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Is it pump fake where you pretend to shoot and then you don't? Yes. Yeah. Steph Curry does that a lot.
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>> Yes. He's very good at it. >> It's like when you're about to ship a product and then you don't. Like air
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power. >> It's like head fake. >> Yo, what's up people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the
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Waveform Podcast. We are all of your hosts. I'm Marquez. >> I'm Alex. >> I'm Andrew.
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>> And I'm David. And in this bonus episode, we're going to be covering a whole bunch of things, but mostly
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sports. And the way that we're going to do it is we have our fellow nonball knower Hey, hey, hey,
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>> Andrew and David over here. >> Uh, guests/hosts who we want to explain the massive amount of overlap between
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sports and tech. And we have a lot of uh analogies and simileies and ways of explaining that. and Alex and I balln
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knowowers of the podcast and maybe we'll get some uh some Rufus and Adam over there chiming in as well uh to help
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>> we split the the producer table is on our side on this >> even better even better. Okay, so that
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we're going to use all of this to hopefully get you guys caught up to speed on the incredible world of what's
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happened in basketball for the last couple weeks months by using tech. >> Oh, I know the last couple weeks. I just
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do not know the last couple weeks. >> David is David has quietly become a ball knower. I mean, if you actually
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lots of pretty you you were pretty dialed, but there were there's still plenty to learn. Obviously, there's lots
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of lore and and things to uh >> Can I add the first beat for this episode? Can you
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>> Oh, >> it's a classic. There's a couple things you kind of just start chanting when you
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become a sports fan. That's one of them. >> It's a classic chant now. >> Yeah. And Mix and Five, if you just live
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in the area, you just walk outside and say that and people like high five you. That's
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>> We don't say good morning anymore. Five. Maybe it's five. >> Yeah, especially in New York.
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>> Uh, you make sure whenever you order breakfast for the next 6 months, you just order a Brunson egg and cheese. You
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don't have to explain it. They'll just know what it is. >> Uh, is it special? Is it different than
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a regular egg and cheese? >> No, it's not. >> It's a bacon, egg, and cheese. It's just
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a Brunson egg and cheese. >> It's just named in his honor. >> No, it has Sriracha mayo.
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>> Does it? >> Does it? >> Are you guys kidding me? >> I don't know. I just >> It all stemmed from like this this kid
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asked him, "What's your bodega order?" And he said, "Well, I don't actually live in the city, so I don't have a
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normal bodega order, but if it was going to be that, it would be this." >> I thought you guys were going to teach
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us who knows what's going on. Goodness. >> Yeah, it has Sriracha mayo on it. That
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sounds better. >> Incredible. Well, we're going to go through all of this starting from the
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rules of modern NBA and then the teams and the history and then maybe a little bit of like uh I think I want to end
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this by talking about the fan overlap because there's so much overlap between fans of tech companies and the tribalism
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in the sports world that I feel like we need to just bandwagon on to some team before the end of this.
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>> Okay. >> Apple and five. >> Five, bro. >> Just like that. >> Yo, shut up. Google and five, bro.
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Google and five. Exactly. >> OnePlus is out of the finals. Yeah. >> The NBA altogether.
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>> One plus got knocked out in the first round. Let's be real. >> Yeah. All right. So, I think let's start
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with the rules. Just like what is the NBA? >> The NBA uh obviously a basketball league
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here in the US and we How many teams are in the NBA? 30 24. >> Is it National Basketball Association?
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>> Yes, it is. >> Yes. >> Very good. >> Good job, David. Paul. >> Actually, wait. There is going to be 32
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teams soon, >> right? They're expanding two years. Yeah. >> Expansion Seattle. Huh?
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>> Seattle and >> presumably Seattle and Vegas are about to get teams and then one team is going
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to move to the Eastern Conference. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Which is a good opportunity maybe to
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talk about teams in general because obviously there's lots of tech companies who you can kind of think of as teams.
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>> And I'm trying to think of what what would a expansion team be? It would be kind of like a startup, right? You need
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to like build the whole thing from the ground up very quickly and then just join the league.
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>> It would be kind of like a startup. So, we're going to have some startups soon,
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which is interesting to root for. They don't have any history, but you have some teams that have been around for a
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very long time >> who have a history of winning in the past, ups and downs. They've had
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rosters, aka employees, who have done amazing things, sometimes terrible things.
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>> Okay. >> Uh that have caused the companies to rise and fall. And so whenever you watch
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those tech companies, you're kind of like watching the players for the team affect their outcomes. Right. Can I
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almost every question I'm going to ask is going to preface with saying this is what happens in hockey. Does this happen
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in basketball? >> And if I'm correct, >> Seattle had a team at some point, right?
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So bringing it back >> potentially has like an old fan base coming back to it. This happened with
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the Winnipeg. If if I may, Seattle got really kind of hosed by their ownership group who decided
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>> for whatever reason, I think they I think they changed ownership in the late 2000s and then the owner for whatever
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reason really wanted to move them to Oklahoma City uh and just take them out of Seattle, but the Seattle fan base was
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really passionate, but it was like an arena issue where the the city didn't want to pay for a new arena or
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something. And so they moved them to Oklahoma City and Seattle has been starved for basketball since then. They
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now have a they have a WNBA team and >> are they going to play in the Kraken Arena? There's a new NHL.
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>> I think so. It's the most recent >> I think they'll play in the new arena. I mean it sick arena.
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>> It's not final yet but it presumably that is where they will >> climate change arena.
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>> Yeah. It's it's one of the only arenas. >> Climate change climate >> climate change arena is crazy.
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>> It's like one of the only arenas that's down. So if you look from the the ice um
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up you can see this big window and that's actually the sidewalk of the street. Oh, that's awesome.
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>> So, it's like my apartment. >> Nice. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, for David. >> Yeah.
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>> Noia. >> Nokia. >> Nokia used to be a whole thing. Great company, thriving, and then kind of just
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stopped. >> They do telecom stuff now, >> but they had to bring it back. Oh, yeah.
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>> And they bring it back and they've licensed that name and they started making phones and doing things with that
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name again. That's that's Seattle getting an NBA team again. >> Okay. So, they're licensing the name.
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>> It won't be quite exactly the same team, but it will be fun to root for because
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we know that name. M >> cuz when that team moved, all the players moved. Like so a lot of Seattle
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>> fans probably became Oklahoma City fans or were so mad about it they followed
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their players. Yeah. But now they're getting a team. >> It's actually interesting too, not to
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get too into the weeds, but there's been multiple times in the NBA where teams have moved and then come back or
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whatever. And it's created this weird history uh gap for certain teams. Like so for example, the uh Charlotte Hornets
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back in the day moved to New Orleans. it became the New Orleans Hornets. Uh but then they eventually added another team
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to Charlotte called the Charlotte Bobcats. And so then they were like, "Well, do we get the Hornets history?"
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And it was like, "No, you're a new team. You don't get history." But then New Orleans was like, "Well, we don't like
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the name Hornets. We're going to change our name to the Pelicans." So, so they're the New Orleans Pelicans now.
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And then Charlotte with the Bobcats was like, "Wait, Hornets is on the table again. So, let's become the Hornets
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again." Weird. And now people are like, "Wait, so do the New Orleans Pelicans own the Charlotte Hornets history or do
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the Charlotte Hornets own the Charlotte Hornets history?" >> Wait, so I don't understand that. What's
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a tech version? I don't know a tech person that analogy. >> It's not a perfect one to one, but
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>> yeah, there's not a perfect one to one of everything. Maybe there's like It's
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like Carl Pay, right? It's like he kind of ran OnePlus and then he started nothing but
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>> David is right in the >> Well, but then but how Carl Pay then bought Essential but just the name and
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now nothing has essential in it. Yeah. So, do they get the nothing history cuz they had
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>> or do they get the essential history? You don't want this the Andy Rubin history.
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>> Yeah. So, if they if they made a new company called Essential, like would they get the essential history or would
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it just be the nothing? >> Essentially. >> Yeah. >> Hey, they made that gem phone. I'm all
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in on the ball. You know what I'm saying? >> All right. So, anyway, basketball, the
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rules are pretty simple. I don't know if you need a technology, but obviously the
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teams are just trying to score the most points. You have four 12-minute quarters. You can pass the ball,
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dribble, you can't foul or travel. Pretty basic uh sports actually. It actually >> Well, Webby's core tenative basketball
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is fouling people. >> Can I Yeah. Can I ask a question based on what I saw last week?
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>> Yes. When I was a child and I watched the Sacramento Kings play with Mike Bby.
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Yes. >> They like you couldn't you had to dribble when you were walking when you
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were moving down the court. >> When I was watching last week, a lot of people were not doing that. Okay. So,
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this brings us to the core tenets of basketball. So, why don't we talk about the core tenets?
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>> Give me the rules. >> The three core tenants of basketball. If you go up to any any court in America
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and you just want to try to play basketball. >> Yeah. >> Three core tenants. Dribble, pass,
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shoot. Those are your three things. Right. >> No defense. >> So, >> it's called travel. No defense.
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>> Is it called traveling? If you walk with the ball, but you don't dribble. I thought so.
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>> So, dribbling, >> okay, >> is if you're if you have the ball and you're moving in basketball, you get
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three steps without dribbling. at some point. >> Three. >> Yes. But if you pick up your dribble and
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you're like going to finish a layup, you get >> What's a layup? >> We'll get there.
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>> Okay. >> Everyone was like, "David knows his ball." He asked that. >> I'm ask I'm asking for the audience.
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>> But as many of our audience members do not know. >> David is playing a character. He's bad
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at acting. >> That's right. Good save. That's right. >> Um but so dribbling is when you're
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you're dribbling down the court. That's how you set up bouncing the ball. Yeah. Dribbling is bouncing the ball up and
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down into your hand. So that is like software dev. So that is like your core principle to basketball.
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>> Step one software. >> Step one, you got to have your software. >> Your IDE basically.
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>> Yes. >> Okay. Yes. >> Your ID. >> Passing is how you get the ball from one player to another. So there's five
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players on each side. >> You throw it >> and you throw it to your teammates so that you can try to
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>> break the defense and get inside. So passing, that's your testing. That's like your alpha testing, beta testing,
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trying to get to the get to the end because the idea is to get a basket, right? So shooting, that's your
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deliverable. >> When you throw it up, >> you throw it up and you deliver and you
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make a basket. >> Shipping your product. Shipping. >> Shipping your product. >> They use a lot of the same words,
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deliverables. >> Does that mean too? >> Uh, no. But when you deliver a product, when you ship a product,
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>> can you imagine a basketball coach is in the in the huddle and they're like, "Guys, guys, we got to really hit on our
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deliverables right now. Um, we got to get get the passes and get our delivery. >> We got really We got to ship. We got
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really got to market fit between the basketball and the hoop is really high. >> Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Okay.
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>> Yeah. So, so the entire time these teams are trying to get as good as possible at
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shipping as many products as possible. >> Uh, more than all the other teams. >> Okay.
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>> I'm dead serious. They're try if you ship more products than the other team, you win.
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>> But you only have four 12minute quarters. You know, the fiscal year, I mean, divided up into quarters. So Q1,
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Q2, Q3 and Q4. The more products you ship, the better. If you ship more than the others, you win.
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>> And and in a single game, you might ship like 70 products. >> Yeah. And the thing is, you are
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competing directly against the other team who is trying to stop you from shipping products,
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>> right? They're going to try to interrupt your testing, your development, your
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shipping process, all of that. >> Okay? >> But there are rules, >> right? So, every team has players that
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have different roles and different styles and occasionally a member of the other team will try to mess with your
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team. >> Uh, we don't like those players very much. You know, some some call them like
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dirty players. >> You're supposed to you're supposed to play within the rules. Obviously, some
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people kind of try to bend the rules >> like WBY. >> What do we say about WY? But we we
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always know we always know that there are you know these pieces fit together like uh like puzzles. These these
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players on these teams these leaders and these these teammates are all trying to
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ship products as quickly as possible. Uh but if they do their role really well then they can pass it to the to the next
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role and the next role and you get through the software development phase really quickly and then you ship it and
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then you you market and you do the whole thing really really fast then you're successful.
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>> Okay. So, everyone has to know their role. >> Nick's team as Apple executives go.
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>> Great. Okay, that's a great place to start. Nick's team as Apple executives. >> The captain, you probably start with the
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captain, right? >> Oh, yeah. Tell me about the roles. >> Yeah. Great. So, players have different
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size roles and players have uh different appreciation. Yeah. And different appreciation just based on what they're
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good at. In sports, it might be just because you're taller or shorter or you have a certain skill set that lets you
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do the thing. >> Yeah. That's kind of like in uh in tech, you might be a really good supply chain
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person or you might have a business mind or you're a ruthless leader who's like galvanizing the troops and gets people
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behind him. So sports team with a captain like the Knicks, that's Jaylen Brunson.
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>> That's the captain. That's the MVP of the team, the best player, finals MVP. >> He's the guy that everybody recognizes
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when you look at that company. So at Appleim Cook, I think today that's Tim Cook. Okay. It's also Brunson is also
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very well-liked. >> Yeah. >> And so Tim Cook seemed very well-liked, >> I'd say. So
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>> I would say Steve Jobs for being a visionary, but it seemed like a lot of people were not the biggest Steve Jobs.
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>> Yeah. If we got >> He got results, but you know what I'm saying? >> Yeah. Modern Apple, we'll go with Tim
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Cook just because he's the guy who's getting the results and he is ruthlessly consistent and maybe even a little
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underrated despite his success. So that's Jaylen Brunson, Tim Cook. >> Okay. >> All right. Who's the second player on
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the Knicks? We should go with >> uh Carl Anthony Towns. >> Carl Anthony Towns. >> Yeah.
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>> All right. Carl Anthony Towns is I mean there's a starting five on the team. So
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I feel like we should go through five, but he's arguably one of the most important players on the Knicks.
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>> So he's like benched until he's not. Is that the situation? >> No. So he plays he's a starter.
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>> Five players play. >> Five players start. Okay. >> On the Knicks. Carl Anthony Towns who
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happens to be a 7 foot center who can shoot and pass and basically do everything a center should do.
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>> Seven foot. >> Yeah. Seven feet tall. You're a big boy. >> You know what's crazy about basketball?
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Everyone looks normal sized. >> No, that's Jaylen Brunson's >> six foot two and he looks tiny.
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>> Most of his head, but yes, he looks so small. Yeah. Uh, so Carl Anthony Towns
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is 7 feet tall. >> Okay. >> And he's he's very wellrounded. So I feel like I would put him in a like
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executive position as well. I I'm tempted to give him like so in the in the postseason.
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>> I was going to say in the postseason he actually was uh he became a big passer.
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So if we're saying that passing is testing he would maybe be like chief of software.
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>> That could be that's Craig Federigi. >> Yeah. Craig Federi. >> So Craig Federiki one of the most
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recognizable faces at Apple. Pretty versatile but everyone knows his chops is soft. He leads the software team.
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Yeah. >> Uh, and yeah, that's, you know, Caron Towns has his specialty, but he's able
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to move around in his role and do stuff like ship >> and test. So, yeah, Caron Towns, Craig
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Fedrigi. >> I like that. >> Uh, >> or Josh Hart. >> It's Jaws. >> Josh Hart is >> All right, we'll do Josh.
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>> Josh Hart is Jaws. >> Is that because he's the longest tenur? >> No, that's uh Mitchell Robinson. I think
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Josh Hart would be Jaws because he's the marketing guy >> and Josh Hart is the heart of the team.
