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what is up people of the internet welcome back to another episode special episode of the waveform podcast we're
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your hosts I'm Marquez I'm Andrew and I'm David and uh big week a lot of stuff
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happened this week multiple videos lots of hardware and software to talk about because we had an event and now we're
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here to give our true honest thoughts and talk about all the news where do we start well Final Cut is on the iPad
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the day before Google I O and uh two days before maybe I don't know it felt
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kind of like trolling it was on purpose it had to have been on purpose it had to have been on purpose I think that actually the sentiment from that was
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like number one finally but number two WWDC must be pretty packed yeah to like
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remove some stuff out of it I was surprised that they didn't drop it during the i o key now to take away
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about it would have been too obvious maybe I mean I don't know companies do that to each other all the time we've seen it we've seen it but yeah no we got
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a lot of Google stuff we do yeah we have a ton of AI like you said there's stuff that got announced um but I have one
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question I want to pose to everyone in this room I know about IO and I think it's the most important question
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is are the Birds real are they gender words like in that
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theater there are so many birds chirping and you see one or two but it feels yeah there's like a fox screaming at
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something I think it's fake it so it is an Amphitheater yeah outside so any
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noise that happens just gets amplished too many it was loud it does yeah I
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think so you think they're all real you think every bird trip is real you still believe in Birds
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real face I think they were I really like 50 50 hybrid the Eagle's screaming
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I thought was really cool true I think Adam found the hawk like you know it's like dead tree like sway you know the
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song Blackbird by The Beatles um I'm going to say yes just so I don't get roasted in the comments okay well
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they they pump in sounds of like birds chirping and I played that in the car the other day to someone who didn't know
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the song and they started looking around I was like what are you doing and he was like where are those bird sounds coming from it's like it's in the song so maybe
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they were doing that and then in the Empire too I think it's a little I think it's a little both if you set this up or
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maybe they tell us about the favorites yeah yeah no we did get we did have a lot of things happening but let's just I
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kind of want to start with the should we start Hardware software there's so much to talk about software they started software to make
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sure everyone listens to the whole podcast okay okay fair because we did we did make videos covering some of the
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hardware and that's out but let's start with some of the software stuff because it's actually a little bit more fascinating what's going on we knew that
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there would be AI talk like when chassis BT took over for the year and Bard came
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out was behind and all those narratives start coming out that Google is a little bit slacking in the AI Department we
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kind of knew that Google would have to make a statement about AI they made many many statements about Ai and I kind of
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feel like the theme of previous iOS to me was always like yeah we're an AI
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company and we have lots of AI research projects but that's just what they are it's just
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research projects and they'll get kind of spoon fed a little bit into the products we give to you but not really yeah and so there'd be cool stuff that
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we'd see like these crazy AI features and like chatbot demos even demoed on stage at Google I O and then they'd
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never come out and so this i o felt like now we're going to take all that stuff
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turns out you guys wanted it so we're putting it into products that you actually use and you'll interface with
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AI all over the place throughout all Google software products so that was really cool to see yeah um
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yeah yeah okay I mean the the top three that were sort of the like kicking off
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the event was Gmail Google Maps Google photos so Gmail literally has a feature
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now called help me write not now I think it's coming soon but these are all things that are coming to things we use where you literally hit a button and
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fill out a little prompt and it just drops an email draft into your like outbox and you can just edit it or send
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it as it is so just write an email for you yeah sick that's what we've been using it for anyway but everyone uses
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Gmail so now instead of using chatgpt to write email and copy and you pasted it it's just whatever Google can do with
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their new large language model boom I think one thing I really liked that up about that Gmail's example they use so
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the example they used was you were on a flight it got canceled please write an email for me to get the voucher to get
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like refunded for this and like it can use references to other things whether like confirmation numbers inside of your
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email to know like I need a refund or a voucher for x-flight number yeah and
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it's pulling that into it you can also have it elaborate to make it more convincing or less convincing yeah I
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think the example they used was like a vouchers which you normally get but I think that I should have a full refund
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on this so like make me explain or like make it explain or try and convince these people to give me a little extra
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on there yeah so that was like right off the bat it'll write emails for you AI boom okay great another one was Google
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Maps um there are some interesting features like a immersive route preview in
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certain cities which was sort of going doing this overhead view of mapping out
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where you're going to drive with AI that can tell you what the weather's going to be at that hour and sort of like
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previewing it it's not really AI okay yeah we were talking because Andrew and I sat next to each other we were talking
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about this in the booth but this is what you know how like a couple years ago everyone would just say that everything
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was AI powered all the time and they still do that they still do they still do that but now it actually has some
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meaning in the in the past it was like this is automated in some way or something like that the maps feature I
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didn't really understand where there was actual AI happening yeah we uh it is funny David and I sat next to each other
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you're in a different Booth so I'm now realizing a lot of this conversation David and I probably had already yeah
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and now I'm interested in what you think but I'm glad you said that we yeah no I think because it's AI everywhere we
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expect everything to be AI but now that I think about it that Maps future was just like a cool maps feature it was just a cool Mouse it was real I don't
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want to take away because that was really it was very cool it basically was like it showed an example I think it's
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coming to 15 cities of if you took like a bite bike path down by the water it would do this cool like 3D almost burnt
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side like bird's eye like overview go through it and show cars moving and show cars moving I'm assuming that's what
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this is like it's like the traffic data it's like this is traffic is heavy so add more cars yeah and then weather is
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cloudy or rainy it made it look great it's a stretch it's extra AI it's basically like
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using the most minimal data points just to like put it into a visual representation but yeah I think that
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they were they're kind of just doing that to compete with Apple Maps because Apple Maps dropped the super immersive
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City thing like last year I was wondering if people actually use that I guess it was enough for Google to decide
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to work on it it's enough cities I mean the Google Maps team needs something to do I guess right there when I thought of
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it I was like this is really cool this is a really cool demo people are gonna see this freak out
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about it show it to their friends and then just plan their route any others yeah any normal way right you're just
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adding to the core feature but yeah it's that's coming to 15 cities by the end of the year which is very cool if we can
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show it on screen if you're watching I guess the only one we know about we can assume New York City yeah in San
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Francisco okay yeah so that's Gmail that's Google Maps Google photos one though this is where it starts to get
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into the crazy like real quick like five minutes into the keynote yeah so right off the bat we've seen Magic Eraser
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which is there's something in the background you kind of circle it and it will just nuke it from the background of your photo and use AI to fill in what
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was supposed to be there that's cool and it works on the pixel and Google photos there's this new additional version of
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it now which is going to be called Magic editor yeah which will do way more smart
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selective AI edits and they're powerful enough that I literally just
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tweeted what is a photo in the middle of a scene yeah I was like what is happening they had a photo of like a kid sitting on a bench and they're like oh
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you wanted him to be closer to the middle of the photo just highlight the kid on the bench and slide him over yeah he's got balloons we'll just make more
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balloons to fill in where he was because that was cool because the balloons were slightly off frame and they were like we
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wanted to be fully in frame in the center so he just slides the kid on the bench and the balloons over
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and makes the bench longer that's pretty cool Photoshop has has this feature for a for a while called content to work
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expand I believe but this is like it looked better and a lot faster this is
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just a UI to me it's like yes we've had content or fill content aware expand but you have to know how to use it in
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Photoshop right where using this on your phone in Google photos is going to be people going select drag done yeah and
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that sort of powerful UI where it actually works well is the difference which is why I think it's so cool uh
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there's also a thing about like change oh the skies all right just select this guy all right it's sunny now yeah just like oh we
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wanted to be lit better let's just like just make it all like look nice just like a backpack off all this stuff the ultimate what is a photo like yeah I
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know Google's been really pushing trying to get people to edit in Google photos more and that's why they always release
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these ml features on pixels first and then eventually it's not just on it's not on your phone at all it's in Google
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photos and then they do it on the server side yeah they do all that processing on the tensor processors in their data
