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the screen is pretty dope it's really bright it is no that's the actual biggest this is the 13 in right Yep this
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is pretty sick we should go live we should start the Pod damn it's good first reaction for David damn are we
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recording this okay well there it is okay that's the that's the intro the
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exactly can you guys wow this is really freaking [Music]
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thin yo what is up people of the internet welcome back to the waveform podcast we're your hosts I'm Marquez I'm
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Andrew and I'm David and we're all actually three ai ai ai and we're going to be doing
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this podcast uh by training it on all previous waveform episodes
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so whatever whatever we say will just be a remix of things we've already said and
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uh it'll be great thanks for tuning in just kidding uh wish we have two episodes to record today and that would
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take a lot of no we're we got a I AI to talk about today there's a lot of
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acronyms that I'm that I'm mixing up but IO happened open AI had an event a lot
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of AI things were talked about and uh we should we should summarize it yeah cuz I
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didn't watch any we can just use Gemini to summarize it oh yeah true yeah that would actually be perfect but first wait
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I have the iPad here it was iPad week last week oh right uh I was away so I didn't get to fully uh do my review yet
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but I have been using it and well this is the 13 I just hit the mic really hard
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this is the it would have been harder with the old heavy one though true yeah this is thinner and lighter than ever it is uh you this is the first time you
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guys are like seeing it in person cuz you like left immediately after it came in basically yeah I like took it out the
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box and then like packed up and flew to Columbia so like you guys didn't get to see it guys look at this cool iPad I have okay bye see you later but um you
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know getting it back I have been I one of those people who has been using an M1 iPad Pro for how how years however long
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it's been since it came out and set this one up mirror it to the old one so it literally has that old wallpaper I don't
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know if you guys remember this wallpaper from M1 it's like years old and I've been using it the exact same way and
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doing all the exact same things which is which is emails web browsing YouTube wow
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uh some Netflix offline Netflix on the plane oh wait what were you watching um
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drive to survive I'm very behind don't judge me uh and yeah Twitter buying
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things on Amazon like I got some widgets going it's just the same thing as before
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powerful and it's just thinner and that's that's mainly you crushing a
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bunch of artistic tools with it oh of course yeah everything just shoved into this iPad no it's that's here I'll let
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you guys hold it if you guys don't want to actually experience I know David wanted to see it I still have a huge
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issue this is the most oh you weren't here last week when we talked about it right it is the most like non-uniform
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camera bump I feel like I've ever seen out of apple and it feels so onapple like not a single circle on there is the
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same diameter as a different one yeah I never thought I didn't think about it that much so they got rid of the ultra wide camera didn't really talk about it
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g they didn't even mention that at all whenever they get rid of something oh they they never want want to say it out loud and then so now we just have the
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regular the lar and the The Flash and then whatever that tiny cutout is maybe
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that's a there is a microphone mic oh the mic other one this is lar I think yeah big one is lar is this big Flash
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and then I don't even know what that is yeah none of them are the same size though correct it feels like the models
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that we get yeah there's usually at least one that's the same size it could have at least gone with the LG velvet
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thing and made it like big medium small you know that Co but instead it's like medium large small it's damn it just
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doesn't feel like an apple camera bump yeah it's unesthetic the screen does look dope though yeah okay so the actual
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biggest differences so if you've seen The Impressions video already you know the new differences but there are some interesting yeah there's some
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interesting choices with this iPad one of them being that it is substantially thinner and it's the thinnest Apple
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device ever made with a screen that's my oh yeah cuz no the Apple card or yeah
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they've made thinner objects before yeah but this is the thinnest device yeah the
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thinnest device they've ever made and it is 5.1 mm thin do you know how much thinner it is than the last one probably
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about 2 mm thinner 2 mm I don't know what I'm I'm American so that means nothing it's not a lot but it is it is
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visually noticeable what is that in Subway sandwiches I I'm American so I I
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can't do it's one piece of lettuce one piece of lettuce I have the actual answer it's hilarious it's a 20th of an
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inch thinner a a 20th of an inch I have a do you know they keep
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comparing it to the iPad Nano clip I think it was and they're saying it is thinner not the clip one they're
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comparing it to the long one the long Nano the long Nano I thought I saw a different one where they were comparing
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it to the clips both they're comparing it to the seventh gen the clip I believe was the Sixth Gen yeah the seventh gen I
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saw something the other day but are they including the camera bump in the uh on the iPad or are they only
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counting the sides I don't think they're including the camera bump yeah wait here iPod Shuffle third gen oh it does have a
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clip this has a clip but they counting the clip no I don't think you count well there's no screen on it but that's not
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what they said I don't think they counted the clip in all the videos it's just the aluminum
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housing up against it that's the body of it mhm I just think it's an interesting choice because they decided to actually
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make it thinner again like we got years and years of iPads that were totally thin enough right and then this year coming out and making a big deal about
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it being thinner was really fascinating to me cuz I thought we were done with that yeah Johnny IV's gone Johnny IV's
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gone but here we are and to me there's a lot of choices about that this iPad that
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feel Tim Cook and I'm going to try to explain this in the review but here's maybe the most Tim Cook choice of them
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all there's a new Apple pencil Pro right mhm the new Apple pencil Pro is only
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compatible with the newest iPad Pro that you're holding or iPad Air yeah now why
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is that why is that true because they moved the webcam the front facing webcam
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from the narrow side to the long side which is where it belongs but now that's write exactly where that pencil is
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supposed to charge so now there's both the webcam and the apple pencil what are you trying to do intive the brightness
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oh it's on the right you have to pull from the from the right pull pull from the battery oh yeah okay so so okay so
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the apple pencil now charges in the same exact spot but there's also now webcam there so they had to arrange the magnets
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and the way it charges those components differently on that side right so it doesn't work the same way as the old
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ones why didn't they just move the apple pencil to charge on the other side of
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the iPad like the bottom yeah because of the the folio the Poco pins for the why
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why just move it why might put like one to the left and one to the right on the
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top magnets actually it'd be pretty yeah that's a good idea I think it's a sneaky
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great smart way of making sure if you want to use any features of this new apple pencil you need to buy the newest
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iPad I think that's true so yeah that happened it's like one step more than at
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least the like new pixel coming out and being like only available on Pixel and then 6 months later being like okay it's
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actually available on all at least this has somewhat of a hardware difference which is why it strikes me as very Tim
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Cook cuz supply chain guy would find a way to make sure nothing changes and the other ones and now it just works with
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the new ones it's sort of like uh how the M2 MacBook Pros sold really really
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badly because the M1 was so good it's similar in that the iPad is so iPad and
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what more iPad could you add to the iPad that they have to like have a better accessory that you have to have the new
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iPad to be able to use yeah cuz you know it's thinner cool but no one's going to buy it cuz it's thinner exactly and the
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good display on the last generation was almost as good as this display yeah so I can talk about the display in a second
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the other Tim Cook thing is the new iPad Air uh is just a bunch of newer parts that
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used to be an iPad Pros it's like it has the M2 now it has like the webcam on the side again and all these things that are like oh we we we now have a better iPad
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Air full of things that we already saw in iPads so that's very efficient very
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efficient but yeah the new display it's just brighter that's the main thing you'll notice it is obviously a really
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interesting Tech to make it happen it's this this tandem OLED display which is not something I've ever seen in a a
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shipping Gadget before which is cool it's in cars I in cars yeah it's in car
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displays yeah we we went down this Rabbit Hole a little bit ago because Apple really wanted everyone to believe
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like this is we we just invented the tandem OLED display but if you go on
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like display makers websites and display industry journals like the first concept
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displays by LG were coming out in like 2017 2018 they entered mass production
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in with LG in 2019 of a specific of a specific stacked
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OLED yeah referred to in as tandem OLED and it's the same thing and then Samsung
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just began as far as I could tell Samsung just began their mass production for iPad this year um and I couldn't
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find any like leaks or like confirmation like this product uses an LG tandem OLED
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display but in LG's marketing materials on the industrial side of things they're
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very clear like we are shipping these things like hot cakes in our Automotive departments we also had a viewer sorry
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Zach reach out and say that honor has a product from a few months ago with a durable double layer OLED screen yeah
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it's it's so in the industry that LG actually makes a 17in tandem OLED
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folding touchcreen that I wouldn't be surprised if is in products like the the
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okay I could not find any sources for this but there's only one thing out there with a 17inch folding touch OLED
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screen yeah the Asus Zenbook fold whatever and I'm like is that is that a
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tan OLED is was Asus that is interesting anyway this is all like Ellis's tinfoil hat conspiracy display industry nonsense
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so take it all the great can that be a new segment of the podcast yeah tinfoil hat segment I will say the purpose of
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the tandem OLED display is to give you both the benefits of OLED and super High brightness so in tablets we straight up
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have not had this combination of brightness and contrast ratios yet so I'll give them credit for that like the
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we've had oleds in that huge also super thin what is it called Galaxy tab
