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We've all watched Hot Ones enough. We should >> Everyone but David has watched Hot Ones
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enough that we should >> The only Hot Ones episode I watched was the one where uh what's his name? Like
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>> You better be careful right there. >> Marquez has been on it twice.
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>> I think I watched that one. Wait, twice? I watched one. I didn't know you went on
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again. >> Unbelievable. >> I talked so much about you on that episode. That's crazy.
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>> He was like my good friend David. There was a whole section where Sean is like,
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"I heard you're friends with David." >> It was You should totally watch it,
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dude. It was so good. >> All right, that's cool. Keep it up. >> Yo, what's up people of the internet?
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Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm
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Marquez. >> I'm Andrew. >> And I'm David. And this week, we've got
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a regularly scheduled I said Ellis is going to >> I am going to interrupt you. That's
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right. Because >> and I'm wrong. Burgundy. And I'm interrupting you because
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>> this episode is not like normal episodes. Do you guys know why this is a
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very special episode? >> Is it because it's the last one this year? >> It is coincidentally the last episode of
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the year, but that's not what >> Lastly scheduled of the year. >> Yeah, but that's not what he means.
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>> Hit it, Rich. >> Oh, no. >> Guys, this episode is being taped at
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5:00 PM, which means this is the first ever episode of Oh, >> waveform after dark.
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>> After dark. >> Thank you, Rich. You can get the ticket. >> I was wondering why Rich is here. I was
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like, this is a long clip for um >> that was it. >> Should we talk about why we're here at
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5:00 p.m.? >> Yes, we should. >> Transition. Okay, so uh today I got to
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finally get some hands-on time with this thing right here, which is the Samsung Galaxy Z Trifold.
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Uh this morning we went into the city, got some info from Samsung on what it was about and got to shoot some footage
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of it and then we got back to the studio and the one that I bought from Korea had
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also arrived the same day and that is this one right here. So how much did it cost you from Korea? Do you know how
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much it cost? So I'm going to get my invoice later. Um, so I don't actually
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know, but I hear it's somewhere between $2500 and $3,000. >> It's an expensive phone, but I, you
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know, I've watched other people's videos on it and I've seen photos of it and it
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looks like such a chunk and I keep thinking, oh, it's kind of a gimmick, like whatever, Samsung's doing the
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trifold thing. Uh, but it's obviously not going to be reasonable to use. And
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then I picked it up and held it and I used it with the screen closed, which is basically the same as the ZFold 7. And
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it's fine. And then I opened it and it's a whole tablet on the inside and I'm
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starting to think this is actually kind of a nice like a really nice phone this year. It's obviously super expensive,
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but um I'm holding up to the camera for the video viewers. This thing is a full
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diagonal 10-in tablet on the inside and I like it more than I thought I would. >> So, are we going to get rid of short
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form video now that we're going to be able to have landscapes in our pockets?
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No, because like you said, you you said this before. >> You can put >> You don't have to do that.
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>> You can put three short form videos across it and play it like a slot machine.
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>> Wait, can you actually >> It's literally short form slots, >> dude. And if you get all three screens
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showing the same short like before you page, then you win >> and you can't stop until that happens.
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>> Yeah. Instead of it being like a seven, a cherry, like three or four things,
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it's millions of videos that you have to get lined up. >> So yeah, you can do three things side by
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side. >> If you get all three videos being the same, then Neil Moahan has to step down
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and you become the CEO of YouTube. >> His name is Neil Bohan. Wait, not Moahan
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Station. >> Sorry, Neil. >> I love Moan Station. That's beautiful.
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So there's a couple quirks about this. Um I'll I'll go through. So the basic
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specs are actually kind of fine. and they're just like a a one-year-old flagship. Samsung is using the
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>> Snapdragon 8 Elite for Galaxy. So, not 8 Elite Gen 5, but 8 for Galaxy. The only
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spec is 512 gigs of storage and 16 gigs of RAM. So, that's pretty sweet. Uh the
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outside screen, like I said, is the exact same as ZFold 7. >> Wait, real quick. Is there a 1 TB
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version? >> Uh I thought on the Samsung Press mobile something. >> Uh maybe that's not coming to the US
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because I was told it's only one spec 512. Okay. There might be somewhere where you can get a one TB version.
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>> Oh, okay. Even better. Um, but yeah, the outside screen, the cover screen is just
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your classic uh 21 by what is it? 21 by9. I think it's a wide screen obviously. 2600 uh nits 120 hertz. Why
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am I It's hard to talk. I've been talking all day. It's been a long day.
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>> It's been a long day. Uh but then you open the phone. Oh, and the back has the
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cameras. Uh same as the ZFold 7 as well. So 200 megapixel primary and then an ultra wide and a 3x telephoto.
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>> So mid. Great. Okay. >> Yeah. Mid. But then you open it and it's
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like >> it's a tablet. >> It's it's all the things. You can watch
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full screen videos. You can game. You can have apps side by side and they're
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not actually cramped. >> That's huge. >> Yeah. >> Uh you can type on a full-size keyboard.
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You have decks all the time even without being connected to a monitor. Uh you can
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also connect it to a monitor, mouse and keyboard and use it as a second display.
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>> It's Can I ask a stupid question? >> Go for it. What does Dex not on a monitor even
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mean? Because isn't the whole point of Dex that it goes on Windows? >> It's just like it's just more computer
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like I guess but on the screen. Okay. >> No, that's a very valid question.
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>> Yeah. So, it's like full it's full screen apps that get >> what's a computer
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>> different like like if you're in the files app it'll show the full tree
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structure. >> Uh and then you can resize windows and you can keep them in certain areas. It's
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literally a desktop. >> Everything's computer. >> Everything's computer.
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>> It's just an iPad. Well, it's a Samsung Galaxy Tab. >> Yeah.
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>> Oh, wait. That's kind of >> So, I've got three windows open here.
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And then I go, you know what? I want to go to a new space. >> Whoa. >> And do three more windows and then move
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back. >> I'm going to say something real quick. Those creases are pretty rough right
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now. Those are not good. >> Pretty rough. >> So, the creases are rough. And
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>> it's like when it's kind of similar to the early generations of other phones
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with crease where when I'm looking at it and using it, the content is more than
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enough to distract me from the crease. But if I am analyzing the hardware, yeah, it's so obvious the creases, the
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creases are two different sizes because there are two different hinge ratios because the left side is the inside fold
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and the outside folds around the inside fold. So, it's even bigger. >> So, yeah, there is a lot going on with
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the hardware engineering, but uh I found that actually using the phone and just watching videos and like typing and
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emailing and all that stuff is really solid question. >> Yeah. Uh considering the square aspect
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ratio of a biffold is kind of lame uh for watching videos and doesn't really
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do anything for you >> in my humblest opinion. >> Um how much of a 16x9 video fits full
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screen on this? How much how many black borders? There's small black borders. So
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the whole thing wide open is 16 by 11. So, it's pretty close to like if you watch I don't know if you can find a 16
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by92 video, but uh our videos are 2 by1 and there's reasonable black bars, but
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it's way bigger than a slab. >> Uh and if you go Yeah. 16 by9 videos, you're even smaller black bars top and
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bottom. >> So, it's like it's most of the display though, you'd say?
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>> Yeah, >> it's pretty nice. Apps that use the whole screen like gaming or whatever.
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>> The split screen keyboard is literally there's no keyboard on the middle panel.
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>> That is so wide. Samsung's tablets do that, too. So, they just treat it like that, too. It makes
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sense. It's just really jarring to see a whole panel with nothing in it. >> Love the idea of like being on an
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airplane and being able to play like a PlayStation 2 game with a controller. Like, is that not
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>> Oh my god, that's >> Is that not awesome? God of War. >> Yeah.
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>> I'm I'm preemptively thinking about what the comments will be. Like, we just
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published our video, my hands on with it. I think one common concern or question that I have is like, "All
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right, I already have a tablet. Like, why is this better than a tablet?" >> It's not. It's just that it can fit in
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your pocket. Yeah, that's like the main >> like obviously if you already have a
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phone and a tablet, this isn't for you. But the person who wants to have a phone
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and a tablet, but take it in their pocket with them, >> this does that. >> I mean, you have to have a bag to carry
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a tablet with you basically. And you you don't with this >> with a 10-in screen. Yeah,
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>> that is pretty amazing. >> So, that's sweet. Um, it has a cellular
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connection all the time, which is nice for a tablet. It's thinner probably than
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the tablet you're thinking of. But the other thing is it's definitely a smaller
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battery than the tablet you're thinking of. Most 10-in tablets have like an 8,000 mAh battery roughly. Even
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Samsung's like S10, >> Tab S10 has a roughly 8,000 mAh battery. This has a 5,600 mAh battery. Uh, is
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that YouTube's desktop site? >> No, that's actually I'm trying to find a
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16 by9 video. So, that's your iPhone 5S review. Is that a 16 by9 video? >> I'm I was guessing we switched to 2x1
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when Brandon and Vin convinced us to in like 2018. So >> that's pretty good. And then you can
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enlarge it and then it's and that looks awesome. >> Looks pretty good.
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>> That's pretty Oh no, that's definitely cutting a lot off the sides when it's
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full screen. Full screen. It >> is when you full screen. But yeah. >> What is the IP rating of this range?
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>> 48. >> IP 48, which is also the same as the ZFold 7. So you can drop some water on
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it next to it around it. >> That's impressive for a Gen One. dust particle or like piece of sand being
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folded in not once but now twice. >> Probably that >> probably don't get dust.
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>> I'm concerned about that. That's going to be the uh longevity test for people
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that have this early. >> Yeah, I think this is fair to consider it a firstg product. Like it's a firstg
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trifold. So, it's firstg something. I think I I'll turn lock off. Rotation
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rock. Rotate rotation I turned I turned rotation lock off. >> I've said so many words today. Have you
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seen that trend that's been going around that's like uh it's on the TV and it
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goes rock sock, rock sock, box? I feel like you could not do that right now. >> I'd be very bad at it right now.
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>> Marquez, are you going to daily this? >> I've been thinking about it. You got it.
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I I imported it from Korea, so I'm not exactly sure what the banzer situation
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is going to be looking like. But on this on this phone, I think I would like to daily it. I think I can get my EIM in
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there and try it. It's pretty >> Oh, it's not landscape lock is not Oh,
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wait. Yes, it was. Hold on. Oh, >> almost didn't jail it cuz we almost just
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lost it. dropped it on the floor. >> The amount of products that we've like
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taken out the box and dropped on this podcast is like >> Lionus, watch out.
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>> All right, cool. Yeah, I'm I'm more of a fan than I expected to be. I really
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think there's a big difference between the onscreen presence and the inhand presence of this phone
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>> for sure. >> Which is so hard to convey in video because you're watching this on a
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screen. So, it's like it probably doesn't translate very well, but you'll
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have to take my word for it. I can't wait till there's another Chinese version of this, but it has uh better
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batteries and it's got like 12,000 millah or something. >> Seems like that's in route. I mean, are
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we talking about this later? But isn't there uh some more steam for this iPhone
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fold this year? >> Yeah, it's coming out next year. >> People think it's going to be like kind
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of a squat regular size phone and then it opens up to be wider than it is tall, >> which makes sense because the whole idea
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with all these square folds is you don't really get a ton out of a lot of media
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situations. Is that a new leak that just came out? >> I saw someone posting it, but it looks
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rumors >> so poorly like rendered it felt >> I just like glazed. >> So, it like opens up into like an iPad
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mini like turned on its side basically. >> Yeah, I think I saw somebody did a
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mockup of basically like imagine like the first gen Pixel fold like that sort of passport size, but then you open it
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and it's >> wider screen and that makes it better for watching videos on the inside,
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>> which I could see that being a highlight, you know, with this phone. >> Okay, question for you guys about this.
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>> Fast forward 10 years. >> Are we using smart glasses or are we using phone like this that unfold into
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like a giant tablet? >> This I mean we'll have smart glasses as well. >> You said 10 years or 5 years.
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>> I say 10 years. Let's do 10 years. >> I think that not everyone is going to if
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you're if you don't have a prescription, you'll use smart glasses as sunglasses.
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If you do have a prescription, people will start using smart glasses on the daily. But I don't think it's going to
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replace their phone. I think it's just going to be the Meta Ray-B band style.
