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foreign people of the internet welcome back to another episode of the waveform podcast we're your hosts I'm Marquez I'm Andrew and I'm David and Adam and Ellis are
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here but they may be replaced by AI soon so just say hi to them at least one more time
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we'll have a story about that we'll figure out if that's real or not hi um hi Adam Hi Ellis bye guys
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bye Alice uh we also have uh two more wildly overdue Tech features this seems to be a theme but also uh the Lucid SUV a little bit of a quick thoughts on seeing that start to get teased and then
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of course we have this shoe launch to talk about sort of just the experience of being on the other side of where I normally am which is embargo happens I
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publish my review all the other reviews come out and product managers are starting to freak out because of all the
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reviews this time I am the product manager and all the reviews come out at the same time or at least all the people's thoughts on the thing that I made and it's just the very different
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feeling so we'll talk about that uh first though we have Galaxy s24 rumors um this one is actually interesting because it's whenever we talk about batteries it's always incremental I've said this a
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thousand times but what was a good battery life in a phone uh 10 years ago like oh all day would be pretty nice now what's a good battery life in a phone in 2023
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all day it would be nice so but the phones do so much more that it's like I think we forget or we don't really
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appreciate how much better batteries we've gotten where now we have literally 5 000 milliamp hour batteries in pocket
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size phones and that was unheard of a long time ago uh so this new rumor is Galaxy s24 may use stacked a new stacked
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Battery Technology that's borrowed from EVS which may give us maybe a 10 Improvement in battery density which
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again is just incremental 10 is 10 but again going from 5500 to 6000 milliamp hours is more battery for us so I'll take it it's kind of cool it's at the
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point where like batteries are big enough that a 10 on number wise like going from 5000 to 5500 is like
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legitimately something that's pretty decent yeah like like Tech nerds online will be like 5500 is way better than
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like that's a good number yeah yeah like smart watches often have like a 170 milliamp hour battery yeah so like 10 of
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that's gonna feel like look like nothing but like yeah we're at the point now we're 10 this is a solid chunk and then
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back at phone screens and processors are getting more efficient so you add 10 more battery yeah all of that with more
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efficient components and maybe you'll get all day plus a half day that is kind of nice some phones are capable of that yeah it's kind of just like we smart phones are so capable that
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I much more appreciate the efficiency gains than the peak power gains because like if a phone can do everything that I
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want it to and in those crazy extreme scenarios of like maxing out frame rate in certain games people love the
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benchmarks and like oh let me see three more five more FPS cool but I want to see like Snapdragon hn2 having better
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standby time being able to throttle down faster when it knows it can ltpo display is going all the way down to one Hertz
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like I wanna I want my phone to last yeah even though it's super powerful so yeah give me more battery that sounds
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great yeah and just clarify this is different than like the one plus two separate batteries that are like just to
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increase charging this is actually the way the battery cells are stacked inside of the battery so you're getting 10 more
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battery out of the same size I do Wonder though do we think that necessarily means going the 10 more or leaving more
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room for components or smaller sizes of phones right bigger batteries and bigger phones and smaller batteries well
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it's supposed to potentially come out in the s24 ultra first which I doubt they will make smaller did it sit or battery
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it said that right or a bigger camera module yeah it's awesome who doesn't need five more macro cameras I mean the
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s24 ultra I could see them going with a 1.0 type sensor finally so if that's the
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case then they are going to need more room for that anyway yeah I for some reason as much as I would like the 10
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more battery capacity I feel like we're just going to get same battery capacity something else in it yeah that's often
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what they do when they come up with these new improvements they're like we're not making it better but yeah we
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use that extra room to put in a better haptic motor and more Cooling and a little bit extra something something
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else yeah bigger cameras more decks yeah it is funny in product decisions so now
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I'm thinking like a product manager because we just did this whole uh this whole shoe thing every product is just a
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a culmination of trade-offs basically so you can decide to just use that improved technology to have more battery in your
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phone but also batteries are these really complex things that require insulation and Cooling and you also have
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to think about charging speed and if they charge faster then they take up more space because of the cooling required to charge faster and so do you
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use that improved density to have the same size battery but that charges faster and takes up a little more space
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or if your Samsung you're like 45 watts is okay we don't really feel like chasing 100 200 watt lots of xiaomi or
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whatever we'll keep it 45 Watts but we'll use extra density for more capacity instead there's all there's a
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ton of choices you can make yeah and at the end of the day we'll get the phone and we'll review the choices they made but yeah I think I'll take 10 more
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battery I just want capacity I just want phones that last longer I agree with you like you said like our phones still do
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so many things they're already fast enough they're already doing all this stuff just like make it last longer I
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mean and take this technology and then also like we've talked about being okay with phones being a little thicker to go
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up to the camera bump please so now yeah add that extra battery plus being able to jam more battery into it yeah we
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could be looking at six seven thousand milliamp hour battery like the uh the xiaomi 13 Ultra yeah that design yeah if
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can you have it with you I don't should I grab it grab it okay I have not seen it yet yeah let me show you one eternity
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later oh whoa I got it here's the phone uh okay this xiaomi 13 Ultra has this shape you're gonna talk about it it's got like two levels of uh
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thickness exactly so for the audio listeners it's not just like a flat back on the back you know how the Galaxy S21
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had that sort of like Smooth granular lift to get up to the camera bump yeah this does sort of the same thing but then there's also the camera bump but the reason is because it has a 1.0 type
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sensor so they need to have a bigger image Circle to project onto the sensor and so you've got this like lip that's
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on top of the actual back of the phone it's the entire top half of the phone yeah so why so my thing is like if
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you're gonna do stacked batteries then you don't even have to do this lip you can just make it true yeah which I mean
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I think it it's cool how it looks but if they're just like they can make the phone thicker people are not good it is interesting like I do think they could
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just keep that the whole way out my guess is they're they're seasoning for this is underneath that lip it's thinner
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which is mostly where your fingers are so it still feels like a thinner phone although that still looks like a thick foam it is a thick so here's a here's a
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sort of a thought like remember when we had that era of like phones Getting Thinner and taller and thinner yeah and
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that Moto Z came out oh my God it was like four minutes and there was a little bit of magic to them going on stage and being like look at how razor thin this gadget is we're
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clearly trending towards like these impossibly thin devices and there's a little bit of magic to like how