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pro4 or whatever just gigantic tablet we reviewed and it's awesome inside it's
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this super huge bright OLED and it feels like you're holding this magical piece of glass but it has like 500 600 in its
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Max brightness cuz it's not as bright get bright so here we are we have this
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new awesome thing that is better at Max brightness better Outdoors better on a
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plane with the window open right that type of thing great yeah it's the exact same brightness as the mini LED display
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on the last iPad Pro 12.9 in model and now deeper blacks yes1 in bigger because
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they're off love that because they're pixels that are off so infinite contrast
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ratio yeah so I've been using it I don't know I'm going to put my review together I don't think it's going to be a standard review I think it's more just
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me diving into my maybe tinfoil hat theories about some of the weird choices why is it thinner this year why is the
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apple pencil only compatible with this one this year why do they do all these things why they get rid of the ultra wide camera there's a bunch of
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interesting choices that they made with I think that is a better angle to go with for the review because what else
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are you going to say exactly yeah it's the same like I saw someone did a review that wasn't at all about the device
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really it was like what does iPad OS need for me to actually want to buy the M4 iPad Pro I would also be into that
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which is a better video yeah like and it's also such an evergreen that's been like the question on our minds for like
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four years now it's like this is a really powerful thing that's still an iPad so what do we wanted to do MH okay
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sick that's the iPad I just wanted to throw one more thing in from last week I did because last week I very
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dismissively was like stem splitter is boring and I uh sick got drinks with a
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friend of mine who is you know working in the upper echelons of the music industry which I am not um and he
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graciously informed me that I was uh pretty wrong and that stem s splitter uh
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works way better than previous attempts and it's integrated really well into
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logic and as like a utility um it's actually like a really cool thing to
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have built into logic maybe not as a creative tool for making things necessarily but if you're a professional
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he was like this is very very cool so thank you unnamed friend yeah but yeah
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so sorry I wrote it off if you're working in music maybe you should check this out and not listen to me yeah also
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for those that maybe didn't watch the podcast last week or or forgot about it it's basically that during the iPad
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event they announced logic pro two for iPad yeah and also an update to logic I
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think it's called logic 11 now something like that but they're uh they're introducing a stem splitter feature
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where you can add any music file and it will separate the tracks I got a live demo of it and this is one of those
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things where the demo was so good that I was like this is definitely tailored
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exactly for this feature and I don't know how well it will work but in that demo it blew my mind at how well it
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worked and it was like here we gave it this song and we added we did the St splitter thing and it separated it out
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and here's the drums and here's the vocals and here's the bass and here's the different instruments all split out
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through the power of AI and apple silicon and you play back just the vocals and it's like it sounds like I'm
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just listening to a recording of just the vocals and yeah super cool tool to
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use and to me it always struck me like I don't use logic but it struck me as just like getting rid of some plugins that we're doing that in the past it's just
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like yeah we just built it in now it's like when Final Cut does a better tracking tool you're like oh well that's better than I was using so great so I
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just I I would love to see it on other tracks also a question could you just remove one of the stems and then content
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ID wouldn't like go off I think well Content ID is kind of like sophisticatedly Trend uh trained on more
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than just like the exact set of sounds I think it would still go off I think it would just because of some of the examples I've seen in the past of like a
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car driving by and like the radio is playing and they've gotten hit with stuff like that I've heard people have
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hummed songs and it gotten copy really yeah that's I think it's a great
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question but I have a feeling it goes on the it's a little more cautious when it
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comes to it and would probably still hit it okay that could be a short how many parts of a song can we delete before we
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get maybe we don't want to like destroy the channel testing make a new channel to test that yeah cool Jerry is still
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out on uh chromag glow uh I haven't I haven't used like I don't have any
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projects here where I'm like doing stuff like that so I haven't used it everyone I've talked to who is using it for work says the CPU usage is higher than they
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expected for like a apple native thing uh which might mean there actually is some AI stuff happening yeah but uh that
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would be my guess cuz it's probably really uh AI focused and M4 is specifically tailored to that because
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they have all the neural cores there's I there's an email in uh in Apple's inbox
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that's me being like please explain this to me okay yeah and chromag glow was the
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AI feature where they basically sampled a bunch of old really famous instruments and tried to extract the vibes from it
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so that you can The Vibes to allegedly straight VI extractor Vibe extractor
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that's what they should have called it dude way much more tell yeah telling yeah well speaking of an event that was
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lacking a lot of Vibes open AI had their event on Tuesday
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so I didn't get Monday Monday it's Wednesday yeah thank you so I didn't get to watch it no how did it go
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well it was interesting it was interesting yeah I would say the the high level stuff uh they announced a new
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version of GPT 4 there was this big thing where everyone was thinking they were going to unveil their own search
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engine the day before google.io that ended up not being true wild um Sam also
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tweeted that's not true like the day before which is funny but they did unveil something called GPT
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40 which I think is a terrible name okay uh also looks weird does the o stand for
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something yes it stands for Omni I had to do a lot of digging to find this on the day of okay and it's because it's
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now a multimodal model so Omni is supposed to mean everything it does
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everything Omni yeah cool but it it's kind of weird cuz it looks like 40 it's a lower quo it's a lower quo that feels
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weird it can't like smell it's not on me yet that's true they just didn't go over
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that part yet yeah so does native M multimodo which is good because the only other model I believe that was natively
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moim Modo was Gemini mhm um it is much faster than gbt 4 they say that it can
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respond in as fast as 232 milliseconds which is probably like the most ideal
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possible case during the event they were sort of talking to it naturally and talking back and forth and you know had
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that Scarlet Johansson voice when and when asked when they asked Miram morti
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like is this car Jo voice she's like what are you talking about we what no did you see the tweet that was like we
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know this isn't Scarlett Johansson's voice because none of her movies are on YouTube for it to rip from bur yeah um
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and so they did like this demo where they were talking back and forth to it pretty naturally and it works pretty
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well it definitely feels a lot more like the way that a human would speak to you oh a bedtime story about robots and love
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I got you covered gather around Barrett they did have to like interrupt it
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multiple times because it has the same problem that all assistants have where it doesn't just tell you your answer and move and stop it just tells you your
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answer and then keeps talking a bunch I would say the like the interrupting thing was also something that was like a
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feature that they were describing which I I think at the core is pretty cool like in a general conversation it's a
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good bandaid yeah people get interrupted or like sometimes you chime in on things people say we interrupt each other all
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the time so you know that's just part of natural say real quick disagree disagree
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real quick real and it did a pretty good job at it except for sometimes I felt like when they were talking to it was a
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little too cautious of thinking it was getting interrupted where there were legit Parts where it sounded like the audio was cutting out because they would
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ask it a question it would start answering and then I don't know if they like moved or like somebody in the audience said something but it would
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like cut out and then stop and they would have to ask it again or it would cut out then nothing would happen and it would start talking again it felt like
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it was trying to like be courteous of the person asking it and be like too conversational to the
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detriment of itself which was like cool but not great yeah this is this all
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comes back to the super highlevel original theory that I've said many
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times before about these AI chat models is they don't know what they're saying
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they are saying things because they are trained on things and can say things that are similar that look like they should be correct but once they have the
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sentence that they spit out they have no way of knowing they don't have a way of like understanding if they just said a
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true fact or or not they don't have any way of verifying they don't know what they're saying so if you were
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conversational then you could actually look at what you're about to say and then trim it because you realize oh this
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is like extra and we're in a conversation but it doesn't have any of that ability so I feel like the best the
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biggest advantage to these like okay 40 is cool and it's like faster and it's multimodal and all that but the ADV the
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the the Advan that I'm looking forward to the most is an llm that can actually
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fact check itself and understand what it's saying and do something about that so the funny thing is in Gemini there's
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a button that you can press like a Google button that it gives you an output and then you can press the Google thing fact no it fact checks itself does
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it yeah like cuz it's it goes straight from what the model thinks from the internet and there's like a double check
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button where it references more sources and then gives you a bunch of links and then can verify if it was true or not
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well it's supposed to I think it's going to still be on the person I think it is too because like when you have Gemini on
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the phone now there's a Google it button so if I if I go like what is the Marquez browny's podcast called and it says it's
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called The Verge cast the it could just tell you that and then give you a Google
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button and then you hit Google and then the results show up and it's like oh he has been on the vergecast but the it's
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called way for like you don't it's the human that still has to the fact check yeah so if it could if it could fact
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check itself and be like oh my bad I remember I just told you that it was wave for or one thing it's actually the
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other thing that that's what I want but I don't think any of them do that yeah and I really want I don't know if
