:50:22
this.
00:50:24
>> But yes, speaking of EV trucks, Rivian
00:50:26
had an event this past week. And it was
00:50:28
really interesting because I couldn't
00:50:29
tell who the event was for. The first
00:50:32
part of it was this really engaging and
00:50:35
interesting like AI chat from R.J. who's
00:50:38
a CEO talking about how they're going to
00:50:40
be making their own silicon and their
00:50:42
generation 3 platform of vehicles is
00:50:44
going to be fully self-driving on
00:50:45
millions of miles of roads. And I was
00:50:47
like, whoa, that's really interesting.
00:50:48
But this is also their autonomy day
00:50:50
event. So then it transferred into this
00:50:53
really, really long, very detailed and
00:50:56
honestly complex, but explanations of
00:50:58
how they're doing these things and the
00:50:59
neural nets and the advantages of their
00:51:01
approach mixing in LAR with radar with
00:51:03
cameras, why they believe this is the
00:51:05
right solution for the future. And it
00:51:07
feels like they were talking to
00:51:10
>> shareholders, engineers.
00:51:12
>> They know who they were talking to.
00:51:13
>> Yeah. And and the comments section was
00:51:16
people watching a live stream on
00:51:18
twitter.com or YouTube. So it was like
00:51:21
people who are terminally online and
00:51:23
maybe a little bit too in the bubble and
00:51:25
they were like this isn't close to what
00:51:26
Tesla's doing. And then they had uh
00:51:29
hands-on after which was allowing people
00:51:32
to ride in these new self-driving
00:51:34
Rivian. Mhm.
00:51:35
>> And so there's some footage online of
00:51:36
these these these rides and some of them
00:51:38
look okay. Some of them look like they
00:51:39
had some errors and misses which is
00:51:42
normal. They didn't do like a closed
00:51:43
course thing. Um so there's a lot going
00:51:46
on. My takeaway which is very much just
00:51:49
from my own perspective because I own a
00:51:51
generation one Rivian was I'm glad I
00:51:54
didn't buy a Gen 2 Rivian because none
00:51:57
of those are going to get the the new
00:51:58
silicon. It's the Gen 3 which is
00:52:02
basically R2.
00:52:04
They announce new silicons. Sorry.
00:52:05
>> Yeah, you kind of have to be in the
00:52:06
lingo. Rivian has R1, which is the first
00:52:10
generation of their vehicles, and then
00:52:12
they have R2, which is the SUV, like
00:52:16
second generation thing. And then they
00:52:18
have R3, which is even smaller.
00:52:20
>> But they also have generation one, which
00:52:22
is Rivian R1T and R1S, and then
00:52:25
generation 2, which is also Rivian 2,
00:52:27
R1S, and R1T. Yeah.
00:52:28
>> And then generation three, which is R2.
00:52:33
And presumably there'll be an R1 gen 3
00:52:35
>> and R3
00:52:36
>> and probably probably an R1 gen 3
00:52:38
>> and R3 will be Gen 3.
00:52:40
>> So the takeaway here is R2 is the first
00:52:43
gen 3 vehicle that will have the silicon
00:52:46
in it that will have all the full
00:52:48
self-driving that they're talking about
00:52:49
all these new capabilities.
00:52:51
>> It'll have LAR up at the top and they
00:52:53
talked about how smoothly integrated
00:52:54
that LAR box is. And the Gen 2 vehicles
00:52:58
now that are like a slight update to my
00:53:00
Gen 1 R1 are not going to get all of
00:53:04
that.
00:53:04
>> Dang. Sad for those people.
00:53:05
>> Yeah, they might get some of that, but
00:53:06
they won't have the silicon. Obviously,
00:53:08
they're already shipping.
00:53:09
>> Anyway,
00:53:09
>> yeah,
00:53:10
>> it's interesting. They are they're
00:53:11
promising a lot. Uh it's kind of hard to
00:53:13
take all their word for it because we
00:53:15
see these
00:53:15
>> I love how much they promised.
00:53:17
>> They promised a lot.
00:53:18
>> Felt really Tesla.
00:53:19
>> Yeah. And I, you know, I feel like
00:53:21
that's a combo of like maybe a little
00:53:23
bit of fundraising and talking to the
00:53:24
public about like, oh yeah, we are super
00:53:27
AI first and and self-driving and all
00:53:29
that stuff and then people who invest
00:53:31
and and have lots of money to give
00:53:32
Rivian might go, oh, seems about right
00:53:35
and and be more down, whatever.
00:53:38
>> Um, I don't think it's going to sell
00:53:39
them any R1s, though, because it doesn't
00:53:41
have the stuff that they were talking
00:53:42
about. to Tesla's credit,
00:53:44
>> them going all in on the cameras, it was
00:53:48
like now for their customers, their
00:53:51
customers get to, you know,
00:53:52
theoretically use more of the
00:53:55
self-driving features as they get
00:53:57
updated
00:53:58
>> because all of the Teslas for a very
00:54:00
long time have cameras.
00:54:01
>> Yeah.
00:54:02
>> And so they're not going to need like
00:54:04
new sensors and stuff. There's like
00:54:05
>> Yeah,
00:54:06
>> they've switched out the the boxes.
00:54:08
>> They've changed the sensors, the
00:54:10
cameras.
00:54:10
>> Yeah. But they're not there's no like
00:54:12
hard limit on like your Model 3 can do
00:54:14
it and yours there is.
00:54:15
>> No, I think there is hardware like a
00:54:17
joke.
00:54:19
>> Haven't they not updated the hardware
00:54:20
versions in like a while? There was at
00:54:22
least one statement on stage that Elon
00:54:25
uh sort of skirted around. He'd said,
00:54:26
"Oh yeah, all Model 3s are going to have
00:54:29
full self-driving." And then you hear
00:54:31
someone in the crowd go like, "What
00:54:32
about hardware 3?" And he kind of just
00:54:35
goes, "Let's not pay attention to
00:54:36
nuance." Like he literally says like,
00:54:38
"Let's not get nuanced." because he
00:54:40
knows that this is for a certain X date
00:54:42
and forward version of Tesla and it's
00:54:44
not actually all Model 3s that are going
00:54:46
to get all these features.
00:54:47
>> Got it.
00:54:48
>> But if you just kind of avoid nuance, it
00:54:49
seems like a nice thing to say.
00:54:51
>> Um I don't know if there's a lawsuit
00:54:52
about that, but it's like the same thing
00:54:54
is going to happen with everyone who has
00:54:56
updated hardware in their cars. They
00:54:58
build new capabilities around the
00:54:59
updated hardware. And so everyone who's
00:55:01
on previous gen like me, a firstg Rivian
00:55:04
buyer who spent tons of money on a truck
00:55:05
to support this early thing, I'm not
00:55:06
getting any of these features. Yeah.
00:55:08
>> So, oh well.
00:55:09
>> Too bad they can't just like update the
00:55:10
box.
00:55:11
>> What features did they announce, though?
00:55:13
>> So, Rivian's main thing was their
00:55:15
current uh driver assist feature. I'm
00:55:18
not going to try to name them because
00:55:19
they all have different pilot auto type
00:55:21
names or whatever, but the current
00:55:22
driver assist feature is something like
00:55:24
a 100,000 uh fully lined highways.
00:55:29
>> 135,000 miles of roads that is getting
00:55:32
updated to 3.5 million miles of roads. I
00:55:34
think the quote that one guy said later
00:55:36
was, "If it has clearly marked painted
00:55:38
lines, you can drive on it." To which
00:55:40
>> every comment I saw from that is like,
00:55:42
"Well, where I live doesn't have that."
00:55:45
So, like, I'm not coming to work. Yeah.
00:55:48
>> There's a lot more roads in the US, but
00:55:49
it's like the current driver assist that
00:55:51
I try to use doesn't work on
00:55:52
neighborhood streets, doesn't work on
00:55:54
lots of regular roads that you think it
00:55:56
should work on. It works okay on a lot
00:55:58
of highways, but it's like just a
00:56:00
regular road with lines on it, it
00:56:02
wouldn't work. So, this theoretically
00:56:04
multiplies by several orders of
00:56:05
magnitude how many roads it can drive
00:56:07
hands-free on um whether you choose to
00:56:10
use that or not or if you were planning
00:56:12
on using it for everything, there's
00:56:13
still a long way to go for them. But,
00:56:15
>> and then the next the next level of
00:56:18
things they're doing for the uh gen Gen
00:56:22
3
00:56:22
>> Gen Sanong, that's a different company.