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It's like the slogan. He's all over social media. He's like the the face basically next to Brunson.
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>> Okay. Yeah. Josh Hart, his role on the court is maybe not as large in terms of
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contributing to winning and shipping products. >> Okay. >> But you still need a Josh Hart on your
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team. You need someone who's going to do the dirty work. Doesn't get a ton of credit. doesn't have the best counting
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stats, but >> he might he might only ship one product for the whole game, but he's still going
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to be a winning party. >> He's going to ship the product that nobody else is doing.
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>> What makes him good? >> Uh just a simple drive to do the dirty work that nobody else would have done in
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a basketball sense. That is jumping and getting a rebound that looked like no one was going to get or diving on the
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floor for a loose ball that either team could have gotten. >> There's a lot more diving this season
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than I remember when I was a child. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, people diving a lot >> in Apple world. You know, Jaws is
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interesting because marketing tends to get I feel like they get a lot of credit maybe for shipping even though they
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don't actually ship anything, >> right? Like marketing. But, uh, I do like Jaws cuz yeah, it's a it's a face
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that you recognize when you think about the company and you need one. Got it. >> Uh,
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>> how many players are there again? >> We're just doing the starting five. So, we're through three out of five now.
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>> Okay. How many players are there on each team? >> 15. >> What? Well, actually 18, including
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two-way players. >> Why do they have that many? >> Because it's a long >> hired and wow. Yeah, everybody. You
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can't you can't be shipping products by yourself. You need help >> all the time. You need help.
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>> So, they got to take breaks. >> The starting five are the ones that always start and then they rotate out
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>> for the most part. I mean, sometimes the starters change, which is like executive
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turnover. >> Mhm. Okay. Sometimes the executive isn't performing the way you want them to and
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you uh maybe you maybe you demote them uh give them a little a little step down or maybe you just fully cut ties and
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>> oh like a Siri AI guy. Yeah. Switching to John Turnis as a CEO is kind of like
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benching >> that'd be like benching uh we're not going to do this. We would it would be
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like benching Jaylen Brunson for a new point guard. it it you know it could be you know what the real thing is is it's
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going to be like in 10 years when Jaylen Brunson is getting ready to retire the Knicks will have a new point guard ready
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to go and then they'll say you know what Jaylen and he'll make his own choice much
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>> he's the LeBron Luca >> Yeah I think >> yeah pretty much yeah like we're going
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to see this soon with LeBron and Luca Donuch where LeBron is going to finally hang it up say you know what I've had a
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great career though yeah >> just like Tim Cook why didn't he because he wasn't his team wasn't good
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enough this year. Also, Luca, the guy who's replacing him, didn't play for most of the postseason.
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>> So, >> okay. Okay. Oh, let's let's go through the rest of the guys. >> Okay. So,
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>> typical AI overview starting five wrong. >> By the way, even when you click the
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images, every single photo is the five people you're talking about, but AI overview does not have Josh.
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>> Who did it add instead of Josh? Out of curiosity. What number is he wearing? >> Five. Precious.
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>> Precious. Precious wasn't even on the team this year. Oh, wait. Really? I thought I thought I pronounced his name
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wrong and I was like, that's okay. >> Precious Auba, man. Oh my god. He wasn't even on the team this year.
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>> All right, last two starters. >> Uh, Ojanobi. >> Ojanobi. >> Jack of all trades.
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>> Definitely a jack of all trades. And >> he's a guy that did the the tip. >> He did the tipping. Exactly. And was
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incredibly versatile and useful for them for the entire playoff run. Uh, helped them ship a lot of products. Also helped
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the other teams helped stop the other teams from shipping a lot of products. He's a defense guy.
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>> He's a two-way guy. He's doing a lot of the good positive shipping and a lot of
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the stopping the other team from shipping. >> Okay. >> Um, in Apple executive land,
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>> I got to reach one here. >> Okay, hit me. >> Johnny Shruy. >> Oh, I was going to say
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>> thinking Shuji. >> Shuji is the guy that makes the chips and he's the like engine behind the
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reason. >> I was going to say Turnis for like launching Apple silicon. >> Turnis might be better. I think Suji is
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good because not only is Apple silicon so good that other companies have to like chase that but it's like it's the
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reason that Apple is >> it's not the head it's not the iPhone like Jaylen Brunson but it is also a
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massively important thing for them. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> I like that. I also like that I've
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recently found out in recent weeks I watched a couple interviews and he's like a really quiet guy.
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>> Shuji. >> Yeah. No, no, no, no. >> OG. >> OG Obi. Oh, you've seen that? Yeah.
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>> He went on like on a late night show a couple days ago. It's amazing. question.
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He just >> Yeah, >> it's cuz he probably hasn't slept in 4 days. >> Yeah, >> he's also just extremely quiet. He's so
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funny. >> Okay. All right. Who's the last guy? >> Last guy is MueL Bridges. I have a pitch
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for Iron Man. >> He's He's 6 foot seven >> five person. >> Yeah, Muel Bridges is like 6'5 or 66.
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He's a wing. He has a very very long wingspan, which is your >> how far your arms go.
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>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Um he's great. Also great at defense. Very similar to OG Anobi. I'm going to
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say I think maybe he would be I had to look this up. I'm not going to lie. Sabi Khan, chief operating officer. I knew
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the position I wanted to give him. I didn't know who it was at Apple, but I think Muel Bridges is a chief operating
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officer because he is extremely well-liked. He's a good vibes guy. He doesn't necessarily always make the
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biggest impact on the game, but he's keeping everybody >> in line. Yeah. >> He's keeping operations going. And I and
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we learned that after they won the championship. All the Knicks players talk so highly of him and his impact on
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the locker room and everything. >> What did he do? >> He bought the Rolexes. >> Uh
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>> what did he do in the games that was like a big deal >> in the finals or in other games?
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>> In the finals. >> Uh in the finals he played really good defense. He had a couple game actually
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technically the the game where Brunson scored almost 50. The final game he was the second leading scoreer with a whole
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14 points. >> So okay ships products. >> So he was the he was the second leading
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scoreer. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Um he he does similar things to Ojanobi. He plays really good defense. Uh and
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>> yeah, >> he actually he does handle the ball a decent amount. So he did a decent amount
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of passing, some testing, you know, whatever our analogy is. >> It's like the executive that like gets
00:21:20
in the testing and actually does some some coding once in a while. >> Yes. >> He can do a little bit of everything,
00:21:25
>> but isn't really on stage. >> He also never misses a game. He has not missed a game his entire NBA career.
00:21:29
>> What? >> What a jinx. >> That's crazy. >> No, I mean he >> it's out there. It's been a thing.
00:21:34
>> It's out there. No jinxing at this point. >> Yeah, that's wild. Okay. >> Yeah. So, there is obviously some puzzle
00:21:42
piece nature to it. You got to have pieces that fit together. Not everyone can have overlapping roles. If you have
00:21:47
a bunch of Jaylen Brunsons, it sounds great, but you're going to be missing some parts of the game. So, you have
00:21:52
these complimenting pieces kind of like different parts of an executive team on a tech company. And they all combine
00:21:58
together to do the thing. Ship lots of products, stop other companies from shipping products, take competitive
00:22:03
wins, give other teams losses. That's it. >> Can we talk about the positions like
00:22:10
>> Yeah, the positions. >> Yeah, we kind of tried to I mean, so chief operating officer being like the
00:22:16
small forward who's kind of just in the middle of a whole bunch of things. >> The captain is often point guard doing
00:22:23
most of what is visible. >> Yeah. So, the point guard in basketball, >> these are fair questions. I
00:22:28
>> It is. never understood these except for center. >> Should I just list these real quick?
00:22:32
>> Okay, I'll I'll list them and I'll just give the basketball explanations then we
00:22:35
can start relating. >> You have five positions. >> Yeah. >> Uh and these positions become more and
00:22:40
more uh fluid over time. Like I feel like the the these used to be more hard and fast,
00:22:47
you know, like each position did a specific role. Now you're having people have to be way more multifaceted in how
00:22:54
they play. So >> in general, it's a one through five. and the the Golden State Warriors, who a lot
00:22:58
of tech people maybe are familiar with because of their Silicon Valley roots. >> Oh, yeah.
00:23:02
>> Let's compare them to Dota. >> Yeah, Dota. Dota also has five different roles.
00:23:07
>> It actually probably is pretty. >> I'm going to try and help and we're going to get these as mobile lanes.
00:23:11
>> Okay. So, you're not going to understand. >> We're just going to explain a niche
00:23:14
thing in terms of an even more niche thing. >> They know mobile lanes more than >> But so the five positions, point guard
00:23:21
traditionally is the smallest player on the team. Uh they're >> guarding the points from the other team.
00:23:28
>> No, they're running the point. They're running point, right? That's a common term. So that they're running point,
00:23:33
which is to say that they are the one bringing the ball down the floor and starting what your team does. So they
00:23:38
have the ball in their hands the most. Oh, >> they're setting everybody up. >> Orchestrator.
00:23:42
>> Orchestrating. >> I'm kind of surprised that they even like have a guy that's supposed to do
00:23:46
that every time instead of just everybody. >> Teams that don't have that struggle
00:23:49
mightily. >> Oh, it's like an IGL. >> Not having a good point. The Knicks for a long time did not have a good point
00:23:55
guard, which is why we all love Jaylen Brunson so much. >> Um, so the point guard is the guy who
00:24:01
brings the ball down the floor, sets everything up for everyone. >> The shooting guard is the second
00:24:05
position. There are two guards. So the shooting guard also generally a little on the smaller end for a basketball
00:24:11
player, which >> slightly bigger. >> Yeah. Which is to say 6'5. >> Yeah, >> I'm 5'9, baby.
00:24:18
>> Uh, point guard. >> That player typically highle athlete. Good shooter, scores the basketball a
00:24:24
lot, delivers lots of products, right? >> Uh small forward. So there are two forwards.
00:24:29
>> There's the three now. >> One of them is called the small one. >> The first one was the one point guard.
00:24:34
Second one is the two the shooting guard. >> Now we're on the three. Even bigger.
00:24:38
>> The small forward, >> which is always shorter. >> I mean, you know, Kevin Durant is
00:24:44
considered a small forward, but he's like seven feet tall. So >> we're roughly going in order of size and
00:24:49
Alex. The one is guard. The shooting guard is a little bigger. The small forward is a little bigger.
00:24:54
>> Everybody keeps getting a little taller traditionally the further you go down
00:24:57
the the numbers, right? >> So the three is a guy who's maybe 6'7, 67, >> 67, >> you know. Um and will be a a versatile
00:25:06
player, defensive minded, usually plays good defense, uh can shoot well, that sort of thing.
00:25:12
>> Uh and then you have your power forward, >> four, >> big, powerful. >> Now we're getting the biggest guys,
00:25:17
>> right? tank. >> OG Anobi on the Knicks is the four >> big strong man, big broad shoulders.
00:25:23
Okay? >> You know, typically like 610, 611, 69, maybe something like that. >> Uh and then you have the center, which
00:25:30
is the biggest player, the five, and otherwise known as the pivot. Uh cuz they pivot in the post and they score
00:25:36
down low. >> They bang elbows and they get >> not Jaylen Rodson. >> No, I feel like he does that.
00:25:41
>> Do they score the least amount of times? depending on the center. Some of the
00:25:46
some of the most prolific scorers in NBA history have been centers like Will Chamberlain, who we'll talk about later,
00:25:51
Wilt Chamberlain. We'll talk about him later, but uh in the modern game, yes, I would say centers generally score the
00:25:57
least of the players on the team for the most part. >> It feels like Jaylen Brunson kind of
00:26:02
because he's shorter, he's kind of like shoving people, getting in there, really
00:26:06
shoving his way in, and then doing the twos. >> That's cuz Jaylen Brunson is a dog.
00:26:10
>> Okay, >> that's another basketball term >> with a W, right? Yeah. >> Yeah. And uh and and that's why you sing
00:26:16
who let the dogs out like like the Knicks head coach does. >> Didn't he say stop that
00:26:22
>> at the He did like I asked you to stop doing that. >> Yeah. Yeah. I think Bronson did that or
00:26:27
Yeah. It's It's hilarious. >> That's pretty. >> Okay. Wait. I have So my terms are from
00:26:33
League of Legends, but I think it should be pretty close to >> What are the five League of Legends
00:26:36
position? >> Okay. So I have point guard is mid. >> Mid carry usually. >> Don't call Brunson mid. No, mid is like
00:26:44
lane. Mid is like the most important lane. They're the ones who can make it to both lanes. They're usually have the
00:26:49
most kills in a game. Like they are >> their solo. >> Okay. So, mid is it seems mid is the
00:26:55
same in Dota and League. >> Yeah. And they can like win a game. If you are a really good mid laner, you can
00:27:00
win. >> That's true. Yes. >> Um I have shooting guard. We call them ADC or like I don't know what that
00:27:05
means. Um AD is >> are they the ones that >> we have it as like a bot lane carry that
00:27:10
generally brings a support with them. They're farming a lot. In League it's generally attack damage versus attack.
00:27:16
Yeah. So >> it's just called carry in Dota. >> Okay. So carry. So that's like bot carry
00:27:19
also can have a lot of kills but has a little more support with them in and like kind of is like a damage whereas
00:27:24
the point guard scoring all the points. So maybe >> ADC bot carry is getting >> attack damage carry.
00:27:33
>> Oh okay. Um, small forward I have is jungle. >> We don't have a jungle lane in Dota.
00:27:38
>> There's no jungle in Dota. >> Well, there is jungle, but do they kind of push out meta?
00:27:44
>> It's not. >> Okay. Mine feels like I'm like 15 years. >> I could feel my eyes glazing over. Is
00:27:48
this what people feel like when I explain sports to them? >> Have you seen us the last 20 minutes?
00:27:54
>> Yeah, >> I get it now. >> Oh my god. I I understand so much about myself and others now.
00:27:58
>> They Okay, imagine old jungle then. >> Well, there was never a dedicated jungle
00:28:02
lane. Okay. >> Well, it's not a lane, but it's a position. >> In Dod, you have mid, carry, you have uh
00:28:09
tank, which is called off lane. >> I know that one. I know that one. This is like when you know one basketball
00:28:14
thing. I know tank. I know tank. >> Yeah, but they don't call it tank and dot. It's called That's called off.
00:28:19
Whatever. >> Yeah. And then there's two supports. There's hard support, which is like the
00:28:22
weakest support that supports the hard carry. >> Okay. >> And then there's a soft support, which
00:28:26
supports the tank/off. I don't want to say this out loud because I'm going to get destroyed by do the Dota fans that
00:28:31
have made it this far into the basketball con. I have a feeling jungle and soft carry or soft support are
00:28:37
probably pretty similar. Like jungle in League is they're just farming the middle and not taking farm from everyone
00:28:43
else and then they're supporting all of the other lanes by jumping into them and
00:28:47
getting >> Yeah. Sort of like soft support or farming. And sorry, what is farm? >> Is this farmville? farming
00:28:52
>> in in these games. In order to get money to get more items, there's also non-playable creeps. And if you hit them
00:28:59
last, you get money. So, you are fighting each other and fighting to get money at the same.
00:29:03
>> What did the creeps do to get categorized as creeps? >> Were they not for this podcast?
00:29:08
>> They work for the wrong. >> They're kind of creepy to be honest. They are creepy looking.
