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what on Earth have you given me that is how you can measure your nighttime erections it's unbelievable in ways it
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improves health and wellness Brian Johnson is back the billionaire who's spending $2 million a year to stay young
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forever through algorithmic Precision this is the most impactful humanitarian project ever trying to find the very
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best science in the world for how you can extend your life and how's it been
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going honestly I'm in the absolute Peak Performance of my entire life I've
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extended my lifespan over 30% reduced my age by 12 years increased muscle and strength and now 6 months of perfect
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sleep I've accomplished the best sleep score in history a demonstration of human ability because if I can do it
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everyone else can do it too every second of every day we're all trying not to die
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that's what we're doing as a society right now it's not working very well but
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if an algorithm could manage your health and wellness for you and Achieve near perfect health would you opt into that
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because we found it but what can the average person do one thing that works is really yeah it's like the super of
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superfoods there you go that is not how you're meant to have that and what comes next The Best Is Yet
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To Come Kate to Kate will you come on out so you're the first woman on earth
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to follow Brian's lifestyle that's right what's been the biggest sacrifice quick one this is really
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promise I'm willing to make you do we have a [Music] deal Brian you're now coming up on almost
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three years since you started blueprint which is your sort of anti-aging life extending longevity protocol is that
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accurate that's accurate give me a overview of the benefits you've been able to achieve in
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those three years I legitimately have never been happier in my entire life why it's like
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when you have a a series of bad nights of sleep and you you're eating poorly
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and you sleep poorly in a week or two you just normalize to that new Norm you don't realize what you've lost it just
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becomes invisible to you and then when you bounce back after a really great night's sleep and you take care of
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yourself you make the observation this is the most remarkable thing ever I wish wish I could exist like this all the
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time and I've hit that state where I'm in the absolute Peak Performance of my
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entire life I've never been as well rested I've never been as CL with uh
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greater Clarity of mind I've never uh been more calm emotionally yeah you know I'm I'm not provoked I'm not
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irritable things that I struggled with before it's true that you don't know how
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bad you felt until you feel good I can relate it's dealing with oneself is uh
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the most challenging thing this is from my experience the most challenging thing
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in my existence is understanding my own self like uh trying to map out where I'm
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self-aware and where I'm unaware where my self-awareness ends and what I've
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normalized to and can no longer see what status quo hides from me what biases I have in my brain what blind spots I have
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I'm blind to so much of reality and I just have no idea and the Brain plays these tricks on us where we believe with
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confidence that we have we're the master of our reality that we see all things we
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feel all things that if something's missing we're going to note it but really my life has become trying to find
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out what's invisible to me what are some of those psychological biases that you
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think most people still don't realize our our Illusions oh man it's like my
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most favorite topic because we are fooled into thinking that we truly [Music] understand our situation our reality and
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there's so many easy tricks one can play even something simple like if you prime
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somebody with words like uh grandma grandmother or grandfather or things that trigger thoughts of old age or
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being slow and then you ask a person to walk down the hallway to do a task those
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who've been primed with old sounding word old Rel uh Associated words and young the old Associated walk more
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slowly and the young walked qu quicker we incorpor all these things into the way we Act and the way we think and what
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we internally uh generate and we just it's beyond our awareness so for people
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that don't know what the word priming means essentially if you just say those
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words to somebody if you say grandmother or grandfather or old Associated elderly
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Associated words to somebody in studies they then walk slower I'm really interested in the behavioral stuff
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because I think most of us are governed by a set of stories that we've come to
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learn believe about ourselves that we've probably learned from false evidence
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along the way and we're now living our lives in accordance with that false instruction manual like there's a puppet
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master pulling the strings telling me that I am a entrepreneur that does a podcast in that IMA I'm unorganized and
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I'm you know whatever might be you know yeah how does one go about understanding
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that those words are governing our lives but then also more importantly getting rid of the the the power that they're
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exerting over us there's a few things I do on a daily basis to help me one I
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read a book by Gary Becker the economics of Life uh when I was uh 24 years old and he would take any given topic like
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poverty something that would be non you wouldn't think that this thing relates
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to math and economics it's just like this so social phenomena that I would have previously heard someone tell me a
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story about and he would break them down uh using economics and I thought that's