00:56:25
>> Um
00:56:26
>> Oh, yeah. In 2026, they're claiming
00:56:28
point to point. So, like put it address
00:56:30
to address and I'll drive you the whole
00:56:31
way. Um, and then Gen three architecture
00:56:33
is eyes off. So he's claiming you can
00:56:36
like read a book and do stuff like that.
00:56:38
And then after that would be personal
00:56:40
level four. This is the level of
00:56:42
promising where I was like, I don't like
00:56:44
this. This is way too much. That's also
00:56:47
just out of Rivian's hands for quite a
00:56:49
bit of it in terms of regulations.
00:56:51
>> And that's a lot to promise. Um,
00:56:53
>> yeah,
00:56:54
>> there are laws.
00:56:56
My question is if you're doing eyes off
00:56:59
but you also can only do it on marked
00:57:01
roads. If you are eyes off and it
00:57:04
>> GPS doesn't know the road has lines or
00:57:06
not and you get to a unlined road,
00:57:09
>> what happens?
00:57:09
>> I guess it'll just beep at you. It beeps
00:57:11
at you and says take over.
00:57:12
>> Yeah,
00:57:13
>> cuz it it's probably not like you can
00:57:14
sit in the back seat.
00:57:15
>> No, no, you can't beep in the back. But
00:57:17
like if you're reading a book like he
00:57:18
said and in a split sec if you're going
00:57:21
60 and now the road doesn't have lines
00:57:22
on it anymore, what is your ditching the
00:57:25
book and grabbing the wheel? Doesn't
00:57:27
>> just like slow down like it slowly slows
00:57:31
down until it basically does it pull
00:57:32
over.
00:57:33
>> Okay, that sounds unsafe for other
00:57:35
people driving on the roads to just have
00:57:36
a car slow
00:57:37
>> better than barreling down a road that
00:57:38
you don't know.
00:57:39
>> So that's also true. Hey, listen. I'm
00:57:40
not the one who made the problem here.
00:57:43
>> What happens? It accelerates. goes even
00:57:45
faster.
00:57:46
>> I think one of the most interesting
00:57:48
battlegrounds on the internet, which has
00:57:50
been hilarious, and this may just be
00:57:52
comment farming, but I think it's
00:57:53
hilarious, is the LAR versus no LAR
00:57:56
battle in in the self-driving world. And
00:57:58
really, it's just people who listen to
00:58:00
what Tesla Elon says, which is lighter
00:58:03
is stupid. You don't need it. or what a
00:58:06
lot of others like Jaguar with the iPace
00:58:08
and Whimo and obviously with Rivian now
00:58:10
are doing which is adding LAR to the
00:58:13
suite of sensors to help augment the
00:58:17
downsides of vision only
00:58:18
>> right
00:58:19
>> and the argument is like vision only can
00:58:21
do a lot if your systems are really good
00:58:23
if your AI is really good but there's
00:58:25
this really really really really long
00:58:28
tale of edge cases of things that are
00:58:31
kind of weird to solve for with vision
00:58:33
>> fog
00:58:34
>> fog and and rain and and all that other
00:58:35
stuff, but also just weird stuff that
00:58:37
happens on the road. And LAR can see
00:58:40
further and has obviously a better uh
00:58:43
long distance vision than just the
00:58:45
cameras. And so I guess what R.J. was
00:58:48
saying on stage with Rivian's event is
00:58:50
LAR has come down enough in price that
00:58:52
this is not prohibitively expensive.
00:58:54
We're going to do this. We're going to
00:58:55
map build this into all of our data. And
00:58:58
so the camps are people who say this is
00:59:01
doomed. you're just adding noise to your
00:59:02
neural nets or this is actually better
00:59:05
than not having it. Of course, you
00:59:06
should add it. They fight a lot on
00:59:08
Twitter.
00:59:08
>> Marquez, people have been driving cars
00:59:10
for millions of years without LAR in
00:59:12
their eyes. I don't know what you need
00:59:14
LAR for.
00:59:15
>> Well, that goes to my like humanoid
00:59:16
robot argument, too, which is people
00:59:18
going that human robots should be human
00:59:20
shaped. I'm like, you just inherited all
00:59:21
the blind spots and all the downsides of
00:59:23
humans, including drivers. Of course,
00:59:26
human drivers are worse than robot
00:59:27
drivers. We have no eyes in the back of
00:59:29
our head.
00:59:29
>> Do you know what the best part about
00:59:30
this episode is? What?
00:59:31
>> We get to leave for two weeks and not
00:59:33
read any of the comments. It's going to
00:59:35
be a brutal comments of every episode.
00:59:37
>> Can some machine learning engineer
00:59:39
please explain to me why all the AI
00:59:41
companies were like, "No, we need to
00:59:43
steal everything because the more
00:59:46
information we have to give to the
00:59:48
models, the smarter they're going to
00:59:49
be." And that somehow doesn't apply to
00:59:51
cars. Like, like, oh no, that's too much
00:59:54
information. Get the LAR out of here. No
00:59:56
radar, just just cameras. That's too
00:59:58
much. It's like, what? How does that
00:59:59
make any goddamn sense?
01:00:01
>> Well, they are, to be fair, they are
01:00:03
working on ways to not just feed more
01:00:04
data to the language models. Like
01:00:06
they're they're working on ways around
01:00:07
that
01:00:08
>> after they stole everything.
01:00:10
>> Yeah.
01:00:11
>> Yeah.
01:00:11
>> Yeah. After they stole everything.
01:00:13
>> One other thing they did announce,
01:00:14
Rivian assistant.
01:00:16
>> This is interesting,
01:00:16
>> which was kind of like Yeah. Exactly
01:00:19
what you would imagine is your own incar
01:00:21
assistant. But one thing I thought that
01:00:23
was interesting is R.J. shows a way that
01:00:25
you can like obviously you can do
01:00:26
vehicular commands in terms of with your
01:00:29
car. That definitely sounds like
01:00:31
breaking a law like a charge
01:00:34
manslaughter.
01:00:34
>> But uh you
01:00:35
>> you said vehicular commands like turn on
01:00:38
my heated
01:00:39
>> I didn't say that out loud.
01:00:41
>> Um but it also like it could make
01:00:44
changes to Google calendar and other
01:00:46
Google things which
01:00:47
>> if you're partnering with Google somehow
01:00:49
or connecting with Google, give me
01:00:51
Android Auto. You can do it, coward.
01:00:54
Just do it. It makes no sense to not do
01:00:57
it.
01:00:57
>> Wait, I'm trying to think, okay, what
01:00:58
their logic would be like if I asked
01:00:59
them right now, what would they say? Cuz
01:01:01
the lot, okay, I use Rivian software.
01:01:03
Rivian gets all the data about how I use
01:01:05
the car. If I have Android Auto, I will
01:01:08
just use that and so I won't put all my
01:01:10
navigation data or anything else like
01:01:12
that into Rivian system. So Riven system
01:01:14
can't learn and get better. So what they
01:01:17
do is they plug in certain parts of
01:01:20
Google's ecosystem so that I keep using
01:01:22
Rivian software but that I can still
01:01:24
interact with Google services.
01:01:27
That's probably what they would say.
01:01:29
>> I don't care
01:01:32
just but yeah I I will definitely use it
01:01:36
to do things in the car and I will
01:01:37
definitely not use it to change my
01:01:38
calendar. I do not trust that.
01:01:40
>> Do you trust that? Would you ask your
01:01:42
car to change your calendar? I feel like
01:01:44
I wouldn't trust that.
01:01:45
>> No. No way.
01:01:46
>> I like having my calendar in my car.
01:01:48
>> Yeah, but on like something I can see
01:01:49
and like do with my hands, I guess.
01:01:51
Theoretically,
01:01:52
>> touch screen.
01:01:53
>> Theoretically, it's self-driving. Yeah.
01:01:54
Is it going to show me my calendar?
01:01:55
>> We're just old. I need to physically see
01:01:58
myself moving it. I don't know if I
01:02:00
would trust like some automated system
01:02:01
to do it just for me telling
01:02:02
>> I don't even have to do that.
01:02:04
>> The automated system. No, but if it
01:02:06
showed like a little calendar widget on
01:02:08
your screen and then I could see the box
01:02:09
move, I guess I'd trust it then.
01:02:11
>> Yeah,
01:02:12
>> I'm a very visual learner. I don't want
01:02:14
my car to have any thoughts. I don't
01:02:15
want my car to have to think about where
01:02:17
to turn. I don't want my car to have to
01:02:18
think about my calendar.
01:02:20
>> I don't want my car to think at all.
01:02:21
>> Just API.
01:02:22
>> I want it to go pedal down and go go
01:02:25
forward. I want car to go. I want car to
01:02:27
go go and beep beep. And that's that's
01:02:29
like good enough.