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impressive that was but like what's the use but there is no use yeah it's just aesthetic and I think that we kind of
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realized that there is a point of diminishing return interest in how thin a phone can be and we got to it it's
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like if it fits in my hand and it's not weirdly weighted and top heavy it's thin enough yeah I'm not like going around
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waving around my phone like look how thin it is so it's fine I do feel like the Asus RG phones are a little thick
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for those people yeah but they do have 6 000 million dollar batteries and I mean it they probably only feel thick because
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regular phone are thinner so if we start getting people more used to slightly thicker and thicker phones like if Apple
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ever actually released that iPhone for 15 Ultra which is not going to happen but if they did and they made it thicker
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because I had better battery and more rug and whatever I feel like people would start to adapt to phones being thicker in general I mean I even think
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some of the last couple generations of iPhones feel a bit thicker just because of the squared off edges so like people
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are clearly okay with that like imagine now Apple goes back to having curved edges but they're the same radius of the
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squared off edges now but then the back is just a little bigger and it has a bigger battery I feel exactly the same for it a little bit yeah you're
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literally going to have to do that if you keep making bigger sensors anyway it's it's going to be a thing where
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you're going to have to either have a bump or you could just add more battery capacity so at this point just add the
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battery capacity this phone has this 13 Ultra has a 5 000 milliamp hour battery it's great it's a really good phone and
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a really good display and really good cameras and all that it all fits on the phone but yeah
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the more you look at it the more interesting it is there's so many extra lines going on here yeah like even all
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the way down to the non-stacked edge yeah the thinner part it still gets a b-roll in there for them yeah
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audio listeners it's a pretty aesthetically good looking phone I like it a lot it's very different it is
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literally top heavy when you hold it the 12 Ultra was also really pretty so I'm glad that they kept up with that the 12
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Ultra was a unique looking phone I wouldn't say pretty it was pretty brutalist wasn't it am I picturing the
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same phone that's Ultra holy moly this gets too much light oh the 12s Ultra I'm thinking
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of the 11. you're thinking of the 11 Ultra that one yeah the 11 Ultra was the square yeah the life on the back of this
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yeah that one that was a situation that pretty okay the 12 Ultra yeah it's better looking I like how 3.2 x is the
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second lens it's not just 3x it's 3.2 very specific yeah okay we're a little off track but uh wow this gets so much light that it's actually Overexposed that does not
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happen very often on phones yeah crazy I mean we're in a very well-lit podcast studio so yeah I'm gonna steal this
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actually review it just so you know so be careful all right so yeah I'm hoping s24 Ultra
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gets a battery bump the stack Battery tech seems like pretty cool also the fact that it comes from EV is like EVS
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the number one thing we're trying to do with those is get better more capacity that's where the development and the
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front lines of like battery chemistry yeah is happening a lot so we love to see it yeah this is used in the uh Audi
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e-tron QE is it I think it's out starting at 74k oh I've seen that so it has a 285 mile range so that's not great it's not great that doesn't necessarily mean that they're
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good at converting battery to range yeah it does have 114 kilowatt hour battery though which I think is I'm not good at bad yeah I was like these that's a fairly large battery that's fairly large there's like three main factors when it
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comes to like determining how good your range will be one is literally how big of a battery cell can you fit in like how much density can you fit which the
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answer is 114 for this one two is how well can you convert that energy to driving power you know drivetrain
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efficiency electric Drive fans are pretty efficient but it's still the variable and three is uh how
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aerodynamically efficient and just space efficient can your car be so if you build a new EV from the ground up you
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can generally fit a larger battery and and go further on a charge where if you just put a battery into a car that's built to be a gas car you won't be able to fit as much battery in there yeah so
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all these things combine I'm sure Audi's somewhere in the middle on that Spectrum but yeah we see uh we see a lot of that
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I'll I'll save that rant for another day yeah but yeah we we also have a little bit of AI podcast editing yeah I think I showed you guys both saw me post this on slack
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yeah the other day right the AI podcast editing tool I was probably an Iceland it was last night I was probably asleep
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it was probably your birthday wow I forgot to mention that everyone wish David a happy birthday I basically dust
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now that makes me feel terrible but uh so it's like I'll explain it to David and the listeners um because Adam and Ellis definitely both saw this a little are sweet we are
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very aware um there's this new tool called autopod which is an Adobe Premiere plug-in and
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it can essential name is threatening it's pretty it's very threatening and it's very accurate because you can take
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your Adobe timeline sync each separate camera for like a podcast with audio and once it's synced you take open up the plugin label each voice and then it'll
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essentially go through the entire timeline and cut to whichever camera is currently talking I'm honestly surprised
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that wasn't already a thing because that doesn't seem like that's that it strikes me as something that could get built
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into Premiere tomorrow yeah they started working on it yeah and so it can change the camera cuts and then not only do
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that if it senses more than one person talking and you have a wide angle it'll switch to the wide and just Auto cut the
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whole thing so even if it's not perfect like losing that and just getting to run it
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all watch it make small adjustments here and there yeah that seems right pretty wild we should definitely try it I do
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wonder if it actually saves time based on Adobe exporting times afterwards um are you actually getting any faster
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because you're waiting 10 times longer for an adobe export but yeah I mean if it makes Adam do his like be able to do
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his job that much faster then we can just make more stuff it'll be way faster because I'll be unemployed so we make
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all these jokes but that's obviously not good yeah Adam it's called Fun employed way too much we already did a human
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skill versus AI thing remember Yeah Tim go up against and that was early Dolly and early Dolly yeah speaking of we we are going to be doing something like that soon with a different AI plug-in
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Ellis is currently working on a video right now right yeah should we spoil that or just don't spoil too much
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concept here's what I'll say is the initial draft of the video video was going to be Ellis versus AI as far as like audio restoration and cleanup and
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stuff and I got started writing it I started playing with the tools and uh I've I've
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already uh lost um we've we've put out three videos now that I did with AI and and no one even had anything or noticed
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so uh hmm so I don't know if the competition we're still doing the video the video is like chugging along the
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script's almost done yeah um but it's not going to be the that's I'm not gonna go head to head like Tim did it's really
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interesting it's it's also because the how perceivable the result is is very different based on the medium yeah like Tim is creating an entire new image from scratch and it's very Visual and you get
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to look at this thing that Dolly made and that Tim made where if we're just tweaking or editing the way something
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sounds to a lot of people that's more subtle and so it could pass more yeah and I and I could probably point out and