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centers and not actually on your phone so yeah it's it's getting kind of crazy um they like completely changed some of
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the pictures that they took yeah the one they were talking about it was a woman in front of a waterfall yeah and I think
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it was like first it was cloudy let's make it let's brighten it up she was wearing a shoulder strap let's take away
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the shoulder strap she had her hand out to look like the water was falling on her hand but she was out of the way so she moved it over a little bit I I
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turned to David I was like the next thing they're just gonna say she was in her living room and the waterfall is like completely fake in the background
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they did so many changes to it and it's it's really awesome the way I think
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about it is like you try and teach significant others or like family members who don't take photos how to frame things properly now they can take
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that garbage photo and I can fix every single part of it and make it look framed correct I don't think you're a
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God yeah yeah that's crazy yeah how do they not do fences yet I know the chain link fence
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I needed a reference to that and they didn't deliver that's like years old when we review this I think that needs
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to be our first test subject just draw over every single Link in the chain I
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think the problem is that like that's most of the image right like I can see how that was a hard technical problem and they first announced that in like
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2017 or 2018. yeah I think it was 2017 I think it was it was one of the ones I
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was at which was 17 or 18. and they just scrapped it yeah the thing is is it's most of the image but they're little
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tiny lines like if you can replicate four brand new balloons you can take a little line out of something they had a
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really cool animation when they were doing content works and where everything turned into like magical confetti pixels
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I highly doubt that will be in the actual production mine said that the UI is subject to change and I think that
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they're just saying it's probably not going to look this amazing it's just gonna like highlight and disappear and reappear probably yeah that looked
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really cool though it did it looks like an exception basically yeah yeah the one thing I was interested about that though is
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all of it is based on drawing out the thing you want fixed correct they didn't do a great job of explaining that but so
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in that sense if I'm going to draw out the sky how does it know I want clearer
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sky or sunny or like is it just making that assumption that might be missing UI too okay highlight this guy and instead
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of it just going oh you want enhanced Sky it's sunny now I think there should be a little dialogue
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which could lead to some really cool things to think about like luminar AI like that's why yeah yeah I want a
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rocket ship going through this yeah I have a background like yeah well the object detection I mean is getting really good kind of like how in iOS you
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have the built-in touch and hold and it selects the object that's basically what they're doing in here too and just a way
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more useful manner yeah than just yeah like that was cool but this is more
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useful for sure because apples was always like copy it on your phone open it in Photoshop on your computer but I
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was like what if you just edit it on your phone instead of having to copy it over I guess they don't have they don't have to contact aware fill aspect of it
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because they're just right cutting out they probably will by the time they're gonna just go now we filled in
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the background you can just remove things from your photo we call it Dynamic eraser yeah it's gonna happen
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Dynamic eraser so I'm calling that yeah magic I can't magic is such an apple
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word but yeah they'll call it something like that yeah okay I want to talk about something crazy that I I really enjoyed which is
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called prep and we think of it as an AI first notebook that helps you learn
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faster how it works is you can simply pick the files from Google Drive and it
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effectively creates a personalized and private AI model that has expertise in
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the information that you give it basically there's all these different large language models that we use and
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interact with with things like Bard but let's say you wanted to train this AI
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model on your own documents and things that you know and then it could help you
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create new things or study Things based on your own documents and they went through this whole demo of like let's
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say you're a student and you've got your notes typed out in Google Docs you train them the model on your notes and then
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it'll just summarize the notes for you create a study guide for you help quiz you on the topics I'm like if I had this
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when I was in college I would have been significantly more productive yeah because studying was not my forte and
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this would have been fire oh yeah your brain plaster would have just been like firing on all cylinders yeah my concern
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we were talking about this a little bit so you're training it you're basically creating your own little Transformer
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model right your own training data set I think the model's still the same but it's trained on yeah it's trained on your own personal stuff but the way that
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generative AI still works is still just predictive words right so my concern and
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I want to see this in action and I think this is why it's in the labs feature right now still but I want to see like
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if you create a study guide for yourself what if it just starts lying because you know how generative I AI just like lies
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all the time what if it just strings together incorrect facts and then if
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you're creating like a flash card system or a study guide system you're just learning bad data
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I also wonder like is there x amount of data input you need to put in it before because I feel like less standard input
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has more of a chance of attempting to fill in the blanks yeah their their thing had like 10 weeks of notes
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basically which is a decent amount of of data and I'm also interested in terms of notes like you two write stuff and take
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a lot of notes for a while but if it were to pull the notes from this Google I O right now and attempt to make real
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words out of this horrible spelling and punctuation like sloppy I feel like it
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could but that seems like a potential issue and like I'm not fact checking all of my notes is if I'm
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in class I'm just taking them down as fast as possible the professor's going crazy I could spell things autocorrect
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could change the wrong word now that's the incorrect facts now I'm getting the incorrection yeah because I didn't just re-read and make and be like oh that
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doesn't sound right yeah uh yeah but I think that's a lot that's the Crux behind a lot of these features is in my
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head it's working perfectly so it's amazing but I think in real life they're very complicated and that's why they're
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still in Labs because there's lots of ways that they can go wrong yeah but if it works then it's amazing that's why
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it's called Tailwind because there's a Tailwind behind you because you're flying through your learning I I believe
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you I believe that's my guess yeah I'm just confused if like what if I have the
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same fact twice in my notes and they're and one of them is like wrong which one does it pick there's a lot of words
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making a decision for you yeah that's the weird thing it's interesting because they're generally not just grabbing
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chunks of text and replacing it usually it's still generating like token by
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token this is what the word is gonna be this is what you're talking about with the AI video before right which is it is
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just going word by word and predicting the next thing and it doesn't have this like built-in sentiment analysis or fact
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Checker it doesn't know what it's saying or what to do about what it's saying right like there's a lot of cool Bard
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features they talk about which is like give me a summary of these schools okay make them a table oh add a column to
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this table with prices and you can it'll do all these things because it knows what a column is and it knows what all
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these things are those aren't fact oriented but they're not like fact check like if you functions like the data in
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the the chart might be wrong you're right and it might always be wrong I do think and like we'll talk about that
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stuff that you just said later but previously when they were talking about Ai and Gmail like write my email and
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everything when they were talking about it here when they're talking about it later they were very specifically saying like like
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this is your starting point I think they said that probably like a hundred times like this is a great place for you to
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start yeah and I think that's their quick way of saying like please don't
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just send this right away like this is helping you this is a tool the problem is if they're making tools that make it
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so you don't really have to look at things like emails they're like oh write a long email because I don't want to write a long email like reading and and
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proofing a long email takes almost as much effort as it does to write the email first I would disagree I think I
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would rather have it write the email and me proof it mentally I guess it takes the mental Aid off of it it feels like
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super and I I like wrote this down in my notes later especially when we get into Google workspaces but like super personalized
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templates like like Super Hyper specific templates to what you need and like that's awesome because how many times
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have people look for a resume template but what if you could say write me a resume I'm looking for a development job
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tailored for yeah it'll be hyper specific and then when you can do that with like
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super specific things that might just be day-to-day life aspects like that's really cool what I would love and they
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didn't mention this specifically is if the generated say emails through your
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Gmail if it scraped the emails that you've already sent and it wrote it in your voice that would be even better
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because like the examples that they showed off were super super corporate but I'm pretty sure I would be able to
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read an email from someone that felt really corporate and just like but if I was able to generate one that was like in the voice that I always send emails
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in I think that which is like 90 exclamation marks for me I need to hold down a little bit right no I capitalize
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I just I'm too excited about everything I say LMAO and put emojis in my uh in my corporate emails so the email app that I
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use now which is super useful it's called superhuman has a snippet feature which there's a whole bunch of like
