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Google Glass had this. This is like Yeah, but Google Glass didn't have the live orientation change as you move your
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head. Google Glass would show you the arrow of like what your next direction is. This one specifically had a feature where you'd be looking at the map and
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when you look down, it would show a little map preview and your orientation on the map so you could tell which
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direction you're supposed to go, which is every time you start directions somewhere. That's the number one thing you have to figure out. Am I facing the
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right way already or no? Already that 5second dance solved. Yeah. Love that. [Music] Yo, what is up people of the internet?
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Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marquez. I'm Andrew. And I'm David. And
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this was Google IO week. So, of course, we got to talk about that. But spoiler alert, it was I don't know, not boring,
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but there wasn't a ton there. So, we're going to also talk about some other stuff. I disagree. Uh some CarPlay Ultra stuff. You have some some thoughts on I
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was great. It was great. Um, but also HBO streaming interesting stuff there. Also a small boost of Windows nostalgia. So, we got some other stuff to talk about as well. Uh, but first, shout out
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to the other channel, the MKBHD channel for hitting 20 million subscribers over there. Appreciate y'all for uh for
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getting us there. If you haven't already subscribed to Waveform, you should subscribe here, too. And we're going for
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20 million channels to 20 million, which would be even better. We're racing to 25 million, actually. waveform v MKBHD.
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Yeah. They reach it at the exact same time. That would be a huge win for both of us. Wait, so how does it feel? I feel
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like this happened and we're just like, cool. Does your lower back hurt? It's from carrying all sick. You know
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what's funny? I mean, every time you hit a milestone on a channel, it it sort of
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sparks looking back at the other milestones. And I do remember I I still feel like the milestone where you add a
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digit feels insane and then the ones in between are like nice steady improvements which remind you that you can add a digit and every time you get to the next digit you're like well
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there's no way we add another digit. Like when we had 100,000 subscribers I was like well there's no way we hit a
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million subscribers. I remember when the first YouTube channel ever hit a million subscribers. It seemed impossible. And then we hit a million subscribers. And I
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was like, well, you hit a million subscribers in the college apartment. And I was like, well, surely the peak
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for a tech channel is got to be around a million subscribers, right? Like, this is kind of ridiculous. And then you hit
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2 million and 3 million. But it feels crazy when you hit 10 million because you added a digit. It feels insane. Now
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we're at 20 million now. I'm saying this out loud. It feels like impossible that a tech channel will ever hit 100 million
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subscribers. It doesn't seem realistic, but here we are on our way. So, yeah. 20
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million. 100 million. Next, Marquez, according to Claude by Anthropic, Yeah. if all 20 million of your subscribers joined hand in hand, they would be able
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to stretch from Los Angeles to New York City. Wow. That's pretty interesting. I could picture that. Claude, I think we should do it. They could watch. According to Claw Antropic, I have not
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fact checked this. Don't worry, we'll save it for court where you can then blame it on the own AI that you made.
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I think the math checks out. I uh Adam and I found a couple. We decided to like think of some things that were announced in the past and then reference them to a subscriber count that you were at. Okay.
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Harder than you'd think. It was a little tough to do. We finally figured it out. But um I just wanted to throw a couple
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things out here. Uh, do you want to like guess or do you want me to just say? Oh, I can try to guess. Yeah. Okay. Launch
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of Snapchat. The launch of Snapchat. I was in college. Uh, I think I was in college. Um, so that was around what 201 12 close. Okay. Uh, and I remember
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that was when I got the that was in my college dorm. How many subscribers? I'm going to
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go with like 1.5 million. 16,000. September 2011. Pretty wild. 16,000. Mhm. Whoa. Andrew had to go back in your
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channel analytics to like really figure this out. Really? I found Yeah. Um, first Pixel phone launch. How many subs?
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First Pixel phone. Okay. I remember reviewing the Nexuses and then the Pixel 1. And I'm totally recalibrating. Maybe that's like 1.5 million. 3.8. Okay. 3.8.
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October 2016. Wow. Tesla Roadster announced. Oh my god. This is what sparked this whole thing. I was like, I wonder how many subs we had 2017. So this is seven years ago. So it could
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literally be it could literally be like 12 million subscribers ago. Eight years ago. 5
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million. It was like right 5 million was the first milestone we hit when I started. And it it happened in
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September. And it was um November when they announced or No, no, sorry. November when it hit 5 million.
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September when the Roadster was announced. So we've gained 15 million people have subscribed since the
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Roadster was announced. Y Jesus. Yeah, that's insane. I also looking through that graph found something pretty interesting. 2013 was a crazy year. Do you know why? Why was 2013? The
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New Jersey Hammerheads. Oh yeah, just kidding. But Oh, that's true. Wait, can you explain that? Uh, it was the It's
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actually how I met Marquez, but it was um arguably the worst pro ultimate team that has ever existed. No, not anymore.
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Not anymore. Not okay. Well, it was close. It's It was about It doesn't exist anymore, which tells you how good it was, but it's not the worst. It was
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the only year it existed. Uh, yeah, it was the pro team Marquez and I played for. We were pretty bad, but two and 14.
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Two and 14. Um, with before the season started, we got sued for copyrighting our logo. Um, and getting Never mind. It
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was a long story. It was there was a lot of things that went wrong, but I was looking in November 2012, you hit 100K
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and in February 2014, you hit 1 million. So basically 2013 was like wow, your 10X
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founder year. Yeah, that those are crazy. That's like 14 months, so a little more than a year, but I feel like
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100K to a million is a huge milestone. Doing it in a year and doing it in a year in 2013 is like kind of crazy. I've
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told the story before that in 2014, my junior year, is when I had a professor ask me why I hadn't dropped out of
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college yet. So, sometime between the beginning of college and the end of college, it went from being a cool side
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thing to being like very sustainable. And that was when they were like, "Hey, hey, why are you trying to get an education? You should just go. What's this like diploma chasing thing you're
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doing?" Yeah, that was a good year. What did 20 million subscribers teach you about B2B sales? I actually wrote this
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huge LinkedIn essay about that. You should check it out. But I wrote it with Yeah, I'm going to press the congrats
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button. Thank you. You're welcome. I pressed the thank you button. I don't think you understand how many LinkedIn
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requests you're going to get after saying that, Ala. Cool. All right, let's get to IO. Sorry
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to derail that. I thought it was fun. Input. Output. Yes. Okay, so as expected, there was a lot of AI talk, a
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lot of Gemini talk. Matter of fact, at the end of the keynote, Synindar put up a live counter of how many times they'd
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said AI and Gemini, both of which were over 90. Oh, yeah. It was wrong, by the way. It was because when he put it up,
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it updated in real time, but it wasn't over. There was like another four minutes where they said each one again
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like three or four more times. So, probably over a hundred for both, probably. Yeah. Um, but we expected
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that. We saw the whole Android thing before and now we got a whole bunch of Gemini and AI and VO and all the tools
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that they put in these subscription plans and all these new features launched and some of which we've gotten to demo because they actually launched
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right away. Some of which are coming later this year, some of which are coming next year, etc. But there were
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some highlights, some interesting stuff that we wanted to talk through. Yeah. The one I just want to shout out my favorite one because I made a short
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about it was the try it on feature. I love it. As soon as they said it's available today, I was like, I got to
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try it. I got to say this. So, I found it in Labs. I enabled it in my account. And it is an AI feature that lets you
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try on clothes from Google Shopping. Now, it's supposed to someday be anything in Google Shopping. I guess any clothes. Um, but for now, it's like kind of siloed with these like 50 or 60
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garments that you can try. And so, you upload a photo of yourself hopefully with form fitting clothing and a simple background. And then you just hit the
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outfit and it just builds an AI generated image with you wearing the outfit. Some of them a little weird.
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Some of them definitely adjusted some of my proportions. Some of them looked like
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they kind of like generated new footwear, erased my watch, did some other interesting things to put outfits
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on me. I thought that was interesting stylistically. I also kind of worry about this feature
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because you can kind of just upload any picture. Like I I used a picture of myself, but doesn't say you can't upload
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a picture of someone else and put another random outfit on them. It's weird. It's It's not public yet. It's in
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It's in labs. So, I guess it's kind of kind of public. Yeah. Yeah. It's That was the That was the highlight for me of
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like, oh, that's five or six startups that just got destroyed just now with one slide on Google's presentation. You
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know, we don't need AI to see how we look in dresses, right? I could just put eye feature. I thought it was cool. I think there's so many times like you order something
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and it doesn't fit right and you can save so much shipping if it like if that does actually help. Like the only piece of clothing I've ever bought on the internet is uh five gray shirts and I
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didn't really need to know how that looked on my body because I just bought the medium and I was like it's going to
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be under whatever sweater I'm wearing that day anyway cuz I only really wear sweaters. So, or a jacket. Uh, for me
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this is amazing because it g it gets rid of a lot of that anxiety of like, well, is this even gonna like look okay on me?
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Is this gonna fit me right? Yeah. Um, this is a very practical use of AI that I think is going to be useful for a lot
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of people. I'm wondering what the constraints of this are. Like do the companies that sell the garments need to like upload a 3D model so that they can
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like I was this morning. A lot of the verbiage on Google's website seems to imply that AI is going to automatically look at the garment, figure out it knows what a garment is and then figure out
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the places on your body that the fabric will lay and just simulate it with AI. I wonder if it's going to simulate the
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specific type of fabric. It seems like it. I mean, you kind of do a pose too and so I had my arm out and like the thick sleeves were like hanging off my arm. It seems like it did a good job. I
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think this is only beneficial if they can pull for without having to upload a 3D image cuz that's no one's ever going
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to do all that. Exactly. It would be like a platform that nobody wanted to use. Exactly. I think it's beneficial because so much of us order stuff
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online. And if you could look at it semi on yourself and realize then I don't like how this looks, then it saves the
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shipping to you, deciding you don't like it, shipping it back, which we could all cut down. There's a great Climate Town
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video about this actually you should go watch. um it would save so much in that sense. Um and also the reason I think it
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would want to eventually pull from that is because they also coupled it with that uh price tracking AI. Uh oh yeah.