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be like oh did you hear that see that that's the AI but I think I mean it's it's proven you know we get tens of
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thousands of comments on every video and uh and no one was like this sounds different yeah I mean that that is a
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good test I think that's kind of what we did Mariah probably edited like three main Channel videos before because we
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don't announce new hires for three months I think she had three full videos on the channel and not a single person
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noticed an editing difference and that is like the perfect test to be like wow this worked really well I do want to say
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Adobe if you're listening I'm looking down into the camera if you're listening give me access to Adobe podcast I've
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signed up for the waitlist on every email I have I'm out of emails just just give me it just make more emails we need
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to try it we definitely need to try it yeah I'm trying to make this video dog well between autopod and this audio
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editing stuff if you are a white male in your 30s and you're sad that you don't have a podcast like all your friends do
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don't worry man it's gonna get real easy real soon I just saw a really great tweet I want to find it because it's we
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keep talking about how like AI tools are like borderline replacing humans and then here's this video uh that I believe
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was created entirely from AI it's a pizza Commercial oh no and it's it's written by AI voiced by Ai and video by AI is the text by AI everything the text
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the whole thing my AI as far as I can tell it feels that way anyway and the caption is AI is now indistinguishable from reality it's hard to believe but this ad was AI generated it's not real
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the future is here I'm gonna play it for you guys all right oh God it already looks like the Will Smith eating spaghetti yeah the guy's eyes are just
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dead are you ready for best pizza of Life bring friends down to pepperoni hugspot oh
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chefs make pizza with heart and Special Touch because arm is on fire pepperoni vegetable and more secret things I need
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delivery pizzas come fast knock knock who's there pizza Magic thank you your mouth's safe it's a Pizza Hut building like family
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it's the Pizza Hut fun it's like family but I love cheese I do like that as a tagline
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are you ready for bets Pizza of life it's pretty was it wait what was the name of it pepperoni hug spot yes that's a band name right there that's that's a
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jam band in Brooklyn Peppers we'll put this one in the show notes but the idea is yeah the AI tools aren't
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like full-on replacing people at what people do but as far as helping people do what people do they're really good
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yeah ultimately we make the joke about like taking over Adam and Ellis's job but It ultimately just makes it way
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easier and then there's more stuff we can do with the free time yeah I could just tell jokes like what did one dinner
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plate say to the other dinner plate what dinner is on me [Music] that's pretty good can I ask you guys an AI question I'm just out of carry out so I've been do
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using chat GPT for a lot of researchy assistant e sort of business I've been running into this problem lately where I ask it a question and it responds very
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confidently yeah like yep that's the answer and then I say hey can you send me your sources for that nope well it'll
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send me links and they're all broken oh like all of them so they're generated links uh yeah I'm I and yeah it's not like I can never even find the correct link like it's almost like it's making
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up URLs that's possible like you click the link and it goes I get 404 on the verge website and then if you put the keywords in the URL in the verge's search box nothing yeah there's nothing
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I'm using chat GPT indeed yeah if you were using Bing it would cite sources chat gbt does not have the ability because when I use I guess I should use bang then because
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when I tried it with Bard Bard was just like I'm not giving you sources it was just like no I've only gotten barred to give me a
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source once yeah very few times as Bard given me and that's when it chooses that's our whole thing was to post
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sources every single time you do a Bing search it gives you three plus sources wait
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Bart does not have that no it always offers to Google search whatever your query was and rate positively or negatively the response you got but it very rarely actually decides to
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sometimes give you a source yeah randomly I've gotten it once well guys I'm uh I'm downloading Microsoft Edge
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it's happening I know that happened to me too I I honestly you should you need to be something yeah that happened to me it happened it could happen to you yeah you should be
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really careful for what you like for information and fact-based things don't trust me no I know I was hoping it would it would just sort of like point me in the right direction yeah you know
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and like scrape the internet for like the one he's Bing he's being well do I need to have Edge yeah right now yeah for the chat feature yeah yeah it happened to me too
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[Laughter] it happened to you you know where your kids are yeah Jimmy that's too much toolbars
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okay speaking of things that happened way too late uh this is kind of a theme no this is remember last week we had what would you do it was the most overdue Tech feature yes
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ever and it was print screen being the Snippets yeah snippet tool I love that you printed out your mom's text I didn't Mariah printed it out for me it was so funny this year this week we have an
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even more overdue test feature I think two of them two that are legitimately a decade after this should have happened yeah I'm not exaggerating when I say a decade I mean actually 10 years after
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they should have happened yeah the first one at least the first one Google Authenticator adding sync now just for those of you
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who don't know who aren't aware of how bad good but bad Google Authenticator is lots of waves of please use an
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authenticator app have happened over the internet's history where you realize oh SMS two factor is better than not
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two-factor but really easily sort of hackable socially engineered you can kind of get through that and so we
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recommend you use an Authenticator app yeah and for years I've used Google Authenticator and the problem with Google Authenticator is you can only sign into your Google Authenticator app
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with your Google account on one phone at a time the worst possible thing ever for Tech reviewers not bad for regular
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people but if you're a tech reviewer who uses maybe two phones during the course of the year but this is you accidentally
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like stopped using one phone and you can't log into your accounts it's a pretty big it's also terrible for
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regular people yeah because when you upgrade your phone if you forget to de-authenticate it or if you break your phone or if you're
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yeah I've heard of a lot of people who like lost their phone or broke their phone and it was just like welp yeah GG
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you just lost every account that you have that was supposed to be authenticated through Google authentication that happened yeah Adam
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no longer ever has access to Uber ever again yeah so they I think I genuinely believe that there's like uh someone who runs some department at Google who just
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forgot that they had an authenticator app and they just went oh yeah should we have an authentication like we sent the
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feature code in for review and just like forgot to review it and found it yeah on their like old their old desktop folder
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on their computer and like I was supposed to push this 10 years they like open up an old laptop like oh yeah I had a feature thing I was gonna work on and
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now Google Authenticator has added sync so you can sign into Google Authenticator from your Google account
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on more than one device at the same time and I just want to know not just 10 years Google Authenticator was create
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did September 20th 2010 so 13 years that's a long time you know what Android was made 2008 yeah so so this is legitimately one of the
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most overdue features ever I actually switched to authy because I got so tired of like not having the ability to just