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Snippets that I've made because I get asked for the studio shipping address all the time oh yeah so I command K snip
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it insert and I type out it types out this whole thing the studio shipping address is blah blah the phone number for shipping is blah blah and it's got
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this whole thing so I don't have to type it every time and Google's been good at like Auto filling some of that stuff in
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Gmail if you use Gmail but it's just like next level for me to go ah I've had conversations with this person before
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the the line the language model is going to read those conversations and just pick up the conversation where it left
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off and like finish booking this hotel or canceling or asking for a refund it's just gonna just do the work for me and
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that kind of moves us into the plugins feature yeah but they have for Bard yeah
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so bar got a lot of improvements yeah a huge thing that got announced by chat GPT
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um a couple of months ago was chat CBD plugins where basically you could start things in chat jbt and then you'd be
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like hey I want to order a pizza and it'd be like Domino's plug-in and then all of a sudden a pizza gets ordered for
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you through chat gbt now there's going to be all these plugins for Bard and they already announced like 30 plus
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partners and that just feels really powerful um the confusing kind of thing is that
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Bard is still just like a quote-unquote AI experiment from Google and I feel like most people are going to be
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interfacing with most Google products within Google search itself or like a Google app and having Bard be like this
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separate kind of platform that you use instead of being your main way that you interact with Google services feels kind
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of strange so it's interesting the way they framed it and I found it kind of fascinating where they would talk about
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each one of these tools and they'd frame it each time and so when they talked about Google search they talked about how they're going to add ad generated
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things at the top of search and then with each application of AI they would
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say with this type of AI we can do this and with bar they said with a chat like a chat experience of AI you can do this
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so it just felt like Bard was siled off into here's the chat AI if you want that here's the other AI
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and so you have to go find Bard to use Bard features but they're also going to build in a lot of stuff into google.com
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search this is the interesting thing for me is I feel like at this point in time or at least when Bart is a little bit
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better you know how the default landing page for like Chrome is just google.com like you open a new tab you've got a new
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Google window I think they should make every time you open a new window a new tab it's Bard because you're starting
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from like this links out to everything else you do it links out to all your other Google services it can write an
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email for you that you can import into Google into Gmail it can import stuff into docs it's basically like a Nexus it
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feels like the most functional thing right it's a Nexus that goes out to all the other things that you want to do
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yeah so using Bard as like their core nexus and then like linking out seems a lot better than starting with Google
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search which has a very specialized function and can maybe import into other services but is not nearly as powerful
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as Bard I agree I don't know I mean you said you you open up Chrome and you're
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like oh I'm opening this up because I'm planning a trip and you type in The Bard I'm planning a trip and now it's
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bringing up Expedia and united.com and like literally laying out your tabs for
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you to like have the most efficient work that could be really cool yeah it's just weird that they still kind of consider
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Bard to be like oh it's an experimental siled feature over here but still but now it's like the most powerful product
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they have yeah they did open up the waitlist yeah so anyone can use it for anyone in however 200 countries or
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whatever as long as you speak English Japanese or Korean yeah 40 other languages yeah soon interesting okay and
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it is now powered by their new Palm 2 model yeah right there's a new large language model that is more advanced and
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there's yeah there's a ton of other features like it'll bring up images now it will use the plug-in to I think it's
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called Adobe Firefly to generate images with that I was confused by that because like Firefly is one of the plugins but
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they have their own image generation yeah products so I think that was just I bet I would bet you that adobe paid them
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for for that to like show off the plug-in because they have their own image generation product and yeah I
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can't believe they wouldn't use their own yeah that was a little confusing the kind of cool thing that I thought it was interesting is that they have Palm too
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right and palm 2 is like it's like Lambda it's their big model that they have they have different scaled versions
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of palm 2 and they name them different things so they've got gecko otter bison and unicorn and those are basically like
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how big the size of the model is yeah Gekko can fit on a device right that's pretty fire oh yeah that's gonna be
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tensor based a bison's bigger than a unicorn this is true that's a good point that's a fact maybe it's like they asked Bard
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what the sizes were and it just got it wrong what's the biggest what a gecko is
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bigger than Unicorn oh this is yourself they're not real because oh I think my geckos aren't real I was
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like where are we living right now uh true maybe it was like how magical the
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animal is you know probably so unicorn is probably just opening the door for a bunch of other future stuff yeah they're just saying unicorns are like the best
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yeah well okay there's one more I just want to say one more thing before we get to the ad break which is there was a really long boring but important section
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in the middle of which was just talking about responsible AI which it doesn't get all the hype and the flowers of like
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the new pixels and stuff like that but it mentions the fact that like okay we're generating all this stuff these
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images that are more and more realistic with AI we need a way to know if it's AI or not there should be one either
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watermarks or two to metadata from everything we create so that it's easily
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tagged or identifiable as created by AI I agree with all that I don't know how
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well it applies to the way Bad actors will use the products but I think it's a good thing to be thinking about as this
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stuff moves forward there was one other thing that they mentioned later as well where I believe if you were creating AI
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generated images and they were showing up in Google search there's like literally a tag at the bottom a lot of
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times it'll be like image shutter stock like there would be an AI generated tag yeah right there because this is becoming so realistic and and besides
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water Market metadata is hard to be like it's hard because it doesn't matter people are looking at metadata but and
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it can be stripped and they didn't show The Watermark that was gonna be they were they're like de facto Watermark was
00:25:28
the little bird logo Little Star yeah the little star which is their just general AI logo now so to me that that
00:25:35
little by the link that you would click for that that feels almost like the most prominent way of showing that that was
00:25:41
the most useful because I think that'll show up the most I just think like when you see like the pope image go viral on
00:25:46
Twitter like there is no watermark there's no metadata yeah it has to be uncovered if especially imagine a bag a
00:25:52
bad actor where it's not necessarily a joke funny tweet and two minutes
00:25:57
it's a guy like trying to convince people it's real yeah they will strip
00:26:03
the metadata and there will be no water it's so easy to strip metadata like that was my thought process there there are
00:26:09
quite a few companies that are like trying to figure out how to embed like seek like secret meta data or watermarks
00:26:15
that you can't even see into images that can be like what I'm realizing I can't like whisper
00:26:22
into the mic because we don't have headphones on and no one can no no but yeah there's there's companies that are
00:26:27
trying to do that but I still see it being very difficult because like honestly if I take a screenshot that
00:26:32
wipes all the metadata if I bring it into Photoshop and Export without metadata that wipes all the metadata so
00:26:38
unless they're figuring out a way to include metadata that isn't the traditional form of having metadata in
00:26:43
an image or a watermark leave it as a watermark in the little bottom right corner you just crop it by three percent
00:26:49
that's the problem The Watermark either is easily taken out or it's important it's well or it's too big that it ruins
00:26:56
the picture and then like the people who are actually trying to use this for a tool in good faith it's ruined because
00:27:02
it has it has to span the entire image they have invisible watermarks now I just feel like it would be so easy to
00:27:07
just take a screenshot or you just have to like change the file basically yeah I
00:27:13
kind of Imagine like you create something with Bard or some image uh Creator tool and it has this little
00:27:19
invisible Watermark let's say and then it goes viral on Twitter and anyone who uses a tool to analyze the image will go
00:27:27
oh because of this this this tool we know that is created by Bard because it left the invisible Watermark and that's
00:27:33
great for people who use yeah if you're not using Bard that that still needs to
00:27:38
be thought about everywhere it would have to be integrated into like Twitter where it would automatically say AI generated image because it scrapes the
00:27:44
metadata of every image that's uploaded yeah but there are no Engineers left at Twitter so that's never going to happen
00:27:50
there's a whole ecosystem that has to be built around yeah but yeah no that's all there I think
00:27:55
we'll take a quick break we will come back we have a lot more to talk about but you know we did bring with us to the hotel
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and we can't even hear the music because we don't have headphones on but we brought our trivia boards so it's time for I'm just gonna pretend I hear it
00:28:08
yeah you guys can hear it but trust me it's awesome all right first question for Google I O trivia this is brought to
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you by Ellis so this question is brought to you by great trivia suggestion that Ellis lost
00:28:20
but you know who you are
00:28:26
Google deepmind has been brought in and out of Google several times over the past decade but today at i o it was
00:28:32
announced that Google's parent company alphabet will be merging deepmind with what Google subsidiary oh I already knew
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this um [Music]
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yeah I remember the deepmind thing going on stage and then the thing I came after
00:28:53
which is the answer to the trivia question I completely forgot yeah cool I don't remember any of these this is
00:28:58
either a free point for me or I'm really dumb and you're just blacked out
00:29:04
well we'll get to these of course after the episode or at the end of the episode so until then wait before we leave can I
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just say something no yeah yeah old mixundar had a show a-i-a-i-o
00:29:21
and we're not coming back [Music]
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all right we're back uh so I think that something that everyone's been waiting for basically ever since Microsoft
00:29:39
dropped the whole Bing search thing we had all those conversations around our website still gonna get traffic and is
00:29:46
this gonna be a paradox and our is nobody gonna write content anymore because you're just scraping all this
00:29:52
content and using it for Bing search uh everyone's been wondering when is Google going to do that yeah and What's it
00:29:57