01:02:30
>> No break. Just horn.
01:02:35
>> I think we need I think we need an ad
01:02:36
break.
01:02:37
>> Let's trivia.
01:02:38
>> I'm really Wait, I'm really curious what
01:02:40
the last No, it's okay. This is This is
01:02:41
a trivia question. Oh, okay.
01:02:42
>> I'm just really c curious what the last
01:02:45
trivia question of the year is going to
01:02:47
be. Better be good.
01:02:48
>> Oh, I really want to.
01:02:49
>> Don't you want to know? All right. So,
01:02:51
this is a bit of a teaser for this next
01:02:52
segment coming up.
01:02:53
>> Oh, but
01:02:56
>> I'm looking at Ellis as I say this.
01:02:59
>> Question number two of this episode.
01:03:01
Last one of the year. What is the
01:03:03
Scoville rating of the bomb?
01:03:06
>> Super hot question.
01:03:08
>> Closest without
01:03:09
>> Closest without going over.
01:03:10
>> Going over. Yeah,
01:03:13
>> I think we should just do Delta. We've
01:03:15
all watched We've all watched Hot Ones
01:03:16
enough. We should
01:03:19
>> Everyone but David has watched Hot Ones
01:03:20
enough that we should
01:03:21
>> The only Hot Ones episode I watched was
01:03:23
the one where uh what's his name? Like
01:03:26
>> you better be careful right there.
01:03:28
>> Marquez has been on it twice.
01:03:30
>> I think I watched that one. Wait, twice?
01:03:33
I watched one.
01:03:34
>> I didn't know you went on again.
01:03:36
>> David, just leave. Just leave.
01:03:37
>> Unbelievable.
01:03:39
I talked so much about you on that
01:03:41
episode. That's crazy.
01:03:44
>> He was like, "My good friend David."
01:03:46
>> There was a whole section where Sean is
01:03:47
like, "I heard you're friends with
01:03:48
David."
01:03:50
>> It was You should totally watch it,
01:03:51
dude. It was so good.
01:03:52
>> All right, that's cool. I'll keep it up.
01:03:53
>> Anyway,
01:03:54
>> I'll keep it up on my one of my three
01:03:55
screens.
01:03:57
>> Well, we'll think about this one.
01:03:58
Answers will be at the end like usual.
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>> My my shirt's back on now.
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>> So, 2025, how do we end the last episode
01:07:26
of this calendar year of our regular
01:07:28
scheduled programming? How should we end
01:07:29
this?
01:07:30
>> Well, Adam was nice enough to go back
01:07:31
and look at all the predictions we made
01:07:33
at the start of the year
01:07:35
>> and kind of has a little recap going on,
01:07:37
too. So, I think we just jump straight
01:07:39
into what we predicted. Is this waveform
01:07:42
wrapped?
01:07:43
>> Kind of.
01:07:44
>> Kind of. Sort of.
01:07:44
>> I hope I got everything right.
01:07:46
>> You didn't.
01:07:48
I did not.
01:07:50
>> Damn it.
01:07:51
>> All right. What did we say?
01:07:53
>> Do you want to go through these, Adam?
01:07:54
You wrote them all down. We'll just
01:07:56
react to them. Yeah.
01:07:57
>> Also, quick note, this is the last
01:07:59
regularly scheduled program of this
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year. We will have a bonus episode next
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week at the time of you listening to
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this. So, if you're traveling for the
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holidays,
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>> Yeah. next Tuesday, there there will be
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an episode.
01:08:09
>> Yes.
01:08:09
>> Uh, okay. 23rd.
01:08:10
>> Yeah, 23rd. Random 2025 predictions. The
01:08:14
first one was, "Will the S25 have G2
01:08:18
wireless charging?"
01:08:20
>> David said yes.
01:08:22
>> G2 meaning with the magnets.
01:08:24
>> Yeah, with the magnets.
01:08:24
>> With the magnets,
01:08:26
>> cuz I was G2 as we knew it before.
01:08:29
Ready?
01:08:30
>> The first like two episodes of the year
01:08:32
were usating this.
01:08:34
>> CH2 got us like five times and they kept
01:08:36
changing the spec. They're like, "Choo,
01:08:39
>> as we predicted ready."
01:08:41
>> Andrew also said yes. Marquez said no. I
01:08:44
said no. Ellis said yes.
01:08:46
>> So, I got that right.
01:08:47
>> So, Marquez and I got it correct.
01:08:48
>> Whatever.
01:08:49
>> The only phones that had G2 were just
01:08:51
the Pixel
01:08:52
>> and the iPhone.
01:08:53
>> Speaking of Pixel, that was the next
01:08:55
one. Marquez,
01:08:56
>> was it only the Pixel?
01:08:58
>> Pixel
01:09:00
HMD Skyl.
01:09:01
>> Well, yeah, that's it.
01:09:02
>> Marquez, you said that 2025 would be the
01:09:05
year of the Pixel 10. Oh.
01:09:09
Oh, no.
01:09:10
>> How do you feel about that?
01:09:12
>> You shut me down last week with my hot
01:09:14
take.
01:09:15
>> I I remember what I was thinking when I
01:09:17
said that and it had a lot to do with
01:09:18
Tensor and that did not happen.
01:09:20
>> Yeah.
01:09:20
>> Yeah.
01:09:21
>> Damn.
01:09:21
>> You were saying that this year it would
01:09:23
take a big leap and then next year in
01:09:25
the in the 11 we would get a big visual
01:09:27
refresh.
01:09:28
>> I don't know why I have that much faith.
01:09:29
>> That might be true
01:09:30
>> because it's 10.
01:09:32
>> Yeah. I mean, this would have been a
01:09:33
great year to do it.
01:09:34
>> Yeah.
01:09:35
>> Well, that was the question. David, you
01:09:37
said because it's the 10, do you think
01:09:38
they're going to do something big? And
01:09:39
Marquez was like, nah.
01:09:42
>> But
01:09:42
>> wait, he said no or he said yeah.
01:09:44
>> He said it wouldn't they wouldn't do
01:09:45
anything big to the hardware. It would
01:09:47
be the same hardware and tensor is going
01:09:49
to be a huge leap and it's going to be
01:09:50
the year of the Pixel 10.
01:09:51
>> It should have been.
01:09:52
>> It ended up being that Pixel Snap was a
01:09:55
bigger deal than any of the rest of the
01:09:56
stuff that
01:09:57
>> Yeah. Yeah.
01:09:58
>> True. True.
01:09:58
>> Unfortunately,
01:09:59
>> we like Pixel Snap.
01:10:00
>> Yeah.
01:10:00
>> It's called Tenser, right? And then it's
01:10:03
the 10th. It's Pixel 10. Come on, guys.
01:10:06
with the 10.
01:10:06
>> How many hot dogs would you like?
01:10:08
>> 10.
01:10:08
>> 10, sir.
01:10:09
>> Exactly.
01:10:10
>> Why is it hot dogs?
01:10:11
>> Like, how many?
01:10:12
>> It's always hot dogs. It's always hot.
01:10:14
>> Yeah, it's always hot dogs.
01:10:16
>> Okay. Uh, then we had our hot takes
01:10:18
predictions.
01:10:19
>> Okay.
01:10:19
>> Which All right. Mine I'm just going to
01:10:20
get the way. You can all laugh at me.
01:10:23
>> We only had two predictions.
01:10:25
>> Well, no, that was the
01:10:26
>> those are just like random
01:10:27
>> random ones that I picked. We had a
01:10:28
bunch that episode, but those were the
01:10:30
ones I felt like were worth re talking
01:10:32
about. Uh, random hot take predictions.
01:10:34
Mine was that someone will get the the
01:10:36
AI wearable right this year.
01:10:38
>> I
01:10:39
>> How do you feel about that one?
01:10:40
>> The Pebble.
01:10:42
>> The what?
01:10:42
>> It's not out yet.
01:10:43
>> It's not AI.
01:10:44
>> Dude, when is when does anything ever
01:10:46
come out anymore? Okay. Like, come on.
01:10:49
>> Yeah, I don't feel great about that one,
01:10:50
but it's in 2026.
01:10:52
>> I don't know. Mark had like three
01:10:53
different AI wearables on the testing
01:10:55
desk that just dustable
01:10:57
cuz I don't I cannot confirm or deny
01:10:59
this about the pocket one that I got or
01:11:01
the friend one that I got. I got to try
01:11:03
those things. I can confirm they did not
01:11:04
get it right.
01:11:05
>> I've seen
01:11:06
>> Friend definitely did not get it.
