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I wanted to do Joe Rogan show and there was a lot of games being played. I think
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podcasting is a very powerful medium for people to get information. A lot of people that is a
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main source of information and it's important for us to support that. Joe says you wanted he wanted him to
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come to you which is very unlolike in terms of he doesn't really travel. Do you wish you'd gone and done the show
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for three hours at his studio? A lot of people advised me not to do a show because they assumed, as it turned
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out to be correct, that he was supporting Trump and that it would not be a productive piece for me. But just
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like when I went on Fox News with Brett Bearer, my perspective was they may have
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their bias, but there are people that listen who are open-minded, and I'm going to go there and give them a chance
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to get to know me and give me a chance to make my case to them. There was a lot of games being played around the
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scheduling and it didn't happen. I don't have anything against the people who turn on to Joe Rogan and would love to
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be able to talk with him in a direct manner as I wanted to during the campaign. Do you in hindsight wish you just put
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your foot down and said I'm going to go do it? I don't know if it would have made a
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difference. The issue it was really about what's the tradeoff in terms of votes and where I spend my time. Do I
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spend my time traveling for 5 hours and back versus being for that period of time in a swing state? And that was the
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trade-off. It wasn't about I don't want to do Joe Rogan. Believe me, at that point in a campaign, it's not about oh,
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is somebody coming to me or me going to them? I could care less about that. Pride is not associated with it. It is
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literally about return on investment.