00:29:12
>> Okay, so then I have power forward as top, which for you >> power forward. Power
00:29:18
was like >> I've never heard that in Dota before. Oh my god. >> I have it as top lane, which for you is
00:29:23
offane or off lane. Yeah, >> which it sounds like they're very similar. And then just main did you call
00:29:28
it main support? >> Uh support. >> Hard support. >> Hard support. Bot lane support is
00:29:34
center. >> Center. What is the center one in basketball? >> Big boy. >> He's the guy in the middle.
00:29:38
>> Big boy in the middle. >> Big guy in the middle. He's gobbling up rebounds and
00:29:44
playing defense off lane. Does >> who's the last line of defense in in >> the power forwards score more than
00:29:52
center >> traditionally traditional I say the top lane >> so the off lane is usually the initiator
00:29:59
so I feel like the initiator has got to be the point guard right >> okay maybe no no no point guard should
00:30:05
definitely be mid lane they're the carry all the kills they're scoring all the points
00:30:09
>> maybe >> that could be variable in basketball could be the point guard as well
00:30:14
>> whoever your best player is >> Jaylen Brunson's a mid laner He definitely here's the thing. Here's the
00:30:18
thing, and this might be true about Dota 2, >> you know, and there's there's the roles
00:30:22
and the play style for the one through the five, but different teams have a different member of that team being the
00:30:28
best player. So, if your best player is your one, then you build your team around that. If your best player is your
00:30:34
three, then you build your team around that. If your best player is a five, you build your team.
00:30:38
>> I don't think how much you >> compared them perfect like that makes this argument even stronger. Like yeah,
00:30:44
a top lane can carry as an unkillable tank like sometimes. >> All sports are the same.
00:30:49
>> Yeah, that's what we're saying. >> Even esports. >> Even esports. >> Even esports. Can you guys So I play CS
00:30:53
and Valerant. Can you explain? Oh my god. >> How about Candy Crush? >> Wait, so really play the the basketball
00:31:04
players are like the different Angry Birds. >> No. No. >> I mean, you're not wrong.
00:31:09
>> Honestly, I could do that. I'm a big Angry Birds guy, so I could do that. Let's let's continue with the basketball
00:31:14
tech stuff cuz we are a tech podcast. Yeah. >> So, allegedly >> allegedly so far.
00:31:19
>> What's next on your on your >> should we talk about types of shots? >> Yeah. Well, so sure.
00:31:25
>> David did ask what a layup is. So, >> yeah. >> Yeah. So, the basket, you know what the
00:31:28
basket looks like and you know what it means to score a basket. The bug through the basket, right?
00:31:32
>> Yeah. Yeah. >> So, further away from the basket, the harder a shot. >> Yeah. Right.
00:31:37
>> Right. Next to the basket, if you're just laying it off the glass and in, that's called a layup. You just
00:31:41
literally go lay up right next to the basket. If you actually jump up and slam it through the basket, that's a slam
00:31:47
dunk. Slam dunk. >> You've heard of that term before? >> I've heard dunk. Yeah, >> you've heard of a slam dunk product.
00:31:51
Like something is a slam dunk. It's like the easiest bam guarantee it's going to
00:31:54
be a winner for sure. Like >> that's Apple made a fitness band. Slam dunk. Slam dunk.
00:31:58
>> Apple added USBC to AirPods Max. >> Slam dunk. >> Slam dunk. Exactly. >> I don't know about that. As you get
00:32:04
further away, >> all these All these shots, by the way, are worth two points. Yeah.
00:32:08
>> Unless you're far enough away. If you get far enough away, there's a there's a
00:32:11
line, an arc around the basket, uh it's a three-point line. If you shoot from behind the three-point line and score,
00:32:17
it's worth three points. >> Yeah. >> Uh you can imagine the distribution being like the easiest shots are right
00:32:23
next to the basket, they're worth two points. >> Yeah. >> In unless you're Steph Curry, we'll get
00:32:28
to him. >> He makes it look really easy. >> He makes it look really easy. Okay. Analytically, the next easiest shot is
00:32:34
slightly further away and slightly further away. But you get to a point where if you're at the longest possible
00:32:40
two-pointer, >> okay, >> you might as well step back and make it a three-pointer because it's not much
00:32:45
harder, but it's worth 50% more points. >> Okay, >> a lot of teams study this and they
00:32:49
realize, wow, if we want to ship a lot of products, it would be more efficient for us to ship a lot of three-pointers,
00:32:55
even though they're a little bit harder, they're worth a lot more points. every EV startup ever who's like
00:33:01
>> we'd rather ship the really expensive ones right now. >> Oh, >> before the cheap ones,
00:33:05
>> the ones that feel like they're slightly harder to ship, but that you know you
00:33:08
will ship way more of, >> right? That's the stuff, >> which is like Apple's strategy, right?
00:33:12
Like Samsung ships like a bazillion SKs of their phones and so does Evo and Oppo, but Apple's just like, "We only
00:33:19
make five products, but every single one of them is going to sell a bazillion." >> That's a really good Yeah. So certain
00:33:24
companies like Samsung who ship a ton of stuff, they're like I'm trying to think
00:33:27
of a team that just shoots whatever. The Hornets, >> the Brooklyn Max, >> they going to say the Hornets shoot
00:33:33
their shot chart, which is like the graph on the court of where they shoot from is all over the place. And it's
00:33:40
fine cuz they're equally good at everything. It's like >> and they score a lot of points, so they
00:33:44
they take a lot of weird shots, but they hit a lot of them. But you might have heard of the Golden State Warriors,
00:33:49
>> who are maybe closer to Apple, conveniently because they're a California team, but they have a
00:33:53
slightly more selective shot chart, meaning they're really good at three-pointers.
00:33:58
>> Yeah. >> And layups and dunks. >> Yeah. >> And why bother with the mid-range stuff?
00:34:03
Like Apple could add stuff to their plate and ship more products, but iPhones, Macs,
00:34:09
>> that's all they really have to shoot. >> Unless you're Steph Curry and you shoot
00:34:12
from half core, and that's like if the Vision Pro was successful. >> Yeah. Yeah. You've probably heard Yeah.
00:34:17
There's terms like a Hail Mary or like a like a deep buzzer >> beater. Yeah. Yeah.
00:34:22
>> That would be like deep three. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Okay. >> So, yeah. Three-pointers. Steph Curry is
00:34:28
really good at three-pointers. That's like Apple being really good at iPhones. They ship a ton of them and there's not
00:34:35
many who can stop it, right? And why do anything else at this point, right? Adam
00:34:41
and I actually related that when we were cooking up this episode to like a software feature that initially you
00:34:48
didn't think you needed, >> but that then you get it and then you never want to live without it again.
00:34:54
>> It's like it was the three-point shot was disregarded for a long time as just
00:34:58
sort of a luxury. >> Oh, wireless charging, >> right? And then it became >> I love three-pointers.
00:35:03
>> Yeah. And then and then and then suddenly teams came around on it and they said, "Wait, three is greater than
00:35:09
two. Why don't we shoot more of these? >> God, wire to figure that out. >> No wire is better than wire. I don't get
00:35:15
how people can't figure that out. >> Right. And then and then teams just became now it's like you can't live
00:35:21
without it. It's it's the feature you can't live without. >> Wireless charging. >> Mhm.
00:35:25
>> Yeah. >> I've Oh, are you still going to talk about points? I have two questions about
00:35:29
points. >> I could do I could Do you want me to give the nerdy math that has defined the
00:35:33
NBA for the last 10 years? >> Yeah. >> I want to make your guys' eyes glaze over real quick.
00:35:36
>> I'm ready. Okay. >> All right. So >> accomplished lazy. >> So >> all right. So the three-point shot used
00:35:43
to be a luxury in the NBA in the NBA. It was introduced in the 1979 to 80 season
00:35:49
where before that any shot on the court was worth only two points. >> What? >> Yeah, they used to not.
00:35:53
>> There was no extra line. >> That's crazy. >> Yeah. Wow. >> Wait in the 80s. So we're 40 years away.
00:35:58
>> This has already gone off the rails. It's not going to be a cut. >> I'm blown away. Sorry. Start over. Start
00:36:03
over. When I was watching the NBA in the '90s, >> there was a three-point. It was already
00:36:07
a three-point. >> Did you hear when I said that they introduced it 79 80 season?
00:36:10
>> Yeah, that's crazy. >> That's so wild. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> So, I'll start from the top.
00:36:16
>> No, I know. >> All right. All right. Come on. >> Uh, so the three-point shot is longer
00:36:19
than a two-point shot. There's a line that defines where you do it, and it's worth, as the name implies, three points
00:36:23
instead of two points, right? So teams for decades still ran most of their offense inside the three-point line
00:36:30
because that was previously what was considered like real basketball or whatever and that's just what teams were
00:36:37
used to. >> Yeah. >> But around 20145 Steph Curry's rise with the Warriors and they're getting Steve Cerr as head coach
00:36:46
teams finally did some math and realized that three is greater than two. So I'll
00:36:50
explain how this works percentages wise, right? So the nerdy math that has basically defined the NBA for the last
00:36:57
decade is this. Every possession in the NBA is dictated by the amount of points you can get per possession, right? So
00:37:04
>> what is a possession? >> So a possession each time you hold the ball >> and bring it down the floor and try to
00:37:10
score, right? >> A good point per possession number is generally anything over one. If you're
00:37:17
scoring 50% of the time on a two-point shot, that's one point per possession, right? So, shooting 60% on two-point
00:37:24
shots has generally been kind of the line considered good for shooting uh a two-point shot. If you shoot 60% of the
00:37:31
time you make it, >> that's considered good. That's 1.2 points per possession. >> Okay.
00:37:36
>> However, teams finally figured out, wait, >> if we shoot 40% from three, >> right,
00:37:42
>> that's the same as shooting 60% from two. It's all 1.2 points per possession.
00:37:48
>> True. And therefore, teams put a huge emphasis on shooting threes about 10 years ago,
00:37:55
>> and it has completely changed the entire game of basketball >> and made it more focused on shooting
00:38:00
threes instead of twos. >> Would you say that threes are also harder to guard >> to to an extent? It's also changed how
00:38:08
defense is. Yeah, I I think the idea is it's easier to get above 40% from three than it is to get above 60% from two,
00:38:18
>> right? >> So, people are if you can get a layup or an easy two, that's great. But those
00:38:23
mid-range shots that are like a jump shot and someone's guarding you, you might as well step back behind the
00:38:28
three-point line and make 40% of those instead of taking a long two and trying to make 60% of those.
00:38:34
>> Do Do you need an explanation of what a jump shot is, by the way? >> Jump and then you shoot it.
00:38:38
>> Yeah. Okay. It's pretty self-explanatory, but I wanted >> They even have a name for that. Thank
00:38:42
you. >> Because you could take a set >> because a layup you don't have to jump. >> You can also take a set shot. You can
00:38:46
take a shot without jumping >> right next to the basket. >> Yeah. >> You you just you just sort of lay it up.
00:38:51
>> That's what layup is where you like >> So early also the the jumping is part of
00:38:55
strategy. >> Early on. You used to have your feet set when you shot, but then but then people
00:39:01
discovered that if you jump and then shoot, you can get your shot even higher up so nobody can block it. How long did
00:39:07
it take for them to realize that? >> Yeah, basketball seems like they're just discovering the simplest things.
00:39:12
>> This wasn't discovery. It's not new. >> Closer to basketball. This is all in the
00:39:16
60s like at the beginning. >> I think the jump shot came about in like the 50s. >> Wait, wait, when did basketball start?
00:39:22
>> 1930 something. >> Okay. >> With a peach a peach basket. >> What is that? >> James N. A basket that you would collect
00:39:29
peaches out. >> I put a basket on a pole. >> 1891. >> Oh, 1891. Man, I thought it was
00:39:37
The first game was an 18. >> It took them till the 50s to figure out if you jump it goes higher. That's more
00:39:42
than two. >> It's not that it took them. >> It's not that it took them that long to
00:39:46
figure it out. But it's like you the whole point of like scoring points is you want to be consistent and make it
00:39:50
easy. And if you're jumping that introduces a variable of like, well, if I jump a different height, I got to
00:39:55
compensate for that and it's difficult. And so a lot of training and a lot of people doing it, eventually they figured
00:40:00
out how to jump consistently and make shots. It's the same as the three-point line. Like that existed for many, many
00:40:04
years. It's not like nobody realized it was worth three, but teams finally got good enough at making that very long 25
00:40:13
ft shot that it finally became worth it if we can finally shoot 40% from three. >> Okay,
00:40:18
>> so the evolution of the game has pushed slowly slowly slowly incrementally better and better. Kind of like the chip
00:40:23
getting slightly faster on the iPhone. It's not like we didn't know the faster chip could eventually play this game,
00:40:29
but we've been working towards this slowly slowly slowly slowly generation after generation until it's gotten to
00:40:33
where it is today. Okay. >> Okay. Two questions about points. >> Yes. >> Points. Points.
00:40:37
>> Do you want the short one or the long one first? Either. >> I guess both. Okay. Both at the same
00:40:41
time. >> One. >> Basketball players. >> Why do they miss free throws? >> Why do they miss? I can answer this much
00:40:50
money. >> Why? I can answer. It's It's literally the same thing every time. It's called
00:40:55
free. >> It's true. >> It should always work. >> It should be a free. >> Fantastic question. I mean, do you hit
00:41:00
three frozen? Here's the real answer. I'm not getting paid millions. Here's the real answer. If you watch an NBA
00:41:05
player in an empty gym, they basically make every shot they take. It's kind of terrifying.
00:41:12
>> It's kind of terrifying. Like, they make basically every shot, right? >> When you introduce the variable of the
00:41:18
real world, >> stuff gets a little weird sometimes. There's a crowd behind the basket.
00:41:22
They're cheering. There's pressure. There's a score. There's people who are like hoping, you know, there's a whole
00:41:27
bunch more to it. >> This is like shipping software with bugs. Yeah, I was literally about to say
00:41:32
bugs, dude. >> In theory, in theory, it should work 100% of the time. I'm just pressing the
00:41:38
button and the software is supposed to do the thing. >> Of course, it should work every single
00:41:42
time. It should be a free, it should be a layup for these companies. It should work every time.
00:41:45
>> That's a really good analogy. >> But for some reason, you put it in the real world and then people get their
00:41:50
hands on it and it's doing stuff that you didn't expect and it's odd. And it's not so much, yeah, obviously some of it
00:41:56
is a skill issue, but it is just the fact that the real world variables sometimes throws you off. It throws some
00:42:02
off more than it throws others off. >> Like, why did the screenshot tool in iOS 27 just not screen not crop things
00:42:07
anymore? Like I they couldn't have changed the code where they're like, we're changing the way screenshots work
00:42:12
completely. They didn't do that. It's the same as before, but now it just doesn't work. What? You know what?
00:42:17
>> And that's like that's like changing your shooting form. Sometimes players, they go, "I don't I don't think the way
00:42:24
I'm shooting is proper." And then they change how they shoot and then it ruins it.
00:42:28
>> They drag their liquid glass slider. >> That's crazy. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Okay.
00:42:31
>> Okay. I really like the bug analogy. My second question, when do I cheer for a
00:42:35
point cuz they're of them? >> Yeah. >> I listen, if you have to cheer 50 times a game, you're not cheering.
00:42:42
>> No, that's a valid. >> No, I think this is a super valuable >> Andrew comes from a sport where they
00:42:46
score once or twice. So, you can't a little more than that. This ain't soccer. The the general rule of
00:42:50
basketball is you wait. The most important times of the game are the final two minutes of each half.