01:11:07
>> I've seen those subway ads.
01:11:09
>> Subway ads.
01:11:12
>> It was like everywhere on the subway.
01:11:15
>> Which one?
01:11:15
>> Friend.
01:11:16
>> Friend.
01:11:16
>> They booked out the entire New York
01:11:18
subway.
01:11:18
>> Did they spend any money on the hardware
01:11:19
or just a website domain of subway?
01:11:22
>> It's the size of an air. It's just a air
01:11:24
tag.
01:11:25
>> That's all it is. Kind of looks like it.
01:11:26
>> Is he out of business yet?
01:11:28
>> No.
01:11:28
>> No. He was whining on Twitter the other
01:11:30
day though. I mean, turns out when
01:11:31
you're just like a Chad GBT rapper, you
01:11:33
don't have to spend
01:11:34
>> That was the tweet I saw. That was
01:11:36
>> Hey, 20% of the people on this podcast
01:11:37
are paying customers of Chat GBT
01:11:40
>> for friend.
01:11:41
>> You bought the
01:11:42
>> You pay for
01:11:42
>> You can buy the friend.
01:11:44
>> You pay for sitting on my desk
01:11:46
>> and you're paying for the
01:11:47
>> You know what's funny? I don't think
01:11:48
that's I don't think that's a different
01:11:50
AI necklace. I'm pretty sure.
01:11:53
>> Oh, the one that I have.
01:11:54
>> Yeah.
01:11:54
>> Whoops.
01:11:56
>> There's another one that kind of looks
01:11:57
like the Oh, god.
01:11:58
>> All right. Well, I'll I'll test them all
01:12:00
later.
01:12:00
>> That just shows that Adam was especially
01:12:02
wrong. I want to confirm that, but I'm
01:12:04
pretty sure it's something else.
01:12:06
>> I'll go back and find that. I cannot
01:12:07
confirm or deny.
01:12:07
>> Well, the next one was Andrews. Rabbit
01:12:10
will survive and release the Rabbit R2.
01:12:12
>> I was close.
01:12:13
>> You're close.
01:12:15
>> Survive.
01:12:16
>> They are not out of business yet.
01:12:17
>> Well, yeah, because they didn't have to
01:12:18
pay any employees.
01:12:20
>> If they haven't paid any of their
01:12:22
employees, are they still technically
01:12:23
>> still alive and teased teased a new one?
01:12:27
>> Exactly. Okay.
01:12:28
>> Oh my god.
01:12:30
>> Technically,
01:12:30
>> are we I got closer than that.
01:12:32
>> Another CES where a bunch of influencers
01:12:34
like talk about how cool it is and it
01:12:35
ends up being
01:12:36
>> Can they afford a plane ticket to CES?
01:12:38
>> They'll get flown out there. Fighting
01:12:40
words, Andrew.
01:12:41
>> Uh David, you said Yeah,
01:12:43
>> this is this is a little crazy. You
01:12:45
said, "I think Humane gets sold in
01:12:47
2025."
01:12:48
>> Correct.
01:12:49
>> Correct.
01:12:50
>> But you also said probably not to HP.
01:12:53
>> No way.
01:12:54
>> How did you do that? Did he really say
01:12:57
that? It did seem a little obvious
01:13:00
because like HP humane pin, you know, a
01:13:02
little on the nose.
01:13:03
>> Thank you, Alice.
01:13:03
>> Did I really say that?
01:13:04
>> You did. I think it was because it was
01:13:06
around the time that rumors first
01:13:08
started popping up. It hadn't happened
01:13:10
yet, but it was like around the time
01:13:11
that there were rumors.
01:13:12
>> I think it I think I was just thinking
01:13:13
that would just be that would be too
01:13:15
funny. It would be too depressing and
01:13:17
funny.
01:13:17
>> Wow.
01:13:18
>> Andrew also asked if when it inevitably
01:13:21
sold if it would be more or less than
01:13:22
Juan Sto's contract. Not even close.
01:13:25
>> Player of the Mets, which was $765
01:13:27
million. They sold for about $116
01:13:30
million.
01:13:31
>> So, not close.
01:13:31
>> That's still too much.
01:13:32
>> Although, his contract was for 15 years.
01:13:34
So, you know, they made that in like
01:13:35
what three.
01:13:36
>> Are they making the AI for the printers
01:13:37
better over there?
01:13:38
>> Do you have an HP printer?
01:13:40
>> Yeah. What's going on over there at HP?
01:13:43
>> What? Who?
01:13:44
>> They're just printing money.
01:13:45
>> HP decided to buy Humane. I have so many
01:13:48
questions.
01:13:49
>> Yeah, I know, right?
01:13:50
>> That are not yet answered about that.
01:13:51
It's probably the They did invent some
01:13:52
sort of projector technology.
01:13:54
>> Hey, printer.
01:13:55
>> Hey, printer, connect to Wi-Fi again,
01:13:57
please, for the love of God.
01:13:58
>> HP makes laptops still.
01:14:00
>> Dragonfly.
01:14:01
>> Yeah,
01:14:02
>> they make a lot of Chromebooks.
01:14:04
>> The next hot take was Marquez. You said
01:14:06
the browser wars are back.
01:14:09
>> True.
01:14:09
>> I got that right.
01:14:10
>> Yep. I got that right. But there are so
01:14:12
many browsers
01:14:13
>> useless. He also correct didn't expect
01:14:15
the main browser war to be the company
01:14:17
killing their own browser and starting
01:14:19
another one and causing a giant side. We
01:14:22
got plots we got side plots. We got main
01:14:24
plots. We got chat GBT threatening
01:14:26
Google threatening. We got a whole bunch
01:14:29
>> threatening.
01:14:29
>> Well, existing enough for a little code
01:14:31
red action. I feel like that's
01:14:32
>> Oh, I thought you meant like Atlas.
01:14:33
>> No, the Atlas.
01:14:34
>> Well, I mean that's one of the things.
01:14:36
>> Yeah, the browser wars are back.
01:14:37
>> I thought you meant they sent a threat
01:14:39
to the other
01:14:42
>> Yeah.
01:14:43
Sundar
01:14:44
>> and that's it.
01:14:45
>> Yeah, that's it. Oh, wait, no, there's
01:14:47
one more. Ellis,
01:14:48
>> you said last year that Microsoft will
01:14:50
not be adding live translation to any of
01:14:53
their products in 2025.
01:14:55
>> You also said that if they do, you will
01:14:57
sit at the big table and apologize while
01:14:59
eating the bomb.
01:15:01
>> The bomb,
01:15:02
>> sorry, the bomb.
01:15:04
>> Did Microsoft technically
01:15:05
>> Microsoft
01:15:06
>> Teams
01:15:07
>> team? But did they really
01:15:09
>> interpreter mode? Well, I don't I
01:15:12
haven't heard anything about We've joked
01:15:13
about the live translation thing all
01:15:15
year.
01:15:15
>> Thing where like I'm pretty sure I'm
01:15:18
wrong. Like even if I did just say
01:15:21
Microsoft, like my whole thing was like
01:15:23
this is this is not real. And as the
01:15:27
reason I say I'm pretty sure I'm I'm
01:15:29
wrong is because like earlier we were
01:15:32
talking about this and I was like,
01:15:33
"Yeah, because now the PixelBuds and the
01:15:35
AirPods both have live translation." And
01:15:37
everyone was like, "But but do they?"
01:15:40
And I was like, "No, they they do,
01:15:41
right? Who's used it?" And no one in the
01:15:43
office had used it.
01:15:44
>> Yeah.
01:15:45
>> And it still like
01:15:46
>> doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
01:15:48
>> No, I agree. I feel like
01:15:49
>> it got added to everything and I haven't
01:15:51
heard a peep about any of it.
01:15:53
>> But no, I
01:15:54
>> The Pixel has it for phone calls. Have
01:15:56
you heard a single person?
01:15:58
>> That doesn't mean it doesn't work.
01:15:59
>> I'm just Yeah. Yeah. I use it.
01:16:01
>> I just thought if it would be like real
01:16:02
like life-changing, we would have heard
01:16:04
about it a little more.
01:16:05
>> Anyway, this is all the same. How much
01:16:06
do you speak a different language?
01:16:07
>> Yeah, we don't we don't use it, but that
01:16:09
doesn't mean it's not good for people
01:16:10
who do speak another language. Like I
01:16:12
use it. I remember when the Pixel came
01:16:14
out, everyone was trying this demo in
01:16:16
all of our first hands-on in our reviews
01:16:17
and we they literally would call us and
01:16:19
have someone in another room speak
01:16:20
another language to us and we would hear
01:16:22
the translation in English. We'd speak
01:16:23
back, it would translate, and it would
01:16:25
work. And I haven't used it since then
01:16:26
cuz I don't need to make phone calls to
01:16:28
people who I don't speak to in different
01:16:30
languages, but it works.
