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yo what's up boy for Marquez here back with another pre- podcast intro which I
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think you already know where this is going uh so I'm actually out here in a hotel room this time I'm coming at you
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from uh the 21st floor in Las Vegas for a certain Formula 1 race that's maybe
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happening as you're tuning into this for the first time which is super cool we
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might be working on something around this too wink wink either way this podcast episode you're about to watch
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was recorded again on a Wednesday which means that it was right before we started to fly out on Thursday and as
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we're in the air Apple drops the news kind of a surprising news that they will
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be supporting RCS on the iPhone in 2024 next year we didn't expect this and shocker I think we actually talk about
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it on the podcast how we don't expect this to happen anytime soon but now you
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know this was recorded a little bit before that news dropped but it is really interesting this doesn't
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necessarily solve the blue bubble versus green bubble thing that we've talked
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about so much apple will still clearly prioritize iMessage alongside RCS maybe they'll change the color of
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green bubbles I don't know but what this does mean is uh you can expect when this
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finally launches next year texting between an iPhone and an Android phone to be better it will work over the
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Internet with RCS it will have typing indicators it should have read receipts it should have all this new stuff and I
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think most importantly photos and videos won't look like they're from VHS it will
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actually be high resolution files instead of blurry grainy pixelated messes so all that is coming we didn't
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know that as we recorded this episode so what you're about to watch is us talking
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without that information but figured I'd chime in before the episode that's about
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it for now okay see you on the other side [Music] peace yo what is up people of the
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internet welcome back to another episode of the way for podcast we're your hosts
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I'm Marquez 15% of my diet is chalula and I'm David and that was the Soundbar
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actually Andrew is not actually here yeah I mean yes his diet is mostly chalula but he's he's out uh teaching a
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little one the ways of the chilula I don't know he's a dad he's a dad now so
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he's got to go do dad things and that uh has rightfully meant that he's not here
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today totally fine so now we've done like the whole Trifecta where like you and Andrew hosted one without me and
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then I think me and Andrew hosted one and had trivia questions about you while you weren't here and now it's me and you
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so we probably should have Andrew related trivia questions which would be hilarious yeah anyway uh lot to talk
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about this week we've got a a whole assortment of just sort of uh random but
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All Tech related things yeah that I have thoughts on we all have thoughts on yeah
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we should start um by mentioning that this is not the first episode of the week right yeah we had a bonus episode
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uh S engine mod and the death of the Android ROM long form bonus podcast episode went live on Wednesday if you
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thought that it was Friday on Wednesday it was not it was Wednesday but now it's
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Friday which is a benefit to you so go watch that you haven't already very fun
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episode it's great The Nostalgia was so strong that one I enjoyed it a lot yeah
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um but first yeah oh boy we got audio listeners David is reaching under the table oh my God this is so
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heavy and picking up a briefcase the LG standby me go briefcase monitor that we've been talking about for months it's
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finally here um Jesus is this a gigantic display I mean it's not a huge computer monitor but
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just to have in your briefcase uh yeah this is a tough one for audio listeners but I think I have a
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description yeah it's sort of like a briefcase which inside contains a jumbo
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sized like Google tablet home thing it's 27 in but it's made out of the same
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plastic that airplane cabins are made out of yes now it's vertical now it's vertical
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you can watch Tik toks free form free standing you can play chess it's a touch
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screen yeah does it have a battery in it it does it's currently on battery power
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now yeah it's on battery power right now it lasts about 3 hours how much does it
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weigh 30 pounds it's really that's 75% of the scooter it's very heavy 75% of
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Ender diet is chalula but 70% of uh my strength goes to trying to hold this thing I think that scooter reference
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would go over a lot of people's heads unless they seen the short but we also
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have a briefcase scooter oh yeah at the studio the Honda um Moto compacto yeah so briefcase display briefcase Tech
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briefcase scooter we're off to a hot start yeah we're off to a hot start uh
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this this is just a thing that we figured we'd show you guys that we have yeah when did everyone get together and
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decide that briefcase was the next form factor for techology I'm all for it dude
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I don't know I don't know about you what other things would work in a briefcase
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this should by the way there's enough room for like a computer in there in there behind the display but it's just
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display stand speakers batter and Battery big battery probably interesting yeah yeah so glad we got that in so that
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exists so that exists anyway we have real news coming up another thing that exists yeah is uh this happened right
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after we recorded the last episode this Humane AI pin yes it's finally been unveiled and described and and priced we
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we know what it is now yeah uh so let's let's talk about it I I have some
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thoughts I'm not really sure how many of my thoughts will be nice but we'll see we'll see how far
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we get so okay we we didn't know how much it would be we didn't know what it
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would be but we knew chat we knew Humane AI was going to do some AI related product and we'd seen these teasers this
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like Paris Fashion Week teaser of them wearing this pin this projector that projects something on your hand like
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what's it what it exactly is it is the post smartphone Gadget the first time
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what do we what do we think this thing is so now it comes out it's a Vimeo it's
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a 15minute vimeo video whatever it is so it's the two Founders explaining what
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the product is I'm want to put aside the lack of uh on camera presence because
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not everybody has it it's just you know not everybody has it a lot of other companies have really cringy
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presentations but they gave us a $699 pin with a $24 a month subscription service which gets you a couple things
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T-Mobile service uh title subscription a couple other things also also $7.99 for
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certain colors sorry that's right $699 for the base pin but if you want the white one or if you want a certain com
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combo of I guess it's like like silver or uh Chrome and black chrome and black
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which by the way chrom on technology is just a terrible idea yeah but that that's an extra set that's an extra $100
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jeez uh it's got a 13 megapixel camera that faces forward uh it's got a battery
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inside it's got a microphone inside and it basically has a large enough speaker
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and enough storage and processing power to run a local AI model primarily powered by chat GPT 4 and uh that's
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basically what you are mostly interacting with when using SL wearing this pin yeah and then there's a
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projector on the front where if you hold your hand up this is going to be weird again for audio listeners but you hold
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your hand up right in front of your chest it will project that UI onto your hand and then you can interact with the
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projection so by moving your hand closing and opening your hand you're selecting things and scrolling through
