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One, two, three. Uh, sounds good to me on my headphones. Sounds good to me on my headphones. Sounds good to me on your
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headphones. Sounds good to you on your headphones. Sounds good to Mariah on Andrew's headphones. Sounds good to Andrew on David's headphones.
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[Music] Yo, what is up people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marquez. I'm Andrew. And I'm Nintendo
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Switch 2. I almost said that. I I had to think about it for a second. It hasn't been working as well as we'd hoped, but
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I'm David. Do it more. Yeah. You know what did work? Last time we asked people who hadn't subscribed to subscribe and
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then they did. Yeah. It was kind of crazy how directly I hate how that works. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I have this
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peeve where I if I'm watching a YouTube video and the YouTuber looks into the camera and asks me to subscribe before
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starting anything in the video, I get a little mad. I usually click off and I usually don't. So, we'll have to find a
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better way to do that. But then we work very well and it kind of works. So yeah, it's a it's a middle ground. I guess
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what I'm trying to say is if you're watching this and you're one of those people, please don't get mad, but if you aren't subscribed and it showed us up on
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your feed every week, maybe consider subscribing. It it does great for us. It's amazing. Yeah. Uh anyway, this week
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we have a whole bunch of stuff. Uh Meta's in the midst of an active lawsuit. We saw um maybe there's a new
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Air Tag competitor coming possibly. And we also want to wrap it up with a game because we have a lot of fun with those.
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So the last segment will be a game. Mhm. Um, but first, there was a huge story this week. I mean, it's the elephant in the room. We can't really not talk about it, so I figured we might as well intro
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the entire podcast with it. Uh, sometimes it's an uncomfortable topic for people, but we just got to get right
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into it. Um, and not really mess around. New Beats cables. This, I mean, we saw this coming
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a mile away. Once we saw Beats was making phone cases, we knew that this was not off the table, but we just didn't know when. We knew Beats they've got to make more iPhone accessories, but when are they going to make a cable? And
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they finally did it. And so we have them here. There's actually four colors. Product of the year probably. I know
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it's a little early to say that, but I feel confident. It's 2025. It's it they go pretty hard. There's four colors.
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This is I'm holding two of them. The black and the white. I don't know. Weird. Sorry. Dumb name. You mean bolt
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black and surge stones? Surge stone. You're right. Those are the names. And I have nitro navy and rapid red. What?
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Those are worse. These sound like Red Bull like names, dude. They sound like monster names.
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Yeah. Wait, what was the black fuel? It was Are they alliterations? Bolt black. So they're all They're all It was nitro
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blue. Nitro Navy. Nitro Navy. Rapid Red. Surge stoneations. Surge Stone. Surge Stone's fine. That sounds like a Pokemon. It's better than Rapid Red. Yeah, but
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stone at least rapid red like Oh, it charges fast or whatever. Like stone does not surge as far as you know. I
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mean charging in your computer right now. Oh silicon technically a stone. Uh they do charge at 60 watts. So these are so these are 1 and a half meter woven USBC cables C to C 60 watt charging.
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They're USB 2.0. They're not really meant for data. Uh but they do they technically do. So if you want to like
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transfer if you want to plug them into your headphones or whatever I guess that's cool. But um yeah they're just
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charging cables. I also think the USB A to C is 15 watt. Oh, is it? I think so. Okay. Well, they they are selling these four colors. They sell them in two length variations. There is a 5 foot or
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8 in option. They come in C to C, C to A, and C to lightning. They are all $19 for one or $35 for two, no matter what length you get, which is already ridiculous. Can I ask you a question?
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Sure. What is the point of an 8 in cable? What do you do with an 8 inch cable? a USBC to C cable. Yeah, I'm not
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sure. And they're they're they're all $19 for everyone who's literally not in the US. 20 centimeters. 1.5 meters, I
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think. Oh, you mean the small 8 in cable? Yeah, 20 centimeters. Here's the thing, guys. Uh they're $19 for one or
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$35 for two. They're 60 watt uh USB 2. The anchor equivalent on Amazon right now is $10 for two of that same spec. Mhm. That is also braided. This is the
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thing you're going to find in the Best Buy airport kiosk. We're like, "Oops, I forgot my cable. Like, I know I'm going
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to get upcharged for convenience here, but I'm just going to buy one anyway cuz I need it cuz my headphones are about to die and I'm about to get on a plane and
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whatever. They're just a cable and it's the Beats cable, so they'll probably work with my headphones." Marquez made a
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good point that like Apple does not sell anything except for the MacBooks that charge at more than 60 W. So, that's
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fair, but they're expensive, and I would rather have something that's faster and can do more data for cheaper.
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I'd argue most people have the brick as their limiting factor. So, if you're buying a new cable, it's probably to
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charge something under 60 watts. It's probably, oh, my phone, I need a new charging cable. Oh, my headphones. I
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need to charge my iPad. I need Yeah, I don't think I don't like that you're right about that. If you want to spend a
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lot of money on cables, there are some really nice cables out there. There are the the Ankor Prime is like one of the
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nicest braided cables, I think. And this is 240 watts. It is 30 bucks. So, you know, it's 30 bucks for one cable. 30 bucks for one cable is a lot, but this is a very nice braided cable. And
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that's the Cadillac of cables right there. You know what? Okay, so you guys have a a box of wires, right? Everybody.
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Yeah, exactly. Drawer. Everyone's got a drawer or a box. I have two. I have one just for power and one for nonp power.
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Mine's a suitcase. It's full of wires. It's full of like old random earbuds that I got given. But there are so many. So I had I a couple weeks ago I went through my suitcase. Mhm. And I recycled
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anything that any brick that was less than 30 watts I recycled and I recycled any cable that was micro USB except for one just in case. Just in case you need one. Yeah. And then anything that was
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like A to C, I was like, I just there probably will be a day whenever I rent a car from Turo, it's always only got an A like USBA port and I'm like, well, now I can't use Android Auto or or Apple
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CarPlay. There's a lot of people out there who just buy a cable that's just convenient. Best Buy kiosk is 100% what
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these are for. And they look nice, so people will be more willing to spend money on them at the last minute. Top
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comment on the Apple subreddit about these was, "Is it compatible with the polishing cloth?
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That sounds like the Apple subreddit. Got them. Yeah, shout out to the Apple subreddit. Is the polishing cloth more
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expensive than these? It's 20. It's $19. I think it's the same price. Yeah, but hot take. Yeah. How How fast does that charge? Well, I think I've said this before. I think that one of my hottest
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takes is that the polishing cloth is worth the money. No, I know. I think I've said that on the podcast, but it is actually it's like nano, you know, it's
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not microfiber. It's like nano fiber. It's so good. You think it's worth $20? Yeah. Yes, I do actually. Have you
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bought one? No, I think but it's come it's come with stuff that I have bought. Wait, this is probably a good time to
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announce to audio listeners that Adam is not actually on the podcast today. And we are joined by Mariah. It's a cool animation. Yeah. Well, anyway, yeah,
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that that was the big story of the week. We just had to talk about it up top. I know we don't usually, you know, get
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into that stuff on this podcast, but this felt like a big enough story that we had to go there. So, I hope you guys appreciate our unbiased coverage. Um,
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right, moving on. Um, there's a story. iPhones may or I guess have now been exempted. This is an ongo Okay. Yeah. ongoing development with tariffs. We left off last week with some things that
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have been changing. It's hard to cover tariffs right now. Do you remember the number we left off with last week? It
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was like 20 25%. 34%. 34%. You know what it was when the episode came out? I think it went up 145 two or three times.
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145%. I think it's in the 200s now. It's it's bumped up again. Or maybe that's just something I saw on Reddit. Maybe that's not even true. Um, who knows, baby. But the the story now is uh
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iPhones may be specifically exempt from tariffs. So, this was one of those big questions that connects to regular
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people, which is, okay, the new iPhone is going to come out later this year. Will it be dramatically more expensive
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than we're expecting because of tariffs? $3,000 is not how much it will cost. That is what everyone online says to
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scare you. Well, there were some stories floating around of like lots of these things are made in China. Lot they're assembled in China. These factories are
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in China. A lot of Apple stuff uh gets built there and these tariffs, you know, seem to be heavily affecting a lot of
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these parts. So maybe the iPhone will be heavily affected. So understandably, there's a lot of conversation about it.
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Um, but you know, Tim Cook doing his supply chain wizardry or just politicism or whatever, just has a few conversations and now the iPhone looks to be exempt from tariffs at least for
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the time being. Well, okay, this is as as far as I've got and once again could change. Exempt from reciprocal tariffs,
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but placed in this different I kept seeing it called tariff bucket of uh that it's right now in this weird like thing. they're saying called the
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fentanyl tariff which is to punish China from importing fentanyl into the US. I don't want to go any further into that
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because I don't understand it. That was existing tariff that they had. Yeah. And it's it's for uh fentanyl precursors to
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Mexico where it is manufactured into fentanyl. The the talk is that within the next couple months we might see some
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different types of tariffs coming to the semiconductor industry. So it's not just Apple but semiconductor. Yeah. Tech.