01:16:31
>> Yeah,
01:16:32
>> I am a man of my word. Uh after we
01:16:35
finish the next part of waveform
01:16:37
wrapped, I will take a seat at the big
01:16:38
table. I will issue my apology.
01:16:40
>> Stick around
01:16:41
>> and I will I will debomb.
01:16:44
>> You should do the readout with You
01:16:45
should do the bomb and then do the read
01:16:47
out.
01:16:47
>> But you got to I was going to do the
01:16:50
bomb and then read you guys a trivia
01:16:51
question.
01:16:52
>> I like that. I like that better. Yeah,
01:16:54
>> because uh man, that waiting music is
01:16:56
going to feel a little
01:16:57
>> Do are you going to do a spoonful?
01:16:59
>> I don't know. I
01:17:00
>> I think a dab is plenty.
01:17:01
>> I'm going to do a dab. I also It's
01:17:03
dinner time and I haven't eaten. So, I'm
01:17:05
probably gonna like put it on
01:17:06
>> This is bad.
01:17:07
>> A Pringle.
01:17:09
>> We do have milk in the office.
01:17:11
>> Can you scar your stomach lining?
01:17:13
>> That's called an ulcer. Yeah, you can
01:17:15
>> sit there for a while until you cover it
01:17:16
with other food.
01:17:17
>> No, we're going to Yeah, I'm sorry.
01:17:18
>> I did hot ones on an empty stomach. It
01:17:20
was bad.
01:17:20
>> You did hot ones.
01:17:24
>> I feel like every time I say it, I'm
01:17:26
like, maybe I'm flexing. Maybe this is
01:17:28
just unnecessary.
01:17:30
>> Uh yeah. Yeah. Uh, I did watch one of
01:17:32
them.
01:17:33
>> Mhm.
01:17:34
>> Yeah.
01:17:35
>> Did you?
01:17:36
>> I did.
01:17:36
>> Okay.
01:17:37
>> Which one?
01:17:38
>> The I don't know.
01:17:40
>> One of the two. I think it was the first
01:17:41
one.
01:17:41
>> Anyway. Yeah. So,
01:17:42
>> I've been here a long time.
01:17:44
>> I think it's safe to say that while some
01:17:47
of us were kind of right, I was the most
01:17:50
wrong.
01:17:53
>> It's okay. I think that's Yeah,
01:17:55
>> I think you had fair data, you know, cuz
01:17:57
they have announced live translation
01:17:59
like 50 times over the last 10 years.
01:18:01
>> I I I had 11 years to make this bet
01:18:05
>> and the one year I make it is uh is the
01:18:08
year I Yeah,
01:18:09
>> probably not best to guess the year that
01:18:11
like all the LLM actually started
01:18:13
working.
01:18:13
>> Yeah.
01:18:14
>> Well, that was our our predictions. So,
01:18:17
now looking back at this past year
01:18:20
>> Mhm.
01:18:20
>> What do you think was the story of the
01:18:22
year if you had to pick one? What's the
01:18:24
theme? Tech story of the year.
01:18:25
>> I like your list and just liquid asses
01:18:28
in the middle of it.
01:18:31
>> Damn, there was actually a lot of stuff
01:18:33
this year.
01:18:33
>> There's Do you want to read just read
01:18:34
this list, Adam? It's a pretty
01:18:36
>> These are all things that happened this
01:18:37
year.
01:18:37
>> This all stuff that happened in 2025.
01:18:39
>> Okay.
01:18:40
>> Nintendo Switch 2.
01:18:41
>> Let's go.
01:18:41
>> Nintendo Switch 2. Nintendo Switch 2.
01:18:43
>> Tik Tok got sold.
01:18:45
>> Sort of.
01:18:46
>> Kind of maybe.
01:18:47
>> Yeah.
01:18:47
>> Uh the first waveform live stream, which
01:18:49
Ellis added. I completely forgot. I
01:18:51
think another one of those has to happen
01:18:53
in 2026 somehow. At least one
01:18:56
>> uh the Galaxy S25 happened. I feel like
01:18:59
Galaxy and iPhone just by themselves are
01:19:00
big things of the year in tech.
01:19:03
>> I would argue S lineup
01:19:05
>> basically not news this year.
01:19:07
>> Didn't do anything.
01:19:08
>> Is that news? Okay. Uh next, Apple
01:19:10
Vision Pro turned one.
01:19:12
>> I don't remember. Deepseek.
01:19:16
>> Remember that? The whole industry shook.
01:19:18
That was this year. Yeah, that was
01:19:20
crazy.
01:19:21
>> Did we ever find out if that was cap or
01:19:23
not? Like
01:19:24
>> I don't
01:19:24
>> No, I don't think
01:19:25
>> I don't think it was. They just released
01:19:26
some new stuff last week.
01:19:27
>> Uh then there was the iPhone E which
01:19:31
confused us all.
01:19:32
>> Woof.
01:19:32
>> And got of the year.
01:19:34
>> Yeah, I forgot about that.
01:19:35
>> Yeah. Sigma BF camera. Remember that?
01:19:37
>> Oh, the Sigma boyfriend.
01:19:38
>> Yeah, that was this year.
01:19:39
>> Coolest thing for two weeks and
01:19:41
>> all metal, baby. Hey, two weeks is
01:19:42
longer than a lot of stories last.
01:19:43
That's true.
01:19:44
>> Yeah, that's true. Live at Southby.
01:19:46
>> That was fun.
01:19:46
>> Our first show. That was cool. Uh, the
01:19:49
Dodge EV Charger.
01:19:50
>> Room v room.
01:19:51
>> That was this year.
01:19:52
>> That was this year with this
01:19:53
>> loudest EV of all time
01:19:55
>> that Marquez really hated.
01:19:56
>> The fratsonic chamber exhaust man.
01:19:59
>> You could hear us pull up from outside
01:20:01
the studio.
01:20:01
>> That was the muscle car that was too
01:20:03
heavy to do burnouts.
01:20:05
>> Yeah. Not enough power.
01:20:06
>> Yeah.
01:20:07
>> Yeah. Unfortunate.
01:20:08
>> Damn.
01:20:09
>> Uh, iPhone Air.
01:20:10
>> That happened. Big story happened. Big
01:20:12
story. And iPhone air getting
01:20:14
discontinued
01:20:15
>> allegedly.
01:20:16
>> Allegedly. Wow. Uh, liquid ass, of
01:20:18
course.
01:20:18
>> Yeah.
01:20:19
>> An orange iPhone.
01:20:20
>> That might be the story. That might be
01:20:21
cool.
01:20:22
>> What? Liquid Glass.
01:20:23
>> Yeah, it's one of them.
01:20:25
>> Yeah. Well, there was also the Jimmy
01:20:26
Fallon Pixel 10 event.
01:20:27
>> That's the one.
01:20:33
>> Meta AI glasses part part two or three,
01:20:36
whatever.
01:20:37
>> Uh, humanoid robots coming back. Didn't
01:20:39
see that coming.
01:20:39
>> Oh, that was a lot. Yeah.
01:20:41
>> Steam Machine and Steam Frame announced,
01:20:43
which everyone yelled at me because they
01:20:44
said people were actually excited for
01:20:45
the Steam Frame. Oh, the frame. Yeah, I
01:20:47
think people are excited for the frame.
01:20:49
I don't care that much, but I'm excited
01:20:51
for the Steam machine.
01:20:52
>> I had a lot of Normies hit me up and say
01:20:53
they were stoked on the Steam machine.
01:20:55
It was kind of surprising.
01:20:56
>> Um,
01:20:56
>> I think kind of surprising kind of
01:20:58
surprising that normies care about Steam
01:21:01
hardware. Really?
01:21:02
>> Yes.
01:21:05
>> Yeah. Yeah.
01:21:06
>> Was I not just saying this?
01:21:09
>> Elliot's grandma has never heard of
01:21:10
Steam Machine or the Steam Deck. Aneot,
01:21:13
he's in our Discord server. Oh, sorry,
01:21:16
dude.
01:21:16
>> He's the guy whose grandma thought that
01:21:18
the fold was AI.
01:21:20
>> Yeah,
01:21:21
>> someone doesn't watch the video.
01:21:24
>> Uh, airdrop coming to Android.
01:21:27
>> Come on.
01:21:27
>> I think that might have been one of the
01:21:28
big Titanic news.
