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also I have a theory about this whole thing okay I think Jaguar when they started to make their uh their Rebrand
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this whole thing they've been frustratingly not changing their Target demographic for so long that I think
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that the mission behind this was do absolutely nothing the same as the
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previous cars yeah not the font not the size not the shape not the angle not a
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single thing can be the same as before [Music]
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yo what is up people of the internet welcome back to another episode of the waveform podcast we're your host I'm
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Marquez I'm Andrew and I'm David this is this is back to your regularly scheduled programming I would say officially it
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feels like longer because it's been even longer since we actually recorded cuz we have we physically did yeah we ran it
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back with that uh throwback episode I hope you guys enjoyed it I thought it was great uh sort of Reviving it for the video pod but now well a whole bunch of
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stuff has happened since we get to talk about it again uh we have uh Spotify rra has come out so everyone's talking about
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that also the new Jaguar concept EV is uh revealed we have our thoughts um how
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The Verge is changing and we're going to wrap it up with a game because we just can't get enough of games so all that's happening but first Black Friday and
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Cyber Monday did happen in between the last recording and now did either of you did anybody in this room buy anything I
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actually did yeah me too I was okay well okay okay go go go I don't I don't like
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you know there a lot of the time yeah it's not fun to contribute to
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capitalism and on top of that at this point most Black Friday deals are total right yeah the only thing that
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I posted on Black Friday was a reminder about the Amazon price tracker just to
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keep an eye on so that's the one everyone keeps talking about there's one that I also found that had higher ratings and that seemed to have even
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more information c c um and it's basically just if something says 50% off
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you just you can just check a history and see if it was was just 50% off a day ago before they raised it back to full
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price so they could raise it back down again to say it was 50% off right that sort of thing yeah but what what did you get so unfortunately I am once again
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going through um an existential crisis over two products so I bought both of them nice sounds about right uh I am
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buying a finally a smart lock for my apartment MH currently I my apartment is
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weird because New York apartments are weird my apartment was built in the 1800s and so I have this special lock
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called a mortise lock it doesn't work with most smart locks right so they're all usually what you have to do with
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these is you basically have to get a special lock that just goes over the deadbolt like Turner and it physically
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turns the deadbolt for you as well as in New York City you're not supposed to change the actual lock on the inside of
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your door and so you don't even want to make it look like you have a smart lock on your door otherwise your landlord
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will get really angry at you so I originally bought the switchbot lock Pro
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is this going to get you in trouble talking about it on the podcast you think Aid listener David listen away for
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him just checking I really hope not he's not brought it up but he does live underneath me in my basement okay so uh
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yeah so I got the switchbot lock Pro and then unfortunately because I had searched about switchbot lock Pro I
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heard about this new lock from this existing company that basically does the same thing but it's way faster and it
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runs over matter over thread um as a protocol guy I wanted it more it is
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like double the price but um yeah the switchbot lock Pro currently has to use
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a hub that has to plug into the wall kind of annoying as a translator yeah oh okay yeah so I would rather just have
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something that works over matter so I bought both of them to sort of compare them um just to make sure it works
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because the the second one said it works on UK mortis locks but I don't know if that's the same as mine anyway that's
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what I bought they were both cheaper I did check the price and it was like it was like 30% cheaper than it usually is
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a real discount a real discount hooray for a real discount hooray nice yes Andrew you got something too I bought
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three things oh sort of oh Flex on them when I only want to bring up because David and I had got this conversation
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the other day and it's super related to his I was putting up Christmas decorations after Thanksgiving when it's
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legal um and I bought some new uh I've been using the smart Outlets from mayos
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I think it is yeah they're super simple they're cheap so when I search for more
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to plug in some Christmas lights so they can all just come on and off when I want them to so they can be on all the time for Lane because she loves them I had
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the option to pick two one with matter and one without matter and I picked the
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one without matter because it was cheaper this is a mistake you want to be or do you not
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want to be future proof I don't see these cheap Outlets as something worrying as much about future proofing
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although the ones I have have lasted a very long time but if you have to buy new ones you could have just bought the matter
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ones yes well the difference between the smart outlet and the smart outlet with
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thread sort of matter support isn't as different as the lock where you have something in the wall versus nothing in
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the wall correct so it's like it's worth paying more to not have something in the wall maybe but I don't know if you'd get
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anything out of a smart outlet with threads versus not me I almost only buy it to set schedules on them so I'm never
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really interacting with it that much and turning it on and off it is really cool to be like hey G turn on Christmas and
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all my like Christmas lights come on in the tree and everything so I guess thread would do that a big benefit of
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matter over thread is that it is much faster because it creates its own little local internet and they all talk to each
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other yeah because it doesn't have to go into the internet ping a server come back to you and then say turn on it can
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just like send the signal directly to the device which is a nice benefit but from experience the miros one for me
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takes like 3/4 of a second to turn on yeah but what if it could take one quarter of a second that'll be cool I
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don't know if I pay more for it but it'll be cool it'll be cool yeah uh did De wait hold on hold on that was one out
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of three get out of here okay second one is not really related but still kind of
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related M it wasn't a deal but there's this I'm going to talk about disc golf
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again I'm sorry there's dis golf company where all the discs they make are recycled and they did a week of like
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recycling interesting things to make discs and they made one completely out of iPhone cases so I bought it oh that's
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very cool and I think it's really cool um there was only a few for sale cuz they were doing it more for like a video test but this is officially a disc from
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trash Panda made out of iPhone cases does it suffer from being made out of iPhone cases or should they start making
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all of them out of iPhone no it's probably not as good as some of the other discs but it is pretty it is yeah
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which is cool it's got Flex like a this was my way to incorporate disc golf into our office vaguely
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related but yeah but the big thing that I bought was an iPad Mini whoa wow the
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newest look at that the A7 iPad Mini it was $100 off from Costco yeah and I told
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myself if I could find any reasonable deal for the new iPad Mini whether that was like same price but included a
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pencil or like more than $20 off I would would pull the trigger and I did and
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it's been awesome can you tell the full story behind this iPad mini um I thought I ordered
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silver and the purple is so minuscule that I still kind of thought I had silver but did think there was like a
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setting it up and I was like oh you got the purple one it's the truck that drives by that has uh purple inside of
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and you can just sense it vaguely this is the lroy purple um color uh whispered
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purple in the factory but then yeah Adam was like that's purple and I looked down and I ordered purple I guess I didn't
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realize that was the correct color it looks good the purple's the best color it's a good color but yeah I'm pumped
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I've downloaded so many Google apps onto it which kind of doesn't make sense but funny part of the reason I got it is cuz
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like a bunch of my family has iPhones and FaceTiming them with Lane will just be a little easier to do this at home
