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There has been an 80-year cover up of
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the existence of non-human intelligent
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life covered up by elements of the US
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government. But this past Friday, the
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first trunch of evidence was released to
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the public.
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>> And the evidence is absolutely clear
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that there is some form of life with
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advanced technology. They're all over
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the place.
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>> But the people involved in gatekeeping
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this information don't think the public
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can handle the truth. People have had
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their lives threatened. A lot of them
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are afraid to come forward and tell the
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White House what they know. And this has
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been kept from even sitting presidents
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and I've interviewed highle intelligence
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officials and government officials and
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there have been UAP crashes over the
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years and in some cases the crashed
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crafts had the bodies of nonhumans in
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>> and now we have people on ships seeing
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these things enter the water it's seen
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enough times under enough different
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conditions that we just have to accept
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that it's real.
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>> So what exactly is inside this report?
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We have so many sightings, even access
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to materials.
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>> And there's a number of files, reports,
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video, and still images that were
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declassified. And the most notable piece
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of evidence in there is this. So, I have
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so many questions. You're probably
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familiar with this NASA report. They
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essentially say that they didn't believe
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that these UAPs are aliens. Why would
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NASA be lying? Is there a reason why
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this stuff hasn't been captured on like
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an iPhone? Are they currently living
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amongst us? And then do you trust the
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Trump administration to release all of
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the available information?
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>> I think eventually we'll get to that
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moment that we've all only seen in
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movies where sitting president steps to
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a microphone and tells the world we're
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not alone in the universe.
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Dr. Harold Dan, I wanted to have a
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conversation with both of you today
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because you are two of the most popular
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voices online on this subject of UAPs,
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which is unidentified anomalous
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phenomena.
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>> Right. Exactly.
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>> It has been in all the news recently
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because Trump a couple of days ago
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released 400 classified files containing
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videos and photos and different reports
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on this subject of UAPs. Now, I
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don't have an opinion. I I honestly
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haven't gone that far down the rabbit
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hole on this subject, but I wanted to
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have the conversation with both of you
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because you do have opinions. So,
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starting with you, Dan, what is your
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background and as it relates to this
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subject of UAPs, what is it that you
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believe that most people don't know or
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understand?
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>> My interest in this topic comes from my
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childhood. And so, over the years, I
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just I read every book on the topic,
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watched every doc. I always wish someone
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had made a super serious, credible,
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sober documentary that only interviews
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people who have direct knowledge of this
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topic as a result of working for the US
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government. And so got into producing.
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As I was getting access to high level
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intelligence officials and government
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officials before I even filmed, I really
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quickly learned how serious and real the
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situation is and how uh serious it's
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treated behind the scenes. And you know,
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I made this movie, The Age of
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Disclosure, in secrecy over three and a
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half years. And I would say the
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headlines that I learned that the
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average person doesn't know is that
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there has in fact been an 80-year cover
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up of the existence of non-human
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intelligent life. It has been covered up
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by elements of the US government since
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at least the late 40s. Other nations
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have also covered this up. And the other
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major headline is that the people who
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within the US government that have been
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gatekeeping this, they've also been
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involved in a highstakes secret cold war
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race with adversarial nations like China
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and Russia to reverse engineer this
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technology of non-human origin. And and
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the stakes couldn't be higher. Those are
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the two massive headlines. And and I'm
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proud to say when the film came out, it
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created a national conversation uh at at
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an unprecedented level and it led to
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President Trump issuing this directive
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in the middle of February. Super
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unprecedented historic directive
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instructing federal agencies to start
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declassifying evidence it has they have
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of non-human intelligent life and UAP.
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And then that process began this past
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Friday. the first trunch of evidence was
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released to the public.
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>> And during the process of producing this
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documentary,
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who did you speak to?
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>> I got access to the highest levels of
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the government, military, and
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intelligence community. My interview
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subjects range from Secretary Rubio,
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who's also our National Security Adviser
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now, White House National Security
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Council members, Navy Fighter pilots,
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admirals, generals, former secretary of
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defense, uh the leadership of all the
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recent classified US government UAP
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investigations. Every single person is
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extremely credible. Howal how is one of
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my interview subjects. 's uh one of the
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most senior scientists uh to work on
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this topic for the US government in
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classified projects and him and all
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these other people interviewed. They had
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a lot of information they could legally
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share over the years, but they were
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always discouraged from doing so and
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they never really had the opportunity to
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comfortably do it. No one wanted to be
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the one guy out on a limb saying
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something extraordinary on CNN or Fox or
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60 Minutes and then being subject to the
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the push back and the ridicule. And so
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when I realized that I I started
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socializing a plan for how to step out
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of the shadows arm and arm with safety
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and numbers.
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>> I'll pick up on that point there where
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you talked about safety and numbers. How
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he he mentioned you there. You're part
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of the documentary. I saw you as well in
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the trailer of the documentary. What is
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your background and why what reference
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points are you drawing on to speak on
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the subject of UAPs and UFOs etc? I'm a
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quantum physicist worked for the
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National Security Agency for various uh
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organizations in the intelligence
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community like CIA and so on. And so as
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part of my technical work uh I was also
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a consultant uh chief science adviser to
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Robert Bigalow of Bigalow Aerospace.
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He's really quite quite a titan. I mean
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he has two space stations orbiting the
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Earth. So anyway, th those people who
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are in in the space business and they're
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moving out into space, they just can't
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help but wondering, you know, what are
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we going to run into when when we get
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out there? As a science adviser to him,
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uh it turned out that the Defense
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Intelligence Agency came forward and
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said, uh you know, we need to find out
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uh really what's going on in the
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so-called UAP area.
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>> So you worked with someone called Robert
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Bigalow. He's the guy who knows
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everything about what is possible in
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terms of aerospace technology and and
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anything that would be in the air or
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space. Simply put, one day, one of his
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colleagues comes into his office, pulls
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him into a skiff and shows him a video
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that Air Force security guards took over
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a nuclear weapons site. It was a
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triangle UAP hovering over a nuclear
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weapon site.
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this colleague said, "Please tell me
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this is one of ours, like one of our
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black projects, you know, some advanced
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cutting edge technology that's ours."
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And he knew instinctively it it was not.
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That set him down a rabbit hole. He's
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like, "There's got to be some office
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somewhere in the intelligence community
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that handles UFOs." So, he went all over
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trying to find it, him and his
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colleague. They couldn't find one. So,
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then they determined they were just
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going to start a UAP program. That
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program they started was called OAP.
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They hired all the team, for example,
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HAL. And that program started in 2008.
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Um, and got a lot of push back behind
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the scenes because it turned out when
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they looked all over the intelligence
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community to see if there was another
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UFO program and didn't think there was,
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turns out there was one. And there was a
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deeply hidden program referred to as the
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legacy program.
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>> And it had been operating in the shadows
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since the ' 40s, uh, outside of
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congressional oversight, outside of the
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oversight of the White House. um
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completely, you know, off off
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>> completely hidden away. Yeah.
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>> As hidden as a program could be. And so
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they started pushing back behind the
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scenes against everyone involved in OAP
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because they didn't want anyone else
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looking into this, right? Started to
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cause a lot of bureaucratic issues for
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them, red tape issues, and ultimately
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OAP lost its funding in 2010 despite the
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fact that it was looking into very real
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issues like UAP over our nuclear weapons
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sites. It shut down in 2010. Why do you
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think it shut down?
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>> They were dealt uh these bureaucratic
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hurdles behind the scenes by people
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involved in the legacy program. People
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who just caused problems and prevented
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funding and it's a lot of you know it's
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a big bureaucracy. People can people can
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do things behind the scenes to prevent
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funding from coming through uh for
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programs. And so ultimately they lost
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their their funding in 2010. and then
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Jay Stratton and other people involved.
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They were continuing to look into this
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because they they didn't want this
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serious national security concern to go,
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you know, on uninvestigated, right?
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>> So that's how somebody like me gets
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pulled in. They say, "Okay, these pilots
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are out there and they suddenly see
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craft coming out of the ocean and making
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right angle turns at 6G or whatever."
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And they say, "Oh my god, this is way
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beyond our physics." So I and other
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physicists sort of dug into you know
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what could be responsible for this and
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we actually found that just like we use
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so-called Maxwell's equations and
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electromagnetic stuff for everything we
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do in electromagnetics
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we have Einstein's equations in general
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relativity for you know black holes and
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all that kind of stuff but turns out if
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you could engineer those you would
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actually get the same effects that
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people were observing with these UAP
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crafts so we think we've come up with
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you know what it is about uh the science
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of it. It's just that we don't have the
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engineering to do it.
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>> Do you believe in UAPs?
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>> Absolutely believe in UAPs because I've
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been exposed to data about them.
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>> A more specific question would be, do
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you believe in aliens?
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>> Yeah. So, a number of the people I
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interviewed went on the record stating
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that they know from their own personal
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experiences that there have been UAP
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crashes over the years that have been
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recovered by elements of the US
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government. And in some cases, the the
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crashed crafts had the bodies of
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non-humans in them. And numerous people
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I interviewed went on the record saying
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that. And keep in mind, everyone I
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interviewed only shared what they
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lawfully could. there was a line they
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couldn't cross. Everyone I interviewed
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is aware of classified information. They
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they they can't talk about, but they
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went right up to the line and uh made it
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clear that there had been recoveries of
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non-human bodies. A couple people
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actually testified under oath to
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Congress saying the same thing.
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>> Why wouldn't they be able to talk about
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it publicly?
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>> Well, when you're involved in certain
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programs, uh you sign certain agreements
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that prevent you from sharing right
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specific
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>> information, highly classified programs.
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And of course the big concern is okay
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whatever we might learn about these kind
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of craft and and so on. Our adversaries
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are out there and probably been there
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have been crashes in Russia, crashes in
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China. And so if we reveal what we're
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learning about the subject area and you
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know said it publicly then it might help
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some potential adversary
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step get a step ahead. So
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>> that's why it's all just kept really
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close in.
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>> So a saying that I heard often from my
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interview subjects, you can't tell your
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friends without telling your enemies.
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Meaning you can't tell the public what
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we know and don't know without also
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telling China and Russia what we know
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and don't know. And giving them that
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information might give them a
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competitive advantage. And the the
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obvious question anyone would ask when
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hearing that is then well, okay, so
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what's shifted? Why is why is that no
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longer the leading thought? Secrecy is
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best. And the answer is because the US
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is in a really high stakes race, a
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technology race against these
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adversaries to reverse engineer
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technology of non-human origin. And the
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secrecy around it in the US since the '
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40s has created a scenario where the
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scientific community and academia don't
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even know it's real. They don't even
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know it's a valid area of inquiry.
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>> Don't even believe it's real.
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>> Yeah. I mean the smartest kids
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graduating at MIT this year, they are
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not thinking that this is something they
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can put their brain power towards.
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>> So come back to the question, do you
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believe in aliens?
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>> I 100% believe that non-human
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intelligent life is here and has been
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here for a long time.
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>> When you say here, do you mean currently
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living amongst us?
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>> I don't know about the living amongst us
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part about that.
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>> I don't know about that, but
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>> rule it out. There is there is UAP
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activity being reported on a daily basis
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by commercial airlines pilot commercial
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aine pilots to the FAA by Navy fighter
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pilots off the east coast being reported
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you know up the military chain of
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command and on top of that uh regular
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activity over on nuclear weapons sites
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inside the United States. It's happening
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on a regular basis uh on the on on the
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nuclear sites and on a daily basis in
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commercial air travel space.
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>> UAP have come over nuclear uh missile
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sites and actually turned off the
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missiles.
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And so, you know, once something like
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that happens, you just got to take it
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seriously.
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>> And there the technology that they're
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displaying is technology that no humans
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have.
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And again, there has been some crashes.
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And in those crashes, there have been
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the bodies of nonhumans.
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>> How do we know that? How do we know that
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in those crashes they've recovered
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bodies of nonhumans?
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>> The whistleblowers basically coming
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forward from the
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>> So the basis of the that evidence is
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that some people have said it
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>> at this point until until
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previously classified information
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regarding crashes is and recoveries is
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declassified. Mhm.
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>> Until that happens, the best we could
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hope for is credible people putting
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their reputation on the line to tell you
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this is what's been happening.
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>> Did someone during your process of
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making the documentary who had seen
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non-alien non-human life, non-human
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intelligence tell you that?