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things that's the basic premise yeah it's an AI assistant that you wear and
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interact with and pay constantly for yeah yeah so the way that they the way you actually like charge it is that and
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that you wear it they call it the Perpetual power system which stands for a magnet that has a battery in it yeah
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you get kind of clever with this yeah it's kind of the same way how you see like earbuds are like oh this has a 40h
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hour battery life but obviously you can't wear them for 40 hours straight it's actually that the battery in the
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earbuds is 4 hours and when you put them back in the case you can charge them back up and use them for four four more
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hours and put them back but you also with this AI pin I guess you don't want
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to take it off yeah uh so you have some way of charging it while you're wearing
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it yeah that's how it gets that's how it goes on your clothing in the first place
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is that uses a magnet between your clothes um but that magnet also wirelessly charges the device cool so
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and more power yeah clever um it's basically like a AI system that is rting you to other AIS that's sort of how
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they're they're describing it um you interact with it with natural language
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and with like tapping and stuff and then depending on your query it will route you to the right AI platform to do
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various things uh in their presentation they got a lot of things incorrect because of the hallucinate
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hallucination problem with AIS so they both um held out a small handful of almonds and asked how much
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protein was in the almonds and it uses the camera because it can use the camera to like look at things around you it can
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use the speakers to listen to things around you and it's supposed to be able
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to analyze all this information it looked at like five almonds that was in this guy's hand and it said there were
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15 grams of protein in it J and then it added it to this like I don't know this
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daily protein log that you can access via web app there's this weird there's a
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web portal there's a web portal interface that you can use to access all your Humane information and for some
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reason they want you to track all of the food that you eat by like taking photos
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of it and it's supposed to analyze that and then put that information into this
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web portal mhm uh anyway a small handful of almonds does not have 15 Gams of protein that would be sick if it did
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though I would love that it has like two grams of protein um and a lot of people
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are going online being like that is completely incorrect um and I think the the GPT was basically accessing the data
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of how much a cup of almonds would have something like that uh the other thing is he asked it when the next total solar
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eclipse was going to be and where the best place to watch it would be and he said it would be in April and the best
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place to watch it was Australia a lot of people came out being like no you actually can't even see it in Australia
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you can only see it in North America so yeah because these large language models are sort of just pred
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predicting the next most like likely word um you're not always going to get accurate information
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and if you are using a device that has no screen and that you're just supposed
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to be using ambiently like getting incorrect information like all the time is probably not the best not great yeah
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I guess now that I've seen the announcement I was we were kind of wondering what it would be but now that
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we've seen it I feel like I have two main thoughts on itain human two main two main Humane thoughts two main Humane
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thoughts one is you know I see the videos but I haven't tried it and this gadget has the potential to be a really
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big or really small gap between how I think it's going to go and how it could
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actually go totally like I I am watching these videos I'm like this does not seem
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great like I don't believe that a projector onto my hand is going to be great UI is it going to track my hand
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around when I move or do I have to have my hand in the perfect place is it going
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to Sag on my clothes because the weight of the pin and the computer and the battery is too much and the material do
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I have to put my hand in a certain spot when I'm outside and it's sunny is that
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going to even show up on my hand at all uh if my skin color on my hand is different from normal is that going to
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work if I don't have a hand how's accessibility for that all those questions are real and then the actual
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interacting with the the AI thing like I want it to be cool but I just I have my
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doubts so this could turn out to be just as bad as I think or it could totally blow my mind yeah my other thought is if
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you zoom out a lot I think the idea of an AI assistant that you kind of just ambiently have around you is is a cool
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idea and I wonder if we're going to feel like this is something that's ahead of
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its time because the tech just isn't good enough to accomplish that yet but if you think about it you already sort
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of have an AI assistant around you in like your Apple watch or Siri and your headphones I guess I just mean the
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natural way of interacting with an invisible assistant like we have the r the ray band smart glasses which have a
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language model in them and there's a camera on the front of them they kind of
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have this similar potential where it's like I'm just walking around looking
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like a normal person and to an invisible person I will just ask my assistant how
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to fix the broken sink in front of me right and it will tell me how to fix it yeah because it's a smart invisible
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assistant that nobody else has access to but it's personalized to me that's sick
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if it works but the tech is so young that right now it kind of doesn't work and I feel like this pin is the same way
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where like the idea I love the idea of like having a plate of food in front of me and being like log my macros and it
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just does it like I've wanted to log macros even in an app manually for years
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and it sucks like my fitness palu it's horrible every if your food doesn't have
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a barcode like good luck yeah so the idea of just having it intelligently look at the food and figure out it's
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cool but like the tech is not that good yet like how how was the Stak actually cooked or were the fries deep fried or
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is it just like potato wedges like what is what is in front of you it's like
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really hard since there's no way to like interact with the display or anything
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you're not actually sure what information it's logging and then you look at your like macros later in the
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day and it you just have no way to authenticate that information yeah yeah I think that Google Glass was like 15
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years too early yeah and probably more yeah probably more probably 20 to 25 years too early and if uh you know that
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seems like it would be a better use case than this Humane thing I think that they
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wanted to avoid smart glasses because you kind of look like a glasshole uh quote unquote if you're wearing smart
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glasses unless they're sunglasses which people AR used to seeing now you're
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going to be a pinhole yeah or uh um or if you have a prescription and you just have smart
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glasses but with a prescription then you wouldn't be able to notice yeah the pin
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is kind of a weird thing and I think that they're trying to make it like it's
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sort of fashion but it's not necessarily making it look like it's AI um their
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angle internally could just be like not everybody can wear glasses all the time but anyone can wear a pin all the time
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yeah the weird thing too is they showed the pin attached to like a handbag they're like you can wear it anywhere
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you could put on your purse you could put it on this the projector thing won't
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work exactly okay and then I just I didn't even realize that that's a great