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plus it's really nice to just like when I'm sitting on the couch looking at hockey scores or Reddit or that's how
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they get you then suddenly you're going to be using the Apple sports app all of you have that heard's terrible so I'm
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not using that it's it's gotten better yeah okay okay great selling point it does work on uh the iPhone Mini now that
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is that is correct does fact work on the iPhone Mini everyone's told me I'm going to switch to an iPhone now and I've been like no this is kind of like the reason
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that we'll make it so I will never switch to an iPhone cuz it's the couple little things that maybe in my house are
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a little I don't think this is nearly as much of a Gateway device as the U MacBook is so I just think and Android
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tablets aren't fantastic tablets are pointless this is a mini it's not even like I really care traveling and
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watching some like Netflix and stuff on this will be great yeah and sitting on my couch posting in hockey game day
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threads making fun of how bad the Rangers are is going to be way easier on I called iPads the gateway drug to Apple
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I think this is how they slowly get you and pull you in is this how they got you indeed oh there's ways they can get you
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through the iPad you said FaceTime was one of those things and then maybe you're out and this one's cellular or Wi-Fi Wi-Fi so it's Wi-Fi only but like
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what if you're on the go and wanted to FaceTime I have never wanted to FaceTime on the go I I can very sternly say yet
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but you're going to start FaceTiming more you know do any of you guys FaceTime like in the grocery store I don't get that oh no no no I think it's
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a lot of the Zoomers will just FaceTime in public like on I think a lot of the Boomers also the Boomers okay I have
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this theory that Boomers and Zoomers neither of them know how to use technology or know how to do critical
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thinking but only this at DAV the Millennials this has your theory has two
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theories yes they're all wrong or us as Millennials are the wrong ones and everyone everyone else who is wrong it
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is 1:00 somewhere so live the generation that systematically gave away every
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ounce of their data knows how to use technology way to go great it back when the companies were friendly Google's
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motto is don't be evil how was I supposed to know they were going to be evilly there's no way of knowing surprised
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their face got eaten by leopards by the person who voted for the party leopard eating face I have two things to say one
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I almost did buy the 10-in iPad cuz it was always on it was also on sale because the the air or the iPad the
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regular the cheapest the iPad the $420 one or whatever yeah because
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whenever I'm in the coffee shop I often want to use three like three screens and
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I can split Arc in two but I always want a third one like if I'm if I'm I've been
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coding my website recently um and I I need a version of it that is on the page
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that I can refresh the version of it that has like the code in it and then another window open for like researching
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stuff but then I was told by a friend you should just use the three finger swipe gesture on the Mac spaces I
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literally have never used that before gameer and I'm now realizing I should start using that spaces is great yeah
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yeah Apple's going to get rid of that because just realized it lost an iPad sale from it it'll save you a lot of
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money on buying an iPad yeah spaces I use spaces a lot yeah and then my last thing to say just really quickly because
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I mentioned the switchbot pro the other lock I am going to test is the aara Smart Lock u200 so if you have uh
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experience with these locks I would love to know which one that you like better um for renting yeah I just think that's
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a very specific thing in there these are both specifically made basically for renters for
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replace the bolt M yeah so hit him up on Blue Sky hit me up on Blue Sky yeah at David mill.com on so you got you got the
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iPad you got the disc and you got what was the first thing um nonmatter smart
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Outlets exactly okay okay you said nothing right I didn't
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actually buy anything um did did any did anybody over there on that side buy anything for Black Friday I bought two
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things one of them was new joycons because my switch joycon was broken
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we're Nots so like everyone else is buying things I
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need to do something and then on top of that I also got an iPhone this this
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season for uh T the season T the season for those that don't know I've known Adam for a very long time and him and I
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used to cover phones at Android authority and he would come with me sometimes and help me film and every single time we'd go to a briefing he'd
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be like I'm buying this phone I'm like Adam you need to stop I have a problem
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flip phones into other phones so that's what I did what number of phone is that this year three that's it yeah I thought
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you were higher no I'm on three I think he had more last year maybe I'm also on three daily
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drivers this year that I bought with my own money and used yeah so that's I mean in total I've spent zero so I consider
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that a A plus you spent zero on this new iPhone yeah oh that's huge not yet I'm
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going to flip my zold 6 which will cover the price so what what did you sell to get the zold 6
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the zold 6 I had my mom's old iPhone and then my s24
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ultra oh yeah which I also flipped this feels like there is money being spent in
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there there definitely is Tech bro math yeah this is bro math if anyone is doing the math and trying to figure out I'll
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just say my three daily drivers that I spent money on that wasn't a review unit that I use personally in between review
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units this year were the pixel 8 Pro which I got last year and used up to the beginning of this year the Samsung
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Galaxy s24 Ultra which I used for a very long time this year and then the pixel 9
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Pro XL which I've used since it came out from the s24 ultra those are the three phones that I bought with my own money
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that weren't review units now we have multiple of them in the office but those are those are the ones I spent my money
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on so I did buy one thing I I just forgot about it what did you buy I bought a oneyear update plan for a
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software package called resum Arena nice nice is that it do we use no we don't uh
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we did use it uh on the trivia Extravaganza oh last week shout out to
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them then yeah because that trivia extravagan was incredible yeah if you haven't watched that already oh you're
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missing out just watch the first three minutes you're going to want to spoiler I won hey that's really big
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spoiler um oh yeah we got like the beginning of a new season this this episode from SC 00 Z across the board
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right now oh man that's huge for me that's huge for me okay uh what else okay so so that was
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great Cyber Monday was a thing that happened I got 800 emails during those days yeah uh one of those emails was
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that the Verge was announcing a new subscription service we wrote service
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but it's more of like a tier subscription tier they're kind of like splitting it up now sort of how how do you break this
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down because I they it just have they used to just have a free blog that everyone could read and has reported but
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they had a paid newsletter they have a couple newsletters okay so what is happening now yeah so in Prior years a
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few of their reporters had different newsletters based on different things so Alex Heath had a newsletter called
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command line which is sort of about social media companies has has yes sure and that was a paid newsletter paid
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newsletter Tom Warren has one called Notepad that's about Microsoft and Xbox and that kind of stuff um now they are
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doing something where they are introducing something called a dynamic pay wall so it's not a traditional pay
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wall like the Wall Street Journal or the New York Times where you basically can't read anything it's basically like you
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can read most articles but certain articles will be behind the pay wall and then also if they notice that you are
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using the website like a lot a lot they'll start asking you to pay there are still a few things that are going to
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be free forever mhm so they're basically asking hardcore people who use the site
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every day to chip in some money kind of like Wikipedia yeah but Wikipedia doesn't force you to oh they're going to
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force you to sort of yeah after a certain amount of Articles per month if you're like a Verge power
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user they're going to so if they pick up that you're a heavy user they will start restricting yeah because you've read a