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>> Yeah.
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>> Who was that?
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>> A number of people, but notably, you
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know, uh Jay Stratton, who we just
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talked about.
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>> Yes. Right. who co-created, co-founded
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OAP and then became the director of the
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UAP task force, the largest whole of
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government investigation of UAP ever.
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>> What did he say?
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>> He went on the record in the film saying
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that he's seen non-human beings and
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non-human craft with his own eyes. That
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was the farthest he could go at that
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point.
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>> Why did he say he couldn't go further?
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>> Uh he he he he had a situation that he
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was involved in that um for a few
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reasons. He wasn't he just wasn't
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comfortable talking about it yet. And
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some of it I think he just wanted to
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make sure he legally could. Now going
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back to credibility like take a guy like
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Jay saying that when Jay retired a few
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years back he was part of the senior
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executive services of the federal
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government. That's a level less than 1%
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of all federal employees ever reach. You
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know it's the equivalent of a twoar
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admiral or general. Um very very senior
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very trusted you know cleared at a very
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high level. Um he had worked with naval
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intelligence in a senior capacity. uh he
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had worked with the CIA, he had worked
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with the Defense Intelligence Agency as
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the head of air and space warfare. He's
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a super serious, credible guy.
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>> Yeah.
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>> And he's he's he's putting his
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reputation on the line to share this
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information
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um to the extent that he legally could
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and comfortably could.
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>> And when you asked him why
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the world doesn't know this stuff in his
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view, what did he what would he say?
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>> There's a lot of reasons. I mean
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certainly the you know the idea that we
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can't tell our friends without telling
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our enemies has been a driver to just to
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recap the reasons for secrecy I I I
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actually believe it it's better kind of
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start from the beginning when this first
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when when in 1947 there was a crash at
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Roswell of non-human origin and uh yeah
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RA RAF captures flying saucer on ranch
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in Roswell region. Yeah that's right
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>> and then this is the image of their
00:16:36
coverup story trying to show a weather
00:16:38
ballooner. Yeah. So, multiple people
00:16:39
might film go on the record saying the
00:16:40
Roswell crash really happened. Uh,
00:16:42
technology of non-human origin and
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non-human bodies were recovered. Um, if
00:16:47
you put yourself in the shoes of the
00:16:48
military and government at that point,
00:16:50
like put yourself in Truman and, you
00:16:51
know, Eisenhower shoes, you're just
00:16:53
coming out of World War II. The world
00:16:55
was just chaos for a very long time.
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It's finally starting to settle down.
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You can't exactly step to the microphone
00:17:00
and tell America that there's a new
00:17:02
threat that we know nothing about and we
00:17:04
can't protect you from. They're far
00:17:06
advanced. You know what? But what's the
00:17:08
advantage of that? So secrecy became the
00:17:10
plan at that point and they had more
00:17:14
questions than answers. So everyone I've
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talked to who gave me context uh
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explained that the the the the plan for
00:17:20
secrecy went in motion there. Uh let's
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investigate. Let's find out more about
00:17:25
what we don't know before we tell the
00:17:26
American people. That was quickly
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followed by the Cold War era and we
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learned that Russia also had retrieved
00:17:33
technology of non-human origin. And so
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we knew we were in a technology race. So
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then the idea of can't tell your friend
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without telling your enemy ruled the
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day. So now the cold war mentality, you
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know, led to more secrecy. And as a
00:17:45
security rapper for this this program
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that it that it started, uh they created
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the stigma in the late 40s, early 50s,
00:17:51
this cultural stigma, this idea that
00:17:53
you're crazy if you look into this
00:17:55
topic. You're wacky. You'll have your
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reputation ruined. You'll have your
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career ruined. It was actually a CIA
00:18:00
meeting where people got together and
00:18:02
said, "Okay, in order to not have people
00:18:05
be pursuing this area, let's go out of
00:18:07
our way to spread what we would call now
00:18:10
disinformation about
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>> basically the most effective
00:18:13
disinformation campaign in the history
00:18:15
of the US government because it got into
00:18:17
our culture. Some movies were funded
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that made aliens seem silly and the idea
00:18:20
of life from elsewhere seem ridiculous
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and that got compounded over the years
00:18:24
and then we got to the point where where
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we were like you know just just like few
00:18:29
years ago where the average person just
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thinks it's not real. You know the
00:18:33
average scientists academia
00:18:35
>> you know they think it's conspiracy
00:18:36
stuff. It's nonsense. It's silly. Um
00:18:39
there was no advantage for elected
00:18:40
leaders to get in front of this or for
00:18:43
military members to you know speak up
00:18:45
about what they learned or saw. it would
00:18:47
be a career ruiner. Um, and uh, that
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started to shift uh, several years back
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when Jay Stratton and Jim Lowsky when
00:18:58
they put together OAP in 2010 and they
00:19:00
started to go out there and collect data
00:19:04
um, and get evidence and they started to
00:19:07
actually share it with the Senate
00:19:08
Intelligence Committee and the Senate
00:19:10
Armed Service Committee and looking at
00:19:12
classified data in a classified setting.
00:19:14
People like Marco Rubio, who was the
00:19:16
vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence
00:19:17
Committee at the time, started to
00:19:18
realize, you know,
00:19:20
>> there's something here.
00:19:21
>> Not only is there something here, but
00:19:22
we've got a problem, right? There's a
00:19:23
lot of lot of UAP activity over these
00:19:26
highly classified sites like our nuclear
00:19:27
weapons sites. There's a lot at stake.
00:19:29
We are in this, you know, race with
00:19:31
other nations. And the stigma has
00:19:34
created a disadvantage for us. It's very
00:19:37
hard to win a technology race when the
00:19:38
majority of your scientists don't know
00:19:40
it's a valid area of inquiry, right? And
00:19:42
do people think that there's one type of
00:19:45
non-human intelligence that's visiting
00:19:47
the earth or is there many many types?
00:19:48
>> People who have been involved in
00:19:50
recoveries have said
00:19:52
>> there at least four types. Four separate
00:19:54
types. Now I have not had direct access
00:19:57
to that but I I believe the people who I
00:20:00
talked to
00:20:01
>> four different types of life.
00:20:02
>> Four different types of life at least.
00:20:04
And the people I've talked through to,
00:20:07
you know, through the process of making
00:20:09
the documentary, both on camera and off
00:20:11
the record sources and the people how's
00:20:14
talked to over the decades have said
00:20:16
that there are there have been dozens of
00:20:18
recoveries of crashed craft in the US
00:20:21
alone. Dozens of craft of non-human
00:20:23
origin that either crashed organically
00:20:26
or caused a crash and then recovered.
00:20:29
And have you spoken to people who you
00:20:31
talked about Jay. Have you spoken to
00:20:33
other people that have worked on these
00:20:35
crashed crafts?
00:20:37
>> I've tal I've talked off the record with
00:20:39
some people who are involved in
00:20:40
recoveries.
00:20:41
>> They would not go on camera to do
00:20:43
interviews. Special forces people that
00:20:45
would not go on camera to do interviews.
00:20:47
One I actually thought I've I've
00:20:49
mentioned this in another interview, but
00:20:50
um one I thought was going to do an
00:20:52
interview and then a couple days before
00:20:54
sent me a message saying after further
00:20:57
consideration and long talks with my
00:20:59
wife, I decided I'd be forfeiting my
00:21:01
life if I participated in your
00:21:02
interview.
00:21:03
>> And I thought that was like veryill very
00:21:06
unsettling message to get obviously but
00:21:08
also very specific word choice, you
00:21:10
know, forfeiting my life.
00:21:11
>> What did he know? He was a special very
00:21:14
senior special forces guy who had told
00:21:16
me he had been involved in multiple
00:21:18
recoveries. That's what he told me.
00:21:20
>> Okay.
00:21:22
>> And I met him through uh some high level
00:21:24
intelligence people. Early on in my
00:21:27
process, I got connected with the Senate
00:21:29
Intelligence Committee and the Senate
00:21:31
Armed Services Committee and they had on
00:21:34
their own learned the reality of the
00:21:36
situation through the work of OAP and
00:21:40
then ATIP and then the UAP task force
00:21:43
and through their own their own
00:21:45
intelligence channels. Leaders on those
00:21:47
committees wanted to educate the public
00:21:49
about what they could lawfully about
00:21:52
this, but they didn't really have a way
00:21:53
to do it. It's such a complicated
00:21:56
situation. It takes a while to explain
00:21:58
it. You can't do it in like a six-inute
00:22:00
news head on Fox or CNN or even like a
00:22:03
15inute 60-minute segment. You just
00:22:05
can't do it. And no one wanted to be the
00:22:08
one guy trying to do it. So, when I
00:22:10
started putting together the film and
00:22:12
socializing this safe way for people to
00:22:14
step forward, uh it also quickly became
00:22:17
those people's plan for disclosure.
00:22:19
That's why Secretary Rubio participated.
00:22:21
That's why White House National Security
00:22:23
Council members participated. It became
00:22:25
amongst the group of people would learn
00:22:26
the truth. It became the plan for
00:22:29
disclosure. The way to bring this
00:22:31
information out in a thoughtful way.
00:22:34
>> Do the presidents of the United States
00:22:37
know about this stuff? Are they aware?
00:22:39
>> Historically, no.
00:22:40
>> Historically,
00:22:40
>> yeah. And even Rubio says on camera
00:22:42
that, you know, historically this has
00:22:45
been kept from even sitting presidents.
00:22:47
>> Who would know then? So, a number of the
00:22:50
people in my film break down um who's
00:22:53
involved in the legacy program. You
00:22:55
know, simp to put it simply, it's
00:22:58
elements of the CIA, elements of the Air
00:23:00
Force, elements of the Department of
00:23:02
Energy, and a few major defense
00:23:04
contractors. And they have the ability
00:23:07
to access information from a number of
00:23:09
federal agencies and branches of the
00:23:10
military. But the the primary leaders of
00:23:13
this program are the CIA, the Air Force,
00:23:15
the Department of Energy, and major
00:23:16
defense contractors. and Rubio breaks
00:23:18
down in the film the way our bureaucracy
00:23:19
works. Um, you could have career
00:23:23
bureaucrats in positions of power at
00:23:26
those organizations for decades and they
00:23:29
can just wait out sitting presidents.
00:23:31
They can wait out
00:23:32
>> senators sitting presidents as just
00:23:34
temporary help that are going to come
00:23:36
and go.
00:23:37
>> And that's what's been happening up
00:23:39
until this point now. So the fact that
00:23:42
Rubio had learned so much about the
00:23:44
reality of the situation and the extent
00:23:45
of the cover up and then ended up
00:23:47
arguably the second most powerful guy in
00:23:49
the world as our secretary of state and
00:23:50
our national security adviser at the
00:23:52
same time,
00:23:53
>> which has only happened once in US
00:23:54
history, Henry Kissinger for two years,
00:23:56
>> no one else has ever had both those jobs
00:23:58
at the same time. the fact that he ended
00:24:00
up in that position of power and
00:24:02
influence after learning the reality of
00:24:04
the situation and right as the age of
00:24:06
disclosure is coming out and driving
00:24:08
this national conversation it really led
00:24:11
to the current President Trump being
00:24:13
informed about this in a way that no
00:24:15
president has in a very long time. So,
00:24:17
are you saying that the United States
00:24:20
don't think the public are ready to even
00:24:22
know that this exists? Because, you
00:24:24
know, they could tell us that they have
00:24:26
recovered UAPs or aliens, whatever it
00:24:29
might be, without telling us about the
00:24:31
technology.
00:24:32
>> They could, and I think we're going to
00:24:33
get to that point.
00:24:34
>> Yeah. I think they they were trapped in
00:24:36
in this system that had that had grown
00:24:38
up. And uh people behind the scenes
00:24:41
working in the classified programs said,
00:24:43
"Well, you know, we don't know how the
00:24:45
public is going to respond." So, let's
00:24:48
be safe and let's let's just keep it in
00:24:50
house.
00:24:50
>> Do you think Trump believes that there
00:24:52
are aliens? Because I I was looking at
00:24:54
some of his quotes and he said, "Well, I
00:24:56
don't know if they're real or not. I
00:24:57
don't have an opinion on it. I never
00:25:00
talk about it. A lot of people do. A lot
00:25:02
of people believe it."