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Point yeah like if it's on your handbag the projector won't work and then you'd
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have to you'd have to bring it up to your mouth if you wanted to talk to it it's supposed to have these beam forming
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speakers that make it like sound like you only you can hear it but yeah I don't know no the I mean I haven't I
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want to hear it when we get it or if we get it obviously but there are other examples of that that work really well
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like the bow things yeah those are really good incred yeah there are little there are little slices of technology
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that kind of work already for some of the applications of this and that's one
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of them like some of the audio tricks that it can play on you can work really well that's cool even occasionally just
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asking the GPT model probably basic questions there's probably one or two use cases where you're just walking
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around some random Park and you get to a landmark and it's a statue in front of
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you and you just tap the thing you're like what is that and it tells you and
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you're like holy that's awesome this Tech works really well there will probably be little slices of that that
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make you believe that this is the future but today for 700 bucks and 24 bucks a month that's a tough sell yeah I got to
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say it feels like a tough sell I do want to try it I did buy one oh I probably shouldn't say that so they don't like
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treat my order special or something I don't know it might not matter I don't
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think it'll matter I ordered one I don't even know when it's going to come out
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you can pre-order it now but they don't have like a release date which that's a
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really good point you know maybe it'll be the Roadster situation again so you
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guys think that the demo was real cuz you're saying like the peanut in the hand thing like cuz to me when I watch
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those demos I assume it's all like made in post yeah it should have been it's clear real cuz they've messed
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it up it's a it's a fair question I think if you uh I would guess that they're actually real I think a lot of
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them they take the pride in like the we came from Apple thing and apple always does real demos and they and Google
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always does real demos and I think certain companies like proud of always doing real demos yeah so yeah they could
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have done a pre-recorded thing but I think in order to feel like you're not lying to the public and the tech
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actually works I want to believe that those are real demos I I mean if they weren't real demos they probably would
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have gotten the information correct well I don't know I I assumed that when everything was getting like when it was
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going around on Twitter that certain things were wrong or an X excuse me I assumed it was like a copy editor that
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like missed a fact or something I don't think so and that sounds like a GPT mistake to me it does but that assumes
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that the demo was live and accurate which I never assumed yeah for like the pre-recorded stuff but I'm not sure
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that's what I'm asking the funny thing is they issued this uh this note when
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everyone was talking about how everything was incorrect about it and they were like
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uh that was a bug and we're working on fixing it it's like you can't fix the
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way Transformer models work it's not a bug like watch me it's chat GPT like you
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can't just fix chat GPT yeah interesting so there's been a lot of hype around
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this company for a very long time specifically because of their um you know two people that worked on worked at
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Apple worked on the original iPhone interface Dream Team yeah kind of this dream team scenario type thing but um
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it'll be fun to watch the reviews of those go live when they eventually do yeah but until then we don't really know
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much and they only showed demos to like a couple of journalists uh and none of those journalists were very impressed
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with it interesting wer you even allowed to use it did they ever yeah that's the
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main question they were allowed to see it being used that's tough cuz you know
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how Apple Vision Pro like a red flag yeah I was going to say apple Vision Pro we also aren't able to shoot any videos
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of our demos but we did try the thing to it instead of watching someone use the thing you know so that's like a separate
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layer of like okay this is probably real uh so if no one's gotten to use it yet
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yeah that just makes me really pre-orders but no one could actually use it yet is just a huge red flag to me
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yeah they did get a lot of money out of me for not using it assuming the demo from the keynote if you want to call it
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that like was real one thing that it far exceeded my expectations in is uh something called keystoning with a
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projector which is where when you're projecting onto a surface that not perpendicular with the plane of the lens
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different parts of the image both focus and size because the different parts of the image have to travel different
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distances to the lens and you can see the keystoning chasing his hand moving and
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changing angle processing power it's a ton of processing power cuz um and there's there's a lot of really
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interesting grad student papers on the most efficient way to do this and stuff like that but just like watching it sort
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of Chase the plane around from just a projector point of view I'm like pretty
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cool pretty pretty good assuming it's real assuming that's not something a
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computer Rend yeah we did have one projector that we did in a dope Tech video a couple
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years ago at this point but it it did it really well and live and it it also made
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it a touch surface so it was responding to what it saw in reflection yeah the the nebula series of projectors do this
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pretty well and and so does the Samsung the Samsung the freestyle that's the
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full name of it but those all sort of like you move and then they go like oh I see that you changed one sec yep and but
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this is like because the projector to be yeah I think those might be those might
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have a built-in delay on purpose where if like someone walks in front of the wall you don't want it to immediately
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mess with the video so it's like let me just check are you sure you're going to
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you're going to keep it's going to stay okay let me change it yeah so that could
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be really cool hey I'm I'm fascinated by this yeah I I will say that uh in a lot
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of the PE like they and a lot of the people that were wearing it it looked like it was sagging their clothes quite
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a bit I think that might be the most underrated light it's not super light yeah especially with the battery it's
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it's also metal right yeah it's got to be heavy yeah and yeah so anyway that'll
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be interesting um we can't really comment on it much until we actually get a thing in I don't even know when we
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will but we'll make sure to we'll keep you guys posted we figure out anything
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yeah um something else that's also not coming out for a minute to the public
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but that we did get to try well technically it comes out today oh yeah okay as of recording or as of as of uh
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right now as of publishing okay so nothing bringing iMessage kind of to the phone 2
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specifically for some reason okay so this is a this is a whole thing it's very interesting it's like this nothing
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company is willing to try some stuff you know yeah they're willing to try some
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stuff so I kind of set the table with this video and I made the whole video about it if you want to watch it it's on
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YouTube it's on X um it's if you're a company trying to break out and and make
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a new smartphone and gather market share and grow sales around the world you can
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kind of follow a pretty reasonably predictable approach and start to do that maybe you differentiate with price
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or specs or design Carl P has done it before with OnePlus right man but there's something about the US where you