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open whatever phone and log in uh and so Google you're just a little too late just a little too late to have me keep
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using it but you're probably like literally a decade too late for a lot of as the who doesn't like change I'm still using it so there's really paid
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off for me it'll be great it'll be much safer for you yeah you can drop your phone in the toilet and not get logged
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out of every account you own yeah which is great uh so that's the one Google Authenticator adding sync yeah the other
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is WhatsApp renowned crowd favorite WhatsApp uh now supports do you use it I I do use WhatsApp uh on One phone because I have some contacts that use
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WhatsApp uh it now supports Multi-Device login I'm going to scoot over so David could have the whole I just can't remember this one picture this picture this if you logged into WhatsApp on one
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phone and then you let's say had another phone you couldn't log in to WhatsApp on
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that phone without booting yourself out of WhatsApp on the other phone yeah one at a time you you miss and then also it
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uh you have to back up all of your chats yeah or they disappear or they disappear so if you don't back it up to your
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Google drive because it's not even through your WhatsApp account that it gets backed up it gets backed up to Google Drive then you have to download
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all of your WhatsApp messages onto your new device yeah and it was single device only plus like one web browser or
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something and that didn't work if you were switching ecosystems so if you're going from Android to iOS I think they
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just made it start working yeah recently yeah so recently they've been whatsapp's been adding a lot of features that they
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should have had a long time ago um but I just got I just gotta say is the most frustrating thing for me in the universe that WhatsApp has become the de facto messaging app for the planet is it
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just because it's a bad app it's many things it's bad it's many things it's really bad yeah number one wait can I
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pause you right there this is gonna be the most engaged podcast we've I know dumping on WhatsApp making fun of
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Microsoft Edge I can read all the comments and we're not even at the first time I'm just like if you ever used a a
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separate messaging client like telegram that is like insanely feature-rich works on as many devices as possible syncs
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well like has a desktop client and a web client the thing I mean specifically for
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Tech reviewers WhatsApp was extremely terrible because you would switch phones and you would forget to back up your chats yeah and then you just lose
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everything we we actually a couple years ago like a bunch of tech reviewers we all had this like thing where we told
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all the pr people hey we're not using Whatsapp anymore because we keep losing all our messages we're on telegram now
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if you want to contact us go to Telegram and it actually worked nice so I have a I have like a lot of people on telegram
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now so uh join telegram that's great um but okay so number one was that it's bad
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right number two it's owned by meta like come on small detail it's it's uh yeah I
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I so I use obviously a bunch of different phones during the year which is not normal but I have an Android phone in my right pocket and iPhone in
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my left pocket and as we know iPhone Android phones like we go through a lot of them as we review them and we switch
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our whole life over to them and it would be incredibly annoying to refresh my entire WhatsApp history every time I
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review a new Android phone so I keep WhatsApp on my iPhone because at least that phone's in my pocket for a whole
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year before I test the next iPhone yeah yeah but still every new iPhone to go through this whole process and I
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didn't back it up I lost my chats every time because I just like get the new phone set it up and it's just sign into
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everything so I sign into WhatsApp and it's fresh and then the other ones goes by and then it just loses everything so
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these are these are overdue features I would say on a scale of the most overdue Google authenticated Google Authenticator yeah uh then you know probably a toss-up
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between print screen and WhatsApp I feel like print screen might be longer overdue but
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but I just window shift s was there the whole time I'm just a so maybe the WhatsApp is a more important
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I think WhatsApp is the more important feature yeah and it's up to four devices so that's at least better better I fully
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understand that it this is a much bigger problem for like Tech reviewers who switch phones a lot yes but still
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um and it's just a it's a it's a numbers thing the amount of people that have everyone else on WhatsApp have
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everyone else on WhatsApp and that's just the thing it's just the way it is yeah so anyway get off WhatsApp get your
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family off WhatsApp good luck you're not going to that's okay it's gonna take way more effort than you thought and you're
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just gonna end up using Whatsapp anyway I know sorry yeah I just use SMS just use RCs and that's where we'll take a break and we'll take a break we'll do a trivia
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question and we'll we'll be back after that but let's do some trivia back in person for some trivia you missed the lights didn't you I did okay all right to make myself even more
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irrelevant uh chat GPT wrote this question wait that means the answer is not no I fact checked it okay yeah okay
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um uh let me rephrase that Chachi BT wrote this question and then I rewrote it to make it you know in my fun game
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show personality that's the Synergy we need with AI thank you um in 1994 IBM combined the PDA and the
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mobile phone into one device creating what is widely considered to be the first smartphone on top of having a 4.7 inch touchscreen it also had email fax
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and pager capabilities what was the name of this device that threw me off 1994 is crazy but no no 94. 94 yeah oh I think it's at 84. 94
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is a long time ago yeah okay all right and with that we're going to break foreign
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today all right we're back let's talk about a an EV well it's a it's a bit of a tease of an EV it's the Lucid gravity SUV we were just talking Andrew about
00:31:25
the stealth wrap that they put on these things when they're like teasing it but they don't want to show you what it looks like yet so they wrap it in like a
00:31:30
stealth wrap and the idea is to mask some of the lines and the new things so when we saw the the new Tesla facelift
00:31:36
for example they'd actually wrap up the front and the back so you don't see what's new but you know they're testing something new this one is just like
00:31:43
they're rolling around with testing it literally says like follow us Lucid Motors on Instagram Facebook and Twitter
00:31:49
uh we kind of know that they're working on an SUV yeah so we knew they were working on an SUV and Lucid came out and
00:31:54
said you might start seeing some of their testing because they're on public roads testing it now and these are some
00:32:00
spy shots whatever you want to call them Someone caught it on a road it looks like a very rural road so horse did like
00:32:06
a whole teaser is maybe this is that then um it looks very spy shoddy though because they're not great photos and are kind of tilted but um but yeah the wrap on it is really not hiding any lines and
00:32:18
has a big follow us at Lucid motors with like a Facebook page and a Twitter page but uh I first thoughts on this I think
00:32:27
it looks really good I think these photos yeah it really looks like a taller Lucid air I mean the arrow had an aesthetic already which was very Squat and now it looks tall and it looks more
00:32:38
natural to be taller like an SUV yeah and I think if you haven't seen this photo yet but you know what the Lucid air looks like that's a great way to
00:32:45
describe it but once I saw this I more want to say that the Lucid air looks like a squished version of the Lucid
00:32:51
gravity because I think the Lucid gravity looks way better like I think lucid's design style fits better in this
00:32:57
taller SUV form factor than the smaller I what do you guys think like we've talked about the Lucid air I love it hayato says it's the worst designed car like in the world he absolutely hates it
00:33:08
I think it looks good I dig it I think cat was around different for sure the air we can make fun of him when he's not
00:33:14
in the room the air is uh it can grow on you it definitely doesn't look like other EVS I don't love the two-tone and some of their colorways are pretty Buick
00:33:26
you know like beige old school I think of the like Sebring because with the like soft top convertible yeah I think
00:33:33
they're trying to be more like my Bach two-tone and like iconic in their own way but EV so you know it's Unique
00:33:39
obviously I agree I think this this taller version looks better as an SUV I just know it's going to be expensive