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Was it like a not like an extension or Well, it would give you a notification on when it released when an item dropped
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below a certain price threshold. So if you went a I really like that shirt, but it's 50 bucks. I wouldn't really buy it
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unless it's under 45 bucks. So, you set a notification for let me know if this ever gets under 45. And if it does, it
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sends you a notification. You hit the button and it fills out the whole process for you and buys it on the spot,
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which seems pretty cool. It's like more integrated slick deals or something, which I think is awesome. And if it can just pull that from seeing what's on a
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website, seeing a price, and being able to follow that, I think that's awesome. Google has been trying to make Google Shopping happen for a really long time.
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Like they have tried so many different things to actually get people to use this platform and it's been around for forever. Wait, people don't use it.
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Google shopping. I use it all the time. You're crazy. I don't like it. I use it to find something and then I take that
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item name and go find the best place to buy it. I almost never buy anything from Google shopping. Yeah. When I'm looking
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for weird stuff and I just need to be like camera 1 in sensor black c you know like would you do that? do it all the time when I I would do the research to find exactly what I wanted first. Well,
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can I give an easier example? Yes, sure. Okay. If like there's a pair of shoes that you really like that is sold across
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like DW, sporting goods stores, REI, everything. You can also do all your sizes in there. So when it's like maybe
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a pair of Solomons are out on the Solomon website or REI, the places you're used to shopping at, then you can
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do it in that and it'll only show you things in those sizes and you can find the website and then you click on the website link and it's out of stock. When
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I possible when I know what features I want in a product and I don't know which products
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have those features, Google Shopping comes in super clutch for me. Like YouTube and Reddit is my search engine
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for that. I do my yeah I think my order of operations for I need a product in a category but I don't know which one is I
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do product research first watch videos read reviews etc and then once I know which product I want then I go to Google
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to find like which version of it I can buy and then I take the name of that product and then I go to the retailer I
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trust and try to find it there and Google sometimes will show me all the retailers that have it and then I'll pick from there but I don't I don't even
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know if I trust that list. Sometimes I see the list and I'm like, I can buy these cleats on, you know, goat on these
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two other websites. And then I'll go, well, what about Amazon? And I find Yeah. Well, cuz I there's like a
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three-year-old pair of cleats that I really liked and I couldn't find them anymore. So, I was like, what if I found a pair that someone just still has and
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then I tried GOAT and I tried like one or two other sites and that was my way. It's a wild interesting. I get mine at
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Marshalls. Well, yeah. That's why you have two knee surgeries. Yeah. Yeah, I only wear super wide uh dad shoes because I have a bad back. I
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knees. I want to say we've talked about shopping so far. IO should have opened with this. It was the most relatable
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thing. Instead, they tried to open it by relating to that Gemini completed Pokemon Blue and then made some weird
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pun about APIs with uh artificial Pokemon. Yeah, artificial Pokemon intelligence. That was strange. And they didn't they didn't show any like screenshots. It was just a graph. It was
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like this is how we beat it. I thought that one might have been a joke. It was a joke. Well, no, no, no. I think it
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beat it, but then the they didn't show anything. API part was just a Look, if Twitch can beat Pokemon, I would hope
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that Gemini can be beat. Exactly. Do we want to be compared to Twitch viewers? Yeah. I guess the the main point of a
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lot of this IO keynote was to showcase Gemini, how much more powerful different models of it have gotten. So they show
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lots of scores and lots of benchmarks and how powerful and how fast a lot of these models are. So they open with
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that. Great. I get it. But then yeah, they did get into some of the more meaty demo stuff. I will say that this year it
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felt like there were more obvious use cases of Gemini and all of these models and less just like look at these numbers about tokens. Last year it was just a lot of nebulous numbers that didn't mean
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anything to anybody. Yeah. Uh but this year it was a lot of actual demos, actual integration, and that's why I
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found it to be a better IO this year. I still felt like a lot of it was like here's the thing AI can do if you're a
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complete and here's like a set of numbers that you need a PhD to understand. It was like there wasn't a
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whole lot of things that I was super super excited for. Um but do you want to go through? Yeah. Okay. And I want to
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make sort of an overarching point about IO to begin this. Uh, Dubdub, Apple has this whole ecosystem of devices, right? And the whole point of Dubdub is that they update the OS of every single
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device that they make. Yeah. And you get to know all the new features of that OS.
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Google doesn't really have as much of an ecosystem, but Gemini is now sort of like is sort of their ecosystem. It's the thing that's on everyone's devices and there are a bunch of different
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things that it's doing because things like IMAGen and VO and Astra like they're all sort of like subcategories
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of Gemini in a way and so Gemini sort of feels like this like universal operating
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system that Google has across its devices and platforms. So now every IO we get you know we get the updates to all of these subgemini products which I
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which I found quite interesting. Uh, we got a lot of interesting stuff starting with real time translation. So, I think Ellis uh may need to eat his words. He
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should try it first. We should try it. It's available today. We should try Spanish. That was even still like you
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know after again 14 years of Microsoft being like this year we're introducing live translation for Google to come out and be like it's here no wait. I was like, "Oh, Google's been talking about
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it for a while, too." It was supposed to be in the PixelBuds one. I remember. I know. But it again, like like when
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literally when I was in high school, they were like, "This is coming to to Skype, you know?" So like, yeah, we'll
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see. But uh yeah, congratulations Google on making me eat my words. Also to all 50 million people that tagged me on Twitter that uh that it's here. They
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started doing it and I just slowly turned to Ellis and stared at him until and I just was watching him like
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groaning at the screen as it was happening. Yeah. For those who haven't seen it, it's essentially inside of
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Google Meet. If people don't speak the same language, they can have auto auto AI dubbing turned on for each other. So you speak your own native language, the
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other person sees you and then starts to hear a live translated AI voice that sounds like you but is in your language that you understand. So as if you're like watching a TV program that's
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dubbed. It's nice to finally talk to you. You're going to have a lot of fun and I think you're going to love visiting the city. The house is in a very nice
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neighborhood and overlooks the mountains, but it's live and it's a video call. It's like those documentaries where like it lets them
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start their sentence so you can hear what their voice sounds like and then goes over it. Yeah. Like one second later you can still sort of hear in the
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background but the dub's over top of it. Yeah. Right. Right. Don't they Where is the library? It's that. Yeah. Yeah. So
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that that was fun. Um we also Okay, so we're just going to go through this stuff. AI mode is something that kind of
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launched in beta for a lot of people a few weeks ago. I don't know if you guys have used this at all. I have it. Yeah,
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I have used it. It's in Google search. So, effectively the idea of it is that you search things obviously, but a lot
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of people are starting to search things not in SEO. Like we're from this era where we search in SEO, right? We know
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the keywords to put in Google to find the thing you need. Yeah. Now it's knowledge searches, right? and like
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asking it questions for answers, right? That's the new thing. So now people are getting more used to because people go
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to chat GPT now and they type in natural language. So they're getting more used to this idea of like knowledge search
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like you said. So now Google has this thing called a uh AI mode which is when you search something in Google, you can
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then switch into this AI mode where you can it's basically a Gemini rapper uh where you can just have a conversation
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about the search so you can speak more naturally to the thing. that's been out in beta for a little bit of time, but they just opened it up to everybody
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across the world. So, I've used a couple times. It's kind of nice to be able to get to Gemini quicker, obviously. Yeah.
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Do you know um with that mode in regular Google searches, it's still giving me AI interviews and stuff overviews? Sorry.
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Like, in regular mode, it does give you just split them. Give you have the mode now. I just want the mode. Let me have
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my let me still search in SEO. Google has a thousand teams and they just all deploy. Do we know which version of
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Gemini the preview the AI previews are using? I think they said 2.5 flash. The pre the AI previews AI previews and yeah overviews cuz they're always
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wrong. They're all they're always factually inaccurate. They're often inaccurate for sure. I I'm willing I
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wouldn't say always. I've definitely gotten some accurate stuff from Yeah. Have you double checked it? Yes. And it's definitely not always sometimes. I
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can say I watched it get like five things wrong this morning when I was trying to figure out Marquez's subscriber count in certain dates
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because it just ref it at least showed me the references to where it was getting them all wrong and it was just
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integrating that incorrectly. But I have been having my issue with it is I've been using Android for the first time
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since middle school for the past few weeks. Whoa. And uh be more specific. I've been using stock Android and uh and so I there's a lot of things I don't know how to do and I so I Google it and
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I always get the AI overview and it's never a single time been right like to the point where it's like hallucinating
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things in settings that are not actually in the Android settings. So I've given up. Maybe they've been in settings in
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previous years. That's exactly what it is. Yep. Or or I'm on Android 14 so maybe it's in 16 and it's not in 14. Or
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I think it's probably something that was in 12. Yeah. Yeah. Or if it's on an OPPO phone only, you know, but it's like
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grabbing from some real somewhere, you know, there's a whole rainbow of ways to be wrong. Yeah, that is that is true.
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Um, okay. We also got Imagen 4 and V3. They called it Imagine 4. So that's what I always thought it was. I'd never said it out loud, but whenever I see it, I just go, "Oh, that's clever. It's called
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Imagine." I think it's a double entandra. Yeah. Don't ask. It's their image generator. Image generator. And
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imagine I'm calling it imageen just like I [Music] imager. Wow. I haven't seen that website in so long because Reddit it's way
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worse posting now. That's why. Okay. So this is an image generator. Oh my god. Sorry. Sorry. The rabbit holes worse. Um, this is an image generator and a
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video generator and they updated them and they have previously been not quite as good as like chat GPT's image generator. So, theoretically they're much better. Uh, but the big update is
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that VO3 now allows you to generate video with sound. Horrifying. Which is horrifying. I told you this was coming.
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I said I told you this. It's not just like Will Smith eating spaghetti now. It's you hear Yeah.
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I can you can hear the chewing now. It's serious. It's serious. I think we need to do it at some point. It's weird.