gonna look like right because I think the theme for all this generated AI stuff is Microsoft's just dumping stuff
00:30:03
into the world and then like live patching stuff whereas Google's trying to be a little more careful because they
00:30:08
have a lot to lose and nothing to gain whereas Microsoft has everything again and nothing to lose like we said in our
00:30:14
video about AI that we've done 20 of them now I don't know which one it was yeah um but basically Google released its
00:30:21
version of its generative AI search today yeah um right yeah right at the
00:30:27
top it's pretty interesting how it works uh it's not too dissimilar to Bing you ask a question into Google search and
00:30:34
then it writes a generative AI answer it shows three very prominent links with
00:30:39
header images from those links they said something like we know humans and humans
00:30:44
always want to look deeper so they're definitely going to read the articles and I was like press X to doubt because
00:30:51
that doesn't I feel like a lot of people are just going to search that and then are just going to run away and never
00:30:57
come back um but I think one thing that they're trying to do to counteract that is they
00:31:03
are doing a thing where they show a lot more human input from the internet now
00:31:09
so instead of just scraping like really big main websites and taking that information they had this feature before
00:31:16
where they showed like it's called like conversations or something like people talking about that topic all over the
00:31:21
Internet sort of like how you put Reddit at the end of a search so you can see actual humans talking about it instead
00:31:27
of someone who wrote for an SEO optimized web page um but yeah effectively it's just like
00:31:33
it's written by effectively a Bard or chat gbt and then you've got all these links on the side it does have material
00:31:39
you theming which I found very pretty which is based on a lot of the site so if you search like what's a better
00:31:44
family trip with a with kids and a dog is it Bryce Canyon or Arches National
00:31:50
Park and then it comes up with this material you themed kind of green because of the national park stuff I
00:31:57
don't know it's kind of interesting looking I'm still a little bit worried that websites are not going to get nearly there traffic okay
00:32:03
yeah and it can include photos like in there as well so because you could say
00:32:08
like um I think their example was like what's the best sightseeing in X place and I'll show photos of that so like if
00:32:14
it's showing what people are saying about it photos of it and the why would
00:32:19
you ever why would you why would you repeat that now yeah yeah it's just kind of interesting how they focus so much on
00:32:26
um like using AI responsibly they did not really mention about how this is just going to
00:32:32
kill website yeah traffic and potentially kill websites that it's taking the data from like you'd think
00:32:38
that if they were going to be slower about this than Microsoft they would take this more into account because Microsoft got a lot of flack for that it
00:32:45
doesn't seem like they really are um they have some other features like there's a follow-up button where it
00:32:50
generates like potential follow-up questions that you have and it'll add it to the search and you can just keep
00:32:56
going and they have a thumbs up and a thumbs down button unlike YouTube uh so
00:33:02
they're clearly not talking to the YouTube Team about that but they'll take that away soon before we hurt Bard's feelings yeah but search looks a little
00:33:09
different now right now again this AI generated search thing is a experimental Labs feature as well basically
00:33:15
everything that we're going to talk about today with the AI stuff is a Labs feature you can go to g dot Co slash
00:33:21
labs to like sign up to try everything but everything is in beta right now sign up for everything yeah you have to sign
00:33:26
up for everything so at least at least they're like seeing how it plays out in the real world
00:33:32
before they just unleash it into the world but yeah yeah do you guys have thoughts on I feel like it's not that different from our Bing conversation
00:33:38
because it is effectively the same thing I think very similar there there are some like cool things like adding images
00:33:45
and stuff like I still think it's really neat I think it's just like ultimately again it's searching but just being it's
00:33:52
it's like the joke we've always everyone makes of like Google search is so good at typing in
00:33:58
the most random thing and it knowing what you're talking about and now it can just be ultra specific about that rather than yeah if you were looking for Bryce
00:34:05
Canyon and what was the other one like Canyon Lancers arches arches and you
00:34:10
were trying to figure out if you can bring kids bring a dog if it's easily accessible you would have two separate
00:34:15
searches for both the national parks going into and then finding the specific things now it's just telling you all
00:34:21
right there I also just am very curious about the accuracy again because the it's like using generative AI for things
00:34:29
that are just more uh creative it doesn't really matter but when you're doing search and Google's entire ethos
00:34:35
is we're going to give you information we're going to be accurate about that information I didn't really hear a lot in the
00:34:41
keynote about them saying we take accuracy really seriously and this is going to be specifically scraped or
00:34:47
whatever from the websites that kind of concerns me I'm I'm very interested to try it I want to try to
00:34:53
break it and see how easy it is to break that's you won't be alone yeah yeah I don't have specific thoughts but I
00:35:00
that did remind me of a story that I'll try to tell really quickly I was at the studio the other day and I had this
00:35:05
memory of something I wanted to reference of something that I saw on a talk show that was like a robot of like
00:35:11
a a pink robot thing that I saw once and I was like I can't remember what it is and I started
00:35:17
Googling and looking on YouTube of like pink robot talk show uh clown robot pink
00:35:23
and I was like putting in every combination of search things and I could not find it I must have put in 30
00:35:29
different Google searches I couldn't find it on Reddit couldn't find it on YouTube and then jonath said have you tried
00:35:35
asking chatgpt and then I opened up chat gbt and I asked it and it instantly answered a
00:35:41
full sentence with the name of the thing which I then went to YouTube and searched and found wait what is it what
00:35:47
uh it's called Mr Blobby that's really stupid I don't ask me why I was like oh
00:35:52
my God yeah holy crap this is terrifying my son John Oliver yeah uh no it was on
00:35:58
a different see that was the thing I didn't remember what show I think they've shown this in John Oliver I was looking on like you know
00:36:04
yeah it was tough to find but try gbt immediately found it and that just had me thinking the whole time of like yeah
00:36:10
I'm gonna use Bard for a lot what did you put into chat GPT because something a conversation we had prior was like we
00:36:16
think in SEO now I asked it in natural language what was the name of the pink
00:36:22
robot on that UK talk show and it just was like Oh you mean you're
00:36:27
talking about Mr Blobby right and it gave me the history and the episode and the host and everything and searching in SEO didn't really work did not yeah
00:36:33
could not find it it was really weird but it worked perfectly and it was impossible with Google or YouTube wow
00:36:39
very interesting yeah for the listeners SEO search engine optimization which is basically I think everyone hope everyone
00:36:45
knows people probably don't when you work in publishing you do but a lot of people don't always know as yeah so
00:36:51
anyway wow that's crazy yeah the power of natural language I do have one more thing about search but it's more just
00:36:57
because there was a point in the way they ended the search conversation that made me feel bad and I didn't like it
00:37:03
and they were going through a whole example of how search and shopping through Bard can be uh like put together
00:37:10
and essentially there to go really quick through their example it's like I want a bike I want an e-bike it needs to go
00:37:16
this far it needs to be this color So that obviously can answer all those questions and then go one step further where after you make that bike purchase
00:37:23
you can start thinking about where you want to ride the bike how if you want to make your what the name for
00:37:28
your bike gang but then they mentioned this thing at the end it's like craft me a social media post about me buying my
00:37:37
new bike oh and I hated it so much and I just like immediately was thinking of like like the hey Google it's my my kids
00:37:45
first day at school write me a Facebook post about how proud I am yeah I'm just like are we at this weird point we talk
00:37:51
about like void of emotion like other social other twit the tweets I'm
00:37:57
gonna read are the Skeets on Blue Sky gonna be like written by Bard like where I don't know that that part made me sad
00:38:04
every single time we see a feature like this it just reminds me of LinkedIn because linkedin's been doing this for years where if someone gets a new job on
00:38:11
LinkedIn there'll be a button it'll be like congratulate Marquez on the new job and there'll be a button that says
00:38:16
congratulations Marquez I'm so proud of you you tap the button and it posts a comment that says exactly and that just
00:38:23
feels so devoid of any emotion it's like you know how we're writing emails now and we're using like AI to generate
00:38:29
longer emails and then when it gets to me I'm like I ain't reading that summarize that for me and it's like what
00:38:35
are we doing I was gonna say like this they the examples they give got closer
00:38:40
and closer to being personal and with emotion but never cross the line right oh I would like a refund on my flight
00:38:46
like a very functional email yeah or like oh I need to explain something to someone so write this explainer based on
00:38:53
this data very functional but they would always like get right up to the line but never cross over just like oh my friend
00:38:58
like you know is like really feeling sad like cheer him up and like write an
00:39:04
email for me and it would just it could do that too but Google never went there but you know people are gonna go the
00:39:10
social the social post I think is what felt like Crossing that line it's like right on the line because I could see a social post about buying a bike is not
00:39:16
super emotional and just like I don't remember the name of the bike but I just want to tell my bike I don't you just
00:39:21
bought it but you're making the post because you literally just purchased it like I think that's Crossing I think
00:39:28
it's a little over it's a little over but yeah there's they were smart about never Crossing it it's just weird to have ai write like social posts because
00:39:35
then it's just you're just reading robot text is it a social person is that even social yeah what are we doing I don't
00:39:42
know I can't wait till my bar talks to your Bard on Twitter later the Internet is just like firing in all
00:39:49
cylinders and we're just like just robots it's just humans drooling in their robots talking to each other yeah
00:39:55
oh yeah we're Outsourcing our minds yeah anyway all right do you want to get the
00:40:00
products oh yeah I think let's just go let's get right to products all right I want to talk about let's start with the
00:40:05
pixel 7A that was the first one that was the most straightforward one we have a review up on it now if you want to watch
00:40:11
that get my succinct seven minute thoughts on this product but here's an extended yeah
00:40:17
it happened to be seven minutes but it is the 7A okay anyway the in the weeds
00:40:23
version is now uh this is a 499 Android phone it is a pixel uh so it has the
00:40:30
advantages of being a pixel but it is 50 more expensive than last year so number one is okay what's new about this phone
00:40:36
uh the pixel 6A was quite good for 449 this one has a 90 Hertz display now has
00:40:43
new cameras and has wireless charging and so the price goes up a little bit
00:40:48
and you're like wow this is a this is a pretty good phone for 4.99 but it also has the same tensor G2 and 8
00:40:55
gigs of RAM and 128 gigs of storage as the pixel 7 that's six months old
00:41:01
which you can also get right now pretty easily for also 4.99 and so that became
00:41:09
a little bit more weird so Google's Google's making this whole lineup of pixels now we'll get to the pixel fold in a second but you can buy a phone
00:41:15
anywhere now between 350 which is where the pixel 6A stays in the lineup and one
00:41:21
thousand eight hundred dollars which is the starting price of the pixel fold yeah and somewhere all the way in the
00:41:27
middle is well you could get a pixel 7 or a 7A for right around 500 bucks which one should you get 99 times out of 100
00:41:34
I'm gonna say get the seven even though it's older it's the same spec it's going to get software updates for just about as long it also has faster wireless
00:41:40
charging it also feels a little bit smoother at 90 Hertz for whatever reason uh it's also 90 Hertz out of the box
00:41:45
although the 7A is 60 hertz out of the box for some reason
00:41:51
but uh yeah it's it's made of real glass instead of plastic like the 7A girl
00:41:57
glass victus on the screen instead of girl Glass three exactly so there's just a whole bunch of little things that add up to a better phone at the same price
00:42:03
so I would recommend getting the pixel 7 for the same price but the 7A exists now it will probably also drop in price
00:42:09
right later um thoughts on the 7A new colors too the colors are hot
00:42:19
uh it's really really good looking they didn't send it to like any press for some reason no I saw some on YouTube oh
00:42:25
you did yeah oh we didn't have it yeah I was really jealous we got the blue and the black blue looks okay I like the blue yeah yeah the blue is good
00:42:31
um a lot of the reviews called it like a pixel 7 by any other name or like I'm
00:42:36
seeing double because again they're basically the same phone I think that they are basically the same phone except
00:42:42
in every little way that they're not which is the Gorilla Glass 3 instead of Gorilla Glass fictus it's the fact that
00:42:49
there's they're basically the same size the seven and the 7A except there's a little bit more of a chin on the display
00:42:54
of the 7A so the screen is technically smaller it's a 6.1 instead of 6.3 I
00:42:59
think um the wireless charging 7.5 Watts doesn't isn't that helpful I think you
00:43:05
said in your review that like you can put it on your wireless charger in your car and it doesn't lose battery but it
00:43:10
doesn't really gain I gained one percent in 45 minutes yeah because I was like High brightness navigation Bluetooth
00:43:16
it's 18 watt wired charging instead of the the 30 watt which I think is more like 25 wired charging of the pixel 7.