00:33:46
because it's Elusive and this is what they do so like the if you just take the equivalent Tesla Model S
00:33:53
every Lucid error that matches is like 30 more expensive so actually even more right now a plaid is 105 Grand and a GT performance is 180 Grand oh man and the
00:34:06
sapphire that's not even out yet is 250 Grand so if you're going to compare this to a
00:34:11
model X which is like 10 15K more than the model S you're thinking this is 190. It's a base maybe I mean if it's if if they're smart it won't be 190 but it
00:34:24
probably will be easy in the six figures for the base version of this thing uh crazy but it will probably be really
00:34:31
really firm it will probably be really well made it would probably be really fast and we'll probably have lots of
00:34:36
storage because Lucid did that really well with the with the cars yeah true yeah I mean I think this is gonna I
00:34:42
think it looks great from this the one thing that worries me since there is a wrap around it how glossy like the
00:34:48
quote-unquote grill might be it does look like there's a little lip in there so maybe the whole front trunk pops up
00:34:54
do you know how like the Ford F-150 versus the rivian front trunk yeah is like uh way deeper it's deeper it's not
00:35:00
just that it's deeper it's that the front access to it like the rivian you have to go up and over a lip it's like a
00:35:07
hub yeah exactly like a big tub you look down in and then the F-150 the TR the hood goes between the lights so when it picks up there's like a slow into it like a shelf this looks like that might
00:35:18
kind of be like that between the lights maybe that's where the the trunk picks up but there's also another line so maybe just that headlights look pretty
00:35:25
good on this too the headlights look so good man yeah it looks way better in this than like smushed down in the sedan
00:35:31
style yeah um I think that the reason they're making this is pretty obvious these sell
00:35:37
more like the there's a famous Lamborghini story where like they're they're selling a couple hundred cars a
00:35:43
year and then they come out with the Urus which is an SUV and then America goes oh finally I can buy a Lamborghini
00:35:49
and not be lacking back seats and that thing basically kept their business afloat like the Urus is the most common
00:35:55
thing they sell if you look at Porsche sales numbers I'm sure the cayenne and the Macan are probably half their sales
00:36:01
that's like how they make their money in the US so Lucid notoriously struggling to make money selling very very
00:36:08
expensive car cars if they want to make some more money and stay afloat they should at least offer an SUV and America
00:36:14
can decide if they want to buy this one too I mean yeah Americans love giant cars if you can't absolutely destroy
00:36:20
something walking through a crosswalk we don't really want it so like loose is on the right track I was just gonna say when I was in Iceland last week I saw
00:36:27
one total F-150 yes like when I was in Texas I saw one every minute yeah yeah there are a lot of jeeps there and there's like a lot of off-road vehicles but F-150s are like very American yeah
00:36:43
yeah yeah yeah yeah so yeah a lot of like off-roadish vehicles and then a lot of really tiny cars like citrons well
00:36:49
yeah and Iceland like a lot of people doing it there's all those different travel agencies where you rent like some sort of semi off-roading thing to drive
00:36:56
around right and go into all the different I rented a Jeep and got it stuck in the mud nice that's pretty classic though that's what you got to do
00:37:02
yeah exactly did you guys see the Lucid like carplay video that I tweeted yeah so there's this video If you haven't
00:37:08
seen it uh of we we mentioned this in a previous episode but Lucid finally caved and added Wireless carplay to the Lucid
00:37:16
air and if you do enable it it's this it's like this little square cut out on the second screen and it it's just boom
00:37:23
you got carplay on this little window on the screen and the reason that's weird is because the second screen in the
00:37:28
Lucid is like a flat 90 degrees on one side and then the other side curves down almost like a like dolphin fin yeah
00:37:35
inside yeah so for the longest time Lucid did not offer Android auto or carplay it's their own software they
00:37:40
tried to do everything navigation car features charging all that stuff and you know people keep asking for carplay so
00:37:47
they finally caved and did it uh partially probably because they're a little desperate well because 80 of
00:37:52
people wouldn't buy a car without cars clearly yes this is the everyone knows as a fact of like 80 uh and you look at
00:38:00
this video and there is a reason why but it is unbelievably ugly it's so slow first of all because turns out there's a bug with carplay where if you're recording video with your iPhone and
00:38:11
that iPhone is also casting for wireless carplay it will perform terribly so as he goes through the menu it's just like stuttering and slow because he's recording on the iPhone that's using
00:38:22
carplay but even just that's not fair I didn't realize that that's a problem with like carplay but that's just also
00:38:29
like it's it's just bad I guess that scenario should never really be happening though recording video on the phone that's sending carplay you should be able to do that I think is
00:38:40
that a hot take hand your hand your iPhone to your passenger okay I'm glad you I'm glad you said that part but you
00:38:46
should be able to take a video I feel like it's or a picture you're driving past something like Niagara Falls you're
00:38:51
like oh my man like take a picture uh we're gonna set the next navigation point real quick but take a video of Niagara Falls as we pass by and suddenly
00:38:57
your car play is like crawling to a halt oh that just happens that's just the way it is I think it should be hot take the
00:39:03
iPhone's powerful enough to fix that I think I should be able to film other people while I'm driving yeah your phone
00:39:09
should be whatever the idea I'm just looking at this video I'm just like the the way they cut this window into that
00:39:15
like arced display it's just like it's such a it looks like an afterthought for sure and it just reminded me again why I don't think car companies are very good at making software yeah even if they are
00:39:27
a California startup they're still not great at it yeah I feel like there's got to be some way to just be like here's
00:39:33
the square but like match the background because in that video or a different no no think it was that video he was like
00:39:39
well if you set the background of everything to Black it looks less yeah but you can still totally tell the
00:39:45
problem is is since the bottom left corner is a perfect right angle it fits perfectly there but then the top starts
00:39:51
curving so you can see the curve go over with the background that's not carplay connect to the corner of the square that
00:39:58
is carpet useless and then continue to go over into another triangle you know what's interesting to me you remember
00:40:03
last year at WWDC when Apple did their biggest vaporware thing they've done in a long time and they were like carplay
00:40:10
is now going to be in every car and we're gonna make it a platform that you can build on top of and then literally
00:40:16
nothing and that's zero in that demo it was like it was taking over like seven different totally random screens on the car and like flowing perfectly it had like your calendar up on over in the
00:40:27
passenger seat he had a call and it had the map and you're and that was a year ago because wwc is about to happen again
00:40:32
and we have seen not one single thing no cars and that was like that was like 20 to 30 minutes the presentation I was
00:40:39
fascinated by that and you know what that just reminded me of the this one this one up seleucid the worst ever carplay implementation I've ever seen
00:40:46
and that is the Ferrari 296 GTB if you do car play in the Ferrari the Ferrari only has one screen which is your tachometer your speed and
00:40:58
everything and if you do car play on the Ferrari you know your attack disappears you just have our plan in the middle
00:41:05
it's just like big icons and your speedometer is gone which which you know in a Ferrari it doesn't
00:41:12
matter it's dangerous in a Ferrari to not have a speedometer no it doesn't matter how fast you're going if you're driving a Ferrari you're gonna get
00:41:17
pulled over anyway very quickly lose track I'm really gonna take that out of my list of next cars to buy yeah that's crazy if you were thinking about getting
00:41:24
that car just know that carplay disappears your attack holy hell yeah and then also in in that Apple thing
00:41:31
what they saying like your Speedo will be in car play your attack will be in car like yeah but now
00:41:36
it's just like yeah it would have been in that car it would have been really interesting yeah if you could fully take
00:41:42
over the display and show me the range show me the speed show me the things that the attack was going to show me
00:41:47
yeah and car place well that was the idea right it was supposed to be like every EV manufacturer makes different
00:41:53
kinds of screens and they're different shapes and so then you can like kind of build on top of carplay to add your own elements and all this stuff but like I
00:42:00
think that pole star and maybe maybe Volvo or something which is pollstar where like the only manufacturers that they said they had on board and then they also just never did anything well but and it's even interesting those are
00:42:13
automotive too yeah it makes sense because they're doing so have car play now and that makes sense because they're doing Android automotive so it's going
00:42:20
to be a screen that's already similar to like what and like car player are looking for which are rectangles yeah
00:42:27
it's just like right this is this comes back to also when we talked to RJ about like why do you not do car play in the
00:42:33
rivian and his answer was well we want to control everything and that makes sense uh probably because if you do have
00:42:40
weird size screens like the Lucid you don't really want to make it look horrible with carplay and now do we see
00:42:46
what that looks like but also like the rivian has two rectangular screens yeah which is perfect for why not just have
00:42:51
an option yeah I don't know I want to be Tesla I guess brought me to this question of would you rather though have
00:42:58
a poor looking carplay or Android automotive or just none at all like if you had a bad looking like I see that lucid and it looks terrible but if I had to Lucid I would still use car Planet
00:43:09
because I think carplay Maps or Android automotive Maps or Waze is just better it depends on how slow and glitchy the
00:43:17
built-in one is exactly it depends on how bad the built-in is okay let's say it works fine looks bad but you still
00:43:23