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Yeah, I I will definitely try to demo this. It's weird because again, if if you've been keeping track of this this
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video generation evolution over the past couple years, it's been always very clear to me that it doesn't know what it's generating. It's just it's just
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creating the file from diffusion and then it just looks a certain way and that's the way it is. So, the fact that it's able to do dialogue already is like
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it feels like it just leaprogged a whole thing. Like I didn't I would expect like ambient sounds to be fine. Oh, it's in a
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forest, so you hear like birds chirping. Okay, that makes sense. Oh, it's a bird flying so you hear the wings flapping.
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Yeah, but like people sound moving with their mouths. That part is that part is a lot. Yeah, that part is really
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impressive to I can't wait to see a lot of it because like we all know look at hands to find the like the telltale sign
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of AI like what's going to be the like voice cue. It's going to be ever shrinking too. So there's going to be
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you're going to be able to spot it obviously and then like it future future advancements of it will get better and better and will be harder and harder to
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spot. It's just getting to the point where my favorite part about new AI generation stuff is finding the thing it
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royally screws up the first time they like so like now that we have audio and dialogue I can't I'm excited to see what
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what the masses are going to mess it's going to like it's going to like dub in the wrong language but the mouth is like
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three words are in a different language. Yeah. Um, yeah, I think that I imagen and VO are clearly more targeted at Google being like, oh, we know that businesses and enterp enterprise want to
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use this for marketing because a lot of marketing that's like in the subway or like that uses like stock video or stock photography. Google is just like we can
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replace the whole industry. It's just going to put ads in the middle of YouTube videos that are AI generated for
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whatever product you're selling. Yeah, that was a whole thing. Yeah, we were watching this keynote. I forget who but
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someone in the studio was like there what is the use of this like other than tricking people and there's not a lot that I could think of like I like the tool for
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brainstorming like if I'm trying to imagine a YouTube thumbnail or trying to imagine a video set I can just kind of
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play with it and figure some stuff out but yeah it's getting more and more realistic and can do dialogue now like
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what does that benefit doesn't benefit me at all I could see like needing stock footage of something as like a B-roll clip. Like there's whole websites that are just stock footage doesn't have
00:25:53
audio most of the time. Oh, you're saying the audio audio aspect and like getting better weird. No, this is for
00:26:00
ads. It's like if you're a brand and instead of hiring people to make your new ad, you can just type it into
00:26:06
Google, be like, I'm selling this product. Give it a bunch of pictures. Be like, give me people on the beach
00:26:11
enjoying this thing. And put it in between videos for ages 18 to 35 males. There's also already tons of Instagram
00:26:18
ads that use your voice to talk about Yeah, true. things. So now they can use your voice and your face at the same time. Oh gosh. Also, um yeah, I don't
00:26:26
know how this is going to like play in with uh actors union contract, but I could see the video game industry being really really um interested in this
00:26:39
because in modern AAA games, you are often times recording like hundreds of thousands of lines of dialogue. Think
00:26:46
about, you know, for like the like the random crowd lines that you would normally. It was interesting because
00:26:52
every time they announced a new speaker on stage, they would walk on stage and there was like a video, an AI generated
00:26:57
video of that speaker with like a flaming basketball or something like a dress of butterflies. Yeah. But it
00:27:03
wasn't just a modified video. It was a fully generated video cuz it was there was a little bit of that AI look to
00:27:10
their face so you could tell that had been generated, but it was close enough that it was kind of like right over the
00:27:16
edge, right? So, the weird thing about this is going to be like like they're going to be able to make ads that just
00:27:22
have your face and voice now. Yeah, they're embracing that. But that is a that is a downside. It is a huge
00:27:27
downside. If I could attempt to pick a way to use this that's not bad is similar to how you said like you like to mock up thumbnails. Like I've done this before where I've been like Tim this is
00:27:37
this idea that I had for a thumbnail. I tried my best to manipulate it in Sora but now you make it cuz you know you're
00:27:44
talented and we pay you. Um, I could see this maybe being like if you're a a director or something being like I want this is like what I'm looking for in a shot to show to your director of
00:27:56
photography to show to your actors. Something like that. But that probably just means you're a director. Um, that
00:28:01
you can't explain that you need AI. I don't know. But they also announced something called Flow which is an AI film making app which lets you take
00:28:08
those short clips, stitch them together and make longer videos. Yeah. uses VO, imagen and Gemini together and it is
00:28:15
basically like a video editing platform that you can just AI film making. Yay. I
00:28:22
I'll jump down one more rabbit hole real quick. There is a new YouTube feature that we've been given uh special early
00:28:28
access to that is Are we allowed to talk about this? Yes. Okay. That is that helps me as a creator
00:28:36
identify versions of me that have been AI generated that are uploaded to the internet. Oh to YouTube specifically. Interesting. So you know how copyright ID would be like I am the copyright
00:28:47
holder of this music track. If anyone else uploads this music it can automatically find it and then I can use
00:28:52
the tool to decide what I want to leave and what I want to take down. This tool which is very forward thinking for
00:28:58
YouTube is a likeness detector. That's cool. So, so far I've been poking around in it and it's basically finding other
00:29:05
re-uploaded copy copies of my videos. But I can imagine in a world where this becomes really prolific. Someone makes a
00:29:11
fake ad with me, you know, an AI version of me promoting something, I would be able to see it and I would be able to take it down because I own my likeness through this tool. I would suggest that
00:29:24
all the platforms consider something like this because it is very early days and I I think creators in general like
00:29:30
the idea of uh of owning their likeness even when tools become crazy like this. Yeah, that's very helpful. Okay, back to
00:29:37
the top of the rabbit hole. Okay. Um we also got an update to Project Astra. Yes. So last year we saw Project Astra
00:29:44
and that was basically the multimodal Gemini that was basically live but could also use your camera and it could you could talk to it and I think it's it was effectively just supposed to be their
00:29:55
most multimodal version of Gemini. Yeah. And this time they added a lot of other
00:30:01
stuff to it. So they added uh the a an agentic feature where you could ask it to look something up for you and it
00:30:07
would scroll the internet for you and like pick out pages. you could uh show it live video feeds and talk to it in
00:30:14
real time. And effectively, I would consider this kind of AGI in a way. Like this may be a hot take, but everyone always talks about AGI and reaching this point where like, oh, we've got this
00:30:26
artificial general intelligence that can do anything better than a human. Yeah. And like functionally, I think the only
00:30:32
po important part of AGI functionally is like when can it do everything for you? When can it do what I ask of it? Yeah.
00:30:38
Yeah. I I tend to agree. I think a lot of people picture it as being like a humanoid robot or like navigating the
00:30:44
world around it, but my standard has always been if I had a personal assistant and I could just talk to it
00:30:50
like a regular person and it could figure out what I wanted and actually do it mission accomplished. Yeah. And so
00:30:56
the agentic features like there was a version where I think he there was a guy fixing a bicycle and he needed a certain
00:31:03
part and the agent went and called a local bike shop to confirm that they still had the part in stock. That was
00:31:10
crazy. That's that's the type of thing a person with a human assistant would do. Yeah. and it just pulled it off the
00:31:17
super funny too is in 2018 we saw Google duplex and there were so many articles written like what are the ethics of this and that was where you would have basically Google Assistant at the time
00:31:28
would call a restaurant and make a reservation for you and everyone's like oh but if they don't know it's a robot
00:31:33
like is it ethical and now we're just like yep we're just doing everything like nobody cares whole arc of like
00:31:38
first it was it would call them and be like hi I'm a Google assistant calling on behalf of well they didn't do that
00:31:44
first. Well, pizza shops would just hang up. So, they started going, "Okay, people just hang up, so we might have to." And then they stopped doing that and then they started just calling and
00:31:55
pretending to be a human. Yeah. And not saying it. Well, I think what happened is that they didn't say it and then
00:32:01
there was all those articles written about it and people freaked out and then they added it and then it just didn't work because people just hang up on it.
00:32:08
And so now, and now Google's like, "Well, I guess people are used to robots now." So, they just like started having
00:32:13
to do all this stuff. So, yeah, we saw a demo of some some guy basically fixing his bike and doing all these things with
00:32:19
it. It was quite cool, I have to say. I think it was good. Demo they showed on Gemini Live was like just someone walking around and saying a bunch of wrong things and then it sassy telling
00:32:31
them that they're wrong. Yeah, I thought it was a funny demo just because of how
00:32:36
how like mad it seemed like to be at it. It wasn't mad, but it's just like, "No, that's not a convertical again. That's a
00:32:42
dump truck." Like, "Hey, that's just your shadow, moron." But, um, yeah, that that felt like they were showing the same thing, but rather than just telling you everything, cuz they've shown that a million times, they're like, "Well,
00:32:53
let's just tell you you're wrong about everything." Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was It was an interesting demo cuz weird. The thing that people are concerned about is
00:33:00
is it going to be wrong all the time or is it going to be right? Like, is is the AI going to tell me the truth or is it
00:33:05
going to hallucinate? And the fact that it felt like maybe you could say something wrong and try to trick it and
00:33:10
it would actually like give you the right answer felt like they were instilling confidence in people using
00:33:16
the AI to tell the truth. I guess can I eat this? Can I tell a quick anecdotal story we saw in the studio the other day
00:33:23
about live? We were talking about the gorilla person experiment and it somehow got on
00:33:28
the topic of can gorillas get drunk I think. Oh, okay. Can you explain that in case people have You need to There's a whole debate on if one gorilla can take on 100 humans. And so that sparked
00:33:41
multiple debates at work and we somehow got into could a gorilla what was it? Could one gorilla take on 100 four locos
00:33:48
or something like that. So we were trying to see if gorillas could get drunk. Anyways, Alex asked Gemini, of course they can.
00:33:55
Like do gorillas metabolize alcohol? It's not a course. What? Yeah. Yeah. I'll explain later. very quickly. What
00:34:03
was it like? If a gorilla were to drink a four loco, would it get drunk? And its response was, "Well, since gorillas are
00:34:09
smaller than the average human, yes, it would be able to." And all of us just kind of like paused and were like,
00:34:16
"Smaller than a human." And Alex said, "Than a baby? I mean, than a big person, like a large." It's I think it's still bigger than the biggest person you can think of. Yeah.