01:21:30
>> Yeah,
01:21:30
>> we'd know more about it if they got
01:21:32
Jimmy Fallon to announce it.
01:21:34
>> Xiaomi 17 Pro Max.
01:21:36
>> That did happen.
01:21:37
>> I don't think I pronounced that
01:21:38
correctly. Xiaomi.
01:21:39
>> Xiaomi.
01:21:39
>> Xiaomi.
01:21:39
>> Xiaomi. Uh, the Xiaomi Sue 7. That
01:21:42
happened this year. Wait, I I I'm pretty
01:21:44
sure it's SU7. So, I made a SUE7 joke
01:21:47
once around the office and and no one
01:21:49
has referred to it as the SU7. So,
01:21:51
that's why
01:21:52
>> it's the SU7. It's so perfect.
01:21:53
>> I mean I mean I'm sure it's not
01:21:55
pronounced that way in every market, but
01:21:57
it's literally SU7. Like, how else would
01:21:58
you pronounce it? Maybe you're not
01:22:00
supposed to ever pronounce it
01:22:01
>> SU7,
01:22:01
>> but I naturally just started saying Sue.
01:22:03
So,
01:22:04
>> yeah.
01:22:04
>> Sus.
01:22:05
>> Or was it today's episode with the
01:22:07
trifold? Is that the story of the
01:22:09
>> trifold is pretty crazy. No,
01:22:10
>> no,
01:22:11
>> I I like the story of the top three. I
01:22:13
have a Mount Rushmore guy.
01:22:14
>> I have a top.
01:22:14
>> I'll take that. I'll take that.
01:22:15
>> I have a Mount Rushmore for this year.
01:22:16
>> There are four heads on Mount Rushmore.
01:22:18
>> Yes, I have a top four. I was adjusting.
01:22:20
Sorry. I had three and now I have four.
01:22:21
So, I have a Mount Rushmore for this
01:22:22
year.
01:22:22
>> The last one, George Washington.
01:22:25
>> My Mount Rushmore for Waveform and for
01:22:27
Stories of 2025. Number one
01:22:31
is
01:22:33
liquid glass.
01:22:34
>> Okay.
01:22:35
>> Okay.
01:22:35
>> Yeah,
01:22:35
>> it's liquid glass. Not even necessarily
01:22:37
number one. It's just on the mountain.
01:22:38
Yeah. Liquid glass. Yeah.
01:22:39
>> Number two, live at South by Southwest.
01:22:42
>> Oh,
01:22:42
>> I have to throw that on the M rush mark.
01:22:44
That was pretty bomb.
01:22:45
>> Pretty bomb.
01:22:46
>> Number three, Sue7.
01:22:48
>> Sue Seven.
01:22:50
>> I didn't even do that.
01:22:51
>> Let's kick it off.
01:22:51
>> We're too old for this, dude. Shouldn't
01:22:53
be.
01:22:54
>> And number four,
01:22:56
>> let's throw uh let's throw Meta AI
01:22:59
glasses on there.
01:23:00
>> Hot take.
01:23:01
>> I think that was really interesting.
01:23:02
Switch two did kind of make a repeating
01:23:05
I could make an argument for that.
01:23:07
>> All right, throw switch two on there.
01:23:08
Switch two is in there over the meta AI
01:23:10
glasses goodness.
01:23:11
>> But I did find uh I got more people
01:23:14
asking me in real life about the AI
01:23:16
glasses.
01:23:17
>> I'm not going to do a Mount Rushmore,
01:23:19
but I think the cool
01:23:22
circle thing is we got Project Muhan in
01:23:25
like January
01:23:27
and we went to that event and they like
01:23:30
teased the trifold in that little uh
01:23:33
like timeline and we got it right at the
01:23:35
end of the year. Yeah.
01:23:36
>> Which is kind of cool. just barely
01:23:37
slipped it in by the end. Yeah,
01:23:38
>> it's sick.
01:23:39
>> I think that, you know, Liquid S um
01:23:42
being such a like a story that was just
01:23:44
so prevalent throughout the entire year.
01:23:46
Like people have still are talking about
01:23:49
this and and now a lot of the normies
01:23:52
are updating their phones
01:23:54
>> and they're all like, "What the is
01:23:55
this?" Uh nobody likes it. Notably, a
01:23:59
lot of the Apple executives have moved
01:24:01
on to other companies. the design chief
01:24:04
that made Liquid Glass left for Meta.
01:24:06
So, he's going to make, you know,
01:24:08
everything over there is going to be
01:24:09
horrible now,
01:24:11
>> even worse than it already is. So,
01:24:14
>> I feel like Yeah, I feel like Liquid
01:24:15
Glass has been the most like it's been a
01:24:19
story all year,
01:24:21
>> you know? I mean, we It got announced in
01:24:23
June of
01:24:24
>> Was that this year? No, last year. No,
01:24:26
this year.
01:24:27
>> No, this year. This summer. This year.
01:24:29
>> They showed it off this summer. this
01:24:31
they showed it off this summer coming to
01:24:33
an iPhone near you and now it's coming
01:24:35
to everything
01:24:36
>> maybe but we're going to change it a few
01:24:37
times.
01:24:37
>> Yeah. So, and considering all the other
01:24:40
companies like copied liquid glass and
01:24:42
to for their UIs in China, I would say
01:24:45
that's one one of the big ones. I do
01:24:47
have a sorry I can't say this, I guess.
01:24:51
Um
01:24:53
what
01:24:54
I'll just bleep it.
01:24:58
Yeah. So
01:25:05
>> complete is still going. Don't worry.
01:25:06
>> Just leave it.
01:25:13
>> When tech got like banned for the night.
01:25:17
>> That's so true. Right. Good one.
01:25:21
I forgot about that. I do too.
01:25:23
>> They're like, "Wow, I can picture."
01:25:24
>> And you had
01:25:28
And then we started scrolling like no
01:25:30
like I know this is a finite scroll
01:25:32
right now. Like that's
01:25:34
>> damn that did happen.
01:25:35
>> I remember reaching the end
01:25:37
>> crashed and I was like oh my god
01:25:39
>> that was January.
01:25:39
>> I remember walking out of a bar with
01:25:42
like my friend and he opens his phone
01:25:43
and he goes, "Oh my god."
01:25:46
>> Tik Tok is gone.
01:25:48
>> Yeah. It was like a
01:25:49
>> Yeah. It kind of staggered because I
01:25:50
remember I was still scrolling but my
01:25:52
friend stopped scrolling so they came
01:25:53
over and watched me scroll for a little
01:25:55
bit. January. Yeah, that was January.
01:25:57
>> Give me my dopamine.
01:25:58
>> All the the video content was like this
01:26:01
could be gone.
01:26:02
>> It was basically people saying like
01:26:03
goodbye and where else to find me.
01:26:06
>> Yeah.
01:26:06
>> Yeah. On Red Note
01:26:08
>> and then
01:26:11
>> I forgot about that.
01:26:13
>> 12 hours later it was back.
01:26:14
>> It was all back. Yeah. The next day
01:26:16
scrolling.
01:26:16
>> Did it cross any of your minds? Because
01:26:18
it crossed my mind cuz I'm like logged
01:26:19
into TikTok and you know all that stuff
01:26:21
on on my phone for like the Waveform
01:26:22
podcast. Did it cross your minds that we
01:26:25
should say goodbye
01:26:26
>> on Tik Tok?
01:26:27
>> On Tik Tok? No, it didn't cross.
01:26:29
>> We're not like Tik Tok native. I think
01:26:31
it was the Tik Tok creators, those who
01:26:33
have no other channels anywhere who are
01:26:35
like I need to like take these people
01:26:37
with me somewhere. Like the panic in the
01:26:40
strategy of I'm just going to spam like
01:26:41
please go follow me on Instagram now was
01:26:43
very real.
01:26:44
>> We have a a diversified audience on a
01:26:47
couple platforms. Our Tik Tok going away
01:26:49
would kind of suck but wouldn't be the
01:26:51
end of the world. So we didn't feel it
01:26:52
need to say goodbye. Yeah, but it would
01:26:54
have been pretty wild if it went away.
01:26:56
>> Yeah. Do a Lipa interviewing Tim Cook
01:26:58
was last year, right?
01:27:00
>> Yeah.
01:27:01
>> I guess that won't be on my
01:27:03
>> I would have made it.
01:27:04
>> That's on my Mount Rushmore period.
01:27:07
>> This year I interviewed Tim Cook and he
01:27:08
just didn't answer any of the questions.
01:27:10
>> So
01:27:11
>> that was this year.
01:27:12
>> Yeah.