get like you get your ways and everything like that like I I couldn't imagine buying a rivian like I really
00:43:29
want a review but I would be so sad buying a rivian and then having to buy a car mount to put my phone with Waze yeah
00:43:35
next to this giant capable screen common thing I see in Tesla Model 3s is someone putting like a little attachment for mag space to put their phone right next to the huge screen that's already there because people want to use Waze
00:43:48
and they want to use whatever their phone looks like yeah I mean I think these these like new tech we call them
00:43:54
like Tech car manufacturers that are very much like software forward like this Caribbean Lucid while their GPS is
00:44:01
a thousand times better than a legacy manufacturer um they're still behind Google Maps and
00:44:07
ways and yeah and Apple so the hierarchy is they're closer car plan Android Auto
00:44:14
when they work well are at the top then Tesla rivian Lucid with their built-in systems with no car plan no Android auto right underneath that and this might be debatable but then underneath that all
00:44:26
the cars that have absolute garbage infotainment systems that you never even look at because you just use Android
00:44:32
auto and application and the debate is do you put those above or below Tesla rivian and Lucid below below yeah because I think a lot of people go I just want car play I don't really like
00:44:44
that oh I see what you're saying oh I see because it has it uh yeah and then the one that doesn't have that with it's
00:44:49
only its own GPS system is like in the tree behind the building yeah right now oh man that's a rough one yeah that's
00:44:57
bad I think Wireless carplay helps a lot but for some reason like needing to plug your I mean it's good to that it charges
00:45:03
your phone when you have it wired but it feels kind of hacky to like plug in your
00:45:08
phone and then have like your phone appear on the screen I guess I have it plugged in on mine and it's not it's not
00:45:13
just like your phone's plugged in it's still it's completely on Android auto like UI and everything and I I love it
00:45:19
in mine I wish it was Wireless yeah just because I'd rather put my phone somewhere else and not have a big wire hanging out all over the place but like
00:45:26
I still car like Android auto is my favorite I'm I totally love it it was like I made sure my car which unfortunately Subaru took forever to put it in but like I had to make sure the
00:45:37
car I bought at Android auto that was like my number one thing are you 80 of users well it's Android auto yeah
00:45:44
all these cars that I'm reviewing it's like the second I get in my first question is does it have Android auto or
00:45:50
apple carplay and then the second question is where do I put my phone and can I see my phone where I have to put
00:45:57
it so a lot of them like like right now the Tesla has the wireless charger right
00:46:02
below the screen and my phone like sits up like nicely on the wireless charger and I can still see it yeah so I
00:46:08
actually don't mind that there's no carplay because my phone is right there facing me on something like the ionic
00:46:15
six it is like underneath on this like sideways wireless charger so you cannot see your phone so in that case I'm like
00:46:21
you better have some way to use wireless carplay or like Android auto or something like that and I have wired so
00:46:27
I need the cable but that's like the the hierarchy of like how I go into a Caribbean's kind of like in the middle
00:46:32
it's on your like armrest which is under the armrest it's it's on top of it it's like at the front
00:46:44
yeah yeah all of those if it was just on the screen would be better exactly yep yeah I understand what they're probably trying to do or they're like you're not supposed to use your phone while you're driving anyway put it in the charger but
00:46:55
if they had wireless card play that would solve both problems yeah you're not using yourself and you would get the stuff on the display and we're assuming
00:47:02
the reason they don't want to do this is gathering information correct through their own math software it's twofold
00:47:07
yeah one is you're a car company you make your own software you gave the user the best experience you can where to charge how to be efficient what routes to use and if you offer this thing that
00:47:19
is carplay suddenly you're just giving up all the control over whatever Apple thinks should be on that screen and the
00:47:26
second is yes maybe you do something with that data you use that data you sell ads whatever happens to that data
00:47:33
but I think the control is the one that they're all saying forwardly because that makes the most sense you want to
00:47:39
offer the best experience for the user how will Apple carplay know how much range left on my car and what I'm gonna
00:47:44
get to I think that might be an upcoming feature because a lot of EVS as you're going to the charger they'll go all
00:47:49
right you're five minutes away I'm gonna start pre-conditioning the battery for fast charging if I go use Android auto the car doesn't know to do that right so
00:47:57
those types of things like make the experience of an EV better if the software is actually good and I think that's what Apple was hoping would
00:48:05
happen when they introduced this quote-unquote platform actually exists yeah yeah maybe they're still working on
00:48:11
it maybe maybe I just like that that Apple went from that it's like any screen anywhere totally integrated and
00:48:18
the first thing we see is Apple trying to fit a triangle block into this Square block of the Lucid yeah maybe apple is done with it and just no car company
00:48:29
wants to do it yeah because why would they give us something a thing to some other company who could just push a software update and do something they don't like if they want to be a platform yeah yeah
00:48:42
yeah I guess the Apple car will be the one 100 of people will like that card play what if the Apple car is not real and it's really just the platform that they were building the whole time they
00:48:53
were just using like a body of a car so they could build a software platform that would be a lot of work yeah but
00:48:59
making cards just make the rest of the car work just make the rest of the car wheels on it
00:49:04
how hard could it be uh do you guys know about the USS V Rhino GX now you're gonna have to explain that it's like it's the new it might not even be that new anymore it's like it's one of those cars that you have to get like special
00:49:17
ordered and it's only for Bill it's an SUV it's like completely bulletproof I don't even know if the windows go down
00:49:23
okay um it's three hundred thousand dollars I've seen something like that there's no carplay I was just looking it up I was
00:49:30
curious don't want it yeah I was gonna get it but now I don't want it anymore yeah unless my phone can go right below
00:49:36
the screen and then I can see my phone screen still you know it's so funny this car uh despite being 300 000 and being
00:49:44
luxuried out has the most like used Alpine media player I've ever seen that actually sounds right that's it yeah that was extremely expensive companies that just like want
00:49:56
to be made for like super super rich people but they're also like um they're also like an oldish company
00:50:02
they're never going to think about software yeah it's just a newish company I don't know I just developed a theory
00:50:07
yeah the more expensive the car the worse the software now because the my Bach had really good
00:50:13
software didn't it not really never mind no that my buck had terrible and keep going up in price it gets worse and worse yeah like a McLaren you don't even
00:50:21
think about it like it's just HVAC that's that's all it does if you pull up that map you'll be really unimpressed so
00:50:27
you're saying the Mini Cooper had the best software yeah I guess there's like a curve where it's
00:50:34
like at a super low price there's nothing good and then at a middle price you get like carplay or you get a Tesla or something like that and then you go
00:50:40
to like more expensive like six figure cars and like eqs and like Bentleys and sports cars and they go right back to the bottom we could talk for a long time about car software but in order to avoid
00:50:51
doing that we should take a break so after true let's do some trivia okay all right trivia question number two going back a bit WhatsApp was founded in
00:51:04
February of 2009 by co-founders Brian Acton and Jan coomb I think is how you pronounce his name I don't know they were famously bought by meta in 2014 for 1.5 billion dollars but before any of
00:51:17
this what major tech company did they both work for hmm before they made what's that before
00:51:24
they made WhatsApp I remember the them working for a major tech company but not which one they weren't dang dang I don't startups
00:51:36
we'll come back after the break [Music] all right welcome back um we are going to end this episode with uh Marquez is
00:51:51
now the proud designer of a new product we released some shoes with atoms the other day and I have a couple questions
00:51:57
for him because uh he's usually the reviewer and now he's the review E I guess you're in the hot seat now pretty much sure so like like can we really quickly go through like how all this
00:52:09
came too because I don't think people who watch their videos yet know exactly how it started or even like how long
00:52:15
this has been going on for I can totally abbreviate yeah do you remember how you first got in contact with them I do
00:52:21
um 2020 I bought an atoms mask that's the first thing I ever interacted with Adams
00:52:27
at the very beginning and it was great it was super comfortable that became like the default for me worried everywhere loved it got a couple more
00:52:34
put one in my car put one on my backpack um so I loved Adams already I didn't really think too much about the shoes
00:52:40
because I already had shoes that I liked and I didn't get any new shoes but then Alexis Ohanian connected us again said
00:52:45
hey like atoms you guys make good stuff Marquez you like Adam's products you guys should collaborate on a custom shoe that was Alexis's idea at the beginning yeah for people that know that don't
00:52:58
know Alexis oh honey and is the founder of Reddit yes and the husband is Serena Williams yeah and in all around great
00:53:04
dude uh of course and many others and so he mentions this idea and I'm like that's that's a good idea I I tried some atom shoes and I like them they're
00:53:16
comfortable and then the question came up of like well what do you mean by custom because this opportunity has
00:53:22
existed before putting my name on an almost finished product and just shipping it and calling it a day wasn't
00:53:28
really that appealing to me and got in touch with Adams and they were basically like we love this idea Blank Slate what
00:53:36
do you want to make and I was like whoa whoa what like like really from the beginning like a whole
00:53:41
new shoe and they were super down and so that became like the sort of Base point this is back in 2020 where it was like