00:42:56
>> So why wouldn't you only show up for the final two minutes? >> Cuz you're a real fan. So you
00:43:00
>> story line. There's a story line. Okay. So >> it all adds up. >> There are some more important baskets
00:43:06
than others. >> Mhm. >> So obviously if you're shipping a hundred products in four quarters, not
00:43:11
every product is going to get a standing ovation for sure. But >> we could do an apple analogy for this.
00:43:16
Yeah. the the the bucket that they make in the middle of the third quarter is the polishing cloth.
00:43:21
>> Yeah. >> Doesn't really >> Nobody needs a >> There might be a dunk. It might It might
00:43:25
be a >> really good cloth. There are going to be There's going to be some fans that are
00:43:29
going to cheer for that for sure. That's fine. >> Worth the $20. >> The the the buzzer beater at the end of
00:43:34
the fourth quarter that wins you the game is the iPhone. Yeah. >> You know, it's
00:43:38
>> they're going to ship this iPhone and it's going to push them over the edge. And the fans now were the best.
00:43:43
>> They they cheer a lot. Maybe >> I have another analogy here. >> Yeah. >> So staying for all of the points is kind
00:43:49
of like going to see these developer conferences at IO. >> So you can see what's coming down. Like
00:43:55
if you're there in the middle of a game and your team makes a bucket that is like they haven't scored in so long, but
00:44:02
then they finally make a bucket. You can feel the momentum shift and you can be like, "Oh, okay. This team is now going
00:44:07
to from this point forward do well." >> And that's kind of like these developer conferences. You go to the developer
00:44:12
conference and you can see where the company's vision is going and you're like, "Okay, wait. They're on to
00:44:16
something here." And those are the like points in the middle that don't really matter, quote unquote, is like
00:44:21
>> that's like the filler episodes in anime. >> Sure. >> Sure. Like it means something to the
00:44:27
story, >> but you can probably just watch the important. >> It's like the bonus episodes on the
00:44:31
Waveform podcast. What I was going to say, >> oh my god, this is like inception now.
00:44:37
>> I think >> we're on a bonus episode. I just felt the momentum shift. I think >> you know how on the Waveform podcast
00:44:44
when they do the bonus episodes like they're not really that important to the story, but
00:44:49
>> the fans stay in they >> know where we're going. >> This is the most anime filler episode of
00:44:56
all waveform episodes. >> This is our crossover, dude. This is our crossover. >> This is the baseball episode of Dragon
00:45:01
Ball Super right now. >> I like the draft cuz this is a really interesting one. That's it's unique
00:45:05
basketball draft. >> The draft. Yes, it's unique to sports. There is no equivalent for this in the
00:45:09
tech world. So, I'm going to I'm going to give you a what if. Okay, that might keep it interesting cuz we have we have
00:45:13
these tech companies operating competing against each other and you know, capitalism is supposed to say that the
00:45:18
best products and the best ones win. >> In sports, if we leave it like that for too long, you're going to get teams that
00:45:24
are just so far ahead of other teams that the other, especially newer franchises, will never get any chance to
00:45:30
catch up. >> Yeah. >> So, here's what we do. After every year, every season, we have a draft. And the
00:45:36
team that was the worst this past year >> gets the first pick in the draft >> roughly. This isn't exact science, but
00:45:43
they get the highest picks in the draft. >> And the teams that were really really
00:45:46
really good. Okay, you don't need a bunch more talent. So they get the the last picks in the draft.
00:45:51
>> Okay, so >> and the draft is drafting among this brand new upcoming talent from college
00:45:56
similar to tech companies. >> Okay, >> when they hit 18, right, >> basically. >> Okay,
00:46:00
>> so here's a what if for you. Imagine if the least successful tech companies the
00:46:05
last year >> got the most uh the highest picks of all the best college talent going to them
00:46:13
>> and the most successful teams, the best tech companies in the world didn't get
00:46:17
any of that talent. >> Yeah. >> They have to pick the scraps from who's left. Let's pretend for a minute that
00:46:22
money doesn't exist in tech. >> Yeah, >> it's it's almost the exact This would keep it even
00:46:26
>> of what tech does cuz when you graduate college at like top your class, you're
00:46:30
probably going to be poached by the biggest and you're going to want to pick the biggest company because you'll make
00:46:34
the most money and go to the thing that's already doing really well. So, it's the opposite. I guess if college
00:46:39
players didn't have a draft, they would leave college and be like, >> "Oh, the team that just won the
00:46:44
championship wants me. I'm going to want to play for the team that won the championship."
00:46:48
>> Maybe this is how we bust up big tech. we institute a draft >> software >> and then the lesser companies will
00:46:55
become better. >> It makes it's more easy to see in sports because the teams are smaller and one
00:47:00
high talent can have a big impact on winning. >> But if you imagine essentially the the
00:47:06
draft from college upcoming talent in that way in tech it would be like if the best companies who are the most
00:47:11
successful made the most money do not have access to the best talent. They have to do it again next year with their
00:47:17
same >> talent. like best guy out of Stanford's like I have to go work for Humane.
00:47:24
>> But sometimes what happens is all of that talent goes to Humane and then Humane has a great
00:47:29
>> and then Humane figures it out >> and then HP makes a printer that can >> and you're like wow seeing we have all
00:47:35
this competition. It's an even playing field again. >> So people like that in the sports world
00:47:39
we really like that it keeps it even and interesting. The worst teams get way better.
00:47:43
>> Yeah. I mean, it would be cool if like, you know, instead of Apple having 40% of
00:47:47
the RAM supply every single year, if suddenly that went to like an upand cominging company.
00:47:51
>> Oh, man. Yeah. Maybe that's the way we do the draft. We we make it RAM supply.
00:47:54
>> That almost feels like Formula 1 in terms of like wind tunnel time where like the worst teams get more tunnel
00:47:59
time to like develop their >> cars in sports. But yeah, exactly. Okay. I like um what do they call that in
00:48:05
Dota? That's a a balance patch basically. >> Oh, balance. >> Balance patch. >> Man, if tech had balance patches,
00:48:11
>> you know the you know the physics. I don't know how real this is, but you know the like video game slingshot
00:48:16
physics where if you're in last place in Mario Kart, you get all the better powerups.
00:48:18
>> Yeah. Socialism. It's like that. >> Yeah. Okay. Yeah. >> Socialism. Yeah. >> So, if if the team if you're in last
00:48:25
place, Here's a here's a weird thing. >> Okay. >> And this is this is kind of a problem in
00:48:29
the NBA and in sports. Sometimes someone will intentionally go to last place in Mario Kart to get the better power ups
00:48:35
because they know that that's going to get them back totally. That's a >> I don't know why right there it really
00:48:40
sounded like you were explaining it to like your child. Like >> do they do this in basketball?
00:48:45
>> Yeah, they do this in basketball. They would intentionally >> They'll do what's called tanking.
00:48:48
>> Yeah, >> you tank your >> Shouldn't that be against the rules? >> They should. And they're and they just
00:48:53
instituted new rules to stop it. >> Wait, what is it? The PWHL has an awesome rule for this actually.
00:48:58
>> So, uh, okay, without getting too into the weeds on it, basically what the So,
00:49:03
the NBA has a lottery at the end of the season. Um, typically if you're worse, you get a higher chance of getting the
00:49:10
number one overall pick. What they're now doing is they're flattening those odds. So, they're making it so that the
00:49:15
worst teams actually only get like instead of it used to be like a 25% chance of getting the number one pick,
00:49:20
>> now you have only like a 10% chance and then the teams in the middle get a slightly better amount and then the
00:49:25
teams actually that barely miss the playoffs now get like an 8% chance of getting the number one pick. So, what's
00:49:29
that power up in Mario Kart where you just get like the black thing, the bullet thing, and you just soar across
00:49:36
everything? That's like the number one pick in the draft. It's not a guarantee, but the number one pick in the draft is
00:49:41
going to be immensely talented and push you >> from the least at least to like. So there will be a
00:49:48
team/ Mario Kart player >> Yeah. >> with more than enough talent and skill to come in second or third place, but
00:49:55
they see that they're not going to win. So they just hit the brakes and go all the way to last place. They pick up the
00:50:00
bullet and then they go all the way back to second or first. And you're like, he
00:50:05
like that's just so >> your reaction is the general public's reaction to tanking in the NBA. So
00:50:10
>> yeah, you nailed it. >> It took them this many years to make that against the rules. They tried to
00:50:16
>> it's actually hard to to force. So initially it was literally like if you are the last place team you are the
00:50:21
first pick in the draft. Then it was like okay I will literally lose all of my games because I want to be the first
00:50:27
pick of the draft. They're like okay okay okay. >> If you are in the bottom five
00:50:31
>> then we'll have this little lottery system and you'll get more of a chance of last of first pick but you're not
00:50:38
going to guarantee first pick. >> Yeah. >> And it's still a pretty good chance of
00:50:41
first pick if you're in last place. So the teams are still trying to get last place. They're like, "All right."
00:50:45
>> There ever been a circumstance where multiple teams were trying to tank at literally this year and nobody could win
00:50:50
because everyone was trying to lose. >> Yeah. >> Is that what the Sixers did or are they?
00:50:54
>> They did last year. Yeah, the Sixers tanked last year. >> And Ellis is a fan of these.
00:50:57
>> Yeah. >> Well, he's watching us. >> Is on his plane back from vacation listening to this. It's kind of funny
00:51:04
because kind of like in tech >> and in a lot of other things, the worst thing to do is be like in purgatory in
00:51:12
the mid. >> Yeah. >> You want to be winning franchise, top of your game in your prime, like unbeatable
00:51:19
>> or just bankrupt, wipe it, start it over, right? Cuz if you're in purgatory like teetering and you can't really do
00:51:27
anything about it, >> the draft is like a government bailout. Like you don't want to be a mid team
00:51:33
forever. >> Yeah. >> So a good draft pick could finally change that for you. So a mid team will
00:51:38
tank to try to get a good draft pick. >> They penalize you if you if they catch you tanking
00:51:44
>> allegedly. Allegedly, but it's Yeah. It's like, hey, billionaire owner, that wasn't great. Here's a $50,000 V. It's
00:51:52
like, oh, okay, whatever. This might be we're going further from tech, but I just want to explain to you guys what
00:51:59
the women's hockey league is doing. They do something called the gold plan. Well,
00:52:03
once you are mathematically eliminated, then your wins start accumulating points
00:52:07
towards a draft pick. And then so every time a team gets eliminated, every win they get after that gets them closer.
00:52:14
>> That's so smart. >> So it like incentivizes you to win. >> Why don't they do that in basketball? Go
00:52:20
Adam Silver. Come on, man. It's specifically good because a lot of late season games are boring
00:52:25
>> are are mathematically irrelevant. It'll be like, "Oh, we've scheduled this out
00:52:30
from the beginning of the season." But it turns out this Charlotte Hornets versus Chicago Bulls game is two teams
00:52:34
that are already mathematically eliminated and have no reason to win. And so they sit all their best players
00:52:39
and people will go to the game and pay and show up and get to watch horrible basketball
00:52:44
>> or not show up at all and the arena's empty. >> Yeah. And it's just a it's a pain. So
00:52:49
that would make those games interesting to watch because those those are used. >> Yeah, cuz then they might get a draft
00:52:53
pick and all the statisticians. >> That's a really good idea. Shout out to that league. That's awesome. Damn. Cool.
00:52:58
Cool. Okay. Should we take a break? We've gone way. >> I feel I assumed you were putting a
00:53:02
break in there somewhere. >> Here is a natural spot for a break. >> Okay. >> We'll be right back.
00:53:16
>> Welcome back. I have a question. What does the coach do? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> So, like, you know, Mike Brown, you
00:53:24
know, he's the Knicks coach. He coached the Sacramento Kings before this. Yes. >> Got booted off the Sacramento Kings.
00:53:30
>> Wow. Um, >> ball knowledge. Just saying. >> You know how many teams he's been fired
00:53:35
from? Like half a dozen. It's crazy. >> And it's because there has to be I think there's a tech
00:53:41
analogy for that, too. The top team is like trade tech. Just every employee of a major tech company, look at their
00:53:48
LinkedIn. They look like a coach in the NBA. >> That goes somewhere else. Yeah. >> Tesla, Apple, Google.
00:53:52
>> Because my question about the coach is like, you know, they like call timeouts
00:53:56
and then they talk to the players, but like what are they talking to them about? Like how does this work?
00:54:00
>> Yeah. So the the coach knows the range of talents of the players really well.
00:54:05
And before every game, they do the hard work of looking at what the other team is really good at and how their team
00:54:10
compares and what they should do to beat the other team. Okay. >> So, the players, they come to the table
00:54:15
with their skills and they're like, "Yeah, I'm going to dunk it." And they're like, "All right, you're good at
00:54:20
dunking it. I'm going to put you in positions where you get a lot of dunks. >> But if you're playing against a team
00:54:24
that's really good at defending dunks, they're like, "All right, you're going to get rebounds and pass out to the
00:54:29
shooter because they're bad at defending shooters." >> So, they're the brains orchestrating
00:54:33
what the players are doing in theory. >> Yeah. I mean, if we're talking about like uh like a tech analogy, if we go if
00:54:40
we go to the hardware side, they're like the logic board or whatever. You know, >> it is you with a bunch of agents
00:54:46
>> who are the orchestrator. >> All the players think they're building this incredible thing, but they need the
00:54:49
person from outside to wrangle them back in, right? Like Snapchat could have used
00:54:54
a coach to tell them those glasses look ridiculous. >> Yeah. Yeah. Like, okay, so the Snapchat
00:54:58
CEO in this analogy >> who >> clearly is the one that thought those were a good idea. Well, I don't know
00:55:05
about that. >> I think it seems like it. I don't know. >> But so whoever the the person was that
00:55:12
was pushing for the Snapchat spectacles the most. >> Yeah. The specs. >> The specs. Um
00:55:19
that person is like a basketball player that needs to be wrangled in >> and needs to be told you're shooting too
00:55:25
much and you're not making your shots. Yeah. >> So we're going to bench you. >> Okay.
00:55:29
>> So that's the purpose of a coach is >> So that's like the board. >> Sure. Maybe
00:55:34
>> cuz the board can like switch out the can switch out the CEO if they're not doing a good job.
00:55:40
>> Yeah, kind of. >> Yeah. >> This is not a pure onetoone because there's also some way to say that like
00:55:45
the coach could be the coach and the assistant coaches could be like a CEO, COO, CMO, that sort of thing.
00:55:51
>> There's an assistant coach, too. >> There's like multiple assistants, a >> bunch. What do they do?
00:55:55
>> Mike Brown famously this year was very collaborative. That was part of why they
00:55:58
hired him. He was very open to listening to his assistant coaches that focused on
00:56:04
different, >> you know, areas of the game. So, in pure basketball terms, the Knicks had like an
00:56:10
assistant that was more focused on the offense. They had an assistant that was more focused on the defense. Okay.
00:56:15
>> They had another guy that would sit on the second row that literally his whole
00:56:19
job was, should we review this play or not? Because you get to challenge plays. >> Oh.
00:56:24
>> If you think that the referees got the call wrong. Yeah. And the Knicks had a
00:56:28
super high conversion rate on successful challenges of bad calls. >> The legal team.
00:56:34
>> That's like their legal team actually. >> Should we appeal this lawsuit? >> Yeah.
00:56:38
>> It's like, is the lawsuit worth pursuing? Yes or no? That's basically they have an assistant that's like that.