01:27:12
>> Oh my god.
01:27:13
>> Really? I was like, "You want to do a
01:27:14
blind ranking of some Apple stuff?" And
01:27:15
he was like, "What's that?" I was like,
01:27:17
"This is not going to work."
01:27:20
>> The magic mouse. Yeah.
01:27:23
>> Yeah.
01:27:24
>> I forget.
01:27:25
>> That moment is on my Mount Rushmore this
01:27:27
year.
01:27:27
>> Yeah.
01:27:28
>> Where I could see the clip as it was
01:27:30
happening.
01:27:33
>> The ergonomics.
01:27:34
>> Ergonomics.
01:27:35
>> Yeah. This year just felt like a bunch
01:27:37
of nonsense to me. I don't know. Like
01:27:39
>> I It's hard for me to make my Mount
01:27:41
Rushmore, you know? I like like Samsung
01:27:43
put out some really great stuff.
01:27:45
>> Orange iPhone was great. You know,
01:27:47
>> what did Samsung put out was good?
01:27:49
They're trying. Well, we don't know if
01:27:50
it's good yet, but they did it. You
01:27:52
know, they said they said they were
01:27:53
going to do it and they then they did
01:27:55
it. They did Android XR goggles, too.
01:27:58
>> Yeah. You know, even even Meta said they
01:28:01
were going to do a thing
01:28:02
>> and they did it.
01:28:02
>> I have a hot take.
01:28:03
>> They also
01:28:05
>> It's cooking.
01:28:06
>> Yeah. Honestly. Honestly, my Mount
01:28:08
Rushmore is all of the unsealed
01:28:10
documents from the Meta lawsuit that Roy
01:28:13
has reported on. I don't know if there's
01:28:14
four of them, but man, like
01:28:16
>> there's definitely at least four.
01:28:17
>> That's good.
01:28:17
>> Yeah. Um
01:28:18
>> Yeah. And the Nintendo Switch 2.
01:28:20
>> And the Nintendo Switch 2, a device I
01:28:22
don't own and I've never played.
01:28:24
>> Yeah.
01:28:24
>> But it there was a lot of hype for a lot
01:28:26
of months.
01:28:27
>> Marquez, what's your hot take? We're
01:28:28
also going to start the next year with
01:28:31
predictions again, but we will do that
01:28:32
next episode in a couple weeks. But
01:28:35
>> next, the week that
01:28:36
>> Oh, yeah. You're right.
01:28:38
>> That's regularly scheduled.
01:28:39
>> Yeah. In the new year.
01:28:40
>> I was just going to say Samsung ships a
01:28:43
car in three years.
01:28:44
>> Whoa.
01:28:44
>> Whoa. Where did that come from? What?
01:28:46
Oh,
01:28:47
>> Xiaomi just shipped a car.
01:28:48
>> Do you know something we don't?
01:28:49
>> Yeah, but Xiaomi is Chinese.
01:28:51
>> Yeah.
01:28:51
>> And China like pumps money into car
01:28:54
companies.
01:28:54
>> Yeah. Samsung's going to show up.
01:28:56
>> Samsung like owns
01:28:57
>> They're also going to like collab. Yeah.
01:28:59
They have a lot of funding
01:29:00
>> and they're they're going to collab.
01:29:02
They're going to scrap a bunch of stuff
01:29:03
together, a bunch of metal, a bunch of
01:29:05
collaborative companies, and they're
01:29:06
going to make a car.
01:29:06
>> Do they're just going to collab with
01:29:07
Kia?
01:29:09
>> Yeah, pick insert Korean. Yeah, sure.
01:29:12
>> Yeah, but it'll have a Samsung logo
01:29:14
somewhere in there. Samsung sold their
01:29:17
car division to Renault a bunch of years
01:29:19
ago and it got rebranded to just Renault
01:29:22
Korea. They still have a minority stake
01:29:23
in it, but it seems like Samsung's auto
01:29:25
business
01:29:26
>> is now mostly a Renault thing and Gily
01:29:29
also has a minority stake in it.
01:29:31
>> Did the twerking hamster in the uh did
01:29:34
that happen this year?
01:29:35
>> No, that was last year.
01:29:36
>> Really?
01:29:36
>> I think that might have been two years
01:29:37
ago. I think that might have been two
01:29:39
years ago.
01:29:39
>> Bring it.
01:29:40
>> That would have been on my Rushmore for
01:29:41
me for sure. You know, I'm really hoping
01:29:44
I'm really hoping I get one more trivia
01:29:47
point this year. It's been so long since
01:29:49
I got a point in trivia. It might have
01:29:50
been before Thanksgiving last.
01:29:52
>> Might have been when the Corgi was
01:29:54
twerking on the mini group.
01:29:55
>> That's true.
01:29:56
>> So, uh I say we do the trivia.
01:29:59
>> Trivia, dude.
01:30:01
>> Trivia, dude.
01:30:02
>> But first, Ellis has
01:30:04
>> It's What's Okay,
01:30:06
>> it's us.
01:30:08
>> Sorry, Ellis was just shaking the
01:30:10
shaking. You're holding a computer with
01:30:12
two hands, Marquez. Wait, where'd your
01:30:15
computer go?
01:30:15
>> It's in my hand.
01:30:16
>> All I see is a phone.
01:30:17
>> It's in my pocket now.
01:30:18
>> Where' you?
01:30:19
>> Sorry. Sorry.
01:30:21
>> It's time for Ellis to eat the bomb,
01:30:23
>> guys. Okay, so as promised at the
01:30:25
beginning of the year,
01:30:26
>> um I said live translation
01:30:28
>> wasn't going to be a thing because every
01:30:31
tech company had been announcing it
01:30:32
every year for the past decade. And lo
01:30:35
and behold, the year I place my bet is
01:30:37
the year it all comes out. And so, as
01:30:40
promised,
01:30:41
>> I will be doing the bomb on a spoon. I
01:30:45
have with me some aids, a glass of milk,
01:30:47
some extra toasty Cheezits, and string
01:30:49
cheese. This is just what I ran and got
01:30:51
from the
01:30:52
>> save you.
01:30:53
>> There's some solidified stuff at the
01:30:55
top. So, I'm just going to get get that
01:30:56
out of the way because I feel like
01:30:57
that's going to be extra concentrated.
01:31:01
>> My heart is like already racing.
01:31:04
>> I'm nervous for you.
01:31:05
>> I've had to bomb before. Have I had it
01:31:07
raw on an empty stomach?
01:31:09
No, it's like maybe an ulcer
01:31:12
>> probably.
01:31:14
>> It smells horrible.
01:31:16
>> It smells like battery acid.
01:31:18
>> Yeah, it tastes like I'll just let you
01:31:20
experience it.
01:31:21
>> You know what battery acid tastes like?
01:31:22
>> It tastes like what you imagine battery
01:31:24
acid tastes like. I don't have to taste
01:31:25
battery acid to tell people this tastes
01:31:27
like battery acid. You know,
01:31:29
>> fair enough.
01:31:29
>> Okay, just
01:31:30
>> that is a whole dab.
01:31:32
>> Ladies and gentlemen, Ellis is being
01:31:33
very brave right now. I was worried.
01:31:35
>> I'm worried. I'm worried. I'm gonna Am I
01:31:38
allowed to Am I allowed to to coat my
01:31:39
palette with cheese at first? Not going
01:31:41
to save you, bro. It's not going to
01:31:42
help.
01:31:42
>> Is there anything Okay, I need like a
01:31:44
safe word for you. Like, is there
01:31:46
something where like if you actually
01:31:47
need
01:31:48
>> once he does
01:31:49
>> I don't know what am I supposed to do if
01:31:51
you like are going to die.
01:31:52
>> They don't come after 7:00 p.m.
01:31:53
>> Yeah.
01:31:54
>> So, I'm nervous.
01:31:56
>> I will say I am a spicy food expert.
01:32:00
>> And something I do know about spicy food
01:32:02
is that the trick is small bites and
01:32:05
that is impossible on a spoon. So, I'm
01:32:07
just going to touch this chopstick to my
01:32:08
tongue a few times as a ramp up and then
01:32:10
we're going to dive in.
01:32:11
>> No, the trick is a glass of water.
01:32:13
>> I apologize. I never apologize. That was
01:32:14
the whole thing. I never apologize.
01:32:16
Computer programmers of the world,
01:32:17
software developers, machine learning
01:32:19
engineers, AI venture capitalists,
01:32:23
Apple, Google, Microsoft executives, Mag
01:32:25
7 employees.
