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'THEY LIED ABOUT TRUMP'

June 19, 2026 / 02:07

This episode discusses immigration policy, political narratives, and personal journeys in politics. Guests reflect on the Biden administration's approach and the complexities of the Trump presidency.

The conversation begins with a critique of the Biden administration's immigration policy, highlighting its perceived dangers. The speakers express concerns about the divisive narratives surrounding immigration and their impact on communities.

One guest shares a personal perspective on the political rhetoric used by leaders, particularly regarding race and community. They emphasize the importance of context in understanding statements made by politicians.

The discussion shifts to the relationship between the Trump administration and its critics. A guest reflects on their past views of Trump and how their perspective changed over time, acknowledging the unconventional nature of his presidency.

Finally, the episode touches on international relations, including the dynamics between the U.S. and Israel, and concludes with a light-hearted question about the existence of aliens, revealing personal anecdotes from the guest's past.

TLDR

The episode critiques immigration policy and discusses the complexities of the Trump presidency and personal political journeys.

Episode

2:07
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The Biden administration just like really screwed up our immigration policy in a profoundly dangerous way.
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>> But even if you agree that immigration is a problem, it seems division is the
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most compelling narrative for politicians. I remember this particular quote about the black community where he
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said >> What do you have to lose? >> I'm a black man. I feel like I've got things to lose. And my concern is when
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the Western narrative is that it's the brown people that are the reason that your life is hard or like Mexicans and
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murderers. If I heard that from my political leaders, it's conceivable that I might be angry at my neighbor even
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though they've done nothing. >> But let me just say very often what the president is accused of saying he didn't
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say it or there was much greater context. You wouldn't say that. But I but but I think look, the president and
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I certainly have way different styles. But Donald Trump is much different as a human being than the media makes him out
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to be. >> But back in 2016, there was a private message between you and your roommate
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where you said Trump was either a cynical also or America's Hitler. How do you go [music] from that position
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to vice president of the same person? What what is that journey? >> A crazy journey, man. But look, I
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thought Donald Trump would be a failed president. He was not. I thought that America's institutions were
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fundamentally functioning. They were not. You always have to be able to acknowledge when you're right and when
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you're wrong. Like he's so non-conventional in the way that he does everything that things that were
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previously unimaginable are actually on the table. >> Like this peace deal with Iran, for
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example. But there's been lots of false deals. >> Well, this one's real. So. [music]
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>> And Israel, Trump called Netanyahu a very difficult guy. What does Netanyahu want?
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>> I don't know. >> All I'd say is that we're different countries with different interests.
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>> Do you trust them? >> I don't really trust anybody. But having seen the president of the United States
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operate, I feel quite confident that they are the junior partner, we're the senior partner, we are the world's
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superpower. >> I'm going to take a little bit of a hot turn. Do you think aliens could be real?
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>> I do. >> Mr. Vice President, I had no idea about your earliest contacts. >> Mhm.
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>> And it hasn't formed what I've then seen from you later as an adult. But can you
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take me back? >> The emotions still right on the surface for you. >> Very much so.

Episode Highlights

  • Trump's Unexpected Presidency
    A reflection on the surprising effectiveness of Donald Trump's presidency.
    “I thought Donald Trump would be a failed president. He was not.”
    @ 01m 00s
    June 19, 2026
  • Trust in Global Politics
    Discussion on trust in international relations and the role of the U.S.
    “I don't really trust anybody.”
    @ 01m 33s
    June 19, 2026
  • Aliens: A Surprising Belief
    The Vice President expresses belief in the possibility of aliens.
    “I do.”
    @ 01m 44s
    June 19, 2026

Episode Quotes

  • What do you have to lose?
    'THEY LIED ABOUT TRUMP'
  • I'm a black man. I feel like I've got things to lose.
    'THEY LIED ABOUT TRUMP'
  • A crazy journey, man.
    'THEY LIED ABOUT TRUMP'
  • I do.
    'THEY LIED ABOUT TRUMP'
  • The emotions still right on the surface for you.
    'THEY LIED ABOUT TRUMP'

Key Moments

  • Political Division00:06
  • Trump's Journey00:58
  • Trust Issues01:33
  • Aliens Discussion01:41

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