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lot of free things yeah okay yeah I think it's really important to put in here before we talk about like how much
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they're charging and everything is the reason of this and it's the reason we've talked about a billion times on this podcast is the more with a and AI search
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stuff and like AI overviews that are pulling from content without pushing to the content to get them
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paid companies and like websites like this are going to start losing money so this is a way they're combating that by
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having subscriptions I mean it's not new to have a subscription on a website that with journalists that's everywhere right
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now and I'm sure a lot of us are subscribed to some sort of like news
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organization or something at some point because it's getting so much harder for journalist to be able to put in a lot of
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time I mean that's definitely part of the reason another reason is that SEO has just completely ruined the internet
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if you don't know what that is it's search engine optimization when you are writing an article if you want to appear
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in Google you have to use certain keywords if youve noticed that a lot of the URL slugs that you uh look at on the
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website that you're on have just like random keywords in the slug extra words it's because they have SEO Specialists
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that help articles rank on Google those are always funny when you like copy and paste something and don't see the whole
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URL and then like your text message just has like words but the annoying thing about this is that it incentivizes
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writing about specific things using specific keywords to like frame things in a specific way just so that Google
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says it's authorative and whatever and it kind of like homogenizes the internet and that sucks it also doesn't guarantee
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a good result when you get it so like a somebody who has all the perfect SEO tastics for titles and by lines and
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quick stuff like that and then you click into it and it's like a g and they're winning because Google lik
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them more but it's notar bringing you the content you're actually or information so if you subscribe uh it
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also gives you access to full text RSS feeds uh as well as a physical copy of
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their magazine about how SEO ruined the internet which is very fun physical physical copy sure yeah so for the
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people that want like physical Goods that's really fun yeah um yeah I think overall this is a this is a very good
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value I think that the Verge in general has de a really Fant ftic job over the years at making a website that people
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still go to because over the last 10 years or so social media sites have just
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become aggregators of news and information and it's not very common anymore to actually go to a physical
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website to read an article and so I personally go to the verge like every
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single day I think that they said that they had a lot of they had a lot of people that go to the website every day
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I think it's like they're one of half a million unique users or something like million
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yeah and they so they've done a really good job evolving over the years already and I think that this Dynamic pay wall
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is a very good in between option because if they completely paywalled the site
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they're stopping themselves from growing and just hoping that they get enough people that pay enough but they're still
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limiting their reader base sorry 55,000 every single day this year right that is
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extremely different numbers though those are vastly different I mean I've been I've been in like deep in the forest where I didn't have data for multiple
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days this year so I'm not one of those people even though I consider myself like a super power user of this website
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so I know you're reading The Verge on that 13 mile hike yeah it is actually
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kind of one of my ticks though like if you're bored in the doctor's office or something like the few things that you do on your phone Verge it up refreshing
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The Verge as one of my things that I do that's pretty funny yeah we didn't mention the price yes so 50 bucks a
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year it's 50 bucks a year we have some experience at that price point um very
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different things s bucks a month though $50 a year
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yeah I'll probably pay I'll I'll bite um so this reminds me of panels a lot of
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things remind me of panels obviously because I I help run panels but the the two things that reminds me most of are
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you're going to get a reaction when you make something paid that was previously free totally get that mhm and it's just
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about whether or not you can justify the value to the people that actually care about that thing so for us it was like
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we have a small pocket of the internet that we see likes art and will pay for art so here's the product we made for
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them and for them here is a probably much larger but a pocket of the internet that will see value in paid journalism
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and pay for it you will get reactions of people who are like a pay wall I'm not reading anymore like that's going to be
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a thing and I totally get that but I do think they've sort of structured it in a way where they can appropriately find
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the people willing by what you were saying that dynamic
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help I do like this Dynamic PW idea cuz there's times where like I hit a
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Bloomberg because there's like one specific article that I really and like paying for that at that point is like I
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don't know if I'm going to come back here again anytime soon so this is like and The Verge is probably one that I
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would get hit with the dynamic pay wall so like I will most likely be paying for the Verge it really that's it's like a
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behavior thing like if I read like I don't here's pure honesty I don't read Bloomberg very much but when Mark Gman
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tweets a link to the thing that he wrote on Bloomberg I'm clicking in and reading Bloomberg that day and if that thing is
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behind a pay wall that my first thought is always I could pay for this one article but I don't think I'm going to re
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Bloomberg that much so never mind now I happen to have an apple News subscription that unlocks it so that's not a dilemma I face very often but I
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feel like a lot of people leave that article at that moment and so the more things that you can have available for
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free the they probably thought a lot about this the more people will trust and read The Verge and become power
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users of The Verge and that's going to be good for them so yeah the other thing that you mentioned which is like the SEO
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uh sort of shaping the actual content and the websites I think about that a
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lot because YouTube is the same way people try to figure out what the algorithm is rewarding and they tailor
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their content around that and it kind of seems like no one is immune to that and I wonder if there are
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YouTube channels that can just make whatever they think is best and ideally the algorithm serves it and if there are
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similarly websites that don't think as much about SEO and just try to make the
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best stuff but I don't know that that's much of a thing anymore I think it's impossible to be completely immune from
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SEO and algorithms um but they are at least trying to make it so it is less
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incentivized by having a monthly Revenue stream so that they have to think about
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that I mean I think everyone's the best practice in it is draw your Line in the Sand of like where will I take like what
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is maybe a best practice and where I'll incorporate that in but I'm not going to lose my initial morals of what we want
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to want to do here so that's probably the best way of doing it and this is going to I mean this is going to help
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them I do think they need like they probably need to do this because if a
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bunch of the Articles they write if you are just ask asking a specific Tech question Google's probably gonna AI
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summary probably Straight From The Verge and they're gonna lose that viewer every sing and you'll break your
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device so yeah I mean I think this is awesome I'm interested to see how Dynamic works I'm interested to see how
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many days until Dynamic pricing hits me and then I will start paying for the Verge another cool thing is if you were
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already subscribed to one of the newsletters those were $70 a year so the day before this dropped a lot of people
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got emails that were like we refunded you $20 from your newsletter subscription like wait what's happening
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and so they actually got money back and got more stuff that's cool which is very cool for those power power users power
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power users yeah so yeah I don't know I think it's um they've been changing really rapidly like every year as the
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internet changes and I'm I'm rooting for them I hope that this works so yeah all
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right well hey there's one more thing that just came out uh this week as we're recording the Spotify Raptors officially out and it was funny because every year