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kind of have to do certain things to break out like you need to be in carrier stores to pass M 2% market share you
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just can't get people like there's not enough Enthusiast to buy your phone
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online you need a carrier deal and what you also need is to compete against the iPhone and actually get people to switch
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from the iPhone which is a staggeringly dominant phone in the US like shockingly
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so and I talk about this in the video like everybody in every other country is like this is so dumb like you guys why
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do you even use iMessage like nobody even uses what bothers with the default texting app where I come from and that's
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totally fair uh so I always have to explain yeah in the US people just open the texting app and text each other yeah
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and on on the iPhone that's iMessage and there's enough of a process built in
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where Apple realizes that they can lock people into the iPhone with it and most people that use iMessage or um just the
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Apple messages app on their iPhone don't realize that it's like that iMessage is
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not the app the app is Apple messages iMessage is a protocol that gets used between iPhones but it has SMS fallback
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so people are not used to realizing oh this is like an an internet-based chat service whereas regular SMS is just
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regular SMS yeah and get really thrown off yeah all they really realize is this works good when my friend has an iPhone
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and this works way worse when my friend doesn't have an iPhone yeah so that pressure is real so if you're a new
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startup company trying to sell a phone in the US you're going to be up against
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people who are like eh I don't really want a phone that can't work with imessage yeah
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so's genius idea is to literally just try to offer iMessage for Android and the way they did this was they
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collaborated with Sunbird there's a couple companies we've talked about that
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are kind of doing this in some way but Sunbird is one of them that is offering a iMessage pass through service that
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will give you some of the features of iMessage on an Android phone so that if your iPhone friend texts you it's going
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to show up as a blue bubble to them if you all send messages with pictures back and forth it'll be high resolution
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typing indicators reactions Etc and all of that seems kind of cool but you should also know that you are
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signing in with your Apple ID and just giving it to a third party yeah like I I don't know how else to
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explain it like you're signing in you're you're typing your username and password
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your Apple ID into a ma Min in the middle of nowhere into well into an app that is not apple and that's totally
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cool you can do that but that just means that they're going to get your information and they've actually broken
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down what they're going to do to try to mitigate all the possible security concerns they don't want to ever store
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your login information they don't want to ever store your messages everything
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should be encrypted but I just you kind of you have to know that that's what's
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happening and there's that risk right and so that's it's out there now they're
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going to it's I guess today start offering that um for nothing phone 2 users I don't know that it's going to
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work meaning I don't know that it's going to get people to to go ah I was
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going to get an iPhone but now I'll get this one did you watch the nothing video
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that they put out about it I did yeah so they said that most of their nothing customers own like ear sticks or ear
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ones or ear twos or whatever and that they most of those people own iPhones yeah so they were like why are we
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selling these cool headphones but why aren't we selling more phones so they did a bunch of market research and it's
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not hard to deduce that iMessage is like one of the main reasons in the United States why people won't switch off the
00:26:12
iPhone so they thought what if we could just put iMessage on an Android phone and uh they say in the video we made an
00:26:20
app they didn't make this app Sunbird made the app they put a skin on it it's
00:26:24
a skin version of Sunbird it's a nothing skin yeah yeah so it it worked for me it
00:26:30
was a little slow a little janky sometimes uh it's it's not as smooth there animations that don't look amazing
00:26:37
like when I when I get a new image I have to download it to view the full reses version but like it's it's working
00:26:43
and it shows up as a blue bubble to the iPhone so there's that um but yeah it is
00:26:48
like a it's a weird thing that only this company would probably try right now
00:26:54
yeah it's it's kind of crazy that they're willing to do this um I know
00:26:57
that nothing doesn't have a lot to lose Sunbird kind of has a lot to lose but
00:27:00
also Sunbird still hasn't come out of like of like super closed down beta uh
00:27:06
whereas beeper is like pretty much out there for everybody I've talked to people from Sunbird and beeper and
00:27:11
they've said that they're not they feel like this is the perfect time to do it
00:27:15
because with Apple and Google being put under so much regulatory antitrust scrutiny they feel like if Apple just
00:27:21
like turned a switch that was like you and made it not possible to do this then they would get like in a lot of trouble
00:27:27
yeah so I still don't really feel like it's going to last a really long time um
00:27:34
I was trying to figure that out I don't based on my understanding of how this
00:27:38
works I don't know that Apple could decide I mean maybe I don't know exactly
00:27:43
how it works but could they actually shut this down they could probably figure out a way to not make yeah to
00:27:47
make it not work like if you're um I don't know if the Mac that you're
00:27:51
associating your iMessage account with is in a different country to the one that you're in currently then it'd have
00:27:57
to run through VPN yeah I don't know they could they could do a lot of like we're not actually shutting it down but
00:28:03
we're making it way harder kind of things so nothing told me that their Mac minis are going to be in whatever region
00:28:09
you're in so there are a bunch of different Mac Mini Server Farms whatever in different locations it'll probably be
00:28:15
in your region and as far as I can tell it's just routing through your computer
00:28:21
the way any other iMessage would yeah so it would be up to Apple to detect somehow that this is one of the specific
00:28:30
Mac minis or VMS or whatever that they don't want to use it just it seems like
00:28:35
harder than expected to shut it down I think they're just going to do nothing
00:28:39
nothing literally nothing it's a pun sorry I didn't want to make a pun today
00:28:42
but just came out sorry but yeah I I don't think they're going to do anything
00:28:46
yeah probably true probably true I don't know there this is spurring another
00:28:50
conversation all over social media and I think this conversation gets spurred like twice a year at least just about uh
00:28:56
iMessages like hold and like should we just have an open protocol that everyone should use or a hot take I was seeing on
00:29:03
Twitter a lot yesterday was people were saying Apple should just be forced to put iMessage on Android because that way
00:29:09
like they're not necessarily being forced to open up their proprietary protocol forced to put iMessage on
00:29:15
Android yeah but they're allowing other people to use their service which is
00:29:20
arguably a better service than most than a lot of other messaging protocols yeah
00:29:25
and if Apple was just forced to put iMessage on Android then they're still getting all the traffic and they've
00:29:30
almost put iMessage on Android many times there were like a bunch of leaked documents where they were going to do it
00:29:35
and they were like you know I feel like this is the only reason people are staying on the iPhone yeah like like
00:29:41
Phil Schiller and like all all these upper manager dudes they definitely have an Android iMessage app just waiting on
00:29:48
ice for whenever it has to go out it's ready I I think that they'd probably
00:29:52
have to figure out another Monet monetization strategy for it though if they were to add that many more users
00:29:58
cuz they would they would literally like the amount of users they'd add if it got
00:30:02
added to Android not just because of the US but because of the entire world would
00:30:06
be so high that their server cost would just explode so they'd have to figure
00:30:09
out a a better monetization strategy for the couch cushions for some change over
00:30:14
there at Al par yeah yeah so I just I found the comments on the video really funny which is every time this happens
00:30:21
there's tons of comments about in the country I live in here's what it's like
00:30:25
it's like we know I've told this by you guys a bazillion times we know seven out
00:30:30
of 10 comments are like in my country most people don't use the iPhone because
00:30:33
everyone uses WhatsApp so we're all just competing on hardware and the iPhone's
00:30:36
not that competitive with Hardware I found one really interesting uh they said in Japan a lot of people use
00:30:43
iPhones but they all still use WhatsApp on the iPhone that's amazing which is
00:30:48
like golden golden wow wow perfect scenario Japan reign supreme once we50 over there yeah yeah yeah seriously so
00:30:56
yeah that happened this week it's out if you have nothing phone 2 you know you've
00:31:00
heard all of our red flag warnings so we can't say we didn't warn you but you can
00:31:04
try it it's kind of a bummer they're only putting this on nothing phone 2 and
00:31:08
a lot of people were upset that bought nothing phone ones CU a lot of people didn't feel like it was worth to upgrade