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You know, it'll have a display. It'll give you notifications, but >> I don't know. I probably won't wear it
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cuz I have perfect vision. >> I think >> show off. I think there's like a a
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degree where like we're now that we we're we're hitting like max dopamine
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technology, you know, we're finding that like outside of video games and vertical
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video, like people don't really spend like that much time using tech. So I I
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think the value prop of a device that can't really do vertical video that well
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or game very well, like >> I don't know if people are going to wear No, no, smart glasses. Oh, smart glasses
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can't think though. But >> videos, >> I would argue smart glasses. That's kind
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of the point of it is it's just it's there when you need it and because it's
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so convenient that it's there the times you do need it and you don't have to
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pull something out of your pocket or it's just like >> right there. Fun fact, you
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>> I ain't trying to waste time pulling out of my pocket. I don't even I use
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wireless charging. I'm efficiency major right here. >> Wow. >> You can doom scroll Instagram reels on
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the meta. uh on the highway. That's right. >> Yeah. >> Oh god. >> That's one of their use cases. Yeah. I
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just looked it up. Um we went from not having any foldables to having foldables the way we have them now in about eight
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years. >> Mhm. >> Has it been that long? >> Like the ZFold one is 2019 and we had
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foldables for maybe a year or two before that. So like >> 2017 to 2025. And it's progressed so
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much that even this triplefolding, well, the trifold is thinner than the Zfold 5.
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>> It was that thick for that long, >> but when it's folded up, >> when it's folded up, it is thinner than
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the ZFold 5, but the ZFold 5 >> unfolded. It's thinner than the iPhone
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Air. We put it up to the to Brandon's thinner. >> The panels are three different sizes.
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Are they all smaller than Well, you know, as thin as its thickest point. >> Yeah, if you can't fit it through a
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slot. That is one of the interesting things about this phone is each one of these panels is a slightly different
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thickness. 3.9 mm on the left, 4.2 mm in the middle, 4.0 mm on the right >> to fit battery and USB type-C and, you
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know, speakers and all the things happening in this phone. Uh, that's just how it Yeah, they're all thinner than
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the iPhone Air. And then you fold it up and it's thinner than ZFold 1, 2, 3,
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four, and five. >> Kind of crazy. I think I just realized a very small mistake we made in the video.
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>> I cut that out. >> I'm thinking the same thing >> cuz you said the middle panel for USBC,
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but it's the middle panel when it's folded. When it's unfolded, it's the
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right panel. >> Yep. Oh god. >> I caught that and cut it out. >> Good. I Yeah, I never would have thought
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of that. >> Things a lot harder to describe when you have 3D space. >> Audio people are like, I don't
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understand what >> Yeah, audio people when you're unfolding it, they kind of looks
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>> I'm not doing that anymore. >> The phone's USBC port is on the bottom.
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uh when it is folded up. But because the bottom is actually the middle, >> the rightmost panel.
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>> Wait, never mind. >> It's the rightmost panel >> is the USB.
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>> It's the rightmost panel, which is the bottom when it's folded.
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>> What is >> You ever You ever bought like a like a fish from a fish monger? It kind of
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unfolds like that. Like like you lay it down, you go one, then two, and then you
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got your fish. I actually >> isn't there like is it on Reddit or something when you like retire a phrase
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because it perfectly hits like you found the perfect description for that. >> I think we can retire fingerprint magnet
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with this phone because lord the amount of fingerprints on the surface area of this phone.
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>> It's crazy. >> You got to wear gloves. >> It's like this black and gray carbon
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fiber mimicking fiberglass composite. It's smoothish. And I think it makes sense in here.
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Yeah. Because you have to make something smooth with a little bit of a bezel that
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you can then safely close the outside screen over. >> Yeah. >> Uh so no real texture, but yeah, very
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much a fingerprint magic. >> Did you get the kickstand case with it? >> Uh the case that comes with it is just a
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sort of a back spine and back cover case. >> So that's that's the Samsung case. It
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also comes with a 45 watt charger in the box. >> It's crazy. throw you a little bone for
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$3,000. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> That wobble is crazy. >> The wobble is wobbling down.
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>> I saw I mentioned it in the video. I got Every time I mention it, people are
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like, "Well, you put a case on it." Okay, so fine. So, you'll put a case on
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it, it'll be fine. But this is one of the biggest wobblers of all time. >> The case it comes with is thin enough.
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It's still going to wobble. It wobbles a lot less. It I tried it. I actually
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think that they thought about that when they made a case for this. >> They should bring back the bikini case
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for this. >> The bikini case was actually It was kind of iconic. It was iconic. Ellis doesn't
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remember it. Search Galaxy S8 bikini. >> Was it S8? >> Galaxy S8. >> Galaxy S8.
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>> Can I Can I hold it? >> I for one am excited for you to test this so that I can decide whether or not
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I definitely will not speak. >> I did it wrong and it yelled at me. >> Oh, I did want to see that. It yells. It
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vibrates at you. It vibrates strongly. >> Can I see that? I want >> So you
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>> can I break it? Is it bad? >> It's bad if you break it. >> Nothing's really happy. I mean, if you
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try to like smush it, you're probably not because >> No, you can do that. You can do it the
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wrong way. >> Yelling at me. >> No, it does. When the screen doesn't
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Yeah. >> Ah, stop. >> Okay. >> Yeah. It doesn't like it doesn't like
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it. It yells at you. >> But otherwise, yeah, very intuitive. >> Well, I'm excited to see whether or not
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you actually get value out of this. This is what I have considered like the dream
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device for a very, very long time. And uh if I could have something that I could just carry a little bit a little
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keyboard with me and a little mouse with me and I could just write on Google. All
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I want to do is write on Google Docs. >> That's all I want to do without having
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to carry a laptop. So if this can do that, I'm very happy. >> I just like that the Light Phone and
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this came out in the same year. >> Wow. Maximalist and minimalist. >> I I do maintain like the most fun I've
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ever had on a foldable is e-reading with one page on each side. And I don't know
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what that would be like >> cuz it looks like a real book. It feels like a real book.
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>> A real book couldn't even do this. >> Can this do three pages?
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>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Fourdimensional book right here. >> Yeah.
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>> Um Okay, great. >> So, yeah, that was our We have the Zfold in in-house for real for real on
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God_fal.mpp4. >> Last week's episode, we titled the Galaxy Zfold. The Galaxy Z trifold is
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here for real for real on God. >> Mhm. >> What are we supposed to title this
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week's episode? underscorefinal.mpp4. >> They like that. >> No, I think Yeah.
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>> All right, >> that title went hard last week. Also, >> CTR was fantastic.
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>> It was really Speaking of the things that you can do on the Galaxy Z Trifold,
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>> if there there is if if there was this new social media app coming out that is
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supposed to replace Twitter >> Mhm. >> you could run it on one of the three
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screens. >> Was that a Was that a segue? That's what I was trying to do.
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>> Oh, yeah. C plus. >> Yeah. >> What? >> I expect >> Come on. It was all right.
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>> All right. Was >> Segue Wordle last night. >> Yeah. >> Was last night. Last night.
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>> I think it was >> Segue. >> It's either Segue or Suede.
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>> Segue. >> I think I guessed to Suede first. >> Wow. >> Well, what is the social media app?
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>> All right. Let me tell you about this. >> Yeah. Okay. So, >> federated.
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>> No, it's not. And this is why I think it's point. This is why I'm like, if you're going to
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make a social media app in the future, just stop nonfederating them. Come on, guys. So, what is it? Okay, so a couple
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weeks ago, this startup popped up called Operation Bluebird. Um, and effectively
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what they're trying to do is get the Twitter name back because they are making the claim that X abandoned the
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Twitter name when they switched everything to X, >> which I would, you know, agree with. Um,
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I would disagree. >> Really, >> dude? >> I think they very hastily changed some
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things like the URL and the logo to X, but for a long time, pieces of the UI in the settings still said Twitter,
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>> but that was them being like lazy. >> I Yeah, I like agree with both of you. I
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think it is still everywhere and is still almost considered Twitter for the most part, but I think the owners of
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Twitter, >> they said, >> yeah, >> it's not Twitter anymore.
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>> And like they make fun of people for calling it Twitter still. And like
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>> Elon replied to you on X. You said, "I'm still calling it Twitter." And Elon
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said, "You won't." >> Yeah. Well, >> is that That's got to be used in the
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litigation, right? >> We're still calling it Twitter today. >> That's got to be used in litigation.
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Yeah. Anyway, so last week they filed a petition to the US Patent Office to cancel X's ownership of the trademarks
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for Twitter and tweet. >> Trademark. >> Yeah. Trademark. Uh because X had made
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it clear that they didn't have any intention to use the Twitter name anymore.
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>> Okay. Right. Um, X has now sued them, which they didn't need to do. They could
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have just filed a motion to cancel the trademark infringe the trademark cancellation.
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>> I'm sorry, what's X? You keep saying X. >> Okay, here's another problem. When I'm
00:21:26
trying to Google something on the X platform, it's impossible cuz you just write X in Google after and it nothing
00:21:32
comes up. Twitter doesn't come up. >> I'm trying to search Twitter and you're
00:21:35
using like space X. >> Yeah, it doesn't do anything. SpaceX.com. Does that work?
00:21:40
>> You could probably do space. ASAX is a different company. >> Look what you look what happened.
00:21:46
>> Yeah, >> it's bad. >> Yeah. >> Uh anyway, they're suing trying to stop
00:21:50
them from doing this. They're arguing that as of December 14th, more than 4 million users came to X by typing in
00:21:57
twitter.com. >> I'm one of I am one of them, too. >> Everyone has all the users.
00:22:03
>> This is so frustrating cuz I want to stick it to the man and call it Twitter,
00:22:06
but I'm actually >> on the platform. You want them to lose the >> Yeah. I I want them to get and I'm I'm
00:22:14
helping them not do that. >> I mean, they were big about changing it to X, so you know, commit. You know,
00:22:18
this is such a weird thing because like if you even if you like if I own a trademark or whatever and I stop using
00:22:25
it, >> Yeah. >> that doesn't mean people immediately sue me to cancel my ownership of
00:22:31
>> If you have no intention to use it in the future, then they can file to cancel
00:22:36
your ownership. >> Interesting. So, it's up to them to determine if I intend to use it in the
00:22:39
future or not. >> It's like the guy who got lambo.com. >> Yeah. Actually,
00:22:44
>> that's actually a lot like that. Wow. Yes. >> How long has it been called X?
00:22:49
>> I think since 2021, right? >> No, no, no. It was after I started working here.
00:22:54
>> 2022. >> I think it was 2023 when I went down. >> Oh, wow. Okay.
00:22:58
>> Well, anyway, uh this Bluebird startup has this site called twitter.new up
00:23:04
right now where you can sign up. you can reserve your handle in case they ever actually do get the Twitter name.
00:23:12
>> That's brutal. >> Right now, they don't have it. So, it's
00:23:14
kind of a if we do, >> um I just don't think that they're ever going to make it be able to be exactly
00:23:20
like old Twitter was unless they literally copied the source code. And the reason that old Twitter was able to
00:23:25
be old Twitter was because Jack Dorsey did not care about it making money. That's the only reason that it was the
00:23:31
way it was for so long. >> I don't know if he didn't care about it.
00:23:34
He just wasn't good at it. Well, he had like No, I mean he had like majority
00:23:38
ownership and like he didn't have to he didn't have to like go by the whims of
00:23:43
some investors, you know, to try to like inshitify it. >> Well, until he sold it.
00:23:47
>> Yeah. >> And then he Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. I there I will say that there will
00:23:56
never be another OG Twitter. Like that was an error that came and went and now there are things that are trying to be
00:24:01
it and it's not going to happen again. >> It's not going to happen again. And it's
00:24:03
almost cringey that this new startup is trying to be the new Twitter. Like I don't really think that's a good goal to
00:24:09
have, but >> I just got Elon Musk on Twitter. >> Oh my god. I take it back. I take it
00:24:15
back. >> You reserved it >> and it said nobody had already reserved it.
00:24:18
>> That's insane. >> This is one of those things where >> the Twitter new thing is it's like I
00:24:23
don't care. This is stupid. But it's really funny to watch X like squirm a
00:24:29
bit and be like no, no, just kidding. We do really want it. Even though we told everyone we don't,
00:24:33
>> I still use twitter.com to go to X. >> Oh, yeah. So do I. So >> yeah, there's just too many there's too
00:24:39
many microcasms of the internet at this point and being able to have like one central social social media site where
00:24:45
things are happening is just not possible anymore, >> isn't it? I think you mean microcosm.
00:24:50
>> I think you mean microcontrast for >> Yeah, they don't know that reference
00:24:55
yet. >> Oh yeah, that'll be next week. That's funny. Yeah, I Yeah. Well, I don't know.
00:25:00
They're going to try, but I kind of think that we're just going to keep using Yeah. the things we use.
