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I have a few clients and friends who the Epstein group made approaches on and failed. Meaning they tried to get them
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and failed. I'll give you one story without naming the person. He goes to meet with Epstein in New York to ask for
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money for a charity and and Epste is perceived as this big billionaire, which he was not, by the way. And Epstein is
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in a robe and they're across the desk just like you and I are. They're finishing the meeting. He says, "Hey,
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I'm going to get a massage." Hence my robe. you want to get a massage. And
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through the hallway, my friend can see a massage table and a room and a very cute
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girl who's the massage therapist, right? Dressed like a massage therapist. And
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so, he happened to say no. A lot of people would say yes and might even think it would improve my relationship
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with this guy, Jeffrey Epstein, who I perceive as this rich guy that I'm trying to get money from my charity. Had
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that happened, what a different world for that person. What a different life. Because in that
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room is cameras and then eventually audio. It didn't start off with audio, but audio was added later. And then
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you're getting a hand job, if I'm allowed to say hand job, from somebody
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who you don't even think about their age, but turns out to be 17. And you are
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in a world of trouble for the rest of your life. And that's a big piece of what was going on with Epstein, with
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cameras in that apartment in New York, and eventually audio. cameras and eventually audio at the island. My take
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on it uh and certainly my public take is that there was a profound uh uh blackmail operation going on to the
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benefit of probably more than one government but at least one format.