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pretty much everything we've talked about will have some sort of reciprocation from that. Um, but I think
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wanted to say that because I don't think it'll be in the whatever 145% proposed tariff, but it will have some tariffs and also we're going to try and maybe
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not talk about numbers of tariffs much here because it's almost impossible for it to ever come out at the updated price
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point. Yeah. by the time this podcast comes out and by the time you listen to it and by the time it's a week later and someone else clicks on it here's a
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headline threatens new tariffs on smartphones days after exempting them. So, I just got to tell, you know, it's
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hard, especially on a podcast that we record 2 days before we release. Things change multiple times a day in the
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current moment. We have a quick turnaround. Also, we do considering. So, that's the best we can do for now. If
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we're wrong, I'm sorry. We try our best. Cool. I have two other updates that have come that might be related be updated
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slightly to tariffs. Heck yes. Cool. Um, there's a leaker named Billy Bill I don't know if I'm pronouncing that correctly, but that's their username. And it's going around that he's found
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some things about switch to pre-order dates opening in Canada in the US. So, that's, you know, one thing we've worried about if it got delayed because of that. What's happening? But it seems
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pretty soon this the Canada might open up on April 23rd and we might see in the US pre-orders opening sometime between the 21st and the 30th, which is next week, right? It's a week long. Uh
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hopefully we'll be able to talk about it next week. And I think the most interesting thing there other than, you know, actually pre-ordering it cost.
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Exactly. That's what I'm I'm just so curious if those are the pre-order dates and the price doesn't change. I forgot
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if I asked yall already. Are you pre-ordering? Did you say you would or you were just going to wait? I went from
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duh to maybe. Okay. So maybe that's not a pre-order. That's like just waiting in. I feel like it would probably be smarter cuz I'm probably not going to be one of
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the p the people that just like wants to play the new games immediately. So, it might be like a down the line when it's
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discounted, maybe I'll get something. I'll get one. Yeah. Like this the conso's discounted. Yeah. I think I'm
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going to be the first time I happen to see it sitting in physical stock at like a store and just be like, "Yeah, I mean, you're probably going to walk into like a Target or a store you don't expect cuz
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they're going to be sold out from all the obvious places, but then you'll see at a random like Barnes & Noble and be like, "Ah, I'm going to buy a Switch 2
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today." I really I want to I want to hold it. That's the annoying thing. I I would like to actually hold it and see
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how it feels and see if I because I have an OLED. I have a Switch OLED. So, I would like to be like, is this worth the
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higher refresh rate, better build quality for a different type of screen? Yeah, that is the interesting. So, I
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when I went to my hands-on came directly from my regular Switch non OLED to this.
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I mean, that's a huge difference. And it was a night and day difference. Much bigger screen, higher refresh rate and all that, but I could distinctly tell it
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was not an OLED. And I kind of feel like coming from a Switch OLED, I would be in
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the same place as you. I would be less likely to jump fast. The OLED has a bigger screen. It has small much smaller bezels. It is a little bit thinner. It has way better build quality. It's got a
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way it's a bigger battery that lasts longer. It's got a way better kickstand that arguably I mean I have not touched
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the new kickstand, but it seems better than the than the Switch 2 kickstand. I think they're both just as good as far
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as like full width and like range of motion and they just hold in place. Yeah. Yeah. So, so the big things for me
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are like I mean I don't use my Switch that often so I I probably shouldn't be one of the day, you know, that's just
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like launching into the consumerism for no reason. Can I ask you say you want to hold it? I haven't been to the
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electronics department in a store in a long time, but do they still do the like the Well, not yet, but I'm saying will
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they do it like Do they still have the like tethered console where you have to look like 8 ft up in the air and crack
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your neck to watch it? I don't think they do that in like I don't think I think you were just a child
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but it was the TV was always on the top of the display with everything. So like even now would be above my head. It it's
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like the pinnacle of that subreddit of like TV's too high. Okay. But if you find that, let me know because I'm
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curious if it actually is too high or if you just remember it. I think it's both. I I think cuz it was angled down. I
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remember that. So even as an adult, you have to do kind of like this. I think they'll probably have well the JoyCons
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if they can have that same tethered setup cuz in the hands-on area they had tethered uh Switch twos and you could
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not remove the Joy-Cons so everything was like kind of locked in. If they could do that in a store I think they would. Yeah, if you go to the Nintendo
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store in Manhattan they have them available for you to try. Wait, really? Switchos? Well, when I was there it was the other Switch but everything's
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completely tethered. Do you think with it like Okay, let's say these leaks are true or these rumors are true that it
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does pre-orders come out next week and they're the same price. Do we think it's the same price or do we think it changed? Because that feels was weird
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that it got delayed, but this isn't that delayed off the rift. So, like, is that enough time to find a new price for it?
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Especially when everything's moving all over the place. I kind of feel like it's still going to be $4.99. I think it is
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going to stay the same price because one, Nintendo already has a bunch in the United States, they said. two they are I
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heard they were allocating like so they they produce a number of them in China and a number of them in Vietnam and I
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heard that they had just the Vietnam tariffs got basically cut down to just the base 10% and I think I heard that
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they are going to be using basically all of the ones in Vietnam for the United States because of this whole situation.
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So, I don't think that they would up the price. And then also, I think they're like, "Okay, we have enough allocation for the first wave of people that want them, and all of this will probably be
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settled by June, maybe. Hopefully." I don't know. We'll see. I mean, I think that's a fair thing. If I had to guess anything, pre-orders come out same price. where we see the difference is
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like a huge delay in first wave to like second wave of like getting them in store for two to three months. I could see a really really hard to get these if you miss. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So,
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other tariff news. Well, other update that might be related which is almost definitely but not allegedly according
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to me. Um the OnePlus Watch 3 which we talked about it's a very good watch. A lot of people really liked it and it was at a pretty good uh price. Remember9929
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329 which is very good price. It had a misprint on the back where it said meta in China instead of made in China in tiny fine print that you had to go check to see. Yeah. And people called it out
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and OnePlus freaked out and decided to Yeah. It's me people. Hi. Oh, I treated it. I wouldn't I wouldn't want to be at fault for what they did to it. Hey, look. I put it out there. So, I they
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they took it off shelves and they had a delay and they were like, "Actually, this is going to ship in April." I was
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like, "Okay." Uh, now it's shipping again and now it's $500. So, it went up $170, which is like 50% price increase. Many reporters have been asking, "What's
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the deal? What's the deal with the tariffs?" And uh and OnePlus is just not not not answering at all. So they're not they're not saying we're raising the price because of tariffs. We're doing this this this. They're just like it's
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$500 now, guys. And it's a very good W OS watch. I don't know if it's a $500 W OS watch, but $329. It was a super good W OS watch. Fascinating. So that's that's a fun
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tariff story. So maybe So there's like three possibilities here of of what I'm imagining could have happened. One is the tariffs affecting a price and then they're just accounting for that in the
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new price. Yeah. Two is it went on sale and it didn't sell as well as they expected and so when they took it down and brought it back, they're bringing it back in lower volume and therefore a
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higher individual unit cost and therefore are pricing that in. Or possibility number three, it was crushing and tons of people were buying them at 329, couldn't keep it on the
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shelf. And so while they did take it off the shelf to fix the typo, they brought it back and increase the price to
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account for that supply and demand. Do you think there's an option of it's selling exactly the same, but to make up for the cost of presumably thousands of
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watches that can't be sold anymore because of the typo. Yeah. This is to recuperate cost a bit. My question also
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becomes, did they just replace the bottom plate or did they throw away all the watches they made and then just make
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new ones? They're all boxed and everything. It's manufactured, assembled, boxed, packaged, sealed,
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probably wholesale shipped already. I don't know what happens to this. I 100% would have kept it. I would have thought
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that was funny and a cooler watch. If anything, you did keep it, right? I'm wondering if any of our listeners are
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someone who said, "I want to return this." and get the I forget. Did they promise you'll get a new watch at the
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price you paid already or did you get your refund and could order it again? Cuz if I saw, oh my gosh, now I have to
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spend 50% more just to have two letters switched around, I would be pretty upset, right? Especially that they're
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underneath they're touching your skin all the time. You literally can't even see it. Yeah, I believe they made up for it with uh customers. Uh yeah, OnePlus
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says they can get a free replacement if they receive the meta version and are bothered with it. I want to talk about
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one more micro story before he takes a break. Tik Tok is getting its own version of community notes
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in the US. So these are called footnotes and you can apply to be a footnotes contributor where you effectively leave little community notes on the platform.