00:34:29
And and he had to like correct it. is like, "Oh, you're right. Gorillas aren't are bigger than humans." And that's how
00:34:35
like confident it would have continued with that entire conversation with the basis of gorillas are smaller than humans if you didn't correct it.
00:34:41
Interesting. Yeah. Obviously, everything that Google shows off is going to be perfect. Well, it hasn't been in prior
00:34:49
years, but I think they're trying very hard because they had a lot of mess ups the last few years. So, yeah. Yeah. Uh
00:34:55
they also introduced project mariner which was effectively the rabbit teach mode that we never got where you would
00:35:02
like teach you would show it how to navigate a certain site and then it could repeat it. Yeah. Um that has
00:35:09
obvious use cases eventually. They really feel the need to name everything. Huh? They do. Which so they can change
00:35:15
it in a year. Yeah. It's just project Astra, Project Mariner, Gemini Live, like VO imaging like Okay. Yeah. Everything's got a name. Cool. Project Cold Harbor. Cold Harbor. Spoilers.
00:35:29
That's not a spoiler. True. I have no idea what you guys are talking about. There's a popular TV show made by uh
00:35:35
Apple TV Plus Pro Max whatever called Severance where an evil tech company gives all of their name their like project secret code names and it's very similar to the way Google does. Okay.
00:35:48
Yeah. Okay. Uh, also Gemini agent mode, which can do multiple tasks for you at once with one unified AI. And I found this to be very cool. It was sort of this generalized Gemini AI where you
00:36:02
would ask it like you could ask it questions just like you would normally ask Gemini questions, but then you could say like, "Oh, can you do this and this
00:36:08
and this?" And it would like start doing stuff in the sidebar and also answer questions to you on the right. And uh,
00:36:15
it kind of just felt like this allin-one portal. So right now it kind of feels like they have a lot of sandboxes that
00:36:21
just they're just kind of messing around with to see what sticks. They all have names and they all have all of them are coming either soon or later this year
00:36:28
and you can try them or to subscribers. That was like was that the most used phrase this entire show was available
00:36:34
for subscribers? Yeah, this is the thing. Yeah. So they I guess are making uh sort of bundles of these sandboxes that you can pay for access to groups of them at once. So, one of them is called
00:36:46
Google AI Pro and one of them is called Google AI Ultra, which is just all of them plus like 30 terabytes of storage
00:36:52
is $250 a month. Yeah, sure. Yeah. But yeah, that is kind of how I see it. There's just a bunch of simultaneously developing technologies that sometimes work with each other, sometimes are just
00:37:03
their own thing. Yeah. Uh we also have Gemini personal context and Sundar actually used this as an example on stage where his friend apparently friend
00:37:15
emailed him and it was asking him some like hiking advice for like a trip that he was doing and he's like I know that
00:37:21
you did this trip so do you have recommendations and Sundar was like I don't have time for that. So he
00:37:26
basically he he had been on these trips before and had made like a spreadsheet about the trip or something in his
00:37:33
Google Drive. So Gmail was was able to pull information from his documents that he had in Google Drive about the trip and just basically reply to him for him.
00:37:45
Yeah. But at the same time the question becomes if Sundar is going to reply with
00:37:50
AI, why didn't the original guy just ask AI the questions anymore? Well, that was that is exactly why I didn't like this
00:37:57
demo is because they've done a good job lately. You know how we've kind of made fun of a lot of these demos of being like, "How can I be a worse person?"
00:38:04
Right? Can you write a letter to my uh cousin who just graduated and say how proud I am if I'm like do it yourself if you really care, right? And most of the demos they've tried to do have avoided
00:38:15
that like being a worse person thing. But this was specifically a person asking Sundar for his personal
00:38:20
recommendation. Yeah. So, he's asking you, "What do you recommend that I do?" And then Sundar's AI goes, "Oh, well,
00:38:27
you did this trip, you had these calendar events, you had this spreadsheet, so I'll write what you
00:38:32
would have recommended him, right?" And I guess that's easier for him, but it's also just just on that. It's on the cusp because it is technically based on Sund
00:38:44
what Sundar did specifically. Yeah. Which could be interpreted as his his recommendations. Yeah. All I want to
00:38:51
jump in here because this is like this has happened to me. Literally hiking things at a national park. Like it makes
00:38:58
so much sense. He should have just phrased this whole thing differently cuz he said I got this email and I need
00:39:04
personal recommendations for Zion. And he said, "Normally, I just wouldn't respond." Which is just like off the bat
00:39:11
dick move. said that immediately like that just makes all of this seem so but the thing is is like when you're doing a
00:39:17
lot of research on you know we'll use a park for example you've probably made a spreadsheet or you've made a Google doc
00:39:23
and you shared it with people and you've like sent emails to everyone going on the trip on what you want to do. So, if
00:39:29
I could say like, "Oh, yeah. I did do a bunch of things. Can you pull all the research I've written down already into
00:39:34
an email?" And then I go in and like add my touch to it like, "Oh, yeah. I really did like this one." Which is great cuz
00:39:41
it already pulled it from that Google doc from 5 years ago that I probably named something stupid and is hard to
00:39:46
find. That's super helpful. It is. Yeah. I as you say that, it's like half the people in my life are like, "Hey, what phone should I get, Marquez?" And I kind of just imagine it going like looking through my hundreds of docs and reviews
00:39:59
and being like, "Boy, do I have an answer for you." And that is easier. Have you ever heard of oppo? Yeah. Like
00:40:05
I don't actually want to answer that email, but maybe it would just do it. If you have good intentions, you can use that really well because it's harder for
00:40:11
me to go find all the things. But if it can pull it all in and then I can change it. But if you're just like, I never
00:40:17
would have replied to this guy in the first place, but now I'm going to let AI do it. You're just And I will say that
00:40:23
like this is sort of an enhanced version of Google's existing smart replies in Gmail. The smart replies in Gmail are
00:40:29
useless garbage. Pretty generic. They're so generic. It's just like, "Sounds good. Thanks. That's it." Yeah. Or no, I
00:40:37
don't want to do that. Like those are the answers that it gives you. And so now it can be based on your personal
00:40:42
writing style. It can pull from your past emails in your inbox where if you have replied to things and said specific
00:40:48
things before and information that you've received that I could see super super helpful because it's hard because
00:40:54
the search function in Gmail sucks. Yes, agreed. And like when we did our South by Southwest show, it started with Adam
00:41:00
Ellis and I talking to Vox. So like that was multiple email chains long, 50 plus
00:41:06
emails on each. But when I had to send the information to you guys, like I could have said, "Can you grab the fi
00:41:11
the stuff we finalized in these email chains about South by Southwest and put it into one email with the important
00:41:18
location times that we need?" Oh my god, that would have saved me so much time. Sounds amazing if it worked. Yeah. Yeah.
00:41:25
No, totally agree. If it pulls from an old email like, "Does this time work for you?" No. But it sees time and like
00:41:31
pulls that in or it doesn't understand time zones or something. Yeah. When you're trying to make I would love if that worked though. Very useful money.
00:41:38
And it could also be based on files in your Google Drive. And something I've been thinking about a lot is like people have been saying that Google is the best
00:41:45
positioned AI company right now because they have so much data about you personally because you know Apple is all
00:41:51
about security and privacy and we won't use your data for anything and Google's like we will use your data for everything. but you're also using all of
00:41:58
our products and it'll be convenient. And that's what all of these are. Like it pulls from your Google Drive. It pulls from your previous emails. It
00:42:04
pulls from like everything you've done with it. That does position Google to be like, you should use more of our
00:42:11
products because then our AI that is your personal assistant for your whole life will work better if you give it
00:42:16
more context and information. Yeah. Which is why they added Gemini to Chrome, which is the next thing we're
00:42:23
going to talk about. Yeah. real quick just to compare to like where Meta is at. Meta, remember they're building that
00:42:28
tool of like, oh, you have an Instagram profile and your friends want to DM you, but you don't want or your fans want to
00:42:33
DM you, but you don't want to reply to all of them. So, we can make like an AI that's like you and replies to them.