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they're ever going to be able I mean maybe eventually it feels like it's just a layer on top of the llm the llm is
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already doing a lot of work and it's super cool what it can do but I just want that like okay now take your output feed it back into another layer where I
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can go okay I told you the truth yeah like how high can you get that confidence interval right yeah some other very weird things that it can do
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um there's like a vision version where you can talk to it while it uses your front-facing camera and it's supposed to
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be able to be able to understand your facial expressions as well as the intonation in your voice to better
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understand what you're asking in the context of what you're asking and they did a bunch of demos that were very like
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what is my facial expression which is like you know it's kind of like pushing what do I look like the borders of
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I feel like a lot of those examples were like it did a pretty good job of doing what they wanted but they always had to
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ask it specifically like if we were having a conversation mid conversation I wouldn't
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be like David look at my facial expression and get the hint here like inste they're like it can see your
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facial expression while we're talking and the guy goes look at me and look at my facial expression what is it and it's
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like that's not conversation I think that so we saw this issue with like the rabbit R1 as well right like all of the
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reviews are like what is this what is this and what is that like with the D perhaps what is this perhaps what is
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this uh and nobody's gonna do that in the real world but the way that everyone
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thinks that you need to test it is like if this doesn't work then the whole thing falls apart so you have to test
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like the least common denominator at first so I think that's why they were showing it is they proving it can
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understand your facial expressions but I still want to see more of a real world use case where my facial expression
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changing changes the output of the model yeah is that like it uses it as context or something that's what it says but
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they never showed any demos where it should and it's whole point one of the big things they talked about which I actually think it did a pretty good job
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with was like inflection in the voice and so like through quicker responses interrupting an inflection that's
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supposed to make it feel more conversationally based and and one thing I was thinking about was like sometimes
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it did a really good job but the problem with trying to replicate a human it just reminds me of like walking in video
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games like we have been doing that for so long and Graphics have gotten so good and it's still so obvious when like a
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video game character is walking and it doesn't look anything like a human right so like this thing will hit a couple
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little marks where it's like oh that kind of did sound like less of a robot but more and then it'll just do something that sounds exactly like an AI
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and it will I don't I think we're so far away from it being a true like to really confuse someone I'm picturing it like
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you ask it for the weather and it sees that you're happy and it goes it's raining outside bring an umbrella and it
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says sees someone who's like kind of sad and says what's the weather and it goes it's a little worse than normal out like
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it's totally fine like it tries to comfort you yeah I'll say one thing I thought that was impressive was like the
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way it fixed its mistakes sometimes or or like the way it had I'll use an
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example so like normally when you ask an llm or whatever something and it's wrong
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it'll just go like my mistake or just like the most Cann respon is of like my bad the same question and it gets it
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wrong again yeah yeah so there's a point in this where he asks it to look at his facial expression and its response was
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uh seems like I'm looking at a picture of a wooden surface oh you know what that was the thing I sent you before
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don't worry I'm not actually a table um okay so so take a take another look uh
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that makes more sense look again and tell me my facial
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expression where normally it would just be like my mistake and it said but instead it responded with like oh that
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makes more sense that makes more sense like I get it now and then answered so like it is semi- using the context of
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what's going on and making up these little things that it doesn't need to but that is a little tiny step that does
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make it feel more conversation I feel like they didn't harp on that because every time it did that was when it was
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screwing something up which they probably didn't want to linger on but like that actually to me was the most impressive that said like I feel like
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people are so used to them screwing things up that if you can screw things up in a more natural human way then
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that's kind of impressive it does feel more like the conversation and not just like ask you question you respond kind
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of crap I also think that they took like I don't think they took this from rabbit because they probably don't give a crap
00:26:44
about rabbit at all um I don't even think about you well yeah something the R1 did that the Humane AI pen didn't do
00:26:52
was it would go like hm I guess let me look that up for you and it saying words
00:26:57
the filler time it so what in the back does seem it Tak that and it did that a lot every time
00:27:03
they would ask it a question it would be like so they'd be like how tall is the Empire State Building whatever and like
00:27:10
oh you're asking about the Empire State Building sure it's blah blah blah blah and it's like if you just said nothing
00:27:16
and just had a waiting time that would feel that tension there would be like H but because it's repeating it back to
00:27:22
you you don't feel any delay but then it so you feel less delay but it feels more
00:27:27
AI like that's that's that to me is like a giveaway if I'm talking to a human and I'm like bro how tall is the Empire
00:27:33
State Building and he goes you're asking about the Empire State Building the Empire State Building is and I'm like why are you saying all this just say
00:27:39
them over you're stalling I see I think if you sorry well yeah that more human
00:27:44
there's a part in there that is doing what you're saying but I think they did an even better job which was anytime
00:27:50
they asked a question that had multiple questions or like points of reference in the question you could almost tell it
00:27:57
was think of how to respond and then could respond respond while it was thinking of
00:28:03
the next response it was going to tack onto that so this wasn't in theuh actual event but they did a bunch of test
00:28:09
videos on their YouTube channel and one of them was a guy saying he says like
00:28:14
also they all say hey chat GPT which I hate I would like a name or something like that's a long wake word um but he
00:28:21
said hey chat GPT I'm about to become a father and I need some dad jokes for
00:28:26
like the future can I tell you some and you can tell me if it's funny and you're asking the AI jokes are funny bad
00:28:34
example but you could tell the two responses it had cooked up ready to go
00:28:39
which made it feel quicker so after he said that it responded with oh that's so
00:28:44
exciting congratulations on becoming a new parent and you could tell that was one response and then the next response
00:28:50
was like sure I'm happy to listen to a joke and tell you if it's funny so you could tell that while it was waiting to
00:28:55
figure out response to yeah had response one loaded already and I think that that
00:29:01
is how that they're able to claim like such faster models is that they're like is is that they just use filler content
00:29:09
like they take the the important information that they actually have to parse through the the model and they
00:29:16
crunch that while they take the very simple things and can fire that off to you rapidly with like a conversational
00:29:22
that's way better filler though than just like hm you want to know what the Brooklyn Bridge is like I can tell you
00:29:27
what that is like it is blah blah blah conations on becoming a father even though I don't really want to hear that
00:29:33
from an AI yeah it's a little weird I'm proud of you dead
00:29:39
up God yeah yeah so yeah I mean I actually I thought it was uh the event
00:29:46
in general was pretty good I'll give them a which nice huge points for that
00:29:53
was 26 minutes I think it was way shorter they didn't try to just like keep it going
00:29:58
um they did a bunch of math with it which was kind of cool because that's a big thing that you know they've been
00:30:04
trying to do like if you're just predicting then you're not actually doing reasoning right and I'm sure it's
00:30:09
still just doing that but with higher accuracy it does seem like every example is like most like childlike task ever
00:30:18
like name this one thing or just like read all of my code and tell me exactly what it does there doesn't seem to be
00:30:24
the in between I think that mostly comes down to poor examples that
00:30:29
all them you said all Theos are like hey you show this by looking like a total and
00:30:36
asking it the most basic question ever I was thinking about this during the the Google IO conference yesterday and I I think this is every AI demo that you do
00:30:44
it's like you make your engineers like look like total idiots because they have to ask the most basic questions just
00:30:50
because they have to show that the AI can do it they're like oh so like for example that they had it work it they
00:30:57
had upt 40 work it through a math problem that was what is 1 x + 1 = 4
00:31:04
like 3x plus 3x + 1al 4 and it was like how do I solve this can you work it through me step by step and it was like
00:31:11
well first what do we do when we want to figure out an an exponent move all the
00:31:16
exponents to one side and so it basically like just took it through the basic math and it's funny because Google
00:31:22
at. did a lot of the same stuff where it was like this could be useful for kids this could useful for kids which
00:31:28
reminded me a lot of the the rabbit thing that we talked about yeah um it's
00:31:34
not just that it's like cuz this has been on my mind like it seems like as we get deeper and deeper into this AI
00:31:39
assistant nightmare the the use case examples are getting worse like like
00:31:45
they're like not only they're making their own employees look kind of dumb sometimes but then they'll try to like balance it with the sort of like human
00:31:52
example like the hey can you teach me some dad jokes like I know I say this before on the pot but it's like what a
00:31:58
sad reality when you're like assuming you you I'm assuming you have a spouse you know you're about to welcome your
00:32:03
first child that's who I guess like you want to impressed with it's like but it's like what's the like oh no my
00:32:09
spouse like isn't funny at all like like they they can't help me like Workshop these jokes I need stupid computer or
00:32:15
like I actually kind of hate them and would rather talk to them it's like what are you talking about one of the Gemini
00:32:20
examples that they showed in the original Gemini demo that they showed again yesterday in like a Sizzle reel
00:32:26
was write a cute social Med post for backer and it which is their dog and it
00:32:31
was like baer's having a great Saturday #k and I'm like are you that Den okay
00:32:38
yeah I see are you really Outsourcing that to an AI know what is wrong with
00:32:43
you that I think these these individual examples have to be bad because there's
00:32:50
no one example you can give that will apply to everyone watching so they're trying to give like a Halo example that
00:32:56
app no one individually it applies to no one but the concepts of it are maybe
00:33:03
applicable because that's when you see all the LinkedIn posts about like oh this changed my like when you see write
00:33:08
a cute social media post about my dog on one half of LinkedIn people are going it can do copyrighting oh cool and on the
00:33:15
other half it's people going it can write my school essay for me oh cool and
00:33:20
on the other half there's people going it can write a letter for me like when I need a condolences letter there there
00:33:26
are a bunch feel what you would Outsource a cond a condolences like some
00:33:32
people would bro I just I just got back from a tournament with I have a teammate
00:33:37
who is a ghost rider for executives at large corporations so I'm not going to
00:33:42
say their name or the corporations but many of these presidents of schools and CEOs have to write letters and things
00:33:49
all the time to congratulate someone on something or to write back to an alumni
00:33:55
to convince them to donate or all these other and they just don't have time to have all that bandwidth and so they hire a
00:34:01
person to do it or there's someone going oh the AI can do that now yes that's super useful I like when I wrote to
00:34:07
Obama in 2012 and I got a letter back that was signed to Barack Obama I was like what yeah that's somebody's job
00:34:13
right now guess how many more letters that person's going to that's one thing but being like yo I'm sorry this person
00:34:19
you like died like having the computer was like no I have a teammate I thought he was going to be like who just
00:34:24
recently lost something and I really didn't feel like writing this no but no that's true I mean it's I'll
00:34:31
the examples are are very specific that I'm giving but it's like they're trying to give you like one Ultra generic
00:34:37
example that applies to no one so that everyone else's more specific examples that they wouldn't use on stage because
00:34:42
it's too small a group can kind of be tied into it in a way so yes you're going to get some really brutally
00:34:48
generic like write a caption for my dog
00:34:53
and they're like okay I just learned that it can write I just learned that it knows the subjects and it can just think
00:34:59
that I think that's what they're I guess you're right but I mean I think it can be that and
00:35:06
there still should be some someone making more creative examples because both of these events and we'll get into