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Probably good. I mean this is one thing that I think Twitter has done well. It's
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like the only thing they have added to the media ecosystem even though it gave Meta an ability to just not do any
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factecking and say we're just going to and they won't accept me as a community notes author. I've applied like six
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times. Second best thing to do. No, there is a lot of misinformation spread around on TikTok. Uh, notably one of my
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therapists uh told me that there is way too much fake therapy stuff that gets spread on TikTok from people who are not licensed and don't know what they're talking about. Um, so it's probably good
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that people, you know, can go in and actually fact check things, especially because people just share things that
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they see all the time without doing any research on them. It is a big challenge. Like I my experience with community
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notes is not heavy but I remember like Wikipedia has you know has a similar system where people can edit things that they see incorrect and then like add citations things like that and that even
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that is incorrect all the time and needs more citation and people kind of just edit things that aren't necessarily true
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I would know and so Twitter and social media is like a real time version of that where everyone is fact-checking everyone one and things are swaying back and forth often times both wrong and
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it's hard to it's hard to have a correct solution for all of this and I think companies like Tik Tok and Twitter have identified this as probably the cheapest way of having factchecking on their site
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but it's not necessarily the most accurate thing yeah a way that they're trying to get that accuracy up is that
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basically you can leave a footnote and then other people can vote on whether or not that footnote was helpful so it's
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like there's fact checker person that's fact-checking and then other people have to fact check the fact checker to make
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sure that you're not just like spreading misinformation for fun which is a good idea but it's still just a popularity
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contest until everyone wants to spread misinformation for fun that's true which you know if we know anything about the
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internet people do love doing that I'm interested in the the only screenshot they show is the page to become a
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footnote contributor I want to know where this pops up video like is there something that comes up at the bottom
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like there may be an accurate information is this in the comment section which is nice but also like I
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would argue with the content yeah like 80% of the people watching a Tik Tok don't go into the comments and Tik Tok
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comments mostly never have anything to do with the actual really it's been a while since I've been there but every
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time I would like watch a video and want to know something more about it and see the comments it would just be like I don't understand this what's going on
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and like 50 comments just making fun of the person for not understanding that's interesting I could be wrong so we can
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cut this but I think Harper was talking about how the Tik Tok talk comment section is like dynamic and so the
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comments you see might not be the same as the comments someone else sees. That's true about a lot. Yeah. Yeah. So
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I don't know if the footnotes will be, you know, available to everyone. I don't really know how that'll be different,
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but Well, it says after it meets the standard of helpful, it will be visible to the community. Yeah. So like Twitter,
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you know, it almost like quote tweets itself, right? And puts the community note on the bottom. But in videos where
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there's not a lot of text, there's a description that's usually cut off. Where would this pop up? It's a good
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question. Like on the video or do you have to go into the comments or the description to see it? Well, anyway, we do have a lot more to talk about, but we
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should take a quick break. So, let's do trivia. I I was I was thinking on that note cuz like a community note. Oh, that's a footnote. On that footnote, thank you. So guys, we talked about
00:23:26
Beats cables earlier in this episode, and I thought this story was so funny because one of the big selling points of Beats back in the day, Firstwave Beats,
00:23:38
was that their cables came from what audio fileoriented cable supplier? Uh, I remember old Beats. Old Beats were these were This was advertised. This was like,
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hey, Beats headphones use. Oh yeah, cables. I think I might have I have an idea. made a video about this. Maybe not entirely about it, but I definitely have
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mentioned it. Truth. I'm sure you did. Yeah, I did a video. You've been doing beats on and off for years. Yeah, a lot
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of Beats coverage over the years. Okay. Well, hopefully I'm remembering correctly. That's the first video I ever saw from you, by the way, was Truth
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About Beats by Truth About Beats by went viral on Reddit. I was sitting in my friend's It was the top of Reddit. I
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remember that. was sitting on my friend's couch that I was living at at the time. And uh where were you when it
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dropped? I remember I literally I it's burned into my memory. I don't really know why. Anyway, incredible. Okay,
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well, we'll think about that one. The answers will be at the end like usual and we'll be right [Music]
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talk about favorite company. What? Beats by Dre again. Meta, not Meta in China. Meta the company. Wow. We're doing segways everywhere in this. I don't know if it's
00:28:04
a segue if it's this far after that, but I'll call it probably Facebook for most of this cuz a lot of what we're going to talk about is in the Facebook days,
00:28:11
which is so funny. It is. Um, they're in the midst of an antitrust lawsuit in the US. Um, in fact, this week Mark
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Zuckerberg's taking the stand to defend himself and his Meta company against the FTC. Um, and we're quickly going to talk
00:28:24
about it because it really reminds me of when we talked about the Google antitrust case. Um, but if you want like the real in-depth live coverage of it,
00:28:32
Lauren Feiner at the Verge is always the one who's down in DC covering all of these cases. And I'll link it in the
00:28:38
description, but she has this great page that's just like pretty much everything about this in order. And if you really
00:28:44
want to dive into it, she's the one to go to. Um, so what they're going over right now
00:28:50
in the court case is if meta Facebook was creating scenarios where they stifle competition versus Facebook and you know
00:28:56
antitrust monopoly. Um, so the two main things it seems that they're focusing on is purchasing Instagram which they did
00:29:02
for a billion dollars in 2012 and also purchasing WhatsApp for $19 billion in 2014. Um, what we're discovering during
00:29:11
this time is a bunch of leaked emails, which is always the fun part of these cases. Um, and a lot of them seem to be
00:29:18
done or a lot of the things we're seeing is that these purchases were made to quote unquote neutralize the competition
00:29:25
because at the time when they bought Instagram, Facebook was working on a camera app and they were doing a lot of photo stuff and Mark Zuckerberg in an
00:29:32
email just said it'd be better to buy them. Um, in fact, there's an email in 2008 that has been referenced a bunch of
00:29:38
times already this week where he literally just says, "It's better to buy than to compete, which I feel like that
00:29:44
quote in an antitrust lawsuit case is pretty damning pretty straightforward." I Okay. Yeah. I My take on this It feels like we have one of these cases like every year. Uh, yeah, we do. is the I've
00:29:58
definitely said this in videos before, but companies this big always whenever they make any public facing decision, especially acquiring a company, but any product decision, they always will be
00:30:09
ready with a public-f facing reason and a behind-the-scenes reason for why they're doing it. Yeah. And both can be true at the same time, right? So, I
00:30:21
don't know for if you're if you're Apple and you're removing the headphone jack, for example, universally everyone's like, "Wow, they're doing that to just
00:30:27
like, you know, charge wireless, you know, charge for wireless headphones, but also upfront they're saying courage
00:30:32
and they're saying things like more room inside the phone, etc." Both can be true
00:30:38
at the same time, but you know, you might feel a certain way about one of those reasons. This is like we are
00:30:44
seeing very blatantly the behind the-scenes reason for Facebook acquiring Instagram. Uh it's better to buy than to compete. Okay. Well, there it is. But also the public reason is things like,
00:30:55
oh, there's so much competition in the video space and they do well with video and we're never going to be as big as YouTube, but this is our chance at being
00:31:01
YouTube's competition. Whatever. They're all true at the same time. It's kind of like uh Ellis might appreciate this. SGA
00:31:09
deserves MVP this year. He deserves it. He's on a 68 win team, historically good. He's led the league in points. He lead I think he's top three in steals. He's an incredible defender. He's just
00:31:23
having a historically good leading campaign on a very young team. Best player, best team. He deserves MVP.
00:31:29
Okay, I like that argument. Joic deserves MVP this year. He's averaging a triple double. He's had his a historic
00:31:37
uh statistical season. His onoff splits are ridiculous. Without him, the Nuggets are a basement dollar team. He had a 60
00:31:45
like 2010 game or something crazy this year. Like he he clearly deserves MVP. Can I ask which one's the monopoly in
00:31:52
this analogy? I'm saying both are true at the same time. What is SVG? SGA. I did. I thought it was an audio company. Is a Well, I thought that's what you said. SGA. SGA is the MVP. He
00:32:06
So, wait. He's a player. He's not Okay, back up. Back up. Rewind. The NBA season just ended this week. Oh, really? And at
00:32:12
the end of the regular season, does someone win? Well, the regular season, then the playoffs are going to start and
00:32:18
all the best teams will compete for the championship. But the regular season is over. Okay. And once the regular season is over, all of the voting for the
00:32:24
regular season awards happens. So about 100 media members, coaches, etc. get ballots and get to officially cast ballots uh to vote for who they think should win each award. One of them is
00:32:35
the MVP. Okay. And this regular season has been one of the tightest MVP races ever because typically there's kind of one runaway historic like this guy had
00:32:45
an amazing year. Give him the MVP. I don't want anybody else considered. Somebody else might get a few a few votes here and there, but it's got to be
00:32:51
this one person. Right. This year there are two players who if you ask those teams fan bases, this guy deserves it. I don't want to hear it about anyone else.