00:42:41
Cool idea maybe, but how much does that AI know about me other than how I DM my friends? Yeah, I don't know if I trust that to have enough information. Meanwhile, Google's like, "I read all your emails, all your calendar events,
00:42:53
all your docs. I know everything about you." So, I use Well, and also, I think the difference, too, is that Google lets
00:42:58
you validate it before you hit that send button. You know what? I mean, it will write you the email with all of the
00:43:04
information, but you have the option to go and double check that information, whereas the the meta copy of you is just
00:43:10
responding to you. Yeah, that's a big difference. Yeah, it's a huge difference. So, um, yes, but they added
00:43:16
Gemini to Chrome. Uh, and the browser the browser company's DIA browser was kind of supposed to be Chrome with a Gemini. Well, a Choppy GPT
00:43:29
sidebar. Mhm. Yeah. I don't really know what they're going to do now. I feel like this was inevitable though. So,
00:43:37
have they they probably have thought through that at this point. I mean this yeah we saw this coming a mile away
00:43:42
which is Gemini is going to be in everything. Okay, Gemini is in Chrome. Very useful again if I'm on a website
00:43:48
and I want to ask for a summary or something. If I'm if I mean all the classic things that you see on like smartphone browsers these days like it
00:43:56
maybe their differentiator is you can flip between different models, use GPT one day, Gemini another day. I don't know if that's enough for people. Everything they've been showing has been super super early and they said they
00:44:07
have tons of ideas they're going to implement. So we'll see. But I don't know. But the interesting thing about Gemini and Chrome is that it has all of
00:44:14
the data of everything you've been doing on the internet. Yeah. Jesus, that's so
00:44:20
much information. That's so much information. It knows every website you've been to. It knows everything you've searched since I was like 14. And
00:44:26
if it knows everything about that if it has an infinite context window people have to go into chat GPT and say, "I am
00:44:33
this kind of person. I do this. I I like this sport." And that's like it, you know, it uses that information over
00:44:39
time, but you have to manually input everything, whereas using Gemini and Chrome is just kind of like a one-click
00:44:44
import about who you are as a human being. Sheesh, which is pretty, you know, it's like I feel like that's kind
00:44:50
of their killer. This is the ultimate uh privacy convenience trade-off. Absolute like pull that slider all the way to one end of like you don't have any privacy. It knows everything you've
00:45:03
done, your history, your communications, and everything. But wow is that going to be convenient. It's going to be able to
00:45:08
write emails for you that sound like you. It's going to be able to tell your friends where you're going at a certain day so you can meet up. It's going to be
00:45:14
it's going to be great. Write the podcast. Yeah, the sliders have been pulled all the way to the edge. That's actually Look at all the Verge articles
00:45:21
I looked at for the last week. Write the podcast. Done. All the YouTube videos and articles I've read in the last week. Write the podcast. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:45:32
Yeah. So that's that's a huge thing. And the interesting factor is going to be whether or not Chrome gets uh separated
00:45:38
from Google in a couple of months. That's a big question mark. But if they can do this, and a lot of people have
00:45:44
been using Chrome for years, it's like a one-click import to Gemini, and then suddenly they knows everything about you. And I think that's really crazy. It
00:45:51
is a lot. So that was most of the main stuff, but we also have the glasses, which we will get to. Yeah. Why don't we
00:45:57
take a quick break? We'll do the glasses and the the video call thing. Being for
00:46:03
the break, but not the Casey Neistat one. Yeah. Uh but hey, before that break, you know, we going to do a little
00:46:08
bit of trivia. [Music] Welcome back to another beautiful edition of Wave Forum Trivia. But not
00:46:20
just any waveform trivia, cuz we had a tech event this week. And you know what we do when there's a tech event?
00:46:25
Were you paying attention? That's right. It's another not enough. I will tell you that it was 2 hours long. Guys, while showing off
00:46:39
Google's data analysis, AI, put it all in one place, organize it, make it pretty capabilities. Rajin was talking about baseball. And not just baseball,
00:46:51
but a new shape or type of bat that is present in Major League Baseball. Goodness. I'm having a brain freeze. This is a 20 point question, right? What is the bat, Andrew? Describe what?
00:47:05
I think I You know what? I'm feeling a little crazy. How about this? How about this to me? Ellis, never mind. I can't
00:47:10
tell you to ask a question cuz I obviously know the answer to that part. Also, can I describe the bat but not say
00:47:16
the name? Uh, is it even the official name or are they just calling it like that style? That
00:47:22
seems to be the official name. Uh, well, I don't know if it's like a like a trademark name or anything, but it seems like colloally we're all Also, before we
00:47:28
go to break, a quick shout out that is totally due because one of the goats of the platform, I mean, obviously Marquez 20 million. Cannot cannot say how cool that is, but
00:47:41
one of the goats of the platform just made their goodbye video this week. Oh yeah, Outdoor Boys. It was one of the
00:47:49
sweetest out uh goodbye videos that I think any YouTuber has like made. I cannot wait to see what you do next. Even though I won't see it, but Marquez, I feel like as somebody who doesn't watch Outdoor Boys, um you would
00:48:01
appreciate this that in the last 18 months, he gained 12 million subscribers. In 18 months in 18 months and that's why he left. He was like,
00:48:12
"This is too much." Like that's why he left. Yeah. He was like, "I can't go out in public anymore. My family is like
00:48:18
crazy. We we we can't have normal lives." Like, sure. Anyway, wow. We'll be right back after the
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00:49:47
was yet more from Google IO. I realized I started by saying it was kind of boring, but there's kind of actually telling you. Okay, watching it was
00:49:53
boring. Reading back the good parts about it was like, okay, these things are interesting, which just proves that they did a terrible job presenting. It
00:49:59
was a bunch of highlights in between a bunch of boring. That's what it was. Yeah. I also think that they repeated a lot. Oh yeah. In the first half they
00:50:06
announced a ton and in the second half they just announced it again. Yeah. I was like what are you doing? It was two hours. It was two hours long. It could
00:50:12
have been one. Anyway, continue. Yeah. So So Project Starline we got to see. Was that two Google IOs ago? Yes, it was
00:50:18
two years ago. Okay. So it was their this massive uh specially built kiosk. I don't know what to call this, but it was a video competit theater in the library. It was
00:50:31
kind of cool. It was basically just you sit down in front of it. There's a whole bunch of cameras and sensors around you and someone else sits down in front of
00:50:37
one somewhere else and when you look through the display, which is a lenticular display, at the other side,
00:50:43
it looks like the person on the other side is sitting in front of you in 3D. I did a video about this. I tried to
00:50:50
capture it on camera to the best of my ability. It's difficult, but it is a very impressive technology. That's pretty wild. I'm not entirely sure how
00:50:57
they scale this or like bring this to businesses or like who even needs these types of things, but we did get an updated version of this called Google
00:51:03
Beam, which was a smaller version in collaboration with HP that maybe even has better image quality and uses AI to like Was it smaller? It looked a little smaller. I mean, this is me judging
00:51:14
based on the video. Um, but yeah, that that was something else that they showed at IO, which was like, okay, if they're
00:51:20
going to ship these, they now seem to have a commercial partner that they can manufacture them with, and maybe it'll be in the real world someday. Cool.
00:51:26
Yeah, they just said it's Starline, but with AI and HP. I don't really know what
00:51:33
the AI is doing. Well, the theme of that's the theme of Google IO is we added AI to it. So, I think they looked back and they were like, "Oh, Gemini." But that justifies an entire name change
00:51:45
from Starline to being I think low key the HP partner is actually a bigger deal because they have someone to make the
00:51:51
hardware instead of it being like just a thing Google built and shows some reporters sometimes. Do you guys think Humane is making it? I said that when we
00:51:58
were watching I was like is that where this is going? Wait. Well, cuz they're all at HP. Oh, HP. Oh, yeah. Whoa.
00:52:06
That's a wow. I was wondering why no one laughed when I said that. I forgot. Well, the AI element is obviously that
00:52:12
they're doing the real-time translation because it uses Google Meet. I was wondering if some of it may have also
00:52:17
been the like it still needs to kind of cut you out and when we did Starline there was some like pretty jagged edges
00:52:23
every once in a while. So, I wonder if it just increased the efficiency of that. Yeah. Yeah. Um they're going to be
00:52:29
at info conference. Can I go? I don't even know what that is. Yeah, me neither. Probably for the best Thanos meme. I'm trying to think of because I think this is cool, but the situation you have
00:52:42
to be in to use this feels extremely niche because it's No, come on. Think about a Think about a Weiwork. Think about if a Wei work deployed like five of these and you could just go in and do
00:52:54
a video conference with someone at another Weiwork. But can you only do it with one other person? I don't know. So
00:52:59
far, we've only probably if you could fit in the window of capture, you'd have to be next to them. Well, it was doing
00:53:06
face tracking before and they could probably only do face tracking on one person tracking. This feels like at best
00:53:11
onetoone video conference. Yeah. But both people need the full setup in the space that it's in. Yeah. Yeah. And I feel like most video calls between offices that are just off are more than
00:53:25
one person. Yeah. Yeah. So, I feel like this is extremely it was a cool idea if I had to narrow it down specifically for seeing someone you care a lot about and you can't travel to go see them, right?
00:53:37
Probably family, probably someone who can't fly has access to get to one of these locations.
00:53:44
I can't fly. Super enterprisy. We right in New York airport. We can't fly either.
00:53:49
That's true. Yeah. Okay. Big the biggest the probably biggest news that most people care
00:53:55
about. Uh, Android XR is a platform that Google had announced earlier this year. We obviously saw Project Muhan, which
00:54:01
was their Samsung collaboration headset that is exactly like a Vision Pro, but more comfortable, slightly lower
00:54:08
quality. I actually got to try it for the first time, so that's why I'm just saying all the things. Um, it's very
00:54:13
comfortable, by the way. You know, it was not as high quality as Vision Pro, but it was close. But they took the
00:54:19
Android XR platform, and the whole idea of Android XR is supposed to be it's scalable. So you can go from devices
00:54:25
with literally zero screens where it's just basically using Gemini Live for you. Yep. To a full Vision Proesque
00:54:33
headset where you're you've got everything like in front of you and all this kind of stuff. But the biggest
00:54:38
thing is that they finally showed off the glasses which was very cool. And they announced partnerships where they're going to be making glasses with Gentle Monster which is like a high
00:54:50
fashion brand. I had to look these up. Yeah. Well, that one. That one. Yeah. They're a high fashion brand. And then
00:54:56
also, what was the other brand? Warby Parker. And then also Warby Parker, which is like a more entrylevel glasses
00:55:03
brand. More popular. Yeah. Uh, so I got to try them. Marquez apparently also got
00:55:08
to try them a long time ago. When I I think I can say this. I wasn't allowed to show it when I shot my uh Hold on.