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unreal a world understood through numbers and graphs and models not through stories no one's going to tell
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me any story they're just going to lay this out and I realize that there are
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limitations of course to those things like stories are embedded in those to some extent however from the world I
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came from where it was dominant on on story to see that the world could be objectively measured understood and
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Quantified change my reality and so now when I look at a given situation I try to identify what is the numerical
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representation of this thing what is the mathematical formula what is the graph that explains this phenomena not through
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a story lens but like what actually are what systems are at play so try to parse
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through all the all the decoys that would otherwise take me down a different path and then secondarily is give me an
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example of that what's an example I mean so like uh what determines whether I
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have high quality sleep and most of the time in my previously in my life my Sleep Quality
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was something like a random I would go to sleep and I would have no idea what was impacting why I would get high
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quality sleep or not and then I could numerically back out that's what I've
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done over the past few years is what elements contribute to and how those biological processes function and then
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what happens when and you can map out the entirety of that process last time we we spoken I think you were on four
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months of perfect sleep where are you at now I completed six months of perfect sleep and what does perfect sleep mean
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for 100% sleep score and that's judged by uh my wearable by by whoop okay and
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so before I did this nobody had achieved that series of of 100% scores and many people who who have had a device like
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that for over a year have never once achieved a 100% sleep score and what I was trying to do was something akin to
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like a 4minute mile or a milia aart flying a plane across the Atlantic or you know someone climbing Everest it was
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basically a demonstration of human ability that people didn't think was possible and then once one person
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demonstrates it it opens it up for everyone else because if I can do it everyone else knows they can do it too
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and so I wanted to show that reliable high quality sleep is achievable and that if you do that it could potentially
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give you the best cognitive and emotional performance of your life do you think there's a human being an adult
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human being on planet Earth that's slept better than you for the last 6 months
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there's currently no one that has shared data that has achieved that so so is if
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we're just looking at the data alone which is not an entire representation then yeah I I've accomplished the best
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sleep score in history pretty impressive and for for just to recap so I'm I'm
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clear because I know we discussed this last time you go to bed at like 8 8:00 pm right 8:30 8:30 and your last meal of
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the day is before midday that's right 11:00 a.m. 8:30 and you're still doing
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that you're still going to bed at 8:30 every day that's right people are I feel
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like this their sleep is getting worse and worse in society with stimulants that we consume the way we live our
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lives devices destroy sleep do you think sleep is the really the foundation of daily performance
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would you would you aim at that first if you were someone that was trying to start your journey to live
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a a life more in line with your long-term goals sleep is the single most important
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thing any human does on any given day and if you look at it from a culture identity standpoint people like you and
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me who work hard at an entrepreneural Endeavor there's this mythology that if
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you sleep under your desk or you go days without sleep you're a hero that people
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will tell stories about you it's like the old like I guess Viking mythology where you you have these stories told
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about your great deeds and so it's almost like if you're a great entrepreneur and if you want to be
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respected by your peers and if you want to achieve mythology status you do that sleep deprivation
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thing and so it's built so far into our cultural identity so when people I know
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when my friends who I act as a therapist for many people who go through this thing where they they don't realize why
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they actually can't prioritize sleep and then when we dig deep is that they have
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these imaginations of the kind of person they want to become and how they want others to view them and they feel
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trapped that if they don't complete the mythology lore that they'll somehow be
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less than and they won't achieve the ranking among the social group and it's
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all backwards the the the shift that's appropriate is and it's happening
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actually right now is that the person who prioritizes sleep is going to be higher performing they'll be more Lucid
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they'll be they'll have better ideas that people who don't sleep are
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literally half dead they're actually intoxicated they're impaired physiologically physiologically they're
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impaired explain that when you are sleep deprived uh to a certain degree it is equal to being Intoxicated by alcohol
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you're inebriated and so these are the people who are leading organizations there are
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groups of a large number of individuals that are expecting them to make high quality
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decisions on behalf of the entire group and it's those very people who are not
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sleeping well and who are impaired in their judgment it's backwards and so this is it's a it's a good note to make
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and this goes back to the first conversation of what am I not aware of if you're playing the script of social