00:33:02
And that is Shay Gillis Alexander for the Oklahoma City Thunder. And that is Nicola Joic on the Denver Nuggets. Who
00:33:09
did Who is the guy that did the thing where he did the multiple things at the same time? I was telling you about the
00:33:14
30 2020 game. That was Jokic this year. He had a couple historic games like that. So it should be him, right?
00:33:20
Historically great player and he deserves it. Yeah, he deserves it. I guess my my tangent here is just to get
00:33:25
back on track is uh both things are true at the same time and even though I might
00:33:30
like one of the arguments more than the other, you can kind of just assume they are both true and that's what court is
00:33:37
for. Yeah. So court's going to decide court's going to decide if one of those reasons is unfair or more true than the
00:33:43
other or you know whatever. So that's I think they will find that yes there were anti-competitive motivations behind a
00:33:49
lot of those things. What do they decide to do about I think the super TLDDR version is yeah, they're, you know, the FTC is trying to prove that they're
00:33:56
taking up, you know, they're they've got way too much of a monopoly in the social media space, especially with buying
00:34:01
those two. And and it's weird cuz back then it was kind of to stifle and neutralize them. Now, that's weird to say cuz WhatsApp and Instagram are like
00:34:08
two of the largest social media apps, but it's still all owned by Meta with Facebook. I mean, Meta's thing has always been let us buy you or we will
00:34:15
destroy you. That has literally been the that's always been their thing. Here's the question, though. when they bought
00:34:21
Instagram, it wasn't nearly as monopolyish and massive and now it is. And so they've grown it into this thing and kind of similar with WhatsApp. It was huge already, but now it's even bigger. Yeah. And so are are they more
00:34:34
like punishing for successful growth of those companies or were they buying their way into a guaranteed monopoly back then? What could happen here though, which is why I think it's similar to remember when the Google
00:34:46
antitrust one, they might have to get rid of Chrome, which is still poss. It's still possible. This could end in the
00:34:51
sense of Meta getting rid of or having to having to get rid of WhatsApp or Instagram. Yeah. Which is also ironic
00:34:58
because there was another email that surfaced where Zuck said, "Maybe we should spin off Instagram into a
00:35:04
separate company because historically companies that are separate from the giant companies actually grow more and
00:35:11
do better." Um, and he had said that a number of years ago in an email and now he is defending why they shouldn't have to do that. This is litigation between a government and a company worth hundreds
00:35:22
of billions of dollars. So, who knows when we'll see a result from this, but uh I think it was interesting to bring
00:35:28
up because we covered the Google stuff and again, there's lots of other reporters dealing with government
00:35:36
processes and court cases like this that get really deep into it and I highly suggest following them. Can I can I
00:35:41
throw to an article that I thought was really really good about this exact topic? Sure. It's a Wall Street Journal
00:35:48
article called Inside Mark Zuckerberg's failed negotiations to end antitrust case. Uh it's in the Wall Street
00:35:54
Journal. It was written by Dana Mioli, Rebecca Ballhouse, and Josh Dozy. And there is one really baller quote in it from former secretary uh not secretary,
00:36:05
former head of the FTC Lena Khan. And that is Mark bought his way out of competing. So I'm not surprised that he thinks he could buy his way out of law enforcement, too.
00:36:16
bar. Also, you know, I was thinking about just like Meta's whole thing being like, "What do you mean we're
00:36:22
anti-competitive? Like, we're just doing business stuff." And I think two sort of unrelated things that point to like,
00:36:28
"Okay, bro." Is um I don't know if you remember all those news stories in Wall Street Journal and also weirdly in like
00:36:34
New York Post about meta engineers in 2022 and 2023 being hired and explicitly told to do nothing so that they couldn't work at other companies. I mean every
00:36:46
Yeah. Every company that's like a huge joke in the Silicon Valley show. It is. But also like come on. And then also uh
00:36:53
if you go to Evan Spiegel, CEO of Snapchat's LinkedIn, his bio says VP of product at Meta because they just steal so many of Snapchat. Funny. He did that
00:37:05
a few weeks ago. Yeah. Anyway, uh like we said, there are many better reporters than us covering the story in real time,
00:37:12
so you should go check them out. Yeah. I like that Wall Street to that article and also learn and fighter at the Verge.
00:37:17
They have a live blog literally just in real time detailing what's happening at the trial. So you can go check that out.
00:37:23
Speaking of competition um you got there eventually. Chipollo uh has launched massive tech company Chipo. So competition for Air Tags and
00:37:36
other find my devices. Chipollo has famously made a couple products in this category, but they are launching Pop
00:37:41
Tags, which support both Google's Find My Network and Apple's Find My Network in the same product, which is very cool. They previously sold uh different devices, different tags that supported
00:37:54
one or the other that you could buy, right? Um and notably, Chipo was sort of the first company to adopt Find My after
00:38:01
the whole Tile v. Apple situation that we made a video about called uh Apple versus the paradox of choice. Mh. And uh
00:38:09
now they are supporting both find my device from Google and Apple find my which is very cool. So you can only use
00:38:15
one or the other. Mhm. At a time. So you know Yeah. You can't like have your iPhone connected to this tag and also
00:38:22
have your friend's or your spouse's Android phone connected to the tag at the same time. Wait, let's let's make it
00:38:28
simpler. Marquez has both an iPhone and an Android phone. Yeah. Mhm. This Chipolo Pop tag could not be findable by
00:38:36
both phones. Both phones for some reason. Okay. Like Apple does support multiple people having access to the same find my device uh object through iOS 18 or whatever. But yeah, you can't
00:38:48
be using an Android phone and and an iPhone and be using it for both. Here's my question. Do you do you have to
00:38:53
choose which network it's on? It uses both. It has the technology for both. When you set it up for one, it cannot be set up for the other at the same time. But what Andrew's asking is if you put it on the find Apple's Find My Network.
00:39:06
Yeah. And then you take you lose your keys in a country solely with Android devices and no Apple devices. You goofed. Will you not be able to see the location? No. Well, oh, so it only uses
00:39:18
one of those networks at a time. At a time. Yeah. Well, here's my question. I have an Android phone. I can use the
00:39:24
Chipolo app on my Android phone, but I want the chip to connect to the Find My Network in the US because there's more
00:39:30
iPhones. I don't even do that. Oh, yeah. This sucks. It probably has to do with a radio thing because they're pinging
00:39:37
devices all the time. And if it was pinging two sets of radio frequencies all the time, it would die much faster.
00:39:43
Okay, my guess. It doesn't suck. Sorry. It's still cool. This would be cream of the crop if it could hit both. if it could hit both or I could pick which one. I'm guessing that's against the
00:39:54
terms of service to at least one of them which seems competitive. Yeah, right. Remember that law? So there Yeah,
00:40:02
remember the lawsuit Google? Yeah. So there's there's other benefits to this. They extended the Wi-Fi range. So it
00:40:08
used to be 200 feet on their previous tags is now 300 ft, which is very cool. You can also use them as camera
00:40:14
shutters, which is interesting. I think that's why they call them Chipo Pops because I think that they have like a
00:40:19
button. Wait, that's awesome. Which is dope. That is really dope. So, they have a little more functionality than uh than
00:40:25
just an Air Tag. And it also has IP55 water and dust resistance. It It comes in multiple colors. It comes in like
00:40:31
these bright neon type colors like yellow and green and red, which should be easier to see with your eyes, which
00:40:38
would be nice. So, anyway, I think this is kind of nice for people who are thinking of maybe eventually switching
00:40:44
to a different mobile phone. Yeah. which is kind of nice. And also, um, you know,
00:40:52
maybe they're probably more likely to go on like bigger sale than Air Tags are because Apple devices don't go on super
00:40:59
sale that often. So, this is the perfect device for Adam cuz he's constantly switching between devices. That's true.