00:55:16
Yeah. Yeah, I don't know if we should I think cuz that was [Music] Well, maybe we shouldn't talk about that just in case. Um, but uh I finally got to try these glasses. Uh, they are have
00:55:29
a moninocular display which is sort of a little mini screen in the corner of the
00:55:35
right eye. Mhm. And if you tilt your head a certain direction, you can kind of see it. And it was a similar kind of
00:55:41
thing to the meta glasses, but it was like shrunken down to one small area. And I thought it was actually quite cool. When you say metagasses, you're talking about the Orion. The Orion prototype. Yeah. They wouldn't tell me
00:55:53
if they were using like wave guides or whatever. Um, but they have a projector, so almost definitely. Uh, but
00:56:00
effectively they are Gemini glasses. So, you have a little pill in the bottom right corner that you can turn on at any time, either by touching the side of the glasses or by invoking it with your
00:56:11
voice, and you can do everything you can do at Gemini Live. So, you can look at a thing and you can say, "What kind of art is this?" Or they had me open a book up
00:56:18
to a random page from some random country and be like, "Can you summarize this page for me?" And it would like read me a summary of the page, tell me I
00:56:25
was what I was looking at. I can't read. Other cool features, it it has a camera so it can take photos. So, you can take
00:56:31
a photo. has a really really really low quality uh preview, but then you can obviously interact with
00:56:37
Gemini that way. But probably the coolest feature was the maps integration. It was so cool. It had this little what
00:56:44
do you even call that when the little droplet of where you are on Google Maps pin and it showed a bunch of streets
00:56:50
around you and it sort of like faded out into nothingness and it was fairly high resolution considering but as you would
00:56:57
turn your body the pin would move too if that part works instant like that's a killer feature for me. This is what Google Glass had this this like Yeah, but Google Glass didn't
00:57:09
have the live orientation change as you move your head. Google Glass would show you the arrow of like what your next direction is. This one specifically had
00:57:16
a feature where you'd be looking at the map and when when you look down, it would show a little map preview and your
00:57:22
orientation on the map so you could tell which direction you're supposed to go, which is every time you start directions
00:57:27
somewhere. That's the number one thing you have to figure out. Am I facing the right way already or no? Already that 5-second dance solved. Yeah, love that.
00:57:34
glass is the Map Quest directions we used to print out and this is like Google Maps on your phone. Yeah. Yeah. It was nice too because when you would talk to it about the room or about your
00:57:46
your Google Maps location or whatever, it would have little text that would appear that would kind of come up in real time and it was very responsive. Uh
00:57:54
it was a little bit weird only having it in one eye at the beginning because your eyes kind of have to adjust to that. But
00:57:59
they eventually get used to it and you're pretty used to it. Um they're very light. I think they were cool.
00:58:05
Yeah, there's a theoretical binocular display version of it and that's the idea of Android XR is it can be on one
00:58:11
display or two or the whole Muhan thing or no displays. Um I think it's useful. I think also the translation thing that they tried on stage which it was kind of a janky live stream that they tried to do but similar idea which is I'm wearing
00:58:24
the glasses, you speak to me in a language I don't understand and I get a live translation on the glasses. So, I'm
00:58:30
kind of like still looking at you through the glasses, but also reading what you're saying in front of me. It's
00:58:35
kind of another real life cheat code. Right. Right. Pretty sweet. It does help. Yeah. I think this is sort of an
00:58:41
endgame that we have all been talking about for a very long time. Whether or not we can get used to everyone that didn't used to wear glasses suddenly
00:58:46
wearing glasses. I don't know cuz a lot of people showed up to this event with the meta glasses and I was like, "Everyone looks weird." So, I don't
00:58:54
know. It's cuz they're all like kind of the same exact style and you're like, "I know what you're wearing." Uhhuh. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, I think that though this
00:59:00
this live translation demo, as Ellis has mentioned in the past, is such a like obvious like kumbaya like what if all of humanity could talk to each other type thing where like they feel like if they
00:59:12
can solve that then they'll have an obvious win. And this is the closest that I've personally seen to actually
00:59:22
it just seems because what they did on stage is actually two different people who don't speak the same language at
00:59:27
all. It was one person speaking Hindi, one person speaking some other language I don't remember. But then they would
00:59:33
speak and both of them would translate to English which is cool for the viewer. But the idea is these people ordinarily
00:59:38
would never speak to each other but it was enabled through this cool technology cuz they both had the glasses on which
00:59:44
like we've seen a version of that amazing tech solution moment a thousand times before. This just happened to be the most convincing one I've seen. Yeah. Have you had that problem?
00:59:55
No, I don't think it's a common like everyday problem that they've solved. I think it's a cool easy tech demo that it's easy to get behind which is why they keep trying it. One of the most aha
01:00:07
moments I ever had about technology was being in Japan for the first time in like 2015 2016 and being able to
01:00:15
translate things via Google Translate and have them read it and understand, talk back into it and then have it speak
01:00:21
out in English. Mhm. And that was for me like, oh my god, this opens up so many doors and then this is much quicker,
01:00:28
right? Yeah. She's been walking around with Google Lens this whole time, which is like it's useful, but it just gets
01:00:34
better. Hey, you know, like once we all can just universally understand each other, we can get get to work building a
01:00:40
a really big tower cuz that worked so well. Space elevator. Yeah. So, yeah. Um, we don't know anything about pricing. We don't know anything about what the final designs
01:00:53
are going to look like. These are very much prototypes. They wanted you to make sure that you knew that. They had signs
01:00:59
in the mirror that were like, "This is a prototype. Please do not think this is the real thing." Yeah. And I think they're still experimenting with
01:01:05
moninocular versus binocular. So, just to step it back a couple, did you ask about pricing of Muhan at all? Cuz when
01:01:11
we asked, they were very good at dodging that question as hard as possible. They
01:01:17
wouldn't even like try and say the word like premium or anything. They would just be like, "We are not discussing a
01:01:22
They told me that Samsung was like a bit touchy about them announcing anything for Samsung." So, they didn't want to say anything on Samsung's behalf. I still think they were figuring some
01:01:33
things out. I'm just interesting if we've got any closer cuz it's been 5 months at this point. I don't think we're any closer to seeing the price for
01:01:40
it. No, no, I think it was launching this year though. Yeah, I did think that. Yeah, I did keep saying that
01:01:45
actually. Yeah, I think in general you can kind of think of it as like a tier system. Maybe even similar to what we've
01:01:52
been talking about with the iPhone camera. One camera, two camera, three cameras. It's kind of just zero displays is the cheapest version. a full VR
01:01:59
headset is the most expensive version and the glasses are in between because you're only taking the screen into
01:02:05
effect, but the form factor is so much different where the Muhan has so much more room for internals and stuff when
01:02:11
you have to make a glasses technology that small inside of that then like that is also a huge price increase. That's fair. I think though they they end up throwing a lot more compute and battery
01:02:23
and hardware at the VR headset because of all the room where they're kind of shrinking obviously it takes a lot to
01:02:29
develop but as far as bill of materials like the goal I still think is to be able to ship like a cheaper incremental
01:02:36
version of the glasses up until the most expensive thing which is a headset I think at least that's the vibe I got.
01:02:41
Yeah. So but we yeah we don't know because we don't know any of the price of anything. I think they also look at it sort of like it's more focused on
01:02:48
being a platform like Android is, right? Like the reason that they keep showing off other Android phones at these events
01:02:53
is that they want you to know Android has so many different form factors. Android is a lot of things and Android
01:02:59
XR, they don't want to be the only ones that are going to build that. They want other people to build it for sure. Yeah.
01:03:05
So, it's kind of like how Meta wanted to be the platform for the metaverse before, but then that didn't work
01:03:11
because the metaverse, nobody cares. So, I think everyone's like, "Ah, yeah, XR is the thing." Yeah. But I'm surprised actually that we haven't seen Meta doing
01:03:22
much since the Quest 3 came out. Like, there's been no announcements about XR really. Yeah, they definitely I mean,
01:03:28
they they showed us the project, what is it called? Orion glasses. I guess that's true. But we don't have anything
01:03:33
shipping. Yeah. In that form factor. Yeah. So, yeah. I don't know. We'll see when those come out, but they did announce those partnerships, so I imagine there will be devices at some point. Speaking of partnerships, let's
01:03:45
go. Apple had this weird thing that they did at WWDC. Remember when they showed that CarPlay that took over the entire
01:03:52
screen of this unknown mystery car, and it was like a long time ago, the new CarPlay, but it was like two years ago
01:03:59
or something. Was it three years ago, but the idea was Sounds about right. They announced it and then we didn't
01:04:05
really see any cars actually have that. It was 2020. And then do you remember last week we decided to take a random
01:04:12
shot at Apple? Yeah. And then whoever was in charge of that program went, "Oh, wait. I was supposed to launch it." And then they did. And so now, uh, officially they have unveiled
01:04:25
CarPlay Ultra is what it's called, which is, uh, I guess there's an Aston Martin that they started off with. They're do
01:04:32
maybe it's just all new Aston Martins are going to have this compatibility with CarPlay ultra which is yes the normal CarPlay which is running off your
01:04:38
phone on the main screen in the middle of the car but also your gauge cluster and your information about the car your
01:04:44
speedometer tachometer all that will also be taken over by CarPlay and so it is kind of themed and it looks like Aston Martiny but it's also running from the compute off your iPhone. other
01:04:56
partners will theoretically have their own themes, but now, yeah, this whole unified CarPlay Ultra experience takes
01:05:03
over all the screens in the car. Uh, I see this video and I see like this Aston Martin website and I I think it looks neat. I like it. I can't imagine why any
01:05:17
car company would want to do this, but they seem to be partnered with Aston Martin on at least this Marquez because 85% of people in the world won't or in the US will not buy a car unless it has
01:05:29
carbon. Don't you remember that? So yes, that's a number we totally made up right
01:05:34
now. And we definitely only went to Apple on campus and asked them this question. Yeah, it's also like okay,
01:05:40
these Aston Martins people aren't Okay, maybe they are. Maybe they're like, I only will buy this as Martin if
01:05:46
it has CarPlay. Maybe that's a real person. I don't know. But it is whenever I like test a car that has CarPlay,
01:05:54
there are various levels of how intertwined it is with the rest of the car. Usually it's like in a window on
01:06:00
the main screen, sometimes it's a full window. Sometimes if I'm navigating, it will show the navigation on the HUD, which is kind of cool, or in a little piece of the screen behind the steering
01:06:11
wheel. Sometimes it's a little bit better. This one just guarantees it's like it fully takes over. Uh it's neat.