00:25:04
>> Which Which way do you think that they're going to rule? What's your
00:25:07
prediction? >> Ruling. >> What's your prediction? >> Um, I think because twitter.com still
00:25:11
links to x.com, they'll probably go, "Oh, well, seems like that's still in
00:25:14
use." >> That might be enough. >> But I'm not a lawyer, so legal advice,
00:25:19
but I'm not a rapper. >> That's funny. All right. Well, let's take a quick break. When we come back,
00:25:23
we still got more to talk about. End of the year type news. Uh, but before we take a break,
00:25:26
>> yes, >> trivia time, >> guys. Let's get the energy up. Come on.
00:25:31
>> It's 5:00 p.m. >> I know. It's 5:30. It's 6 p.m. >> We got to We got to get hype. Uh before
00:25:36
I do trivia, I just need to issue a correction from last week because last week I got mad and called out a uh
00:25:46
a a company that sort of sounds like buy mommy for raising the price on my domain. And that doesn't sound like
00:25:52
>> this is really embarrassing. Um because a very nice fan wrote to me who runs a
00:25:57
website called domain details which posts helpful information and stuff about websites and whatnot. And he
00:26:04
explained to me that uh it actually wasn't GoDaddy that raised the price. It
00:26:08
was the registry which is really embarrassing. >> Donuts inc. >> Uh I don't know who does Vin Donuts is
00:26:14
the big one. Yeah, it's pretty embarrassing because we did like three hours of podcasts on how this all works
00:26:19
and I still got it wrong. And if you want to know what a domain registry is, you can go to domain details.com or
00:26:25
listen to our two-part series on how the internet works. >> Yeah. >> Uh David and I and Adam go to Virginia.
00:26:33
>> We did. We shared two beds with three people. >> Yes. And they did have an indoor pool.
00:26:38
>> Watch the episode to find out. >> It's really weird. You all slept in the
00:26:41
same bed. >> Two of us did. And if you want to find out which two of us slept in the same
00:26:45
bed, you'll have to go and listen to the episode. >> Yeah, we had two beds for three people
00:26:49
and we only used one. >> I mean, this is way for me after dark. So, >> yeah, that's true. Wait for dark. Okay,
00:26:55
guys. >> Next, we're going to kiss in the vision pro. >> Uh, anyway,
00:27:03
>> 6 p.m. What's the question? >> All of it. All of it's making it.
00:27:08
>> Come on. I love it. What three letters represent both a Chinese tech conglomerate and the
00:27:16
initials of an American blues legend? >> I'm going to write down what I think it
00:27:21
is. >> The blues legend. It's their initials. >> Mhm. >> It's the initials of their stage name,
00:27:26
not their birth name. >> I did not know that. >> Conglomerate >> or company.
00:27:37
>> Is that going to help us at all? >> It would. Okay. >> It would cuz I know
00:27:41
>> I feel like I feel like if I tell you which one I mean I did already say
00:27:45
>> you said conglomerate. >> Yeah. But that might you know that kind
00:27:48
of makes it a little easy. >> What? But that's the question. >> That's just the question.
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>> Waveform after dark. >> Whose voice is that? >> It's always Ellis's voice.
00:30:08
>> I like the like the tone at the end like it's nice. Bravo. >> Is that the PS3 startup music? What
00:30:18
>> what do you think I'm doing in the audio room all day, man? >> Valid
00:30:21
>> making that. >> All right. So, Instagram launched a new app. >> Yeah, but only it's for TV, but it's not
00:30:28
Instagram TV, >> correct? >> It's for Fire TV. >> Fire TV.
00:30:31
>> So, I'm assuming this just lets me doom scroll my TV now. >> Yes.
00:30:35
>> Sick. >> I've been waiting for that. >> But worse, >> you know what's crazy? I have the
00:30:41
YouTube app on my Samsung TV at home and you can doom scroll shorts on it and I've done it.
00:30:47
>> That's all. >> No, me too. >> Wait, do you do did you do it on
00:30:50
purpose? >> No. >> Well, I didn't enter the carousel on purpose, but once I entered the
00:30:54
carousel, I was like, I wonder if I can Oh, no. Hold on. >> And you're like,
00:30:58
>> yeah, >> YouTube, I have a feature idea. >> Let you rotate 90 degrees so you can lay
00:31:03
down on the couch, use all of your landscape screen real estate, >> and doom scroll that way.
00:31:09
>> Whoa. that really efficient. >> So, new Instagram TV app. It's not the
00:31:16
IGTV though. We might be too old for this. You might be too young for this if you're listening, but Instagram did
00:31:22
launch a thing called IGTV before reals were a thing. Um, that failed spectacularly, but it was also like you
00:31:29
had to turn your phone sideways. It was around it was around the Quibby days, if
00:31:32
you know what that means. >> Remember when we asked >> it was just vertical video.
00:31:36
>> Yeah. Well, people sometimes like me uploaded horizontal videos on GTV.
00:31:40
>> Um, but remember when we used to ask the question, is this >> like a product or a feature?
00:31:45
>> Yes. >> In hindsight, it was so obvious >> that vertical video is just a feature of
00:31:50
Instagram and they should have built it in, but it really to them was so vastly different that it was an entirely
00:31:56
separate product. >> Yeah. Which is crazy. >> Am I crazy? Because you guys have talked
00:31:59
about this. You guys have talked about this a few times and I feel like I'm having like a
00:32:04
Mandela effect cuz I only remember IGTV as being a button in the bottom of the Instagram app.
00:32:09
>> They put a button in the Instagram app that launched the other app. >> That's what that button did and it
00:32:14
launched the IGTV app. >> I never pressed it. >> They they eventually obviously moved it
00:32:19
in to just be a section of Instagram, but there was probably a couple months there where it was a whole separate
00:32:23
thing. >> Yeah, they had a crazy launch party for that, too. It was a whole thing.
00:32:26
>> The logo was kind of fire. >> Yeah. Well, now, yeah, it kind of looks
00:32:30
like um MTV. >> I >> Oh, that's the other fake logo. >> Okay, so this app is currently only
00:32:37
launching on Amazon Fire TV devices, which is a very, very niche collaboration. Look, I think that short form video is a
00:32:47
scourge on humanity and is melting our brains. However, >> whoa, >> this is my like,
00:32:53
>> hey, subscribe to Waveform Shorts. >> Yeah. Well, well, you can't subscribe to
00:32:59
the shorts. You can only >> You can try. >> You can subscribe to clips, but that's
00:33:04
that's not >> We don't Yeah, we haven't done a short vertical >> way year
00:33:08
>> vertical short content. >> Well, that was embarrassing for me. >> Yeah. So, however, and this is only like
00:33:13
a 2% however, this is a like I still think this is bad, but you know, if you're watching it on TV, there is a
00:33:22
much higher chance that you're watching it with somebody else. M >> and I think that considering people send
00:33:30
reels to each other so much because they want like we have a whole reals channel
00:33:36
in Instagram where we just send it it's a studio channel where we just send it
00:33:39
to each other. >> The social aspect of watching video together is very strong
00:33:44
>> and considering the content quality of many reels has gotten very high. I think
00:33:49
having your friend, your partner, your dog on the couch with you, your cat to watch your reels with you. There could
00:33:57
be 2% value in that. You know, the social video watching experience. >> Yeah.
00:34:03
>> Yeah. So, >> you're saying Lane and I should sit on the couch and watch reals together.
00:34:08
>> I mean, there is obviously to an extent people already do this with every other
00:34:11
form of video. It's just adding short form vertical video to the list of things that you can watch on your
00:34:16
>> TV. Yeah. I mean, which fine if I'm going to be forced to watch reals, I'd
00:34:19
rather watch it on my TV with somebody than with than on my phone with >> I was just going to say we're already
00:34:24
forced to watch reals. So, would you rather have this split off into its own IGTV app that has reals?
00:34:31
>> Yes. >> But they'll never do that. >> Yeah. At this point, yeah, it's better
00:34:34
for us because we're less likely to open it and therefore less likely to get
00:34:38
addicted and we can go over there intentionally when we want that brain rot and then we come back. But
00:34:42
obviously, that's the opposite of what they want. They want us to just stumble
00:34:46
into short form video and just start scrolling. >> Yeah. >> Which is hilarious because you used to
00:34:51
just swipe over on Instagram and that would be your inbox. Now you swipe over, it's just reals.
00:34:55
>> Yeah. >> Convenient. >> I mean, if they swap them into separate
00:35:00
apps, I would download Instagram again, >> but I undownloaded it cuz I was so tired
00:35:06
of reals and like looking through it. So, >> does your brain feel better? >> Hell yeah.
00:35:10
>> For a lot of reason. wrinklier software. >> Much wrinklier again.
00:35:15
>> Yeah. >> Well, anyway, um, OpenAI has also launched a new image generator model,
00:35:21
which is best for enterprise use, they say. And I think the only reason that they're saying that is because they just
00:35:27
did a $1 billion deal with Disney. Um, if you we didn't talk about this last
00:35:32
week, but OpenAI struck a1 billion dollar investment deal with Disney where uh Disney now gets to use Sora very very
00:35:42
extensively and there will be Disney characters in Sora >> and I've already seen what some people
00:35:49
are doing with it and it's not good. It's pretty bad. The last thing I would
00:35:53
want is my children'sbased animated characters to the >> heathens of the internet. The reason
00:36:01
that Disney said they want to do this is because they are going to add like short
00:36:06
form generative video feeds to Disney Plus, >> which if you really >> What does that even mean?
00:36:12
>> They're they're going to do the Sora app to Disney Plus. They're going to have
00:36:16
like generated Disney videos on the Disney Plus app that are generated with Sora.
00:36:21
>> User generated. >> I don't think so. >> I think like by Disney people.
00:36:27
>> Yeah, it's hor it's really bad. >> So instead of hiring animators to do
00:36:31
that, they're just going to have Sora do it. >> Yeah, >> they're lean team over there.
00:36:34
>> They're a lean team over at Disney. >> Really weird. This is a company that's
00:36:37
known for a like bespoke making everything by hand like with armies of artists and engineers and imagineers and
00:36:45
animators and b >> suing the be Jesus out of anyone who uses any of their IP.
00:36:51
>> Yeah. >> And now they and now they've and now they've gone and done this.
00:36:55
>> Yeah. So I I think that OpenAI needed to make the new image model to compete with
00:37:01
Gemini because Gemini 3's image model was really really really good and that's
00:37:05
the reason they did it. But the reason that they're saying it's best for
00:37:07
enterprise use, I think is just because they made this deal with Disney. And we didn't also did not talk about this, but
00:37:14
last week, the day after they announced the $1 billion investment deal with Disney, they also sued Google for
00:37:19
massive copyright copyright infringement on a massive scale. >> Oh, I thought it was the same day.
00:37:23
>> It was the day after. >> Oh, okay. >> Um, basically, yeah, they're just trying
00:37:27
to get everyone to pay them, you know, or to work with them in different ways. Disney paid like they're trying to get
00:37:33
Google to receive a billion dollar. Like what's the >> to work with them in some way? I don't
00:37:38
know. >> I think they're like these companies are just going to steal our IP no matter
00:37:43
like you can go on Gemini right now and just generate Disney characters. >> So I think that they're like all these
00:37:48
companies are stealing our our IP no matter what. We should figure out a way for this to work for both of us because
00:37:54
otherwise, you know, it's just going to happen. >> Yeah. Sorry to depress you on a Tuesday
00:37:59
night, Wednesday night. This kind of stuff hits way worse at 6 p.m. >> Yeah.
00:38:06
>> Well, in more positive news that happens in the morning. >> Nice.
00:38:13
>> Google has launched a new CC uh feature in labs. >> See, that's the kind of high quality
00:38:20
segways I'm looking for. Thank you. >> You're welcome, Adam. Uh and effectively
00:38:24
what this is, I think you would actually like this a lot, Marquez. >> I'm on the wait list.
00:38:28
>> Oh, you are on the wait list. Yeah. Well, you do like it a lot. Um, it plugs
00:38:32
into your calendar, your Gmail, and your Google Drive to basically give you a morning briefing of everything you've
00:38:38
got going on during the day, things that you might want to schedule, that you might want to take a look at. It's
00:38:43
basically a Gemini sort of uh butler assistant thing, but in your email, I have a theory about this that's going to
00:38:51
be extremely niche and only apply to a few people. Do it. So, for those of you who are like me who every morning ask,
00:38:58
"Hey G, how's my day or what's my day like?" And then Google Assistant goes
00:39:04
through and does the normal routine of like here's your A, here's your B,
00:39:08
here's your commute or whatever, whatever you put in for it to tell you, it does that. This is that. And I think
00:39:15
when the teams that make these two separate products realize like they meet each other. When these teams meet each
00:39:20
other on Google campus one day, they're going to combine them and they will give
00:39:23
me like an AI like good version of this at some point. But they have to meet first. So hopefully one of them is
00:39:30
watching this podcast and they realize that they exist. It's almost like they
00:39:33
have a video conferencing app that's called the exact thing. >> Starling
00:39:39
Hangouts meet. >> Yeah. >> Um Yeah. So I don't I mean, I'm curious
00:39:45
how it might use like your Google Drive >> to let you know what you need to do that
00:39:51
day. I can see the calendar making sense. I can see your email making sense. Google Drive seems strange.