00:53:48
all right let's just do because I'm not a shoe designer the way I use products is I know what I like and don't like
00:53:54
about other shoes that I've like any product I like some certain things I don't like certain other things so my
00:54:00
job was to put together all the things that I liked about some shoes all the things that I didn't like about some shoes and then we'll start to put that
00:54:08
in one place create designs and just start fresh from there yeah I even two years ago I remember back then the first meeting wasn't even fully like okay
00:54:20
we're doing this right now it was like they wanted to come in and they grilled you with questions for like two hours to make sure that this like seemed like an
00:54:27
appropriate collaboration and I really like respected that back then because it's so easy like you said to just say
00:54:33
hey we are a company you are influencer yeah please slap your name and let's make money yeah it was very different the difference is most of the time that comes from the marketing department sure
00:54:44
and I think this time it came from product people and I uh when I product person talks to another product person
00:54:50
and you can really appreciate a product together that language is pretty like a click pretty fast so we both knew what we wanted to do what we wanted to make and what our priorities would be like from the beginning
00:55:01
and God we must have like over a hundred different design drawings and random possible versions of the shoe colorways materials shapes Silhouettes Styles all
00:55:14
kinds of stuff yeah that we went through I think actually when Adam and David first joined the team one of the first
00:55:19
things in slack that got posted was this like PDF of like yeah 50 different which designs images and it was just like they
00:55:26
came in and immediately were all like debating which ones we like the best and there's some really really sick ones I like 26 54 and 59. I like 9 21 and 20
00:55:35
23. and this was like our second week too so I'm like do I have input because yeah
00:55:41
yeah it was like edit like everybody was picking different numbers too because there were just a lot of different color
00:55:47
combinations and styles and like highs and like mid and like different straps or laces and whatnot and they yeah they're all really sick I've really learned that you can mess up a shoe you
00:55:57
can go really really far in One Direction and it will be a bad shoe because the product is a product is a
00:56:03
bunch of different decisions that you make and if you make a bunch of wrong decisions and flip the switch the wrong way a bunch of times you can get a shoe
00:56:09
that's just like has no support at all or it's just bad well we had that one that came in and you're like this is so
00:56:15
sick and then you wore it and like a couple steps the like whole sides were like collapsing in on each other and
00:56:20
making these giant creases out that looked like bird wings almost and it was like oh this is not going to work at all
00:56:26
and complete redesign after that yeah so that that was the beginning we kind of went back and forth I mean I could describe it as basically the classic like me saying what I want getting a
00:56:38
prototype me going ah I see and then describing a bunch of changes that I want and then going back and forth
00:56:45
getting a prototype ah okay here's how that looks and then just going through that process a bunch of times that's the
00:56:50
basic skeleton of how it went but it was like we had to make decisions to optimize for Comfort there are decisions
00:56:56
to optimize for Aesthetics to optimize for cost to optimize for everyday wear versus like this isn't going to be like a sport specific shoe but it is a high top and most high tops are a little more
00:57:10
specific use if they're not like everyday wear so there's there's a ton of decisions that go into something like this
00:57:16
um and even price like I was the price is 189 and listen no one thinks that's a cheap shoe like it is not a cheap shoe it is if it is a quality premium shoe but if you look at Adam's other shoes
00:57:28
which are entirely different they're a very similar price I think they're like 160 170. so to think of a shoe with
00:57:35
materials they've never made before high top there are the ones are lows their other ones are basically one color
00:57:40
everything matches these are leather or synthetic leather and all sorts of material yeah and yeah to make something
00:57:47
like that that's then only like 15 plus you want to throw like influencer tax on if you want to call it that like I think
00:57:54
it's pretty impressive and and a lot of shoes are similarly priced again I'm someone who buys shoes on sale I spend
00:58:00
60 bucks on shoes it's expensive but like I don't think it's that wildly wildly priced I think my my main thing
00:58:07
that sort of encapsulates all of it is I really want people to wear these because I've been wearing so many prototypes that had so many flaws and now that we
00:58:14
have the final version and I'm like wearing them like basically every day now I'm like man when people get these
00:58:19
they're going to really appreciate them if they actually wear them and so if you just like get them look at them or just
00:58:25
look at a picture online you're like oh that's not worth the price but when you put them on you're like dang these are really light these are really comfortable and these are like decent
00:58:31
looking and I kind of think they look sick but that's just like because I designed them so of course I think they look sick uh then then you'll appreciate
00:58:38
it more so I think I I hope people wear them and I'm considering not sure if I would be able to do this
00:58:44
but I'm considering wearing them every single day for the next year and seeing how that goes and I'll have the pair
00:58:49
that was worn the most with however many thousands of steps I take and however many miles I walk you're like that guy
00:58:55
with the model S the first one to drive like 100 000 miles yeah I will I I am the one most well suited to do this
00:59:02
because I've already had mine for several days that are perfect and we'll see how long I can wear them I'll hold
00:59:07
you to that yeah I wanna I wanna see that I want to picture every single all the rest of my songs are starting to get
00:59:13
lonely yeah you know but that makes it easy to pack because I don't have to worry I'll probably wear other shoes for sport specific things obviously okay I'm
00:59:19
not going to golf in these but like this is this is my mission we'll see how it goes we did actually design them to fit perfectly in the moonwalkers
00:59:27
um we did not yes we did yeah we did right absolutely yeah David and I contacted Sidra and we'll cost
00:59:33
separately to make sure that they fit perfectly let's see yeah yeah yeah yeah very important fact I mean they are soft
00:59:39
this is there's another random fact I've had like a heel issue called plantar fasciitis for like four or five months I
00:59:46
have that too I have it on my right my right foot and so the the help that I got from the podiatrist was like this insert to put in all of my shoes so I've been taking the insert out and putting
00:59:58
it in the new pair of shoes that I wear every day I have a pair in my cleats and every time I put a pair in my shoes I take it out put it in the shoes and wore
01:00:05
those shoes for the day these are the only shoes that I don't have to put the inserts in because the heel is actually
01:00:10
soft enough and cups and supports well enough and has arch support just enough with the heel toe drop that I don't wear
01:00:16
them in these shoes only these so if you go to a podiatrist you can get a doctor's note yeah and your insurance
01:00:22
will cover the purchase of yeah super feet inserts or they use two five ones what's it going to be because there's the same price so it's uh it's up to you no I I think they came out
01:00:36
great so the next thing I want to ask you though is now for yesterday it released today's Wednesday we're recording when he this got released yesterday okay Marquez sat in front of
01:00:47
his desk for the entire day I think every single person in the office was like dude are you doing okay like yeah
01:00:54
it was just like phone computer phone computer phone computer back and forth back and forth answering retweeting like
01:01:00
looking at you watched probably every video that came out about it yeah everyone how's it feel how does it feel
01:01:05
to be in the hot seat it's funny I I get it now I get the stress of like sometimes like an email from a product
01:01:11
manager who's like you can tell they're stressing out about the videos I came out about their product and to me I'm
01:01:17
just like look I'm making my video like it's one video everyone's gonna have thoughts about the thing we'll probably agree on a lot of things but now being
01:01:24
on the other side or like I want to see what everyone thinks about every little thing yes I I got a lot of
01:01:31
screen time yesterday between YouTube videos and people did unboxings people did reviews kinda and also just like showcasing them and just like checking them out which is super cool uh I got to
01:01:43
hear basically what everyone thought about every single feature about the laces about the looks about the bags that they got uh which we might want to
01:01:49
do more of about the actual materials and the light weight of the shoe uh super fun videos I'll shout out a few
01:01:56
because they were fun Linus did a video it was amazing I just did a great video Yeah reviewing it uh chronic poking fun at us uh but as a sandal he reviewed it
01:02:07
as a sandal which was hilarious and he did his like his uh his Labs thing where he measures it and does some like
01:02:13
vertical leap testing blah blah it was all obviously kind of like a extended April Fool's Day yeah yeah yeah but it
01:02:19
was really long too this is great I enjoy so well made and yeah to Linus's team's credit which we all know they can
01:02:25
make videos very quickly like these shoes to influencers got out like last week they have not had a lot of times
01:02:31
with these we've yeah this got pushed to the edge and they made an incredible it was a really good idea it was awesome so
01:02:36
that was super cool they did a Linus intro how long were they sitting on that do you think they were like working on that that's a good thing right now there's no way you make that now nothing made our intro and so
01:02:48
did Linus yeah so there are three versions of the mqv HD genuinely well yeah and they all started
01:02:56
Ellis's audio no Linus didn't attempt the audio yeah he just took it right the existed oh he did that's what I'm saying yeah yeah yeah yeah
01:03:08
this video was great I also do wonder if when so the atoms team is clearly fashion people I don't know if they understand our like Tech meme Dums that's going on here so I'm just like
01:03:19
wondering them seeing Linus of 15 million yeah subscriber page and then seeing that being like I don't know how
01:03:25