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everybody looks forward to Spotify rap and then it comes out and everyone goes look at my thing look at how much minutes I listen and it's all super fun
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and I every year I think I kind of want to know that about more than Spotify I want to know that about my YouTube watch
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History I want to know that about my life I want I want to know all the I want all the stats don't you want to
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know all the stats store do you go to the most if your car told you how many minutes you were driving it probably
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could your car probably could definitely could so I I kind of I thought about that and I think YouTube Rewind as it
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disappeared had a perfect branding opportunity to bring it back show me what how many channels I watched which
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ones I watched the most how many Scrolls how many how far did my finger travel on my phone to scroll through shorts Tik
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Tok had that it was like you could have made it halfway to the Moon that would be awesome and then I could Flex how far
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I could scroll it would be great um but they didn't do that but what somebody mentioned that was really interesting is
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there is like no switching off of YouTube like someone said oh what is Vimeo going to do watched and then
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people use Vimeo it's like no people just watch YouTube no matter what but Spotify I saw people say that they contined to
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use Spotify because rap is so good and I think that's real that's crazy and they're like I don't want to ruin my
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wrapped if I leave halfway through the year and start using something else so it is that I found that interesting as
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well that it's a competitive Advantage for them Apple music does it now right a very similar thing I believe they do
00:26:17
something they but it's not even nearly as detailed as Spotify Spotify has so
00:26:22
many features in wrapped especially this year they added a bunch of new stuff our podcast at pocketcast does a version
00:26:29
they can't call it wrapped but they do something else that's kind of similar I want that for everything basically yeah
00:26:34
so yeah YouTube would be perfect though we talk about this every single year yeah but it would be so perfect I don't
00:26:41
know why they haven't brought it they literally could keep the YouTube Rewind branding too it's so Neil come on come
00:26:46
on man Neil come on man I feel obligated to tell you for us specifically it
00:26:52
wouldn't be as interesting as you think cuz this morning I downloaded all of my YouTube history and put it in someone
00:26:57
made this app like just on the website if you Google it like YouTube Rewind whatever you put in the Json file and it
00:27:02
tells you what channels you watch the most what videos you watch the most and it's all things that I was researching
00:27:08
for work like it's I would still look that really interesting Marquez MKBHD
00:27:15
W the studio sure all the things I'm looking for boll as a Creator it gives
00:27:20
you uh viewership wrapped they give you like uh here's how many likes your videos got this year here's how many
00:27:26
things you know they'll tell you someu which is kind of cool but yeah I want that for everything yeah so they did add
00:27:33
a lot of new features to WRA this year they really did so we can go through some of them um this year they actually
00:27:39
teamed up with Google and if you remember notebook LM which launched a few months ago that's basically where
00:27:45
you can put some documents into this Gemini thing and they have these uh AI
00:27:51
podcast hosts that basically talk about your files to you and like teach you things or whatever I don't know why
00:27:57
YouTube music didn't use this because that seems like it would have been a better collab but okay and so now you
00:28:04
can have these two podcast host basically just talk for five minutes about the music you listened to in your
00:28:10
year I I did not do it you listen to it yeah it was pretty cringey but here I'll
00:28:16
play I was going to say wait can we just play mine for a second CU I didn't use it yeah like it really gives the classic
00:28:22
um does it play music or it just talks no it just talks okay so we won't get copyright stri we won't get copyright strick oh something went wrong please
00:28:27
try again later also AI content cannot be copyrighted anyway I'm in airplane mode that's why okay oh am I still on
00:28:33
the Wi-Fi though no I I turn on airplane mode to to not have it interfere with
00:28:39
the mic okay wrapped your WRA AI
00:28:44
podcast okay let's unwrap this it's time for your 2024 Spotify wrapped and we're
00:28:51
your hosts visiting from Google notbook LM we here to take you on a musical
00:28:56
journey through year yeah your year in sound and what a journey it has been
00:29:03
37,1 2016 minutes listening to music wow that's like listening to your entire wrapped playlist non-stop for over six
00:29:10
days that is amazing that puts you in the top 8% of Spotify listeners globally
00:29:15
you are dedicated very dedicated you must really love music June 20th must been that is just
00:29:22
likeing you over but it's so much worse than I thought it was going to be gets into personal things June 20th was your
00:29:29
most listened day 300 minutes were you road tripping that day and most people go back on their calendar like wow I was
00:29:34
and it's like you you learn something about your music listening history and it's kind of cool that it sounds like
00:29:39
people talking about it I thought that was terrible I think people are going to be into it yeah I don't think it felt like a real conversation at all I don't
00:29:47
I think it felt close enough that people would enjoy it because it sounds like it's a podcast about them it's just good
00:29:52
enough to be there and they're not going to share it they're not going to you know post it anywhere but they listen
00:29:58
and be like oh yeah cool people like personalized things and yeah uh so they
00:30:03
also added this new playlist that you can listen to they have a music Evolution playlist that basically brings
00:30:09
you through your music taste as the year progressed so like your top songs per month and then they have like your
00:30:15
overall top songs as well uh and then they released some Global stats which are not at all surprising and extremely
00:30:22
boring that the most streamed artist was Taylor Swift and then the weekend and then Bad Bunny and then Drake and then
00:30:29
Billy ish does the weekend still make Amad he released a new album I haven't
00:30:36
heard of from the weekend and I lit had the same conversation did you okay I thought you were making fun of me when
00:30:41
you started laughing I haven't heard of him since the Super Bowl because he was saying how good the album was and I was
00:30:46
like he has a new album I have nothing wrong I have nothing against the weekend I just
00:30:52
haven't seen him since the Super Bowl I just forget about the first half of the year at this point like it might come out a while ago and I just don't
00:30:57
remember H the GIF of him like looking through things and it's Andrew looking for the weekend
00:31:02
album uh also the most string song was espresso uh which by the way there is a
00:31:08
great today explained episode about how this was basically manufactured so but
00:31:13
how it's the most played song Yeah because it basically was autop playing after like anything you would play for a
00:31:18
long period of time and they were basically like yeah the music group paid to have that happen uh I think I've
00:31:25
heard that song definely you cannot go you've definitely heard that song we've played it in the office I'm pretty sure
00:31:30
it's a it's a great song probably heard it it's a good song um most streamed album is Taylor Swift's tortured poets
00:31:37
department is the name of the album yeah it's pretty okay I'm not a Swifty so this is news to me cool uh and the top
00:31:44
podcast was The Joe Rogan Experience I guess that would be fair for Spotify to declare that wouldn't it yeah but I did
00:31:51
some research I actually did some independent um Research into that and I found out that they were fudging the
00:31:57
numbers and it's actually waveform oh oh cuz waveform I've heard of yeah yeah
00:32:02
right and if you haven't heard of it then it doesn't exist and they just had their big trivia Extravaganza and they just did this like huge rerun that
00:32:08
everyone was listening to obviously that checks out I will say a lot of people um tweeted at us and we're like the Spotify
00:32:15
rap thing is unfair because I watch the Youtube podcast every single week yeah that's true but it's not on my Spotify
00:32:21
yeah interesting if you do listen on Spotify and haven't watched Spotify wrapped I think there's a special little
00:32:27
treat if we're your number one true you don't even have to be the number one cuz you can go through all the little but I I
00:32:33
saw that and I so I don't listen to podcast much on Spotify but that was for
00:32:38
artists is there a podcast one where you can search through all your podcast things good question yeah there is so there might not be there is and you have
00:32:45
to be in the top x% or of that artist listeners I believe and then you might
00:32:51
see something special well I had Sugar Ray on there so so did I told your millennials our
00:32:59
Peak we give you our data and we listen to Sugar a and it's a good time all right this is your opportunity if you
00:33:05
had a YouTube wrapped what do you think would be in it God whether it's a
00:33:11
channel let's just do mostat channel for 2025 single Channel single channel that
00:33:17
you think you watch the most of 2025 2024 thank you that's why we ain't
00:33:22
running it mine's probably The Daily Show I'm gonna go first which I feel bad about but yeah I think my most watched
00:33:30
channel of 2024 is a channel called ants Canada I've heard of
00:33:38
thatt Canada I know mine is is this guy who doesn't live in Canada 6 and half
00:33:45
million has like this giant rainforest fium that's like almost self- sustaining
00:33:50
he has to like add stuff every now and then and the only reason it's my mostat channel is cuz he puts out a 40-minute
00:33:55
video multiple times a week that I watch all of every single time this dude is
00:34:01
like the master of taking something I could not possibly care about which is bugs and making me just like care so
00:34:09
deeply about his bugs every one of his thumbnails is the exact same thumbnail he's crazy he he is so algorithmically
00:34:17
cranked and like to just be a retention maxing psychopath but um a war broke out
00:34:24
in my giant rainforest vivarium but if you want to watch some sick sick content there's a there's
00:34:31
a a crocodile in there wow I know it's a crazy bavarium
00:34:37
anyway I found mine thank you ants Canada for making my year his video called my fire ants are planning an
00:34:43
escape has 46 million views long video it is a 15minute video
00:34:49
dude you gotta everyone should go watch ants Canada it's it's sick what the next most vied video is I
00:34:56
gave fire a chicken head and it's a dead chicken with fire ants eating it Jesus
00:35:04
cockroach giving birth while being devoured by fire ants 15 million look it's lit it's lit I don't
00:35:11
know what to tell you guys I think we should an all right who's next Adam
00:35:18
unhinged I had one very recently um that you put me on to it was epic Spaceman oh
00:35:25
I just he already turned into your most watch that was like two weeks ago dude there's like 10 videos I watched them
00:35:31
all like twice yeah they're already I was just sitting in bed next next did you have a favorite one I think my
00:35:38
favorite one was I forget which video it was but the analogy he used was the solar system on your fingertips mhm it's
00:35:46