00:39:58
Unless there's some enterprise Google Drive feature with like due dates that I
00:40:02
don't know about. >> Could be fun if it knows like which video script Google doc I've been
00:40:06
working on and it's like, oh, you're going to need a link to this doc today.
00:40:10
>> Yeah, it'd be cool >> if it just like opened all the tabs you
00:40:12
needed at once. That'd be fire. That'd be fire. >> Starline is what I meant to say.
00:40:16
>> Oh, >> cuz I'm an idiot. >> I was like, Starlink, I remember
00:40:19
Starline. >> Yeah. Uh, so it is in beta right now in Google Labs and for Gemini Ultra and
00:40:27
paid users in the US and Canada. Um, I think Google's just trying to put Gemini
00:40:33
in every little aspect of people's lives. Even people like people who live in their email inbox, which is a lot of
00:40:39
people. It's me. Well, you also live in a inside a camera. >> You also don't use Gmail.
00:40:45
>> I don't use gmail.com. >> Yeah, >> but I use Gmail. >> I thought you use superhuman.
00:40:50
>> Well, yeah. >> Yes. Which syncs Gmail? >> Yeah. >> But I mean like well you you wouldn't
00:40:55
get this feature, would you? >> Unless you're using >> I think you get it as I think it arrives
00:41:00
as an email. >> Oh, I thought it was like a a popup in the email app or something.
00:41:04
>> I mean, ideally it's it's reading all the emails or whatever for my account
00:41:06
and then just shows up as another email. >> Yeah, >> maybe. What's interesting, if you want
00:41:11
to talk to CC, you can email CC or you can reply to one of the emails it sends you and it'll send you an email back.
00:41:17
So, it's kind of like and then it turns into a chatbot and then it's Gemini and
00:41:20
then suddenly you're in the Gemini app. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Now I'm confused. The the AI's name is
00:41:25
CC or you you CC it in >> the product name is called CC as a play on words to the fact that it's through
00:41:32
your email. >> Okay. But you're not actually CC. >> You're not carbon copying anything.
00:41:36
Yeah. >> I thought it was closed captioning. No, I thought it was the famous Yankees
00:41:41
clos. >> He gets it. >> I don't know what that is. >> Um >> F1 driver.
00:41:47
>> Anyway, speaking of things that are former >> You said former. >> Yeah, that's sad.
00:41:55
>> Um the Ford F-150 Lightning is discontinued. >> What? >> Isn't that crazy?
00:42:01
>> Only as we know it, though. >> As we know it. So, the Ford F-150 Lightning was one of the original
00:42:08
like competitor EVs to Tesla. Tesla was doing their thing for a while and then we got a couple big like new EV
00:42:15
competitors. There was like the Mach E. There was oh, what was the other I'm
00:42:19
going to remember them actually. F150 Lightning was the the pickup truck and then Rivian R1T came along and uh Jaguar
00:42:26
Ipace. I remember this era. There was every new EV got compared to the Tesla. F-150 was one of them where we went,
00:42:31
"Ah, that's good. That's one of the things that Tesla doesn't have and that
00:42:35
people are going to want." And they basically just made an F-150 with all the same benefits and accessories and
00:42:40
every module would fit. It's just with an electric powertrain instead of gas.
00:42:44
And it's sold okay. I see them on the road once a while, but it didn't sell to
00:42:49
the rate that Ford was hoping that they would. And so despite their best efforts
00:42:53
and their refreshes and their special matte black version that they brought to the studio here, uh not enough sales, so
00:42:58
they're discontinuing it. That said, they are still going to continue to do like hybrid stuff with F-150 platform.
00:43:05
Yeah. >> So there's lots of versions of F-150 obviously and they're going to do I
00:43:08
guess they're they're trying to do a version that drives on electric motors
00:43:12
as the powertrain, but is fueled by a gas generator that fills battery and then powers the powertrain. So, it's
00:43:20
more of like a Fisker type setup. >> Karma Rivero. >> Yeah, exactly. They said they can get up
00:43:24
to 700 miles on that. >> Yeah, I was confused by that because there's like no information, but 700 got
00:43:30
thrown around in like every article that I saw. But I guess, >> believe it or not,
00:43:33
>> I'm assuming there's still battery involved into it. And the gasoline
00:43:37
engine is a >> is a generator. >> Is a generator that's extending range in
00:43:42
quick scenarios. Um, sounds like a really cool way to have two things to go wrong in your car. The gas engine.
00:43:49
That's what people say about hybrids. It's more complicated, but it is you do
00:43:53
have the upside of more range. So, >> I see it as a pickup truck, especially
00:43:56
at the F-150 range of, you know, the most popular vehicle in America. This making way more sense.
00:44:03
>> I mean, you get the torque of an electric car, which is great. >> It's weird though cuz is that that
00:44:08
torque is not always the same kind of torque they want when it comes to towing, right?
00:44:14
>> Yeah. I don't know how this will do with towing, and I'm not a towing expert, but
00:44:17
I kind of feel like the F-150 Lightning was weak with towing, and that was one reason why a lot of F-150 owners
00:44:22
wouldn't have wanted it as much, but it was really good at a lot of other stuff.
00:44:25
Obviously, not as much range when you're towing or in general. >> Grocery is tough to tow.
00:44:30
>> Yeah, that's the thing is like there's two types of F-150 owners. There's the
00:44:34
ones that buy an F-150 because they need an F-150, and then there's the people
00:44:37
who buy an F-150 just because that's what I want. >> Uh people who everyone else has a truck,
00:44:42
I want a truck, too. And it's a popular here's the truck you get. I might have
00:44:46
to help my friend move one day. >> Yeah. I had multiple people in my life that were excited for this truck just
00:44:51
because of the giant battery that they could use in case like the power goes out in the house. Like that was the
00:44:56
killer feature. Yeah. Everyone was excited about that. >> Yeah. So power vehicle to grid power is
00:45:01
still like a sort of a niche feature that a couple big battery EVs will do. I don't know. I'm gonna mess up the list
00:45:07
if I try to name them, but there are a couple that also still do this where they can be your house's battery backup
00:45:12
in a pinch. Pretty sick. >> Uh it'll be like 150 kilowatt hours, last you for days.
00:45:18
>> Uh but yeah, now that this truck is discontinued, that's one less option
00:45:21
that's not really good for anyone. >> Yeah, agreed. Can I say there's a quote
00:45:26
from Jim Farley that I really dislike. >> Ford, CEO of Ford. What do you say?
00:45:30
>> This is a customer-driven shift to create a stronger, more resilient, and
00:45:34
more profitable Ford. Is he implying that the customers are driving a more profitable Ford? Like we want that?
00:45:39
>> No, I think it's just I don't care about any of you. We're going to make as much
00:45:44
profit, which >> every company ever, but just like >> I'm trying to read into this because
00:45:49
it's a CEO statement. Customer driven shift implies people weren't buying the
00:45:54
electric ones. So, this is customer-driven. You guys are doing this >> uh to create a stronger, more resilient,
00:45:59
and more profitable Ford. So, the EVs were smaller margins and less profitable. and what we're going to
00:46:06
switch to and pivot to will be more profitable for Ford. >> Do we all care that Ford is more
00:46:10
profitable? >> Well, it's the CEO. He's talking to shareholders. >> Yeah.
00:46:13
>> And to be clear, customers were not driving the F-150 Lightning, >> but it was a great truck.
00:46:19
>> Customer-driven truck. >> Uh, yeah. >> Wait, I have a question about this.
00:46:24
>> So, the EU also this week just announced like a plan to stop doing electric
00:46:29
vehicles and stuff like that. Well, no. To stop the plan to >> stop gasoline.
00:46:35
>> They removed their mandate for all new vehicle sales to be electric by, I
00:46:40
believe, 2035. >> Thank you for putting into words my incoherent thought. >> I got you.
00:46:46
>> But my question is, is this more of a trend now? Are we like reversing the
00:46:51
whole EV thing? >> Well, I think the bigger thing is right now is we're losing or have lost the US
00:46:58
EV tax credit. And I think that's I think everybody understands that that is
00:47:03
for EVs in general hurting sales pretty hard. >> Just to be clear, I don't think this has
00:47:08
that much to do with the F-150 thing cuz it's really hard to buy an F-150 in
00:47:12
Europe, period. >> I think he's just saying the trend like we're seeing all these 2030 promises are
00:47:17
probably just going to be that they were promises three or four years ago. That >> if you're if you're paying enough
00:47:22
attention to this industry, there is definitely a trend. It's kind of like reading between the lines. I remember
00:47:27
like we saw Porsche promise that the 718 Cayman was going to be EV in its next refresh and then they kind of went and
00:47:36
also a gas one >> and oh I I was expecting that to be fully electric but like we see stuff
00:47:41
like that happening. We see companies who are going ah we're going to go we're
00:47:44
going to have all these electric cars and we're going to go fully electric by
00:47:47
this year and then quietly they're just not doing it. >> Yeah. So c customer-driven probably and
00:47:53
also just being realistic like I'm I'm reading up on this and by reading up I
00:47:57
mean I googled EU electric mandate and the AI overview is telling me that the recent change removes the hard 2035 ban
00:48:05
on new cars that are gas powered but they are still allowing up to 10% of sales to be combustion engines. So it's
00:48:12
like instead of 100 it'll be 90. Just slowly walking it back to be more realistic and more in line with
00:48:18
>> 10%. Yeah. Versus zero over that. >> Yeah. So, I I I agree that it's a trend.
00:48:24
It's a slow iceberg movement type of trend where it doesn't look like a disaster, but it it just feels like
00:48:29
we're calibrating to what's realistic >> and customer trends and profit.
00:48:34
>> Well, yeah, but the realism is based on company profits. >> Profit. Well, if you're not if nobody's
00:48:39
buying EVs and the the government incentives go away and and sales drop, it's like you can't make people buy EVs
00:48:46
if they don't want them. Well, that's why we were incentivizing people to buy
00:48:50
EVs. >> We're incentivizing them because they're more expensive uh per car. So, it's like
00:48:54
if I want someone to choose the EV, it needs to be the correct choice for them. They don't get to just force people into
00:48:59
buying EVs. So, if it was, oh, $7,000 less. Well, now it makes it a better buy. I'm going to choose the EV. But now
00:49:05
that that incentive goes away, in this specific case in the US, it's like >> now the gas car is a better buy. I'm
00:49:11
going to buy the gas car in the hybrid. And Toyota's sitting there going, "Yes,
00:49:14
more Prius buyers for us." >> That's true. So that's true. That's just
00:49:18
>> Toyota sitting in the middle ground forever with the Prius was probably
00:49:20
their best call cuz they just knew that no one was ever going to like fully switch one way or the other.
00:49:26
>> They're hybrid kings. >> They are. >> I'll throw one more thing out there.
00:49:29
Yeah, >> because I already can feel all the truck people yelling at me. I figured why not
00:49:34
have all the Tesla people yell at me. Also, >> let's go all in. >> Even though the F-150 Lightning
00:49:39
literally is a car that Ford says this isn't worth producing anymore and still
00:49:42
outsold the Cybertruck in 2025. Woo. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. But have you tried Have you tried
00:49:48
version 14, Andrew? Have you tried version 14, bro? >> Yeah. It's funny that like Tesla sells
00:49:55
Well, Tesla only has >> There's a lot of nuance to that and I don't care.
00:49:58
>> Yeah, the joke is funny. >> They have four or five models. Ford F-150 is the most popular vehicle in
00:50:04
America. So, the fact that one of the trims didn't sell well and got discontinued is kind of not huge news.
00:50:10
>> Yeah. >> But it is what it is. Um, speaking of EV trucks. Oh, so easy.