00:35:12
the Google one later were just felt like there was no wow factor it felt so simple and it made all of the AI stuff
00:35:19
feel really boring and tedious okay I got an example for you because we were talking earlier and I was telling you
00:35:25
that I feel like after the last two events I'm actually more optimistic about the state of AI than I was before
00:35:31
these events because everything was so mundane so because there was because
00:35:36
everything you're more optimistic about Humanity living with AI and yes yes exactly I'm more optimistic that it's
00:35:42
not going to take us over and like Dy oh yeah wor because I feel like the trend that they're all moving towards is
00:35:48
having the like broad example and then everyone can kind of have their own little slice of AI for their own
00:35:54
personal use case so for example this got me thinking I read books like I'm sure many people
00:36:00
do I know I'm flexing um but I like doing book clubs but I don't know anyone
00:36:07
that's reading my same books at the same time can I go online and find people that are doing this sure but then David
00:36:13
and I have tried to have book clubs like three times it's like when we were reading the AI book The Google book like
00:36:18
two years ago yeah so it's like some sometimes exactly that is that is my problem sorry also no one else in my
00:36:26
life is really like super into fantasy books like that can I find one person and make sure they're reading the same chapter that I am every week sure that's
00:36:33
annoying I just want to talk to someone and be like that would be cool right and having an AI know exactly where I am in
00:36:39
the book and being able to have a conversation about characters and things I was doing it the other day with Gemini
00:36:45
just to test it out because this thought came to me and I'm reading a book right now so I was like oh without spoiling
00:36:50
anything tell me about blah blah blah and this character and what you think and they came back with like legitimate
00:36:56
answers which was like pretty interesting are you not worried it's going to mess up the spoil part and just
00:37:02
be like oh great uh character a was so good and then like but it's really said
00:37:08
when they di 25 Pages later I have to say that now but at some point and I think in the near future it can easily
00:37:14
know where I am in the book and know not to you really want to have a book club with a computer I don't want to have a book club period I just sometimes want
00:37:21
to like talk about characters and stuff with the computer with anyone I don't know man I hate to break it to you
00:37:27
there's this thing called Reddit and any discussion you want to have about a book is already on there they're all spoilers
00:37:33
or spoiler-free but like it's not synced up exactly the page that I'm up to
00:37:38
there's also and I have a I have a tangent example that's like when you're in an extremely specific case like when
00:37:43
you have sometimes it's tech support or just like a product that you use and you're like digging through forums like I need to find someone with my exact
00:37:51
issue with these exact symptoms and these exact bugs and like you can go to
00:37:56
a forum or Reddit and like type it out and like wait for people or you can go hey computer like look at all of the
00:38:02
people who have ever had any issues related to this and then let me have a conversation with you about those issues
00:38:07
and maybe I can figure this one out because then you're sort of like bringing in hopefully the most relevant information and instead of having to
00:38:13
click click click through every single comment you can sort of like talk to the person who knows all the comments and then when new issues get populated
00:38:19
throughout the Universe and they don't get populated onto the internet the AIS will no longer be able to solve your problems I I agree like I think Mark has
00:38:27
is really right like that is like kind of part of the dream of the AI the a future what's so concerning is
00:38:34
increasingly and I I do also agree with you Marquez like they have to give these sort of weird broad examples to satisfy
00:38:40
all these different camps but it does feel like increasingly there's this message being subtly projected at us at
00:38:47
the events that's like you know what's so exhausting syp sympathy love uh being an
00:38:55
emotional being that let's fuing have the computer do it I think that's just again poor creative examples like they
00:39:03
could think of so many better examples where this would actually be like useful and you know how the iPad Mini
00:39:09
specifically targets Pilots yes and like I'm listening you don't really know about that except I'm sure that the
00:39:16
pilot Community is always like super we love iPad minis yeah but if the whole
00:39:21
event was about Pilots you tune out I don't know like I I feel like I'm interested in how can A specific group
00:39:28
of people use this in a specific way you know because like I can at least sympathize I can at least empathize well
00:39:35
I guess empathize is not the right word but I can understand like oh yeah that is being helpful to part of the human
00:39:42
race if you're a company like apple you need everyone to picture themselves as that part I was just going to use apple
00:39:48
as an example for not doing Apple watch Ultra their examples were like scuba diver extreme like hiker or Trail Runner
00:39:57
and like yeah and that's still sold to hundreds of thousands of people who will never do any of because it's
00:40:03
aspirational marketing yeah that's that's the pickup truck effect that's like this thing is built everything yeah whereas I think
00:40:11
yeah the pickup truck effect 100% people like but what if I need it at some point what if I want to help my friends
00:40:16
move like driving over rocks like built T nobody you live in Brooklyn hey man I
00:40:23
have a gravel driveway I gra there are leaves on my street
00:40:29
sometimes it snowed once I need the clearance yeah that's that is very much the challenge the prepper mentality of
00:40:35
America we should we have to take a break I think we do okay I just need to finish the event real quick okay uh irony super ironic um there's a Mac app
00:40:43
coming for chat GPT only a Mac app which is hilarious cuz Microsoft basically
00:40:48
kind of owns open AI not really but sort of and they also sorry I'm going to butt in just because of that sentence they
00:40:54
open the whole thing with like we are trying our goal is to bring chat GPT
00:40:59
anywhere you want except unless you have a Windows computer I guess which I think
00:41:04
is because Microsoft like their whole next big move is co-pilot everywhere like there's literally a co-pilot key on
00:41:11
all the new Windows computers like is there move already I think that basically like whatever open AI does
00:41:17
with chat GPT is just going to be co-pilot with a it's it's a skin that's
00:41:23
it's called co-pilot but it's basically just chat GPT so but it is awkward that
00:41:28
they have all this marketing that's like chat gbt is everywhere except for our biggest
00:41:33
funer um they said it's coming to Windows later this year which is going
00:41:39
to be super awkward it's basically going to be like the Google assistant in Gemini thing because there's going to be co-pilot and then there's going to be an
00:41:44
open like chat GPT app on Windows as well right which they're the same product basically
00:41:51
it's a branding issue um that was basically it that's all I wanted to say okay I thought it was funny well we got
00:41:57
we got another event to talk about but we'll we'll get to that after the break basically the same event with a different
00:42:02
name and eight times longer yeah yeah but uh since we are taking a break we
00:42:08
should also take some time for [Music]
00:42:14
trivia the lights work again are they different colors they go by our voice depend on how
00:42:20
loud right the the lights have a mind of their own honestly they AI run they are
00:42:25
AI run uh and in this case uh AI stands for
00:42:32
Marquez can you please stop right now people in their cars are really mad sorry about that and the
00:42:38
people watching the dishes sh anyway so after the break we're going to get into all of our good old Google IO discussion
00:42:45
but I was reading the Google Blog as I do from time to time called the keyword very silly um and I learned something
00:42:53
even sillier than the name the keyword and that's we all like know what Google
00:42:58
iio like the io stands for like input output yeah Google on the keyword actually lists two alternate
00:43:04
explanations for why they chose IO and I will give you a point for each of those explanations that you can give me is
00:43:12
each explanation just what the I and what the O is or is there like more to it it's there's more they're not
00:43:18
acronyms there's more to it but not like that much they're they're backronyms right uh wait like IO is the backr like
00:43:27
does it stand for something uh one of one of them yes I think I know one of
00:43:32
them and then the other one is more gray than that you guys shouldn't have asked
00:43:38
you shouldn't have asked it that's your you're the trivia Master you got to decide what questions your stands for
00:43:44
I'm out which is exactly how I felt when it started
00:43:49
yesterday well that's a good segue we'll take a quick ad break we'll be right back I'm out
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00:45:05
have noticed we just kind of alluded to the fact that google.io was Tuesday this was uh arguably in my most
00:45:13
humble opinion because I'm the humblest person on this podcast in this current moment nice correct no I'm anyway uh one
00:45:22
of the most soulless Google iOS I have ever watched W um I was thinking about
00:45:29
this this morning I was like remember when Google iio was Sergey Brin jumping out of a helicopter with Google Glass on
00:45:36
and Landing yeah in San Francisco live and remember that live and then we got
00:45:42
Project Ara with the which was the modular smartphone with all the bits and pizza I mean we got IO announcement we
00:45:50
got like Project Loon which was like bringing internet to like random countries are all these things that you
00:45:57
so far dead yeah yeah it's still it's still fun at iio though yeah like I
00:46:03
remember being like year Starlet Starin Starline we at least got that yeah I
00:46:09
just remember being like in in high school and being like wow Google is such a cool company I'm so I want to work
00:46:16
there so I wanted to work there so bad I was like everything they do is just a moonshot idea it might not work out but
00:46:22
it doesn't matter because it's all funded by search which is cool it's like they have an infinite money machine that
00:46:28
keeps turning and because of that they can just do whatever the heck they want and this year it kind of felt like they
00:46:33
were pivoting to be a BB company I'm not going to lie they talked about AI models constantly they talked about the price
00:46:40
that they're charging developers to access their AI models which is something Microsoft would do which is something open AI would do but that is
00:46:47
not something that Google used to do at Google IO yeah IO io's changed I was
00:46:52
definitely this year felt like this it felt like you know the like part in
00:46:58
every IO where they talk about all their servers and tpus and all that and there's like that exact same graphic
00:47:04
every single year first of all that graphic got used probably 45 times whoever made that is not getting paid
00:47:10
enough for how much they use the likeness of it but it felt like that like end 25 minutes of every IO where
00:47:16
where you're like all right all the cool stuff happened like when are we getting out of there that felt like the entire event it was like the most low
00:47:24
energy IO I've ever seen I mean I've only been here covering it for like seven years but just all the things
00:47:31
nothing they announced had this like real wow factor there was very few times where my Twitter timeline was all like
00:47:37
this is so cool they just announced this like nobody really had that one thing where it was really and we've had like
00:47:43
last year visualized roots on maps was this really cool visual example we've had like the chain link fence that I
00:47:49
reference all the time like yes there are things that did not come out I that was IO but it was cool and it had that
00:47:56
like wow moment the crowd seemed out of it this year almost all of the announcers I felt just also felt low
00:48:03
energy except for Samir he did a great job and felt as high energy as normal but like yeah I don't know and the whole
00:48:10
event felt like it was dragging from the first terrible tayor Swift joke they made in like the first one minute and
00:48:15
then they proceeded to make a bunch of other bad Taylor Swift jokes that really felt like Gemini wrote it but yeah this
00:48:22
might be a silly question cuz I didn't watch it when you said Samir do you mean like from YouTube no umid I'm forgetting
00:48:28
is like yeah the guy from Android and what was a bummer was he was basically like new things coming to Android and
00:48:34
then just had to say the exact same Gemini things just in like basically a mobile version Samir Sam he's the
00:48:40
president of Android ecosystem and he had his like same energy which just made all of the presenters around him feel
00:48:46
low energy everyone felt really low I don't know what the what was going on but it felt low energy I think a perfect
00:48:52
way to wrap up kind of that we weren't the same people feeling this is Ben at 9 Google posted a title an article this
00:48:59
morning that said so Google made a 10-minute recap mhm and his article says
00:49:04
Google's 10-minute iio recap is somehow just as tedious as the full event and IO usually isn't tedious until the last
00:49:10
like 20 to 30 minutes like it's usually like cool cool cool wow I didn't even
00:49:15
think of the fact that you could do that with machine learning wow you can get rid of a chain Ling fence you can't but
00:49:20
still like all of this stuff that genuinely blew my mind that I feel like we also used to see when every pixel
00:49:26
would drop yeah there would always be one or two cool AI features that were like wow this is I'm so excited for this
00:49:33
year and there was almost there was like a couple things that were like I'm glad Gemini's doing that now I can name like
00:49:39
three which we'll get into which we'll get into but everything else felt really corporate it felt B2B which was really
00:49:46
weird it was surprising to me because they also made the distinct choice to separate the pixel 8A announcement out
00:49:53
of IO right so we had a separate pixel 8A happen before like a week two weeks before IO yeah and then to me that was
00:50:00
like oh io's stacked this year we don't even have room for the pixel 8 not and
00:50:05
so that's why it's surprising and I I a lot of people say on Twitter that like oh it's just because there's not a lot
00:50:10
of Hardware stuff that's tomorrow but like they have done cool visually interesting things software wise before
00:50:17
end with AI before that's not the reason it for so it was just not a good IO this
00:50:22
year but I want to do two cool things about it while we then continue to um be
00:50:28
mean about it for the rest of this episode um I'm sad we didn't go because Google iio swag is always fantastic and
00:50:35
the swag they had this year looked great um I posted some photos of it so like uh
00:50:40
I think they did a great design this year the tote looks awesome the kwck looks awesome the water bottle sick I'm really sad we missed that um sad if
00:50:47
that's the most exciting part well no the most exciting part was Mark reier opening as the DJ um he did a fantastic
00:50:54
job if anything his Vibes are too Immaculate that everything after him feels boring he tried to do what he
00:51:01
always does in in at the beginning of shows and he was just trying to bring his same energy and I texted him afterwards I'm like bro I'm so sorry you
00:51:07
had to deal with that crowd and he was like I did what I could my favorite part is that again as an American units of
00:51:13