00:41:05
Adam switches from Android to iOS like every other week. So, this is perfect for listening to this like, "Yes, this
00:41:10
is this is my thing." How many times do you think he's changed since he's been on vacation? At least twice. Over under
00:41:16
2.5 for sure. Yeah. Uh they also have a replaceable CR 2032 cell battery that lasts about a year. That is I think the same battery that the Air Tag uses. So
00:41:27
it's nice that you can do that. Yeah, I think that's pretty pretty sick. Moving on. Speaking of networks,
00:41:36
well done, Ellis. Very nice. That was good. Find my guys AI generated social network. You know what the worst part
00:41:42
about social media is? Everything. Yeah, there's a bunch there's there's a bunch of people there. Yeah,
00:41:48
that is the problem. Yeah, you know what I wish was there? No one slop. The Verge
00:41:54
is reporting that OpenAI is building its own Xlike social media network. That's fun. The network is reportedly focused around ChatGpt's image generation with a social feed. It is currently unclear
00:42:07
whether or not it will be built into ChatGpt or it will be a separate product. they just know it's in the
00:42:12
early stages and is in development which is weird and interesting and funny. There are a few different reasons they
00:42:18
might be doing this. Um obviously uh just like X does you can just keep collecting data and you can keep adding training data to your systems that only
00:42:28
you have that only you have. So if OpenAI themselves creates a social network that people post on a bunch,
00:42:34
they can just use that information to train more. I'm sorry to cut you off, but if if someone harvests data for
00:42:42
training purposes from this social media platform and OpenAI is like, hey, that's ours. That is
00:42:49
going to make my blood boil. It would be really funny. The other things they said it was like focused around image
00:42:54
generation. We talked about last week, I believe, all of the or maybe it was two weeks ago, everyone was getting on the
00:43:01
train of making their own AI generated avatars using Studio Giblly prompts. M. So I imagine OpenA is like Oh, they also recently announced the infinite context
00:43:12
window for chat GPT where it remembers literally everything you ever talked to it about. So I could imagine that maybe
00:43:18
it will suggest social media posts that you could make based on things that you've been doing. Um, which is just
00:43:25
bad. I just really It's kind of It reminds me of LinkedIn. You know, when someone like changes a job on LinkedIn,
00:43:31
there's a button that just says, "Congratulations." Or on Facebook, if you go on, it's like,
00:43:36
"Wish this person a happy birthday." And there's a button that says like, "Happy birthday, Ellis." It's funny you mentioned LinkedIn because I was reading
00:43:42
something the other day, like an old article talking about how over 50% or some considerably large amount of posts
00:43:49
are already AI on LinkedIn. Oh my lord. So, we already have an AI social media network just waiting for us. It's there.
00:43:57
We're just burning down the world, creating a network of information that nobody reads. I think Twitter, a lot of
00:44:04
like third party sources estimate is even higher than 50% of posts on Twitter are from AI or bots. I see a lot of AI
00:44:11
gener I I'll see like I'll post a video on on Twitter or post something and within two seconds get a reply saying great video about the A B CDE E F and G because the AI summary just like auto
00:44:23
detected and auto replied in two seconds. That's that's all over Speaking of uh we tried the ultimate segment three
00:44:34
whole give me enough time. Sam Alman might be the new social media head honcho around these parts. Obviously when slash if that drops it's going to
00:44:46
get a lot of buzz a lot of coverage but not every social media startup gets that
00:44:54
much coverage. So, I have before me four real social media platforms that might be flying under the radar. They are all real. They are all real. Instead of having you guess which one is fake like
00:45:06
I normally do, I want you to tell me which of these is the oldest. Oh. Which one has been around for the longest
00:45:13
time? Are you ready to hear them? Yeah. A. No place, a mashup of Twitter and MySpace for Gen Z. B. 10. a walkietalkie
00:45:25
app sort of like if Snapchat was focused on voice messages. C Airat, another audio focused social media network described as a combination of Twitter and Clubhouse, which is weird because
00:45:39
Clubhouse is baked into Twitter now. And D, and I really hope I'm saying this right, Jagot. J A G A T. Jagot, a
00:45:50
location-based social media platform for real-time tracking. Remember when Clubhouse got offered a billion dollars
00:45:56
and didn't take it? Mhm. God, I I I have lots of memories of failed social networks from Ping last year. From last year, Google Buzz T2 to
00:46:09
T2. T2, baby. We'll think about this one. Answers at the end. Be right back. [Music]
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ARM and npm, wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back. Uh we are going to wrap up today's podcast with a little game. Just almost fell out of my chair.
00:50:07
I'm like excited. I'm so stoked. Um, yeah. So, this is a new thing. We like to try new things here. And this game
00:50:13
was recommended to us by someone on Twitter. Uh, the username M100X. So, thank you for recommending this game. Uh, because seems like it's going to be really fun. So, the way this is going to
00:50:25
work, I am going to name a popular product or service in the technology sphere uh with a catch. A catch that does not exist in real life. Feel free
00:50:37
to ask me any questions about any of these hypothetical scenarios and I will uh clear it up. You guys upon hearing
00:50:45
each one of these hypothetical product services with a catch will make a blind ranking of 1 through 10. This means you
00:50:53
will not know what is coming later. It could be better, it could be worse. Uh but you will still need to rank it. And hopefully at the end we have a hilarious list of ranked number one being this is
00:51:05
fine and I would use this number 10 being dear god uh of good tech services and products. I think as a baseline between the three of us on a rating of 1 through 10 how much do we trust Ellis?
00:51:18
He is the one feeding it to us in this order. So we are all on the same page. A the best one. A banger for the last to
00:51:26
last one. A banger as in good or we don't know if it's best or worse. So, it's a banger. Yeah. Saved it for the
00:51:32
second to last one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because because we would think that he'd save. Let's keep that one in and 10 spot open. Awesome. We all distrust Ellis.
00:51:39
And that's exactly where I wanted to get to. Uh let's start off with something a little easy. Google Maps uh
00:51:46
works exactly the same as it does in real life, but you cannot complete a trip without
00:51:54
picking someone up along the way. And if you think you can get around it, Google Maps will reroute you until you have
00:52:01
picked someone up. Like a stranger. Could be a friend. It could be a stranger. It doesn't really matter. But you can't do the trip alone when you're
00:52:08
driving. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This only applies to driving trips and cycling trips.
00:52:16
Get on my spokes, stranger. You need pegs on your bike. This has got to be I feel like I can get around that. I feel like I could have someone waiting for me at each destination and then just pick them up right before the destination and
00:52:28
that's my pickup. Car car pools are accepted forms of picking someone up. Mhm. What do you mean? Okay. Like like if you have someone come to your house and do the entire trip. So basically you
00:52:41
just never drive alone. Yeah. Yeah. That's exactly it. That is good for the planet. That's a 10 for me. It's like
00:52:47
the worst thing ever. No, I'm like I'm fine. But I think this, you know, if it's in the city, I think this is a much
00:52:52
more obtainable thing and a lot easier. But if you're in the city, you don't even need Google Maps. You just go by street numbers. If I'm using maps, I'm
00:52:59
like going somewhere I don't know, man. I'm taking the subway everywhere. This is just public transit, guys. Right. Yeah. What about all the You don't have
00:53:06
to be in a in an enclosed small environment with Well, yeah. Yes, you do. But there's a lot of people, you
00:53:11
know. It can be a stranger, too. Let's go six. Let's go six. Six. Are we Are we in agreement there? I think my thing is is like I do maps on the way home every day and Alex and I could carpool. That
00:53:22
would make perfect sense. It's going to like who am I going to pick up when I'm going to like when I drove down to like
00:53:29
uh the Smoky Mountains? When I go to the tire shop, when I go get groceries? I mean, I don't need Google Maps every
00:53:34
time, but like it's going to get annoying, you know? I like this. My sense of direction will explode. Yeah, I
00:53:39
have horrible sense of direction. I I think six or seven. I mostly only pick up Ellis when I'm driving here. And then
00:53:45
if I use my car otherwise, I usually have a full car. So what what happens if the car is full? That that counts. Oh,
00:53:53
right. Right, right, right. You don't have to pick up Yeah. Okay. Yeah. This also implies at some point you will go in a stranger's car at some point.
00:54:00
Really? Yeah. Well, we do that all the time for Uber, right? Technically. Yeah. Yeah. Five. I mean, five and six is
00:54:08
close. I could get five. Also, I think it's smarter to start in the center and move out. Agreed. All right. We're going
00:54:14
five. Number two, YouTube with all of its features, subscriptions, live streams, YouTube TV, YouTube, like
00:54:21
everything's the same except in order to use it, you first have to crank a box, like one of those emergency flashlights. How long? You know what I'm talking about? One to one with watch time.
00:54:33
Is it hard to crank? Uh, it's the same resistance as one of those flashlights. Is that a lot? That's hard, right? No,
00:54:39
it's not too bad. That's not too bad. Mm- real time. One more question. Yeah. If you're watching the video in 2x speed, do you have to crank for the video time of 1x or what you're watching
00:54:51
at 2x? Amazing question. I'm going to say you have to crank for the 1x. Oh, David's screwed. David is going to be
00:54:58
jacked. Can't watch podcast. Why would just go to the gym, go on the treadmill, and then use the crank on the treadmill
00:55:07
and then when you're So, get a workout in and then go home. And now you've got like an hour, an hour and a half of
00:55:12
each. I've been being served these Instagram reels. It's so dangerous and you should not do it. Of people
00:55:18
literally doing dead like deadlifts while running sprinting on the treadmill and it's like overhead press. Overhead
00:55:24
press while sprinting on the treadmill. Probably one of the most dangerous things you could do. Big like face in
00:55:30
Saratoga water energy. Yeah. But that would be me with the box. Yeah. Multitasking. I like this idea. I want more of a Yeah. It's payoff. It's kind
00:55:41
of like a You guys don't watch as much YouTube as I do. I do, but one, maybe I would watch less. And two, it would it
00:55:48
would have a direct benefit to watching YouTube. I feel like they should have this, but for screen time on your phone.