00:50:15
>> There we go. >> Because I wrote it in the outline. >> Oh, you did? I didn't even see that. I
00:50:20
saw Rivian in bold and I was like, I got this. >> But yes, speaking of EV trucks, Rivian
00:50:26
had an event this past week. And it was really interesting because I couldn't
00:50:29
tell who the event was for. The first part of it was this really engaging and interesting like AI chat from R.J. who's
00:50:38
a CEO talking about how they're going to be making their own silicon and their
00:50:42
generation 3 platform of vehicles is going to be fully self-driving on millions of miles of roads. And I was
00:50:47
like, whoa, that's really interesting. But this is also their autonomy day event. So then it transferred into this
00:50:53
really, really long, very detailed and honestly complex, but explanations of how they're doing these things and the
00:50:59
neural nets and the advantages of their approach mixing in LAR with radar with cameras, why they believe this is the
00:51:05
right solution for the future. And it feels like they were talking to >> shareholders, engineers.
00:51:12
>> They know who they were talking to. >> Yeah. And and the comments section was
00:51:16
people watching a live stream on twitter.com or YouTube. So it was like people who are terminally online and
00:51:23
maybe a little bit too in the bubble and they were like this isn't close to what
00:51:26
Tesla's doing. And then they had uh hands-on after which was allowing people
00:51:32
to ride in these new self-driving Rivian. Mhm. >> And so there's some footage online of
00:51:36
these these these rides and some of them look okay. Some of them look like they had some errors and misses which is
00:51:42
normal. They didn't do like a closed course thing. Um so there's a lot going
00:51:46
on. My takeaway which is very much just from my own perspective because I own a generation one Rivian was I'm glad I
00:51:54
didn't buy a Gen 2 Rivian because none of those are going to get the the new
00:51:58
silicon. It's the Gen 3 which is basically R2. They announce new silicons. Sorry.
00:52:05
>> Yeah, you kind of have to be in the lingo. Rivian has R1, which is the first
00:52:10
generation of their vehicles, and then they have R2, which is the SUV, like second generation thing. And then they
00:52:18
have R3, which is even smaller. >> But they also have generation one, which
00:52:22
is Rivian R1T and R1S, and then generation 2, which is also Rivian 2, R1S, and R1T. Yeah.
00:52:28
>> And then generation three, which is R2. And presumably there'll be an R1 gen 3
00:52:35
>> and R3 >> and probably probably an R1 gen 3 >> and R3 will be Gen 3.
00:52:40
>> So the takeaway here is R2 is the first gen 3 vehicle that will have the silicon
00:52:46
in it that will have all the full self-driving that they're talking about all these new capabilities.
00:52:51
>> It'll have LAR up at the top and they talked about how smoothly integrated
00:52:54
that LAR box is. And the Gen 2 vehicles now that are like a slight update to my Gen 1 R1 are not going to get all of
00:53:04
that. >> Dang. Sad for those people. >> Yeah, they might get some of that, but
00:53:06
they won't have the silicon. Obviously, they're already shipping. >> Anyway,
00:53:09
>> yeah, >> it's interesting. They are they're promising a lot. Uh it's kind of hard to
00:53:13
take all their word for it because we see these >> I love how much they promised.
00:53:17
>> They promised a lot. >> Felt really Tesla. >> Yeah. And I, you know, I feel like
00:53:21
that's a combo of like maybe a little bit of fundraising and talking to the public about like, oh yeah, we are super
00:53:27
AI first and and self-driving and all that stuff and then people who invest and and have lots of money to give
00:53:32
Rivian might go, oh, seems about right and and be more down, whatever. >> Um, I don't think it's going to sell
00:53:39
them any R1s, though, because it doesn't have the stuff that they were talking
00:53:42
about. to Tesla's credit, >> them going all in on the cameras, it was like now for their customers, their
00:53:51
customers get to, you know, theoretically use more of the self-driving features as they get
00:53:57
updated >> because all of the Teslas for a very long time have cameras. >> Yeah.
00:54:02
>> And so they're not going to need like new sensors and stuff. There's like
00:54:05
>> Yeah, >> they've switched out the the boxes. >> They've changed the sensors, the
00:54:10
cameras. >> Yeah. But they're not there's no like hard limit on like your Model 3 can do
00:54:14
it and yours there is. >> No, I think there is hardware like a joke. >> Haven't they not updated the hardware
00:54:20
versions in like a while? There was at least one statement on stage that Elon uh sort of skirted around. He'd said,
00:54:26
"Oh yeah, all Model 3s are going to have full self-driving." And then you hear
00:54:31
someone in the crowd go like, "What about hardware 3?" And he kind of just
00:54:35
goes, "Let's not pay attention to nuance." Like he literally says like,
00:54:38
"Let's not get nuanced." because he knows that this is for a certain X date
00:54:42
and forward version of Tesla and it's not actually all Model 3s that are going
00:54:46
to get all these features. >> Got it. >> But if you just kind of avoid nuance, it
00:54:49
seems like a nice thing to say. >> Um I don't know if there's a lawsuit
00:54:52
about that, but it's like the same thing is going to happen with everyone who has
00:54:56
updated hardware in their cars. They build new capabilities around the updated hardware. And so everyone who's
00:55:01
on previous gen like me, a firstg Rivian buyer who spent tons of money on a truck
00:55:05
to support this early thing, I'm not getting any of these features. Yeah. >> So, oh well.
00:55:09
>> Too bad they can't just like update the box. >> What features did they announce, though?
00:55:13
>> So, Rivian's main thing was their current uh driver assist feature. I'm
00:55:18
not going to try to name them because they all have different pilot auto type names or whatever, but the current
00:55:22
driver assist feature is something like a 100,000 uh fully lined highways. >> 135,000 miles of roads that is getting
00:55:32
updated to 3.5 million miles of roads. I think the quote that one guy said later
00:55:36
was, "If it has clearly marked painted lines, you can drive on it." To which
00:55:40
>> every comment I saw from that is like, "Well, where I live doesn't have that."
00:55:45
So, like, I'm not coming to work. Yeah. >> There's a lot more roads in the US, but
00:55:49
it's like the current driver assist that I try to use doesn't work on neighborhood streets, doesn't work on
00:55:54
lots of regular roads that you think it should work on. It works okay on a lot of highways, but it's like just a
00:56:00
regular road with lines on it, it wouldn't work. So, this theoretically multiplies by several orders of
00:56:05
magnitude how many roads it can drive hands-free on um whether you choose to use that or not or if you were planning
00:56:12
on using it for everything, there's still a long way to go for them. But, >> and then the next the next level of
00:56:18
things they're doing for the uh gen Gen 3 >> Gen Sanong, that's a different company.
00:56:25
>> Um >> Oh, yeah. In 2026, they're claiming point to point. So, like put it address
00:56:30
to address and I'll drive you the whole way. Um, and then Gen three architecture
00:56:33
is eyes off. So he's claiming you can like read a book and do stuff like that.
00:56:38
And then after that would be personal level four. This is the level of promising where I was like, I don't like
00:56:44
this. This is way too much. That's also just out of Rivian's hands for quite a
00:56:49
bit of it in terms of regulations. >> And that's a lot to promise. Um,
00:56:53
>> yeah, >> there are laws. My question is if you're doing eyes off
00:56:59
but you also can only do it on marked roads. If you are eyes off and it >> GPS doesn't know the road has lines or
00:57:06
not and you get to a unlined road, >> what happens? >> I guess it'll just beep at you. It beeps
00:57:11
at you and says take over. >> Yeah, >> cuz it it's probably not like you can
00:57:14
sit in the back seat. >> No, no, you can't beep in the back. But like if you're reading a book like he
00:57:18
said and in a split sec if you're going 60 and now the road doesn't have lines
00:57:22
on it anymore, what is your ditching the book and grabbing the wheel? Doesn't
00:57:27
>> just like slow down like it slowly slows down until it basically does it pull
00:57:32
over. >> Okay, that sounds unsafe for other people driving on the roads to just have
00:57:36
a car slow >> better than barreling down a road that you don't know. >> So that's also true. Hey, listen. I'm
00:57:40
not the one who made the problem here. >> What happens? It accelerates. goes even
00:57:45
faster. >> I think one of the most interesting battlegrounds on the internet, which has
00:57:50
been hilarious, and this may just be comment farming, but I think it's hilarious, is the LAR versus no LAR
00:57:56
battle in in the self-driving world. And really, it's just people who listen to
00:58:00
what Tesla Elon says, which is lighter is stupid. You don't need it. or what a
00:58:06
lot of others like Jaguar with the iPace and Whimo and obviously with Rivian now
00:58:10
are doing which is adding LAR to the suite of sensors to help augment the downsides of vision only
00:58:18
>> right >> and the argument is like vision only can do a lot if your systems are really good
00:58:23
if your AI is really good but there's this really really really really long tale of edge cases of things that are
00:58:31
kind of weird to solve for with vision >> fog >> fog and and rain and and all that other
00:58:35
stuff, but also just weird stuff that happens on the road. And LAR can see further and has obviously a better uh
00:58:43
long distance vision than just the cameras. And so I guess what R.J. was saying on stage with Rivian's event is
00:58:50
LAR has come down enough in price that this is not prohibitively expensive. We're going to do this. We're going to
00:58:55
map build this into all of our data. And so the camps are people who say this is
00:59:01
doomed. you're just adding noise to your neural nets or this is actually better
00:59:05
than not having it. Of course, you should add it. They fight a lot on Twitter. >> Marquez, people have been driving cars
00:59:10
for millions of years without LAR in their eyes. I don't know what you need LAR for.
00:59:15
>> Well, that goes to my like humanoid robot argument, too, which is people
00:59:18
going that human robots should be human shaped. I'm like, you just inherited all
00:59:21
the blind spots and all the downsides of humans, including drivers. Of course, human drivers are worse than robot
00:59:27
drivers. We have no eyes in the back of our head. >> Do you know what the best part about
00:59:30
this episode is? What? >> We get to leave for two weeks and not read any of the comments. It's going to
00:59:35
be a brutal comments of every episode. >> Can some machine learning engineer
00:59:39
please explain to me why all the AI companies were like, "No, we need to steal everything because the more
00:59:46
information we have to give to the models, the smarter they're going to be." And that somehow doesn't apply to
00:59:51
cars. Like, like, oh no, that's too much information. Get the LAR out of here. No
00:59:56
radar, just just cameras. That's too much. It's like, what? How does that
00:59:59
make any goddamn sense? >> Well, they are, to be fair, they are working on ways to not just feed more
01:00:04
data to the language models. Like they're they're working on ways around
01:00:07
that >> after they stole everything. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. After they stole everything.
01:00:13
>> One other thing they did announce, Rivian assistant. >> This is interesting,
01:00:16
>> which was kind of like Yeah. Exactly what you would imagine is your own incar
01:00:21
assistant. But one thing I thought that was interesting is R.J. shows a way that
01:00:25
you can like obviously you can do vehicular commands in terms of with your car. That definitely sounds like
01:00:31
breaking a law like a charge manslaughter. >> But uh you >> you said vehicular commands like turn on
01:00:38
my heated >> I didn't say that out loud. >> Um but it also like it could make
01:00:44
changes to Google calendar and other Google things which >> if you're partnering with Google somehow
01:00:49
or connecting with Google, give me Android Auto. You can do it, coward. Just do it. It makes no sense to not do
01:00:57
it. >> Wait, I'm trying to think, okay, what their logic would be like if I asked
01:00:59
them right now, what would they say? Cuz the lot, okay, I use Rivian software. Rivian gets all the data about how I use
01:01:05
the car. If I have Android Auto, I will just use that and so I won't put all my
01:01:10
navigation data or anything else like that into Rivian system. So Riven system can't learn and get better. So what they
01:01:17
do is they plug in certain parts of Google's ecosystem so that I keep using Rivian software but that I can still
01:01:24
interact with Google services. That's probably what they would say. >> I don't care
01:01:32
just but yeah I I will definitely use it to do things in the car and I will definitely not use it to change my
01:01:38
calendar. I do not trust that. >> Do you trust that? Would you ask your car to change your calendar? I feel like
01:01:44
I wouldn't trust that. >> No. No way. >> I like having my calendar in my car.
01:01:48
>> Yeah, but on like something I can see and like do with my hands, I guess.
01:01:51
Theoretically, >> touch screen. >> Theoretically, it's self-driving. Yeah.
01:01:54
Is it going to show me my calendar? >> We're just old. I need to physically see
01:01:58
myself moving it. I don't know if I would trust like some automated system to do it just for me telling
01:02:02
>> I don't even have to do that. >> The automated system. No, but if it
01:02:06
showed like a little calendar widget on your screen and then I could see the box
01:02:09
move, I guess I'd trust it then. >> Yeah, >> I'm a very visual learner. I don't want
01:02:14
my car to have any thoughts. I don't want my car to have to think about where
01:02:17
to turn. I don't want my car to have to think about my calendar. >> I don't want my car to think at all.