measurement really confuse me and so when they when they measured when they measured Gemini's contextual ability in
00:51:21
tokens no in number of Cheesecake Factory menus worth of words right I was
00:51:26
like Gemini can hold 95 Cheesecake Factory menus worth of context at one
00:51:33
time I was like that's it that seems like have you been to the cheesec factory factory is the menu really big
00:51:39
it's a book it's a book Adam could have a book club that no one would join him with I need to go to a restaurant that has like three options I don't want I
00:51:46
want never go to menu for three weeks now I'm on the 70th page yeah yeah okay
00:51:53
yeah okay so besides Mark's Immaculate entrance in which he had a for viewers
00:51:59
that and listeners that don't know who Mark is he's like he makes music on the spot sort of person and they had him use
00:52:05
the music LM thing to try to like generate music and then play with it he's like an improv genius yeah he's an
00:52:12
improv it was very tough uh cuz the crowd was tough the music LM didn't work
00:52:18
that well and the beats that it was giving him were not that funky a lot of problems he wears a lot of robes they
00:52:23
had custom Google IO Mark revier robes and he shot them out of a cannon um and
00:52:29
then and then St dark came on stage in the energy whip boom into the ground uh okay so there were actually
00:52:37
some interesting things and they actually did start off with a couple pretty interesting things they started off with which with what I think was one
00:52:44
of the most interesting things which was an update to Google photos where now you can just contextually ask Google photos
00:52:51
to show you certain pictures and also ask questions about your photos uh so you can say and I actually used Google
00:52:58
photos to find my license plate a million times last year all the time all the I've never now in Google photos you
00:53:05
now I memorize my license plate but in Google photos you can now say what's my license plate number again and it'll
00:53:12
bring up pictures of your license plate yeah which is cool you can say show me Lucia's how Lucia's swimming has
00:53:18
progressed and it'll bring up a bunch of photos and videos you took of your daughter swimming so it can understand
00:53:25
the context of okay this is what you're asking and then map that to what it tagged the photos as of being and I
00:53:33
think that's actually really sick I do think the license plate example was perfect because they were like normally
00:53:38
you would just search license plate and now every license plate in your every car you've ever taken a photo of shows
00:53:44
of and then you say my license plate number it's like oh this is a car that I see pretty often so it must be your
00:53:50
license plate let me find one picture that has it and only show you that one picture so you don't have to scroll
00:53:55
through a bunch mhm that's cool yeah I like this and I think because the
00:54:02
results are specifically pulling from your photos it can avoid hallucinating because it's going to give
00:54:08
you the exact Source it also because yeah it just has to show you an image it's not generating something cuz before
00:54:14
like so if I wanted to find my license plate like I had this actually for example I was in the back of a car and I was going to go to the airport and
00:54:19
they're like I just need your passport number and your signature and I was like okay here's my signature what is I don't have my it's in the trunk but I just
00:54:24
pulled up Google photos and I just searched passport and I got the latest photo that I took of my passport and I just got it from there yeah instead
00:54:31
theoretically I I would just ask Google photos what's my passport number and it would give me my passport number and as
00:54:38
long as I also can see that it's referencing an image of my passport and not some other random photo I have of a
00:54:44
passport I think I'm good it doesn't it doesn't give you a text output it just shows you the photo the one picture so I
00:54:50
think that actually solves the is I think you could probably ask Gemini at some point what's my passport number it
00:54:56
would pull it up and then it would probably potentially reference the photo but right now this Google photos update
00:55:01
it's just an easier way to like ask Google photos to show you specific pictures that's NE it kind of feels like
00:55:08
which I like more than generative Ai No I agree it feels like the magic of what Google search has been where everyone
00:55:14
makes the joke of like what's that song that goes ba ba ba ba ba it's like you can ask it some pretty crazy questions
00:55:20
and now in Google photos you can just be way more specific and it can find things easier for you Google photo search has
00:55:27
always been one of my favorite features ever just like being able to search
00:55:33
through different things and it can tell kind of what they are and create albums or look at places that you've been to
00:55:39
and now being able to go a little more into that where maybe I'm like what was that trail I I hiked in Glacier National
00:55:46
Park in 2019 and like if I took a picture of the trail sign it'll probably come up as like Cracker Lake Trail and
00:55:52
then that's awesome and I don't have to just search through every single thing that was in Montana yeah I often will
00:55:58
think oh yeah I went on that trip I think it was in 2019 so I'll search like mountains 2019 and I have to sort
00:56:04
through all the mountains that I took a picture of in 2019 until I find it maybe it's not that year so now I can ask it
00:56:10
like was show me the mountains when I was in Italy the last time and yeah it
00:56:16
can still do sort of those things right now but it's just a lot more contextual which beneficial it's it's helping
00:56:22
because a lot of people didn't even know you could search Google photos for things and it would find them very specifically so it's just making this
00:56:27
prompt engineering less of a skill you just type what you're thinking and it can find it which is why I think they
00:56:33
specifically use the promp what's my license plate number again because it sounds more human like the way that I
00:56:39
would probably prompt that is my license plate and it would bring it up you know
00:56:45
whereas a normal person says what's my license PL guy because I think the ultimate goal is like be able to have
00:56:50
natural speech Computing with these computers with every prompt yeah I think our generation grew up learning how to
00:56:57
speak Google which is keyword it's a keyword language you have to know how to Google and you're basically just picking
00:57:04
out keywords we've talked about this like prompt engineering is the skill that we all learned yeah and now it's it
00:57:11
wants the old people to be able to do it yeah where young people just go like write me some code and it just does it
00:57:17
you just don't have to know how to do it right there's a lot of other stuff so we're just going to go through it a little bit randomly I kind of went
00:57:23
linearly through the KE note so if it jumps around a little bit that's Google's fault no one remembers exactly
00:57:30
how the keynote went so everyone hallucinate that the AI hallucinate that
00:57:35
uh okay Google search generative experience which was a Google Labs
00:57:40
feature that you could opt into for the last year since Google iio 2023 which I have been opted into for a while and has
00:57:46
annoyed the heck out of me I've been using it as well I had an example recently where the AI thing gave me one
00:57:52
answer and then the top suggested Google thing told me a different answer yeah thaten to me yeah so so that was an
00:57:59
optin feature that I forgot was op in because I would have turned it off a long time ago if I remembered that uh it
00:58:04
is now rolling out for everybody and it also now generates a bunch of extra
00:58:11
information and tiles and Pages for you and in my opinion it was a very bad look
00:58:17
because basically the entire visible screen was all generative Ai and I
00:58:24
didn't see any links anywhere yeah which is bad yeah it was basically like creating a bunch of
00:58:31
almost like Windows 8 tiles of like all potentially different things you might want whether it's the sale link for
00:58:37
something with prices or the reviews of a restaurant just like all in these different tiles and you didn't see a
00:58:43
single link on the page I also just want to like paint Mark has the picture of when they announced it the way they
00:58:49
announced it as you know the huge screen on the io stage yeah it was all white and had the Google search bar but it
00:58:56
didn't say the word Google above it and all of us kept looking at each other like are they going to rename search are
00:59:03
they going to change or is this going to say like I don't think any of us thought it would actually but we we were all pretty sure it was going to say Google
00:59:09
powered by Gemini and I think part of that hype is why none of this stuff felt that cool cuz we're all like they're
00:59:15
going to do something big they're going to do something big they're going to rename it they're going to change how this looks and then they just didn't
00:59:21
yeah um I think they're trying to completely reframe in your mind what it means to to search something now you
00:59:28
they don't want you to have to search something and then find the information yourself and actually what they kept saying over and over again was let
00:59:35
Google do the Googling for you which was super
00:59:40
weird it's like so like never leave Google it's yeah it was basic because I
00:59:45
think that what they were afraid of is a lot of people use chat GPT as a search engine even though it's not a search
00:59:51
engine I've heard crazier things yeah you know how many people use Tik Tok as a search engine a lot of people more
00:59:57
than you I mean it's like using I I use YouTube as a search engine cuz it's better you is the second largest search
01:00:03
engine in the world yeah I like watching videos of people answering my questions and doing things specifically I like
01:00:08
people dancing to my questions this is how you change a tire
01:00:14
forget Kora dances yeah yeah that that feels like a big part of it is is Google
01:00:20
has historically been kicking people into links and then they leave Google and they go find their answer somewhere else but if Google can just like siphon
01:00:26
all the content out and service the thing that you were looking for in the first place then Google helped you not the site yeah and then that site never
01:00:32
gets any credit even though the site is the one that had the information which I just want to point to the fact that like
01:00:37
not that long ago like two to three years ago Google got in serious trouble for like scraping some information and
01:00:44
putting it on the sidebar of Google just saying like these sites say this this this and everybody freaked out and then
01:00:50
Google got in trouble for it and now they're just completely siphoning away sites together to the point where there
01:00:57
is now a button called Web so you know how when you Google something it'll be like images videos news there's now
01:01:05
going to be a button called Web where you press the web button and it actually
01:01:11
shows you the links oh wait you it wasn't a scroll away before uh I you probably can keep
01:01:18
scrolling but there's so many things there but like do you know how there yeah there's shopping Maps photos now
01:01:23
there's one that's web so it's only web links and hate to say I'm excited for
01:01:29
this because Google search has become such a pain in the ass that I like just want to look at different links it
01:01:34
basically gets rid of everything that Google has added in the last five years just it's like old Google it's the opt
01:01:41
out of the Reddit redesign for Google enhancement site yeah yeah uh that's hilarious I find
01:01:49
that hilarious somebody tweeted uh that that's the funniest April Fool's joke
01:01:54
that Google has done um yeah it yeah it's just a weird thing
01:02:00
um Nei from The Verge refers to this whole redesign as Google Day Zero which
01:02:06
is basically like what happens when a search is just a generative like
01:02:12
everything is generated and there is just zero incentive to go to websites like we've talked about this forever
01:02:20
because we always were like this is eventually going to become the thing and currently right now because they haven't
01:02:25
like ful rolled out this thing it'll give the little generative AI preview
01:02:30
but you still have links but all most of the examples that they showed at IO were like the full page was generated and
01:02:37
once you hit a point where the full page is generated that's when you start to hit the existential thread of like how
01:02:42
are websites going to make money anymore yeah this is again why uh I think this
01:02:48
this llm stuff needs fact checking buil in uh I just Googled it real quick Google's mission statement is to
01:02:55
organize the world world's information and make it universally accessible and useful and if you think about it if
01:03:02
you're Google yeah for years and years and years you've been collecting and organizing all of these links and then
01:03:09
people go to you and they say I want to know where this thing is on the internet and then
01:03:15
you show them the list and then they leave and you've been doing that for so so long that you have all this
01:03:21
information if you're Google probably what seems like a natural graduation is
01:03:26
all right the Internet it's here it is what it is it's this giant thing now we can do is learn all of it summarize it
01:03:34
all for ourselves and now when you ask me a question I can just reference it and hand you exactly the information you
01:03:39
need and you never even have to go through that mess of links ever again people will just this is a crazy
01:03:45
statement kids will not really learn the skill of navigating through search
01:03:51
results yeah not at all that's another thing that they won't really that's also scary cuz that makes me think that kids
01:03:57
are just going to believe the first thing they see made by a generative Ai
01:04:02
and that's why you need it to be fact checkable it needs to be ver verifying itself because yeah the skill still of
01:04:08
like seeing the Google It button and going yeah I'm going to verify this one and like looking through the results that's still a skill that we have but if
01:04:14
you never have that skill and you just go to Google the thing and it just surfaces the thing you just believe it
01:04:19
that could be pretty dangerous here's a question for everyone just on topic of this when's the last time you went to
01:04:24
the second page of a Google search all the time I do it all the time it's pretty you know you're in for one yeah
01:04:31
it's like 50% of the time 50% of the time I wouldn't say 50 for me but when I'm doing research I go through like
01:04:37
five pages I got a long tail I get a lot of stuff on the first page but then every once in a while I get something on the like 36th page and it's wild that
01:04:45
there's probably people who don't realize that there's like the 10 and then like it keeps going after that like
01:04:51
yeah keeps going wait quick question Marquez with what you were saying isn't that the best C well I guess user
01:04:59
experience customer UI in theory it is if it's correct yeah and who's going to
01:05:04
write content this is if you have a magic box that tells you all the answers nobody can make the content that it's
01:05:09
scraping from this is the we've been talking about this for months I know that's the problem that's the fun part but nobody thought about this does the
01:05:15
incentive to create content could Disappear Completely when you don't get stop going to websites and they don't
01:05:21
make any AD Revenue then yeah is then things go under is the fastest way also
01:05:27
the best way for consumers like yeah you'll get the information faster because you don't have to click through websites but also sometimes I think it's
01:05:34
I think it's also a what about the journey I think there's also a tale to this where like At first the fastest way
01:05:41
is best but then when it gets to a more indepth like think of someone who's about to buy something yeah exactly like
01:05:48