00:55:54
Don't give many ideas. Yeah. Should we Maybe we just got the best million dollar product idea. Okay. Um, I'm going
00:55:59
to put this on. I'm like two or three on this. I would say no. I can't be there.
00:56:04
Four. Three. Three. Three. Four. Four. For three. This. I can do four. What's your final answer? I think seven.
00:56:11
really because it's that much worse than the Google Maps one for me. You're going
00:56:16
to proactively No one's going to proactively do it every six. I would say seven. Seven, which is I I would go seven just cuz you can't crank it. A
00:56:27
Nintendo Switch 2, but it is $2,700 tariffs. That's fine. It's not that far from reality. I'm not going to get one anyway. One totally fine. Um Um um can
00:56:41
you cla you know I uh straight up or can I do a payment plan? That's not real. Sure. Payment plan. Uh no I feel like this one needs some extra zing. $2,700 all at
00:56:53
once. All at once. All are games still the same price which is still $8. $80 anyway. Games are a value if the Switch
00:56:59
is $2,700. Mhm. Um I would not buy it. So where does that put it? Yeah. It would just take me from probably not going to pre-order to just I'm not buying one. Yeah, take me from maybe but
00:57:11
to absolutely not. So So to me that's like a I'll put it at two just to be safe, but I I don't have any problem.
00:57:16
Just so we're clear, the you're ranking on with on how much you would enjoy using it, which includes the purchasing
00:57:23
of it, right? So I'm forced into this. Yeah. Yeah. You're ranking out the desiraability of actually purchasing
00:57:29
this compared to the other torture I'm hypothetically subjecting you to. Yeah. It's I feel like right now with the
00:57:35
current games available, it's like that's so not worth so mad. Would you rather spend $2,700 on a Switch or let a stranger join you on every car ride for
00:57:47
the rest of your life? No, only when using I'd rather spend the money on the Switch, too. Yeah. Like I'd probably
00:57:52
rather have it. I hear a three. I would say two money. Two or three. It's just money. Two. It's a lot of money. This is a two. So this next one is Spotify. We
00:58:05
all know Spotify. Excuse me. Spotify premium. Thank you. So you are paying the normal price for this, whatever it
00:58:10
is now. Um except they have disabled the ability to skip to the next song. You must listen to every song in its entirety. And every third song is this.
00:58:23
[Music] Hell yeah. This is going to ruin my life. Is this royalty-free? Yeah. Uh, I mean, we've already licensed it. Nice.
00:58:34
And yes, Marquez, this does count on your cardio playlists. Oh, he's running full speed and then he's just like, this song is 2 and 1/2 minutes long. It's not that bad. That's
00:58:45
like a pop song. Yeah, but I got to I guess I'll mute it, but like Jesus. Um, I'm down. You want to do that right now? You know what? I have a hot take. This
00:58:57
would The fact that you have to Is this song? I'm having trouble thinking. It was I think it's there's a few bars of
00:59:03
seven here and there, but that's a good catch. Can you turn it off? No, no, no, no. You We got to simulate this so you
00:59:09
can really I'm having trouble thinking, but okay. Uh I think that it would help people appreciate music more because
00:59:15
they'd have to listen to like the full album again. They would never listen to a full album. Why? Because you hear this
00:59:21
like, you know, like you'd hear this several times. It would It's two songs this song. Two
00:59:28
songs this song. Yeah, you could you couldn't listen to an album cover to cover cuz you have to listen to this
00:59:33
every time. It's kind of making my skin like six times. But we are halfway through the song.
00:59:42
This um uh I listen to hundreds of hours of music every every month. It's This is
00:59:49
tough. Four. This is worse than the Google Maps one. Really? Yes. Seven. My two greatest
00:59:57
things are like I drive alone and with music. If you're going to force me to do one or the other, this is brutal. I'm
01:00:03
just imagining the guy you pick up for your trip and this comes on and you're like, I'm so sorry. Eight. You think
01:00:09
it's an eight for you? For me, it's like a six. I would probably be on the the top five part section, but I mean I
01:00:17
don't listen to that much music then. I could do it. No, but but where it would really hit me hard is Lane is super
01:00:23
particular about music that I turn on where she just starts screaming. No, no, no, no, no. She hates almost every song
01:00:29
unless it's the Five Little Ducks song. And so she would just be in the back seat screaming at me. Oh, she's going to learn to love this song. And you can't
01:00:36
skip any other song. So if you put a different song on and it's not the right song, you Oops. You have to listen to
01:00:41
the whole song, guys. The song is almost over. So I need a number in the next 5 seconds. What? Sorry, what do we have?
01:00:47
Six. Six is over. Six. Six is open. Six. Six. Six. All right. Up next, iMessage.
01:00:53
But you are limited to one syllable words. That's money. That's a play game like I am a cat. I am not a cat. Yeah. Hi Dave. Dave. You take me to work.
01:01:08
Have you played the game poetry for Neanderthalss? No. That is what this is based on. I am
01:01:14
really good at that game. So, this is a game based on where you have to try and explain something to someone, but if you
01:01:19
use more than one syllable in one of the words, somebody has a blowup mallet next to you and you hit them in the head with
01:01:25
it. Oh, that's how I talk. That's how I talk. You pick me up in car. That is so fine. What song? This bad. What song is this? This podcast
01:01:36
would be awful if we could only talk in one song. Why are we listening? Why are we here this again? Why? Why my ears no
01:01:45
like? Why we hear this now? I think this is fine. Okay. So, one or two or two's already taken. So, one or three. So, it's just on iMessage. Just on iMessage. Oh, yeah. What can you send? The
01:01:56
efficiency is through the roof. Yeah, that's a one. Yeah, one. What does Kevin say in the office? Why say more when
01:02:03
less when less words do? Okay. Okay. Okay. Well, on that tip, Gmail. Okay. Exactly the same it is now. Still free. Good mail. Uh, and this one is actually inspired by one of MX100's suggestions.
01:02:16
Gmail accept every 100 emails you get. There is a 50% chance that all of your communication records get deleted. So, text messages, fans answering machine, all your emails across every email
01:02:30
account. What? So, they all get deleted every day cuz I get hundreds of emails a Marquez would have a 100% chance pretty
01:02:37
much because that his inbox sounds like this is not for him. I've been playing too much Batro. Do you get emails in
01:02:43
Bolatro? No, but there's just too many multipliers and chances and like Oh. Oh, you got statistics on four chance that
01:02:49
all So, just to get this straight, everyund emails you receive, there is a coin flip. There is a coin flip of
01:02:55
deleting all records of all of your communications across every service. Wait, I thought it was a one in 100
01:03:01
chance. It's every 100 emails. There is a 50% chance. And I will say I'll give you this. All of your tweets stay up. All YouTube like all social channel
01:03:13
posts remain intact. Public posts, all private communications get destroyed. It's funny because of how many people younger than us use Snapchat to communicate where this basically just happens on purpose. But fair enough, but
01:03:27
you also have to talk to your accountant. Well, okay. The benefit of this is you have to write everything down. you'd have to like put things in
01:03:34
your calendar immediately and like which I do. Yeah. It would help people stay more on top of it instead of relying on
01:03:40
their email as a second brain. You know what I mean? It would for sure ruin some things but maybe it's manageable. Think
01:03:45
about how free you'd feel. This burden is lifted. Honestly, yeah. I try to get to zero like every 6 months. And if this
01:03:52
just did it for me, I'm kind of down for that. I guess. Yeah. The way around this would be anytime you ever get any
01:03:58
communication with anything you need to see like to save like someone sends you a concert ticket, you immediately have
01:04:03
to save it just to make sure if anyone sends you a date or an address, you have to save it somewhere else because all of
01:04:09
your communication records are probably going to get deleted the next day. I actually like that. The more I think about it, the Gmail search sucks so bad
01:04:16
anyways, so I can barely go back 12 emails. So maybe it's not that much as a feature. I'm starting to think
01:04:23
this isn't that bad. Yeah, I can I I kind of already save everything. Anyway, we already used one and two, so let's
01:04:28
use three. I think it would encourage people to to actually be proactive about the things they get in their email, and I like that. So, this next one is another coin flip one. Okay, it's a
01:04:40
little different stats. It's Venmo, but whether you are sending or receiving the
01:04:46
given amount is decided by a coin flip. I love that. And oh my god, this applies to all users of Venmo. Meaning if your
01:04:54
plan is to be like, "Oh, if I accidentally send this to you, send it back." Coin flip. So if I potential to double
01:05:00
or nothing. If I have to send Marquez $500, it flips a coin and he might have to send me $500. You're saying my
01:05:07
landlord could pay me. Yeah. What the heck? That's That's interesting because I don't use Venmo that much. So it would
01:05:13
be kind of funny and I think I could work with that. If you're the one who's always paying other people to be the one
01:05:20
that pays for things like because of dinners and stuff, it's way in your favor because there's just a chance that
01:05:25
you make money. But if you're an opt recipient of Venmo transaction that would suck. You could end up just owing
01:05:32
people a lot of money that you're already paying. I think this would What's the baseline of like the most
01:05:37
expensive thing you've sent on Venmo? Uh I mine's like $ 20 to $50. I sent $5,000
01:05:43
on Venmo. Oh, I have a way this could potentially suck. You are limited to $7,000 a week. Yeah, that's actual Venmo
01:05:49
terms of service. I'm just saying like in general, I'm mostly paying people back for like we got food, here's my
01:05:54
part of the bill, right? So, like that'd be kind of fun. Every once in a while, sometimes I get a burrito and 50 bucks if you agree to it with your friends. I think it would be kind of fun. Yeah, I
01:06:05
think that could be managed with reasonable amounts of money. My only thing is the tip jar on several social
01:06:11
networks, including Twitter, is just a link to Venmo. So people could just constantly flip the coin until you get
01:06:18
money from people. Oh, it would be better if it was PayPal and they took a transaction fee and that way you would just be losing money.