01:02:21
>> Just API. >> I want it to go pedal down and go go forward. I want car to go. I want car to
01:02:27
go go and beep beep. And that's that's like good enough. >> No break. Just horn.
01:02:35
>> I think we need I think we need an ad break. >> Let's trivia.
01:02:38
>> I'm really Wait, I'm really curious what the last No, it's okay. This is This is
01:02:41
a trivia question. Oh, okay. >> I'm just really c curious what the last
01:02:45
trivia question of the year is going to be. Better be good. >> Oh, I really want to.
01:02:49
>> Don't you want to know? All right. So, this is a bit of a teaser for this next
01:02:52
segment coming up. >> Oh, but >> I'm looking at Ellis as I say this.
01:02:59
>> Question number two of this episode. Last one of the year. What is the Scoville rating of the bomb?
01:03:06
>> Super hot question. >> Closest without >> Closest without going over.
01:03:10
>> Going over. Yeah, >> I think we should just do Delta. We've all watched We've all watched Hot Ones
01:03:16
enough. We should >> Everyone but David has watched Hot Ones enough that we should
01:03:21
>> The only Hot Ones episode I watched was the one where uh what's his name? Like
01:03:26
>> you better be careful right there. >> Marquez has been on it twice.
01:03:30
>> I think I watched that one. Wait, twice? I watched one. >> I didn't know you went on again.
01:03:36
>> David, just leave. Just leave. >> Unbelievable. I talked so much about you on that
01:03:41
episode. That's crazy. >> He was like, "My good friend David."
01:03:46
>> There was a whole section where Sean is like, "I heard you're friends with
01:03:48
David." >> It was You should totally watch it, dude. It was so good. >> All right, that's cool. I'll keep it up.
01:03:53
>> Anyway, >> I'll keep it up on my one of my three screens. >> Well, we'll think about this one.
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>> She's just sitting right here next to me. >> My my shirt's back on now.
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>> So, 2025, how do we end the last episode of this calendar year of our regular
01:07:28
scheduled programming? How should we end this? >> Well, Adam was nice enough to go back
01:07:31
and look at all the predictions we made at the start of the year >> and kind of has a little recap going on,
01:07:37
too. So, I think we just jump straight into what we predicted. Is this waveform wrapped?
01:07:43
>> Kind of. >> Kind of. Sort of. >> I hope I got everything right.
01:07:46
>> You didn't. I did not. >> Damn it. >> All right. What did we say?
01:07:53
>> Do you want to go through these, Adam? You wrote them all down. We'll just
01:07:56
react to them. Yeah. >> Also, quick note, this is the last regularly scheduled program of this
01:08:00
year. We will have a bonus episode next week at the time of you listening to this. So, if you're traveling for the
01:08:05
holidays, >> Yeah. next Tuesday, there there will be an episode. >> Yes.
01:08:09
>> Uh, okay. 23rd. >> Yeah, 23rd. Random 2025 predictions. The first one was, "Will the S25 have G2
01:08:18
wireless charging?" >> David said yes. >> G2 meaning with the magnets.
01:08:24
>> Yeah, with the magnets. >> With the magnets, >> cuz I was G2 as we knew it before.
01:08:29
Ready? >> The first like two episodes of the year were usating this. >> CH2 got us like five times and they kept
01:08:36
changing the spec. They're like, "Choo, >> as we predicted ready."
01:08:41
>> Andrew also said yes. Marquez said no. I said no. Ellis said yes. >> So, I got that right.
01:08:47
>> So, Marquez and I got it correct. >> Whatever. >> The only phones that had G2 were just
01:08:51
the Pixel >> and the iPhone. >> Speaking of Pixel, that was the next
01:08:55
one. Marquez, >> was it only the Pixel? >> Pixel HMD Skyl. >> Well, yeah, that's it.
01:09:02
>> Marquez, you said that 2025 would be the year of the Pixel 10. Oh. Oh, no.
01:09:10
>> How do you feel about that? >> You shut me down last week with my hot
01:09:14
take. >> I I remember what I was thinking when I said that and it had a lot to do with
01:09:18
Tensor and that did not happen. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Damn. >> You were saying that this year it would
01:09:23
take a big leap and then next year in the in the 11 we would get a big visual refresh.
01:09:28
>> I don't know why I have that much faith. >> That might be true
01:09:30
>> because it's 10. >> Yeah. I mean, this would have been a great year to do it.
01:09:34
>> Yeah. >> Well, that was the question. David, you said because it's the 10, do you think
01:09:38
they're going to do something big? And Marquez was like, nah. >> But >> wait, he said no or he said yeah.
01:09:44
>> He said it wouldn't they wouldn't do anything big to the hardware. It would
01:09:47
be the same hardware and tensor is going to be a huge leap and it's going to be
01:09:50
the year of the Pixel 10. >> It should have been. >> It ended up being that Pixel Snap was a
01:09:55
bigger deal than any of the rest of the stuff that >> Yeah. Yeah. >> True. True.
01:09:58
>> Unfortunately, >> we like Pixel Snap. >> Yeah. >> It's called Tenser, right? And then it's
01:10:03
the 10th. It's Pixel 10. Come on, guys. with the 10. >> How many hot dogs would you like?
01:10:08
>> 10. >> 10, sir. >> Exactly. >> Why is it hot dogs? >> Like, how many?
01:10:12
>> It's always hot dogs. It's always hot. >> Yeah, it's always hot dogs.
01:10:16
>> Okay. Uh, then we had our hot takes predictions. >> Okay. >> Which All right. Mine I'm just going to
01:10:20
get the way. You can all laugh at me. >> We only had two predictions. >> Well, no, that was the
01:10:26
>> those are just like random >> random ones that I picked. We had a
01:10:28
bunch that episode, but those were the ones I felt like were worth re talking about. Uh, random hot take predictions.
01:10:34
Mine was that someone will get the the AI wearable right this year. >> I >> How do you feel about that one?
01:10:40
>> The Pebble. >> The what? >> It's not out yet. >> It's not AI.
01:10:44
>> Dude, when is when does anything ever come out anymore? Okay. Like, come on.
01:10:49
>> Yeah, I don't feel great about that one, but it's in 2026. >> I don't know. Mark had like three
01:10:53
different AI wearables on the testing desk that just dustable cuz I don't I cannot confirm or deny
01:10:59
this about the pocket one that I got or the friend one that I got. I got to try those things. I can confirm they did not
01:11:04
get it right. >> I've seen >> Friend definitely did not get it. >> I've seen those subway ads.
01:11:09
>> Subway ads. >> It was like everywhere on the subway. >> Which one?
01:11:15
>> Friend. >> Friend. >> They booked out the entire New York subway.
01:11:18
>> Did they spend any money on the hardware or just a website domain of subway?
01:11:22
>> It's the size of an air. It's just a air tag. >> That's all it is. Kind of looks like it.
01:11:26
>> Is he out of business yet? >> No. >> No. He was whining on Twitter the other
01:11:30
day though. I mean, turns out when you're just like a Chad GBT rapper, you don't have to spend
01:11:34
>> That was the tweet I saw. That was >> Hey, 20% of the people on this podcast
01:11:37
are paying customers of Chat GBT >> for friend. >> You bought the >> You pay for
01:11:42
>> You can buy the friend. >> You pay for sitting on my desk >> and you're paying for the
01:11:47
>> You know what's funny? I don't think that's I don't think that's a different
01:11:50
AI necklace. I'm pretty sure. >> Oh, the one that I have. >> Yeah.
01:11:54
>> Whoops. >> There's another one that kind of looks like the Oh, god.
01:11:58
>> All right. Well, I'll I'll test them all later. >> That just shows that Adam was especially
01:12:02
wrong. I want to confirm that, but I'm pretty sure it's something else. >> I'll go back and find that. I cannot
01:12:07
confirm or deny. >> Well, the next one was Andrews. Rabbit will survive and release the Rabbit R2.
01:12:12
>> I was close. >> You're close. >> Survive. >> They are not out of business yet.
01:12:17
>> Well, yeah, because they didn't have to pay any employees. >> If they haven't paid any of their
01:12:22
employees, are they still technically >> still alive and teased teased a new one?
01:12:27
>> Exactly. Okay. >> Oh my god. >> Technically, >> are we I got closer than that.
01:12:32
>> Another CES where a bunch of influencers like talk about how cool it is and it
01:12:35
ends up being >> Can they afford a plane ticket to CES? >> They'll get flown out there. Fighting
01:12:40
words, Andrew. >> Uh David, you said Yeah, >> this is this is a little crazy. You
01:12:45
said, "I think Humane gets sold in 2025." >> Correct. >> Correct.
01:12:50
>> But you also said probably not to HP. >> No way. >> How did you do that? Did he really say
01:12:57
that? It did seem a little obvious because like HP humane pin, you know, a little on the nose.
01:13:03
>> Thank you, Alice. >> Did I really say that? >> You did. I think it was because it was
01:13:06
around the time that rumors first started popping up. It hadn't happened yet, but it was like around the time
01:13:11
that there were rumors. >> I think it I think I was just thinking that would just be that would be too
01:13:15
funny. It would be too depressing and funny. >> Wow. >> Andrew also asked if when it inevitably
01:13:21
sold if it would be more or less than Juan Sto's contract. Not even close. >> Player of the Mets, which was $765
01:13:27
million. They sold for about $116 million. >> So, not close. >> That's still too much.
01:13:32
>> Although, his contract was for 15 years. So, you know, they made that in like
01:13:35
what three. >> Are they making the AI for the printers better over there? >> Do you have an HP printer?
01:13:40
>> Yeah. What's going on over there at HP? >> What? Who? >> They're just printing money.
01:13:45
>> HP decided to buy Humane. I have so many questions. >> Yeah, I know, right?
01:13:50
>> That are not yet answered about that. It's probably the They did invent some
01:13:52
sort of projector technology. >> Hey, printer. >> Hey, printer, connect to Wi-Fi again,
01:13:57
please, for the love of God. >> HP makes laptops still. >> Dragonfly.
01:14:01
>> Yeah, >> they make a lot of Chromebooks. >> The next hot take was Marquez. You said
01:14:06
the browser wars are back. >> True. >> I got that right. >> Yep. I got that right. But there are so
01:14:12
many browsers >> useless. He also correct didn't expect the main browser war to be the company
01:14:17
killing their own browser and starting another one and causing a giant side. We got plots we got side plots. We got main
01:14:24
plots. We got chat GBT threatening Google threatening. We got a whole bunch >> threatening.
01:14:29
>> Well, existing enough for a little code red action. I feel like that's
01:14:32
>> Oh, I thought you meant like Atlas. >> No, the Atlas. >> Well, I mean that's one of the things.
01:14:36
>> Yeah, the browser wars are back. >> I thought you meant they sent a threat
01:14:39
to the other >> Yeah. Sundar >> and that's it. >> Yeah, that's it. Oh, wait, no, there's
01:14:47
one more. Ellis, >> you said last year that Microsoft will not be adding live translation to any of
01:14:53
their products in 2025. >> You also said that if they do, you will sit at the big table and apologize while
01:14:59
eating the bomb. >> The bomb, >> sorry, the bomb. >> Did Microsoft technically
01:15:05
>> Microsoft >> Teams >> team? But did they really >> interpreter mode? Well, I don't I
01:15:12
haven't heard anything about We've joked about the live translation thing all
01:15:15
year. >> Thing where like I'm pretty sure I'm wrong. Like even if I did just say
01:15:21
Microsoft, like my whole thing was like this is this is not real. And as the reason I say I'm pretty sure I'm I'm
01:15:29
wrong is because like earlier we were talking about this and I was like, "Yeah, because now the PixelBuds and the
01:15:35
AirPods both have live translation." And everyone was like, "But but do they?"
01:15:40
And I was like, "No, they they do, right? Who's used it?" And no one in the
01:15:43
office had used it. >> Yeah. >> And it still like >> doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
01:15:48
>> No, I agree. I feel like >> it got added to everything and I haven't
01:15:51
heard a peep about any of it. >> But no, I >> The Pixel has it for phone calls. Have
01:15:56
you heard a single person? >> That doesn't mean it doesn't work. >> I'm just Yeah. Yeah. I use it.
01:16:01
>> I just thought if it would be like real like life-changing, we would have heard
01:16:04
about it a little more. >> Anyway, this is all the same. How much do you speak a different language?
