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HUMANS WILL BE EXTINCT BY ______ 😳

December 04, 2025 / 01:30

This episode discusses AI superintelligence, the gorilla problem, and the Midas touch analogy. Guests include Richard Branson and Jeffrey Hinton, who signed a statement expressing concerns about potential human extinction due to AI.

The conversation highlights the risks associated with developing AI systems that could surpass human intelligence. The gorilla problem is introduced to illustrate how intelligence determines control over existence.

The Midas touch analogy is used to explain the dangers of greed in technology development, emphasizing that the pursuit of AI could lead to catastrophic outcomes.

Participants consider the implications of halting AI progress and the challenges in ensuring its safety. The discussion raises questions about the responsibility of those developing AI technologies.

TLDR

Experts warn that AI superintelligence could lead to human extinction, comparing it to the Midas touch and the gorilla problem.

Episode

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In October, over 850 experts, including yourself and other leaders like Richard Branson and Jeffrey Hinton, signed a
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statement to ban AI super intelligence as you guys raised concerns of potential human extinction.
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Because unless we figure out how do we guarantee that the AI systems are safe, we're toast.
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And you talk about this gorilla problem as a way to understand AI in the context
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of humans. Yeah. So, a few million years ago, the human line branched off from the gorilla
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line in evolution. And now the gorillas have no say in whether they continue to exist because we are much smarter than
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they are. So intelligence is actually the single most important factor to control planet
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earth. Yep. But we're in the process of making something more intelligent than us.
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Exactly. Why don't people stop then? Well, one of the reasons is something called the Midas touch. So King Midas is
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this legendary king who asked the gods, can everything I touch turn to gold? And
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we think of the Midas touch as being a good thing, but he goes to drink some water and the water has turned to gold.
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And he goes to comfort his daughter, his daughter turns to gold. So he dies in misery and starvation. So this applies
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to our current situation in two ways. One is that greed is driving these companies to pursue technology with the
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probabilities of extinction being worse than playing Russian roulette. And that's even according to the people
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developing the technology without our permission. And people are just fooling themselves if they think it's naturally
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going to be controllable. So if you had a button in front of you which would stop all progress in
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artificial intelligence, would you press it? Not yet. I think there's still a decent
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chance they guarantee safety, which I can explain.

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Episode Highlights

  • The Gorilla Problem
    Using the evolution of gorillas to illustrate the risks of AI surpassing human intelligence.
    “So intelligence is actually the single most important factor to control planet earth.”
    @ 00m 33s
    December 04, 2025
  • The Midas Touch and AI
    Exploring how the legend of King Midas reflects our current technological pursuits.
    “Greed is driving these companies to pursue technology with the probabilities of extinction being worse than playing Russian roulette.”
    @ 01m 02s
    December 04, 2025

Episode Quotes

  • We're toast.
    HUMANS WILL BE EXTINCT BY ______ 😳
  • Intelligence is actually the single most important factor to control planet earth.
    HUMANS WILL BE EXTINCT BY ______ 😳

Key Moments

  • AI Safety Concerns00:06
  • Gorilla Problem00:18
  • Midas Touch00:42
  • Press the Button?01:16