00:56:42
That's like their legal counsel. >> Okay. >> Um but yeah, the coach makes decisions
00:56:47
that >> it leads to the overall success and and cycles people in and out. >> So a board is probably a good thing. you
00:56:55
know, brings in turnover, has some churn, >> you know, to make sure that things stay
00:56:59
fresh, manages egos. >> Player is doing pretty well, but kind of getting tired. Hey, I know you're good,
00:57:04
but you're getting tired. Let me put the bench player on. >> They also set the road map in a way
00:57:09
because so for example, the Knicks this year played a style of defense under their old coach where you would try to
00:57:15
force people to the perimeter to try to get them away from the inside of the >> so that they could get more two-pointers
00:57:21
because Jaylen Brunson is good at two-pointers. Well, so this I'm talking about what they would do on defense. So
00:57:26
the Knicks would try to make the other team not get to the inside for easy shots. Right. Right. Oh, exactly.
00:57:31
>> And then the Knicks during their worst stretch this year tried something new and said, "What if we defended the
00:57:35
perimeter a lot, the three-point shot, and let teams get to the inside?" And then teams were just getting layups left
00:57:40
and right, and it was not pretty. So then they switched their scheme back. >> They didn't have like a wombby.
00:57:46
>> Yeah. >> Right. Yeah. Right. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Alex just broke a little bit. The Spurs,
00:57:52
>> they didn't have anyone to flagrant foul their the other team. >> Yeah, the Spurs, you might know, have a
00:57:56
player who's 7 foot6 with really long arms called Victor Wimyama. >> Defensive player of the year. And so
00:58:03
their entire defensive strategy, if you were smart, the coaches would go, "Hey, >> really close out on anyone trying to
00:58:11
shoot a three-pointer. Make them stop, pump fake, and try to dribble and drive for a two because we've got an alien in
00:58:16
there who will just block everything." >> Is it pump fake where you pretend to shoot and then you don't?
00:58:19
>> Yes. Yeah. Yeah, Steph Curry does that a lot. >> Yes, he's very good at it. >> It's like when you're about to ship a
00:58:23
product and then you don't like air power. >> It's like >> It's like head fake. >> It's like the street manifesto.
00:58:31
>> We're releasing. Just kidding. >> You got pump fakes, bro. >> Yeah. >> David just broke inside.
00:58:41
>> Okay. Okay. Speaking of >> GTA, they are the best at pump face. >> That's true. That's true. Look at this
00:58:50
trailer. Look at this trailer. >> You mentioned You mentioned the uh the ref. >> Yes.
00:58:54
>> So, I went to a basketball game with you. >> Yeah. >> Um Well, no, we watched it together.
00:58:58
>> We watched it on TV, but yeah, >> on TV. >> I yelled at the refs a lot. I lost my
00:59:01
voice. >> So, there were multiple points in the game where the ref would come out and he
00:59:05
would talk about the type of foul. So, can you explain the types of fouls that exist?
00:59:11
>> Yeah. Wow. It's so good. That's literally the next thing on the document. Are you sure you didn't read
00:59:14
this? >> I'm not on the document. >> That's crazy. >> There's two types of fouls.
00:59:18
>> All right. So there's there's different types of fouls and violations. >> Yeah.
00:59:23
>> So we'll start with just a foul. >> Okay. >> So a foul is when a player prevents
00:59:28
another player from taking andor making a shot. >> Isn't that what you're supposed to
00:59:31
>> Well, we should start with the fact that basketballity of it. >> Basketball is a quote non-cont sport.
00:59:36
>> Yes. >> Oh. >> So in the basic sense, you can guard, but you can't make too much contact
00:59:42
>> and that would be a foul. >> Unless you're Victor Wim. >> Yes. >> If you make too much contact, it's a
00:59:47
foul. The referees are the ones who decide how much contact is too much contact.
00:59:52
>> And the thing is, especially with shooting, you're allowed to affect them however you can without
00:59:58
touching their body while they're shooting. >> Unless you're Victor Wyama. >> Unless you're Victor.
01:00:03
>> Yeah. So, unless you're Victor Wyama. Uh, anyway. >> Okay. >> But, so the basic rule of fouling is if
01:00:09
someone is trying to shoot, you can do whatever you can without touching their arms.
01:00:13
>> Okay. >> Uh, you can also touch the ball. That's legal. And if you just touch the ball,
01:00:17
that's called all ball. You hit the ball, that's a block. >> Nice block. >> It's a block,
01:00:22
>> right? But if you hit their arm, then you're affecting their ability to shoot,
01:00:26
and that's a foul. >> Okay. >> Right. >> I feel like it's got to be more than just your arms because if I just punch
01:00:30
someone in the gut. >> Well, no, that that also I'm trying to make it as simple as I can. But yes, if
01:00:34
you do anything, that's a WMY foul. Um, >> it's any level of contact with the player at
01:00:39
>> Yeah. like breaking their ACL while they're shooting, while they're dribbling, anything. It's obviously more
01:00:45
important to not foul when they're shooting because if you foul someone while they're shooting, then they go to
01:00:50
the free throw line to make up for it. >> Okay? >> So, if I go to take a shot and you don't
01:00:55
foul and I make it, great. If I miss, oh well. But if I go to take a shot and you
01:01:00
foul me now, I can go take those two free throws because I probably would have made it if you didn't foul me.
01:01:06
>> So, if you think someone's got a lot of bugs, foul them because they suck at free. You can also think of this a bit
01:01:10
like >> like a data breach where a company goes, "Whoopsie, we accidentally gave your
01:01:16
credit card information away. You can join a class action suit and get $5 from us now." And that's your free throw.
01:01:21
>> That's why it's only worth. >> So, >> yeah. Right. Yeah. One point. Yeah. >> One point. Okay. Yeah. $5. One point.
01:01:27
>> Yeah. $5. One point. >> Each each point in the NBA is worth $5. >> Now, the thing the thing that you were
01:01:32
talking about, which is the referee going to the table and figuring out what type of foul it is,
01:01:36
>> is if you foul someone. so hard and so egregiously. You break the rules so hard, it is more than a normal foul.
01:01:45
>> Yeah. >> Then they'll penalize you even more than just free throws. >> So if someone goes to shoot or whatever
01:01:51
and I punch you in the chest or whatever Andrew said. >> Yeah. >> If you do what would do average,
01:01:57
>> that would be called not just a common foul, but that's a flagrant foul. >> And there's actually flagrant foul level
01:02:01
one or level two. >> And the penalty is worse. A flagrant foul level one is >> free throws and you get the ball again.
01:02:10
>> Oh, you get to start with the ball after the game. >> And a flagrant foul level two is free
01:02:15
throws and the ball again and the player that committed it gets immediately tossed from the game. They get the rest
01:02:20
of the game for the rest of the game. >> It's a red card, baby. >> It's a red card.
01:02:24
>> But you're allowed to have a player sub in for them right on the court. So red
01:02:27
cards, you lose >> red card, you lose the player spot. >> Wait, Adam, have you ever watched soccer
01:02:31
before? That's weird. >> It's called football, actually. So if you lo how what do you have to do
01:02:37
to get a red card? That would be flagrant level two. >> Flagrant level two. >> So sometimes one less player the whole
01:02:42
game. >> No, no, no. Not in basketball. That's only for soccer. So soccer you do lose a
01:02:46
player for the whole rest game, >> right? So So sometimes there's some super heavy level of contact and the
01:02:52
player falls over. It looks like he's hurt and they called it a regular foul, but they're like, well actually maybe
01:02:56
that was a lot. So they'll go and review it, look at the replay and decide we're
01:03:00
going to upgrade that or not to a flagrant. A large part of flagrant fouling too is that they determined that
01:03:06
it was not a basketball play that it was just with the intent of hurting someone
01:03:10
basically. Um, >> so the tech equivalent >> would be like, see, it's it's a little
01:03:14
different in tech again, but there are rules. >> There are laws. There are laws.
01:03:20
>> There are laws. >> There you go. And these companies are supposed to follow these laws, but
01:03:26
sometimes they will do things that are against the rules and they should be penalized for it.
01:03:32
>> And that will come in the form of like, you broke the law, now we're going to
01:03:36
sue you. You'll get sued. >> Yeah. and BMW cheating on gas emissions, >> for example. Yeah,
01:03:41
>> that might even be considered a flagrant foul. Sometimes the the the things that
01:03:46
they do are so obviously cheating and so obviously against the rules that they get penalized above and beyond almost to
01:03:53
make an example of them. >> This happens all the time in tech with companies that would be like a flagrant
01:03:57
foul. >> Yeah. Okay. >> It should really affect you. >> So physically, what's the difference
01:04:01
between flagrant foul level one and level two? Often it's just intent or follow through. They'll say things like
01:04:08
wind up impact and follow through or excessive. >> It actually it actually carries sort of
01:04:13
a similar thing to like manslaughter versus murder. >> Yeah. >> It's like were you just reckless or were
01:04:18
did you have malice aforought about what you were going to do? >> Okay. Did you put a Did you Was there a
01:04:24
bug in the software or did you put a tracker in the software? >> When Motorola had the the
01:04:31
>> Was that a whoopsie or was that a We're trying to make a lot of money. >> Exactly. Okay.
01:04:36
>> And so that that is the tech equivalent thing. >> Okay. So you in theory the teams play by
01:04:40
the rules the whole time, but it's competition like they're going to be pushing the rules. They're going to be
01:04:43
pushing the limits all the time. Fouls are expected to happen. Yeah, >> we would hope that the referees
01:04:50
>> accurately set the line in the same place every time so the players know exactly how aggressive they're going to
01:04:55
be. >> Sometimes they don't and then refs you suck is one of the chants that sports
01:04:59
fans will say because >> they don't get it right every time. >> And I am I correct that if you get three
01:05:05
flagrant fouls in a season, you get kicked off for the rest of the season. >> No,
01:05:09
>> there's a couple of rules around fouls. Uh, if one player fouls six times in one
01:05:15
game, >> regular foul, >> regular foul, >> six regular fouls in one game, they're
01:05:19
out for the rest of the game. >> Okay. >> Yet, that's the limit for regular fouls.
01:05:22
>> Okay. >> Uh, if one player has two flagrant penalty ones, >> Yeah. >> they're ejected
01:05:29
>> for the rest of the game. >> For the rest of the game. >> If a player has a single flagrant
01:05:33
penalty two, they're ejected for the rest of the game. >> But the other thing that I was
01:05:36
explaining, I know that I know why you're asking this because I explained this to you the other day.
01:05:39
>> Yeah. But basically in the postseason especially there's you get a certain number of points.
01:05:46
>> What's the postseason? >> The postseason is the playoffs. >> That's like September, October.
01:05:50
>> After the regular season is done, then you play for the championship. That's called the postseason.
01:05:54
>> Yeah, you're going to have to explain those. >> That's busy season. >> Yeah, it's busy season, right?
01:05:58
>> When we have our iPhone events, our playoffs, that's our playoffs. our playoffs, which is our analogy from
01:06:03
yiddle. Watch yiddle. Um >> um but yeah, so basically in the postseason during the most important
01:06:11
games during the playoffs. >> So the postseason is the playoffs. >> Is the playoffs. It's those are Yeah,
01:06:16
they're >> the playoffs are when the Eastern Conference and the Western Conference
01:06:18
compete >> against each other and then the winner of each conference faces each other in
01:06:22
the finals, which is why the Knicks just face the Spurs. >> And all the points you get in the
01:06:26
regular season, only some teams make it to the playoffs. >> Yes. So, in the regular season, you're
01:06:30
trying to make it to the playoffs, then matching happens, and then you're slowly
01:06:34
working towards >> and then you all play each other and then figure out who the true best team
01:06:38
is. >> Okay. >> Uh, wait for >> So, as it relates to fouls in the postseason, the playoffs, synonyms,
01:06:49
>> uh, if you get a certain number of flagrant fouls in the postseason, then you get suspended for an additional
01:06:57
game. So should have been suspended for an additional game against the Knicks because he committed numerous flagrant
01:07:03
fouls. But we'll call him like open AI. They get to steal your data, train their
01:07:08
models on stuff illegally. And yet somehow there's just a government blind eye to it and they never really get
01:07:13
penalized. >> Get over the number of flagrant fouls. >> Well, he should have. >> He should have had a number of more
01:07:18
flagrant fouls. >> Yeah, it it was like open AI, did you flagrant foul steal all those videos
01:07:22
from like what? So the so the play where he shoved Brunson into the ground was a
01:07:27
was a basketball play is what you're telling me. >> This was a referee issue that you have.
01:07:31
>> Yes, it's a referee issue. It's a regulatory issue. >> If you are this is and we'll get into
01:07:34
fandoms in a second. >> If you are if you are a fan of one of these tech companies/ teams then you may
01:07:42
>> each other was a bad idea. >> You may interpret the lawsuits that hit them a little bit differently than if
01:07:48
you are not. >> Oh, I see. That's >> all I'm saying is your dad and I are fans of the same tech company in this
01:07:54
analogy. So >> speak carefully, pal. >> I'm just saying if there are there are a
01:07:59
lot of people who are especially like I I try to consider myself neutral. I don't have a horse in the race. I've
01:08:04
seen lots of fouls that I would think are flagrants that don't get called from both teams, but that's up to the refs.
01:08:12
So the referees are humans instead of machines. And so they almost act like a like a hand on the scale a little bit
01:08:19
sometimes where it can feel like >> certain referees are are almost like only judging one way. They're only
01:08:26
enforcing the rules for one company and not the other whole series. >> Yeah, it feels kind of weird.
01:08:32
>> Uh there's famously a couple pill's a bigger Knicks fan than me at this point and it's crazy.
01:08:40
>> There's famously a referee. I'm trying to remember the stat, but Chris Paul is
01:08:43
like, "Oh, for 12 against Scott Foster in the playoffs or something." Like, every time this one referee has refereed
01:08:50
this one player in a playoffs game, he has lost. Similar to every time this one judge judges this one company in a
01:08:58
lawsuit, they lose every time. And it's like, okay, they're a judge. They're supposed to be impartial, and every case
01:09:03
should be unique, but damn. Oh, and 12 against this judge. This seems kind of like a vendetta at this point. Have they
01:09:10
ever charged any of the refs for like >> there? Oh, famously a ref in the 2000s was busted for betting on games and
01:09:18
fixing games. >> This is >> That's probably happened more now, right? >> It's got to start happening way more
01:09:22
actually in Coffeezilla. It's not refs, but players are like doing stuff like this.
01:09:28
>> There were players that were like talking about betting websites and stuff. >> There was there are some who are like,
01:09:32
I'm going to go out in the first quarter with like a foot injury, so bet that I'm
01:09:36
the under. There was an NBA player within the last couple years that got banned for life for doing that. He was a
01:09:41
very low-level player and he would he would he had he had a Discord group thing.
01:09:46
>> So funny. >> And would put he would be like, "Guys, bet the under on my rebounds today."
01:09:51
He's like, "I'm going to he's like, "I'm going to check in for 30 seconds and then say my tummy hurts and tell myself
01:09:55
out." >> That's insane. >> He put that in writing. >> Yeah, >> there's a good coffee z
01:10:00
>> in a Discord, dude. >> Stupid. That's so stupid. So anyway, yeah, we we hope for the refs to be just
01:10:05
like judges, impartial, but >> they're not. >> That is interpreted very much based on
01:10:10
uh where you are if you're maybe working for companies. Exactly. >> I do feel like we should This is going
01:10:16
so long already. I feel like we should start moving. But I have one other violation I want to highlight cuz I'm so
01:10:20
proud of my analogy. >> Okay. >> Okay. So, there's a thing called a shot clock violation.