like that is the scale compared to the continental United States it was like it was crazy yeah Scale of the Universe
00:35:52
videos are that's a genre that I definitely watch a lot of I would say that's a good one um I think though mine
00:36:00
actually I watched a lot of uh YouTube golf this year there was just a lot of good stuff happening and the thing about
00:36:05
YouTube golf is there's a lot of collabs and there's a lot of really long videos because around golf takes a long time
00:36:12
and they just watch they just film the whole thing so like good good golf will'll do a a a match play event or
00:36:18
something a 2v2 and it'll be an hour and a half video and I'll watch it and I'll be eating and I'll finish what I'm
00:36:24
eating and I'll just watch the rest of it it's just two hours right there so uh I'd say yeah YouTube golf in general one
00:36:31
of those one of those channels whether it's gr or or GM Golf or something like that they they were killing it this year
00:36:36
yeah mine's also golf dis golf that's like all I watch on YouTube
00:36:43
videos probably they're pretty long they're a little more cut down like 25 minutes maybe I think the only reason
00:36:49
banza disc golf is probably the most because he just posted so much and like every single day I could basically watch
00:36:55
some but yeah that's if you like dis golf you probably know who he is already though so it doesn't really matter yeah
00:37:02
how about you I unfortunately just drown myself in political commentary in the evenings oh yeah and don't really watch
00:37:08
a lot of did something happen this year regular YouTube uh no no oh okay but um
00:37:15
yeah that's kind of it I don't know there's a like there's probably a few new channels that I've found this year
00:37:20
yeah I just went through my YouTube subscription Tab and just just like can you sort by recently subscribed that I
00:37:27
don't don't think you can do but you can go to the list of subscriptions and I think it's in recency order I might be
00:37:34
wrong about that but uh I thought Lista when you did it it's most recent new oh no oh yeah it's new activity not most
00:37:42
recently subscribed gotcha yeah some good stuff hey we we have talked a lot
00:37:47
without taking a break we should take a quick break when we come back we have obviously a game to play and some other news to cover but this begins a new
00:37:56
season of waveform trivia 00
00:38:04
heyo welcome back to another season of waveform trivia we don't know which
00:38:10
season we really don't a new season we lost track so long ago but uh we've got
00:38:18
some piping hot questions uh the first of which is uh so we were talking about
00:38:24
cyber monday earlier we all love Cyber Monday what was the first year where the Monday
00:38:30
after Thanksgiving was referred to as Cyber Monday and we're doing prices right rules oh closest without going
00:38:38
over over being later chronologically okay 1855
00:38:45
1855 yeah when uh who's President it doesn't matter
00:38:52
uh is that right no no minus one point for Mar guys we all have zero umt Hoover
00:38:59
and we'll about it I love the idea of the term Cyber Monday predating the invention of the computer that would be
00:39:05
awesome that Beck the internet came after it refers to the the the mahogany
00:39:11
wood of the Cyber tree like now we will we will think about that that's a good one and uh answers
00:39:18
will be at the end like usual we'll be right back [Music]
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form all right welcome back so a little bit of throwback but also return to today SL this week Jaguar wow Jaguar did
00:42:04
a thing again you remember like two or three episodes ago when we reacted to that ad that they came out with I
00:42:11
actually think we had some pretty interesting Nuance thoughts about like what Jaguar could be up to anyway they've announced and unveiled
00:42:20
now a concept car to go with this new rebranding effort that they're going
00:42:26
through and how do I say this it's gotten some reactions because it's very unique
00:42:33
looking I think red flag immediately is announcing that we're first going to see a new car at Miami art
00:42:40
week there was never going to be anything good coming out of announcing something at Art week I don't even know
00:42:45
what Miami art week is but there's so many different car shows and like events
00:42:51
yes however most if not all luxury car brands have stopped exhibiting at those
00:42:58
worldwide anyway um like like Aston Bentley like they all only exhibit new
00:43:04
cars at like yacht shows now because they know that's where people who would spend the money on that like okay yeah
00:43:10
so it does fit into an industry practice also I was going to say can we start calling it The Cyber Jag yeah it doesn't
00:43:17
yeah can we should we describe this car for audio listeners yeah so okay first of all first of all first of all first of all it's a concept car this is not a
00:43:24
real car that has a price tag or any specs or anything like that that this is a concept car so it's a design that
00:43:29
Jaguar is unveiling to associate with their new rebranding image that's number one so this isn't a real car but it's called the type z00 and this concept has
00:43:37
no door handles no rearview mirrors all the classic not real car stuff however
00:43:42
they could ship a car that looks similar to the silhouette which I would describe as a cyber loafer so let's get into it
00:43:49
it's I think rocket League car rocket League car is good it's kind of a Hot Wheel sort of big wheels long Hood low
00:43:57
sloping roof line two doors um extremely long front really
00:44:04
really it looks like a cyber truck and a Lincoln had a child yeah and was pink
00:44:10
and was pink yeah there's so they've had this Flagship pink version there's a couple other colors that they've shown
00:44:15
in renders but the pink one is the one that we have footage of Miles got some good footage of it uh for
00:44:21
autofocus and it is a full electric car that's the other thing so no tail pipes it'll have a battery down there and this
00:44:27
is part of Jaguar's huge again they're rebranding as a company but they're also sort of rebooting as a car company and
00:44:35
are just making EVS now or are they plan to so here's what they said they said type z00 is the name references both
00:44:42
zero emissions and its position as the first in a new lineage so are we assuming lineage is the complete path or
00:44:50
this is just a new tree branch that's falling off TBD so like this is the first new thing in a while and does that
00:44:56
mean they are stopping making their other cars probably not but I anticipate they will make more electric stuff after
00:45:03
this this is just the first one the flagship one the concept one to start it off the interior uh looks like a lot of
00:45:10
those CES Concepts the most CES ass thing I've ever seen there's I don't think I see any uh armrests or door
00:45:18
handles or or pedals but there is a steering wheel and there's two seats and a bunch of modern materials and Sleek
00:45:23
lines and LEDs and screens the last time I saw an interior like this was a at CES
00:45:28
it was like the BMW what was that like kind of small hatchback car we filmed oh the not the
00:45:36
eqx X no it was like a a I mean probably like 2020 when we went or 2019 and the
00:45:42
interior looked like this and you sat in the back and I filmed you and you're like okay let's get the other side and they're like don't scoot Across The
00:45:47
Middle's a piece of cardboard yeah it was it was yes it's so this there's this
00:45:53
thing that a lot of car companies do where they will build on one hand a function prototype of a car and on the
00:45:58
other hand they will build a a design finished version of the car and then
00:46:03
they will sort of meet in the middle after some years of development so if they want to show people what the car will look like they'll build a
00:46:09
non-functioning but aesthetically accurate version of the car and they'll show that off at the car shows and
00:46:14
Fashion Week or whatever and you can even open the door and sit in it but it doesn't drive and please don't sit in
00:46:20
the middle and don't pull the steering wheel too hard because this thing is glued together and then they have a
00:46:25
functional prototype which which is okay we have the battery we have the stuff and it's just not it doesn't look like
00:46:31
the car is supposed to look that's kind of how this works wasn't there a Hummer EV we got way before production where
00:46:37
they're like this version you have to park it in the shade cuz like the steering wheel might melt or something
00:46:43
they said yeah like the paint I think it was I think it was like the glue that was holding on some of the like um yeah
00:46:49
yeah we have I've I've done videos about cars in various parts of the stage I remember back in the Faraday Future Days
00:46:55
I got to do one with both it had they showed me the the driving prototype separately from the aesthetic prototype
00:47:03
and I got to see okay now imagine if they were the same car that's kind of how it goes um this one is just yeah
00:47:08
Jaguar's aesthetic concept some people kind of like it I
00:47:14
don't know if it has the strongest sentiment score right now but it's out there it's different it's definitely
00:47:20
different I think that's what they're going for I think it's easy to go diff different in a concept car is like let's
00:47:26
get everyone talking about us and now like it's probably going to look way less pink yeah or like standing out from
00:47:35
a crowd I don't know how to say like purposely a head turner a head be like what is that and then when I turn my
00:47:41
head back I would be laughing it's interesting because that's so I wonder about this the cybertruck
00:47:48
kind of went through the same thing online was one reaction and in person was a totally different reaction and I'm
00:47:54
reading all the online reactions and it's very slant in One Direction but I think if you drove this thing into a shopr parking lot right now people walk
00:48:00
over and be like oo what is this this looks cool tell me about this how much is it like I think this would get that
00:48:07
so I don't know it's it's gonna have to have a price tag eventually like they're gonna have to sell a real car someday
00:48:12
but yeah also I have a theory about this whole thing okay I think Jaguar when they started to make their uh their
00:48:18
Rebrand this whole thing they've been frustratingly not changing their Target demographic for so long that I think
00:48:24
that the mission behind this was do absolutely nothing the same as the
00:48:30
previous cars not the font not the size not the shape not the angle not a single
00:48:36
thing can be the same as before yeah I think that was the mission because the old brand doesn't really tell you tell
00:48:43
young people anything like young people have no perception of what the Jaguar
00:48:49
brand meant to them at all so because of that they're like well young people know
00:48:55
the name Jaguar they know it's a car brand but they don't have any association with what that means so
00:49:01
they're able to like Leverage the existing brand brand name but they can give it a completely new identity and
00:49:07
not really ruin anything that's fair so I'm trying to see if there's any other specs because there was an event and
00:49:13
there was a a CEO on stage and I think they said something about 1,000 horsepower so I just want to find it why is the hood so big for the Vibes
00:49:20
Aesthetics I don't know there are car frunk that would be like a huge frunk be
00:49:27
coffin frunk it'd be like a hot tub frunk that would be sick okay so there
00:49:32
is a little bit of spec talk for this concept car okay uh The Grand Tour will
00:49:38
have will have a wltp range of 478 miles that seems like a lot and
00:49:43
probably will not happen that's cuz it's wtp it's wtp but it's also probably not going to happen but hey we will see uh
00:49:49
there's no word on the battery capacity required to achieve this there's uh but a charging speed of 200 Mi added in 15
00:49:55
minutes with the right charg is another one of the promises it will be at least
00:50:01
$125,000 is which is about double the price of the average Jaguar transaction but again
00:50:08
this is all new um and is there a date okay I'm looking for a date I thought the last
00:50:14
time we read this it said end of 2026 okay I remember the date we were
00:50:21
saying was quite a ways out from yeah Jaguar said it would end production of