01:06:27
Yeah. It's like I go I see the tip jar, I go donate a dollar and I coin flip I end up like having to pay a dollar.
01:06:33
Okay, next one $2. Coin flip I pay it again. Okay, $5. And you just keep going until eventually the coin flip is in
01:06:39
your direction and you made money and then you leave. As someone who doesn't have to like pay rent through Venmo or anything, yeah, I'm super into this. But
01:06:45
I do think if there was somebody who was significantly like paying their roommate over thou hundreds if not thousands of
01:06:52
dollars, this would be like if you were paying your roommate or paying your rent on Venmo, this would be
01:06:58
a good thing because in theory, 6 months out of the year, you would get your rent paid back. Okay. But if you're the
01:07:03
person collecting or even the roommate who's the one collecting from the other roomates, then this becomes a very
01:07:08
difficult proposition. It's only bad for the people that are actually owed money in real life. Yeah, it's potentially
01:07:14
good for everyone else. I guess it's that's a four. I'll go four on this. I could see how in situations where this
01:07:19
could be like a 15th. All right, so guys, we have three left and it's eight, nine, and 10 is what you have available. I would like to take this moment to publicly apologize to Saurin Iverson
01:07:33
because I don't think I stole any of these ideas from you, but these are all very Saurin Iverson coded things. So, if
01:07:40
I did accidentally have one of your hilarious tweets lodged so deep in my brain that I didn't realize I was
01:07:45
stealing from you, I humbly apologize. And we can't move any of these around, right? No. Anyway, last three. Are you guys ready? Mhm. All right. iPhone 16
01:07:55
Pro Max. Everything is the same. Uh, but it gets really hot all the time. And I don't mean like too hot to touch, but like too hot to handle. Pretty close.
01:08:07
[Music] I think I can work with that. Even if it's in your pocket all the time. If you
01:08:12
put it in a case, what happens? It's just going to melt the case. I'm okay with that. What? Because my phone is
01:08:19
either in my dash for navigating or in like a seat next to me or on my desk. I'm not really holding my phone that
01:08:24
much. If I am. What about when you're using it? Then I'm like, "Okay, it's hot." And then I put it down. It's It's
01:08:30
not too hot to It's almost too hot. It's not It's not like so hot that you touch it, you're like, "Ah." But like, you
01:08:37
would not want to be holding this thing for more than like 2 minutes. How long? 1 minute. 30ish seconds. That's fine.
01:08:43
That's fine. Do we know if it's Put it up in a little stand. You know what I would compare it to? A toaster. You ever made a quesadilla and you're like, I'm
01:08:49
not getting a spatula out. It's not like I'm holding this quesadilla. You're like whipping it over. That's what I would compare. whip it from the pan to the the
01:08:56
plate. Yeah. Or you know the flake. So quesadilla tower. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think I could work with that. Do we know it's it's hot and safe or we don't know why it's getting that hot? I know it's
01:09:07
it's not going to blow up. It's not going to catch up. It's just annoyingly hot. I'm going to say nine. We're only between 8 9 10 and I feel like it's
01:09:14
safe. This one honestly to me is like three or four. So it's not that bad. What? Just don't hold your foot. What
01:09:20
about in your pocket? Put it in your pocket. Unfortunately, are not available. How are you going to bring it anywhere with you? Put it in a bag. Put
01:09:27
it in a sweatshirt pocket. Put it somewhere else. Gloves in the middle of winter. Gloves. Yeah. Excellent. Or in the middle of summer. I mean, eight's
01:09:33
our best option. I think that's an eight. That's fine. All right. Funny that really hot phone is somehow less
01:09:38
desirable. I really think 50/50 coin flip. Ring doorbell. Oh, no. that doubles as one of those old school Amazon buy buttons.
01:09:52
You can set it to whatever product you want, but it must be more than $15. Oh, and it is something that will be shipped to me every time someone comes to your house and rings the doorbell and and
01:10:02
it's not advertised. People don't know they're doing this to you. That's so funny. Okay. My doorbell almost never
01:10:08
gets rung, so this is totally fine with me. Mine's pretty rare. Set it to something. David lives in an apartment
01:10:13
and the buzzer to his door at the front door of his building counts. That's tough. Well, and like you can ring
01:10:21
different apartments, but I have the first apartment on the first floor. And so when delivery people show up for not
01:10:26
me, they always ring my apartment. So you get a lot of buzzes every day. A lot. So you're going to be that's kind
01:10:31
of tough for you. What do you buy a lot of? Guys, Halloween. I get one two a year. Halloween you sit on the porch already for Halloween. put some candy out. They're not going to ring the door.
01:10:43
Where I'm in Brooklyn, nobody knocks on my apartment door. So, yeah. Yeah, there are ways around this. Um, you put a
01:10:49
little uh you put a little doorbell broken postit and say knock instead or something. Oh, something like that. So,
01:10:55
what do I need? Toilet paper for 15 bucks. Yeah, pick something you need once a month. Yeah, but Diet Coke. Mine
01:11:00
gets rung like once a day. Pick something you need. Kodak film. We said there's a minimum value to the purchase.
01:11:06
$15. $15 a day. That's like a meal. Just have it like ship a dinner to you every
01:11:11
day. Just Door Dash delivery. There's dinner waiting for you every day at home. It's not bad cuz somebody rang a
01:11:17
doorbell. But Amazon Amazon is on Fresh. Amazon Fresh. Well, it's between 9 and this is not as bad as some of the others. It's still going to bankrupt me though. Let's be real. 15 bucks a day. But you won't be hungry when you're
01:11:29
getting bankrupt. That's true. I'll say nine. Nine. Yeah. I like how the one that we don't know which could be like
01:11:35
it's your laptop but every time you type on it a puppy appears and you get to pet it and we go like this is the worst
01:11:41
thing on the list. It's iMessage but on Android 10. So I have one in reserve that I was thinking about being like it's books palma 2 but it's a phone. Uh but I you know I don't want to see that
01:11:53
at the bottom of this list. I Yeah, that would have been one for me too much. So instead book two is not even different for the books. I will do this one. I'll
01:11:59
take Uber normal Uber. You are a passenger, not a driver. In this scenario, Mhm. instead of music playing over the car's audio system, it is a LLM
01:12:11
with generated speech telling you and your driver about every embarrassing thing you have ever done. The whole ride is a in fact, we'll say it's a celebrity
01:12:22
of your choice narrating the worst of your life in front of a stranger. We have to do 10 because it's the only thing left, but I would do one really. I
01:12:34
really like telling strangers embarrassing facts about myself. No. Do you want to hear the embarrassing facts about the stranger? About no that would
01:12:42
only happen to hear the driver. It's about you. It's always the pass. It's the the AI is telling the driver
01:12:50
about the passengers. Yeah. Embarrassing. I thought we were hearing both of them. Then they would have to talk to me. the AI. It's the first story
01:12:57
like you get a stranger's car and are just immediately judged. I love that. I would honestly give us a one. Do you remember the you didn't you guys have an Uber driver in Austin that said, "I'm
01:13:08
not your typical Uber driver." And then like raced to the hotel and then Yeah. got to the airport and we made our flight. That's true. Mariah, would you be so kind as to read out our uh list
01:13:24
our our our list of winners? Wow, what a list we have here. We we went through a journey together. By that I mean I
01:13:31
witnessed a journey happen. So number one on your list, we have the iMessage that only allows you to send one syllable messages. That is fine. I think that's a good spot. Yeah, I can send one
01:13:45
word message. And number two on our list, we have the switch to but it's dummy expensive. Tough. That's a tougher
01:13:52
one. Yeah. And then third, you put the email like deletion gamble thing. Just be proactive. Fine with that. And then number four, you guys settled on Venmo 50/50 coin toss if you get paid or not.