01:10:24
>> Okay. >> Have you noticed when you're watching basketball, David, since you're a huge
01:10:27
basketball fan now? major. >> Every every time the team gets the ball, >> there's 24 seconds that starts
01:10:33
>> I didn't know it was 24, but I've seen the clock go down. >> So, there's when you get the ball, when
01:10:37
you're on offense, when you're trying to score the ball, you have 24 seconds to take a shot that at minimum hits the
01:10:43
rim, right? That's the that's what resets the shot clock each time. That's a >> reset to 24.
01:10:48
>> To 24 or if you get your rebound, it resets it to 14. >> 24 seconds every time you have the ball
01:10:53
to >> every time you try to hit. >> For simplicity, yes. >> For simplicity, yes.
01:10:56
>> And it's four if you're ahead. So you don't just keep playing keep away for >> for seconds.
01:11:00
>> No, no, no. Like if you're the team that is winning, then you can't just play
01:11:04
keep away. >> You can't just hold the ball forever. >> And if you don't do it, they just give
01:11:07
it to the other team. >> Yes. So that you you nailed it. That's what I was about to explain. So if you
01:11:12
if you go 24 seconds and you don't shoot, then you give the ball to the other team. You you've turned the ball
01:11:17
over. That's called the turnover. Oh, >> right. >> Uh so my analogy for this that I'm I
01:11:22
think looking through this is my favorite one. >> Apple >> Mhm. has committed a 24- secondond
01:11:28
violation with Apple intelligence. >> They said they were going to release it >> and they took way too long to release it
01:11:34
and now they have been forced to hand the ball over to Google Gemini. >> Wow. >> Oh, that's good.
01:11:41
>> Wow, that is good. >> Shock violation on Apple >> because it street light needs a shock
01:11:46
violation. >> Rockstar. >> Rockar needs a 24. >> Rockstar is >> they've committed numerous 24
01:11:52
violations. I could do the Rockstar one and our audience would love it. >> But Street Street light hurts David.
01:11:58
>> There have been at least two comments about my Street Light Manifesto. >> Well, those two people, if they made it
01:12:02
this far, are very upset. >> Street light manifesto hurts David more. >> What's the shock violation on the
01:12:07
roadster? >> That's Yeah, Tesla has committed a shot clock violation. >> I think they committed about I think
01:12:13
they committed about five in a row. >> Yeah. Okay. I have one question. >> Yes. >> At least.
01:12:19
>> So, you know, I there were a couple instances during this series. where um the ball was like over the hoop and then
01:12:26
a guy knocked it over and he got in trouble for knocking it off. >> Why? Why do you get in trouble for that?
01:12:32
>> I know the term. >> Explain. >> Goending. Correct. Goending. >> Is it once the ball is on the trajectory
01:12:38
down you are then not allowed to stop the ball? >> Yeah. Why? >> So cuz players could just reach over the
01:12:43
net every time. They could just jump up and knock it over. >> So you could just >> Okay. Is that considered like a foul
01:12:50
type thing? you. It counts as a maid shot. >> Breaking the rule. >> Oh, it counts as a maid shot.
01:12:54
>> Yeah. So, if a player goes to shoot it and it goes up and starts coming down towards the basket and you reach up and
01:13:01
hit it when it's supposed to give it a chance to go to go in, >> that is a breaking the rules violation.
01:13:06
>> They will count that as a made shot. They'll count that as a shipped shot. >> They give them the point.
01:13:10
>> You get the full two points or three points. >> So, you really don't want to commit that
01:13:14
violation cuz you just give them a shipped product. So, but if you hit it out of the way while it's heading
01:13:18
towards the apex of the parabola, >> Mhm. >> then that's fine. That's a block. >> That's cool.
01:13:23
>> Yeah. >> Similarly, if the ball, this is NBA specific, bounces off the rim and is
01:13:28
still over the rim. >> Yeah. >> Like in the cylinder of the rim, >> you're not allowed to touch it.
01:13:33
>> Okay. >> Until it leaves the cylinder. >> And actually, in in international basketball, you are allowed to, which is
01:13:39
interesting. >> That's an weird >> It's such a weird discrepancy of how basketball is played around the world.
01:13:44
Yeah, that's the EU. Oh my god, this is that's USBC on iPhones >> is being able to hit it off.
01:13:51
>> But then sometimes the rules from international come back to the NBA. They have not they have not adjusted.
01:13:56
>> I think it's more like in the EU there's different power plugs. Yeah. >> So like every power plug here in the US
01:14:02
we kind of know is basically the twoprong or the threep prong and then you go to Europe and it's like oh that's
01:14:07
kind of still a two-prong but a little different. Like they have a slightly different rule set right but it's mostly
01:14:12
the same principles. We're not even really getting into this, but there's robust other forms of basketball in
01:14:18
college basketball, international basketball, multiple international leagues around the world.
01:14:22
>> Yeah. >> And in many of the leagues, it's played oh so slightly different. Okay.
01:14:25
>> We're mostly doing NBA rules here. >> Yeah. But NBA rules is where we're sticking to.
01:14:28
>> That is goalending that you speak. >> Goending. Yeah. >> Uh I don't know if there's a tech
01:14:33
equivalent of goalending. Like the 24 violation is pretty obvious, but fouls are pretty obvious. But I think
01:14:38
goalending is just another like breaking the rules thing where it's pretty clear
01:14:42
the referee can see it. You will get sued. You will >> Is there anything else small like that
01:14:47
that you're not allowed to do? >> Yeah, there's little things. You're not allowed to kick the ball if your foot
01:14:51
makes contact with the ball to kick ball violation. >> You're not allowed to stop dribbling and
01:14:55
then start dribbling again or move without dribbling. That's either travel or a double dribble
01:15:00
>> unless you're OG and an OG. >> Yeah, De'Arren Fox got to double dribble right in the middle of a Finals game and
01:15:06
they didn't call it for some reason. Hm. We'll see you on the spurs. >> Uh-huh. >> All right. Now you guys understand the
01:15:10
game. We'll talk about some lore after the break. We'll be right back. All right, welcome back. I think now
01:15:24
we've basically covered the rules and violations of the game enough that the last thing we should do is fill you in
01:15:29
on some of the lore that got us to this point in the modern NBA. Um, and there's
01:15:33
so many things we could talk about, but I think the ones that have the best tech
01:15:37
equivalents are the ones that we should give you guys. I'm going to start with one of my favorite, LeBron James.
01:15:42
>> Have you heard of LeBron James? >> I know that guy. Yeah. >> Great. They call him the king.
01:15:45
>> Do you know how old he is? >> 45. >> He's more or less. More or less. He's over 40, right? You nailed it.
01:15:52
>> He is still to this day at 41, one of the top 20 best players on the planet, I
01:15:59
would say. >> Crazy. That is crazy because he came in as a rookie in I'm going to get this
01:16:04
wrong. 2007 >> 2003 >> 2003 he was drafted first pick of the 2003 NBA draft. So LeBron James
01:16:12
>> straight from high school. I was in grade >> with the longevity of his career and
01:16:16
being one of the best is essentially like the iPhone came out a really long time ago was one of the best and many
01:16:24
others competitively have come and gone since then and and maybe at certain peaks could have been considered
01:16:29
slightly better than him, but he was always one of the best. And here we are two decades later still one of the best.
01:16:35
A lot of his competition bankrupt, totally gone. LG, HTC, Essential, come and gone. iPhone still around. No, gone
01:16:44
and come back and probably gone again. >> Blackberry, bro. >> Blackberries were big.
01:16:49
>> So, why didn't he win the championship? >> So, he is I mean, it's a team sport, so
01:16:54
you can't win every year by yourself. But he is from an era where when he first came around, there were like these
01:17:00
big dynasties of teams of the past. Almost all of the players that were act sorry every single player that was
01:17:07
active when he was drafted has retired. >> Okay. Every single one. >> Has Yaoing retired?
01:17:13
>> Yo has retired >> a long time ago. I loved Yaoing though. >> And there's And you know when you look
01:17:18
at that time in the past it was like oh Blackberry was really big. No key was really big. Samsung was kind of starting
01:17:24
to get big and you look at all the waves of all the things that have happened since then and now he's part of the
01:17:29
modern NBA and the landscape is totally different and he's still one of the best. It's kind of insane his longevity.
01:17:35
>> Yeah. Okay. >> Some people call him a goat. There will always be debates about it just like the
01:17:39
iPhone. But that is LeBron James' career. >> Do you want to know a fun fact? >> Sure.
01:17:43
>> LeBron James has been playing elite level NBA basketball four years longer than the iPhone has existed.
01:17:50
>> That's That's insane. That's crazy. >> Literally more. He literally has been around longer than
01:17:56
>> Taco Tuesday. Keeping him going. >> Taco Tuesday. >> Isn't this stat like he's played against
01:18:01
40% of the NBA ever or something? >> Oh, probably. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like 40% of all NBA
01:18:08
players that have ever played, he's played. >> What? >> He's so good. I imagine if he had kids,
01:18:12
they'd probably be really good in the NBA. >> He has one. >> I know. >> And he has a second one who maybe will
01:18:17
make the NBA. I don't know. >> Yeah. Is there a tech equivalent of that? if like Apple had like a subbrand
01:18:21
that spun off and like became another crazy >> smartphone company. >> But they >> Well, there's a nothing in CMF.
01:18:29
>> I was thinking nothing in CMF. Yeah, but nothing isn't like LeBron level. >> We already put
01:18:35
>> Who's the CMF Phone Pro 2? >> Um >> Oh, was that CJ? >> CJ. Yeah, >> there's also like OPPO and uh Realme and
01:18:44
like Vivo and Yeah, you know, that's a bad analogy. Subbrands are way too easy to make in tech. It's impossible to have
01:18:49
a son in the NBA. >> Is it really? >> He's done it. It's insane. >> Wait, what about
01:18:53
>> Hey, Jaylen Brunson. >> Jaylen Brunson. >> Sorry. It's impossible to have a son in
01:18:57
the NBA while you were still in the NBA. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He
01:19:01
was the only one to ever do that. Yeah. I think >> Jay Brunson did that. >> No, no, no, no. LeBron playing with his
01:19:05
own son. >> Playing with his own son. >> In the NBA on the same table through him
01:19:10
an alioop in. >> Yeah, I was about to say LeBron has thrown an alioop to his son.
01:19:14
>> To his son in a real NBA game. >> That's unbelievable. I'll show you the clip after this.
01:19:19
>> Crazy. Wow. >> There's also Wait, can you turn your computer towards him? >> There's my favorite NBA photo ever is
01:19:25
LeBron recording the All-Star game on like a Next Dell phone back in the day. That was LeBron.
01:19:30
>> That doesn't even look like him. >> His rookie year. That's how long he's been.
01:19:33
>> That's him as a child >> before his facial hair. >> Yeah. >> Damn. >> Yep. >> That's crazy. So, yeah. Good stuff.
01:19:38
Okay. >> Uh, so if we want to jump more to the current NBA, >> we're doing L drop.
01:19:44
>> Yeah. But this is this is where I get to speak the praises of of the New York
01:19:48
Knicks. >> Is there any lore about Mike? >> Hasn't happened yet. >> This is where it starts. This is where
01:19:52
it starts. >> I just need is there any lore about Mike Bby? >> I didn't write any down, but
01:19:57
>> something up. >> Wait, Mike Bby is awesome. Are you aware of what Mike Bibbyy's up to these days?
01:20:01
>> Don't say crypto scammer. >> Tommy is a crypto. >> He retired as like a very like live NBA
01:20:09
point guard and then randomly just decided to get mega jacked. >> Yeah, he's the
01:20:13
>> dude. Wait, what? >> You're Mike Bivby. You're jacked up. >> The last time I saw Mike Bivby, he was
01:20:22
really, really look up a picture of Mike Bivby in the current day. He randomly just decided to get like mega jacked,
01:20:29
dude. >> Um, okay. I also need to know about um uh the guy that did the palm phone,
01:20:36
>> Steph Curry. >> Steph Curry. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> What about him? I just need to know his
01:20:40
lore cuz I feel like he's >> he has a tech product. >> Uh did I Steph Curry down?
01:20:44
>> Steph Curry has changed the game and I do want to think of a good product that
01:20:48
has changed the game in the way that Steph Curry has changed. >> Let's brainstorm it.
01:20:51
>> So what's a product that existed for a long time and then someone came along and redid it a little bit and completely
01:20:57
changed it for the future? the iPhone >> or Apple silicon is another or electric
01:21:02
cars like Tesla Model S Hyundai specifically were like >> Hyundai >> they're doing decent but they weren't
01:21:08
and then like they kind of make a made a pivot with their EVs. >> Yeah, I like Tesla Model S. Okay,
01:21:13
>> for so we had cars for forever. Everybody could make cars. We had a whole competitive landscape, lots of
01:21:19
lore, lots of cars. Somebody comes along and makes an electric car that's actually effective because electric cars
01:21:25
reputation before wasn't all that. But then the Tesla Model S comes along. >> And then you look at post Tesla Model S
01:21:31
and there's a vibrant landscape of electric cars. Everyone is doing an electric car.
01:21:35
>> True. Okay. That is Steph Curry. Before Steph Curry, there were some threes. There were some teams that had
01:21:40
sharpshooters. Pisakovich. You might have heard that name before. >> Some threes. Exactly.
01:21:47
>> I'm just saying that cuz you've said that before. >> That's uh but you look at post Steph
01:21:50
Curry. >> Yeah. entire teams build their entire strategy around multiple people being as
01:21:56
good at three-point shooting as possible on their team. It is just a different landscape now that he's done that.
01:22:01
>> It's actually it really works with the Tesla thing, too, because the Tesla Model S, I don't know if anyone would
01:22:05
ever say like this is the greatest car of all time, >> but they might say that this is the most
01:22:12
influential car of all time. And I think Steph doesn't often get talked about as
01:22:17
the greatest basketball player of all time, but I I think most hardcore basketball fans would say that he's the
01:22:22
most influential basketball player of all time. >> Of all time. >> Yes. >> Wow. >> Because he completely by his mastery of
01:22:28
three-point shooting changed how the entire league played. >> But the Knicks don't really focus on
01:22:33
threes as they do. >> Every single team now shoots way more threes than they do. I felt like the
01:22:40
Knicks missed almost every three they shoot. Well, the good thing was that the Knicks were adaptable, but they they did
01:22:45
they set a lot of team three-point records. They set some playoff three-point records in the earlier
01:22:50
rounds and stuff. They shot a lot of threes this year. >> The Spurs set a first half three-point
01:22:55
record in the game that they lost to the Knicks because they stopped making threes.
01:22:58
>> Oh. >> Back in the chokers, you would have like one or two players that can shoot
01:23:02
threes. >> So, you would have like a whole team of people that just played regularly and
01:23:07
then one guy that shot the three. And now it's like the whole team is built around people that can shoot threes.
01:23:12
>> And even another thing that's interesting about this is that now gets you to a lot of the comparisons between
01:23:16
old NBA and new NBA where it almost feels like a totally different sport. Like when you look at cars today and how
01:23:24
crazy they are versus like the record setting cars of the past were gooded for their time, but it's hard to compare
01:23:30
them with modern cars. Electric cars are faster because they're so different. Exactly. That's kind of what like the
01:23:35
record books look like today. Like you've heard of Michael Jordan, a lot of people consider him the greatest player
01:23:40
of all time. >> He didn't shoot threes like very much and wasn't very good at them.
01:23:45
>> And so a lot of people would argue if you put Michael Jordan in today's NBA, he wouldn't be one of the best players.