00:43:23
yeah the camera sensor is way better than it was on the 6A because it's how much 40 percent yes so 72 bigger than 72
00:43:33
yeah so the 6A had the tried and true 12 megapixel IMX 363 that like every pixel
00:43:40
for years had and so that was kind of like a safe safe thing yeah this was a new brand new sensor in the 7A 64
00:43:47
megapixel sensor yeah yeah and it's new and you can actually shoot 64 megapixels it bends down to 16 but it is a larger
00:43:53
physically sensor uh so it'll get more light it will be able to take faster shutter speeds and low light photos it
00:43:59
will be able to take a softer depth of field shots in regular lighting and close-up subjects so it turned out to be
00:44:05
better they did the I think the processing pretty well and so that was nice to see um it also has an ultra wide which had a
00:44:13
surprising amount of distortion I touched some Ultra wide shots where I was just like I'm just gonna crop in
00:44:19
like this is looking at the edges like I do get more but like wow yeah it was
00:44:25
shockingly distorted and that sounds seemed like a weird Google Mission like when I think of Google I think of like them making a super ultra wide look not
00:44:31
so distorted the software this one didn't do it so maybe I'll fix that later um decent selfie camera
00:44:38
yeah I here's a here's a quick a B test uh
00:44:43
would you even notice some of these things in phones plastic back versus glass back
00:44:48
not on this phone on this phone feels glass sticky kind of like Samsung used to do it feels really close I hate that
00:44:55
you use glastic I'm sorry but it is when I held that phone it felt fine yeah it does just like the glass yeah so that
00:45:02
one I didn't mind so much um would you notice 6.3 inch versus 6.1
00:45:07
inch display not really not super yeah would you even necessarily notice the difference
00:45:13
between the old 12 megapixel shots and the new 16 megapixel shots I noticed the
00:45:19
depth of field difference but I would bet you that regular people would not yeah yeah would you notice seven and a
00:45:25
half watt wireless charging versus 20 watt wireless charging 15 20 or 15. it's higher
00:45:33
it might be 20. no yeah I think you're right it's 20. I think it's 20 and I would actually it's funny because when you guys just said that before I was
00:45:39
like this sounds like a total non-issue yeah like wireless charging wireless charging in your car running High
00:45:44
brightness navigation music you stay you don't charge but like wireless charging
00:45:50
in your car running all of that like most of my wireless charging just sitting at my desk or yeah next to my bed to make sure it's full in the
00:45:56
morning yeah is it lower minimum brightness uh I wasn't able to find that in the
00:46:01
spec sheet I don't know about minimum the maximum I'm sorry maximum maximums were 500 I would have to double check
00:46:08
yeah but um I wouldn't say that they're dramatically different so yeah this is the thing you wouldn't notice most of
00:46:15
these things but I feel like but all together if we're trying to recommend devices to Consumers like I would want
00:46:22
to educate consumers that like I know this is newer but you can get the same
00:46:28
phone but with everything better for basically the same price nine times out of ten yeah so it's like I really want
00:46:34
to get a PSA out to the general public that like you can buy a pixel 7 and it's a little bit better budget phone of the
00:46:40
year the pixel 7 yeah I gave it an award it's like a great phone that was this you gave phone of the year to pixel 7 yeah
00:46:47
yeah sorry phone of the year yeah yeah like and budget phone I was like please don't go into the budget debate again
00:46:52
it's like a really good phone and it's like seven months set it on the screen today
00:46:58
put it on the screen yeah it's a good phone so the only other difference is the 7s ip68 versus the says IP67 but
00:47:05
again nothing something uh consumer's not gonna if you really like the colors and you're a regular person you're not
00:47:11
going to notice here's the thing one other thing that I don't think is confirmed yeah but when they were
00:47:16
talking about magic editor they said we'll only be available to new phones
00:47:22
is pixel 7 in that list or is only 7A in that list and that also sounds like something Google would say to Hype up
00:47:29
the release in the phones coming out in the fall and then let all the phones use it I mean by January that'd be wild if
00:47:36
7A only had well it's 7A and then eight fold and fold would all have it but would seven have it and Seven Pro it
00:47:43
would be hilarious if it didn't because yeah but they've done this here yeah it's the same Ram they did it with magic
00:47:48
eraser didn't they they said this that was when tensor was out and they said this will only be available on tensor and then six months later they roll it
00:47:54
out I could understand it because it was tensor versus other stuff that didn't have time it's the same right it's the
00:48:02
same phone and it's the cheaper phone yeah that's what I think it would be yeah that would be hilarious but like
00:48:07
but technically by their wording I'm pretty sure they said available on new phones which I assume at this point we're
00:48:13
talking about new phones which is stuff they announced and stuff they're gonna announce seven months
00:48:18
interesting wording we'll have to see I also think because magic editor was also not coming till fall anyways right so
00:48:24
then maybe it won't even be 7A maybe it'll only be oh excellent e but then it
00:48:29
has to go on the fold later this year did they demo it on the fold they didn't demo it but like how do you not put it
00:48:34
on the folder right I mean it's gonna eventually come to every Android phone through exact photos
00:48:41
anyway exactly yeah because everything eventually gets moved to the Google servers and they just let you do it in
00:48:46
Google photos on their servers yeah we start with that three to six months later yeah yeah so you know pixel 7A is
00:48:52
a it's a it's a decent phone it's not quite as like slam dunk deal as maybe it
00:48:58
was in the past with the a series and anytime the price goes up inside the a series like bracket people are sensitive
00:49:04
to it which is why I think look at the 6A at 349 if you really want like a deal yeah
00:49:09
um but yeah that was that was my thought what was 6A MSRP when it was 450. I
00:49:14
think it was way lower hold on no I think it was four because I remember talking about it going up so like how long ago was it
00:49:23
the 4A was 350 and it was the best deal of all time we're getting to the point where pixel 4A is like my favorite pixel
00:49:30
you're 150 bucks up on that now yeah from the original a series I don't think
00:49:36
they can ever put the a over 500 6A was 449. okay yeah at launch yeah so it's
00:49:41
100 bucks off now the 6A now yeah it's pretty good yeah except for the stuttery it's not a good
00:49:49
performing phone yeah I got heat for that but let's just be honest it's not smooth yeah I will also say that the 7A
00:49:54
in 60 hertz mode also has that issue which is very strange it feels like it's like dropping frames a lot and I was
00:50:00
showing you this in the car on our way to Wawa the other day when you're pulling down the notification shade like yeah eight times out of ten It'll like
00:50:07
stutter on its way down I am a little bit curious about the choice to be 60
00:50:12
hertz out the box on the a series when it's capable of 90 and if that's if there's any more reason behind that
00:50:18
because the same exact chip and the same basically the same battery size are in the pixel 7 which is 90 Hertz out the
00:50:25
box am I crazy I would bet you that because this phone is more targeted towards budget users they're probably not the ones that are like I need 90
00:50:32
Hertz I need this I need that and they only they care more about battery life I see so for the people that are buying
00:50:38
the a series phones they're like if we can squeeze a little more battery life out of this and if you happen to be a power user turn it on
00:50:46
because at a carrier service when you're buying a plan that's gonna be 500 and the pixel 7 is still going to be
00:50:53
whatever so like that is still going to be the cheap pixel phone
00:50:58
also you can just like last year you can buy a millimeter wave one from Verizon for another fifty dollars last year was
00:51:05
an extra hundred dollars for the seven Jesus uh but for the for the 7A you can
00:51:10
get one for 5.49. if you're on Verizon and really want that and really want the millimeter wave version yeah all right
00:51:17
we gotta take a quick break we got more pixels and Hardware to talk about so we're gonna do that in our last segment but of course as usual before we hit
00:51:24
that break hit that trivia trivia and none of you guys can hear it
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it's fast for me all right second question so which version of Android was
00:51:35
the first one optimized for tablets oh I know
00:51:42
you better get both history lesson in my head with this because I had that I had the zoom there's an Android tablet it
00:51:48
launched with the Motorola Zoom yeah oh I remember it yes I remember the couch I was saying on in my Mormon friend's
00:51:54
house when I I remember getting the zoom as well I learned about this information I was in college we'll we'll get to that
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after the break be right back
00:52:11
thank you all right welcome back let's talk about the last bit the exciting bits at least
00:52:18
to me because I like Hardware people cheered in the crowd so loud people got pretty high for these yeah we got a new
00:52:23
pixel tablet and a new pixel folding tablet called the pixel fold nice I don't know I don't like the way I
00:52:29
said that but we'll just keep it it's a folding phone new fold and then becomes a tablet okay so very different uh in
00:52:35
the spectrum of price I guess we'll start with uh now I like let's do the fold first okay
00:52:41
because the fold is wild the fold is a very confusing conflicting product to me
00:52:46
because I really like it and want it and I also know that I will not be
00:52:52
recommending this to most people pretty fair that's Evergreen okay so well it's the pixel but like
00:52:58
even multiplied so it is one thousand eight hundred dollars and so when you come in at that price
00:53:04
you immediately attract the early adopter and the Enthusiast who both care a lot about what design Aesthetics
00:53:11
incredible specs and performance and what does this phone have tensor G2 from
00:53:17
seven months ago and not the best looking bezels yeah so it's not going to
00:53:22
appeal to the 800 1800 phone buyer but I really like the pixel stuff about it
00:53:28
right it has all of that stuff still but now it's a seven and a half inch screen in the inside that unfolds and I've been
00:53:35
waiting for this sort of passport size thing and the decision they made when you can see this in the Impressions video is they moved a lot of the the
00:53:42
folding Hardware to like above and below the hinge in order to keep it thin so it's 180 degree fold but it's thinner
00:53:50