01:06:18
Looks cool. Seems like a better version of CarPlay. I just I called it ultra. I just don't see many cars ending up having this. I think it looks awesome. Yeah, might be because it's in an Aston
01:06:29
Martin, which looks good already. Um, but I think it's really funny how you can like I know not all CarPlay looks
01:06:35
bad, but there's like the Lucid CarPlay that has that weird shaped screen. So, it's just like this box with a bunch of
01:06:42
edges that you can see. The Mini Cooper review, the Mini Countryman review that the Mini Countryman UI system looks like
01:06:49
you're trying to pick a new Android watch face and you're in like the 10th page of terrible watch faces. It's
01:06:56
really bad. It's a It's a square inside of the circle screen. Yeah, that's terrible. It's rough. So, it's cool that
01:07:01
it can do this. It is. They said you can customize it and it it should take over similar themes to whatever the car
01:07:07
manufacturer you are, which is cool. I kind of feel like a lot of people, maybe I don't know, Aston Martins probably
01:07:12
would want a physical cluster. Yeah, I know people like that a lot, and this is not that by any means. Um, but it looks
01:07:20
really cool. Top Gear did a like 18minute walkthrough video of it, which was good because Apple of course only
01:07:25
shows like ren renders and that's going to look beautiful no matter what. There's simultaneously that sort of
01:07:31
element where almost every single car manufacturer makes horrible software and so it makes sense to just let another
01:07:39
like phone company make the software. But also, why not just have regular CarPlay, you know? Yeah. I mean, a lot of the things that this adds is like
01:07:49
climate control, uh, speedometer, uh, how much if it's an electric car, how much battery you have left. A lot of things like that. That I think is like arguably one of the biggest things if you can integrate range into your, you
01:08:03
know, CarPlay or if you're in Android Auto or whatever, Google. I think that's the best feature cuz I've we've used
01:08:08
cars that have uh Android or Google built in. And so if I navigate somewhere with Google Maps, which is built into the car, it knows how much battery I'll have when I get there because it's built
01:08:19
into the car versus if I was just using CarPlay, it'll just tell me to go somewhere and not knowing I don't have
01:08:24
enough battery to get there. So the integration makes sense. There's also this layer of every car has different
01:08:31
physical buttons in it. Yeah. And I guess they'll have to sort of tailor this per car because yeah, in my car, I
01:08:39
don't need the HVAC controls because I have dials, like physical buttons for that. So, yeah. I don't know. I don't
01:08:45
know what it'll look like in every car, but this is what it looks like. I don't like the idea of buying a car that makes me stick with one operating system
01:08:51
either, especially an Aston Martin. I mean, it's still got it. Like, if you want to switch to Android, uh, well, I
01:08:57
don't know. Does it not have Android Auto? I don't know if that I don't know if this means it doesn't have I would be
01:09:03
willing to bet that they don't want this car to have Android Auto. Yeah, I don't
01:09:09
see that anywhere on the website, but I wouldn't be shocked if they didn't have Android Auto. I mean, that event because
01:09:15
they this also says in the article that manufacturers like Hyundai, Kia, and Genesis all committed to applying this in the future. And I feel like that's
01:09:21
starting to get to the point where that's a nuisance to those car manufacturers to not take out a whole
01:09:27
Yeah. Most cars at this point have auto and CarPlay. I just assumed this was like the really good version of CarPlay.
01:09:35
Yeah, it would be nice. It's just that when the clusters are all sort of tailored around Apple's platform running
01:09:43
it, it makes it seem like it would be more likely that no CarPlay takes over your cluster and replaces the clusters
01:09:50
that are on it. It still has its own I'm assuming here, but the Aston Martin still has its own UI system and will
01:09:56
have its own screens for everything. But since it's a screen, CarPlay can take over. Yes. Okay. CarPlay Ultra,
01:10:02
everybody. Ultra. CarPlax getting thrown around. Pro Max would have been better. Maybe all of
01:10:08
WWDC is just going to be them talking about that and ignoring Apple intelligence.
01:10:13
Uh, okay. We also, back to Google for a hot sec. We also got the first Android 16 developer beta of which we can actually see and touch and play with
01:10:25
Material 3 Expressive. Your boy just installed it this morning. How you feeling about it so far? Um, it looks
01:10:33
great. Yeah. And that's really all that funky can say so far. Does it make you feel young and hip? Well, okay. So, there's more haptics. And I this is something I I liked before because when
01:10:44
you feel remember I told you about that Oppo phone where you clear notifications it goes and it like you feel the haptics
01:10:49
of it. Oh yeah. There are more haptic uh cues and elements as you move around here which is nice. Like when I pull the screen like change the brightness of this. You feel it. When you feel it
01:11:02
feels like a kind of a textured haptic when you turn it. Yeah. Like it's less at the bottom and more at the full
01:11:08
bright. There's more stuff like that. I like that slider. I don't like the slider at all. Really? I The first thing
01:11:14
I noticed in looking at this is I think the sliders look really nice. Yeah, I love the sliders. That line looks horrible. Visually, I'm I'm liking it.
01:11:21
Yeah, the line is kind of weird. I think when you theme it in some different colors, white and black might be a really boring version of it, but like
01:11:27
some of these like aqua themes in this article are really nice. So, when you when you're like starting to swipe away notification, they had told us that when you're doing this had physics, but it
01:11:37
also has haptics now. Yeah. And when you're doing it, you can feel like a drag. It almost feels like friction. But
01:11:44
even in it, watch the So, we're in the notification panel. I'm starting to swipe away a notification, but even the
01:11:50
notifications under it like un like snap away from it. And you can tell are not connected any That's really good. It all
01:11:57
moves. Multitasking. Same thing. Yeah, I'd put that like a 96% on the um expressive meter. And what about on the
01:12:06
cool chart? 87. 30% more expressive than before. 40% hip. Um, yeah. So, you like it? You
01:12:14
think it's cool? I mean, yeah. From my 20 minutes so far of just like poking around and seeing the new aesthetic, I
01:12:19
like the new aesthetic. I can't tell if I like it because it's just new and fresh and therefore interesting or if
01:12:24
it's actually better. Yeah. So, I'm going to save my judgment to actually using it. But, I would I would expect a main channel video on this new Android
01:12:31
16 because there is a lot of actually better stuff as well. Yeah. uh on top of this expressive new aesthetic. I think
01:12:38
this looks good. Yeah. All right. I think it's good TBD. I'm gonna keep using it. Testing a whole bunch of stuff
01:12:43
right now, but definitely we'll get a video up on my thoughts on it. Oh, we also didn't announce that Dubdub got
01:12:49
announced. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. WWDC June 9th keynote at 1 p.m. Eastern. Be there.
01:12:56
It's going to be online. Yeah, we're going to definitely talk about Did we not know that? I thought we knew that.
01:13:01
Uh it just just got announced. Yeah. It got announced yesterday. Invites went out. Yeah, it might have already been I
01:13:07
think it got announced. I think invites went out. Oh, okay. Oh, I'm pretty sure we've all known this for a while. Not
01:13:13
breaking news. Yeah, cuz it was it was actually on my calendar already. Yeah, it's been on our calendar for a long time and not even like special. Swipe
01:13:20
this whole section, I guess. No, leave it. It's good seeing us realize how silly we are in real time. Well, I also
01:13:26
didn't get an invite, so Oh, it's okay. Me neither. Sorry. You know what rhymes with Rivia? The thing that we do before
01:13:33
the next break. Trivia. Very nice. Give you a point for that. No, I need the points. We give the points around here. Okay. I did like someone made a suggestion that we always
01:13:47
bet on things and we should be able to bet our points. Family heat style. Just like anytime during the thing it's like
01:13:53
if we want to make a bet to prove how confident you are, you can bet your love. That's a great idea. We will be.
01:13:59
The only problem is it's almost always a like 2 year later. So you don't know how many points you're going to have when it
01:14:04
comes true or not. When will the Cybertruck have Apple intelligence? All right. Hopefully
01:14:11
never like you're like stuck in traffic and like like Google Maps is like turn left here and you're like Grock, is this true?
01:14:22
Grock fact check please. That needs to be a button. Grock context. So, there was a live demo at Google. Oh, wait, wait, wait. Were you paying attention? Another one, man. All right.
01:14:38
There was a live demo at Google IO with a guy fixing his bike using Google Gemini Live with Pro Boost Ultra Max 2.5 or whatever the hell it's called. But,
01:14:49
what brand of bike was he fixing? Oh, I know. This really crazy that I Marquez was paying attention. I don't know the brand of bikes. I kind of They said it. Speed master. That's a That's a watch.