00:31:12
to the phone 2 from the phone one why wouldn't it work with the phone one I it's not that it can't it's I think it's
00:31:17
just that they they want people to buy phone 2s they probably aren't moving enough phone 2 units it's like how Apple
00:31:23
released the M3 because like they sold no M2 devices you know I was going to say are there any like do we know
00:31:29
anything technical about how this app works Sunbird it works on all of my Android phones that I've used how does
00:31:34
Sunbird work Sunbird works by um cuz beeper was like an open source protocol remember like what is Sunbird you doing
00:31:42
Sunbird is just a closed Source protocol so it's just their protocol version of
00:31:45
beeper yeah interesting uh so there's no like technical as far as we know technical reason why you can't run on a
00:31:51
phone one I think you could run Sunbird today in beta on a phone one yeah yeah I
00:31:56
mean I I I didn't get official access to Sunbird I got the APK who and then I
00:32:02
just Sid loaded it onto my phone DAV David don't admit that that's not illegal sneaky side side load wow that's
00:32:08
sort of a S engine mod throwback anyway yeah well yeah it's out there yeah so if
00:32:14
you got a phone to try it out if you uh have any other phone try it out grab an APK let us know how it works
00:32:21
I have us you could get the APK for this yeah maybe yeah the nothing one yeah I have used both beeper and Sunbird and I
00:32:28
think that Sunbird looks a little bit better but it has less functionality than Bieber right now so but does that
00:32:33
even matter if it's nothing skinned yeah it looks fine it looks like a nothing app yeah it's called Nothing
00:32:41
chat oh the benefit of it though is that it'll detect whether or not you're uh
00:32:46
texting in another Android User or an iMessage user and if you're texting Android User it goes through RCS if you
00:32:51
text an an iPhone user it goes through iMessage so that's a benefit it doesn't
00:32:56
just fall back to everything is encrypted yeah wow everything's encrypted wouldn't that be
00:33:00
the perfect 2050 world we could live in yeah anyway let's kick it to trivia and
00:33:06
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stories for you here today the first one being that we finally found out how much
00:35:42
Google pays Apple to be the default search engine on uh Safari I have a hot take about this oh do you want to do you
00:35:50
want to disclose uh first tell us how much you're spending okay so it's always
00:35:54
been known that Google pays Apple a lot lot of money to be the default search engine on the iPhone yeah um and that's
00:36:02
sort of a way that a lot of browsers make money now is sort of like a ransom thing they're like hey we could make
00:36:08
Bing the default search and and Google goes no you know all these things so uh during this antitrust trial uh it was
00:36:17
Google versus epic because we already did appic Apple versus epic and now we're doing Google versus epic I guess
00:36:24
it came out that they pay Apple 36% of search ad Revenue uh to use Safari or to be the default search engine on Safari
00:36:33
which is a lot so what you're saying is app Google makes all of their search
00:36:38
engine revenue and then they take 36% of what they make and specifically on Safari of what they make on Safari and
00:36:46
give it to Apple to remain the default search engine for when you just type a phrase into the search box yeah that's a
00:36:52
lot yeah that's a lot it's also kind of a situation where it's like it's only a
00:36:56
lot because they are the default and so that 36% means is is a lot of money because they are the default if they
00:37:03
weren't the default that 36% would not really be that much yeah yeah ready for
00:37:08
my hot take I'm ready it's all wasted money do not pay them a dime there's no
00:37:14
way Google switches it to or apple switches it to Bing to Bing Apple would switch to Bing I wonder about this a lot
00:37:24
no way I've seen that hot take on the internet quite a bit um I don't know if that many regular
00:37:31
users would be able to like tell the difference or be pissed off that they're
00:37:35
using Bing I think if one day you typed a phrase into the search box in Safari and it pulled up a Bing search result
00:37:43
the entire internet would lose its Collective Minds even regular people yeah not just nerds I think I think it
00:37:49
would spill over pretty fast that is definitely a hot take CU I disagree hard way really I think that the same way
00:37:55
everyone knows that Siri kind of sucks the same way everyone knows Bing kind of sucks but do regular people know that
00:38:02
Siri kind of sucks I think so the thing is with search the more people they get making searches the better the product
00:38:09
gets so if you make Bing the search engine for like a month it'll eventually
00:38:14
be fine that's you would think that's true but it didn't work with Siri it's
00:38:19
not 100% that way though it's not like a learning model where it just gets way
00:38:23
better way like automatically would they like okay let's say theoretically hypothetically yeah Google stops paying
00:38:30
today uhhuh do you think there's a path where Apple goes okay we need to because
00:38:35
also if you switch it to Bing that assumes Microsoft is now paying yeah what if Microsoft Apple
00:38:43
needs to go to somebody and be like yeah give us want to pay us and how much do you want to pay yeah so Microsoft
00:38:49
currently not paying Google decides we're not going to pay anymore who are they going to switch it to if they don't
00:38:56
have a default willing to pay they going to switch it to Bing and just give it to
00:39:00
them for free that would be if nobody was willing to pay though yeah yeah because I mean there's this whole
00:39:05
antitrust conversation going on with Google Google's being sued by the federal government about whether or not
00:39:10
they should even legally be allowed to pay off people like apple to be the default um I honestly I feel like if you
00:39:21
couldn't do that Apple would just Implement a thing when you set up Safari for the first time that would say what's
00:39:26
search engine do you want to use and I agree with you that probably 98% of people would pick Google search cuz like
00:39:32
why would you just pick why wouldn't Apple make their own I mean they could they probably have it ready they just
00:39:37
like they have iMessage on speculated for a while they almost definitely do but if they make 23% of or 36% of all
00:39:44
Google Revenue it's probably in their best interest to just use use that as like a so this is interesting generator
00:39:50
right yeah on one hand you you like the money you're Apple you should make a lot
00:39:56
of money yeah but on the other they have been known to like take big leaps to like for some of that default like when
00:40:03
like switching from Intel to Apple silicon they kind of took that leap not that intel was paying them or whatever
00:40:09
but they took that leap to go from the easy default to making their own thing and that made it better over time and
00:40:16
they have not made the leap to to serving their own search engine ever yeah and I think there's a probably a
00:40:22
pretty good reason for that which is it's probably harder than they think and
00:40:25
you need a lot lot of volume a lot of business a lot of things to work for a search in to be good one thing too is
00:40:30
that apple is like one of the only companies that does not make nearly as much money selling your data like apple
00:40:38
makes most of its revenue on hardware and services um but almost every single other tech company sells data to make
00:40:45
most of its money and so a search engine for them is not that useful right because a search engine is mostly
00:40:50
tracking your habits it's mostly tracking what websites you're going to and if apple is keeping that super
00:40:55
private on device cuz that's their whole thing that's their whole shtick then
00:40:59
like what's the value of that to them if they could just like point a gun at your
00:41:02
head and say give us 30 36% of all revenue or we literally like pull the bottom out from under you I feel like
00:41:08
that's a much better Revenue generator from them in the long term I think their
00:41:11
only argument would be we can just make it a better product like we can we can deliver the search engine that the world
00:41:17
wants which doesn't sell all of your information but learns from all of your
00:41:22
searches and can give you better features that work for you that's true thearch they would have to really really
00:41:28
really assume that that would be a selling point for people yeah yeah they just have to look at how many people use
00:41:34
ala Vista today and assume that they can get that amount of people to switch yeah
00:41:39
yeah yeah yeah I mean it'll be interesting to see what happens if uh this trial goes through and or if the
00:41:45
federal government wins this case I don't think they will um following the case they've been they've made a lot of
00:41:50
bad uh bad cases but if they did it would be really interesting to see what would happen I think that I don't I
00:41:57
personally don't think that Apple would make their own search engine because
00:42:00
it's just a huge overhead for like not a lot of benefit especially when Google is
00:42:04
so far ahead of everybody else that the quality of Google search kind of directly affects the way that people see
00:42:11
Safari right because if the the number one thing you probably do on your browser is search something then Google
00:42:18
is kind of like lifting up all the other browsers in a way dang yeah have you guys used Yahoo search in the past few
00:42:25
years it is literally Microsoft Bing backend with a Google clone skin on top I didn't
00:42:35
I didn't know still exist the only thing I've used Yahoo search for is finance
00:42:39
it's funny like if you go into Yahoo and you like search a sports team it'll
00:42:43
present it in like the exact same format it lit looks exactly like I they even have the the 3X3 grid for all their
00:42:51
different y Chang the font isn't that just the Google search bar so look you
00:42:56
you know maybe if Yahoo was willing to do a little bit of a discount Apple could kind of do a SE little wow wow
00:43:03
look there's a little browser for all of your yaps oh my God is that what they
00:43:07
call it that's what I I just made that up yeah what is that all sights this is
00:43:11
literally the way that Gmail looks oh sorry yeah you're yikes that's literally
00:43:15
the way that Google search wow that's insane I didn't even know that that's
00:43:19
wild damn okay good for Yahoo good for Yahoo um yeah so I mean that's always been like a black box so
00:43:28
it's interesting to know that information now there was a funny little blurb that was like when the uh Google
00:43:34
engineer like let out that information his manager who was sitting sitting like behind him visibly cringed CU apparently
00:43:41
he was not supposed to say that oh no yeah but he kind of got forced to so and now we all know 26.3 billion now the
00:43:49
waveform Pod knows we all know you've been spending a lot of money yeah cool
00:43:55
yeah all right all right um next topic we didn't really mention last week but
00:44:00
there was an open AI Dev day that I watched uh last week their first developer day I tried bro I really tried
00:44:07
to watch it yeah it was so cra I mean I watched it for the first half hour um they tried to do a live like live demos