01:14:06
I just think that's fun. That's just funny. Yeah. I'm never going to be the one that pays
01:14:11
for dinner, though. They can do that for April Fools. Um, that would be the best April Fool's
01:14:17
tech. Global financial, but it's a prank. It's just a prank. Um, number five, you guys put the Google
01:14:23
Maps car poolool pickup. That one should be a 10, honestly. I think it should be lower. Anxious about it for sure. That
01:14:28
one really stressed you out. Yeah. Um, should be lower. Number six is the awful Spotify song. That should also be really low. Why do we put that at six, dude? We
01:14:40
thought it was going to get worse. I'm the one that suggested. Those are the two worst ones. I suggested six. I regret my decision. It's kind of growing
01:14:46
on me. It won't. Number seven, you guys have the manual operated YouTube crank machine. Maybe that should have been 9 or 10, honestly. Then the really warm phone. Yeah. The number eight, you had
01:15:00
the really warm iPhone. Not too hot, just a little warm. I mean, kind of hot, right? Uh, and then number nine, the
01:15:05
Ring camera that orders stuff from Amazon every time it's pressed. That's also horrible. So, I'm glad that's nine.
01:15:10
And then number 10, you had the embarrassing AI Uber ride. I just did my like, okay, we did the blind rankings.
01:15:16
That was fun. My actual order is number one, the expensive Switch 2. It's going to sting, but it's a onetime thing. Number two is one syllable iMessage. Totally doable. I can I can work with
01:15:27
that. Number three, really warm phone. Just put it down. Number four, what is it? discipline thing is insane. It's just like I I only hold my phone for like typing things like and scrolling.
01:15:37
So, I'll just scroll less and I'll just put on a stand when I need to watch a video. I just don't need to hold my phone that much. Number four is the the
01:15:43
Gmail gambling deletion just like low-key make me more proactive at saving things I need. Fine. Number five, Venmo
01:15:48
50/50. That's starting to get kind of funny, but all right. Interesting. Number six, embarrassing Uber LLM. I you
01:15:54
know, the Uber drivers just want five stars. They're not going to make a big deal about it, but it will be kind of annoying. But you don't have to talk to
01:15:59
them then. Exactly. So, I just sit in the back and they just hear the story and they go, "Oh, that's totally fine, man. Five stars." And I'll be like,
01:16:04
"Yeah, you didn't have to say anything." Unless it's really embarrassing. Number seven, Ring camera doorbell rings. My
01:16:10
doorbell rings not that often, but it would be kind of annoying for that to charge me and send something that I don't need. Number eight, this is where
01:16:17
it gets tough. The Google Maps carpool pickup every time. I I hate this one so much. I just hate this one. Number nine, uh, the Spotify. You can't skip songs and
01:16:30
every third song is that song. I'd rather die. And then number 10 for me is I can't watch YouTube unless I proactively crank a box for the length of that YouTube video. I just would not
01:16:44
be the person I am today. H there's nothing there. You know what's super funny about that is like the meta
01:16:50
right now on YouTube is really long videos that would collapse. Nobody would be making video essays. podcast, you'd
01:16:56
have to sit and it's not possible. All your numbers would skyrocket. That's true. Yeah. So, there that was fun. That
01:17:03
is That's my ranking. Dang. Yeah. I think that's a decent ranking. What's your Just redo your one and 10, dude. My
01:17:09
one and 10. Yeah. All right. Um, my one is definitely the embarrassing Uber. Wow. Yeah, that's crazy. Not even I He's like, "Yeah, actually, one of them is
01:17:21
like just a Nintendo Switch." Yeah, but it's expensive. It's really That's a really expensive one time
01:17:28
switch or a lifetime of LLM is telling people what you did. Lifetime cannot be more expensive than
01:17:35
the Venmo one. Number 10. So, the worst possible one on here. [Music] Um, honestly,
01:17:47
crankable YouTube. I'm against you guys. I would be maybe really warm phone. Really? If it's that hot, dude. Just We're talking about a phone. It's just
01:17:59
over there. I want to hear your using it right now. Can I hear one antenna out of a while using it? You know what?
01:18:06
Actually, never mind. Wait, wait, really quick. Change my not really warm phone because it get my screen time down. That's a good thing. I'm going to go
01:18:12
with crankable YouTube. Okay. Yeah. Do you guys want to participate? No. That's all right. I'm all set. I am very risk averse and I I think the
01:18:23
Venmo thing would drive me crazy. I think I would just stay awake at night. Just never be the person that's like
01:18:28
buying dinner in your or I would just always be like my Venmo would strictly be like I need to pay you for this
01:18:34
singular meal that we're all splitting the bill on. Yeah. I don't know. And it's a $10 swing. I don't want to be
01:18:40
that guy. I don't want to be You know what I mean? I don't want to put my friends in that position. But I don't Oh, I forgot about them.
01:18:48
I want free rent, baby. Like my number one is the Venmo one. Anyway, um I know you guys are probably tired of hearing me talk for the past 40
01:18:59
minutes, but Oh, right. Real trivia. It's time. We have actual trivia. Question number one.
01:19:07
Uh, Beats Cables, they're here. But when Beats was OG Beats back in the day, uh,
01:19:13
they advertised what audio file centered cable company as being their cable supplier. Google Gemini.
01:19:25
Wait, they got rid of Gemini. That was so fast. Oh, wait. Google Assistant's going to be on there
01:19:32
soon. Yeah. Yeah. Google Bard. Oh my god, I forgot about Bard already. Bard. Oh, Project Ara. Wait, what was Bard? That was Gemini before Gemini. Way
01:19:43
better than Gemini. It was the earliest LL. Bard was better as as a name, I think. Oh. Oh, okay. Uh, what do you
01:19:49
guys have? Who wants to read? We literally all We've all written monster. That is Wow. That almost never happens.
01:19:57
A triple. Correct. Wow, that's crazy. Monster know they were an audiocentric. They just I always remember the gold plated goldplated HDMI cables. Yeah. Did they CES once and didn't they have like
01:20:10
uh what like Shack come in or something? I I think they're one of those companies that back in the day cuz they're they're
01:20:16
from the 70s, you know, they've been making cables for a while. Oh, really? Yeah. Um plugged in. All right. Question
01:20:23
number two. Which of the following social media platforms is the oldest? A. No place. a mashup of Twitter and MySpace for Gen Z. B. 10, a
01:20:36
walkietalkie app, sort of like if Snapchat was focused on voice messages. C, Air Chat, another audio focused
01:20:43
social network described as a combination of Twitter and Clubhouse. Or D, Jagot, a location-based social media
01:20:52
platform for real-time tracking. That was timed perfectly. This is We're looking for the oldest one. All right. Who would like to go first?
01:21:03
You two said the same thing. Marquez and I both said D. Jag. Jaget. That unfortunately is incorrect. Jagged is
01:21:08
from March of 2023. That means it's B. I said A. Unfortunately, A is from July of
01:21:15
2024, making it new. We're referencing MySpace in 2024. No place. I went on basically just trying to What was the
01:21:22
oldest company referenced in all of those? It's not a bad strat, but unfortunately the oldest one here is 1010 from September of 2022. Yeah, those
01:21:31
are all very recent. Air chat was like an early last year or late 2023 thing. April 2024. Good job. Yeah. Wow. Everyone jumped on that and they were like maybe and then No. No. No. Anyway,
01:21:44
uh no one got that last question correct, meaning our scores leaving this episode. Andrew, you my friend are
01:21:52
carrying the one with eight points. Marquez, you are in a cool second place with 18 points. Huge. David in the lead with a shocking and intimidating
01:22:06
19 points. Hotter than that phone. Hotter than that phone indeed. Wait, so how is Andrew carrying the one? I have no idea. Uh I I thought that was the way we told And the way we told Andrew like,
01:22:17
"Hey, you're not winning." But no, it used to be because I had one point. Really? I don't remember that. I thought
01:22:23
it was just colloquial. You're doing good, man. Yeah, I thought you were behind by one point. Sorry. Uh I thought
01:22:30
it was Sorry. So anyway, thanks for uh watching and for listening to this doozy of an episode. We we covered quite a bit, of course, from the the elephant in the room, the braided cables, all the
01:22:44
way to the end uh to our favorite game. Let us know if you have any feedback, comments, questions, concerns. Make sure you subscribe, make sure you like, make
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01:22:54
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01:23:00
joining it. So yeah, neither do I. Okay. Oh, and thanks Mariah for being here. Bye. That was Thanks. Bye.
01:23:08
Yeah. Waveform was produced by Ellis Roven and Mariah Zinc. Our intro music was created by Vane Seal and we're part
01:23:13
of Vox Media Podcast Network. That was a different order because it wasn't the same as usual and I can't do things like
01:23:18
that. Bingo. Hm. [Music]