01:23:51
A lot of other people argue, well, he was he was all mental. He would have figured out a way to be good at
01:23:56
specifically. >> He did add threes to his bag late in his career. >> Very very late after not like modern
01:24:00
NBA. >> Yeah, actually for the the second three Pete, he was a much better three-point
01:24:05
shooter. Michael Jordan was >> freakishly athletic >> and basically made every two-pointer he
01:24:11
looked at. Okay. >> And was also the most psychotically driven athlete of all time probably. He
01:24:18
like >> famously would make up narratives against him. >> Steve Jobs. >> Yeah. Yeah. Sort of. He is sort of Steve
01:24:25
Jobs cuz he would be like >> he would be like this guy said that I'm trash and that he can guard me and
01:24:32
whatever. And it would be like one passing comment that a guy had made 5 years prior that was like, "Yeah, I
01:24:37
think I could try to guard Michael Jordan." He'd be like, "He thinks he can stop me. He thinks he can stop me and he
01:24:41
can't." >> So he would just create motivational energy for himself. >> Like there's If you watch the
01:24:46
documentary The Last Dance, they talk about this a lot. Uh with Michael Jordan making up fake narratives against
01:24:51
himself. >> I take that personally. >> Yeah. Yeah. Literally the meme and I took that personally.
01:24:55
>> That's a Michael Jordan meme? >> Yes. Okay. >> That was just him all the time.
01:24:59
>> Okay. Okay. Okay. Now he owns a NASCAR team, right? >> Yeah. His postNBA career is a whole lot.
01:25:04
>> He owned a basketball team at one point, too. He owned the Hornets for a minute.
01:25:07
Um, >> who's real bad at that? >> No crypto stands as far as we know. He sells sneakers.
01:25:12
>> I do think Steve is a really good because of a lot of the upside is like Savant, possibly the GOAT.
01:25:20
>> Nobody could do what he did, >> but also some of his shortcomings were kind of insane. Um, and maybe this is
01:25:27
like postc career Michael Jordan, but like one of the worst owners pro probably because he's bad at judging
01:25:31
talent. He's just like, "Hey, why can't you jump over the other guy like I did? Like just be better."
01:25:37
>> So he's a bad owner. >> Sounds like Steve Jobs to me. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Honestly,
01:25:40
>> I know this is physically impossible, but just do it. >> Like just be better. Like just be
01:25:44
better. >> And that's what MJ asked of everyone around him. >> Wow. >> At all times. And that's why teammates
01:25:49
did not love him. They talk about him now with reverence because they won championships, but they hated playing
01:25:55
with him at the time. >> Just like everyone that worked with Steve Jobs. Yeah. So,
01:25:58
>> I have another one. I want to make an analogy, a tech analogy. I don't have this fully fleshed out, but this one
01:26:02
right here. >> Oh, we were trying to figure this out and we wanted your opinion.
01:26:05
>> I want to try I want to try try something. >> Okay. >> Uh, the goal is to ship products as many
01:26:10
products as possible. >> There are record books for the most products anyone has ever shipped in a
01:26:15
single day. aka the most points any player has ever scored in a single game. >> Okay. Yeah.
01:26:21
>> Didn't we talk about this on the podcast? >> I think we did because Okay, >> famously Uhhuh.
01:26:26
>> you know, NBA teams today are scoring roughly 100 to 120 points a game. I was
01:26:31
going to ask if that's gone up over time >> with the three-point revolution era, etc.
01:26:37
>> The most points any one player has ever scored in a single game was back in the
01:26:41
day. This man named Wilt Chamberlain scored 100 points by himself in a single game
01:26:46
>> against >> against >> New York. Yeah. In >> against the Knicks. >> Now, there's a lot of a lot of lore
01:26:54
around this because one, there's no video of this, but there is tons of eyewitness accounts and radio and it's
01:27:01
it's definitely happened. It's just a bit of a mythological performance. >> Oh, interesting.
01:27:05
>> And there's a little bit of conspiracy about fudging the score key thing to get
01:27:09
him to 100. Yeah, but the idea is this was one of the most dominant players of all time,
01:27:15
>> but it's the 1960s. So, what equivalent? It's kind of like u in tech it would be
01:27:22
like the fastest car of that time. It' be like Jesse Owens or something. >> Yeah.
01:27:26
>> And you're like, that's not tech, but that's like a different sport. But the fastest thing of that time, the fastest
01:27:31
computer of that time was so much faster than every other computer. It's like, wow, that clearly is record beating,
01:27:37
etc. like a computer the size of a house with one megabyte of RAM. >> Let's say like the first time they hit 1
01:27:43
ghahz. >> Yeah, >> cuz they the I think the US government put like a sanction on like an export
01:27:49
sanction on the first computer that hit 1 ghahz cuz they were so scared of it like going to China or whatever.
01:27:55
>> That sounds about like Will Chamberlain mythos right now. >> That's basically Yeah. Nobody has gotten
01:28:01
anywhere near 100 points in a game. And if you look at the record books, most of
01:28:05
the top 50 performances for most points ever in a game are also Wilt Chamberlain.
01:28:11
>> He also had like 70s something. >> He had a season where he averaged over 50.
01:28:15
>> Yes. Which is impossible in today's NBA. So this really is like this record book
01:28:20
is like filled with this one guy from the 60s. >> And today, this year, there was a player
01:28:27
who got 83. >> Whoa. >> Which is the second most anyone has ever scored in a game. and it's the closest
01:28:33
anyone's gotten in a while. Uh, and so it was technically a legendary performance, but it was just by this one
01:28:39
guy who doesn't really No, it's a guy who doesn't really have any other records. You might not have even heard
01:28:43
of him. His name is Bam. >> Adabio, you've said that. >> We talked about it. I think we did
01:28:49
explaining that in tech terms as a segment one episode. >> Okay. And so we explained it as if it
01:28:55
was like uh >> I forgot what we said, but it would be like if the >> if the LG wing shipped like 50 million
01:29:03
phones or something. It's just like this crazy. You're like what? This doesn't seem right, but I guess it is
01:29:07
record-breaking. So congrats. >> Um yeah, it was it was an anomaly. And his team once he got to like 65, 70, 75
01:29:15
was like just >> give him the ball. We got to try to get this record. And that was the closest
01:29:20
anyone's ever gotten. Was the other team trying to stop him at that point or were
01:29:22
they just kind of >> So anytime anyone is near setting a record, everyone is trying to stop you
01:29:27
from setting the record against you because >> he also got a little bit of help from
01:29:30
the referees. He shot about 40 free throws in that game. >> What? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. That's crazy.
01:29:36
>> They're free. Take them. >> Which if you get fouled a lot, you got to make the free throw. Yeah. You don't
01:29:40
just get >> And I think he made about 30 free throws on his way to 83 points. >> Yeah. All right. So yeah, it's hard to
01:29:46
come up with a tech analogy for that, but uh the the third most points of all time was Kobe.
01:29:52
>> 81, another legend. Everybody respects 81. >> 81. Wow. In one game. >> In one single game, which is crazy. Uh
01:29:59
there's a lot of career highs right around the 70 mark. But those are those are the legendary iconic performances.
01:30:06
Wilt, Bam, Kobe. >> What was Kobe specifically good at that made him so legendary?
01:30:10
>> Kobe was Michael Jordan. He was like a Michael Jordan clone with all the sliders set to like 90%.
01:30:17
>> Okay. 96 >> 96%. Yeah. Depending on the day. 90 to 96% depending on the day. But he he
01:30:24
basically modeled his entire game, personality, everything after Jordan. >> Okay.
01:30:28
>> Is there a Steve Jobs equivalent to that? Is there like a 96% Steve Jobs like also a psycho but just a little bit
01:30:35
less Sam Alman >> like in the current era? >> Yeah. >> Sam Alman >> really? Okay. I mean, I don't know. But
01:30:42
>> I mean, who who else is like ruthless? Like, I think Sam's pretty ruthless because he just lies about everything,
01:30:48
>> but also like gets to the point of like everyone outside the game thinks you're
01:30:52
a savant >> and sees all the massive chang. >> I don't think anyone thinks that of Sam
01:30:56
Alman >> cuz Kobe Kobe has a much better basketball reputation than Sam Alman has
01:31:01
a tech. >> Yeah, I would say so. Yeah. So yeah, maybe like um >> I guess I guess we don't really know
01:31:05
until Sam Alman's done though because the same thing with Steve Jobs where was like people at the time like didn't
01:31:10
necessarily love working with him, but now we'll idolize. >> What about like Lionus Torvald?
01:31:15
>> Interesting. That's a little more niche, but yeah, like very positive reputation.
01:31:18
>> Yeah, generally. But he's like can be mean. I think the Michael Jordan Steve Jobs thing is perfect because in the
01:31:23
moment he was like levitating like everybody understood that what this guy was doing was only something he could do
01:31:30
and then it would come out to people who know more ball were like it's kind of hard to work with this guy
01:31:35
>> but he will roflessly get you across the finish line cuz he's a psycho right >> and you're like all right yep it worked
01:31:40
>> so it's like a CEO that they pull in when the current CEO is not working just
01:31:45
to like get you across the finish line >> may maybe what I don't know if that's a
01:31:49
tech Yeah, like sometimes >> like a an interim CEO interim. >> Oh, interesting. Yeah, but yeah, I don't
01:31:57
know if there's a Kobe equivalent in >> I don't know if there is, but that was what Kobe was. So, if you if you could
01:32:02
find a tech CEO that's like 90 to 95% >> I have a bad one. >> Yeah, >> Elon. >> Oh,
01:32:10
maybe old Elon. Yeah, that almost >> new Elon is not It's kind of even hard to compare. He's not winning in the way
01:32:17
that Steve Jobs, >> right? He's winning in a different way. >> 2015 Elon with Tesla maybe just Tesla
01:32:23
Elon maybe is Kobe >> when people kind of saw him as a saf at the time. >> Interesting.
01:32:28
>> Okay. What's the next legend? >> I was going to talk about the current New York Knicks real quick. I think I
01:32:33
have a pretty good analogy that matches up >> actually with exactly with a tech thing.
01:32:39
Okay. >> Right. Okay. >> So, let's to wrap up talk about the best and worst teams of each conference right
01:32:44
now. Right. So, we'll talk about the New York Knicks first. I think I'm uniquely
01:32:48
qualified to uh talk about this. >> Uh let's go Nick. Next and five. >> Let's talk about Apple Silicon.
01:32:55
>> Okay. >> Right. Apple Silicon comes out in 2020. >> Yeah. >> Apple decides to put everything in their
01:33:00
own hands. They're going to make their own system on a chip. They're not going to rely on Intel anymore. Right.
01:33:04
>> Entire system on a chip. >> It works with Apple hardware >> and then all of a sudden
01:33:11
>> now it has completely redefined what computers are capable of. Honestly, like
01:33:15
not to >> praise Apple too much and get accused of being a fanboy. >> It's true though. It's true.
01:33:20
>> It is true. It It removed all the fragmentation, made everything >> they are designing their entire system
01:33:25
from the ground up. >> Yeah. >> Another thing that happened in 2020, the New York Knicks,
01:33:31
>> could have gone a different way, >> hired Leon >> hired Leon Rose to be their president of
01:33:35
basketball operations. Right. >> Okay. So, while they were way worse than Apple in years prior to that, uh, and
01:33:43
way worse than Intel Max, uh, because Intel Max were still good computers, the Knicks were not a good basketball.
01:33:48
>> The i9 one was kind of, >> yeah, I guess kind of like right before the Knicks hired Leon, they were like
01:33:53
the butterfly keyboard, uh, i9 Mac, >> putting in the in the freezer to cool it down, kind of
01:33:59
>> not not great. Yeah. So, they were not doing great. Things were fragmented. >> Things were not working well.
01:34:03
>> Sure. They hired Leon Rose and he made it his mission to build a cohesive team
01:34:09
like an M chip. >> Okay. >> Uh he prioritized first teammates that play for each other. Guys that are interested
01:34:19
in working together, being collaborative. >> The power of friendship. >> The power of friendship.
01:34:24
>> Wow. >> With Jaylen Brunson, Male Bridges, Josh Hart, college teammates, all that.
01:34:29
>> So they were college teammates. >> They were. >> They won college. I already knew this,
01:34:32
but I'm just for the audience. >> Yes, they were college teams. >> Wow. >> Well, college
01:34:37
>> uh UC Santa Cruz. >> No. >> Villanova. >> Villanova. >> Where? Where the heck is that?
01:34:42
>> The Nova Knicks. Uh Philly. >> Philly. >> Okay. >> It's a pretty big school. You know,
01:34:46
>> it's a very big school, man. I'm from California. >> All right. Well, anyway, so the Knicks
01:34:50
make it back to the playoffs in 2021 for the first time in almost a decade. They
01:34:55
sign Jaylen Brunson in 2022. eventually brings in a ton of cohesive players, builds them around Jaylen Brunson and
01:35:02
makes a perfect team that plays for each other and wins through the power of friendship, much like Apple system on a
01:35:08
chip. >> So, there's a different guy that does the team organizations that's not the
01:35:12
coach. >> Yes. He's called the president of basketball operations. >> Okay. The PB general manager.
01:35:17
>> There's also a general manager. The in basketball, it depends on how you want
01:35:22
your team to run. Some teams their highest guy is the general manager. Other teams, they go, "Well, we want
01:35:26
someone above the general manager, so we'll have the president of basketball operations and a general manager and
01:35:31
whatever." Um, the Knicks have a general manager, Al, basically. Yeah. The Knicks
01:35:36
have >> President of basketball operations sounds like a a title you make up as a
01:35:40
six-year-old when they ask you what you want to do. >> I want to be the president of the Knicks
01:35:44
someday. >> Yeah, that's me. Um, but anyway, now the New York Knicks are NBA champions before Joel Embiid has
01:35:54
ever made a conference finals. >> So, they all played basketball together in college.
01:35:59
>> Not all the Knicks, but three of them. >> Three of the starting five. That's pretty story book.
01:36:04
>> Yeah, it is. >> That's pretty cool. >> Yeah, >> I like that. >> That makes them the best team in the
01:36:08
East. The best team in the West was a San Antonio team, right? The uh worst team in the east is
01:36:16
>> Sacramento Kings. >> The Washington Wizards Washington Wizards. >> In the East. In the East.
01:36:21
>> In the East. >> In the East. >> And the worst team in the West >> was the Sacramento Kings.
01:36:24
>> Is it Sacramento? >> No. Really? >> I don't know if that was actually true, but they were pretty bad this year. So,
01:36:28
>> I don't think they could have been that bad. >> We picked it. No, they were >> When I was there in December, they shot
01:36:32
the laser, which they only do when they win. >> The beam. They call it the beam.
01:36:35
>> They played 80 games. >> They were tied for the worst. Uh with the Utah Jazz.
01:36:40
>> Yeah, they were. >> How about the Jasmine? Wasn't Michael Jordan on the Jazz?
01:36:43
>> No. No. He famously stole their soul year after year. >> He was on the Wizards. Uh but yeah, the
01:36:50
Wizards >> turn into the Blues. >> Okay. >> Also, I will say that um there's probably a tech equivalent to this.
01:36:58
>> The San the >> the Pacers. >> Okay. >> The Pacers were the best team in the East last season. They lost one player
01:37:08
and we're now the second worst team in the entire >> Sounds like the Devils the last couple
01:37:12
years. >> And then >> we didn't lose our player. Our player got his hand cut at dinner and then we
01:37:18
just fell apart. >> Uh he leaned on a piece of >> Did he did he mistake his steak for a
01:37:24
hand or or his hand for a steak? >> No. It was a steakhouse, but it absolutely destroyed our team.