00:44:14
and stuff and it felt a lot like a Microsoft keynote and it kind of was a Microsoft keynote because SAA came out
00:44:20
and you know I don't know opening ey is kind of a Microsoft company now to be
00:44:24
honest uh the wing yeah yeah so they announced a few new products they announced this thing called gp4 turbo
00:44:32
whoa yeah um which makes the context window for tokens much longer so you can import like an entire research paper
00:44:39
instead of just you know writing a few words say tell it to me like this based on you know this information so yeah you
00:44:47
can like Drop in all this stuff um it moves the up toate information to April 2023 because before it was really behind
00:44:54
and they made a note that they never want to be able to fall that far back again with the training
00:44:59
data uh it is also way cheaper than regular gtp4 was so it's a lot easier for people to use at scale and then
00:45:07
they're also offering gpg 3.5 for people for way way way way cheaper um so I
00:45:13
guess small businesses can start to use this without it bankrupting them uh and then the biggest news probably was that
00:45:19
they are letting you make your own individualized chatbot with something called gpts so in instead of having uh just
00:45:27
chat GPT where you say you are my math teacher do XYZ you can make a GPT called math teacher AI MH and this kind of
00:45:37
bankrupts like a lot of startup companies that were just using gp4 as a back end but we're spinning it up yeah
00:45:43
as a rapper because now you can just make this yourself um for free and you can feed it you can say you you train it
00:45:51
by typing into GPT for what you want it to be be and then it just becomes this Persona
00:45:59
effectively yeah that is pretty sick that also definitely ruined a lot of pitch teexs yes a lot of pitch teexs a
00:46:06
lot of pitch teexs love um they're also going to have a store where you can download and sell gpts I guess if you
00:46:13
like work on making them specific and interesting that's what I'm most excited
00:46:17
for the store people are going to make some awesome stuff yeah guarante it's
00:46:20
going to be fun to like look at that um how long until we have one for the waveform Pod someone's going to already
00:46:26
is one should look it up wa for GPT they have some they introduced something called copyright Shield which is
00:46:32
interesting where basically like if you're using uh chat jpt or like if you have a jpt or using your business and
00:46:39
you get sued for copyright infringement uh open I will pay your legal bills which is a whole like very sketch
00:46:47
it feels very similar to when Elon was like if you get fired over saying Free Speech things on X we will pay your
00:46:54
legal bills even though didn't actually mean that um and they still have a 100
00:47:00
million weekly active users which is crazy because before threads they were the fastest application to 100
00:47:08
million users um but they have that many weekly now oh I forgot thread's got that
00:47:13
in like five days or something yeah wow 100 million weekly that was kind of the the whole
00:47:19
conference there are we all are we all weekly active users of GPT I use it every week for sure yeah I'd say so yeah
00:47:27
no am I the only one saying no I Marquez you use it every every week every week yeah what do you do when you get
00:47:34
lonely I look in the mirror and weep by myself I actually I am surpris I have asked it for uh kind of advice on both
00:47:42
advice and for just information on things that it's extremely F hard to find on the internet and that there's
00:47:48
only a few resources for on the internet and it gives you like a much more concise much better put together list of
00:47:57
things you should do about certain topics um I don't know I just I think that it might become more useful for me
00:48:03
as this like store comes out but as it is right now I just don't find it that
00:48:07
useful I understand that for I understand that I'm only using it more because I decided to pay for a month of
00:48:13
the premium model but also for work purposes you were like I want to try this to like be on top of just want to
00:48:17
try it and see how it see how it works out I don't know if I'm going to keep
00:48:20
paying for it um because the free model is already pretty good but yeah how much
00:48:25
how much is gbt for Turbo Turbo is for businesses I believe I'm I'm a business
00:48:31
oh you true true I'm not a businessman I'm a business I think it's one cent let
00:48:35
me handle my business I think it's like 1 cent per thousand tokens is that yeah
00:48:41
isn't it crazy that one company makes chat GPT LinkedIn and World of Warcraft
00:48:49
wait one of these things is not like the other it's all Microsoft Microsoft technically owns Activision blue blizard
00:48:55
which makes World of Warcraft they own LinkedIn and they well they don't own
00:49:00
open AI but they like they are heavy investors to the point where you might as well consider them one and the same
00:49:07
SAA is at the event yeah so turbo is 1 cent per thousand tokens U it used to be three cents per thousand with regular
00:49:16
GPT 4 is a th I don't know what a th tokens gets me though a token is a is a
00:49:23
word okay yeah so a generated word okay yeah I'm interested yeah I want the turbo shocker yeah uh okay yeah that's
00:49:33
super cool I'm probably going to continue yeah I use a weekly mostly for like some of the brainstorming stuff
00:49:38
that we talked about but also like you said some of the super Niche extremely instructive specific things that you can
00:49:43
only find if you just have it summarize a bunch of stuff for you on the internet
00:49:46
so yeah yeah yeah we should talk about the other thing listed here though okay steam deck OLED yeah okay steam deck
00:49:53
OLED also got aoun anounced uh there's a Dave 2D video about it there's also new
00:49:58
information so if you're interested steam deck OLED is a real thing it is a new HDR OLED display with smaller bezels
00:50:05
than the original steam deck it is brighter now it'll do 1,000 nits uh 600 nits for SDR content 1,000 nits for HDR
00:50:13
it is now 90 Herz that's my biggest I was going to say I think that's one of
00:50:17
the biggest deals as far as what regular people will notice it's absolutely the
00:50:20
brightness but what will I appreciate 90 HZ yes please um bigger faster SD I mean
00:50:26
there big Hardware spec improvements on the inside 3 to 12h hour battery life coded versus the previous 2 to8 battery
00:50:32
uh 2 to 8 Hour battery life it's a little lighter 30 G lighter and it's a
00:50:36
quieter fan and there's a little bit more of a transparent design M $549 for the ultimate airplane seatback
00:50:44
gaming console I think it's great I am I'm a fan of a great display so this is
00:50:49
pretty much exactly what Nintendo did with the switch OLED yeah they just updated they made it a bigger brighter
00:50:56
better screen uh the battery life is a little bit better and uh they just started selling it can't go wrong yeah
00:51:03
so I think that I think that was a good idea right before the holidays too yeah really getting people's stocking
00:51:08
stuffers going if you're really generous yeah they fixed a lot of the problems
00:51:12
the original one had which was great um the fan had this like crazy coil wine issue that people were having and dbrand
00:51:19
had to like issue a a bunch of new cases for everybody because it was like stopping the intake and making the coil
00:51:25
the fan like wine a ton um so that apparently still works with it because the the body of the hardware is exactly
00:51:31
the same they were just able to shrink the bezels yeah so the screen's a lot
00:51:35
better uh and they Shrunk the node size of the Apu in it which is what increases
00:51:39
the battery life and you get a couple of extra frames of performance it's a whole
00:51:42
spec bump yeah it's technically new faster SSD it's technically the exact
00:51:47
same um CPU and GPU but they they did a node shrink interesting so it's not the same
00:51:54
it's not the same same but it's more efficient yeah yeah it's more efficient
00:51:58
and slightly faster and runs cooler better product yeah Pizza more no sorry Papa steam um I don't think there
00:52:10
are more nodes now right it's literally just like shrunken down does a die shrink to 4 nanometer I believe that's
00:52:15
cool yeah that's way cool yeah so I think they're holding back the bigger
00:52:19
chip for the next version yeah they they said that they didn't have any um plans
00:52:24
right now to do a more powerful one what they should say yeah so that you buy this one yeah and then in six months
00:52:30
they're like just kidding we had plans Nintendo will definitely be doing as well that's fair while we're on uh
00:52:37
gaming stuff there's also new analog special edition like Pockets getting released special colors that are getting
00:52:43
released this Friday the 17th so today today when you're listening to this which means it's probably already sold
00:52:49
out so sorry for you guys sorry for telling you sorry for telling you these ones come in the classic matte colored
00:52:56
designs uh analog seems to be just shipping special editions of the pocket to keep sales going they did a
00:53:02
transparent one they did a glow-in-the-dark one and now they're well translucent translucent
00:53:07
glow-in-the-dark and now they're doing these matte colorways they're doing blue
00:53:12
green Indigo pink red silver yellow and spice orange and they all look sick they they
00:53:22
look I don't know why orange is the only one with a modifier but it's specifically spice orange got it I
00:53:29
really hope I don't get this wrong I think it's cuz spice orange was an original color that you could get the
00:53:35
GameCube in in Japan like like the orange GameCube is called spice orange really hope I'm right about that because
00:53:42
your Nostalgia tricks don't work on me analog I know nothing about these old
00:53:47
conses I immune yeah it was you were right Ellis it was called spice Orange let's go got it yeah got it awesome new
00:53:55
trivia question yep no please don't we we need one Andrew related we should do
00:53:59
an Andrew related second trivia question oh boy do we have one for you let's get
00:54:03
it let's [Music] go second trivia question so out of everyone in the studio Andrew probably
00:54:12
watches the most twitch twitch thank you I was going to say TW I was going to say
00:54:17
Steam for a second because my head's in Steam but yeah he watches the most twitch mhm okay what is Andrew's twitch
00:54:24
username name wow yeah you don't follow Andrew on Twitch um I probably do but I don't
00:54:33
watch Twitch wait so you don't follow me on Twitch no I don't actually maybe I do
00:54:38
I probably did when I found out that you had one yeah I wrote down a username that I no longer know if it's for twitch
00:54:44
or something else we'll just we'll find out later I could either be right and
00:54:49
feel really good about it or I could be wrong and you don't get any points yeah
00:54:54
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our third and final section of the waveform podcast which is just me saying that we've got a bunch of EV stuff to
00:56:05
talk about and we've put it all in the same section because it just makes sense
00:56:09
that way it feels good to put them all in one big EV section this makes sense um I wanted to just start off with what
00:56:14