00:25:03
>> Barack Obama said that aliens are real.
00:25:07
>> Well, he gave classified information.
00:25:08
He's not supposed to be doing that, you
00:25:10
know.
00:25:11
>> So, aliens are real.
00:25:12
>> No, I don't I don't have an opinion on
00:25:13
it. I never talk about it. A lot of
00:25:15
people do. A lot of people believe it.
00:25:19
>> Do you believe it, Peter?
00:25:20
>> Uh, well, if the president can
00:25:21
declassify anything that he wants to, so
00:25:25
I may get him out of trouble by
00:25:26
declassifying.
00:25:27
>> One of the things that came out in the
00:25:29
age of disclosure is that
00:25:33
during Trump's first administration,
00:25:36
his cabinet was briefed by the UAP task
00:25:39
force, by J Stratton. And when he
00:25:42
briefed them, uh, he was told that they
00:25:45
had asked for this briefing because they
00:25:47
needed to be able to evaluate what the
00:25:49
repercussions would be if Trump decided
00:25:50
to step to the microphone and tell the
00:25:52
world we're not alone in the universe.
00:25:54
Obviously, he didn't end up deciding to
00:25:56
do that then. However, in this new
00:25:59
administration,
00:26:00
he's got Rubio in the position of
00:26:02
Secretary of State and National Security
00:26:04
Adviser and fully aware of the situation
00:26:06
and that has given him the comfort to
00:26:08
put this this process in motion. There's
00:26:10
certainly a disclosure process unfolding
00:26:12
right now.
00:26:13
>> Obama said in an interview that he did
00:26:15
with Brian Tyler Cohen, when asked about
00:26:18
aliens, Obama said, "They're real, but I
00:26:21
haven't seen them. They're not being
00:26:22
kept at Area 51. There's no underground
00:26:25
facility unless there's this enormous
00:26:27
conspiracy and they hid it from the
00:26:28
president of the United States." Now,
00:26:30
that sounded to me like kind of sarcasm
00:26:32
when he said, "They're real, but" and
00:26:33
then explained all that they're not
00:26:34
real.
00:26:35
>> They're real, but I haven't seen them.
00:26:37
and and and uh they're not being kept in
00:26:40
uh Area 51. Uh there there's no
00:26:42
underground uh facility unless there's
00:26:46
this enormous conspiracy and they they
00:26:49
hid it from the president of the United
00:26:51
States.
00:26:52
>> So it would appear to me that Obama also
00:26:54
doesn't know of any aliens.
00:26:57
>> I think Obama is largely kept in the
00:26:59
dark. I think he does know that the base
00:27:01
fact that we're not alone in the
00:27:02
universe. And I actually think when he
00:27:04
said they're real, I think he was being
00:27:06
that was just candid honest
00:27:08
>> that was his honest candid genuine
00:27:10
statement. I think when he then said
00:27:12
they're not kept at Area 51, I think
00:27:14
he's also being honest cuz none of my
00:27:16
sources say that UAP and aliens are
00:27:19
being kept at Area 51, they're being
00:27:20
kept somewhere else. Um, so I think he
00:27:23
was being honest there. And I think when
00:27:25
he made the comment of uh unless there's
00:27:28
a giant conspiracy, if you watch the
00:27:29
tape, he like sips his cup and raises
00:27:31
his eyebrow as he said. I think he knows
00:27:34
there's a giant conspiracy. That's the
00:27:35
truth. The following day, uh, Trump was
00:27:37
asked about that on Air Force One and he
00:27:40
responded saying Obama revealed
00:27:42
classified information and he shouldn't
00:27:43
have said that. And, um, I think that's
00:27:47
the truth.
00:27:48
>> Yeah.
00:27:48
>> I think presidents don't don't know and
00:27:50
they're and they're told not to talk
00:27:51
about it.
00:27:52
>> Trump has started to release a lot of
00:27:54
classified information around UAP and
00:27:56
aliens. The first batch of that was
00:27:58
released a couple of days ago. What
00:28:00
exactly is inside this report?
00:28:03
>> There was a number of files, reports, uh
00:28:07
video and uh still images that were
00:28:11
declassified. This is information that
00:28:14
previously had been classified or just
00:28:17
never really made public. Um this was
00:28:19
just the first trunch of uh what has
00:28:23
been what will be released. Uh the most
00:28:25
notable piece of evidence in there is an
00:28:28
image, a still image from the 1972
00:28:31
Apollo mission. It's an image of a
00:28:33
triangle, a seemingly triangle-shaped
00:28:35
craft hovering above the moon and above
00:28:38
the astronauts. And the image was taken
00:28:40
from uh the from the lunar module. And
00:28:44
um you know, the UAP task force looked
00:28:46
into this image years ago uh and
00:28:48
determined it was real. That seems to be
00:28:50
the most glaring piece of evidence in
00:28:52
this this tunch. But I will say this,
00:28:54
how and I both have the same a lot of
00:28:56
the same sources of information. And
00:28:59
everyone we've talked to at various
00:29:01
federal agencies has told us that when
00:29:04
the president gave this directive in
00:29:05
middle of February for federal agencies
00:29:07
to declassify evidence of non-human
00:29:09
intelligent life and UAP, only a few
00:29:12
engaged with it. They only gave a small
00:29:16
percent of what they have
00:29:17
>> and they only had a couple weeks to do
00:29:19
it. Mhm.
00:29:20
>> One of the things I I think I've always
00:29:21
struggled with with the idea of these
00:29:23
kind of conspiracies um is that I don't
00:29:26
know why that information would
00:29:29
necessarily fall into the hands of like
00:29:31
government officials because you know
00:29:33
alien life forms or UAPs would be
00:29:36
visible and would land in anyone's back
00:29:38
garden. So you would you could imagine a
00:29:40
world especially in a world where we
00:29:41
have I don't know like 8 billion iPhones
00:29:43
roaming around. Can imagine a world
00:29:45
where if there was some kind of UAP
00:29:46
crash in my garden, it would be on Tik
00:29:49
Tok within 5 minutes.
00:29:50
>> Yeah.
00:29:50
>> Or if there really was
00:29:52
>> someone got there with an iPhone. You're
00:29:53
right.
00:29:54
>> You know, there was that incident
00:29:55
earlier in the year with those were they
00:29:57
drones in in America flying
00:29:59
>> Jersey
00:30:01
and that was on social media within
00:30:02
minutes and everyone was talking about
00:30:04
it and looking at what they were. I I
00:30:05
don't know. I think in the modern world
00:30:06
because we have so many ways to capture
00:30:09
high quality video, if there was
00:30:11
something out there, we would have seen
00:30:14
a very clear image of this thing by now.
00:30:17
>> That's why there there's a lot that came
00:30:19
out in these files because over the
00:30:21
years, our sensor systems that the
00:30:23
pilots have in their planes have gotten
00:30:26
so much better. They've captured really
00:30:29
astounding.
00:30:30
>> Does this life want to be seen? Do these
00:30:32
aliens want us to know they're there?
00:30:33
I'd have to assume that given the level
00:30:36
of quality of of their technology, if
00:30:38
they didn't want to be seen, we we
00:30:40
wouldn't be seeing them. So, it seems
00:30:42
like I would say there's evidence that
00:30:45
for whatever reason, they're they're
00:30:47
they're wanting to be seen.
00:30:48
>> But also, like I my personal opinion is
00:30:51
that if someone answers that question,
00:30:53
they're answering it through the lens of
00:30:55
like how humans think, right? For all we
00:30:58
know, you know, we're we're ants to
00:31:01
them. You know, you don't hide from the
00:31:02
ants. You walk around them, you don't
00:31:04
even but you also don't pay attention to
00:31:05
them. You know,
00:31:06
>> based on their behavior from the
00:31:07
interviews you've done,
00:31:10
>> how do you think they view us?
00:31:11
>> I I honestly feel like the dynamic is,
00:31:15
you know, we are very very far below
00:31:18
them on the food chain. You know, Hal
00:31:19
makes an analogy in the film. He says,
00:31:21
"The ants in your treeine in your
00:31:24
backyard, they could be there for
00:31:25
generations. You never think about them.
00:31:28
You walk around them. You don't you're
00:31:30
not hiding from them, but like they're
00:31:31
there and you don't really care, right?
00:31:33
But what happens if they evolve one day
00:31:35
and out of nowhere they figured out how
00:31:37
to get into your house and they've
00:31:39
beelined under your under your door and
00:31:40
they're in your living room, right? We
00:31:43
might have evolved technologically over
00:31:45
the last 80 years since we cracked the
00:31:46
atom so quickly that we're now, you
00:31:49
know, the equivalent of the ants showing
00:31:51
up in their living room. Like all of a
00:31:53
sudden,
00:31:54
>> all of a sudden this waring species,
00:31:56
this violent species, humans, you know,
00:31:59
>> um
00:32:00
>> we have we we progressed so quickly. We
00:32:02
went from
00:32:03
>> no real technological prog progress for
00:32:05
a very long time to cracking the atom
00:32:07
and then figuring out nuclear technology
00:32:09
and then continuing to increase, you
00:32:11
know, our our nuclear technology
00:32:13
development. And you know, we have this
00:32:16
program that has been retrieving their
00:32:18
crash craft and trying to reverse
00:32:20
engineer them. So we might be at that
00:32:22
point where we're about to do what they
00:32:24
do and all of a sudden we are a problem.
00:32:27
Um that might be the explanation of why
00:32:29
they pay so much attention to our
00:32:31
nuclear process. You know there's a lot
00:32:32
of UAP activity not only at the nuclear
00:32:34
weapons sites all over the world but um
00:32:38
sites involved in the process the
00:32:40
nuclear process like uranium mines or
00:32:42
refineries. Is it, you know,
00:32:44
>> it might just be we've gotten to the
00:32:46
point where all of a sudden they have
00:32:47
they have to
00:32:50
>> in uh in the Soviet Union, the UAP came
00:32:54
over and actually started a launch of
00:32:58
the Russian missiles. I mean, it
00:33:00
actually forced the system to start into
00:33:02
a countdown process.
00:33:03
>> How do we know that?
00:33:04
>> By the intelligence community's uh
00:33:08
access to information about it. Every
00:33:10
person we spoke to in Beloraviche said
00:33:12
they saw a flying saucer on that day.
00:33:16
For hours, it hovered over the nearby
00:33:17
ballistic missile base. No one had
00:33:20
touched any buttons. No one had entered
00:33:22
any codes. And yet, as the UFO hovered
00:33:25
over the base, the control panel showed
00:33:27
the missiles were preparing to launch.
00:33:30
For 15 agonizing seconds, the base lost
00:33:33
control of its nuclear weapons.
00:33:36
Logically, I would think that unusual
00:33:38
activity would happen around
00:33:41
consequential sites.
00:33:42
>> Yes.
00:33:43
>> You know, I'd be more surprised if there
00:33:44
was really frequent unusual activity
00:33:47
happening in my back garden, for
00:33:48
example. But around highly consequential
00:33:51
sites, one would expect there to be
00:33:54
people flying things around there,
00:33:55
spying. You know what people are like
00:33:56
with cameras these days? They want to
00:33:58
take photos of anything interesting.
00:33:59
They they hang around police stations
00:34:00
and army barracks,
00:34:01
>> right? Right.
00:34:02
>> So logically I would assume that there
00:34:03
would be an increased probability of
00:34:05
strange activity in the sky above a
00:34:07
nuclear site.
00:34:08
>> Well, in fact, there was a group of
00:34:10
people in the intelligence community who
00:34:12
who recognize exactly what you're
00:34:14
saying. And so they decided to, you
00:34:17
know, make an attractive magnet by
00:34:20
getting a whole lot of nuclear uh assets
00:34:23
in one location to see if that would
00:34:25
draw them in. And my understanding it
00:34:28
was successful. So, you know, our nation
00:34:30
and other nations have figured out
00:34:32
circumstances that can, for lack of a
00:34:34
better term, bait UAP.
00:34:37
>> Um, a certain level of nuclear footprint
00:34:40
in a in a small radius tends to attract
00:34:44
them
00:34:45
>> and um, our nation figured that out a
00:34:47
long time ago and and so did other
00:34:49
nations.