if you're I'm about to make a big purchase I'm to buy a laptop real quick if I just Google like what are some good
01:05:53
laptops for $1,000 then I just set my frame for the first page but then on the second or third weekend where I'm like
01:06:00
I'm about to spend the money now I'm going to really dive in no there it's like something I Google almost every
01:06:05
week chicken drumsticks oven temp time don't need don't need more than 15
01:06:11
seconds for that one you know what I mean but yeah like if I if I wanted if I wanted to go on a little little internet journey I think there's times though
01:06:17
when also you don't have time for the journey if that makes sense like chicken drumsticks on attempt time like I'm
01:06:23
hungry I think about the time I was out and CLA calls me it's like a pipe burst in the downstairs and we need something
01:06:31
what do we do with it and I just ran to Lowe's and I was like what's the best thing and instead I'm sitting there
01:06:37
where like I wish it could just be like is it a small leak is it this and I can it'll give me that temporary fix right
01:06:43
there and I don't have to go through 20 Pages inside of Lowe's while my basement's flooding yeah I think there's
01:06:50
some fast things where that is the ideal scenario but yes the journey sometimes is fun because you learn about things on
01:06:56
the journey that turns into actual usable information in your own brain yeah that we get to use right imagine
01:07:03
that imagine that okay imagine experiences we got to move on cuz there's so much there's so much stuff um
01:07:09
Gemini 1.5 Pro which you and I have been beta testing for what feels like months
01:07:15
at this point they doubled the context window to 2 million tokens uh and now they're just spouting millions of
01:07:21
Cheesecake Factory menus yeah they're just flexing on every single other company that they have the most tokens
01:07:27
which y wow I still don't understand tokens tokens at all they're vbucks a word is like a token it's like
01:07:32
tokenization of a word so you can map it to other words and they just cost money Transformers Transformers Transformers
01:07:37
cuz people make fun of me for saying that a lot um Power which costs money they cost power Mone they're called tokens cuz it's like it's the smallest
01:07:44
you and this is like the dumbest possible way of explaining it but it's like it's the smallest you can break down a piece of information in a data
01:07:52
set to then have it be evaluated across the to every other token exactly so like in
01:07:58
a sentence like you would break down each word into a token and then analyze those words as independent variables
01:08:05
tokenization CU you're like in an image like a pixel could be a token or a cluster of pixels could be a token okay
01:08:11
so then quick question when they say when they say 2 million tokens do they mean that I can like do a 2 million word
01:08:17
word yes okay got it oh so it's per individual query it can take up to 2 million tokens yes okay that's the
01:08:24
context so the window is basically like how much information can I throw at this because theoretically in these models
01:08:31
the more information you give it the more the more accurate they can be okay okay remember the dolly prompts that were like give me a man in an astronaut
01:08:39
suit with a red handkerchief around his NE be more blah blah you can just keep going okay right yeah cool okay um now
01:08:46
they are also embedding Gemini into a lot of Google workspace stuff so you can have Gemini as like an additional person
01:08:53
in your meeting that's like taking notes for you you and you can interact with during Google meet meetings they should
01:08:58
call it Go pilot why cuz it's Google like it's like
01:09:04
co-pilot but Google oh oh come on was it that bad was that bad I'm picturing on a
01:09:11
killed by Google website in like three months yeah what did sorry that just reminded me what did Mark call
01:09:17
music gos oh yeah Google Loops gloops gloops yeah yeah he called it gloops at
01:09:24
one point which they should was the best part of a yeah uh they introduced a new model called Gemini 1.5 flash which is a
01:09:32
lighter weight faster cheaper model that handles lighter weight queries hooray Microsoft is so scared um we got
01:09:41
project okay so project Astra is what I think is basically their answer to like
01:09:47
the Humane and rabbit thing except it's better because we always knew it would be the demo they
01:09:53
showed the demo they show was basically on a pixel it has a live feed of your
01:09:58
surroundings so on Humane or rabbit you have to take a photo and then it analyzes the photo and talks about it on
01:10:04
this one it was basically a real time image intake where it was taking in a video feed with this person walking
01:10:11
around with their pixel and they could just be like they were just kind of like what does this code do and it'd be like oh it does this does this okay cool uh
01:10:19
well what what what where could I buy this teddy bear oh the teddy bear can be bought on Amazon for $1499 cool cool
01:10:24
cool uh over and then they did this casual thing where they like switched to these smart glasses that had uh cameras
01:10:32
on them which was also strange cuz they were like where did I leave my glasses and it remembered where but they never
01:10:37
showed it in that initial feed so are they remembering it previously or so here was the weird thing yeah they they
01:10:42
said like where did I leave my glasses I was like it's on the side table it only knew that because the person was walking
01:10:48
around with their pixel camera open like for 5 minutes and it happened to see it in the corner while they were walking
01:10:55
around obviously in the real world I think this was basically the same thing where it's like in the far off future if you had a
01:11:02
Humane AI pin that was constantly taking in all of your video feed information all the time it would always know where
01:11:09
you left all your stuff because it was constantly watching which nobody wants um so that's the convenience though
01:11:15
think of the convenience the storage yeah remembering everything that Google
01:11:21
just put on their servers yeah th it on YouTube so I think this is just a demo to show that yeah they they can do what
01:11:28
human and rabbit are doing but way faster and way better and it's a video feed instead of a ph and because it's
01:11:34
the live video feed they also did this thing where it's like you could draw in the video feed and be like what is this
01:11:40
thing and like an arrow to it so if like for some reason you can't just describe the thing in the viewfinder as well you
01:11:45
can it's basically Circle to search through live M multimodal like which is
01:11:50
something that open AI was basically demoing too on Monday um cuz you could you could Point your phone at things and
01:11:56
it would help you through math problems as you were solving it yeah so it was cool uh they didn't talk about you know
01:12:03
if it's ever going to come to anything ever they just demoed it they said it was a project kind of like those like
01:12:09
translation classes that just never became a thing and I think they were trying to make like a nod to those by
01:12:14
saying like yeah we've got we're working on stuff but they're probably never going to release anything it kind of
01:12:19
also made me feel like because this was just like another blip on the radar during all of
01:12:26
made me kind of feel like the Humane pin and the rabbit pin needed to make the hardware versions because everyone just
01:12:31
like kind of moved right past this even though it's doing the exact same things better than both of those but since
01:12:37
they're not a shiny product everyone's like cool it's just something in iio they're basically like yeah you can do
01:12:42
this on a phone moving on better yeah I don't think about you Child's Play yeah
01:12:48
yeah all right so that was already a lot um there's a lot more Google IO stuff uh either you're welcome or I'm sorry or
01:12:54
you're not read that or not listen to all that but we got to do trivia because that'll help your brain break up this
01:13:01
episode so hey what is this is this on purpose
01:13:09
it is yeah I tried to use Google's music effects to recreate our normal trivia
01:13:15
music um fun it got none of the things I put in my prompt in here like not a single one oh I guess I asked for
01:13:23
drums terrible sounds like is that drums or snapping I asked for 6 seconds of
01:13:29
interstitial music intended to transition from the main segment of a podcast to the trig the trivia segment
01:13:34
that happens before an ad the track should feature a hammonded organ and drums and be bright Punchy and fun uh
01:13:41
that's not wrong I would say bright Punchy and fun yeah but where's the organ where's the six second let's chill
01:13:47
out a little bit give it a chance this is Google small startup company I was
01:13:52
wondering he told me earlier like let me handle the trivia music and I got something cooked up and I was like what what is he going to do and now we know
01:13:58
all right second trivia question so a bunch of people were talking about how the open AI voice sounded like Scarlett
01:14:06
Johansson in the movie Her Like David mentioned what was the name of the AI
01:14:11
that she voiced in that movie I don't watch movies okay well you guys are going to get some
01:14:17
points uh yeah it's been a while since I've seen this film so much for that
01:14:23
yeah cool all right I've never even heard of that movie what perfect me NE
01:14:28
serious serious Andre go home we can't we can't tell Andrew anything about this
01:14:35
movie we have to get through the the the trivia answers and not spoil a single thing and then Andrew you need to go home and you need to watch
01:14:42
her no [Music]
01:14:55
um okay notebook LM which used to be called project Tailwind which Adam was particularly excited about it's now more
01:15:03
focused towards education but effectively it can take in information from your Google Drive like photos and
01:15:09
documents and videos and basically create like a model of these AIS that can help you with specific things
01:15:15
related to your specific information and the way that they showed it was basically a live podcast um where they
01:15:22
had these two virtual tutors they were kind of like both talking separately
01:15:27
being like okay Jimmy so we're going to be talking about gravity today so you know how something's 1.9.8 m/ second and
01:15:34
then the other AI squared and the other AI would be like not only is it that but if you dropped an apple it would drop at
01:15:40
the same speed as a rock um and then you can like call in almost and then ask
01:15:45
then you become the new member of this conversation ask a questions and they'll respond to you interesting it was some
01:15:51
virtual tutors and they were very realistic very similarly to open ai's 40 model that felt very realistic I felt
01:15:58
like this week is the week where all of the companies were like we are no longer robotic we have can have humanoid like
01:16:05
voices that talk in humanoid like ways great so that was interesting okay uh I
01:16:10
would actually love to play with that to see if it's any good it was kind of cool that there was like two virtual AIS that
01:16:16
were sort of like talking to you at the same time but also interacting with each other didn't it also just like pause and
01:16:21
not finish the question um um I think that he interrupted it oh he interrupted CU he
01:16:27
was basically saying I'm helping Jimmy with his math homework hey Gemini 1 like
01:16:33
what do you think about this and be like wow great question and then it just like paused and didn't finish answering the question yeah okay probably just a bad
01:16:39
uh demo on on stage yeah um okay they also introduced I thought it was called
01:16:45
imen but it's IM imag imagine 3 which IM
01:16:52
I thought it was imagin cuz image generation but it's imagine which is more like imagine it's like a triple on
01:16:57
it probably like still is that but just a imine funny better way of saying it yeah uh basically their third generation
01:17:04
Dolly esque model with better photo creation yay cool um music AI soundbox
01:17:11
which they had Mark reer at the beginning use the music AI soundbox to
01:17:17
create these beats and they also had like a childish Gambino ad where he was talking about it I think uh he was
01:17:24
talking about video stuff later wasn't he talking about Veil yeah you're talking about Veil cuz he was put up
01:17:30
there as a uh why can't I think of the word film
01:17:36
like he was doing movies not music which I thought was funny but got it got it okay yeah so the music generation was
01:17:42
you know better music yay they basically are just like updating all these small AI things that they were like I can do
01:17:49
this too and better than last time yes which is where we go with vo or yeah I
01:17:55
think it's vo um ve ve I don't know I don't know it probably is vo I'm just
01:18:00
saying that because it's already a word in Spanish so oh what does it mean in Spanish like IC basically IC like from
01:18:07
7el like 2C like I oh okay well that would make sense
01:18:15
yeah yeah it can create 1080p video from text image and video prompts uh you can
01:18:20
further edit those videos with additional prompts they had testing extending the scenes which was cool that
01:18:26
was the coolest part of it I think which I think was like a direct shot at uh run Runway runaway because that can only do
01:18:33
like 30 second video clips right now I think possibly 1 minute well I thought it was cool because it wasn't just that
01:18:39
it extends that is I think it was you could put a clip in and say make this
01:18:44
longer right and then it would make the clip longer by just like it it basically is like content aware fill where you
01:18:51
need a photo that's bigger but it does it on a video I think that's awesome there are so many times where you're
01:18:56
like found footage this doesn't really roll the be enough of the b-roll that I need here like if this could be five
01:19:02
more seconds I do remember I remember right after Dolly came out people were basically making these videos of like
01:19:09
how to make your your a roll setup cooler with AI and it was basically like they just had a very contained version
01:19:15
and then they generated a filled out image of their office to make it look like they were in a bigger space that's
01:19:22
sick which is kind of cool but now vo can just do do it for you uh the nice thing too is it maintains consistency
01:19:28
over time so if you have like a character the character will look the same and it doesn't do that random stable diffusion thing that uh AI
01:19:35
generated video used to do where it would like flash in and out and like change shape slightly and keep moving around it feels like we're only a year
01:19:43
or two away from like being able to remove a fence from the foreground of a photo I don't know dude only God can do
01:19:49
that I don't think that's that's nobody knows how to do that uh and then wait
01:19:54
sorry real quick Adam and I were just like factchecking some stuff and we found something that's like too funny not to share with you guys like
01:20:01
immediately this is um when Google announced last year lra uh which is the
01:20:06
actual model that does a lot of their generative audio look at this image that they use I just sent it to you guys in
01:20:15
slack wait that's just the waveform logo that's just like our it's literally our waveform Clips background the colors are
01:20:22
the same and like gradients the same and like it's kind of the same that's
01:20:27
exactly the same yo Google send us some IO swag from this year to make up for this cuz the same steo this from us you
01:20:33
stole this from us it's like right on the top of the page wow I'm tagging Tim in this and seeing it's literally the
01:20:39
purple into scarlet color we'll get back to that and see C okay um all right uh
01:20:47
with the vo thing they said it's going to be available to select creators over the coming weeks which is weird that you
01:20:54
have to to be a Creator to apparently use it and I think what they're trying to do is control the positive narrative
01:21:01
by giving limited access to to artists who will carefully that will say
01:21:07