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norms of doing what people say and you're not questioning them then you're
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you're living a you're living in a p in the past of antiquated ideas that are
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hurtful to you like here's one more example I was at a conf of the day and the gentleman who was interviewing me
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said hey who here thinks that you can live forever and there was like two people were
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like who who here thinks you're going to die and like everyone's hand shot up and
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I was commenting to them that when when you read history who in a historical moment
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actually understood what was happening in that time and place you know 99% of people
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are living in the past they repeat the things that people in the past had said the future had already arrived so if
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it's like the year 1634 the future already arrived in 1634 it's just the people there living during
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that time frame don't know it they hadn't seen it yet they hadn't been
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exposed to it or maybe they exposed to it but they thought it was crazy or the person was a quack and so you're always
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people are always living in the past and so the same is true right now we are living in the past the future is already
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here the ideas and Technologies are out there maybe you and I have seen it maybe
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we can't maybe we encounter it maybe we believe it maybe we don't but it's
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definitely here right now and sleep is one of those things where the future is already here and people who are playing
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the mythology of no sleep and under desk and everything else they're living in
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the past I think a lot of people listening who do struggle with sleep do believe in the importance of sleep at
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least if you asked them they'd say they did but for whatever reason you know
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they might have sleep related difficulties they might have insomnia they might to lay in bed all night and
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just feel anxious or whatever else and it's those people that I I want to offer
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some advice to the people that um yeah they they work hard and stuff but they just struggle with sleep yeah there's a
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difference between the acknowledgement that sleep may be good for you and like you say like yeah I'm on board a good
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sleep it's an entirely different situation when you prioritize your life around that which means if somebody's
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like hey let's grab a drink sorry can my bedtime at blank or if you're if you
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find that you sleep better by having earlier meals and then you're in a social event you're like well I'm going
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to eat anyways so it forces you to make really hard decisions on your actual lifestyle which it does it pits you
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against social norms which are uncomfortable we want to fit in we want to have friends we want to be part of
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the tribe so it it does really invite but that every person who makes the gesture who does it makes the tribe
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stronger so when one one person's brave enough to say actually I'm going to hit
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the sack guys and like oh man you're you're such a wuss while you doing that
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hang out man like what's wrong with you what like they they jokingly try to belittle like it's kind of serious and
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kind of not but every time somebody does that and has the courage there's several others in that
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group who are like damn I now feel empowered that I can say something and that's the norm that's shifting but this
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it's the same social dynamics in whatever time you're in it's just understanding that and not being owned
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by it and then I guess the other the other exception potentially is parents that don't have yeah um child care
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because I mean I've when I speak to parents they always tell me they like Steve listen when you have a kid you can
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forget your no meetings before 11:00 a.m. Rule and your whoop HRV competition yeah because when that baby cries at
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3:00 a.m. you know and then at 4:00 a.m. and then 5:00 a.m. you're just going to
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be dragged through the mud with them so that's true and having raised three kids
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I can attest that that's true also you can definitely establish a sleep culture
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in your family where you can make it understandable that once the child goes to sleep at whatever age the expectation
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is they're in their bedroom for that entire duration of time absent something
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a fire or them feeling threatened for their life if it's because they lost their PL their toy car under their bed
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or it's because they can't find their blankie none of that justifies leaving
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the room and entering you know the parents bedroom so there's definitely things that can be done you're not
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entirely powerless and you can make meaningful improvements by setting the standard for the entire family that
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starts with the parents like what what hygiene do they maintain and what do they pass on to the children but it's
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not entirely hopeless based on the way you live your life now you must look at people and see a whole lot of excuses
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and a whole lack of responsibility everywhere you go every tweet you get every comment you see it must just to
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you wreak of low responsibility cuz you're someone that as you you said last
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time has kind of given up control of yourself to this blueprint which really is the essence of um discipline is
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completely surrendering to that do you think people are lacking responsibility and full of excuses about their
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lives I mean who of us are not that and like any of us who would dare say otherwise are deceiving ourselves
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and this is again a self-awareness is we all are self-deception machines and anyone who doesn't believe that is self-
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deceiving do you still self- deceive absolutely what are you still self- deceiving yourself on you suspect I