00:34:49
>> One of the things that I've thought
00:34:50
about is I I know very little about
00:34:52
physics, but I know one thing I know is
00:34:54
how big the universe is. Now, I'm quite
00:34:57
a big fan of SpaceX. I'm actually an
00:34:58
investor in the company and um
00:35:00
>> from my fascination with space I've
00:35:02
learned just how big the universe is and
00:35:04
how long it would take us to travel from
00:35:07
I don't know earth to the nearest uh
00:35:09
galaxy. The closest star system to us
00:35:12
which is called Alpha Centuria.
00:35:14
>> Alpha Centuria right
00:35:16
>> is over four light years away which is
00:35:18
about 40 24 trillion miles.
00:35:21
>> Mhm. If we traveled at the impossible
00:35:24
10% of the speed of light, which is
00:35:26
impossible, currently impossible, it
00:35:29
would take a ship 40 years to get there.
00:35:31
>> Now, fortunately, what we learned in
00:35:34
looking at what might be the underlying
00:35:36
physics and using Einstein's theory of
00:35:38
general relativity, it turns out that
00:35:41
there are ways of modifying the
00:35:43
effective speed of light to make it much
00:35:46
higher or much lower. So, you you you
00:35:49
can do that. So, so when you get into
00:35:52
potentially modifying
00:35:54
what we call the space-time metric, you
00:35:56
could get to a point where you can make
00:35:58
wormholes and warp drives. And those are
00:36:02
things that are not off the charts. I
00:36:04
mean, there are actually textbooks by
00:36:06
general relativity experts on on the
00:36:09
fact that you could re-engineer the
00:36:10
spacetime. So you could do it. You could
00:36:13
get from here to there.
00:36:14
>> But you're not saying you would travel
00:36:16
in like a like a a a line like you do in
00:36:19
a plane, right?
00:36:20
>> Well, you could you you could it if if
00:36:22
you arrange for the effective speed of
00:36:25
light in that line to be much higher
00:36:29
than without breaking the speed of
00:36:31
light, you can zoom over there very
00:36:33
quickly. So you even even in in a
00:36:36
straight line. uh
00:36:38
>> but no no one at the moment knows how to
00:36:40
do that on earth.
00:36:43
>> We can write the equations and see how
00:36:45
it doesn't violate our physics equations
00:36:47
but we don't have the uh engineering.
00:36:52
So we figured out basically we figured
00:36:53
out
00:36:54
>> how these how these craft are operating
00:36:57
the theory of it but we don't have the
00:36:59
material sciences right what you say
00:37:00
right to replicate it
00:37:01
>> what I'm pointing out is if you travel
00:37:03
at that speed across the universe if you
00:37:05
even hit I don't know an object the size
00:37:07
of a pebble it would be like a nuclear
00:37:09
explosion
00:37:11
>> the thing is if you're modifying uh
00:37:13
space it's sort of like making like like
00:37:16
a surfer wave on on on you know at the
00:37:19
the seashore you you arrange to have
00:37:22
space moving ahead like that. So you
00:37:25
come up to a rock, it's just going to
00:37:26
push it aside.
00:37:27
>> So you can engineer that.
00:37:29
>> This is how I've wrapped my head around
00:37:30
it. Um, essentially they're they're
00:37:32
warping spaceime in a localized area.
00:37:34
They're creating an immense amount of
00:37:35
energy around the craft and it creates
00:37:38
essentially a bubble around the craft
00:37:40
and that bubble separates the craft from
00:37:42
the environment around it.
00:37:44
>> So the environment has no no impact on
00:37:46
the craft. That's why we see transmium
00:37:48
travel like a craft going, you know,
00:37:51
smooth from space to air to the water
00:37:53
without even a splash. The environment
00:37:56
around the bubble has no bearing on the
00:37:59
craft inside it. And the craft inside it
00:38:01
is in its own spaceime. And once you
00:38:04
wrap your head around that, then things
00:38:06
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00:38:08
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One of the paradoxes with this is they
00:40:14
appear to be such so advanced in their
00:40:17
physics
00:40:18
>> and their technology if I should call it
00:40:20
that. But at the same time they seem to
00:40:22
be crashing a lot which is
00:40:25
>> well actually some of them have not
00:40:27
crashed but have been simply left in the
00:40:32
desert sort of like a gift or a
00:40:34
donation.
00:40:35
>> We're we're still trying to figure that
00:40:37
out. So I mean some of them do do crash
00:40:39
and and uh it can have maybe some of our
00:40:43
electromagnetic pulsing and laser
00:40:45
pulsing can interfere with their
00:40:47
technology and and and you might get a
00:40:49
crash. Why why don't you why do you
00:40:51
think another country hasn't come
00:40:52
forward with similar disclosures and
00:40:55
similar evidence? I
00:40:57
>> actually think there's a really simple
00:40:58
answer for that. Um I think our allies
00:41:01
follow the US's lead,
00:41:03
>> right?
00:41:03
>> And I think our adversaries,
00:41:05
primarily China and Russia,
00:41:07
>> have no reason to go public. They don't
00:41:10
have the same sort of societies and
00:41:12
dynamics like she can do what he wants
00:41:15
anyway. What's what's the advantage to
00:41:16
him? Same thing with Putin. you know,
00:41:19
there is no advantage. And when you look
00:41:21
at it that way, you really quickly get
00:41:22
to the, you know, this is the way it is
00:41:25
for that reason.
00:41:26
>> They did a study in 2026 and found that
00:41:27
45 planets are likely capable of
00:41:30
supporting life. They called this the
00:41:33
habitable zone. Out of more than 6,000
00:41:36
planets discovered so far by NASA.
00:41:38
>> Mhm.
00:41:38
>> Um, there are approximately a trillion
00:41:40
galaxies in the universe and within
00:41:42
these galaxies, 100,000 planets could
00:41:45
potentially host life, according to
00:41:46
Oxford University. Now, I believe that
00:41:49
if you think about the entire universe,
00:41:52
I believe that we're not the only life
00:41:55
in the universe.
00:41:56
>> Yes. Right.
00:41:57
>> I think that's I mean,
00:41:58
>> I think that's a very scientific
00:41:59
conclusion.
00:42:00
>> Probabilistically, it would be pretty
00:42:01
incredible if we were. I mean, it' be
00:42:03
just it's almost inconceivable that we
00:42:05
are. The question of whether that life
00:42:07
has been here is a question that for me
00:42:09
is still a big question mark because I
00:42:11
just you know I also I think Elon you
00:42:14
know whatever you think about Elon he is
00:42:16
someone that seems to just say what he
00:42:17
thinks and this is part of what's caused
00:42:19
his companies a lot of problem is he
00:42:21
seems to be pretty unfiltered. He has
00:42:23
been asked multiple times as well if he
00:42:25
believes that they are there are aliens
00:42:27
in the in in our galaxy and he has said
00:42:29
on multiple occasions that he doesn't
00:42:31
believe that to be the case and you know
00:42:33
he's launching rockets all the time. He
00:42:34
said, I heard him say, "If anyone should
00:42:36
know, it should be me."
00:42:39
Do you think he knows?
00:42:40
>> I think that you can't operate in space
00:42:44
at at at the level he does or operate as
00:42:48
a contractor at the level he does um
00:42:52
without having clearances that require
00:42:55
secrecy. You know, there's there's
00:42:57
there's all kinds of uh levels of
00:43:00
secrecy. You know, there's everyone
00:43:01
knows the word classified, right?
00:43:02
There's classified projects, but there's
00:43:04
also black projects that are
00:43:06
unagnowledged special access programs
00:43:08
where you literally by law required to
00:43:12
not acknowledge the existence of the
00:43:14
program or anything it does. That's
00:43:15
literally the
00:43:16
>> anything it knows.
00:43:17
>> Yeah, that's literally the whole that
00:43:19
they're literally referred to as
00:43:20
unagnowledged special access programs.
00:43:23
All of his team as well with
00:43:24
>> So if you're involved with an on special
00:43:26
access program and someone asks you
00:43:27
about it,
00:43:28
>> you you have to say you have no idea
00:43:30
what they're talking about
00:43:30
>> and all of his team
00:43:32
>> if if they are a part of the program.
00:43:33
Yeah. But just because someone's um read
00:43:36
it on an unagnowledged special access
00:43:39
program doesn't mean all their employees
00:43:41
are. Elon said um that we have 9,000
00:43:44
satellites up there. He's referring to
00:43:46
his company Starink. And not once have
00:43:47
we had to maneuver around an alien
00:43:48
spaceship. He argues that if aliens were
00:43:51
constantly visiting Earth, the aerospace
00:43:53
experts who watch the skies every day
00:43:55
would be the first to know.
00:43:57
>> Well, look, NASA also has said for
00:43:59
decades that they had no evidence of
00:44:02
extraterrestrial life or UAPs, and last
00:44:04
Friday, the federal government released
00:44:06
a photo of a triangle craft hovering
00:44:08
over the 1972 Apollo space mission. So,
00:44:10
somebody's somebody's not being honest,
00:44:13
>> right?
00:44:13
>> You know, which also implies a lot of
00:44:15
other people know things that they
00:44:17
haven't revealed. I I think I've heard
00:44:19
you say before, how that you think this
00:44:22
intelligent life actually exists amongst
00:44:24
us. Yeah. The quote was, "They are not
00:44:26
occasional visitors. They live secretly
00:44:28
alongside humans, but with advanced
00:44:30
technology.
00:44:31
>> We have so many sightings and so many uh
00:44:35
even access to materials and so on. I
00:44:39
mean, they're all over the place.
00:44:40
>> 65% of Americans believe intelligent
00:44:42
life exists on other planets. Uh 40% of
00:44:45
people say military reported UFOs are
00:44:47
probably evidence of extraterrestrial
00:44:49
life
00:44:50
>> according to Pew Research. And 30% of
00:44:51
Americans believe UFOs or unidentified
00:44:53
flying objects are probably alien ships
00:44:55
of life form. And 47% of Americans
00:44:58
believe aliens have definitely or
00:44:59
probably visited Earth at some point.
00:45:01
According to Yuggov, half of Americans
00:45:03
believe that UFOs/
00:45:07
aliens have definitely or probably
00:45:10
visited life at some point.
00:45:12
>> Quite a lot of people. Well, you see you
00:45:14
see the the age of disclosure film and
00:45:17
the people that came forward. I mean,
00:45:19
you had Clapper, ex uh head of the
00:45:22
office of director of national
00:45:24
intelligence and senator Rubio at the
00:45:26
time now in his elevated position and so
00:45:30
on. You now have people of real quality
00:45:33
and you know they're not lying and
00:45:36
they're coming forth and saying this is
00:45:38
real and we got to deal with it and
00:45:42
there's a lot we don't know about it.
00:45:44
>> Could you be wrong?
00:45:46
>> Um I don't think it's about whether I'm
00:45:48
wrong or Al's wrong. You'd have to
00:45:50
believe that senior leadership across
00:45:54
the government, the military, the
00:45:55
intelligence community that has access
00:45:58
to class information and is saying based
00:46:01
on the classified information they have
00:46:02
seen, this is a real situation. You'd
00:46:04
have to believe all of those people are
00:46:06
lying for some bizarre unexplained
00:46:08
reason.
00:46:10
So, I find that hard to believe.
00:46:12
>> Could it be the case that all of those
00:46:13
people were misinterpreting what they
00:46:15
were seeing? they they saw something,
00:46:18
you know, fighter pilots saw something
00:46:20
moving in their visors when they're up
00:46:22
in
00:46:24
>> not really because
00:46:25
>> I mean in some cases that could be the
00:46:27
case but then when you have actual
00:46:29
materials crash craft bodies that aren't
00:46:34
human
00:46:34
>> also a lot of these sightings um they're
00:46:38
now in the process of the White House
00:46:41
cabinet members are in the process of
00:46:44
identifying where the evidence exists
00:46:46
within federal federal agencies and the
00:46:47
military so they can get access to it
00:46:50
themselves and then determine from there
00:46:52
what can safely be shared with the
00:46:54
public. I think once they get their
00:46:56
hands on more evidence then a plan will
00:46:59
be put in place for telling the world
00:47:00
this conclusion and I think we're we're
00:47:03
it's like
00:47:03
>> more close
00:47:04
>> fa complete basically like it's going to
00:47:06
get to that point relatively soon. If we
00:47:08
get to that point and you get personally
00:47:10
invited in to wherever they're keeping
00:47:12
these materials and you get to see every
00:47:13
single file that exists and as you go
00:47:15
through those files you realize that
00:47:18
a lot of what you've been told is not
00:47:20
true because there's other explanations.