to think about this when we were watching all of the videos I think that the really fun thing was that everyone that we sent it to did it like it was a
01:03:33
regular video that they would normally make and seeing everyone doing their style of video but with this shoe was
01:03:40
just really funny and like in a really fun way too Zach had like fake legs in his shorts
01:03:46
I was nervous that Zach was going to take a knife to it which was that would have been the second most extreme thing after Dave 2D painted an entire shoe
01:03:56
yeah from top to bottom in teal and white and then did an unboxing he kind of he basically pranked me yeah he pranked you he got me good I was behind the camera getting your react action
01:04:07
yeah and like I just assumed it was gonna be pretty normal Dave was like oh my God I was like wow Dave thanks for
01:04:13
hyping us up that's a really interesting and then Marquez is like wait wait what is that like I got scared on the side I
01:04:19
was like did something happen did we send them the wrong shoes what's going on and I because I couldn't see it he
01:04:24
got you pretty good but he got me Dave had a great one Becca's video was awesome yeah the best part about hers
01:04:30
other than the transitions was her just spinning the sneaker for like 20 seconds to make sure the video was exactly two
01:04:37
minutes and 51 51 seconds yeah that was awesome also shout out to the Jersey girl I have I just uh yeah lots of really good stuff well
01:04:49
I'm gonna link as many as I can in the show notes shout out to everybody who's who's just messaged me about them even if you didn't make anything I got lots
01:04:55
of useful feedback about them uh it's been pretty crazy yeah and we're looking forward to them getting in everybody else's hands to see people that aren't friends reviewing them checking them out
01:05:06
feedback stuff like that and yeah yeah I'm excited should we talk about how they run slightly big if people are
01:05:13
going to order them from the podcast worth mentioning so there's a size chart on atoms but a lot of people don't click that they just like order the normal
01:05:18
size if you are curious about sizing they run a little big meaning if you're typically a 10 for example I would order a nine and a half yeah in these um they're obviously stretchy laces and
01:05:30
you can go too small and be fine I'd rather be too small but I would take a half size off your normal size especially if you're like between two
01:05:37
definitely pick the smaller one of the two um and when you do get them laces being elastic by the way Adam's laces
01:05:43
are like the best thing I just found out you can order them by themselves I'm probably going to order like 10 pairs just for all of my other shoes but mine
01:05:50
mine actually felt a little tight a little long but a little tight but once you loosen it up with all the laces they
01:05:56
stick really well and then being able to slip on a high top is wild eloki this is probably the first ever slip-on high top
01:06:03
because of the laces like there are other high tops and you could loosen up your laces and then slip them on and
01:06:09
then tie them but these uh you have to tie it right right this might be low-key if you want to call it a tech feature the first ever slip-on high top just found it out there what about the
01:06:19
balenciagas though who's that there we go so that's it who who but yeah I heard um I Heard two two five one 2.0 is going to be uh replicating
01:06:34
like a Croc who would have oh sorry what cost and I have been talking about that on the side yeah didn't realize you weren't privy to these conversations
01:06:45
no yeah we we I love what we made obviously because I I'm excited yeah to get this in the hands of people there's a billboard in Times Square right now of uh
01:06:58
of the shoes that's pretty amazing yeah that's amazing and that's also really cool because Brandon and Vin worked
01:07:04
really hard on all those photos and I'm really happy that they have a photo up in there like that that's a bucket list
01:07:09
kind of thing yeah that's really cool it's almost like the funny story I know Billboards don't convert sales because
01:07:16
they're Billboards yeah and this is an online website so like it doesn't really work that way but the billboard was live
01:07:23
like a day before release yeah one person only one person noticed went to Times Square and went wait a second and
01:07:30
tweeted a picture of the billboard at me the night before the shoes came out and I was like oh my God it's out it's our
01:07:36
embargo is broken yes so what is going on in the most epic way I know and we are huge billboard and literally it was totally fine nobody it's more of just like the pride of just like because
01:07:48
there's 10 million Billboards in Times Square you just kind of get that moment where you're like all right this feels pretty real
01:07:53
it's really physical which is cool yeah so yeah it's out there any ideas for what you'd want to do for a version two I mean now that I've seen Dave paint
01:08:03
them teal I think you gotta think about other colorways that's like a pretty obvious
01:08:09
evolution of 251. we gotta start with the obvious red and black but that feels like a pretty obvious
01:08:15
there is some cool like blue and orange Proto prototype like yeah a lot of photos we saw early that looked really
01:08:20
sweet one they they colored it after like a McLaren that we had done a video on and it looked sick I get why it's
01:08:29
that's not MKBHD colors but that looked really good yeah yeah there are a lot of good looking prototypes that we didn't
01:08:34
make so so that's out there um I'm glad it's I'm glad all the two years of work this is the funny thing because we make a YouTube video and we have this idea in our head and within five days it's out to the world and it's
01:08:46
really satisfying to get that immediate feedback this one was like we had an idea 75 weeks ago yeah and we're finally
01:08:53
getting it out this week which is crazy yeah so yeah it's out there now yeah all right trivia time
01:09:05
all right in 1994 IBM combined the PDA and the mobile phone into one device creating what is widely considered to be the first smartphone
01:09:17
on top of having a 4.7 inch touchscreen it also had email fax and pager capabilities I might be really wrong that's I we we wrote the same thing just
01:09:29
based off what you said okay I think we were at the same thing reminder it is manufactured by IBM
01:09:36
the international business machine I'm definitely wrong what was the name but I still think we have the same answer I am but I don't know what else to put like I
01:09:47
don't exactly yeah all right [Music] 1994. I know that's what I'm that's my thing that was a long time ago that was
01:10:00
the only part of it that chat jbt got wrong it said it was released in 93 which it it wasn't oh wow
01:10:07
more like trash GPS I'm sorry I didn't mean it am I right flip them yeah I'm wrong uh Andrew didn't in fact say the same thing Palm Pilot Palm yeah
01:10:20
I said the Blackjack which is also wrong but it yeah do you remember the blackjack no no it
01:10:26
was like a PDA slash early smartphone that competed with the Blackberry who was it by though I don't remember what I
01:10:33
thought I was thinking of like Blackberry but that's got to be like 2 000. this might have been Samsung
01:10:39
Samsung oh it was like a Blackberry I had a keyboard and it was like yeah are you in closest wins uh yeah uh close it out going over um I had a Palm Pilot for like all of
01:10:52
elementary and middle school I was that weird kid for certain reason yeah I was like I don't want to use like a normal
01:10:58
planner agenda like I want to use a Palm Pilot um wow rocked it uh no the correct
01:11:04
answer is the IBM Simon um Simon I just looked it up the first Palm Pilot was 1997. it was pretty close but that was by Palm that was uh it was
01:11:18
called yeah I wasn't sure they called it the Palm Pilot personal that's a lot of alliteration this thing had an rj11
01:11:24
sector built into it too meaning that you could take your cell phone yeah plug it into your landline connection and it
01:11:32
would become a landline that's awesome also uh 900 in 1994 Was Eighteen hundred dollars today folds the Samsung fold yeah yeah this thing looks like the just like the
01:11:45
quintessential old black self what was the one you did on another uh oh I had the original like yeah the one on retro Tech yeah that was a Motorola yeah um just like straight black antenna
01:11:58
giant ear cup but rather than buttons it has like a super narrow super green attack yeah uh touch screen and like it just has numbers and some like little
01:12:10
folders on the bottom yeah yeah so you need a stylist to use that touch screen which is hilarious like putting a stylus
01:12:16
on your phone and I don't know if you noticed but that right bezel is so much bigger than the left yeah this thing's
01:12:23
got to be almost like a foot tall oh look at there's the this is it compared to a iPhone 5 yeah it's probably double
01:12:30
the height of it yeah and the same width all right second question so WhatsApp was founded in 2009 by co-founders Brian
01:12:37
Acton and Jan home I think WhatsApp was famously bought by meta in 2014 for 1.5 billion dollars but before any of this what major tech
01:12:49
company did they both work for [Music] that was fast because I have no idea I've heard the answer to this before but it wasn't stored in my SSD yeah it got
01:13:10
erased from local memory yeah just think if you're gonna make an app as bad as whatsapped what terrible platform Are
01:13:17
You Gonna Leave prior to that but that almost sounds like it might be a platform that's a big hint that's messed
01:13:23
up spin them flip them and read okay well I said Google I said AOL I also said Google because I was like yeah Google would have made a really
01:13:38
important chat app and then I got sold to meta the correct answer is so the score remains unchanged Marquez with 14 Andrew with nine David with 13.
01:13:55
I don't remember Marquez passing me because you were nice you were in Iceland did he get two points last week no he got a point yeah and he got closer
01:14:02
remember you didn't it was the one who gets close without going over and that was you only got one point were we tied before that no I got a point for being
01:14:10
closer and I got another point for getting the answer right oh I have a different question clearly someone doesn't watch our podcast David
01:14:18
I wanted an Iceland there's no podcast there aren't podcasts in Iceland Adam there's only Nordic casts
01:14:28
viking calls vicast sarcastic take us home either way Hey listen we appreciate you guys wait wait Andrew has .69 points a game nice right now at this very moment
01:14:41
that's a solid average good batting average right there nice uh very nicely done anyway okay that's been it thanks
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for watching thanks for listening this week we'll catch you guys in the next one peace waveform was produced by Adam
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