than any other foldable I've ever used in the US other than the xiaomi and the surface Duo oh but that's not a folding
00:53:57
screen so I don't it's not a phone oh right it's a surface but it is a really
00:54:03
thin really nice to hold tablet passport size tablet thing so I really like it
00:54:09
and I'm gonna definitely I'm gonna get one and I'm gonna review it and see what it's like but I also know that at 1800
00:54:14
bucks you should probably just get the fold four from Samsung like that's the better phone for most people
00:54:20
um that's probably three pixel 7s for that price yeah you can also get that other phones so yeah that's it's out
00:54:27
what do you what do you guys think now that you've seen it so yeah
00:54:32
I actually I don't know I the the hardware is really nice I'm really glad
00:54:38
they have really nice Hardware first generation Google Hardware can be very
00:54:43
rough the cool thing is I know that they've been working on foldable interfaces for a very long time
00:54:49
basically ever since the first Galaxy fold came out Google's been working super tightly with Samsung to like make
00:54:55
foldable interfaces really like they had Android 12l and the L just meant large
00:55:01
large screen displays AKA foldables so now we're running Android 14 is about to
00:55:06
come out yeah and they've been working on this for a long time they showed a lot of like multitasking modes that seemed really natural they have the new
00:55:12
uh multitasking bar that you can slide up with which Samsung already has Samsung already had that but it was in a
00:55:18
permanent dock right at the bottom of the screen this goes on it comes up from the multitasking bar yeah I thought it
00:55:24
was fire yeah I like that yeah the the bezels do seem a little rough I
00:55:30
understand that you need bezels of some kind to be able to hold a foldable put a real webcam in there yeah oh yeah real
00:55:36
selfie camera real selfie camera instead of the garbage that's under the screen of the Samsung yeah yeah I'm just saying I will say that they didn't really hide
00:55:43
the hinge in between the bezels very well and it looks a little more rough
00:55:48
than like the Galaxy fold force and the crease the uh not the crease or in the
00:55:53
two pieces you like kind of touch each other and then there's the screen that floats on top yeah yeah it does it looks
00:56:00
a little bit rough when you open it um but well I wanna I wanna try it more I want to try it more uh so we'll see I
00:56:07
think that you're definitely spot on that like I haven't I've wanted a foldable for a long time but I don't
00:56:13
love Samsung's UI I always love the pixel UI yeah so having something that has both is really amazing and I like
00:56:21
that it's in more of the Oppo Find and form factor instead of the candy bar yeah because the candy bar from Samsung
00:56:27
is do you remember the first generation yeah funny looking back at that oh my God I gave that kind of an easy time
00:56:33
like I was like Wow guys it folds like can we literally folds but now that I look back at it I'm like whoa the inner
00:56:40
display of the first fold that was like yeah 1 8 the size of the actual phone
00:56:46
was ridiculous yeah so yeah I'm pretty excited about I do want to try it I know that a lot of the people at the office
00:56:51
are like gonna pre-order it you get a free pixel watch if you pre-order it which is hilarious I I know that the
00:56:59
pixel watch has been selling really well I think they released a step well comparatively they released a stat that it's like the best-selling Android
00:57:05
wearable or something or wear OS wearable that's a very high bar yeah but
00:57:12
um I think that they're I think that they're just trying to move people into the Google everything ecosystem so if
00:57:18
you if you just don't have a smart watch yet and you're buying a pixel fold they're like we're gonna get one on your wrist and you're gonna be in the pixel
00:57:24
watch ecosystem awesome that doesn't have ah it's weird because
00:57:30
yeah and it's gonna drop it on a pixel fold but somehow doesn't already have the picture or a smart watch yeah in general
00:57:37
yeah I don't know I don't know um funny enough I think you could you have your choice of the LTE or the Wi-Fi
00:57:43
only version and the LTE one's 50 more expensive so I don't know why they're giving you the option uh for free you
00:57:50
just take whatever one you want yeah so the full steep school I I really I think all of us in the office are probably gonna try it for a little bit and then
00:57:56
see how we like it um I loved it I mean I played with it for like 40 minutes and I was like wow this it's 120 hertz on the outside and
00:58:03
inside yeah it was smooth and I think like to your point like a lot of people look at the bezels when they aren't
00:58:08
using the phone and they look kind of weird but once you actually use the phone and you're looking at the screen
00:58:14
that's the important part and I feel like when I look at the screens now I'm more willing to forgive like a slightly
00:58:21
thicker bezel yeah because I'm looking at the screen the screen's nice yeah so if if I can deal with the pixel 3 XL
00:58:27
like bathtub Notch I think I can get away with that yeah yeah this whole thing you know I came into
00:58:34
this thinking it's a foldable I'm not really that interested in foldables and then I left it thinking like I really
00:58:39
want to try that I think I really do want to try it um there are some really cool things about it like you said some
00:58:44
of the software was really neat I really liked the um I liked how if you are multitasking on
00:58:49
both screens and then you swipe into recent apps it'll stay docked together
00:58:55
with the multitasking things that you're using so you can go back if you're in like Google or like a video and messages
00:59:01
like that'll stay together when you bring it back later um or like sheets and your email or
00:59:08
something like that yeah I thought that was really neat um they showed off which I thought was pretty cool the like live
00:59:13
translation where you flip the whole thing open and you can speak into one side seeing your translation and then
00:59:19
the other side where someone's looking at you can see that I know that's like a weird like it's kind of strange but it
00:59:25
also is way better than the like I've seen a lot of people mention this like they say they can go to foreign
00:59:30
countries and actually oh yeah be able to to communicate with people but that's talk into it look at it show it to them
00:59:36
yeah at least you kind of have some sort of like a little quicker back and forth we were meaning this a little bit like
00:59:42
the lady in the demo was sort of like here here look at it look at it I
00:59:47
thought what they were going to do is because when you fold it open it's such a big display I thought it would split the screen in half and on one side it
00:59:55
would read the text towards you and on the other side of it so if you were like if you were like sitting at a table
01:00:01
across from somebody you could both be looking down at it and it would like talk into it and translate it I think
01:00:07
they're liking the screen on the other side yeah Google Translate is one of those apps
01:00:12
where every time I see an improvement of it I'm like damn that's good and then I never use it I wasn't when I was in
01:00:18
Columbia at the entire time we're like we need someone who speaks good Spanish because we're not using our apps very
01:00:23
well but it has a feature where like you can say something in English it'll immediately transcribe it hit play and it'll say it in Spanish yeah like out
01:00:30
loud yeah it's like that would have been really useful in a taxi or something like that yeah I don't know if I'm gonna like be in the front seat of the taxi
01:00:36
like talking to the phone and like showing on the screen yeah but the audio experience is nice but it was cool the next big step of that is now that we
01:00:42
have um audio Ai and there's some products that can do this already where you just use say like I think Humane had this in
01:00:49
their demo oh my god um however that ends up looking but like where you can say something into it say
01:00:56
translate this for me and then in your voice it says it in the language like the other language which will be really
01:01:02
cool um do you have any other thoughts on the tablet yeah
01:01:11
um I think I liked the pixel fold way more than I thought I would I definitely am going to try it out at
01:01:16
some point I don't think I'll pre-order it necessarily um because I you don't want that pixel watch [Laughter]
01:01:23
yes I just need another pixel watch attempting to connect to my phone at all the hours of the office
01:01:28
um yeah yeah I I think it looks really cool I'm excited to try it the thing is is like if you haven't used a foldable
01:01:36
can you drop 1800 without knowing you're gonna enjoy using a foldable all the time it does it does seem thinner so
01:01:43
ultimately it does seem like the normal phone function should be fine which I know is good but then am I just paying three times as much money that I'm never
01:01:50
gonna open it up we'll see I would like to try I'm more excited now than I was before I think I
01:01:56
tried to curb my own hype and then saw her enthusiasm yes soft fancy I got
01:02:02
totally sold by the fancy presentation of it and uh there are also a bunch of other question marks with it that we
01:02:07
have to figure out in the review one is it's still tensor G2 and it is a smaller battery it is the biggest battery in a
01:02:14
foldable but it is still a 4400 or something like that and tensor G2 has not traditionally been super battery
01:02:20
efficient and it's a gigantic unfolding screen on the inside yeah so what's the battery that's going to be like that's number one we don't know number two is
01:02:26
it is thinner than the regular pixel so it is yet again a new set of camera sensors yeah
01:02:32
um there are slightly thinner modules and they had to make a slightly thinner Periscope lens and all these things are
01:02:38
all slightly smaller than the flagship pixel 7 Pro yeah so we'll have to again see what those cameras Do Samsungs has
01:02:45
done that in their folds too their folds always have lesser cameras than their most recent flagships exactly so we're
01:02:51
gonna have to test those um and then that's just it's just the apps question of like they did like
01:02:56
there's 50 new updated Google apps for you know optimizing for the tablet
01:03:02
screen size and hopefully a bunch of new third-party apps that work really well with it too the different column sizes and all that we'll have to play with
01:03:08
that that's a question mark uh but then just like performance you know tensor G2 holding up over time Android 14 all that
01:03:14
fun stuff we'll see I am fairly optimistic about battery life because I think that
01:03:20
like the reason that this phone is so thin is I think that they want to encourage people to feel okay using it
01:03:27
closed when you only need to use it as a closed phone you just use the front display which is also 120 hertz it's a
01:03:34
it's a you know it's a glass screen instead of sort of that plastic kind of thing and so if you're able to if it's
01:03:41
about the same thickness as a pixel 7 and then you're using it as a regular phone but it has a way bigger battery