00:50:26
all internal combustion cars by early 2026 no sorry no no uh this this year oh
00:50:34
I don't remember dang wait sorry I'm reading this too fast the on sale date of the new Jaguar has been delayed by a
00:50:41
year and having said it would end production of all internal combustion engine cars this year they said it this year but not by this year oh um that
00:50:48
this car will come out sometime after that interesting that was a lot of ways of saying we have no idea where this car
00:50:55
is coming out yeah yeah yeah yeah you know it's a concept car so I think I take all these things a little bit more lightly but at least we have uh an
00:51:02
aesthetic now different it is different it's different I will give it that I know think it looks horrible they could
00:51:07
finish rendering it it might look sweet yeah did two passes some huge need
00:51:13
about 8,000 more passes it has like a Rolls-Royce type of characteristic going on I think cu the like the Spectre
00:51:20
remember the Spectra I like has a little bit of that too yeah I don't hate it
00:51:25
I'll say that we shall see cool in other car news people have been begging Tesla to
00:51:33
make an Apple Watch version of their app for literally a zillion years serious question have they yes okay okay yeah
00:51:41
moving on um I have been it makes sense yeah and it's like yeah it very much
00:51:47
makes sense so last week this is probably related actually it's definitely related last week Tesla
00:51:53
pulled a Reddit and started charging a bunch of money for their API which
00:51:59
basically forced a bunch of third party Tesla apps to shut down of which I did yet not even know that there were third
00:52:05
party test Labs but there apparently were and they were very popular there were a few one of the most popular ones
00:52:10
uh the person that is developing it stated it would CA cost them $1 million a year to keep running it so yeah they
00:52:18
basically sherlocked it because with this holiday update that they do every year they released an Apple Watch
00:52:23
version of the app you can have phone key access which means you can walk up to it and it'll unlock give you charge
00:52:30
stats you can pop the frunk remotely warm the car you can view dash cam and Sentry mode recordings from your phone
00:52:37
and save them quickly remotely which is pretty huge you can also now set an
00:52:42
arrival energy which lets you tell the car how much power you want to have when you arrive so that it dynamically
00:52:48
changes how long you should charge at the super chargers which is useful I drove to Pennsylvania this
00:52:54
weekend and uh I got there at extremely cold extremely middle of the woods with
00:53:00
10% charge remaining on my car and I was fairly nervous luckily I was able to plug in my car to the house again it
00:53:07
still only added like 133% but if I hadn't been able to do that that would have been scary so that would have been
00:53:12
useful uh and then there's some other improvements so yeah at least there's an Apple watch now those all sound great
00:53:19
it's funny that you say they pulled a Reddit because Reddit pulled a Twitter and we've just gone full circle at this
00:53:25
part good point everything's copying X that's crazy that's crazy yeah yeah uh Mercedes
00:53:33
also released an Apple Watch app this week so which is nice seems like everyone's getting on it Subaru 2 well
00:53:39
they already had one right no for Apple watch their phone app sucks there's no
00:53:45
way it's and they don't have Key phone key entry that I know of don't not in the app not a lot of cars do there's
00:53:52
only a few that do like the poar did which is nice oh just a few you if you do it and it's convenient the watch key
00:53:59
that's very convenient yeah you're just wearing a watch you walk up to the car and rivan should do that cuz they have that bracelet which kind of wants to do
00:54:05
the same thing but I don't want to wear an extra bracelet like if it's just on my watch it would be sweet if they did
00:54:11
it for Garmin also rivan coming from someone who doesn't own rivan but if a
00:54:17
Garmin if you're not driving your rivan how else will people know you of a rivan if you're not wearing the special
00:54:23
bracelet that's true it's fair you just have a Patagonia on neck tattoo
00:54:30
yeah fleece you exclaim I'm from Colorado
00:54:36
anywhere you go I saw I saw two rivan
00:54:42
r1ts driven by people who did not know each other like next to each other at a
00:54:47
red light when I was in Detroit and I was how do you know they didn't know each other because I saw cuz they turned onto the red light from separate
00:54:52
directions um and I was like they might have known each other yeah you didn't know that in Detroit those two people
00:54:59
are listening right now and they were like I don't know my brother that would have to be like a coordinated meet up
00:55:04
that' be sick they when was this this was during Thanksgiving right both live in the same town going to the other a
00:55:11
different family member's house yeah definitely no cuz this was in downtown Detroit no one lives
00:55:16
there I don't know enough about Detroit to continue this story I just want you to be wrong Detroit
00:55:22
is Detroit is cold this time of year and I think an all whe Drive e makes sense in Detroit and I see it was cold and
00:55:31
having four-wheel drive electric torque grip helps boy does it it helps that's
00:55:37
crazy well yeah the other thing about being in Detroit because last time I was there I was close enough to GM's HQ that
00:55:43
you would just see tons of random new GM vehicles and kind of wonder if these
00:55:48
people all are testing them or if they work for GM driving company Vehicles it's just kind of a Vibe where like they
00:55:54
are all over the city something I noticed I hope I never go back anyway um we're sorry people of
00:56:03
Detroit it was way outside of Detroit it was really miserable to get there oh um
00:56:08
yeah okay so yeah great they have the the Apple watch apps for the for the cars you can get into your car shout out
00:56:14
to the people with those new cars great cool you want to do trivia again yeah let's do it yeah trivia
00:56:21
time that way better uh uh uh trivia dude so Jaguar isn't only the name of a
00:56:29
car company it's also the name of a cat it's also a big cat specifically and the processor inside the PS4 Pro the Jaguar
00:56:37
processor inside the PS4 Pro was made by what [Music] company Get Wrecked it'd be sick it was
00:56:45
made by Jaguar we're pivoting it's really
00:56:51
slow wow okay yeah I didn't know it was called Jaguar that's I didn't know that either
00:56:57
well I'll make a guess and that'll be at the end like usual we'll be right
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Let's Go Places all right welcome back to our third and final segment and video listeners video listeners video Watchers
01:00:03
have already noticed something's different so audio listeners let me just fill you in Ellis is sitting where
01:00:09
Andrew is sitting let's go and Andrew is sitting where Ellis was
01:00:15
sitting I thought I was smart so this must mean something's happening Andrew
01:00:21
explain take it away so we have a little game to play this game is 100% stolen
01:00:27
from a podcast I was listening to the other day so shout out the grip loock podcast it's a disc golf podcast but I thought it was pretty fun and I thought
01:00:32
it could be turned into a tech thing okay so explaining this it's a little complicated I will try my best the goal
01:00:40
of this game MH is you guys want to find the most expensive thing sold on eBay in
01:00:46
the category that we are going to give you the way it works is we're going to have three rounds in each round you have
01:00:55
a set number number of keywords you're allowed to use so we're going to do the first round you have three keywords the second round you have four keywords the
01:01:01
fifth round you have five keywords so what I'm going to do is I'm going to give you a category you are going to give me three words in the first round
01:01:07
to type into eBay to try and find the most expensive item being sold on eBay
01:01:13
okay but are we we're not allowed to order our search results by no no you guys aren't going to go on eBay at all
01:01:18
so what's going to happen is I'm going to give you the category you are going to tell me the three words to type in I
01:01:24
will type them in and then I'll tell you to pick a number number between 1 and 10 and I will pick that in the sold listing of eBay does that make sense oh I think
01:01:31
so why isn't that just kind of chaotic wait so we give you the keywords yeah so
01:01:38
you're going to give us a category sure so I'm going to give you an example here okay here's the other twist okay once a
01:01:43
keyword's used it cannot be used Again by anybody okay I think I'm starting to understand I get to use military okay oh
01:01:50
no here's so here's an example uhuh Adam and I thought of if the category is
01:01:55
computers and you have three keywords someone might tell me to type in MacBook Pro M4 okay so I'm going to type in
01:02:02
MacBook Pro M4 I'm going to go to the sold things under that search and then I'll say pick a number between one and
01:02:08
10 you pick three I pick the third listing and I say that sold for $500 okay so you have 500 it's just random if
01:02:15
Marquez uses a keyword I can't use none of you can use keywords so no one at that point can use MacBook Pro or M4 for
01:02:22
the rest of all of the rounds I have one more really annoying question good can a
01:02:28
keyword be like a compound or does it have to be like literally a single word you can you give me an example
01:02:36
MacBook no okay because then they'll steal it MacBook MacBook is one worder
01:02:42
like if they like yeah like like for example like a keyword could be what's something that I would never
01:02:48
use you're thinking of claw grip or like something that has that's generally you
01:02:54
can't tell me like heard throwing all of them with no spaces counts as one word and you know eBay will fix it that you
01:03:01
cannot do we'll do okay so we'll start I think the first round will be a good introduction into it you get one keyword
01:03:07
for each round but you're losing all of the keywords people have used I get it okay so the category for all three
01:03:13
rounds is just phones we're searching for phones being sold on eBay they have
01:03:18
to be a singular phone it can't be a lot of phones so if for some reason the one
01:03:24
you pick like if you pick number three and it comes up and it's like 10 iPhones I'll just pick the one after it that's a
01:03:30
singular iPhone uh does this make sense to everybody how many I'm giving you three keywords for the first one's going
01:03:36
to be three okay can so okay can I go first well you guys can decide who goes
01:03:41
first yeah is it just in order or do we use we should we should have some sort of fair fair determination I have a
01:03:47
number written down on my computer right now okay okay whoever gets closest without going over goes first between
01:03:53
without going over between zero and 20 between without going over
01:03:59
yes 16 seven Ellis what is your number I'm I'm I'm looking into his soul I know
01:04:06
this man so well 15 15 I know him so well that I know for a fact he picked the number
01:04:14
four the winner is Marquez damn the number was 14 I knew it wow when we got
01:04:21
the four right exactly that's that's what I'm saying so it's Marquez goes first all right then Ellis then
01:04:28
David so I want to Max I want the highest price phone yeah just real quick
01:04:34
three keywords you're going first so you can say anything we'll say the word phone can be used by anyone as many
01:04:40
times as they want if you want that to be one of your keywords okay
01:04:46
goldplated new that's it and gold plated I assume is two words
01:04:53
okay hold on I'm gonna it needs to bring up a phone I'm not putting it in the category and if it's
01:04:59
not going to okay so phone is oh I see I see go play a new phone that's four yeah
01:05:05
but didn't you say you could use phone as many times as you want it counts as one of your words though well I would argue goldplated as one keyword that's
01:05:11
what I was hoping that's kind of what I was goldplated phone gold new phone how about just gold new phone gold new phone
01:05:20
yeah now it's not going to be goldplated so I need to think what number to pick which one would be number gold cuz like