00:47:22
How would it like fundamentally change
00:47:24
the way that you see the world?
00:47:27
Some of some of the UAP we've seen like
00:47:29
take the famous everybody knows the tic
00:47:31
tac UFO, right? Uh that Commander Dave
00:47:33
Fraver, the Navy fighter pilot
00:47:34
interacted with in 2004, right? I'll put
00:47:37
that on the screen for anyone that
00:47:38
hasn't seen it.
00:47:38
>> Great. And so take that, take that UAP
00:47:41
for example. Multiple data collection
00:47:43
systems and Commander Dave Fraver, a
00:47:46
legend in the NA in in the Navy, top gun
00:47:48
guy, commander of an entire naval strike
00:47:52
group, right? Like total badass legend
00:47:55
legend of a guy. Uh he sees this with
00:47:57
his own eyes and a bunch of data
00:47:59
collection systems captured data
00:48:01
confirming it's real. This UAP went from
00:48:03
hovering above the ocean to instantly
00:48:06
being at 80,000 ft, which is the
00:48:07
entrance to space, right? And it did
00:48:10
that maneuver all afternoon. The amount
00:48:13
of energy required to do that is so
00:48:16
bonkers. It's we do not humans do, no
00:48:19
human beings have the ability to create
00:48:21
that much that much energy, right, in a
00:48:23
localized area for for
00:48:25
>> an aircraft. And and so to answer your
00:48:28
question, if we find out, you know, the
00:48:32
unthinkable that this is not non-human
00:48:34
intelligent life, that some humans have
00:48:36
figured out how to crack that technology
00:48:39
and did it as recent as 2004 when the
00:48:41
Tic Tac incident happened. That would
00:48:45
be even more mind-blowing than accepting
00:48:49
that life from elsewhere is here and has
00:48:52
been here a long time. Because that
00:48:53
would mean that some some group of
00:48:54
humans leaprogged the rest of all of
00:48:58
humanity technologically by thousands of
00:49:00
years
00:49:01
>> and then seemingly did nothing with that
00:49:04
>> or it could be something else.
00:49:06
>> That's the nature of unusual things.
00:49:07
They become great stories. So I I think
00:49:09
in the case of the tic tac incident
00:49:10
again I'm what I'm trying to do is
00:49:12
interrogate this from all angles is
00:49:15
could it have been something else? Look,
00:49:18
any any isolated event like that, you
00:49:21
could do the whole could it be this,
00:49:22
could it be that thing, but it's the
00:49:23
it's the you got to take a step back and
00:49:25
look at this the collective. It's one
00:49:27
report like that after another from
00:49:29
credible people since World War II.
00:49:32
>> You know, during World War II, pilots
00:49:34
were seeing what they called Foo
00:49:35
Fighters, like these orbs that would
00:49:38
move alongside uh our our fighter jets,
00:49:41
right? Like they would like they would
00:49:43
move in in line with them. Um,
00:49:45
>> and now we have we have people on ships
00:49:48
seeing these things enter the water and
00:49:51
then moving at, you know,
00:49:52
>> impossible 50 knots or something which
00:49:55
no no human being.
00:49:57
>> As far as I know, our fastest submarines
00:49:58
go like 50 miles an hour.
00:50:00
>> These things are going hundreds of miles
00:50:01
an hour under the ocean. So these craft
00:50:03
are transmedium. They're seen in space,
00:50:06
they're seen in the air, they're seen
00:50:07
underwater.
00:50:09
>> There's just too much activity to to
00:50:11
ignore it.
00:50:12
>> Yeah. And and that would be a hard one
00:50:13
to say, well, you know, is there some
00:50:15
sonar thing that makes you think
00:50:17
something is doing that? But it's seen
00:50:19
enough times under enough different
00:50:21
conditions that we just have to accept
00:50:23
that it's real.
00:50:24
>> Is there a reason why this hasn't been
00:50:26
captured on like an iPhone when in 4K?
00:50:30
There's been a lot of stuff captured on
00:50:32
phones and video cameras in in that
00:50:34
scene in the edge of disclosure I
00:50:35
mentioned where Hal and some of the
00:50:36
other people break down how these things
00:50:38
are working and they describe that
00:50:39
they're creating a warp bubble around
00:50:41
the craft. That warp bubble also makes
00:50:43
it very hard to get a clear video of
00:50:46
something cuz you're you're taking a
00:50:47
photo or a video through essentially a
00:50:50
space-time barrier. You know,
00:50:52
>> barrier.
00:50:52
>> It's like the equivalent of taking
00:50:54
pictures of uh trying to take video of
00:50:56
like koiish in a pond from above the
00:50:59
water. it's going to look all distorted
00:51:00
because you're going through the water.
00:51:02
If you're if you're trying to video or
00:51:04
take a photo through a this bubble, it
00:51:06
makes it pretty hard and you end up with
00:51:07
the kind of videos we we see.
00:51:09
>> Um, you're probably familiar with this
00:51:11
NASA report that they produced on UAPs,
00:51:14
independent study team report, where
00:51:15
they
00:51:16
>> they essentially say that they don't
00:51:17
believe that this these UAPs are are
00:51:20
aliens.
00:51:21
>> Why would NASA be lying? like all these
00:51:24
big bureaucracies, there's people who
00:51:25
are aware of the truth and then there's
00:51:27
people who have the truth kept from
00:51:29
them. You know, one of the people I
00:51:31
interviewed was Mike Gold who was on the
00:51:33
UAP uh the NASA UAP task force and he
00:51:37
talked about um how that effort was was
00:51:43
flawed from the start. They didn't want
00:51:45
to have a result that said NASA has all
00:51:47
this information that they've kept from
00:51:48
the public. They wanted the result that
00:51:50
that they landed on, which is there's
00:51:52
nothing to see here. And they were
00:51:54
really discouraged from um for example
00:51:57
the uh that that image of a triangle,
00:52:00
what clearly appears to be a triangle
00:52:01
craft over the moon. Um they were told
00:52:04
not to not to include that in their
00:52:06
report.
00:52:08
>> Like they were they they they were not
00:52:10
set up to tell the world the truth.
00:52:13
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00:52:31
>> In your view, is it possible that aliens
00:52:35
aren't uh aren't real? Is it possible?
00:52:39
Possible.
00:52:42
>> So, you think it's impossible?
00:52:43
>> Yeah. using the term alien, you know,
00:52:45
has a certain connotation about it. So,
00:52:47
we certainly say, I mean, the evidence
00:52:49
is absolutely clear that there is some
00:52:51
form of life with advanced technology.
00:52:54
You know, if you want to say, well, what
00:52:56
can I prove about about it? Well, that
00:52:59
those are still unknowns that we're
00:53:00
trying to sus out.
00:53:03
>> I got access at a very high to a very
00:53:05
high level of the government, the
00:53:07
military intelligence community. And
00:53:08
there were a lot of people who talked to
00:53:09
me off the record that wouldn't go on
00:53:11
camera. There were a lot of people who
00:53:13
uh couldn't tell me about classified
00:53:15
information and want to know classified
00:53:17
information but they all made it very
00:53:20
clear um not just on camera but off the
00:53:23
record that there that there is evidence
00:53:25
at a classified level that is clear as
00:53:28
day like some video taken when like the
00:53:30
bubble is turned off and you can see a
00:53:32
cra a a craft of non-human origin clear
00:53:34
as day and there is evidence of the
00:53:37
technology that's been recovered and of
00:53:39
these bodies and when you when if you
00:53:41
put yourself in my shoes, when you have
00:53:43
so many senior people across the
00:53:45
military, government intelligence
00:53:46
committee telling you this, it's it's
00:53:48
really just impossible to ignore it.
00:53:49
Especially when most of them aren't even
00:53:51
friends, they're not like ideologically
00:53:53
aligned or politically aligned. They're
00:53:55
all just different groups of people.
00:53:57
>> I'm less compelled by eyewitnesses. This
00:53:59
is the problem because, you know, I'm
00:54:00
such a big true crime fan. You hear
00:54:02
about all the bloody cases where
00:54:03
eyewitness said this and then they find
00:54:05
out the serial killer wasn't that person
00:54:06
or that thing didn't happen. So, and I
00:54:08
also just have my own experiences of
00:54:10
like thinking I saw things when I was
00:54:11
younger.
00:54:12
>> Here's an interesting thing you just
00:54:12
made me think of. So, in the film, uh,
00:54:15
Rubio and General Jim Clapper,
00:54:17
>> two people who are completely
00:54:19
ideologically and politically opposed to
00:54:20
each other,
00:54:22
>> made the same really intelligent point,
00:54:26
and they both have knowledge at a a
00:54:28
classified level of this situation. They
00:54:30
both said a problem we as humans have is
00:54:36
that there's something in the human
00:54:37
psyche that says I cannot wrap my head
00:54:40
around or prepare for things I haven't
00:54:43
seen or experienced. Right? And time and
00:54:46
time again throughout history that has
00:54:48
proven to be like a human flaw. Right?
00:54:51
Uh Rubio goes on to say that the
00:54:53
greatest intelligence failures in US
00:54:55
history come from a lack of imagination.
00:54:58
And he cites a few examples. He says,
00:55:00
"We never would have imagined the
00:55:02
Japanese could figure out how to get
00:55:04
torpedoes through the straits and hit us
00:55:06
at Pearl Harbor until they did." Um, he
00:55:09
says, "We never would have imagined
00:55:11
terrorists would fly to the homeland,
00:55:13
learn to fly commercial planes and then
00:55:15
use them in a terrorist attack until
00:55:17
they did." Right? Um he says some other
00:55:19
examples too, but time and time again
00:55:21
not wrapping our head around a set of
00:55:23
circumstances that and using our
00:55:25
imagination to think about what might
00:55:27
happen or what might be happening has
00:55:29
it's bit us in the ass. And he he ends
00:55:31
his line of thought by saying lack of
00:55:33
imagination leads to strategic surprise
00:55:35
like Pearl Harbor, like 9/11. And
00:55:37
sometimes strategic surprise changes the
00:55:39
course of history. Mhm.
00:55:40
>> And so, you know, him and and other
00:55:43
people I interviewed think it's really
00:55:45
important to get ahead of this as
00:55:46
opposed to waiting for something to
00:55:47
happen, as opposed to waiting for, you
00:55:49
know, to find out the hard way that
00:55:51
China, you know, cracked this technology
00:55:52
before us and used it as in an act of
00:55:55
war or uh non-human intelligent life uh
00:55:59
does something unpredictable and then
00:56:01
all of a sudden the US government's on
00:56:02
its heels and so are other governments
00:56:04
on their heels explaining to the public
00:56:06
what they've known for a long time. I
00:56:08
I've often heard that the reason why
00:56:09
they don't tell the general public that
00:56:11
these things exist is because general
00:56:12
public aren't ready for this
00:56:14
information.
00:56:16
Is that an argument? I've not really
00:56:18
heard you guys say that.
00:56:19
>> Yeah. No, people there are people
00:56:20
involved in gatekeeping this information
00:56:23
that don't think the public can handle
00:56:24
the truth. Uh you know, Hal recently
00:56:26
told me that people in the legacy
00:56:28
program are pointing to the age of
00:56:29
disclosy and saying, "Look, this film
00:56:31
reveals a lot and people aren't losing
00:56:34
their [ __ ] You know, people aren't
00:56:35
jumping out of windows. is not causing
00:56:37
chaos in society. Like the public can
00:56:39
handle the base facts.
00:56:41
>> Of all the things you've heard, Dan,
00:56:42
what is the what was the most compelling
00:56:44
story or anecdote that you heard that
00:56:46
convinced you?
00:56:47
>> It was really just the sheer number of
00:56:50
very high level military government
00:56:52
intelligence officials who were telling
00:56:54
me in in private settings to my face,
00:56:57
you know, that at a classified level,
00:57:00
they know with absolute certainty this
00:57:02
is real. But if you had to pick one
00:57:04
story.