01:03:47
that's kind of dope and then you just open it when you need to when you want to use expanded app features yeah so I'm
01:03:54
optimistic because I think that for with a lot of foldables a lot of people kind of just open it for the novelty and use
01:04:01
apps in big screen mode for the novelty but they don't actually need to so the more that it can feel like a regular
01:04:07
phone most of the time and then you have the convenience of the tablet when you need it I think that that's kind of the ultimate in between yeah yeah it'll
01:04:13
depend on the ratio of how much you use outside versus the inside yeah interesting yeah okay on to the main
01:04:19
events the Main Event the pixel tablet ladies and gentlemen I wish I could hear the sound effects
01:04:29
okay so pixel tablet gets unveiled it is what we thought it was which is it's a
01:04:35
tablet that connects to a speaker magnet dock that makes it a Google home
01:04:41
the things that we didn't know that we now know are one it's a tensor G2 it's
01:04:47
an 11 inch 60 hertz LCD it's not a super high-end tablet and the price will be 499 and it will include
01:04:54
David you want to I'm sure you would love to remind us of our bet but it will include the dock in the Box yeah we've
01:05:01
been uh we've been talking about this off camera pretty much all day I had to remind them very we've been talking about it so yeah I think the one
01:05:07
person's been talking about it a lot more yeah this is our bet was whether or not it came with the dock included it does which is dope you can also buy an
01:05:14
additional dock for 129. I missed that you can buy them yes you can buy an additional dock I think it's a little
01:05:20
bit weird to buy an additional Dock and then just have just a speaker dock sitting somewhere that you can't use
01:05:26
unless you throw the tablet on it yeah um that's kind of strange I but I mean if you just want to buy it I like the
01:05:33
option the options there which is nice yeah because you could like put it in a corner or something and it's felt so it kind of Blends in with your environment
01:05:39
it would have been nice if the dock had its own Bluetooth connection or just like a Google Assistant thing built in
01:05:45
yeah so ask it stuff from across you can still play music on it without having to have the that's a good point yeah but it
01:05:50
doesn't so there are there are pins on the dock and those four pins match up to the four pins on the back of the tablet
01:05:56
and when you connect them those pins are everything that's data and power so if
01:06:02
you CH actually it's how you charge the tablet you put it on the dock there's a USBC Port there is a port yeah but it
01:06:08
doesn't come with a USBC cable no so you'll have to charge it on the dock and then the other thing is uh yeah it's got
01:06:14
a speaker built into the tablet so if you're playing music and you want that like slightly louder speaker which I've
01:06:19
listened to it a little bit it's louder but it's not that loud we'll
01:06:24
test it more you put it on the speaker dock and then now it's a Google home it's got Hub mode you lock it and it
01:06:30
will go into Hub mode and do all the Hub mode stuff so that was cool yeah I think Hub mode
01:06:35
was the thing that we're kind of learning about this that really like showed how this thing is really neat and
01:06:40
how like what Hub mode is is essentially when it's docked that makes it you know
01:06:45
feel like a nest Hub you have like home controls you have like a easy voice to text like stuff on that makes it super
01:06:52
easy but when you want it to be in the tablet mode you either pull it off or use the fingerprint sensor and then
01:06:57
you're going into regular Google apps and stuff I'm curious if you can have multiple
01:07:04
users fingerprints pre-loaded so that if you have a different set of apps as me as I would have I think it's exactly
01:07:10
what it was I know they mentioned multi-user I forget if it does that where it sets you up per fingerprint or
01:07:17
if it's just multiple fingerprints can unlock it yeah because Android has multimeter built do you think they said
01:07:23
logins yeah I think it's two completely different users the iPad does hasn't had forever and the
01:07:32
way they showed it on stage which is new but we haven't seen it in action yet is like there's a little picture in the
01:07:37
corner and you just tap the picture because like a tablet that's at home is floating around your house like maybe you and someone else uses it you tap the
01:07:43
picture and then it sort of brings you to the login screen you tap your new picture log in with your fingerprint and it's a new tablet new apps new home
01:07:50
screen new everything so I would want to get the one with more storage to make sure this would work well but I think that's the best
01:07:56
implementation of multi-user on a tablet we've ever seen yeah if you can just touch your fingerprint to it and it's
01:08:02
like this is David's tablet it's got all David's apps on it and then I dock it and then later on Andrew comes in
01:08:08
because he's hanging out in my house for some reason yeah it's like the new spare key it's like
01:08:15
you give I was gonna say access to uh yeah exactly yeah so I mean that would be that would
01:08:22
be awesome that way your kids aren't like messing around with your bank account instead and stuff yeah yeah and
01:08:28
buying apps on your account yeah so I think that that seems to be working or it seems to be the way it's going to
01:08:33
work I don't well I don't personally need one because I have a tablet already and I
01:08:39
have to go home already so obviously I don't need it but there's going to be a lot of people who don't have either and who can get this and it will be both and
01:08:45
I think that's pretty cool it's like a dual purpose thing you lock it it's I'm curious how one to one feature parody it
01:08:53
is with just buying a Google home which is like 230 bucks can it be your nest security camera can it probably because
01:08:59
the one that's plugged in all the time can but if it's just going to be popping off the dock I don't know if that's going to be a feature probably in Hub
01:09:05
mode I would guess in Hub mode I'm assuming Hub Mode's gonna have it's exactly that everything that a
01:09:11
nurse Tom Hub has I hope so in different I think it's even they were showing also an overhaul of your of Google home the
01:09:18
new app which totally really good on tablet mode like with all the different sliders and everything so I think that's
01:09:23
gonna be fantastic on it and that's what like that's what I'm so excited about this 500 I can have my
01:09:31
my Nest Hub home that has all my home controls in a like my living room or something like that and then when I
01:09:38
travel to the West Coast to make a podcast in a hotel room I could be an iPad kid on the plane and just watch
01:09:44
downloaded Netflix anime or movies or whatever I want on there so like that's all I want Claire is at home with no
01:09:50
home controls now Clara live yeah right it's like you can just yeah
01:09:57
that's fair yeah yeah but yeah so like that's 500 bucks I think that's great I hate I kind of want two of them I kind
01:10:03
of want one for my kitchen as well where I can pull the tablet off to the side and bring it with me if I'm cooking
01:10:08
something and I'm like doing it no it'd be kind of ugly one doctor I
01:10:16
don't want what what you're saying you want two tablets I want two of these but one with
01:10:22
Doc oh they can come with docs okay I'll put them one in the kitchen with the doc one in my living room with the dog oh
01:10:27
also just said the green I have green paint in my living room oh yeah we should also mention there's
01:10:32
three colors yeah there's like a dark green which is the only one that comes with black bezels and then there's like
01:10:38
a sea foam which is it's called porcelain porcelain yeah so okay the green one's called Hazel and it's the
01:10:43
only one that comes with black bezels and then there's porcelain which has white bezels and it's sort of like this more porcelain color I guess and then
01:10:50
there's a rose which is like slightly pink it's like the pixel 3 sand pink in a way it also has white bezels so if
01:10:56
you're like in a living room you probably want to get the Hazel but I'm assuming that most of these are in
01:11:02
people's like kitchens so you get any of the other colors you have a white bezel yeah yeah white bezel's fine in the
01:11:08
kitchen also the case I don't do we know if the case comes with this or no I
01:11:13
don't think it's okay well it's still really cool because the case can fit on the back match the color and it has this
01:11:20
interesting like metal oval that when you take it off of
01:11:26
the the speaker now you have a kickstand so if you want to go on the plane or whatever and kick it up or if you want
01:11:31
to distract your kids at dinner because they're being noisy you can kick it up on the table but then it can fold back in and then still snap right onto the
01:11:38
hole it like doesn't affect something so cool get the uh the 256 gigabyte is 100 more
01:11:46
so it's 5.99 so 4.99 which is pretty nice I'm trying to look for accessories
01:11:51
I don't really know if they're selling they're not they haven't they showed the accessories but I don't think they are
01:11:57
selling them yet they'll probably sell them when they're a couple of them are live on Google Store really I'm looking right now there's the oh it's probably
01:12:03
the accessories section yeah it's in the accessory section okay because I was looking to see if they sold the Hub yet
01:12:09
and the Hub is coming soon it says it's not for sale yet if you want to buy a separate one a dock okay yeah thank you
01:12:15
yeah I do think that a separate I guess if you really like to carry the tablet around with you all day if you
01:12:22
have one like oh my God by your bed and in the living room then maybe you would get two of them but that just feels I
01:12:27
think those are the two like the kitchen somewhere downstairs somewhere upstairs basically like the bedroom in the
01:12:33
kitchen or something yeah if you want to bring them before I would hate to just leave it without a tablet out there I think that would look kind of weird so
01:12:39
the official case is eighty dollars which is almost like a wire yeah that one's 80. 80 and then there's a spec
01:12:47
um made standy shell is what they call it which is basically like it has a kickstand built in and that's 50. that
01:12:53
looks it's a totally different color and yeah the official case the cases are the same
01:12:59
color as the body so it looks exactly the same basically um and it has the metal ring
01:13:05
eighty dollars seems kind of stupid I will say the guy in front of me when we
01:13:10
were watching the thing he was like taking notes or whatever and then he looked up at the end and he looked back at us he was like there's no keyboard
01:13:16
and I was like no there's no keyboard and he was like oof ouch and started writing about how bad that was how are you gonna I don't think this is a tablet
01:13:22
people are gonna put you're not gonna carry a separate keyboard with you when it's mostly on the dock yeah I think
01:13:28