01:37:30
>> Damn. Golden State did pretty bad this year. Is there a tech equivalent to being one of the biggest most successful
01:37:36
companies, losing a single person and then being one of the worst? >> Steve Jobs when he left Apple and then
01:37:42
they basically tanked and then they brought him back. >> All right, Tyrese Hallebertton, you
01:37:45
heard it here first. >> And then Hallebertton will come back and hopefully they'll be better. I guess I
01:37:49
the Knicks need a little bit of competition next year. So I would love if if the Pacers could come back better
01:37:54
cuz the rest of the East doesn't come back. >> They're essentially the same exact team
01:37:56
minus. >> Why do you want them to have competition? Do you want them to keep >> Cuz it's more fun. Honestly, it felt too
01:38:01
easy this year. >> Actually, that's a perfect perfect place to end this. Perfect place to end this.
01:38:05
Okay, >> Nick's missing the playoffs next year. >> We've been using this entire podcast to
01:38:09
try to explain sports, specifically NBA basketball in tech terms. And I think the number one overlap, the most obvious
01:38:16
similarity between the two is fanboyisms. >> In sports, you pick a team and you ride
01:38:23
or die with this team. Rationality be damned, >> right? >> They might be the best team. You get to
01:38:29
cheer for them. They might be one of the best teams. You call them the best team.
01:38:33
They might be kind of mid. You call them the best team. But as soon as they start
01:38:36
to get a little bit bad, you ruthlessly rag on them until you get them back good
01:38:40
again. >> But you you're mean to your own guys. >> You're mean to your own guys. We got to
01:38:43
get them better. This is and unacceptable. They have to be the best. They have to be the best.
01:38:48
>> Nicks fans famously during bad years will boo their own team to to tell to tell them that they suck.
01:38:53
>> To tell them that they suck. But it's the same thing in tech where I mean the
01:38:59
fanboyisms of like iPhone versus Android of like all these different companies, Macs versus PCs, like this is a tale as
01:39:06
old as time. >> I feel like it's even similar in the sense of like >> in tech, let's say like the our Android
01:39:14
subreddit is insane. >> Yeah. because it's so many different company fanboys in one place where if
01:39:21
you went to the Google subreddit, they would be like, "I can't believe Google's screwing us again. I can't believe it's
01:39:26
only uh 100 billion." Yeah. Yeah. But then in the Android subreddit, if someone says something bad about Google,
01:39:33
that same person who's like, "How dare you? We are the best. You are terrible. I don't care. What's your problem?
01:39:39
You're an idiot." >> And that is a onetoone perfect replica of what happens in sports. Okay? It's
01:39:46
like I'm allowed to say that. You're not allowed to say that. I'm allowed to say
01:39:48
that about my team. You can't say that about my team. And your team is even worse. So,
01:39:51
>> and you're not allowed to like your team. You're an idiot for >> You're an idiot for liking your Oh,
01:39:54
that's what Nick Knicks fans were told for years. >> Yeah. Okay. >> So, uh I would like to give you guys an
01:39:59
opportunity to pick an NBA team now to ride or die with and to defend them and to live with them the exact same way
01:40:07
till deathart >> for a tech team. >> Wait until you cuz I feel like you should just root for wherever you live.
01:40:13
So, that's the easy version of this. We're also conveniently located in a uh a desert where there used to be an NBA
01:40:19
team. RIP New Jersey Nets. >> Um, you can pick the New York team, you will just warn you.
01:40:26
>> I'm just warning you, you will get accused of bandwagoning. That's okay. That's okay. I've already
01:40:32
>> Hey, if you watch for 15 days before they watch >> I've given David the pass, right?
01:40:35
>> Many people do. >> And and the people who are already fans will give you a pass, but the people who
01:40:41
are not fans will call you bandwagon. Yeah, that's fine. I will give you the best.
01:40:45
>> There were some very dark years as a Knicks fan. Yeah. >> So, we're in a high era now.
01:40:50
>> We're past that. We'll never go back there again. >> As long as you like sort of pick a new
01:40:54
team later, right? >> Yeah. It's you can just move and get a new team later on. >> David's from Brooklyn, so you should be
01:40:59
with the Nets. >> No, that's true. That's true. You live in Brooklyn. You live in Brooklyn.
01:41:05
>> So, if you want >> No, it doesn't matter. I'm closer to Queens, to be honest.
01:41:09
>> Dude, the Nets The Nets aren't a real team. You don't need to root for them. >> I I have similar So, this is the thing.
01:41:14
I grew up in New Jersey >> and when I first started watching NBA basketball, coincidentally, the New
01:41:19
Jersey Nets were an incredible team. I remember I went to this uh this basketball camp randomly as a kid and
01:41:26
got to meet some of the players. I remember bald Richard Jefferson, prime Richard Jefferson comes over and like
01:41:32
rustles my hair and he's like, "What's up, kid?" I'm like, "Oh my god, Richard Jefferson." Like that that moment I will
01:41:38
have forever. Kenyan Martin, Carrie KDles, Jason Kid, like this team. You >> got to meet all them.
01:41:44
>> This was a team that went to the finals. That was an incredible team. >> They have not been the same since. They
01:41:50
have thus moved to Brooklyn and have been one of the stinkers who's been tanking and just horrible to watch.
01:41:57
>> Yeah, that's what happens to a lot of people that move to Brooklyn. >> Come a real stinker.
01:42:02
>> I come from uh I you know, that's the team I used to root for, but I I'm not a
01:42:07
diehard. They left me. I don't have a team anymore, so I kind of just root for players.
01:42:10
>> No, you know what's hilarious about that whole situation? Maybe there's a tech
01:42:13
analogy here. Jay-Z was a 5% stockholder or whatever in the Nets, >> right? >> They do this whole thing to move to
01:42:20
Brooklyn for Jay-Z cuz they're like, "Yo, we're moving with Hope. We're moving to Brooklyn." Whatever. Jay-Z
01:42:26
like one year after they move starts a sports agency and has to immediately divest from the company.
01:42:31
>> Damn. >> And leaves them high and dry and now is back to like cheering for the Knicks
01:42:34
again. >> So, okay, here's the thing. I feel like you should for life have to uh cheer for
01:42:41
like the closest team to where you were born. Okay. The problem with that for me
01:42:46
specifically is that the Kings have not won since 1951. >> Yeah. They're bad >> and they were called a different name.
01:42:52
This is your >> They were the Royals back then. >> Yeah. This is your opportunity to get on
01:42:56
on your Knicks. Like this is the feeling that Nicks fans have had for 50 years. >> All my life,
01:43:01
>> which is they've been bad for your entire conscious lifetime and they're finally good. M David, plant your flag
01:43:06
right now. >> You can plant your king's flag now. >> No, no, no. Not your king's flag.
01:43:10
>> If you No, if you I mean, you can >> I do have the mic baby bobblehead. >> So, if they do win, then I have like
01:43:16
some >> the baby bobblehead. That's true. >> I think that's a more credible, deeply
01:43:21
rooted like you could celebrate with tears if the Kings win. >> Here, I'll give you this also. People
01:43:27
are less mad if you have two teams you really like when they're in different conferences.
01:43:31
>> Yeah. So if you have a if you have like if you're like the Knicks are my Eastern
01:43:34
Conference team and the Kings are my Western Conference. That's all right. >> My flag.
01:43:39
>> I've kind of always had like a Western Conference team that I like. >> Who's your Spurs?
01:43:43
>> Oh, well I mean it's varied. >> No, absolutely not. >> It's actually varied for me, but like
01:43:48
for a long time I liked the Sonics when Ray Allen was there. Seattle. They're no
01:43:53
longer there anymore and hopefully will be coming back in the next couple years.
01:43:56
But then I liked um when Tracy McGrady was on the Houston Rockets with Yao Ming. I was a
01:44:00
>> So, you're doing what I do, which is like I I follow a player for a while that I really like to bring and when
01:44:06
they're a West Coast team, it's tough because I can't watch many games cuz they start their games like
01:44:09
>> See, I like that cuz I'm a night owl. So, I I like having a West Coast team that I mess with
01:44:13
>> like 1 a.m. I So, I was I've been a Chris Paul fan for basically his entire prime and he's bounced around a bunch of
01:44:19
West Coast teams and all of those teams have had heartbreaking disastrous losses, by the way. So, it's been tough,
01:44:25
>> but I'm I'm trying to watch more East Coast cuz Okay. >> I also don't really have a Western
01:44:30
Conference team right now because that was always a coping mechanism for me when the Knicks were terrible was like,
01:44:34
"Oh, what other team can I like just while the Knicks are terrible?" >> Andrew, what is your what are your
01:44:38
>> Well, so I was going to kind of bring that up. So, >> I feel like I have to be a Knicks fan.
01:44:43
One, cuz Alex then roots for the Devils with me when he watches hockey and he's not. So, I I have so many friends that
01:44:48
are Knicks fansship. Um, >> watching them throughout this was very funny. I mean, in game four when they
01:44:55
were down, my friend was like, "That's it. We lost the series. We're losing too far." And I was like, "That's the Knicks
01:45:00
fans I know." >> They were already up like they're going to win cuz that's the dejected nature
01:45:05
that I'm used to. >> But then I was going to say in basketball, you know, working with Marquez Song,
01:45:11
I've never seen a sport where people follow players as much rather than teams. >> What about
01:45:16
>> So Darius Garland, who does he play for? That's >> He now plays for the Clippers.
01:45:20
>> I'm a Clippers fan. That's my west coast team. Darius Garland all the way. >> The reason for that, by the way,
01:45:26
>> this well maybe maybe we can relate this to >> NBA players are more marketable.
01:45:30
>> They're marketable because you see their face all the time. >> And then also an NBA player, a single
01:45:35
NBA player can influence the entire fate of a team more than a single player in any other sport, any other team sport.
01:45:41
>> It's like if you were a quarterback that didn't have to wear helmet and you could
01:45:43
see their focus on team >> sport. But even a quarterback like with a bad offensive line, still a bad team.
01:45:48
>> Yeah. But it's still like they're still the guy. >> Like it's hard to be the guy in a lot of
01:45:52
things unless you're Conor McD. >> I have a question I should have asked earlier, but is related to the players.
01:45:58
Um, what exactly does it mean to be a free agent? >> Yeah. >> So, basically the way that basketball
01:46:04
works is you sign Actually, this this relates to >> We didn't really talk about this.
01:46:07
>> Contract employees in tech, right? >> A lot of tech companies have contract employees. Yeah.
01:46:12
>> All of basketball. >> All of basketball are contract employees. >> They have no competes.
01:46:16
>> Yeah. >> Non-mpet. non-compete >> until they become a free agent at which point they can sign with whatever team
01:46:21
they want. >> So they have to stay with one team until >> for the length of their contract. So
01:46:26
>> although if Tech could trade that would that would be crazy. Yeah. So >> they kind of do they kind of do but in a
01:46:32
different way. >> Tech actually tech is kind of like Premier League Soccer because they allow
01:46:38
buyouts. Uh Premier League soccer I'm learning about this. I'm learning a new sport. Uh
01:46:43
>> you can pay a transfer fee. So if you see a player on another team that you really like, you can be like, "Hey, I
01:46:48
want Erling Holland or whatever who's player on Manchester City and but he's really good." So the team doesn't want
01:46:54
to give him up. So they say, "Fine, if you want to even negotiate with him, you have to pay us $200 million."
01:47:00
>> Yeah. >> And then the team might be like, "Okay, here's 200 millie and we're going to
01:47:04
also negotiate a contract with him to pay him >> hundreds of millions of dollars, too."
01:47:08
>> Holy crap. Uh so that's but that's kind of like tech where you can have you know
01:47:12
people get buyouts and whatever. >> Is there a certain number of years that have to go by before you become a free
01:47:17
agent? >> It varies by contract >> negotiate just based on your contract. So typically
01:47:22
>> a three, four or five year contract long contract once you get to that contract
01:47:28
then Okay. Okay. So when you first start out of college you are automatically in
01:47:33
a contract and then after that you're a free agent. Yes, you start as a free agent when you're right at a college.
01:47:37
>> You get drafted >> and then you sign maybe a rookie contract for that one year with that
01:47:42
team. >> Okay. >> Then you may be you're a free agent again. You might sign another one or
01:47:45
two-year contract. As you get to your prime and you're more desirable teams want to lock you down for longer, then
01:47:50
you might sign a three, four or fiveyear contract where you're there for a long time. But once that contract ends again,
01:47:56
you're technically free agent. >> But then teams can also arbitrarily decide to trade you.
01:48:00
>> Got it. and be like, "Oh, actually, you're not as good as we thought, so we're going to trade you to another
01:48:04
team." >> So, you have to go live where they want you to live. >> Yeah. Players don't like it. Uh,
01:48:08
>> I wouldn't like that either. >> Yeah. Yeah. But, I mean, they're making millions of dollars to do it. So, they
01:48:12
do. >> Yeah. I guess I can. >> Okay. Well, I feel like I know ball now. >> Yeah.
01:48:17
>> I think this is I think this is a great place to wrap it up. Um, ideally now when we do our smartphone awards at the
01:48:23
end of the year, we can have like a sports equivalent. Like you guys will know like when I give an MVP award to a
01:48:29
phone, you'll now have that much more lore and context. >> The Jaylen Brunson Award.
01:48:34
>> Can we call it the Jaylen Brunson memorial smartphone of the year this year? >> Memorializing
01:48:40
his season. >> Yeah. >> You'll now Yeah. You'll now be able to draw the equivalent. You'll be like, I
01:48:44
can see how that phone is Jaylen Brunson. >> The JVP. The Jaylen Jaylen >> Jaylen Brunson valuable player.
01:48:50
>> Yeah. There's a million more strings that we didn't tie in this episode. I'm sure the comments section will help us
01:48:55
out with that. There's many more crossover things between tech and sports, but uh
01:49:00
>> what do you think the percentages of usual waveform listeners have made to this point in the episode?
01:49:04
>> I think we'll find out because >> zero zero spurs fans. I know that >> if you made it this far, comment
01:49:13
Nicks in six. >> Nicks in five. >> That's how we'll know cuz everyone says last episode and then everyone but then
01:49:20
everyone who comes in is be like, "Oh, waveform's talking about basketball. look at the comments be like, "They
01:49:24
obviously didn't do a very good job." >> Wait, what if you do Nixon four? That's
01:49:27
like another cut cuz they did four in every other. >> Oh, Nixon four. >> So, we say Nixon four.
01:49:32
>> All right, that's your comment. That's how we'll know you made it to the end of
01:49:34
the episode. >> And now we'll know if you made it to that part of the episode, but not in
01:49:37
this part of the episode. >> There's going to be so many Nixon six. Wait, no. Nixon five. Wait, uh Nixon
01:49:44
four. >> Well, >> so that's been it. Thank you for watching degrees in this room right now.
01:49:49
It's so hot. >> Just know that Kings win. >> I'mma be there. I'm going to be there
01:49:54
with my mic baby bubble head. Okay, >> I'll be there with you. I'll work for them on your on your bubble bar.
01:49:59
>> On my bubble bar. >> You will have really earned that one. >> Thank you. >> Sick. All right, catch you guys in the
01:50:04
next one. Peace. >> Waveform is produced by Adam Molina and Rufus Mohop. We are partnered with Vox
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Media Podcast Network and our Derra music was created by Vansil. >> Bingo. >> Let's go.
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>> Nixon 5. >> Nixon 5.