positive things about it which is fun uh super fun okay the pain in your voice
01:21:15
as you said that this actually is kind of cool we found it there's some nuggets in this
01:21:21
needle stack you know what I'm saying so nugget we wait you mean there's some needles in this hay stack needles in
01:21:28
this nugget stack I don't mean that there's some nuggets in this in this needle stack if you like hey that's why
01:21:34
I said nuggets like chicken nuggets so they have multi-step reasoning in Google Search now which is cool this is
01:21:41
actually something that Andrew was specifically calling out a couple weeks ago this is so close to my Google Maps
01:21:47
idea I feel like but it's not quite yeah okay do you want to describe it yeah it's pretty much it's kind of like using
01:21:55
Google search and maps and reviews and putting it all together so you can have a more specific question or suggestion
01:22:02
that you want so their's was like I want a yoga studio that's within walking distance of Beacon Hill is what they
01:22:09
said within a half an hour walk of Beacon Hill and it's going to bring up different yoga studios that are within
01:22:15
those parameters that you set and then based on the ratings the higher ratings in there so it's an easier thing for you
01:22:21
to choose rather than just being a I guess it's not that much different than just searching on maps where but in maps
01:22:28
you would have to see like oh that's 20 blocks away from me this is actually like Gathering that into what it deems
01:22:35
as walkable in half an hour so yeah the the specific example they used was find the best yoga or pilates studio in
01:22:42
Boston and show the details on their intro offers and walking distance from Beacon Hill and so it generate again
01:22:48
this is like the generated page so it's like kind of scary in a lot of ways but it pulls up like four that are within
01:22:55
the 30 minute walking distance from Beacon Hill and it shows the distance and it shows their intro offers and it
01:23:01
shows their ratings and that's that's really cool I can't deny that I will will say like a real world example of
01:23:07
this is last Saturday Saturday cuz Friday night there was an insane Eclipse
01:23:13
all over North America not Eclipse there was a Borealis CU apparently like
01:23:18
geom you didn't everyone in New York and New Jersey miss it man you would have had to get anywhere else in the United
01:23:23
States yeah we tried I was depressed I got I like got into bed after getting dinner with Ellis on Friday night and it
01:23:29
was 12:30 in the morning and I opened Instagram and I was like what the heck is happening and what did we do the next
01:23:34
day we drove to Monto but the whole morning I was like Googling like uh
01:23:40
what's the weather here okay and then I had to go on Google Maps and I'd be like how far is that okay and I had to look
01:23:46
at the radar of it again and so I was jumping back and forth between these tabs like crazy I was going back Google Maps and like these weather radar sites
01:23:54
and like how clear is the sky during the that part of the year so if I was able
01:24:00
to just if you could trust these generative uh answers ask the question
01:24:05
like what is the closest dark sky Park that won't rain today that I'm most
01:24:11
likely to see the aurora borealis from and it would just tell me the number one answer and I could trust it which is the
01:24:18
biggest thing that would have been a lot easier than me jumping and forth between all these apps cuz this legit took me like 3 hours to figure out where I
01:24:24
wanted to go this poses an interesting question on if it would be able to use real time information and real-time
01:24:30
inform information that Google provides but they didn't show examples like that because what you're saying would need to
01:24:36
know weather at a certain time that it's knowing and updating where everything they showed is stuff that could have
01:24:42
been posted months ago like yoga studio walk intro offers I guess is more closer
01:24:48
to real time but like if you wanted to do that or if I wanted to say and this is something that's available in Google
01:24:53
what's the the closest four plus Star restaurant in a 20-minute walk that is
01:24:59
not busy right now MH that like I wouldn't have to wait for yeah could it pull the busy time thing that they have
01:25:06
in Google in reviews and would it pull that I would hope but I don't know they should have showed it if it can pull
01:25:12
that live in there but I don't know if they would be able to do this but yeah this is so this is so close to me being
01:25:18
able I just want this to be able to use in Android auto on maps with my voice
01:25:24
voice and say stuff back to me through the car speakers and be able to do a
01:25:30
little more within a route um I feel like this feels like a step close to that I'm excited for it this was very
01:25:36
close to the thing that you mentioned the other yeah yeah yeah we're almost there I'm almost able to find the closest Taco Bell serving breakfast on
01:25:43
my route next next to a third wave coffee shop that doesn't add 30 minutes yeah that doesn't which is pretty much
01:25:48
exactly what you asked for I know it is I know so close yeah we'll see if that if that works um Gmail now you might
01:25:55
think that the updates to Gmail would be things that I would care about
01:26:02
mhm no no so all I want in Gmail is better contextual search because right
01:26:10
now you can Search keywords and that's basically it and you have to sort through all of the different things and you have to sometimes it just doesn't
01:26:16
show the email even though it has the exact words that you're searching for is it safe to say gmail search function is
01:26:23
Google's worst search function out of anything that they do I would say so I think it is impossible do you know how
01:26:29
many times I try and find my Mileage Plus number in my Gmail but I just get 400 United promotional emails that have
01:26:37
never been opened it's like if I'm searching for something I probably want it to be something that's been opened
01:26:42
and read before this needs the exact same update as Google photos just got yes yeah which is well tell me my
01:26:48
Mileage Plus number and then it goes here's what it is and here's the email that showed it okay so that's a perfect analogy because the Google The Google
01:26:56
photos thing you ask it a question and then it brings you the photo that you want to see right the update to Gmail
01:27:02
that they just added is you ask you ask it a question about your emails and it
01:27:08
generates you a response it doesn't bring you to the email that you need to see it just tells you about your emails
01:27:15
which I don't trust because I just want to see the email email yeah yeah so it can summarize an email chain which is
01:27:23
like I guess sure maybe how long your email chains I know Corporate email chains are probably really long and possibly
01:27:30
annoying still don't trust a generated answer of things you can ask Gemini
01:27:36
questions about your email um okay uh it has suggested replies that are generated
01:27:43
by Gemini which is not that different from the suggested replies it already has right now except that now it's suggesting like full replies instead of
01:27:49
just like hey Martha as like the beginning of the reply or whatever um
01:27:54
one of the examples that they got on something you can do in Gmail with Gemini is they asked it to organize and
01:28:01
track their receipts so it extracted receipts from emails that they got from
01:28:06
a specific person put all the receipts in a folder and drive and then created a Google Sheets document that in a bunch
01:28:13
of cells like organized the receipts by category damn that was awesome that was
01:28:19
cool it was cool but it was like so specific and neat that it can do all that and it still probably can't find my
01:28:24
Mileage Plus number yes I bet the rabbit could do that if I took a picture of every receipt I've ever had I think this
01:28:29
is cooler though because it can show sorry I missed the sarcasm completely there yeah I love that that
01:28:36
was the number one thing that people were Amazed by with the rabbit they were like it can make tables spreadsheets of
01:28:41
simple spreadsheets hey the Humane pin can do that soon sometime in sometime in
01:28:47
the fut I think the biggest problem with with Gmail's contextual search right now is the signal to noise ratio is terrible
01:28:53
like you were saying like there's one email that says your Mileage Plus number all of the other ones are promotional
01:28:59
yeah signal is one noise is 999,000 yeah maybe they just did a bad
01:29:04
job at explaining it I'm hoping Gemini for Gmail search could be really awesome cuz I need it so bad I'm so sick of
01:29:11
digging through my email and just not being able to find things that are literally things I or a friend typed me
01:29:17
I've legitimately just thought about just nuking my whole email and just starting a new one start over because
01:29:22
I'm like I can't find that's not a bad idea I think about it a lot but it's and I wish you could do that with phone numbers but you're just getting someone
01:29:29
else's like phone number that they're reusing so kind of pointless you're going to get spam anyway yeah yeah I
01:29:34
remember like sorry this is random moving moving a couple years ago and getting solicitation mail being like how
01:29:41
is this possible that I'm getting mail this is a new address it doesn't make any sense anyway yeah yeah okay I would
01:29:47
like that to happen so they're they're creating this new workspace side panel that's going to be going into a lot of
01:29:53
the Google workspace apps like Gmail and like Google meet and like Google Chat
01:29:59
was a which is part of meet but no one I don't think ever has used I take a minute and be like what's Google Chat I
01:30:05
forgot that was I forgot it existed yeah um because it's a chat Clan by Google and you just don't use them because they
01:30:12
oh hangs oh right yeah oh no sorry wait was it yeah Alo wait was it it Google
01:30:18
Messenger that's what it was oh mess messages by Google oh messages or is it
01:30:23
Android messages I thought it was [Music]
01:30:28
inbox all right uh yeah so so that side panel is how you're going to interact
01:30:34
with Gemini in order to interact with all of your Google stuff what I found kind of frustrating about this is that
01:30:41
it's only in Google workspace stuff oh and to me this is their version of Apple
01:30:47
lockin of like we're giving you all these Gemini features but you can only really use it in Google
01:30:54
products so but also like if you have like a regular account that's not a workspace account is that does that still work no you can still use it like
01:31:01
that's part of Google workspace I believe as me as a person with Google
01:31:07
Calendar and Gmail and three or four other Google services I can you can use Gemini through that okay yeah yeah um
01:31:14
they introduced this thing called a Gemini powered teammate uh if you use Google Chat forgot about this chip yeah
01:31:22
chip so why do they name it stop stop naming I actually named it Chad before
01:31:29
they named it chip and then they were like chip and I was like Chad was to be fair that it wasn't that's not what its
01:31:34
name is you can name it and they named it chip as just a joke in the thing got it yeah so the way this worked is
01:31:41
imagine a slack Channel where you're all talking about stuff you're all like sending files and documents and stuff
01:31:48
you have an additional teammate that you can name whatever you want we should name ours Chad if we ever do it uhhuh
01:31:54
but you can say like hey Chad what was the PDF that I sent to Tim last month I
01:32:00
can't really find it and Chad goes I'll go find that for you and then it comes back and it gives it to you and it can
01:32:05
ask information about it so it's basically an employee a personal assistant I'm on board yeah yeah so but
01:32:12
that's like in only in Google Chat which literally no one has ever used in history this is going to be dead in a
01:32:17
week I did not know that this was a product yeah like did most of them yeah
01:32:23
on Gmail you can see the little chat like you can rotate between Gmail and
01:32:28
Google Chat like whenever you want which is a thing that you can like get rid of or po out of that I always I I've never
01:32:35
I know oh look invite everybody in our work yeah I'm pretty sure only Google
01:32:41
uses this so I'm not sure how helpful this is going to be okay but it's an interesting idea marz the last time we
01:32:47
talked and it was 2020 I didn't know I use this yeah this isn't Hangouts what it probably was
01:32:54
Hangouts when we were talking chats yeah oh H did we say anything fun well this
01:33:01
one says I haven't used this since 2013 so oh my that means it was just Gchat
01:33:06
right just I don't know anymore I don't know who knows I can't believe we will live in this hellscape um it's basically
01:33:13
like a a live like slackbot doing things for you yeah yeah it's a slackbot that
01:33:20
is like contextual and can grab different files that you've used which pretty cool yeah it's really sad that
01:33:27
it's only in Google chat but yeah you know but also makes sense I guess they're not going to build it for slack
01:33:32
correct first to show off at IO yeah uh okay um they have a new thing called
01:33:38
gems which in JS which is basically gpts
01:33:44
you know how chat GPT has a custom GPT you can build that's like this is the
01:33:49
math tutor GPT and it only talks about math M which like there's an existen question here of like would you rather
01:33:55
do have like one AI agent that knows literally everything and is omniscient or would you have individualized agents
01:34:01
I'd rather just have an omniscient agent that's just me but you can have Js which
01:34:07
uh are specialized Google Gemini Geminis with ultra deep knowledge of specific
01:34:13
topics and yes well sort of no it's the same knowledge as regular Gemini it's
01:34:18
not deeper than regular Gemini knowledge I don't understand the I still don't understand this that much yeah maybe
01:34:25
it's less prone to hallucinating if it doesn't have a bunch of extra input maybe maybe there's more well it has the
01:34:30
same input though cuz it's the same model but it doesn't but it doesn't have all the other knowledge oh of other
01:34:36
topics to hallucinate about I don't know it's it's it's the same as the custom gpts where you use chat GPT to create a
01:34:44
custom GPT so it's like it that input at the beginning has to be correct and for
01:34:51
I don't it's I don't know the funny thing about this was when the lady on stage announced
01:34:56
it it was really awkward because she was like now you don't use Gemini in the
01:35:02
same way that I use Gemini and we understand that and that's why we're introducing gems and there was like a 4
01:35:10
second silence and she like laughed there had to have clearly been on the teleprompter like hold for ause it was
01:35:17
just too deep into like you said this soulless event it was not her fault it
01:35:23
was just like it was not a great naming scheme everyone was out of it at this point there were multiple camera cuts of
01:35:29
people yawning in the audience and I just think she was waiting for an Applause and it did not come she had
01:35:35
like an awkward chuckle I felt really bad about that yeah yeah uh
01:35:41
okay some more stuff trip planning which is the stupidest I I just h ah they're
01:35:49
building out the trip planning stuff for some reason um and now you can like talk
01:35:54
to Gemini and tell it about the trip that you want it'll make you a trip and then you say oh but I'm allergic to
01:36:01
peanuts so don't bring me to a restaurant that likes penut it goes oh okay and it swaps it out for you for a
01:36:06
chocolate factory and so it's like modular um I don't want to give up control to an AI but maybe people do I
01:36:13
don't I can only assume they're so into this because of like the way they're making some sort of affiliate money on
01:36:18
all of these different travel things like I don't yeah I don't want to just like say plan me a trip here and then I
01:36:26
have I know nothing about the trip I'm going to yeah and that's what it wants to do there are some psychos who would
01:36:31