01:16:07
>> Yeah, we don't we don't use it, but that doesn't mean it's not good for people
01:16:10
who do speak another language. Like I use it. I remember when the Pixel came out, everyone was trying this demo in
01:16:16
all of our first hands-on in our reviews and we they literally would call us and
01:16:19
have someone in another room speak another language to us and we would hear the translation in English. We'd speak
01:16:23
back, it would translate, and it would work. And I haven't used it since then
01:16:26
cuz I don't need to make phone calls to people who I don't speak to in different
01:16:30
languages, but it works. >> Yeah, >> I am a man of my word. Uh after we
01:16:35
finish the next part of waveform wrapped, I will take a seat at the big table. I will issue my apology.
01:16:40
>> Stick around >> and I will I will debomb. >> You should do the readout with You
01:16:45
should do the bomb and then do the read out. >> But you got to I was going to do the
01:16:50
bomb and then read you guys a trivia question. >> I like that. I like that better. Yeah,
01:16:54
>> because uh man, that waiting music is going to feel a little >> Do are you going to do a spoonful?
01:16:59
>> I don't know. I >> I think a dab is plenty. >> I'm going to do a dab. I also It's
01:17:03
dinner time and I haven't eaten. So, I'm probably gonna like put it on >> This is bad.
01:17:07
>> A Pringle. >> We do have milk in the office. >> Can you scar your stomach lining?
01:17:13
>> That's called an ulcer. Yeah, you can >> sit there for a while until you cover it
01:17:16
with other food. >> No, we're going to Yeah, I'm sorry. >> I did hot ones on an empty stomach. It
01:17:20
was bad. >> You did hot ones. >> I feel like every time I say it, I'm
01:17:26
like, maybe I'm flexing. Maybe this is just unnecessary. >> Uh yeah. Yeah. Uh, I did watch one of
01:17:32
them. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. >> Did you? >> I did. >> Okay.
01:17:37
>> Which one? >> The I don't know. >> One of the two. I think it was the first
01:17:41
one. >> Anyway. Yeah. So, >> I've been here a long time. >> I think it's safe to say that while some
01:17:47
of us were kind of right, I was the most wrong. >> It's okay. I think that's Yeah,
01:17:55
>> I think you had fair data, you know, cuz they have announced live translation
01:17:59
like 50 times over the last 10 years. >> I I I had 11 years to make this bet
01:18:05
>> and the one year I make it is uh is the year I Yeah, >> probably not best to guess the year that
01:18:11
like all the LLM actually started working. >> Yeah. >> Well, that was our our predictions. So,
01:18:17
now looking back at this past year >> Mhm. >> What do you think was the story of the
01:18:22
year if you had to pick one? What's the theme? Tech story of the year. >> I like your list and just liquid asses
01:18:28
in the middle of it. >> Damn, there was actually a lot of stuff this year.
01:18:33
>> There's Do you want to read just read this list, Adam? It's a pretty
01:18:36
>> These are all things that happened this year. >> This all stuff that happened in 2025.
01:18:39
>> Okay. >> Nintendo Switch 2. >> Let's go. >> Nintendo Switch 2. Nintendo Switch 2.
01:18:43
>> Tik Tok got sold. >> Sort of. >> Kind of maybe. >> Yeah.
01:18:47
>> Uh the first waveform live stream, which Ellis added. I completely forgot. I
01:18:51
think another one of those has to happen in 2026 somehow. At least one >> uh the Galaxy S25 happened. I feel like
01:18:59
Galaxy and iPhone just by themselves are big things of the year in tech. >> I would argue S lineup
01:19:05
>> basically not news this year. >> Didn't do anything. >> Is that news? Okay. Uh next, Apple
01:19:10
Vision Pro turned one. >> I don't remember. Deepseek. >> Remember that? The whole industry shook.
01:19:18
That was this year. Yeah, that was crazy. >> Did we ever find out if that was cap or
01:19:23
not? Like >> I don't >> No, I don't think >> I don't think it was. They just released
01:19:26
some new stuff last week. >> Uh then there was the iPhone E which confused us all.
01:19:32
>> Woof. >> And got of the year. >> Yeah, I forgot about that.
01:19:35
>> Yeah. Sigma BF camera. Remember that? >> Oh, the Sigma boyfriend.
01:19:38
>> Yeah, that was this year. >> Coolest thing for two weeks and >> all metal, baby. Hey, two weeks is
01:19:42
longer than a lot of stories last. That's true. >> Yeah, that's true. Live at Southby.
01:19:46
>> That was fun. >> Our first show. That was cool. Uh, the Dodge EV Charger.
01:19:50
>> Room v room. >> That was this year. >> That was this year with this
01:19:53
>> loudest EV of all time >> that Marquez really hated. >> The fratsonic chamber exhaust man.
01:19:59
>> You could hear us pull up from outside the studio. >> That was the muscle car that was too
01:20:03
heavy to do burnouts. >> Yeah. Not enough power. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Unfortunate.
01:20:08
>> Damn. >> Uh, iPhone Air. >> That happened. Big story happened. Big
01:20:12
story. And iPhone air getting discontinued >> allegedly. >> Allegedly. Wow. Uh, liquid ass, of
01:20:18
course. >> Yeah. >> An orange iPhone. >> That might be the story. That might be
01:20:21
cool. >> What? Liquid Glass. >> Yeah, it's one of them. >> Yeah. Well, there was also the Jimmy
01:20:26
Fallon Pixel 10 event. >> That's the one. >> Meta AI glasses part part two or three,
01:20:36
whatever. >> Uh, humanoid robots coming back. Didn't see that coming. >> Oh, that was a lot. Yeah.
01:20:41
>> Steam Machine and Steam Frame announced, which everyone yelled at me because they
01:20:44
said people were actually excited for the Steam Frame. Oh, the frame. Yeah, I think people are excited for the frame.
01:20:49
I don't care that much, but I'm excited for the Steam machine. >> I had a lot of Normies hit me up and say
01:20:53
they were stoked on the Steam machine. It was kind of surprising. >> Um, >> I think kind of surprising kind of
01:20:58
surprising that normies care about Steam hardware. Really? >> Yes. >> Yeah. Yeah.
01:21:06
>> Was I not just saying this? >> Elliot's grandma has never heard of
01:21:10
Steam Machine or the Steam Deck. Aneot, he's in our Discord server. Oh, sorry,
01:21:16
dude. >> He's the guy whose grandma thought that the fold was AI. >> Yeah,
01:21:21
>> someone doesn't watch the video. >> Uh, airdrop coming to Android.
01:21:27
>> Come on. >> I think that might have been one of the big Titanic news.
01:21:30
>> Yeah, >> we'd know more about it if they got Jimmy Fallon to announce it.
01:21:34
>> Xiaomi 17 Pro Max. >> That did happen. >> I don't think I pronounced that
01:21:38
correctly. Xiaomi. >> Xiaomi. >> Xiaomi. >> Xiaomi. Uh, the Xiaomi Sue 7. That
01:21:42
happened this year. Wait, I I I'm pretty sure it's SU7. So, I made a SUE7 joke
01:21:47
once around the office and and no one has referred to it as the SU7. So, that's why
01:21:52
>> it's the SU7. It's so perfect. >> I mean I mean I'm sure it's not
01:21:55
pronounced that way in every market, but it's literally SU7. Like, how else would
01:21:58
you pronounce it? Maybe you're not supposed to ever pronounce it >> SU7,
01:22:01
>> but I naturally just started saying Sue. So, >> yeah. >> Sus.
01:22:05
>> Or was it today's episode with the trifold? Is that the story of the
01:22:09
>> trifold is pretty crazy. No, >> no, >> I I like the story of the top three. I
01:22:13
have a Mount Rushmore guy. >> I have a top. >> I'll take that. I'll take that.
01:22:15
>> I have a Mount Rushmore for this year. >> There are four heads on Mount Rushmore.
01:22:18
>> Yes, I have a top four. I was adjusting. Sorry. I had three and now I have four.
01:22:21
So, I have a Mount Rushmore for this year. >> The last one, George Washington.
01:22:25
>> My Mount Rushmore for Waveform and for Stories of 2025. Number one is liquid glass.
01:22:34
>> Okay. >> Okay. >> Yeah, >> it's liquid glass. Not even necessarily
01:22:37
number one. It's just on the mountain. Yeah. Liquid glass. Yeah. >> Number two, live at South by Southwest.
01:22:42
>> Oh, >> I have to throw that on the M rush mark. That was pretty bomb.
01:22:45
>> Pretty bomb. >> Number three, Sue7. >> Sue Seven. >> I didn't even do that.
01:22:51
>> Let's kick it off. >> We're too old for this, dude. Shouldn't
01:22:53
be. >> And number four, >> let's throw uh let's throw Meta AI
01:22:59
glasses on there. >> Hot take. >> I think that was really interesting.
01:23:02
Switch two did kind of make a repeating I could make an argument for that. >> All right, throw switch two on there.
01:23:08
Switch two is in there over the meta AI glasses goodness. >> But I did find uh I got more people
01:23:14
asking me in real life about the AI glasses. >> I'm not going to do a Mount Rushmore,
01:23:19
but I think the cool circle thing is we got Project Muhan in like January and we went to that event and they like
01:23:30
teased the trifold in that little uh like timeline and we got it right at the end of the year. Yeah.
01:23:36
>> Which is kind of cool. just barely slipped it in by the end. Yeah, >> it's sick.
01:23:39
>> I think that, you know, Liquid S um being such a like a story that was just
01:23:44
so prevalent throughout the entire year. Like people have still are talking about
01:23:49
this and and now a lot of the normies are updating their phones >> and they're all like, "What the is
01:23:55
this?" Uh nobody likes it. Notably, a lot of the Apple executives have moved
01:24:01
on to other companies. the design chief that made Liquid Glass left for Meta. So, he's going to make, you know,
01:24:08
everything over there is going to be horrible now, >> even worse than it already is. So,
01:24:14
>> I feel like Yeah, I feel like Liquid Glass has been the most like it's been a
01:24:19
story all year, >> you know? I mean, we It got announced in June of >> Was that this year? No, last year. No,
01:24:26
this year. >> No, this year. This summer. This year. >> They showed it off this summer. this
01:24:31
they showed it off this summer coming to an iPhone near you and now it's coming
01:24:35
to everything >> maybe but we're going to change it a few times. >> Yeah. So, and considering all the other
01:24:40
companies like copied liquid glass and to for their UIs in China, I would say that's one one of the big ones. I do
01:24:47
have a sorry I can't say this, I guess. Um what I'll just bleep it. Yeah. So
01:25:05
>> complete is still going. Don't worry. >> Just leave it. >> When tech got like banned for the night.
01:25:17
>> That's so true. Right. Good one. I forgot about that. I do too. >> They're like, "Wow, I can picture."
01:25:24
>> And you had And then we started scrolling like no like I know this is a finite scroll
01:25:32
right now. Like that's >> damn that did happen. >> I remember reaching the end
01:25:37
>> crashed and I was like oh my god >> that was January. >> I remember walking out of a bar with
01:25:42
like my friend and he opens his phone and he goes, "Oh my god." >> Tik Tok is gone.
01:25:48
>> Yeah. It was like a >> Yeah. It kind of staggered because I remember I was still scrolling but my
01:25:52
friend stopped scrolling so they came over and watched me scroll for a little bit. January. Yeah, that was January.
01:25:57
>> Give me my dopamine. >> All the the video content was like this could be gone.
01:26:02
>> It was basically people saying like goodbye and where else to find me. >> Yeah.
01:26:06
>> Yeah. On Red Note >> and then >> I forgot about that. >> 12 hours later it was back.
01:26:14
>> It was all back. Yeah. The next day scrolling. >> Did it cross any of your minds? Because
01:26:18
it crossed my mind cuz I'm like logged into TikTok and you know all that stuff
01:26:21
on on my phone for like the Waveform podcast. Did it cross your minds that we should say goodbye
01:26:26
>> on Tik Tok? >> On Tik Tok? No, it didn't cross. >> We're not like Tik Tok native. I think
01:26:31
it was the Tik Tok creators, those who have no other channels anywhere who are like I need to like take these people
01:26:37
with me somewhere. Like the panic in the strategy of I'm just going to spam like
01:26:41
please go follow me on Instagram now was very real. >> We have a a diversified audience on a
01:26:47
couple platforms. Our Tik Tok going away would kind of suck but wouldn't be the
01:26:51
end of the world. So we didn't feel it need to say goodbye. Yeah, but it would
01:26:54
have been pretty wild if it went away. >> Yeah. Do a Lipa interviewing Tim Cook
01:26:58
was last year, right? >> Yeah. >> I guess that won't be on my >> I would have made it.
01:27:04
>> That's on my Mount Rushmore period. >> This year I interviewed Tim Cook and he
01:27:08
just didn't answer any of the questions. >> So >> that was this year.