this is the people who put a a tablet on a keyboard are suddenly like a high performance like yeah I'm buying this
01:13:36
tablet this is Media consumption this is entertainment purposes when you're using it in tablet mode and yeah they did to
01:13:41
be fair they also do mention how Google has some of the best voice to text translate so like there's not a lot
01:13:47
there is the split screen keyboard but like most of the time you're going to want to put text on this thing you're
01:13:52
just gonna use your voice facts yeah yeah so that guy you know who you are yeah I love this was this I'm so glad we
01:14:01
got to the point it got announced and I still love everything about it and I cannot wait for one of these
01:14:08
hahaha we'll see about this camera as an ameg pixel camera on the back has no portrait
01:14:14
mode has no heightened features oh no it's just like it's a tablet with a camera what are you going to use it for yeah like like occasional video calls
01:14:21
whatever shut up it's got a front-facing camera stop is it's a 60hz display I'm sure it's
01:14:27
gonna be a fine battery but we still got to test that so we'll see but I think it's in a pretty good place right now yeah and we have one more quick thing to
01:14:34
talk about we'll make it kind of quick even though we probably could talk for a while which is find my Android right yes
01:14:40
underrated announcement of yeah for the whole thing and I have many questions about it I feel like this was the most
01:14:45
active we were in the slack so you started talking about this okay so so basically they made they started
01:14:52
actually with this announcement of if you are being followed by a rogue air tag it will Now notify you on your
01:14:59
Android phone and that was the thing that was like making headlines before all people are putting air tags in cars and their iPhones are telling them that
01:15:05
they're being followed by an air tag but hey if you're stalking somebody with an Android phone they're not even yeah they're not gonna all right now it's
01:15:10
being built into Android because they can do that they work with apple on this by the way thankfully they had to yeah
01:15:17
and then there was this mention of they're actually on this now this
01:15:22
network of billions of Android phones which are all contributing to sort of
01:15:28
this find my thing now and Loki that's a way bigger find my network than iPhones
01:15:34
yeah a lot of parts of the world in anywhere but the United States even even probably the United States
01:15:40
yeah even still in the United States if it's not bigger it's still enough yeah it's enormous uh so that's that's pretty
01:15:46
cool yeah we have a we have a super useful find my network of billions of Android phones yeah they've always had
01:15:51
well not always but for a very long time they've had find my device which is just like it's a place you can go on your
01:15:58
Google account on the internet where you can ring your phone remotely or you can wipe your phone remotely
01:16:03
um but now the fact that every device is sort of contributing to it so even if
01:16:08
it's I think it's like even if it doesn't have data other phones that walk by will kind of like give its location
01:16:14
and triangulate it it's really cool and they also announced that they're going to be able to implement it into like
01:16:20
partner devices so like I think they showed off some Sony headphones so like xm5s or something and my question is you
01:16:28
have to pay to be on Apple's find my network like the van move bike has find my the the premium one the cheaper van
01:16:36
moved by because they just announced doesn't have it right and I'm assuming that Apple charges a licensing for you to use it my question is does Google
01:16:44
also charge a licensing fee to put find my into this I assume they do I would
01:16:49
assume that but I don't know yeah and and it's going to be like so now are all
01:16:54
devices going to pay both licensing fees to Apple and Google to be on both and my
01:17:00
other wait so sorry well I'm just saying who else is just going to even do the Android one because you assume all
01:17:05
Android devices are part of this so then you're just gonna assume all Samsung products are probably gonna have like
01:17:11
let's just think earbuds headphones first right that's what you lose a ton of Galaxy buds are gonna have to be right it's because you lose it pixel
01:17:18
buds are going to have to be on this they don't have to pay a licensing fee or my Sony link but it's going to be on it because Sony makes Android devices
01:17:24
are they going to pay for that but then go a step further our Sennheiser right earbuds going to be on this like who's
01:17:30
going to pay into that I feel like we just so often at least in the U.S think
01:17:35
there's apple and there's just everything else seems to fall under Android when it doesn't really but there
01:17:42
are a lot of things it kind of does but at the same time like I don't know if the like send one of the Sennheiser air
01:17:50
earbuds yeah like are those gonna be on the find my network now or are they
01:17:55
gonna have to pay extra for that guy into it yeah I'm also also wondering that something I was really hoping for
01:18:01
at the side that they didn't announce is an air tag competitor sold by Google yeah
01:18:06
um there was a fake one that was distributed uh with a name that I don't want to say on the podcast uh with a
01:18:13
funny name that was like a fake Google Air tag that um anyway I was hoping that they would release one of those they didn't did
01:18:21
which feels weird because now that they launched this like enhanced find my system I would hope that they would have
01:18:28
their own air tag competitor because I've always told people if you're if you have any Apple devices you don't even
01:18:33
need an iPhone if you have a MacBook an air tag is the best thirty dollars you will ever spend because it means you
01:18:39
will literally never lose the thing you attach it to ever again and if you do you will find it and like it's for that
01:18:45
like peace of mind it is really really good and so being able to add this Android find my feature to any you know
01:18:53
a regular a camera or something is super worth it yeah um chipolo which is tile's
01:18:59
biggest competitor is on Apple's find my entire sued Apple because of the whole
01:19:04
like you can either join us or we'll destroy you think yeah they do both yeah yeah we did a whole video about that
01:19:10
they should make
01:19:18
if they sold it for even like five dollars less if they sold it for 25 instead of 30 they probably sell one ton
01:19:24
it's got to be coming I bet you it'll it'll probably come out in the fall with the new Google Hardware
01:19:32
that'd be awesome well yeah that's a that's the in the weeds we've we've gone through
01:19:38
everything pretty much we actually went through the entire i o um you just watch this instead of
01:19:43
watching the Aya recap this is probably just then you wouldn't see them you wouldn't see the bird oh and Bard got
01:19:48
Dark theme oh yeah yeah true biggest Applause of the day that's true that's like the Applause in person is way more
01:19:56
annoying than on the livestream I was just staring at people that's why are you applauding no one was applauding it
01:20:01
was probably Engineers that were sitting in the front there were celebrities yeah the thirds trivia times
01:20:10
all right trivia get out your white boards we brought these all the way from
01:20:16
New Jersey to be here with us in sunny California even though it wasn't sunny this morning it was freezing we were
01:20:23
freezing it was so cold I was very upset still sunny still sunny it was not it was very glad it's always sunny in San
01:20:29
Francisco yeah okay anyway we had magic editor it could have been sunny question number one
01:20:35
Google deepmind has been brought in and out of Google several times over the past decade but today at Google I O it
01:20:42
was announced that Google's parent company alphabet will be merging Deep Mind with what Google subsidiary
01:20:48
foreign you can't hear the music but I press the waiting music so you got like 30 seconds
01:20:54
to write your answer David has already wrote you staring at me in my soul
01:20:59
Andrew's blacking out I'm going oh no at all I'm all in baby absolutely no I'm
01:21:04
either I just don't you guys always talk about Google subsidiaries and I just don't know any of them Marquez is writing oh wait Andrew did
01:21:12
you say alphabets I'm not looking okay also why would I change my answer when I'm already correct who got him okay
01:21:19
flip him and wait Andrew you're done yeah I wrote Google
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I wrote Google brain correct [Music]
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Google X wrong don't you say Google brain in the next question what what that was the next question
01:21:38
next question which version of Android was the first
01:21:44
one optimized for tablets and I press the waiting at least like at least I know I can guess at this one
01:21:51
quick update on the score I will read while we're waiting Marquez has 14 Andrew has nine David has 14.
01:22:00
Andrew was just here to get trivia questions wrong and chew bubblegum all out of bubbles
01:22:10
you guys ready yeah yeah Cameron Reed oh you're right
01:22:16
I got the number on the name wrong I got the number right what'd you say I said Android 4.0 ice cream sandwich
01:22:22
wrong yeah wrong sorry
01:22:29
how's that well yeah it can still be wrong but okay
01:22:34
I wrote honeycomb correct let's go Droid honeycomb what
01:22:39
number was honeycomb I believe it was three three yeah h i yeah
01:22:45
so ice cream sandwich was for but that was 4.0 yeah that was Nexus
01:22:51
Galaxy Nexus the awkward thing about honeycomb is it only went on tablets it wasn't really tablet optimized so I had
01:22:57
to zoom it was the under Motorola Zoom it was almost it was like it was called like hollow hollow hollow UI was Ice
01:23:04
Cream Sandwich which also launched on honeycomb at the same time that's why
01:23:09
thanks all right final score Marquez with 14 still
01:23:14
Andrew stop laughing I'll come over there David in the lead with 15.
01:23:22
my Iceland mess-ups have nothing on this let's go well played well done well done David
01:23:28
we've um We've ran out of time I'm sure this is just as long as a keynote at
01:23:33
this point but I'm so hungry we have to get in and out yeah we're we're done let's wrap this up and go in and out uh
01:23:39
any last words on anything we should talk about I think I should get another trivia point for getting the stand
01:23:44
question correct I'm gonna veto that okay yeah yeah agreed all right sorry
01:23:50
that's fair if you were in dead last I'd think about it but that's a no for me all right you
01:23:58
know what we'll give a point to Andrew Justin just for that I want to give a point to Brandon because he's helping us
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shoot this episode thank you oh this is the first oh I'm gonna play aperture all right here oh who am I saying this too
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yeah waveform is produced by Adam Molina Ellis rovin and Brandon hovard on camera today we're partnering with VOX media
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