do you think about this uh this jumper cable that lucid announced I think it's
00:56:17
dope I think it's sick yeah I'm kind of shocked that nobody's done it yet
00:56:20
because others have supported reverse charging so what basically Lucid did is they Ed a a cable that plugs directly
00:56:27
into the lucid and into any other EV that can charge them at a rate of up to 9.6 Kow so you can go oh you have a dead
00:56:36
battery in your Tesla Model 3 whatever yeah I'll pull up in my Lucid plug one
00:56:41
end into my car plug the other end into the into the Tesla and give you 40 m hour of charge yeah that's it's pretty
00:56:48
dope that's sick genely awesome feature usually when your car dies a battery
00:56:52
you're only like a couple of miles from a charger anyway yeah that's how fast my
00:56:56
fast charging in my garage charges like wow I think 10 kows or like N 9 or 11 something like that kilowatt so like
00:57:02
that's right up there with like 30 to 40 m hour of charge now my question is how
00:57:06
quickly does it drain the uh Lucid the Lucid because you're going to lose a lot
00:57:10
to heat you're going to lose a lot to heat you'll probably lose like 50 60 M
00:57:13
hour of battery but if you're pulling up and helping someone charge you probably
00:57:16
got a bunch of battery ready to go right I'm sure there's probably also some like
00:57:21
limits to like how low of a battery it'll work with and some other stuff like that but you're right most people
00:57:26
when they are that desperate for charge they need like two miles yeah totally so
00:57:31
I love that my sister has a model 3 and she uh her battery died like a mile from
00:57:36
her house and she had to call a tow truck to tow her to her house see your house down the block yeah and it cost
00:57:43
her like $500 yeah cuz it was at 2 in the morning did they dump it in the garage or the
00:57:48
driveway or whatever yeah into the driveway to like push it up to the charger yeah see yep if she only had a
00:57:54
friend with a lucid which and a jum is probably less likely but at 2 in the morning I mean my
00:57:59
question is can you use you probably can't use this on any other car right cuz I think C I think that they said
00:58:06
that the the Lucid have to like be able to push the batter the power out yeah and so they're they're issuing a
00:58:14
software update that allows it to do that right as far as my understanding of this the Lucid have the ability to send
00:58:20
power out and this this OTA update will enable the B charging feature and it'll
00:58:26
probably have a handshake with this this cable this jumper cable thing it would be nice if it just worked on every car
00:58:31
every e that would be wild yeah well that would be crazy cuz you could just start siphoning battery from people's
00:58:37
cars and parking lots that's true so maybe that's a good point maybe there
00:58:41
needs to be a software handshake but um yeah F150 F-150 Lightning has a giant battery and B directional it's
00:58:49
bidirectional but you need a special box in your garage right for your house to accept that charge so it's like doing a
00:58:59
handshake with the truck and then your house and then your battery to your truck is now the battery to your house
00:59:04
another great feature but I think the car to car thing is just like super convenient yeah definitely super into
00:59:10
that but speaking of cars okay Eevee xiaomi has announced that they're making
00:59:16
a car well they didn't announce it actually they applied for uh the right to sell it which in China basically
00:59:22
reveals your entire product so now we see the entire product and it is the xiaomi su7 it's an
00:59:27
electric sedan and not going to lie it kind of looks good I think it looks really good kind of looks good I I was
00:59:35
not I wasn't sure what to expect I feel like with xiaomi they kind of just make
00:59:40
everything so it could look like anything but when you look at these articles and these pictures it kind of
00:59:47
has Vibes of like seven different oems in a good way I feel like it has like sort of McLaren headlights a little bit
00:59:54
of like genesis to the front and the face I see some Porsche in the front hood there's a little model 3 a little
01:00:00
model 3 a little bit of Tian I kind of like the the the wheels with the spokes actually reminds me of the rivan wheels
01:00:07
Believe It or Not wow um you get to the back it's got more Tian it's got a light
01:00:12
bar across the back cool it's a solid looking machine there's um a Founders
01:00:19
Edition badge on the side there's got a there's an active rear wing that's a
01:00:24
it's just a good it's a good looking little car they've made here I think
01:00:28
it's they said it's there's a re World drive or a dual motor version there's a
01:00:32
three specs three trims yeah this the best part about this car is it yes I guess it's right in line with xiaomi uh
01:00:41
there will be an su7 an su7 Pro and su7 Max are they all the same size I think it's just power trim like what does it
01:00:50
mean to be professional driver if you're not actually professionally driving
01:00:55
I guess that's just up to or a Max driver what happens what does it mean to be a Max driver has there never been a
01:01:00
car named Pro or Max before I guess not doubt it I want to say there hasn't been
01:01:05
and why is there no Pro Max great point I don't know I think it's just literally
01:01:11
like one of them is a rear wheel drive one of is all wheeel drive and then you know top top spec trim probably my
01:01:17
question is how expensive this is going to be because it looks really nice and generally xiaomi stuff is like very very
01:01:25
affordable yeah so we don't know the price but it is gonna start Mass Manufacturing in December yes in a month
01:01:33
I kind of want to do like a an educated guess based on what we know mhm so we'll
01:01:38
probably never see this on this side of the Atlantic like guess it's just it's a
01:01:41
xiaomi car so I'm just going to have to like translate to what I think the US
01:01:46
dollar equivalent would be but like a car like this which is a full-size electric sedan I assume
01:01:55
with moderately decent performance I'm trying to come up with a comp somewhere
01:01:59
in the like ionic 5 range maybe a little higher end with that active spoiler a little sportier maybe ionic what was the
01:02:07
ionic 6 is the one with that we had here kind of feels like a $40,000 ionic 6 type thing that would be
01:02:14
amazing wouldn't that be cool for 40 Grand that'd be amazing it looks really
01:02:18
good total guess yeah uh it also runs an OS that can also be run on smartphones so that's hilarious this is similar to
01:02:27
the pstar phone that they're going to make that is made like specifically to
01:02:32
go with wa car there's a what were you did you miss that week yeah the postar
01:02:37
phone postar phone yeah no way I'm looking this up right now yeah it was it was uh they're going to be making a
01:02:43
phone that is uh with God what is the what is the brand it's a Chinese OEM that's basically making it for them but
01:02:49
it's made to go with their car wow and the os's like work directly together
01:02:55
I mean that makes perfect sense like in the same way that if Apple made a car it
01:03:00
would probably work best with an iPhone right there's probably tons of integration stuff you can do from maps
01:03:05
to like yeah yeah everything would work best with that yeah I'm guessing this is
01:03:09
like an Android Base and then they're going to have their phones also run the
01:03:13
same Android Base and then when you hook your xiaomi phone up to the shiai car it
01:03:19
probably has like special Integrations and just works really seamlessly with it which makes a lot of sense it's EX how
01:03:24
Apple would do that is really funny yeah meu yeah forar mhm and meu is owned by G
01:03:32
which is like a huge Chinese Auto which also owns postar I thought so they so gilee owns Volvo too yeah poar are Volvo
01:03:40
yeah isn't it crazy that one company makes Volvo ego waffles and uhon and these hands they own ego no I just made
01:03:50
that up that was not that was a joke okay that one was made up but but it sounds a lot like the one that wasn't
01:03:55
made of could you never know yeah uh that is really funny okay one company does own Minecraft and Skype though
01:04:04
Microsoft Microsoft yeah Minecraft and Skype also World of Warcraft and Linkedin LinkedIn World of Warcraft and
01:04:10
GitHub and chat GPT and GitHub but not chat PT but sort of sorry sorry get back to the more or
01:04:17
less yes um yeah so much for that Sony car I don't think that was ever going to
01:04:23
come out I mean we did see a physical representation of it at CES was that two two CES ago I think it might have been
01:04:29
last year I think it might have been both of the last two years yeah they make a lot of concept cars yeah the Aila
01:04:34
or whatever it was called yeah the Aila and then everyone went nah we don't really want this but
01:04:41
you know it looked kind of decent this one looks better good for xiaomi yeah cool design seems like it's actually
01:04:45
going to ship soon so we'll keep an eye on that crazy that a company that started as a as an Android ROM
01:04:52
became this it's crazy makes everything and cars they're versatile yeah insane see how it
01:04:59
goes I mean with a car there's like so many parts that you you inevitably need
01:05:02
to be made and sourced from other suppliers like I'm sure I say I'm sure
01:05:07
but I don't know I'm pretty sure xiaomi is not making the windshield wiper
01:05:11
actuators and like every single little piece of the car the tires will come from someone else whatever could but you
01:05:16
never know you know they'll probably make a bunch of pieces of this car they'll make the displays probably
01:05:20
they'll probably make the the camera systems for all the sensors all around the car the light R stuff cool yeah all
01:05:25
right well the other thing I wanted to shout out shout out was uh the Pulstar 4 uh which will not have a back window at
01:05:32
all yeah and instead it'll just have a camera on the back and it'll project the
01:05:37
rear view camera feed on the rearview mirror which is a screen yep is that legal it's legal yeah there are other
01:05:44
cars that have done it yeah there's other cars there's lots of trucks that
01:05:46
do this already it's just kind of inconvenient it's kind of weird it's
01:05:52
it's like this the really really sloped back windshield for this postar 4 so if
01:05:56
you see any photos or videos of the poar 4 if you did have that opening there it
01:06:00
would be a pretty small rearview mirror window uh so theoretically this could give you better visibility yeah it says
01:06:07
120° field of view which is way more than you'd normally get yeah but it also
01:06:12
feels like they didn't have to do that you know Evergreen yeah but it looks cool actually yeah it looks pretty
01:06:22
cool there's a Verge article on someone from The Verge that went and played with
01:06:26
it for a while and they were really really positive on it they were saying they really really liked it I feel
01:06:31
better about that then yeah and that nighttime visibility was really good that you don't get like glare that you'd
01:06:36
normally get like CU it can reduce like highlights so you can actually see instead of being blinded what throws me
01:06:42
off about it is like if you look at some of the pictures in the back seat like if
01:06:45
you sit back there it's just like an enclosed cabin like that might be I'm