01:15:01
Oh, Giannis. That's a basketball player. Keep going. I just want to say I didn't look in the comments. Last week, David
01:15:08
talked about using Gemini Lie to fix fix his bike chain, and people were very mad at that, which I I think plenty of
01:15:13
people know how to fix a bike chain, but I also don't think it's that crazy of a thing to ask. I have no idea how to fix
01:15:18
a bike chain. I didn't see anyone. They're just like, "Get outside. You going to fix a bike chain?" I think that
01:15:24
was the weirdest I think it was the weirdest thing to like get mad at people. It's the most boomer. Like I
01:15:30
It's just gatekeep. Yeah, it felt weird. Like I mean I fixed a bike chain before, but it's been a long time and I probably
01:15:37
hardcore biker. Like you should be using AI to like cheat at school and stuff. Is this one of those things where
01:15:43
like everyone's mad if you don't know how to change a tire? So if you ask Gemini, it's like embarrassing. Yeah, probably. Like you're supposed to know
01:15:48
how to change a bike chain or something? I guess. Imagine David on the side of the road like, "I really need to fix this bike to get home, but I can't ask
01:15:55
Gemini Live or people will make fun of me. So, I guess I just have to sit here." Well, you never know. New Gemini that
01:16:02
stands up for itself might be like, "Idiot." That's not a bike. It's a bike. You
01:16:08
should know. That's a lack of intelligence. Yeah. All right. Well, answers will be
01:16:13
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01:17:45
talk about. Hell yeah. The first one, do you guys remember 3D Space Cadet Pinball on Windows XP? Yes. Do I? It is now on
01:17:52
Android. Wait, for free. No ads, no microtransactions. I don't know how this developer put it on there without some sort of copyright infringement. But I love it. You can now play fully
01:18:05
optimized for touchscreen. Space cadet pinball. God, I love this. I used to beg my uncle to use his laptop to play this all the time and then he never got any work done. But yeah, dude
01:18:19
Solitaire for me. I think this is better than solitire and mind sweeper. It's funny thing that the things that make us
01:18:25
excited now are just the things that we used to have before things got bad. That's funny. Yeah, I I do I do talk
01:18:33
about nostalgia a lot and how it rarely works on me. Yeah. And then but I said that out loud and you just said I need this. Yeah, I it's only 5 megabytes from
01:18:44
what I saw. I love this. Everything about this is perfect. I'm in until it gets copyright. Sure. Big fan. All
01:18:50
right, the next one. Speaking of perfect. Yes. Cool. Have you ever seen a screen protector for an iPhone 16 Pro that's optimized for AI? at this point. So, I saw this and I thought this is
01:19:03
either the dumbest thing ever or the smartest thing ever. Let him cook because because hear me out. We ordinarily would not talk about the
01:19:15
screen protector, but if you were screen protector company looking for a way to stand out, you put that little optimized
01:19:21
for AI thing on it knowing full well that it's complete bull. But someone is going to see that and tweet it and it's going to be a funny free marketing worthy deal and it's just going to be
01:19:31
we're going to talk about it. Whoever posted it to the Linus subreddit and then reposted it to the MQB subreddit
01:19:37
didn't put enough discernable information in here that I could find out who made this and I literally even with uh uh circle to search could not
01:19:44
find who made this case manufacturer. So it backfired pretty hard. No, I bet I bet people buy this with the seeing the AI thing and know nothing about screen protectors or AI. Counterpoint,
01:19:57
the Chinese word for love sounds very close to AI. And maybe they're saying optimized for love. Optimized for love. Completely different thing. I am
01:20:10
optimized for love. Yeah, but yet I'm still I just want to say I'm still crushing at Space Cadet right now. I still got it, baby. Is it called Space Cadet? I'm installing it right now. All
01:20:22
right. Well, I'll talk about the last stupid thing. Sure. Cuz it's my favorite stupid thing of this week. We're really late to this, by the way. It happened
01:20:28
like last week, didn't it? I guess so. Yeah. Last weekend. Remember HBO? Do I? And remember how they made a streaming service called HBO Max? Yep. Which remember before that it was HBO Go? Oh
01:20:40
yeah. Which got merged with HBO Max and then spun off into just Max because someone there decided, hey, we have decades worth of name recognition. We should throw that away and spend
01:20:52
millions of dollars doing it. Dude, it was even worse than that. They said, "We want to The reason was like, we want to
01:20:58
start bringing in more like lowquality and reality shows, which clashes which clashes with the highquality brand recognition of HBO." That was the problem. Like HBO Max was supposed to be
01:21:09
like HBO the brand they were like this is sacred and it has to be the high quality stuff that people know HBO for.
01:21:15
So Max, we want to be like Paramount where we have just freaking everything and or Netflix. We need to have a a
01:21:22
service that competes with Netflix that has like Love Island on it. Yeah. So that's why they made HBO Max, but then
01:21:28
they just changed it to Max cuz they didn't want it to be associated with HBO, but it also had some HBO stuff. But
01:21:34
there was HBO still just a channel like a premium channel? There's no streaming service anymore. HBO Max. No, but I mean
01:21:40
once they went to from HBO Max to just Max, where was HBO? So HBO content was still on Max, but they wanted Max. They didn't want the the the the slop that
01:21:52
they were trying to put onto Max to be associated with HBO. But now, don't pat yourself on back HBO. No one thinks of you like that. You just ruined name recognition. But anyways, yeah. Sorry,
01:22:04
Ellis. Do you want to the grand reveal of the new name? No, I I you please. I to stole all of your your It's just HBO
01:22:11
Max again. Yeah, baby. So, that's the story. I will say their social teams went hard on this. They were They were very funny. They're pretty funny, but also just like don't be a in the
01:22:22
first place. Yeah, but it's not the social media manager's fault. That's true. Someone could have spoke up, guys.
01:22:29
We're We're not We're not This is not the right take on this, okay? This is not the right take in a world. There is
01:22:35
no right take. This doesn't matter how in a world where streaming services are full of tbs and goooos.
01:22:41
We should be thanking them. They should have renamed this to hobo. Hobo. Yeah, they should have just added a vowel
01:22:47
before the H and the B and they add it. I don't know about that. But yeah, so maybe don't ruin decades of name
01:22:55
recognition and spend millions of dollars doing it. Yeah, after this I posted HBO Go to the polls and that's
01:23:01
good. Good. Thank you. Just to round this back out to the beginning of the episode, that's what the API Pokémon intelligence
01:23:08
felt like. That felt like Google's HBO. Hello, fellow kids. To do that, that's what I was doing as well. And then like
01:23:13
10 minutes later have a Google executive be like, we are like constantly checking to make sure like AI and AGI is like
01:23:20
safe and not going to kill everyone. I was like, then don't make it play Pokemon. Then don't don't include that
01:23:26
part. There's a direct correlation between those two things between Pokemon and AGI. Is there a pause button in this
01:23:32
game? Is there a pause button on a pinball machine? No, Marquez. This is realistic. I don't know how I'm supposed
01:23:38
to get back into this podcast. Pinball. Oh, I am crushing. That's what I'm saying. Still got it. Still got it. I never didn't have it. You're going to have to pause that if you want to participate in trivia. Oh, that's so
01:23:49
important cuz I have so many points right now. It's my first ball. You know what's funny though? I wrote
01:23:55
both my answers already. So, we're good. Yeah, but then we'll see them. Ah, let's go. Yes, let's go. Adam, what was your
01:24:02
score? Just curious. Oh, I have no idea. I closed it already. I had a job to do, Marquez. Some of us, you guys were
01:24:08
talking about Max, which I know nothing about. I fully tuned out all of the HBO Max stuff. I have no idea. Well,
01:24:15
actually, so then nothing changed. Anyway, let's do some trivia. All right, let's do some trivia, guys. During
01:24:21
Google IO, I can't believe I'm going to have to end this game. He's faster. Ellis, guys remember Hyperbowl Plus, the
01:24:29
best Windows game, Windows XP included game. No. Great. All right. So, question number one. During IO, Rajin was talking about baseball and data analytics and
01:24:40
how Google AI, one of the Geminis or whatever Gemas, whatever they're doing, gems, can one of the gems. It wasn't a gem. I don't remember. I frankly don't particularly care.
01:24:52
Um, but one of them was doing some googling about baseball bats and compiling some stats. Nice. What kind of
01:25:00
baseball bat was he collect was he was the AI collecting data on? Can I describe it? No, you can describe the name. In describing it, you will like you should arrive at the name like the
01:25:12
name is a description of it. So, okay. Uh, Marz, are you gonna cover your second answer? Uh, I erased it. Okay. Yeah. Also, you can pause in pinball. You just
01:25:27
don't launch the second ball. Yeah. Well, you have to lose ball, though. So, you lost a life. Yeah, I did. How to
01:25:33
lose a life. Okay. Interesting. David, would you like to go first? Okay. I said center weighted. I'm sorry, David. That is incorrect. That's the description. Like it is a description but the name
01:25:44
was torpedo bat. That is correct. How how is torpedo the description of it looks like a torpedo. Just weight distrib. I put torpedo.
01:25:55
Sorry. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So that is one point for Marquez. Can I appeal? Sure. Yeah. Appeal. It's going to take you We'll see you in court in six months. I was right. All right. Very
01:26:08
good. I'm sorry, David. Center weighted was not the answer we were looking for. middle, but I encourage
01:26:14
you to play again. But before we get to our second question, a quick update on the score.
01:26:24
Andrew, you are still the caboose of this trivia train with 18 points. Exc was that. No, 13 points. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. It's even more dismal than I thought. Marquez, it's even worse than
01:26:36
we thought. Crazy. It's the most points I think I've had in a regular season. That can't be true. No, maybe that's Tony. Anyways, yeah, I Marquez
01:26:48
24 points in his Kobe era. Uh, but perhaps about to exit his Kobe era if he gets this next question right. David, trivia maestro. Let's go. The Mozart of
01:27:01
getting trivia questions right, creating a knowledge symphony with 28 points. Wow. Is that the highest regular season? No. No. No. You guys have been in the 30s before. Yeah. You sure? Wow. He just
01:27:13
might have the biggest lead over third place. But now that we've ever seen. Uh D David's Reign of Terror ends now.
01:27:27
During the live demo when they were fixing the bike, what brand was the bike? A shoot. Told you it was It was
01:27:34
Yeah. Yeah. They were It was a nice Actually, he was not outside. He was inside. He was inside. True. How did he
01:27:40
get? You know what I didn't understand about that? He was in like a bike shop kind of situation. He had like his
01:27:46
garage work. He had like the thing that you put your bike on upside down. He had all the tools. Like expert, but he
01:27:52
didn't know anything about his bike. Maybe it was just a workbench. No, no, no, no, no. All right, flip him and read. What do we got?
01:28:00
Oh, we'd say Schwin. Andrew, I put Trek Marquez. It was a Huffy, right? It was a Huffy. Don't know a bike. Remember that tre is a bike. Okay. Schwin is a bike. Schwin
01:28:13
is a bike. Puffy is a bike. I I have a Trek bike. Donkey. Well, Marquez, congratulations on your 25th point. David, you are still on track to Schwin
01:28:25
this season of trivia. And behind. Anyone else have anything to add before we uh take it home? Adam's like, don't add anything. Marquez,
01:28:36
please take me out. That was great. Fantastic episode. We talked so much. Thank you all for watching and for
01:28:41
listening, for subscribing, of course, as well because we're again, we're going to match. We're going to be lock step with the MKBHD channel over here on
01:28:46
Waveform. Uh, but of course, we'll be back next week on Friday like usual. See you then. Googlio, peace. I'm just imagining we wake up on Monday and we have 20 million subs on the podcast just
01:28:58
so that we can race. That'd be dope. That'd be sick. It will happen. It could. Waveform is produced by Adam and
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