01:05:27
the first one is just going to be a phone with like a cheap phone with like a gold case or something I want I want to pick like the give me the number four
01:05:35
just put some dollar signs in there okay so dollar dollar uh oh I'm going to give you
01:05:43
number five because four isn't a phone okay number four is two Angry Bird
01:05:50
plushes how so does that count or does that no I'm just going to give him I'm always going to go one down if it's not
01:05:56
inside of the category I want this to still be Tech related and still show Tech things so you have an Apple iPhone
01:06:02
13 Pro Max just in Gold it's not goldplated but still good sold for
01:06:09
$690 nice okay they listed this at600 Max iPhone 13 Pro Max one terab
01:06:17
what was the price 69 all right so that's pretty good guys I hate to Brak it to you I secretly suspect that I'm
01:06:23
about to be the berry bonds of this game up ridiculous numbers yesterday Adam and I went over this we went back and then
01:06:30
you two were looking at stuff on eBay and D like you have to search the sold function of it and we're like talking
01:06:36
about this and Adam and I were just staring at each other did you know how to do it yeah okay I've always done that yeah all right
01:06:43
um will you let me use inbox as one keyword that's what I said yesterday
01:06:50
that was my example it's two words that's two words okay then I'm going to my first word is going to be mint
01:06:56
my second word is going to be original and my third word is going to be mothering iPhone that was my
01:07:04
exact example that's pretty all right the original iPhone that's pretty insane
01:07:10
number one could strike out with a number oh no I didn't like that look I did not like that look that was
01:07:17
bad iPhone 15 Pro Max original silicone case no $15 that's not a pH oh it's a
01:07:24
phone in a casee it's not in a case it's still a tech related the other thing was an Angry Bird plushy okay what's what
01:07:31
was number two I'm going all the way down to try and find a phone here we go okay you can
01:07:37
buy an original iPhone 2g for $23 good luck Barry bombs Barry bombs
01:07:44
didn't always hit a home run he whiffed a few and then he cranks them out of the park you still got time you know one of
01:07:50
the most famous people from my high school was the personal trainer for Barry Bonds that's the easiest job in the
01:07:56
world so the analogy is that I'm about to be your personal trainer wait hold on
01:08:02
I let's real quick before you do that I think the case should have counted because it's still phone related and in
01:08:08
the phone category so well no no so let's just go from now on if it's in within the phone category because you
01:08:14
have to be specific about what you're searching for here and vag doesn't always help can I just sayir pixel
01:08:22
9fold and number three all of those none of those words have been used yet pixel
01:08:27
9 fold okay and number three three David one it's going to be used one with a
01:08:33
broken screen you got pretty unlucky here Frick Google pixel fold 52
01:08:39
gigabytes $173 you ninefold well yeah somebody put that in
01:08:45
their tags probably just a pixel fold came up right above that was
01:08:52
$1,300 so that was a great choice unlucky guess eBay search engine is bad
01:08:58
I think that's part of the chaos of this game that's part of how SEO results change the content okay that's true
01:09:04
that's a good point that's a direct example can you update with score this hurt first round I'll take that point
01:09:09
though I can't believe I wasted mint it's not a point it's all of these go together oh oh the most money spent at
01:09:17
the end is the winner oh you so far I almost I just got
01:09:22
$23 no you got $15 so after the first round in first with $690 for his gold
01:09:30
new phone is Marquez $1 17361 goes for the pixel 9fold which is
01:09:38
actually just a pixel fold it was $73 $ 17361 that's a cheap pixel full it was
01:09:44
damaged it's damaged and in dead last for now is
01:09:51
Ellis with $15.59 with the words mint original I phone I really thought I had it boys so
01:09:57
now you cannot use any of those words moving forward okay I'll try to remember all right so for fourth category back do
01:10:03
you want to go back to Marquez or do you want to snake it and have David start on this one we can snake it I think snaking
01:10:08
it's the more fair way okay David start you have four keywords for this round oh
01:10:13
and it's still phones still we're going to do phones the whole way through okay oh still phones still
01:10:19
phones okay you have less words to say but you have one more word to enter into
01:10:24
the search okay and iPhone is used correct
01:10:31
Frick yeah it's a lot of resell right there that one word
01:10:39
um new Apple wait new is already used mhm oh
01:10:45
okay damn rest okay sorry wake up Apple one
01:10:52
terabyte 5G that's it oh four sorry four you get
01:10:57
four oh but you can say phone as many times as you want phone wait well we get four now
01:11:04
that wake up Ellis that might work wait so just this is how I'm typing it in I'll let you
01:11:10
guys be the judge of this I cuz I'm counting phone as a keyword right so I have apple one TB as a okay 5G phone
01:11:18
yeah cool I agree I think that that should be number two oh no no yeah this Apple iPhone 13
01:11:26
Pro Max 1 tab green $635 okay not bad well played could
01:11:31
have been worse there you go yeah but that was a great you are you were guaranteed 500 up to like 800 but you
01:11:40
were not striking out on that search good so one TV is used yeah and if you use 512 I'm all right all right now
01:11:48
we're going to we're going to we got to pull out some big bucks here so I'm going I think there's one y'all are
01:11:53
missing so far Huawei trifold
01:12:00
unlocked that's exactly what I was talking about and for my fourth word I
01:12:07
choose phone fun
01:12:12
mate XT is it is the trifold a mate yeah mate XT mate XT I shouldn't have told
01:12:19
you that yeah take mate or XT I think oh are they they're two words yeah Huawei
01:12:24
trifold unlocked mate interesting order but yeah I send it send it send it order
01:12:30
doesn't matter an just kind of goes oh I got to give you a number now you do yeah this is a real Lottery 14
01:12:38
three I like never pick one I picked three in it it shot me in the face I like this
01:12:44
5, $599 go you got a cash register sound in
01:12:51
there shut sh that was good that was really good thank you thank you wow unlocked that was a you right Marquez I
01:12:57
shouldn't have given you Bond strikes out but boy when he hits when he connects that thing is that's for real
01:13:04
okay wow unlocked okay I can't use new I can't use
01:13:10
$5,000 okay yeah here we go here we go has to be phones phone category think they're on eBay I'm gonna take a wild
01:13:17
swing because I don't know if these are on eBay okay um now who had the moon
01:13:23
everything's on eBay um was uh not Escobar the can we even catch
01:13:29
upav I haven't searched that deep into this so maybe okay I'm gonna try dang
01:13:36
caviar iPhone we can't do iPhone caviar
01:13:43
verified um we used original already yeah yes you did yeah you did caviar
01:13:50
verified I think I have I have to say phone and 512 GB yeah what number what
01:14:02
number number two
01:14:07
okay so it's not a caviar phone but you somehow hacked into still getting
01:14:13
iPhones so it's an Apple iPhone well I think caviar only made iPhones right I do I do think so so Apple iPhone 15 Pro
01:14:21
512 for $787 made a dent in Ellis's lead but that's
01:14:28
okay just out of curiosity were any of those none of them are the actual caviar they're all
01:14:34
iPhones yeah no cavar phones how else am I going to get five grand so after round
01:14:39
two that's what I'm wondering do you guys want to know your totals or just the totals okay so so far Marquez has
01:14:48
$1,477 Ellis has $ 5,614 59
01:14:55
David has $88.6 ell is far in the lead one round
01:15:02
remaining I who will win anything that happen I wonder so five five five five
01:15:08
keywords phone still counts and still has to be a phone you want us to go over all the ones or we'll just tell you if
01:15:14
it's still has to be a phone yeah just tell me if we phone category I'll say and now we start with Ellis uh we start
01:15:21
with Marquez again oh yeah snake back it just goes back and oh so it has to be a and I need to find a phone that's
01:15:27
selling right now for $5,000 to take a lead over Ellis and
01:15:32
have a buffer for when he gets something 5,000 so the mate XT well it doesn't it doesn't have to be selling right now cuz
01:15:39
it's it's purchase listings I don't know how sold works I assumed it was more
01:15:44
recently yeah sold
01:15:49
okay um and I kind of want to stretch the definition of a phone but that might not work
01:15:56
I oh no um let's
01:16:02
go industrial working industrial working you looking
01:16:09
for the Dogo phone or Doo no those don't go for five grand those are not five grand I'm looking for
01:16:16
like the phone that like hooks up to the Tractor there's no way this costs $5,000 though this isn't going to work this is
01:16:23
this is a failed strategy I have a idea I saw the spark in both of your
01:16:29
eyes as Mar started talking yeah we're probably going to say the same thing if if I if we get a smartwatch would that
01:16:35
count or does it have to be like a phone I think phone should be yeah it needs to make phone calls or be a phone accessory
01:16:43
we because of the cases before pH accessory the Garmin Lockheed Martin
01:16:49
collab smatch that pairs with the F22 Raptor uh in the cockpit like that doesn't
01:16:55
I don't think so we allowed cases I mean like it should be like way I don't know if it's the F22 R but Garmin does make
01:17:02
smart watches that pair with fighter uh fighter jet cockpits but we're saying like if I if I hit the like Garmin $2000
01:17:11
Smartwatch that won't count because it doesn't make phone it seems like that's more all right yeah let's try shaped
01:17:17
okay yeah um working Motorola briefcase
01:17:25
I was phone I was gonna do a similar thing yeah I was gonna do like original Alexander cranell like working Motorola
01:17:33
briefcase phone uh what's the fifth word that's going to
01:17:40
make sure it's expensive vintage uh why you helping him
01:17:46
I can't say original I can't say new inbox I can't say classic inbox was not used was it is
01:17:54
it not because it was it doesn't even come in a box yeah um let's just go with
01:18:01
uh pristine pristine good word before I click search
01:18:08
I tried to search this the other day and maybe my keywords were in CRP but nobody sold I don't know what's going to come
01:18:14
up here I don't think anybody sold these on eBay okay there's plenty of things that are in the category yeah you're
01:18:20
fine give a number okay five I didn't a Moto G power gently used and partially
01:18:26
working 1338 baby $13 $13 Moto G power
01:18:33
oh my gosh what a backfire to get for lunch is $14 there was a working vintage Motorola
01:18:40
Carone under that but it's still only $25 oh wow really I am going to go with a very
01:18:47
different tactic then because I was originally gonna go there too I'm GNA do
01:18:52
we're gonna go we're GNA try something crazy we're gonna do official is a pay phone count as a
01:19:00
phone no I'm keeping Strat official
01:19:08
signed
01:19:13
rare phone authentic
01:19:19
gold diamond and I want to I want you to I want you to
01:19:25
choose before you look this up some am I screwed two out of the top 10 are
01:19:32
actually phones so whichever one you get closest to and I'll read some of the other
01:19:39
ones Andrew just answer me this are either of the two phones worth more than $100 yes somebody signed a phone number
01:19:47
six okay you are closer to the more expensive one an Apple iPhone
01:19:53
10r what it says rare iOS 13 grade A I
01:19:58
don't know what that means it's $14.99 it signed by it is not signed the
01:20:05
number one is a Joe Montana signed football what is it how much was that
01:20:10
$77 what Flappy Bird oh no
01:20:16
that's you remember that I have an idea you just Marquez you cost me a game you just too I lost already it's it's not
01:20:24
going to be that I don't think they're they're bring yeah I don't think you could probably you can
01:20:29
download the APK off APK David you just need they sold like at one point that's true yeah
01:20:36
if you can get something that's $5,000 secure the win nobody okay how about