do that I guess there are you've seen those Tik toks of like I spun around and threw a dart at a globe and when it
01:36:37
landed on Madagascar I booked my flight like that's but then you want to go and have a good time off the cusp you don't
01:36:42
want it to plan your entire itinerary somebody would do it it's funny cuz when
01:36:49
video actually that honestly would be an awesome Studio aome I liked the old chat
01:36:55
GPT version of just like help me find like I had to give you the place and specifics of it and like you would help
01:37:01
throw a few suggestions like a hike at Rocky Mountain National Park tell me the top five that are over five miles that
01:37:07
felt good now we're at the point where it's like can you walk me down this hiking trail and tell me what I'm going
01:37:13
to see I don't like this part I like the old not this new B GPT oh my God uh okay
01:37:21
I think we're losing Marquez so we got to wrap this up so CL we're giving him the full experience six more
01:37:27
features I might die can we use Gemini to summarize this event if you're bored
01:37:32
of this episode use Gemini to summarize this episode but then leave it running in the background I you I can summarize
01:37:39
this episode the rest of this for you ready okay stuff that Google already did
01:37:45
is now powered by Machine learning that's it well more different types of machine
01:37:51
learning basically sure cool yeah now it works 15% worse and more
01:37:58
nurly nurly with the brain stuff look like like like what we're going to get to next Gemini on Android what are they
01:38:04
using it for scam detection going to work 15% worse uh yeah Circle they're
01:38:10
doing like a circle to search hover sort of thing 15% worse yeah I want to say I'm
01:38:16
pretty sure they showed how you can buy shoes with Gemini five different times
01:38:22
during this event they're very into live shopping yeah yeah I think Google's really trying to amp up the live
01:38:28
shopping affiliate stuff because I think they see the writing on the wall for like search not making money anymore in the distant future so they're like how
01:38:35
can we just like create new revenue streams well they're killing off their their ad streams by summarizing all the
01:38:41
websites that they sell ads on so now they're just going to make the affiliate marketing through the right the the
01:38:47
e-commerce that just appears directly under the search cuz Google AdSense is like oh my God y they're the backbone of
01:38:54
the web and they're also throttling it and making sure it doesn't work anymore all right Gemini and Android cool
01:39:02
there's this Gemini hover window now that can hover above apps so you can like ask it questions about the app and
01:39:08
interact with the app and do that kind of stuff um seems helpful sometimes annoying other times if it was one of
01:39:15
those Android things where it's like kind of pinned to the right corner and you could press it and then appear when
01:39:20
you want it to be yep that'd be nice I'm not really sure how they're integrating it but you know what this is giving me
01:39:25
the vibe up I feel like Google doesn't know what to use AI for and it reminds
01:39:31
me of like that too it reminds me of like when Apple makes a new thing and they're like developers will figure out
01:39:37
what to do with it yeah like Google doesn't know what to show the AI doing so it's just doing a bunch of things it already does and they're just like
01:39:44
treating it as a new language almost where they're like developers and you guys will eventually figure it out and
01:39:50
make it useful can I have a Counterpoint to that go I Google knows exactly what their AI can do and just like with Bing
01:39:58
and like old chatbots that went off the rails Google is way too scared of the
01:40:03
power that they have and what people could do with it that they have to show the most minuscule safe examples of
01:40:09
things and release it in a very safe way because they know how much power they have buying sneakers buying sneakers
01:40:15
yeah make us some money don't do anything that would hurt the entire our
01:40:20
entire brand I think that's that's my take on yeah but at this point everyone already kind of sees them as losing to
01:40:27
open AI so like why not just do it they know that they actually are winning and
01:40:32
it's only a matter of time and they know they're not behind so much better positioned than open a and and this
01:40:39
event really kind of showcased that because it showcased all the Google workspace stuff that they could actually use Gemini in um this isn't a joke
01:40:46
though we still do have five more things to cover I'm going to go quick promise
01:40:52
we get through okay so in the Gemini and Android floating window thing you could be watching a YouTube video you can be asking questions about the YouTube video
01:40:58
while you're watching it which is semi cool however it hallucinates and gets
01:41:04
stuff wrong um someone gave an example they talked about pickle ball again because that's all the tech Bros talk
01:41:10
about and uh the Google executive who is now in
01:41:15
the pickle ball because of course you are um asked was like is it illegal to put a spin on the pickle ball and it was
01:41:22
like yes you cannot do spin on the pickle ball and some pickle ball person on Twitter was like what what yes you
01:41:29
can um so that's fun uh it now has AI powered scam detection which is kind of
01:41:36
creepy uh because it is consist it's listening to your phone call when you
01:41:42
pick it up and it's listening to what the other thing on the end of the line is saying because it might not be a
01:41:48
person might be a robot by then it's too late and it will tell you it will so the example they gave was like someone who
01:41:55
had answered a call and was like we just need you to like click this link and blah blah blah and then on the phone
01:42:00
there was a little popup that says like this is probably a scam you should hang up now I actually think that's awesome
01:42:06
great for old people except that it's listening to you all the time which is weird yeah which is weird and I imagine
01:42:12
they're going to probably do something about like it's only on device and we don't do anything with the information and we get rid of it immediately after
01:42:19
mhm I think it would be super useful for people who would fall for those games because so many of them it takes 30
01:42:25
minutes to an hour some of them have to go out and buy gift cards and stuff like that and at that point it could be like
01:42:30
this is a scam hang up that could save people like literally life savings totally I think that's awesome yeah um
01:42:37
they're calling all of these new Gemini in Android features Gemini Nano with multimodality because we need more
01:42:44
branding um and it's yeah starting on Pixel later this year uh I imagine it'll
01:42:50
get moved out to more Android phones later they're definitely trying to like build a fortress against apple and be
01:42:56
like look at all our AI stuff that only Android phones have uh Google Chrome is
01:43:02
also getting Gemini Nano I'm not really sure what that means you can do basic stuff in it that you can do with Gemini
01:43:09
Nano now if you use Chrome that was sort of passive they're not that scared of other browsers right now they still have
01:43:15
way too much market share so last year they also introduced this thing called synth ID because when they showed off
01:43:21
the image generation they basically talked about this open standard that they want to create where it bakes in
01:43:27
this hidden Watermark within an AI generated image because we all used to be worried about Dolly stuff and now
01:43:32
we're worried about other AI things now but now they're expanding syid to text
01:43:38
somehow um no idea how they're going to do that but that's interesting and also video uh so I don't think it's going to
01:43:45
be an interesting standard but it's just their version of figuring out whether or not something say I generated they made a joke at the end of
01:43:51
IO where they were like we're going to save you the trouble with how many times we said AI okay we said it 120 times and
01:44:00
they were like ha haha funny and then right as Sundar was getting off the stage he said it one more time and the ticker went up to 121 but then they said
01:44:07
it again so it was 122 I'm just saying also I think that sure they can like
01:44:13
make fun of that and say all that stuff but they said Gemini I think I think the final count on Gemini was 160 times um
01:44:23
and my theory is that they're just replacing AI with Gemini because now
01:44:28
they don't need to convince the stock market that they're an AI company anymore now they just want to bake
01:44:34
Gemini into your brain as hard as physically possible so they just said it over and over and over again um which
01:44:40
was funny it was funny yeah yeah so I think um just to wrap this all up
01:44:46
because I'm sure everyone listening or watching is begging for us to be done with this I'm sorry um um Matt anini
01:44:53
from uh this is and Austin Evans Channel I think had a great tweet to kind of Explain why both of these events felt
01:45:01
not great um he said the problem with overhyping AI is that all the stuff we're seeing today doesn't feel new this
01:45:06
stuff is cool it's impressive but it's barely catching up to what we were told AI was potentially capable of two years
01:45:12
ago so it feels almost like no advancements have been made I thought that was a pretty good summary of
01:45:18
everything like we've watched so much in the past of like this is the stuff we're going to do look how amazing it is and
01:45:24
now we're getting the stuff it actually is doing and it hasn't made it to that point I also think they just throw around technical jargon with like model
01:45:31
sizes and token like parameterization and that yeah they had a whole T they talked about water cooling they're like
01:45:37
we have state-of-the-art water cooling in our new TPU Center and it was like
01:45:43
who cares like who are you trying to tell this to yeah big water big one yeah
01:45:49
um so yeah we can we can we can start to wrap it up so sorry so Marquez are you going to go back and watch the events I
01:45:55
don't think I'm going to watch it I do think I got the idea that like Google is trying to make sure everyone
01:46:01
knows that they've been an AI company for super long and then on the other side of the spectrum is Apple where
01:46:06
they're like okay we don't need to say this over and over and over and over again but we do need people to
01:46:14
understand that we have at least been doing something AI related and they're like these are opposite ends of the
01:46:20
spectrum of like how in your face they want to be about that and both are fine
01:46:28
both are fine I don't really have a a horse in the race I'm just hoping they just keep making their stuff better well
01:46:34
that is a great place to end this podcast which means it's a great place to do our trivy
01:46:42
answers how do you have all of them I don't know wait for
01:46:47
tri but before we get started quick update on the score one thing at a time
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in second place we have a tie with eight points between Andrew who's
01:47:01
currently carrying the one and what does that mean David uh they both have eight
01:47:07
points wait Marquez got something right last week yeah I didn't watch it oh
01:47:12
right we didn't update you Marquez technically was closer than you last
01:47:18
week on the uh how many times did Apple say AI so he actually stole your points he actually got the
01:47:26
exact number yeah so you it did you get it from Quinn's tweet yeah he did I'm pretty sure right thanks Quinn um so uh yes
01:47:34
unfortunately Andrew your lead has been temporarily taken by Marquez brownley um
01:47:40
uh who has nine points is this the closest trivia we've had this deep into a trivia I think so yeah yeah it's wow
01:47:47
it's usually my fault that it's not close but but question one Google IO happened yesterday uh a few days from
01:47:54
the time this is going to get published but yesterday from recording and we all know IO stands for input output classic
01:48:03
uh Tech thing we also know it sometimes stands for Indian Ocean if you watched any of our uh domain name specials yeah
01:48:10
um but according to Google's Blog the keyword IO actually has two more
01:48:15
alternate meetings to Google what are they and I'm giving one
01:48:21
point for correct answer two possible
01:48:28
points I have zero
01:48:35
idea I feel like one of them you would never get the other one you might get I think both of them you'll both
01:48:41
definitely get not if I don't write it think oh
01:48:46
interesting interesting strategy all right Andrew what you put
01:48:55
audio listeners something happened uh uh who should go next D David David all
01:49:02
right I wrote two answers information operation oh clearly and I also wrote
01:49:08
I'm out but that is hilarious thanks Marquez what do you got I wrote IO being
01:49:15
like the one and zero of binary oh it's so you're so close like
01:49:21
so close yeah but his second answer is the best and Google IO for in and- out because every time we go we got to
01:49:28
go I almost want to give him a point for that because that's better than whatever they could have thought of no um so uh
01:49:34
the first thing they listed is the acronym innovation in the open sure yeah right um but according
01:49:43
according according to the keyword what first prompted them to use IO prompt in
01:49:50
the original Google IO was they wanted it to reference the number Google which
01:49:56
begins with a one and looks like an i and is followed by a zero it's technically followed by 99 more zeros
01:50:03
after that zero but that would make for a really long event title Fair funny so now you guys know
01:50:13
that okay cool okay next question what was the name of the AI in the movie Her
01:50:21
which we recently learned Andrew have not seen so this is going to go lovely vr10 Creator be me 2013 midnight
01:50:30
Santa Cruz California you're a hippie you're at a movie theater by yourself sobbing at 1:30 in the morning when the
01:50:37
movie gets out actually it was probably closer to 215 what is happening you sit on a bus for 45 minutes on the way back
01:50:43
to campus and your entire life has changed and now you're sitting in Carney New Jersey and you could never see Wen
01:50:49
Phoenix in the same light Marquez what' you write
01:50:55
Siri nope you wrot Alexa I wrot Paula Paula yeah no uh I wrote Samantha
01:51:03
correct let's go Samantha who would have guessed the person who saw the movie knew the answer
01:51:09
to that I actually was thinking really hard I would have thought that you guys would have seen the movie I don't know I
01:51:14
thought it was a pretty stovie dude you don't know me very Sam Sam Alman has seen this movie there was
01:51:22
a funny uh article that was written about the open AI event that said I it
01:51:30
was called like I am one I'm once again pleading that our AI overlords watch the
01:51:36
rest of the movie yeah be and it was about how they were like referencing her at the open AI event but the ending of
01:51:43
her is supposed to be like no spoilers anyway it was funny it
01:51:50
was haha we're wrapping this up because as little do you know we're recording another episode directly after this I'm
01:51:56
hot and sweaty so yeah so okay yeah thanks for watching and subscribing of
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01:52:13
pretty good it worked yeah yeah the io and Google iio also stands for like And [Music]
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Sil I don't think there's no you might be the only person in the world who and
01:52:48
who like doesn't even know the plot of this movie though like you know what this movie is about right neither of you
01:52:53
oh my God oh my God you guys this is like you are the two perfect people to watch this movie with no context I want
01:53:00
to stay as the perfect person to watch this with no content my all of the AI things we've been talking about would
01:53:06
make so much can you picture can you picture Andrew coming in after sitting through yesterday's Google IO and then
01:53:11
watching her for the first time and being like I get it bro her formed 90%
01:53:17
of my personality