01:32:28
I'm sorry. I thought y'all were full of
01:32:32
I thought y'all were mad full of and
01:32:34
taking billions of dollars from people
01:32:36
who were also full of to sell people
01:32:39
stuff that didn't work. And uh I still
01:32:41
think that's what's going on.
01:32:42
>> Welcome to America.
01:32:43
>> I was wrong.
01:32:45
>> Um and now I'm going to pay the price.
01:32:47
So let's get a little warm-up going.
01:32:49
>> Do it.
01:32:50
>> It doesn't work that way. It's just like
01:32:52
getting stabbed by a thousand tiny
01:32:54
knives, basically.
01:32:55
>> I thought I was smart.
01:32:57
>> Yeah, baby.
01:32:58
>> Yeah. All right, give him the first
01:33:00
question.
01:33:00
>> Did you do it?
01:33:01
>> No.
01:33:02
>> You should prepare exactly what you plan
01:33:03
to say because I know it's going to be
01:33:05
hard to
01:33:05
>> You can back out, Ellis.
01:33:06
>> No.
01:33:07
>> Out of my word. Thank you, Marquez.
01:33:09
>> You're in.
01:33:12
>> I wrote down the answer already.
01:33:13
>> Mhm.
01:33:13
>> Oh, I forget the question. What was it?
01:33:16
Oh, you're going to say it. Is that the
01:33:18
whole amount?
01:33:19
>> Yep.
01:33:20
>> It's enough.
01:33:21
>> He did it.
01:33:22
>> Oh,
01:33:22
>> he took a spoonful.
01:33:26
>> Careful around the eyes.
01:33:27
>> Marcus Brownley. Andrew Mangadelli.
01:33:29
>> Mhm. Yeah.
01:33:29
>> David Mill.
01:33:30
>> It gets worse when you talk.
01:33:31
>> Oh yeah.
01:33:32
>> Yep.
01:33:33
>> What three letters represent both a
01:33:36
Chinese tech conglomerate?
01:33:40
>> No.
01:33:42
Chinese tech conglomerate and an
01:33:43
American blues guitar legend.
01:33:47
>> I
01:33:50
don't usually do trivia from here. I can
01:33:52
see Marquez's board. I was never going
01:33:54
to guess that, so I'm just not going to
01:33:56
guess.
01:33:57
>> Damn. I'm so sorry.
01:33:58
>> I've We've never done this before.
01:34:02
>> Alice is at the big table and Andrew is
01:34:04
next to me at the producers table, which
01:34:06
has a great view of Marquez's board. So,
01:34:08
that didn't work out.
01:34:08
>> Didn't think about that one.
01:34:10
>> I kind of thought that bomb was going to
01:34:11
be like too old, but uh
01:34:14
>> Oh, it did say refrigerate after and it
01:34:16
has been on our table unrefrigerated for
01:34:18
like two years.
01:34:20
>> It seems like it's getting in pretty
01:34:21
good though.
01:34:22
>> Okay,
01:34:24
Marquez, what did you put? I put EC L.
01:34:28
>> And what American Blues legend has got
01:34:29
the initials up?
01:34:32
>> She's going for the middle. He's going
01:34:34
for the middle.
01:34:35
>> I don't know. Tom Core.
01:34:38
>> I don't know. I hadn't thought that far
01:34:40
ahead.
01:34:49
>> David, what' you put?
01:34:50
>> I put BBK.
01:34:51
>> Okay, that's right.
01:34:53
>> David, what's the point? What?
01:34:57
>> Jeez.
01:34:57
>> What? What? Blues guitar legend.
01:34:59
>> BB King.
01:35:00
>> BB King is correct.
01:35:02
>> Good job.
01:35:03
>> Thanks.
01:35:04
>> Can you play the after dark music or
01:35:05
something?
01:35:12
>> Wave for
01:35:13
>> Yeah, baby.
01:35:15
>> I'm ready for the next one.
01:35:18
>> Next question.
01:35:19
>> Okay. What is the Scoville rating of the
01:35:22
bomb that Ellis just inhaled?
01:35:25
>> And it's Delta.
01:35:28
>> Answer.
01:35:29
>> I don't know.
01:35:29
>> He's not gonna answer because he saw
01:35:30
Marquez's board.
01:35:31
>> Oh, and I had no answer.
01:35:33
>> Actually, I'm I'm changing.
01:35:35
>> We're Are we doing Prices, right, or
01:35:38
Delta?
01:35:39
>> Oh, we are doing Delta. Okay, cool.
01:35:42
>> I prefer United. Just kidding. I don't.
01:35:46
>> Um,
01:35:47
>> all right. We're good.
01:35:49
Okay.
01:35:53
>> Wait, real quick before we flip.
01:35:54
>> Am I wrong?
01:35:55
>> Quick update on the score. Oh,
01:35:57
>> Marquez has 10. David, after that
01:35:59
correct question, well, after that
01:36:01
correct answer with 12, Andrew with 14.
01:36:04
>> I need more.
01:36:04
>> All right, flip him and read. What do
01:36:06
you got?
01:36:06
>> Please be
01:36:07
>> Oh my goodness.
01:36:08
>> Andrew, what' you say?
01:36:09
>> Big range.
01:36:10
>> 2.3 million.
01:36:12
>> Marquez.
01:36:13
>> 835,000.
01:36:16
David,
01:36:16
>> how do I 35,000
01:36:19
minutes? Uh, 10,000.
01:36:23
>> Y'all really going to make me do some
01:36:24
crazy math?
01:36:25
>> Yeah.
01:36:26
>> Is it like 1 point something?
01:36:27
>> It's 135K.
01:36:29
>> That's what I wrote the first time.
01:36:30
>> So, Marquez is closest.
01:36:32
>> Wait, wait, wait, wait.
01:36:33
>> No, I'm further. Wait, no. David's
01:36:35
closest.
01:36:37
>> You can even kind of see it. I wrote I
01:36:38
thought it was 135,000 and I was right
01:36:41
and then I erased it and wrote 835,000.
01:36:45
>> Well, I doubted myself. I almost nailed
01:36:47
it.
01:36:48
>> Never doubt yourself, Marquez. Never
01:36:49
doubt yourself.
01:36:50
>> It's going to be a whole year before I
01:36:51
get a point.
01:36:53
>> This is tough.
01:36:54
>> All right, Ellis, how are you doing over
01:36:55
there?
01:36:56
>> Uh, actually pretty good. It's just my
01:36:58
lips at this point. I mean, I say that
01:36:59
and then I'm sure it's going to come
01:37:00
back. It also like
01:37:02
>> it will on the toilet later.
01:37:03
>> It somehow regardless is in my nose.
01:37:05
Didn't touch my nose.
01:37:08
But um
01:37:11
>> that's a wrap.
01:37:11
>> That's hot, man.
01:37:12
>> Congrats on on keeping it to your word.
01:37:15
Hopefully hopefully the bets that we
01:37:16
make next year are
01:37:18
>> No, I already know. Next year, none of
01:37:19
those humanoid robots are coming out.
01:37:22
And and if if one of them does, I'm
01:37:24
doing this again, baby.
01:37:25
>> I love it. Do it do two of them next
01:37:28
time.
01:37:28
>> If one of them comes out.
01:37:29
>> Okay, that's perfect. I like that.
01:37:31
That's a great place to end it.
01:37:32
>> The humanoid robot can serve you the
01:37:34
spoonful of last. Yeah, that's actually
01:37:36
that's what we'll do if if one of these
01:37:38
humanoid robots actually comes out and
01:37:39
it actually works.
01:37:41
>> That robot can come on the show and
01:37:44
spoon me another
01:37:46
>> man
01:37:46
>> to bomb
01:37:47
>> from the same bottle. It
01:37:49
>> smells so bad even from here. Please
01:37:51
take us out. Thanks for watching. Thanks
01:37:53
for listening for all of 2025. Uh see
01:37:56
you on the other side. 2026 is going to
01:37:58
be sick.
01:37:58
>> Do it.
01:37:59
>> Except for next week's episode. We'll
01:38:00
also
01:38:01
>> one more bonus episode next week.
01:38:02
>> Yeah. Play After Dark 3.
01:38:04
>> There's a third one.
01:38:07
>> Waveform is produced by Adam Molina and
01:38:09
Ellis Roven. We're part of the Vox Media
01:38:11
Podcast Network.
01:38:13
>> We're uh uh Vain Still wrote the music.
01:38:15
This has been 2025 on Waveform. Let's
01:38:17
get it.
01:38:23
>> Whoops. Just fade to black.
01:38:32
All right, for this clip's outro, Ellis
01:38:35
is going to be taking another hit of the
01:38:36
bomb. Ellis, where'd you go?