00:57:04
>> Oh, I mean it's really it's really it
00:57:07
wasn't one it really wasn't one thing
00:57:08
for me. It was like it was the overall
00:57:11
it's like for example I I interviewed
00:57:12
Rubio and Jill Senator Jill Brown on the
00:57:14
same day. They both uh participated in
00:57:17
the film and did lengthy interviews with
00:57:19
me and both looked me in the face and
00:57:20
told me they thought this was the most
00:57:22
important documentary that's ever been
00:57:23
made and that this was really important
00:57:25
to bring this information out in a
00:57:27
thoughtful way to the public and make
00:57:29
them aware of what's happening. you you
00:57:31
can't like on hear stuff like that, you
00:57:32
know. Um and it makes it makes an impact
00:57:35
on you.
00:57:36
>> What about you, Hal? What was the most
00:57:37
persuasive thing that you that tipped
00:57:40
you over the edge from a you know, maybe
00:57:42
being agnostic to believing that there
00:57:43
are nonhuman intelligent life amongst
00:57:46
us? Well, it's looking at the technology
00:57:50
which is so advanced
00:57:52
that I'm essentially certain that no uh
00:57:57
us or our adversaries could have made
00:57:59
it. So, somebody actually made it and it
00:58:02
has to be somebody who knows a lot more
00:58:04
about physics than we do. I mean there's
00:58:08
this there's nowhere to go but to say
00:58:10
okay there's somebody who is way beyond
00:58:14
humans to develop that kind of
00:58:16
technology and display it
00:58:18
>> of all the evidence that's been released
00:58:20
and all of the rumors and videos and you
00:58:22
know going back to the crop fields that
00:58:24
we used to hear about many years ago
00:58:26
presumably there's lots of this stuff
00:58:27
that you don't believe
00:58:29
>> that you think is nonsense. Oh, there's
00:58:31
definitely there's definitely tons of
00:58:32
>> there's tons of reports that are that
00:58:35
when you look into them seem like
00:58:37
[ __ ] for sure
00:58:39
>> because you know one of the things
00:58:40
people often say is that alien encounter
00:58:42
descriptions perfectly matched the pop
00:58:43
culture of that era. So people saw
00:58:46
flying saucers in the in the 1950s after
00:58:48
sci-fi movies popularized them and gray
00:58:50
aliens in the 1980s after books um like
00:58:53
Communion
00:58:54
>> popularized them. And this kind of
00:58:56
suggests that sightings are born from
00:58:58
human imagination versus
00:59:01
>> well I I think I and I think that's a
00:59:03
reasonable uh place to come to. I think
00:59:06
I think a lot of the reports that we get
00:59:09
you know we can generally set aside as
00:59:11
being you know just manufactured by
00:59:14
humans who get caught up in this sort of
00:59:17
give and take on social media and so on.
00:59:20
But nonetheless, when you really zero in
00:59:23
on actual evidence of technologies and
00:59:26
evidence of bodies there, you can't just
00:59:29
say it's uh you know, it's just social
00:59:32
contagion.
00:59:33
>> The when I think about the technologies,
00:59:34
when I watch like the tic tac video,
00:59:36
>> it's kind of blurry and I don't really
00:59:38
know what I'm looking at.
00:59:39
>> Like there's this thing moving around on
00:59:40
the screen that's like black and white,
00:59:42
but I don't really know what I'm looking
00:59:43
at. And I think this has always been the
00:59:45
struggle with it is we're so used to
00:59:47
consuming content in high definition
00:59:50
that we can clearly and it appears to be
00:59:52
the case that so many of these UAP
00:59:54
videos are like in the distance and kind
00:59:55
of blurry and vague. So it makes them
00:59:59
harder to believe and it just I think
01:00:00
we're all longing for like a solid
01:00:02
video. You talked about them going in
01:00:04
and out of the water. How come someone's
01:00:06
not got a you got if someone like falls
01:00:08
over and we we we capture it all on
01:00:09
camera these days. CCTV cameras on every
01:00:12
high street. Why is there not like a
01:00:14
solid video of something going in the
01:00:16
water and out the water?
01:00:17
>> Look, m multiple people said on on
01:00:19
camera that they have seen with their
01:00:21
own eyes, classified videos that are
01:00:23
indisputable. Um, and some of them told
01:00:26
me specifics like that story I told you
01:00:28
that the first video J Stratton was
01:00:29
shown when he went down this rabbit hole
01:00:31
was a triangle craft hovering over a
01:00:33
nuclear weapons site. Uh, Air Force
01:00:35
security guards had filmed it on a
01:00:36
little VHS camera that they had. It was
01:00:38
it was hovering long enough for them to
01:00:40
do that. you know, that kind of evidence
01:00:41
exists, but it's just still classified.
01:00:43
>> Will it be coming out, do you think?
01:00:44
>> I I I hope so. I I I know this process
01:00:47
is playing out right now where people
01:00:48
like like J Stratton are helping the
01:00:50
administration find where the evidence
01:00:53
exists so they can get their hands on it
01:00:55
and then determine whether it can safely
01:00:57
be declassified. Like that process is
01:00:59
definitely playing out right now.
01:01:00
>> Do you think do you trust the Trump
01:01:02
administration to release all of the
01:01:03
available information? I
01:01:05
>> I don't think it's a question of do we
01:01:07
trust the current administration will
01:01:09
release it. It's do we think all these
01:01:12
federal agencies and branches of
01:01:13
military are going to turn over the
01:01:16
evidence they have to the
01:01:18
administration? That's the question. And
01:01:19
the juryy's still out on that. They're
01:01:21
they're not right now. They're pushing
01:01:22
back. And they're pushing back hard. And
01:01:24
that's why the administration is working
01:01:26
with people like Stratton, like Jay
01:01:28
Stratton, who who who had who over 16
01:01:31
years has learned where a lot of this
01:01:32
evidence is. Um they're working with
01:01:34
people like him to find out where the
01:01:36
evidence sits, who who's gatekeeping it
01:01:38
at each of these different organizations
01:01:40
and how to get to it. Um so they're
01:01:43
doing they're doing a factf finding
01:01:44
mission right now.
01:01:51
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If it is released, if all the
01:02:51
information that you've heard from your
01:02:52
witnesses is released, if they release,
01:02:55
you know, craft, alien craft, and they
01:02:57
release alien bodies and all of these
01:02:59
things, how do you imagine the world
01:03:01
would be different?
01:03:02
>> I think it will lead to a giant
01:03:06
technology boom. I think once we're
01:03:09
told, hey, there's this technology that
01:03:11
exists that could revolutionize the way
01:03:13
we live, you know, it could lead to
01:03:15
anti-gravity technology. It could lead
01:03:16
to new energy sources, new energy
01:03:19
sources. Solve the energy crisis
01:03:20
overnight, right? Could lead to
01:03:22
interstellar travel and going farther
01:03:24
out, you know,
01:03:25
>> and I think it would have a great
01:03:26
psychological effect because, you know,
01:03:29
if suddenly uh you go from the point of
01:03:32
saying, well, maybe we're the only
01:03:34
intelligent species in the universe and
01:03:36
then you suddenly get the idea that this
01:03:39
is a universe full of life.
01:03:41
>> What does that mean for religion?
01:03:43
I think all dogmas will just apply to
01:03:44
it, you know, and I think that the
01:03:46
Vatican's already gotten ahead of it and
01:03:48
said, you know, they put out a message a
01:03:50
couple years ago that basically the the
01:03:51
the gist of it was, you know, God's
01:03:54
God's universe and God's work is vast
01:03:56
and, you know,
01:03:57
>> vast and basically you couldn't you
01:03:58
couldn't uh, you know, say that he he
01:04:01
wouldn't have the ability to do that. I
01:04:03
mean, yeah.
01:04:04
>> So, I from a religious standpoint and
01:04:08
certainly in thea case of the Catholic
01:04:09
Church, they've had uh very positive
01:04:13
views about population being throughout
01:04:16
the universe.
01:04:17
>> And there's nothing really, at least
01:04:18
from the Catholic Church's perspective,
01:04:20
there's nothing that counters the, you
01:04:23
know, that doesn't allow you to wrap
01:04:24
your head around the fact that there's
01:04:25
other life out there, you know.
01:04:27
>> Are you guys religious? not like overly
01:04:29
religious, but like you know I my my my
01:04:31
mom's Irish and and grew up going to
01:04:33
Catholic school and I you know I went to
01:04:35
a CCD and you know Sunday school it's
01:04:38
called a C CCD where I grew up. Um but
01:04:40
>> you believe in God?
01:04:41
>> I do. I do.
01:04:42
>> Do you believe in God?
01:04:43
>> I do too. Yeah. And I'm a practicing
01:04:45
Catholic. So
01:04:46
>> So would that mean that you believe God
01:04:47
has made all of these aliens as well?
01:04:50
>> That's my that's what my worldview is.
01:04:52
>> Yeah. I would think that I couldn't say
01:04:53
that's not the case. But, you know, as a
01:04:56
scientist, I can't prove that that it is
01:04:58
the case. But, you know, just just on
01:05:01
the statistics of it, it's pretty
01:05:03
likely.
01:05:04
>> You know, an interesting thing happening
01:05:06
right now, Stephen, too, is these people
01:05:08
who have been gatekeeping the truth. Um,
01:05:12
a lot of them are afraid to come forward
01:05:14
and tell the White House what they know
01:05:15
because they they think they're going to
01:05:16
be villainized. They think the optics
01:05:19
around this are such that like if
01:05:22
someone's been covering this up, they're
01:05:24
they're they're they're the villain of
01:05:25
the story, right? And so, um, the White
01:05:29
House and the Director of National
01:05:31
Intelligence and the Department of War
01:05:35
realized this and so in the last couple
01:05:37
weeks, they've been messaging out to the
01:05:38
military and the intelligence community
01:05:40
that this is not a witch hunt. It's not
01:05:42
an endeavor to punish anyone. They want
01:05:45
to encourage people to come forward.
01:05:46
assure them there will be no no
01:05:48
punishment u for being involved in
01:05:50
gatekeeping this. They just want to
01:05:51
learn the truth and find out where the
01:05:53
real evidence sits. So that's another
01:05:55
thing that's playing out right now that
01:05:56
I think if it gets out there enough uh
01:05:59
it will lead to more people coming
01:06:00
forward with that that evidence we all
01:06:03
want to see.
01:06:04
>> Yeah.
01:06:04
>> Earlier on we you talked about how some
01:06:06
people feel like their lives are at risk
01:06:08
because of what they know. Has there
01:06:11
been any instance of anyone being
01:06:12
punished for saying anything in this
01:06:14
regard?
01:06:15
Well, certainly having having their
01:06:17
clearances pulled or losing their op
01:06:20
opportunities for advancement. Uh we
01:06:24
we've heard stories like that from from
01:06:26
several people in the intelligence.
01:06:28
>> Is there is there anyone you can name
01:06:30
that has said that they were threatened
01:06:32
or punished or in some form because of
01:06:35
what they
01:06:35
>> Well, certainly the the number one
01:06:36
whistleblower for for many people has
01:06:38
been David Crush. And so he has uh
01:06:42
outlined the various steps taken against
01:06:45
him to basically ruin his career
01:06:49
significantly enough that he went to the
01:06:51
inspector general of the intelligence
01:06:53
community and said I'm being punished,
01:06:57
shoved aside, losing clearances and so
01:07:00
on because I came out with this data and
01:07:02
they said well what you provided us is,
01:07:05
you know, serious worthy of
01:07:07
consideration. And I think a lot of
01:07:08
people have had their lives threatened.
01:07:10
>> Um I'm not certain if if anyone has been
01:07:13
killed. Um but I know people have had
01:07:16
their lives threatened.
01:07:17
>> Yeah.
01:07:19
>> And who's threatening them?
01:07:21
>> People that are involved um in this this
01:07:25
program referred to as the legacy
01:07:27
program
01:07:28
>> who think that the evidence should not
01:07:30
ever come out.
01:07:32
>> This legacy program. So this is a
01:07:34
program ran within the US government to
01:07:38
>> US government
01:07:39
>> elements of it
01:07:40
>> elements of it uh and also defense
01:07:43
contractors
01:07:43
>> and you think the legacy program knows
01:07:46
the truth on this regard?
01:07:48
>> Yes, because they have the firsthand
01:07:51
evidence of the crash materials and the
01:07:54
bodies.
01:07:55
There's 80 years of data that this this
01:08:00
group has
01:08:01
>> and they haven't released or leaked that
01:08:04
data for the last 80 years.