01:06:50
just the more I think about this this might be a good thing but that's weird
01:06:53
like what if you're on a road trip you can't just look back you're like stuck
01:06:56
that's true you can't look back but have you ever been driving at night and the
01:07:00
person behind you has the high beams on and it's just blasting the inside of
01:07:04
your car I hate that that will never happen again never happen true that's a
01:07:08
great point it's closed yeah but wouldn't that be worse cuz it would just
01:07:11
be blowing out your camera no the camera can can solve for that yeah can it Sol it can solve for high beams being fired
01:07:18
yeah can like reduce highlights by a ton or it has a mode where you can switch it
01:07:22
to just be a regular mirror but it but then you just see the inside of your own car yeah but it's better than seeing
01:07:27
high beams yeah yeah I'm not sold should one here and try it yeah I guess so we should get one I I read a
01:07:35
book in middle school called the last book in the universe this was a one of those young adult postapocalyptic novels
01:07:40
and a big part of the book is that cars in the post-apocalypse do not have Windows and only have cameras really and
01:07:48
so read seeing this I'm just like all right wow okay yeah there's a there's a
01:07:54
couple of cars that we've tested that have the option where you can flip between a real mirror and a camera feed
01:08:01
yeah and it see that actually always works so maybe I shouldn't be it works pretty well I tend to stick with the
01:08:07
regular mirror but I do appreciate a good camera feed so I guess if it can solve for crazy headlights and stuff I I
01:08:13
don't see why it wouldn't be a decent idea yeah yeah I'd love to try it got to
01:08:17
try it yeah all right all right quick hits uh yeah we got a couple quick hits here so NASA is launching a NASA plus
01:08:25
streaming service but do not fear it is free which yeah I I don't think I can
01:08:29
name all the planets and maybe after watching NASA plus he will be able to uh yeah it's a free streaming services it's
01:08:35
going to have it's going to have documentaries it's going to have like a
01:08:38
bunch of just NASA videos it's going to be awesome and it's free which is great
01:08:43
uh much better than paying for another Subscription Service um this other thing happened where wait sorry what can you
01:08:49
watch on naso plus uh like documentaries about space and stuff oh I thought it was going to be like live telescope
01:08:54
feeds and stuff they probably have that kind of stuff I think you can watch live
01:08:59
rocket launch stream that seems cool too can we fact check this it says Emmy winning live shows okay original
01:09:08
series um there's also a space out series tagged under NASA and chill which are 30
01:09:17
minute shows featuring incred incredible shots of planets and space stuff all backed by chill music love that yo want
01:09:24
to NASA and chill later so this is basically uh like blue planet except for space planet planet planet planet planet
01:09:34
nice space planets yeah okay cool I think it's fun really exciting uh last hly who else can do this what other like
01:09:42
organization or company can launch like a live streaming subscri David David what other organization can launch uh
01:09:51
the esa what is that the uh last little hit here is there was some news going around this week uh
01:10:00
someone was reading the terms and conditions of buying a cyber truck and it said that you could not sell it
01:10:05
within a year of purchasing this one threw me for a loop some people were like oh it's because it's going to be so
01:10:10
bad that people are not going to want to get are going to want to get rid of it but they can't some people said it was
01:10:16
because uh there's going to be a lot of scalpers that are trying to flip them
01:10:19
for higher amounts of money um and people were kind of freaking out about this in general and then they redacted
01:10:25
it so that's no longer the case the funny thing about the Cyber truck is there has been so much hype for it that
01:10:33
there will guaranteed be flippers yeah guaranteed like if you have an early Vin the thing that flew me through me for a
01:10:40
loop is we have the uh the rivian here as the truck that we use for all the work like we do with autofocus videos
01:10:47
yeah and we have a cybertruck order so my plan was to get the cyber truck evaluate the two side by side shoot with
01:10:55
it work with both and then decide which one's better and keep it and sell the
01:10:59
other one MH and then this article comes out that's like if you want to sell the
01:11:03
cybertruck within a year Tesla will sue you for 50 Grand or whatever and I was like oh well I guess we have to keep it
01:11:11
for a year at least which sounds terrible but they took it back yeah I I always found it fascinating how a car
01:11:17
manufacturers fight against scalpers I know and like resellers and all that stuff it's inevitable lots of F150
01:11:22
Lightnings get sold for 100k over just absurd markups for like hard to get EVS so this will be one of them isn't there
01:11:29
a sports car brand that will not let you sell your car or won't even let you do
01:11:33
stuff to your car like skin it or whatever so there are there are there are companies that go to various extreme
01:11:41
levels of protecting their brand when it comes to not only buying the cars but using the cars uh Ferrari is maybe the
01:11:50
most notorious of them all they when you buy a car still kind of act like they own the car
01:11:58
my my favorite story is uh when Joel dead mouse uh wrapped his Ferrari with like the nean cat on the side of it uh
01:12:06
they sent him a cease and desist they were like you can't parade this car around with a Ferrari logo and that on
01:12:13
it it's like it's my car they're like well you can't do it so it's our car
01:12:17
send it back sell it cist they sent him that legal paperwork so he got rid of it
01:12:22
and he got a Lamborghini instead and named it the puron and did the same WAP so I thought that was great but like
01:12:27
Ferrari will only let you buy cars if you've already bought other certain cars
01:12:32
Ferrari will only let certain collectors have access to like first dibs on cars crazy they don't love people flipping
01:12:38
cars and this has trickled down into into Porsche into even some EV manufacturers so it's it's real yeah
01:12:46
it's real uh the 4D GT story is another famous one you could not when you bought
01:12:51
the car you like signed a contract that you couldn't sell it it's crazy I own
01:12:55
the thing I should to sell it so Tesla you know explored this idea a little bit added it and then took it back yeah damn
01:13:04
crazy that's it for our quick hits with that let's get into trivia I have both my answers already
01:13:12
written so I'm just going to cover the other one when I read the first one okay
01:13:16
before we do this trivia question just want to say when we were talking about alternative Space streaming orgs should
01:13:24
have shouted out ISRO Indian space research organization literally put a Lander on the Moon this year they did we
01:13:32
did not even talk about that they did the chreon 3 mission so anyway yeah sorry about that now back to the
01:13:40
trivia so dbrand has been around for quite some time but one year before their launch Taylor Swift released a
01:13:49
phone skin as merch along with her third studio album speak now what year did speak now come out
01:13:59
in I'm just taking a guess here but I'm I think I don't have much information
01:14:05
I'm trying to go with an educated guest based on the first time I ever skinned a
01:14:10
dbrand phone oh which I'm going to guess is either the first or second year the
01:14:14
dbrand ever existed MH and so I think this was like 2013 so what did you just give me so I
01:14:22
cuz you already wrote your answer oh so I wrote I wrote 2012 dang it I wrote 2011 speak now was released in 201 2010
01:14:34
2011 was the birth of D brand so close wait I thought it was when did the album come out yes yeah one year before dbrand
01:14:42
so that's right for dbrand oh speaking now came out in 2009 10 and then dbr I was right oh my god
01:14:51
wow so you guessed dbr correctly but I got the question wrong damn the slow turn to look at what you wrote is what
01:14:59
sent me all right so I kind of got the answer right kind of unfortunately but not damn right wrong places what is
01:15:07
Andrew's twitch handle I think this is right is it is it or is it his Steam username it's Andy kitten
01:15:20
6782 or is it his Twitter username so many options too many usernames we should just get
01:15:29
one like I don't know MKBHD or something like that social I will uh I will admit
01:15:35
that the first time I ever met Andrew I thought that his last name was mangelia well he's in my phone as Andrew Melia
01:15:42
nice and I have not changed it flip him and [Music] read uh is it Jolly Roger I put Andy manganelli
01:15:54
oh fake fans the correct answer is Andrew manganelli are you kidding me I do not know where you got jly rer no
01:16:03
what is this from now this is like a what is this from Andrew what is this from this is kind of a trick question
01:16:09
Andrew what is this from cuz I thought it was going to be different from an actual name yeah I know that's why I put
01:16:13
it in there thanks if you had no idea you could have just put his name and you would have got it right wow oh my God
01:16:19
what is this from well that'll do it for this week's episode back to regularly
01:16:23
scheduled programming which is not to say we don't have more bonus content in
01:16:27
the works I'm just saying it's definitely Friday today that's all wink
01:16:31
wink wink wink yeah sorry to everyone that we uh made think it was Friday on Wednesday yeah but you know glad that
01:16:37
you're listening but it was worth it it was again great episode go watch it go
01:16:40
listen to it it's awesome that's it rock and roll where's that from we just got a really great comment
01:16:50
on our uh on this video and that's a phone freaking fact that none of us encountered when we were researching
01:16:58
this really the earliest phone freakers were people who either were blind or were supporting blind people where
01:17:05
dialing a phone was very difficult and you could dial a phone with just the tones if you recorded them onto
01:17:11
something but it really took off when someone discovered there was a whistle in included in a box of Captain Crunch
01:17:20
that played exactly 2600 Herz and that was the exact tone to start a longdistance call wow on
01:17:29
AT&T exactly and so that fact was able to spread through like the underground
01:17:34
like wildfire and that's what made people really interested Wildfire oh my God waveform is produced
01:17:41
by adamina and Ellis Roven we're part of the VOX media podcast Network and our
01:17:44
intro music is produced by vain so bingo [Music] you can you can buy the Christmas tree
01:18:19
now but don't you dare put it up before my birthday that's that's you know I never took mine down
01:18:25
from last year it's still there really sh when did you put it up last year uh in like on like December 22nd or
01:18:36
something yeah it's 23rd I don't know D yeah but I accidentally destroyed the
01:18:42
lights on it so it's just got a bunch of dead lights hung around it it's
01:18:46
fine I have this pillar in the middle of my apartment that is there for no reason
01:18:51
it's like a support beam for the whole building thing that's a reason