01:20:43
AT&T emergency response uh
01:20:48
industrial uh did we actually use that or he didn't wind up using it okay and then then Flappy
01:20:57
Bird that's F that's that's too many words Flappy Bird is a proper noun right just
01:21:05
Flappy Bird just bird just bird no phone
01:21:11
you're sure oh wait sorry phone bird phone you got to pick one okay at&
01:21:16
emergency and response industrial phone okay
01:21:22
Diamond all right pick a number luxury four please it's prob I'm going to give
01:21:32
you please give me one the one very nice here and I'm going to go one above it
01:21:37
okay because yours is a an emergency phone print ad was number four so I'm
01:21:45
going to go for the 4G LTE cellular dial phone elevator emergency Communicator
01:21:51
elevator $159 let's go no because under that was a a phone that
01:21:58
says $999 crossed out and says best offer accepted so I don't even know what that means do they have any of the AT&T
01:22:05
like briefcase emergency response satellite phones in there oh satellite
01:22:11
phone satellite oh I should have said satellite satellite probably would have been I should said what I should have
01:22:17
said uh what's the thing that's in space that's orbiting Earth the ISS Moon ISS
01:22:22
oh the moon I should have said ISS communication device if he'd said original Starship Enterprise
01:22:28
Communicator would you have gotten credit from TV show oh my God it's not a phone but it would have been really
01:22:34
funny so in first place was $5,760
01:22:40
58 x Ellis Ro let's go from the desk to
01:22:46
here came to win took it all coming up the rear with
01:22:51
$1,490 38 respectable is Marquez brownley let's go and all the way and
01:22:59
last is David $968 and 56 cents David emo I like this
01:23:07
game I would play again I want to say Ellis getting the M XT over both of you
01:23:12
guys very surprising I'm very surprised either you didn't get that I knew Ellis was going to go to like
01:23:18
autographed like vintage Route at some point would be fun um yeah hopefully
01:23:24
liked it I thought it was fun I we left it at just phone as the category so in the future maybe we could do computers or something else try can you try one
01:23:30
more search for me just out of curiosity okay can you search MKBHD signed phone
01:23:36
and see if anything comes up so have you signed someone's phone before I've signed a lot of phones and I'm curious
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if someone ever listed it and sold it on eBay I just want to know so you can beat them up I just want to
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know my theory is I'm taking value off your phone when I write on it wow here's one that would have won though oh what
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what Apple iPhone 16 Pro Max signed by jaws $115,000 and it sold for that yeah how
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did that not come up when I yeah once when we did iPhone we should have done signed I think you did too many like
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authentic it was without iPhone yeah it was it was with f ah fair enough yeah damn John's really hey see he adds value
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none of us thought of that so yeah none of us that's too bad I bet Steve Jobs signed iPhone would be insane I don't
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think that exists it probably exists job signed there's probably at least one I don't know if it was recently sold on
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eBay yeah but that would have to be like a first round pick with your keywords there's an office poster sign by Steve Jobs that sold for $32,000 D would you
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have accepted that we wouldn't have gotten points for that you can't make a phone call on it's a it's especially because it's a poster about the
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Macintosh there you go all right I feel like one day when we play this game we should just have no category and just
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who could on EOD yeah Buick
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um no I'm just kidding no that was fun I think we should we should bring that game back at some point that was uh and
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maybe we should switch it up and go from like Amazon to like random like best buy.com just just to see te it's it's a
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fight of like do you go old new what is the listing going to be like how chaotic
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is the listing going to be with keywords um so yeah I thought it was fun that was fun shout out to the disc golf po as
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well well in order to switch back to regular trivia I think we have to do a little Shuffle forgot about that yeah
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should we do should we do the magic
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definitely what get out of my seat no well you have to clap then whoa oh Jesus oh my goodness that
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one like hurt like normally they're they're they're easy but like I don't know that would really hurt going through there poor audio listeners audio
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listeners they teleported by clapping it was great in real life you know what time it is you know what it is
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I think that's the number one song on Ellis's Spotify wrapped it's the trivia song do you know the name of that song
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No trivia dude uh I believe it's calls by Adam Molina would you like another
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pineapple I that is some truly royaltyfree you know who's really unaffected by SEO royaltyfree music yeah
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but they're very affected by AI the name of the song doesn't matter it's called another pineapple please by the Fly Guy
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five I love that I agree and no one will ever find it on Google uh no
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but uh it's not royalty free so you can't use it uh you got to pay for it like we did um like we do uh question
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number one can I steal one of those please please question number one prices
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right rules uh what was the first year that Cyber Monday was used as like a
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marketing term and uh this question might be a little confusing because
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Cyber Monday was coined in the middle of the year to describe the year uh like oh a lot of people bought
01:26:57
stuff that day so we're going to call that Cyber Monday but then it was used as a marketing term for the first time in the year that I'm looking for and
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it's prices right rules so if you guess a year later than the correct year you are
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[Music] disqualified what year do we think it is
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who would like to go first actually David should go first I want because I'm the most wrong uh you're not the most
01:27:26
strong okay uh I wrote 2006 that unfortunately is later than the year in
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question all right so I'm wrong so 2010 yes wow I was debating going 90s I said
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2002 that is uh not the right year but within the acceptable parameters the
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correct year is 2005 oh really 2005 why we ever do
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internet mattered enough then that was the first year that people
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or so people in two in early 2005 uh were looking back and we're like wow
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people bought a lot of stuff online right after Thanksgiving and they started in 2004 in in yeah Thanksgiving
01:28:12
2004 and then throughout 2005 they were like oh I guess there's this sort of Black Friday online we'll call it Cyber
01:28:17
Monday and started as like an industry term coined by one executive named Ellen Davis and it uh from what company uh she
01:28:26
uh was not an executive of specific company she was at one of those like trade groups called the national retail
01:28:33
Federation that sounds the most capitalist thing I've ever heard of in my life National Retail next question
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Jaguar isn't just the name of the car company are you going to do that every
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time yeah it's also the processor inside the PS4 Pro which was made by what
01:28:53
company there's a PS4 Pro as well there was I have the PS that was my first ever console dang really what PS4 Pro my
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first ever console yep that's W no wonder in the middle of college never
01:29:07
had a GameCube or any of those other ones I had a PS4 wa was that in the apartment M where you guys had like that
01:29:13
little kind of half room between like the bedrooms and you had that giant curve TV like fli and re what do you got
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a crap boy let's go Marquez first we all wrot different ones I wrote Nvidia Nvidia
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yeah nope dang it I wrote Intel Intel mhm nope David it's AMD it's AMD it's
01:29:37
called an APU suckers what does that mean something processing
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unit is it AMD processing it's probably advanced Processing Unit or something or like allinone I don't know I should know
01:29:50
this I don't really know I don't know this well uh I'm officially carrying the one now
01:29:56
David's carrying the one now and I'm where I should be behind everyone else so I can come
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back in the trivia extravagan it's an accelerated Processing Unit interesting
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that's beautiful beautiful place to be with nice even round numbers for trivia
01:30:12
yeah uh wait what when has it not been round numbers also these are not even
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numbers they're all odd numbers nice odd round numbers m not even number Z zero is a number is it is zero an even number
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Z is a concept zero is neither all numbers are Concepts nor odd or both I
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think it's even at the same a number but not an integer I'm not saying anything more because I'm an
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idiot or is an integer integer or a positive it is an integer but not a zero is an even number in other words
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according to Gemini no also according to B YJ u apostrophy s.com what is that I
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have no idea there's there is also a Wikipedia page called parody of zero uh
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thanks for listening yeah thanks for watching hey yeah thanks for watching thanks for listening this week thanks for joining us for a new season of
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trivia and uh yeah we'll we'll be back on a regularly schedule well we are but we'll be back even more on our regular
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schedule programming next week see you then peace waveform was produced by Adam
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Alina and Ellis Ren we're partner with VOX media podcast Network and our tra music was created by v s Ringo did you
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almost forget our names [Music]
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that's the name of the album torted poets Department that's actually the name of
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it yeah oh okay