01:08:06
>> There'd be no advantage.
01:08:07
>> No one's hacked it.
01:08:09
>> This this program is the epitome of a
01:08:11
special access program. I think this
01:08:13
program is as off the grid as it it
01:08:15
could possibly be.
01:08:16
>> It almost seems like there's nothing
01:08:18
that eventually hasn't come to come to
01:08:19
light that the government have done.
01:08:21
Like I've sat here and interviewed a lot
01:08:22
of CIA spies who've told me the history
01:08:25
of the CIA and this program that lasted
01:08:27
for 12 years and then it comes out and
01:08:29
this program and I mean even some of the
01:08:30
stuff that I've heard you talk about how
01:08:32
around um what's it called?
01:08:34
>> Remote viewing.
01:08:35
>> Remote remote viewing. That was that CIA
01:08:37
project.
01:08:39
>> What is remote viewing?
01:08:40
>> Remote viewing. Well, the the the CIA
01:08:43
suddenly got concerned because they saw
01:08:45
that the Soviets were spending millions
01:08:47
of dollars at some of their best
01:08:49
institutes to investigate the possible
01:08:51
use of quote ESP.
01:08:53
>> What's ESP?
01:08:54
>> Psychic ability.
01:08:55
>> Yeah. Psychic abilities, extra sensory
01:08:57
perception. And so, as it turns out, I
01:09:00
was at Stanford Research Institute and
01:09:03
uh they saw my background. They came to
01:09:06
me and said, you know, we'd like for you
01:09:08
to to look into this. Is there anything
01:09:10
to this? I mean, no scientist in America
01:09:13
even believes there is such a thing as
01:09:15
ESP.
01:09:15
>> Who came to you?
01:09:16
>> CIA.
01:09:18
>> This is This is in the 70s.
01:09:19
>> The CIA.
01:09:19
>> Back in the 70s.
01:09:20
>> The CIA approached you in the 70s and
01:09:22
asked you to investigate remote viewing.
01:09:24
>> That's right. And so they asked me to
01:09:26
set up a small program and 50 or 60K or
01:09:30
whatever. They said, you know, we hope
01:09:32
you'll find this is all nonsense. We can
01:09:33
forget about it. We don't have to worry
01:09:35
about it. And it grew into, you know,
01:09:38
more than a two decade program. Millions
01:09:41
of dollars. Stargate is the label for it
01:09:43
that most people know about because by
01:09:46
now most of the information in the
01:09:47
program came out and basically it we
01:09:50
just we just found that uh people
01:09:53
essentially just like you have artistic
01:09:56
ability or athletic ability or whatever
01:09:59
music ability. Well, we found out that
01:10:02
remote viewing, this ability to sit in a
01:10:05
location and pick up information from
01:10:08
someplace far away, uh, is a talent that
01:10:12
many people could uh, demonstrate. And
01:10:14
so we ended up, uh, actually training
01:10:17
Army Intelligence officers at the Army
01:10:20
Intelligence and Security Command at
01:10:22
Fort me how to do this. And so,
01:10:24
>> so wait, let me just simplify this for
01:10:26
the audience that might not fully
01:10:28
understand what we're talking about. So
01:10:29
remote viewing is the idea that I could
01:10:30
sit here in London where we are now and
01:10:33
I could be trained to see what was going
01:10:36
on in another part of the world
01:10:38
>> to make your mind's eye go to a remote
01:10:40
location.
01:10:40
>> I'll give you a specific example. A
01:10:43
Soviet plane that CIA wanted to get hold
01:10:46
of went down somewhere in Africa and
01:10:49
they didn't they didn't know where
01:10:50
because the pilot had bailed out and it
01:10:53
just went on till it ran out of gas. So,
01:10:56
we got two of our quote best remote
01:10:58
viewers, one that worked for the Air
01:11:00
Force and one that worked for my
01:11:02
organization to say, "Okay, here's a map
01:11:05
of Africa. Where's that damn plane? We
01:11:07
got to go in and get it." And they put
01:11:10
an X on the map that was in three miles
01:11:12
of where the plane went down out of the
01:11:13
hundreds of thousands of square miles.
01:11:15
And so, the CIA went in and got the
01:11:17
plane. So, I mean, it was, you know, how
01:11:19
do they do that? Well,
01:11:20
>> by the way, there's an audio recording
01:11:22
of President Jimmy Carter telling that
01:11:23
story.
01:11:24
>> Yeah.
01:11:25
Hm.
01:11:26
>> Post post presidency.
01:11:27
>> Maybe we should play that.
01:11:29
>> One time we had a a small plane go down
01:11:32
somewhere in Africa. We were not able to
01:11:36
find it by surveillance from our
01:11:39
satellites. So the director of the CIA,
01:11:42
he was also director of all the
01:11:44
intelligence agencies,
01:11:46
heard about a a woman in California that
01:11:50
uh was a medium and he uh contacted her
01:11:54
and she gave him the latitude and
01:12:00
longitude of the plane's whereabouts.
01:12:03
And the next time one of our space
01:12:05
satellites went over that area, we
01:12:08
located the plane where she said it was.
01:12:10
>> Again, this sounds like it's impossible.
01:12:12
>> Sounds like
01:12:14
>> it sounds completely bananas. It sounds
01:12:15
like something out of an X-Men comic
01:12:17
book. It sounds crazy, but
01:12:19
>> well, I was okay. You want to be really
01:12:22
practical about it. Uh, you know, they
01:12:24
they often are skeptics would say,
01:12:26
"Well, if they're so psychic, why aren't
01:12:28
they rich? Why aren't they in the stock
01:12:29
market or whatever?"
01:12:31
So we set up a little program on a
01:12:34
challenge to predict silver futures
01:12:36
>> to to predict what?
01:12:37
>> Silver futures.
01:12:38
>> Just the value of silver.
01:12:39
>> Yeah. The value of silver silver on a
01:12:41
daily basis. Was it going to go up or go
01:12:43
down?
01:12:44
>> So we had somebody said, "Okay, I I will
01:12:47
if you'll set up a little program like
01:12:49
that for 30 days, I'll bet on what your
01:12:51
quote remote viewers say and I'll put
01:12:54
the money in and I'll give you 10% of
01:12:57
what I make." Said, "Okay, fine." Now,
01:12:59
long story short, uh made um $260,000 in
01:13:04
the 30 days. We got our 10% which is
01:13:07
$26,000.
01:13:09
So people could actually in this case
01:13:12
even look into the future a day and
01:13:17
generate a description of what they were
01:13:19
going to see and handle the following
01:13:20
day.
01:13:21
>> Presumably not everybody. How many
01:13:22
people did you have do that experiment?
01:13:24
>> We had uh seven in that experiment. And
01:13:27
how many of them were successful in
01:13:29
generating?
01:13:29
>> Six of the seven uh generated really
01:13:32
good data.
01:13:32
>> So are those six of people now rich?
01:13:36
>> Well, I don't know. Some of them may may
01:13:38
have followed up. They don't
01:13:40
>> Why were those six people picked?
01:13:43
>> Since we had learned that sort of
01:13:45
anybody can do this. Uh we were actually
01:13:48
raising money for a school that was
01:13:50
being put together. So, I just went to
01:13:53
the board of directors and said, "Okay,
01:13:55
I'm going to give you a crash course
01:13:56
over the weekend in quote remote viewing
01:13:59
of the type we train intelligence
01:14:01
officers to do." And um so you're going
01:14:04
to be it.
01:14:06
>> So, you just It was the board of the
01:14:08
school.
01:14:08
>> Yeah. Board of the school. Yeah.
01:14:10
>> Okay.
01:14:10
>> They all knew what I did for a living.
01:14:12
And so
01:14:12
>> this program Stargate got so much um
01:14:16
actionable intelligence from the remote
01:14:18
viewers that house started briefing at
01:14:20
the time the director of the CIA on a
01:14:22
regular basis.
01:14:22
>> Yeah. I'm going I briefed all the way up
01:14:24
to Bill Casey, director of the CIA.
01:14:26
>> So does it still exist this program in
01:14:29
any capacity?
01:14:30
>> Remote viewing.
01:14:31
>> If it does, you wouldn't hear about it.
01:14:33
>> Why?
01:14:35
>> Because
01:14:37
it would be a black highly classified
01:14:39
program.
01:14:40
>> Why? because we don't want our
01:14:41
adversaries to know how we might be
01:14:44
getting access to their data.
01:14:45
>> You just told us,
01:14:47
>> but people can not believe that and
01:14:49
that's fine.
01:14:50
>> But aren't you under some sort of
01:14:51
contract?
01:14:52
>> Well, as it turns out, the CIA and and
01:14:55
DIA, it also went to the DIA. That
01:14:57
program finally got declassified at the
01:15:01
level it was operating at and that you
01:15:03
can go to the CIA reading room and you
01:15:06
can get all of the documents on it. So
01:15:08
your work was originally classified.
01:15:10
>> Oh, it was originally a top secret
01:15:12
special access program. Yeah.
01:15:16
>> There's a part of me that goes, listen,
01:15:17
if people could do remote viewing and
01:15:19
see, you know, into other parts of the
01:15:21
world or predict the things that you're
01:15:23
saying, I mean, if if if it was
01:15:27
trainable,
01:15:29
everything so like life as we know it
01:15:31
would be completely flipped on its head.
01:15:33
I think it's unreasonable to think that
01:15:36
when Stargate became public, the US
01:15:38
government stopped
01:15:42
remote viewing.
01:15:42
>> I mean, I wouldn't stop. If I was the US
01:15:44
government, if it worked, I wouldn't
01:15:45
stop.
01:15:46
>> I think it just went underground. Moved
01:15:47
to a different agency.
01:15:48
>> Went underground.
01:15:50
>> So, you were training people to do it
01:15:51
though.
01:15:52
>> Yeah, we Well, we had Yeah, we had we
01:15:54
had people that we trained.
01:15:56
>> So, train me.
01:15:58
>> Okay. Well, yeah. How do you train now?
01:16:01
A number of the military intelligence
01:16:03
officers that we trained have now left
01:16:05
the military and they do have training
01:16:08
courses.
01:16:09
>> Do you do you believe that?
01:16:11
>> I do. At first I thought it just sounded
01:16:13
too much like something in a comic book,
01:16:15
right? But the more I first read about
01:16:19
Stargate and the declassified documents,
01:16:21
started to realize how serious the
01:16:22
government took it and the more I
01:16:25
learned about it through how and then
01:16:27
eventually um I really don't want to get
01:16:29
into the details of this but eventually
01:16:31
um I got connected with someone who has
01:16:34
done remote viewing for the government
01:16:35
and they did a demonstration for me that
01:16:37
blew my mind
01:16:39
>> cuz you would think if anyone was
01:16:40
capable of doing remote viewing they
01:16:42
could go on the internet and make one
01:16:45
prediction or do one video that would
01:16:47
be, you know, proven to be true and they
01:16:49
would literally be considered to be a
01:16:52
superhum. Like they would literally be I
01:16:55
mean people would probably think they
01:16:56
were a deity or or a spiritual leader or
01:16:59
something if one person could do what we
01:17:01
found was that it seems to be an act
01:17:05
action that is just part of the human
01:17:08
makeup.
01:17:09
>> And so it isn't like they're a super
01:17:11
deity or a godlike or really off the
01:17:14
charts. It's something that people can
01:17:16
learn to do like they can learn to play
01:17:17
the piano or whatever this for whatever
01:17:20
reason.
01:17:20
>> Maybe now we have new uh you know
01:17:24
psychiatrists and neurohysiologists
01:17:27
beginning to study you know how does
01:17:29
consciousness do its thing in the brain
01:17:31
and so on.
01:17:33
Are there elements of it uh once you get
01:17:35
into quantum theory and quantum
01:17:37
entanglement that would say you could
01:17:39
have evidence uh you know beyond just
01:17:42
our physical structure
01:17:44
>> like it could be rationalized with like
01:17:45
a quantum connection basically the the
01:17:46
the moving your mind's eye to another
01:17:48
location which also goes to like you
01:17:51
know how's life very interestingly you
01:17:53
know first was the Stargate stuff and
01:17:55
then he got into UAP and the overlap
01:17:57
that I find fascinating is some of these
01:18:00
craft that have been found or crashes
01:18:04
that have happened. Um the reports from
01:18:06
people involved say that a lot of them
01:18:09
don't have any control panels in them.