01:27:12
>> Yeah. >> Oh my god. >> Really? I was like, "You want to do a
01:27:14
blind ranking of some Apple stuff?" And he was like, "What's that?" I was like,
01:27:17
"This is not going to work." >> The magic mouse. Yeah. >> Yeah.
01:27:24
>> I forget. >> That moment is on my Mount Rushmore this year. >> Yeah.
01:27:28
>> Where I could see the clip as it was happening. >> The ergonomics.
01:27:34
>> Ergonomics. >> Yeah. This year just felt like a bunch of nonsense to me. I don't know. Like
01:27:39
>> I It's hard for me to make my Mount Rushmore, you know? I like like Samsung
01:27:43
put out some really great stuff. >> Orange iPhone was great. You know, >> what did Samsung put out was good?
01:27:49
They're trying. Well, we don't know if it's good yet, but they did it. You
01:27:52
know, they said they said they were going to do it and they then they did it. They did Android XR goggles, too.
01:27:58
>> Yeah. You know, even even Meta said they were going to do a thing >> and they did it.
01:28:02
>> I have a hot take. >> They also >> It's cooking. >> Yeah. Honestly. Honestly, my Mount
01:28:08
Rushmore is all of the unsealed documents from the Meta lawsuit that Roy has reported on. I don't know if there's
01:28:14
four of them, but man, like >> there's definitely at least four. >> That's good.
01:28:17
>> Yeah. Um >> Yeah. And the Nintendo Switch 2. >> And the Nintendo Switch 2, a device I
01:28:22
don't own and I've never played. >> Yeah. >> But it there was a lot of hype for a lot
01:28:26
of months. >> Marquez, what's your hot take? We're also going to start the next year with
01:28:31
predictions again, but we will do that next episode in a couple weeks. But >> next, the week that
01:28:36
>> Oh, yeah. You're right. >> That's regularly scheduled. >> Yeah. In the new year.
01:28:40
>> I was just going to say Samsung ships a car in three years. >> Whoa.
01:28:44
>> Whoa. Where did that come from? What? Oh, >> Xiaomi just shipped a car.
01:28:48
>> Do you know something we don't? >> Yeah, but Xiaomi is Chinese.
01:28:51
>> Yeah. >> And China like pumps money into car companies. >> Yeah. Samsung's going to show up.
01:28:56
>> Samsung like owns >> They're also going to like collab. Yeah.
01:28:59
They have a lot of funding >> and they're they're going to collab.
01:29:02
They're going to scrap a bunch of stuff together, a bunch of metal, a bunch of
01:29:05
collaborative companies, and they're going to make a car. >> Do they're just going to collab with
01:29:07
Kia? >> Yeah, pick insert Korean. Yeah, sure. >> Yeah, but it'll have a Samsung logo
01:29:14
somewhere in there. Samsung sold their car division to Renault a bunch of years ago and it got rebranded to just Renault
01:29:22
Korea. They still have a minority stake in it, but it seems like Samsung's auto
01:29:25
business >> is now mostly a Renault thing and Gily also has a minority stake in it.
01:29:31
>> Did the twerking hamster in the uh did that happen this year? >> No, that was last year.
01:29:36
>> Really? >> I think that might have been two years ago. I think that might have been two
01:29:39
years ago. >> Bring it. >> That would have been on my Rushmore for me for sure. You know, I'm really hoping
01:29:44
I'm really hoping I get one more trivia point this year. It's been so long since
01:29:49
I got a point in trivia. It might have been before Thanksgiving last. >> Might have been when the Corgi was
01:29:54
twerking on the mini group. >> That's true. >> So, uh I say we do the trivia.
01:29:59
>> Trivia, dude. >> Trivia, dude. >> But first, Ellis has >> It's What's Okay,
01:30:06
>> it's us. >> Sorry, Ellis was just shaking the shaking. You're holding a computer with
01:30:12
two hands, Marquez. Wait, where'd your computer go? >> It's in my hand.
01:30:16
>> All I see is a phone. >> It's in my pocket now. >> Where' you?
01:30:19
>> Sorry. Sorry. >> It's time for Ellis to eat the bomb, >> guys. Okay, so as promised at the
01:30:25
beginning of the year, >> um I said live translation >> wasn't going to be a thing because every
01:30:31
tech company had been announcing it every year for the past decade. And lo and behold, the year I place my bet is
01:30:37
the year it all comes out. And so, as promised, >> I will be doing the bomb on a spoon. I
01:30:45
have with me some aids, a glass of milk, some extra toasty Cheezits, and string cheese. This is just what I ran and got
01:30:51
from the >> save you. >> There's some solidified stuff at the top. So, I'm just going to get get that
01:30:56
out of the way because I feel like that's going to be extra concentrated. >> My heart is like already racing.
01:31:04
>> I'm nervous for you. >> I've had to bomb before. Have I had it
01:31:07
raw on an empty stomach? No, it's like maybe an ulcer >> probably. >> It smells horrible.
01:31:16
>> It smells like battery acid. >> Yeah, it tastes like I'll just let you
01:31:20
experience it. >> You know what battery acid tastes like? >> It tastes like what you imagine battery
01:31:24
acid tastes like. I don't have to taste battery acid to tell people this tastes
01:31:27
like battery acid. You know, >> fair enough. >> Okay, just >> that is a whole dab.
01:31:32
>> Ladies and gentlemen, Ellis is being very brave right now. I was worried.
01:31:35
>> I'm worried. I'm worried. I'm gonna Am I allowed to Am I allowed to to coat my
01:31:39
palette with cheese at first? Not going to save you, bro. It's not going to help.
01:31:42
>> Is there anything Okay, I need like a safe word for you. Like, is there
01:31:46
something where like if you actually need >> once he does >> I don't know what am I supposed to do if
01:31:51
you like are going to die. >> They don't come after 7:00 p.m. >> Yeah.
01:31:54
>> So, I'm nervous. >> I will say I am a spicy food expert. >> And something I do know about spicy food
01:32:02
is that the trick is small bites and that is impossible on a spoon. So, I'm just going to touch this chopstick to my
01:32:08
tongue a few times as a ramp up and then we're going to dive in. >> No, the trick is a glass of water.
01:32:13
>> I apologize. I never apologize. That was the whole thing. I never apologize.
01:32:16
Computer programmers of the world, software developers, machine learning engineers, AI venture capitalists,
01:32:23
Apple, Google, Microsoft executives, Mag 7 employees. I'm sorry. I thought y'all were full of
01:32:32
I thought y'all were mad full of and taking billions of dollars from people who were also full of to sell people
01:32:39
stuff that didn't work. And uh I still think that's what's going on.
01:32:42
>> Welcome to America. >> I was wrong. >> Um and now I'm going to pay the price.
01:32:47
So let's get a little warm-up going. >> Do it. >> It doesn't work that way. It's just like
01:32:52
getting stabbed by a thousand tiny knives, basically. >> I thought I was smart.
01:32:57
>> Yeah, baby. >> Yeah. All right, give him the first question. >> Did you do it?
01:33:01
>> No. >> You should prepare exactly what you plan to say because I know it's going to be
01:33:05
hard to >> You can back out, Ellis. >> No. >> Out of my word. Thank you, Marquez.
01:33:09
>> You're in. >> I wrote down the answer already. >> Mhm. >> Oh, I forget the question. What was it?
01:33:16
Oh, you're going to say it. Is that the whole amount? >> Yep. >> It's enough.
01:33:21
>> He did it. >> Oh, >> he took a spoonful. >> Careful around the eyes.
01:33:27
>> Marcus Brownley. Andrew Mangadelli. >> Mhm. Yeah. >> David Mill.
01:33:30
>> It gets worse when you talk. >> Oh yeah. >> Yep. >> What three letters represent both a
01:33:36
Chinese tech conglomerate? >> No. Chinese tech conglomerate and an American blues guitar legend.
01:33:47
>> I don't usually do trivia from here. I can see Marquez's board. I was never going
01:33:54
to guess that, so I'm just not going to guess. >> Damn. I'm so sorry.
01:33:58
>> I've We've never done this before. >> Alice is at the big table and Andrew is
01:34:04
next to me at the producers table, which has a great view of Marquez's board. So,
01:34:08
that didn't work out. >> Didn't think about that one. >> I kind of thought that bomb was going to
01:34:11
be like too old, but uh >> Oh, it did say refrigerate after and it has been on our table unrefrigerated for
01:34:18
like two years. >> It seems like it's getting in pretty good though. >> Okay,
01:34:24
Marquez, what did you put? I put EC L. >> And what American Blues legend has got
01:34:29
the initials up? >> She's going for the middle. He's going for the middle.
01:34:35
>> I don't know. Tom Core. >> I don't know. I hadn't thought that far
01:34:40
ahead. >> David, what' you put? >> I put BBK. >> Okay, that's right.
01:34:53
>> David, what's the point? What? >> Jeez. >> What? What? Blues guitar legend.
01:34:59
>> BB King. >> BB King is correct. >> Good job. >> Thanks.
01:35:04
>> Can you play the after dark music or something? >> Wave for >> Yeah, baby.
01:35:15
>> I'm ready for the next one. >> Next question. >> Okay. What is the Scoville rating of the
01:35:22
bomb that Ellis just inhaled? >> And it's Delta. >> Answer. >> I don't know.
01:35:29
>> He's not gonna answer because he saw Marquez's board. >> Oh, and I had no answer.
01:35:33
>> Actually, I'm I'm changing. >> We're Are we doing Prices, right, or
01:35:38
Delta? >> Oh, we are doing Delta. Okay, cool. >> I prefer United. Just kidding. I don't.
01:35:46
>> Um, >> all right. We're good. Okay. >> Wait, real quick before we flip.
01:35:54
>> Am I wrong? >> Quick update on the score. Oh, >> Marquez has 10. David, after that
01:35:59
correct question, well, after that correct answer with 12, Andrew with 14. >> I need more.
01:36:04
>> All right, flip him and read. What do you got? >> Please be >> Oh my goodness.
01:36:08
>> Andrew, what' you say? >> Big range. >> 2.3 million. >> Marquez.
01:36:13
>> 835,000. David, >> how do I 35,000 minutes? Uh, 10,000. >> Y'all really going to make me do some
01:36:24
crazy math? >> Yeah. >> Is it like 1 point something? >> It's 135K.
01:36:29
>> That's what I wrote the first time. >> So, Marquez is closest.
01:36:32
>> Wait, wait, wait, wait. >> No, I'm further. Wait, no. David's
01:36:35
closest. >> You can even kind of see it. I wrote I thought it was 135,000 and I was right
01:36:41
and then I erased it and wrote 835,000. >> Well, I doubted myself. I almost nailed
01:36:47
it. >> Never doubt yourself, Marquez. Never doubt yourself. >> It's going to be a whole year before I
01:36:51
get a point. >> This is tough. >> All right, Ellis, how are you doing over
01:36:55
there? >> Uh, actually pretty good. It's just my lips at this point. I mean, I say that
01:36:59
and then I'm sure it's going to come back. It also like >> it will on the toilet later.
01:37:03
>> It somehow regardless is in my nose. Didn't touch my nose. But um >> that's a wrap.
01:37:11
>> That's hot, man. >> Congrats on on keeping it to your word. Hopefully hopefully the bets that we
01:37:16
make next year are >> No, I already know. Next year, none of those humanoid robots are coming out.
01:37:22
And and if if one of them does, I'm doing this again, baby. >> I love it. Do it do two of them next
01:37:28
time. >> If one of them comes out. >> Okay, that's perfect. I like that.
01:37:31
That's a great place to end it. >> The humanoid robot can serve you the
01:37:34
spoonful of last. Yeah, that's actually that's what we'll do if if one of these
01:37:38
humanoid robots actually comes out and it actually works. >> That robot can come on the show and
01:37:44
spoon me another >> man >> to bomb >> from the same bottle. It
01:37:49
>> smells so bad even from here. Please take us out. Thanks for watching. Thanks
01:37:53
for listening for all of 2025. Uh see you on the other side. 2026 is going to be sick.
01:37:58
>> Do it. >> Except for next week's episode. We'll also >> one more bonus episode next week.
01:38:02
>> Yeah. Play After Dark 3. >> There's a third one. >> Waveform is produced by Adam Molina and
01:38:09
Ellis Roven. We're part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. >> We're uh uh Vain Still wrote the music.
01:38:15
This has been 2025 on Waveform. Let's get it. >> Whoops. Just fade to black.
01:38:32
All right, for this clip's outro, Ellis is going to be taking another hit of the
01:38:36
bomb. Ellis, where'd you go?