01:18:11
>> Like they're basically empty other than
01:18:13
seats, which suggests that maybe there's
01:18:16
some sort of mind connection controlling
01:18:19
these craft.
01:18:20
>> I did wonder about the crafts. I
01:18:21
thought, you know, if I was an advanced
01:18:22
civilization, why would I and I was that
01:18:24
smart, why would I send life to these
01:18:26
planets when I could just send the
01:18:28
crafts, you know, why am I sending
01:18:30
biological life when I could just send
01:18:31
the
01:18:32
>> Maybe they're manufactured biological
01:18:33
life. Maybe it's maybe they're
01:18:34
equivalent. Maybe they're not sentient
01:18:36
sentient. Yeah,
01:18:38
>> it's true.
01:18:38
>> But the remote viewing stuff opens up a
01:18:41
lot of possibilities if
01:18:42
>> Yeah. I mean we as part of this CIA
01:18:45
program we found that uh people could
01:18:49
affect quantum devices that were totally
01:18:52
shielded by superconducting shielding.
01:18:54
>> Tell them tell them that particular
01:18:56
story. That's yeah, we we uh there's a
01:19:00
quote psychic so-called and uh so I
01:19:03
brought him to Stanford and I I was
01:19:05
skeptical at the time and uh I said,
01:19:07
"Okay, well, we've got this super
01:19:09
experiment where there's tiny quantum
01:19:13
chip down inside of this electrical
01:19:16
shielding, magnetic shielding,
01:19:17
superconducting shielding. We want to
01:19:20
see if you can affect it."
01:19:23
And he did. I mean, this is supposed to
01:19:25
be totally nonaffectable
01:19:27
from by anything on the outside. In
01:19:30
fact, it was developed by the Navy to
01:19:32
just look for corks and stuff like that.
01:19:35
And so, it was supposed to not be
01:19:38
influenced from the outside by anything.
01:19:41
And he influenced it. And when I say he
01:19:42
influenced it, I'm not just saying
01:19:44
there's a little blip that, you know,
01:19:46
you could kind of read into it. No, it
01:19:48
it was a system where it ordinarily just
01:19:52
had an oscillating signal like that and
01:19:54
then when he affected it just stopped
01:19:56
the oscillation
01:19:58
and then he also make the oscillation go
01:20:00
twice as fast. Of course, poor graduate
01:20:02
student whose life dependent on this not
01:20:04
being affected from the outside, you
01:20:06
know, really. But then they uh that that
01:20:10
that raised a big issue for them. That
01:20:12
means uh gee does that mean if we put if
01:20:15
we hide our documents inside of
01:20:17
superconducting safes the Russians might
01:20:19
be able to so actually when we had dant
01:20:23
the American remote viewers got together
01:20:25
with the Soviet remote viewers and
01:20:27
traded war stories did experiments
01:20:30
together for
01:20:31
>> you know I'm I think I'm naturally
01:20:33
skeptical because I'm skeptical with all
01:20:34
things but I'm often proven wrong. So,
01:20:37
you know, my fiance, she um she believes
01:20:39
lots of things I don't believe. And so,
01:20:41
so frequently she's been proven right in
01:20:43
those things that I remain open-minded
01:20:46
to things in life because I've leared
01:20:48
to. So, I think that's where I remain. I
01:20:51
remain open-minded. And I think on the
01:20:54
balance of probability, if you ask me,
01:20:56
do I think there's other life in the
01:20:57
universe? I think it would be crazy to
01:20:59
say there wasn't.
01:21:00
>> Right. Right.
01:21:00
>> But, but has there been life that has
01:21:02
arrived here that we've recovered? I
01:21:04
just I would need more evidence. Is that
01:21:07
>> I I think I think that's the right
01:21:09
attitude and we're hoping that uh with
01:21:12
the
01:21:13
release of documents that's starting to
01:21:15
happen now that you'll get that
01:21:17
evidence. But in the absence of actually
01:21:21
getting access to the evidence, it's
01:21:23
very reasonable that to be skeptical.
01:21:25
>> Yeah, absolutely. I do think though that
01:21:28
the current administration in the US is
01:21:31
so focused on following through with
01:21:33
this directive the president gave to to
01:21:36
get all the evidence within the
01:21:38
possession of the federal government,
01:21:39
all the different agencies, the military
01:21:41
branches, and then figure out what can
01:21:42
be declassified. I think they're taking
01:21:43
it so serious that we're going to we're
01:21:45
going to get to more tranches of more
01:21:46
meaningful evidence. And I think
01:21:48
eventually we'll get to that thing that
01:21:50
we that that moment that we've all only
01:21:51
seen in movies where a sitting president
01:21:53
steps to a microphone and tells the
01:21:54
world we're not alone in the universe. I
01:21:56
think I think we're going to get there.
01:21:58
>> I think so too.
01:22:01
>> Just a matter of time.
01:22:03
>> Does it change the meaning of life if
01:22:04
that becomes the case? Does it does it
01:22:06
mean anything for us as humans?
01:22:08
>> What do you think the meaning of life
01:22:09
is? How? And do you think we should
01:22:11
change our behavior in any way even if
01:22:13
this
01:22:13
>> moment does occur? I think if we found
01:22:16
out that there were life throughout the
01:22:18
universe that it's uh it can be
01:22:21
developed in all kinds of forms then
01:22:24
then that makes us uh take a new look at
01:22:27
well what does it mean to be human you
01:22:29
know we ought to think about if we can
01:22:32
interacting with these other uh species
01:22:34
and seeing what we can learn from them
01:22:35
and what might they learn from us and so
01:22:38
it just opens up a whole new sort of
01:22:40
view of what the universe is like. I
01:22:44
mean, I've got I've got 15 grandkids.
01:22:46
They should grow up in a universe where
01:22:48
it's teameming with life and they know
01:22:50
that. And that's a very uh kind of an
01:22:53
exciting kind of thing.
01:22:55
>> I think it also could be the one thing
01:22:56
that could unify all of humanity. You
01:22:58
know, Reagan gave a great speech during
01:23:00
his presidency at the United Nations
01:23:02
where he said he often thinks that it
01:23:05
might be a threat from outside this
01:23:07
universe that makes all of humanity come
01:23:09
together and think more about what it
01:23:11
has in common than than its differences
01:23:14
um and you know moves them past the the
01:23:17
the the conflicts of the moment. And
01:23:19
that might be you know wishful thinking
01:23:21
and might be naive but it also might
01:23:24
actually be the one thing that could
01:23:26
that could line people up. Has it
01:23:28
changed how you think about the the
01:23:30
meaning of life?
01:23:31
>> Between what I've learned about the the
01:23:33
reality of the UAP situation and the
01:23:35
existence of non-human dollar life, what
01:23:37
I've learned about, for example, remote
01:23:39
viewing, it's made me realize that our
01:23:42
sort of western present day view of
01:23:45
reality is not complete. You know, we
01:23:48
think we know everything there is, you
01:23:50
know, to life and and how things work
01:23:52
and we just don't. And when you're
01:23:54
honest with yourself and you look back
01:23:55
at history, all the times people thought
01:23:57
that they were they were proven wrong
01:23:58
pretty quickly.
01:24:00
>> And so it's made me open to a lot more
01:24:03
possibilities um than than I would have
01:24:05
been just just 10 years ago.
01:24:08
>> I think it'd be a renaissance in in our
01:24:11
attitudes toward life and and
01:24:13
everything. Yeah.
01:24:14
>> Are you both open to being wrong?
01:24:16
>> Yeah. Look, I should have said this
01:24:18
early on. When I first started making my
01:24:20
documentary, I was totally prepared to
01:24:23
have people tell me, "Look, this is all
01:24:25
[ __ ] It was all cover for our
01:24:27
classified projects."
01:24:28
>> Did they?
01:24:29
>> No, no one did. That was the crazy
01:24:30
thing. Not Not a single person did. I
01:24:33
would I was trying to pull it out of
01:24:34
people. I'd be like, you know, come on.
01:24:37
This is really This is like a black
01:24:38
project, an unagnowledged special access
01:24:41
program, right? Like just just say
01:24:43
nothing if that's the case. And they're
01:24:44
like, "No, dude. Not not even close."
01:24:47
like it was o over and over and these
01:24:49
weren't random people. These were like
01:24:50
senior people on the Senate Intelligence
01:24:52
Committee, on the Senate Armed Services
01:24:53
Committee, um leaders in in the
01:24:56
intelligence community, leaders in in in
01:24:58
the military, and so yeah, it's hard to
01:25:02
ignore.
01:25:02
>> Yeah.
01:25:03
>> Well, Trump has released the first round
01:25:05
of the UAP reports. Um so I guess in
01:25:08
many respects, this conversation is to
01:25:10
be continued.
01:25:11
>> Yeah. Yeah. And we we we have been told
01:25:13
by our friends in government that the
01:25:15
next trunch of evidence is likely to
01:25:17
come out in the next 30 days or so and
01:25:19
it's going to be a rolling
01:25:20
declassification process. So there'll be
01:25:23
a lot more to talk about in the near
01:25:24
future.
01:25:25
>> Thank you so much for your time. Really
01:25:26
appreciate it. I feel very
01:25:27
>> Thank you for your curious
01:25:29
>> very very curious and I I highly
01:25:31
recommend people go check out your
01:25:32
documentary. I'm going to link it below.
01:25:33
Um, and I think one of the great things
01:25:35
about the documentary is the diversity
01:25:37
of people you've spoken to, including
01:25:38
Marco Rubio, who is now working
01:25:40
alongside President Trump and many
01:25:42
others, including yourself, Hal, um, and
01:25:44
other guests that I've people like Jay
01:25:45
who, um, I hope to speak to sometime
01:25:47
soon.
01:25:48
>> Cool.
01:25:48
>> Thank you for having us and thank you
01:25:50
for bringing attention to interesting
01:25:51
topics like this. I really do think, you
01:25:54
know,
01:25:54
>> you know, people like you are are
01:25:55
helping open people's minds. You know,
01:25:57
in the past, you only had, you know, it
01:25:59
wasn't that long ago there's only four
01:26:00
TV networks, right? and a small group of
01:26:03
legacy media people controlled what
01:26:04
people thought about really. So people
01:26:06
here are opening up everyone's minds to
01:26:08
other possibilities and other
01:26:09
information. And so thank you.
01:26:11
>> It's it's it's interesting because
01:26:14
again sometimes I think I have to remind
01:26:16
the audience of like why I do what I do
01:26:17
and why I pick the subjects that I pick.
01:26:19
But it's honestly just what I'm curious
01:26:21
about.
01:26:21
>> And if if something rises in public
01:26:23
curiosity and it's in my my curiosity,
01:26:25
then I'll speak about it. It's not an
01:26:27
endorsement of me believing everything.
01:26:29
It is just me wanting to learn more.
01:26:31
>> Yeah.
01:26:31
>> And I, you know, I I wish we lived in a
01:26:33
society that was more open-minded
01:26:35
generally to the people on the other
01:26:36
side of the aisle or to subjects that
01:26:38
are currently considered to be, I don't
01:26:40
know, controversial or or or not.
01:26:42
Because, you know, it's not lost on me
01:26:44
that my own very existence as a black
01:26:48
businessman is in of itself um something
01:26:51
that was once a very controversial idea.
01:26:53
And so I'm all for, you know, uh,
01:26:56
controversial ideas being having some
01:26:58
kind of space to be.
01:27:00
>> Well, every major breakthrough in the
01:27:02
history of humanity came from someone
01:27:03
being curious, right? And wanting to
01:27:05
learn about something they weren't aware
01:27:06
of. So I I think great things will come
01:27:08
out of it. and and and you just touched
01:27:10
on something that we didn't mention,
01:27:11
which is I found shockingly that this is
01:27:14
the the UAP issue, non-human life, is
01:27:17
the most bipartisan issue in Washington
01:27:20
DC at a time when Democrats and
01:27:22
Republicans in the United States can't
01:27:23
agree on anything. They're completely
01:27:25
lined up on this being the biggest issue
01:27:27
of our time. Extremely significant. And
01:27:30
like that says a lot, too, you know?
01:27:32
>> Yeah.
01:27:32
>> To be continued.
01:27:33
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