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wouldn't trust myself in my own Pantry with a bunch of junk food that's why in
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my house I can have I I've eliminated all self harm there's just nothing I can
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do because I don't trust myself it's not like I you know I feel like I've created so much discipline and
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confidence like put it in front of me and I won't do it even though I do it on
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a daily basis where I'm in social situations I don't put myself in that environment but yeah I mean
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I my goal is to find where I'm in error in thought and action constantly that's the that's the gem
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that's the treasure chest is finding out where you've missed but you can know you've missed
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somewhere I think about areas in my life where I go I know what the right to do is but for whatever reason I keep not
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doing the right thing and I keep getting the feedback yeah okay you you mess that
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up Steve and then you know weak passes and I might do the same thing again the one game we all humans play
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every human on the planet is playing is don't die every second of every day we're all trying not die not to die so
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we look both ways before we cross the street we have carbon monoxide detectors we don't seek out we don't drink poison
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you know on purpose like we we do all these things to not die now the weird thing though is I can look both ways
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before I cross the street and also be smoking a cigarette and that's just the nuances of
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the human mind but what I wanted to do with blueprint is I wanted to say okay if you really take do don't die to the
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absolute extreme I'm going to measure every biological process in my body and
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find out where every cell is aging like where basically where dying is happening
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and then I'm going to identify all those behaviors and I'm going going to try to
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eliminate every Behavior that contributes to don't dying so what is possible in 2023 for the ultimate uh
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effort of don't die on every front and that means no excuses ever for anything
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so a six-month sleep score like you basically have to say this is in stone it's not going to be changed under any
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circumstance because I'm trying to prove a point of what could be done with the
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science in this moment funny when you said about the cigarette example you'll
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cross the road you'll look both ways to make sure you don't get get hit by a
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truck but you'll be smoking the way that I interpreted that is okay we don't want
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to die and we will want to sign up to don't die but none of us want to sign up
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to don't live yeah with with living you're mapping that to like some sensorial
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pleasure like just some kind of yeah some kind of pleasure whether it's having a couple of cocktails or staying
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up late and watching Netflix or whatever it might be yeah and you're trying to
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find the things that create the stimuli that you you care about yeah I think most people want to extend their life
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but I I think they only want to extend it as long as they can live within that extension and obviously what you've
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chosen to do is to extend your life and make bigger sacrifices than the average Jo would be prepared to make yeah the
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the argument I'm making is in any other time as a homo sapien I I completely
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understand that thought process do your thing the difference right now is we're
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baby steps away from Super intelligence which means for the first time in the history of homo sapiens we may not die
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and so I'm arguing that only in this moment doesn't make sense to take these
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Extreme Measures because before you can easily say look I'm willing to trade 10
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years of end life for this version of life now reasonable understandable sure but in this moment you may miss out on
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the most spectacular existence in all of history so why why do that for some cheap thrill what's that spectacular
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existence I might miss on um It's Complicated definitely complicated to be human uh when you look at the
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capabilities of AI as it's emerging there's reason to believe that we are acquiring the ability to
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engineer reality we can physically engineer atoms molecules organisms we can create experiences with with uh certain
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chemicals we can program physical we can program visual digital realities like we
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have our fingers on the ability to engineer and program the entirety of our reality
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increasingly that opens up a an expanse of opportunity that is so far beyond our
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imagination we can't even begin to pretend like we understand okay this is something I've never mentioned before in
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not be taken as investment advice or a financial promotion what are the um concerns
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though if everybody gets older isn't there going to be like huge disparities
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in like wealth and stuff because I read some stats that the global share of wealth held by people over the age of 65
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is increasing in 2020 people age 65 and older held 35% of global wealth by 2050 they projected to hold almost 50% of
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global wealth isn't it going to be the case that if we're all living longer
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you'd imagine like think about some of the richest people in the world now they
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would just acrw more and more wealth older Generations would have more wealth and younger Generations would mhm would
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have very little there'd be this kind of disparity within Society the 250 year
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olds would all be like billionaires yeah that's just an engineering problem it's so it's public
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policy so do you believe in like a universal basic income where we'd hand money to people I mean I don't think
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it's not a reason to not want the future it's not a reason to not want longevity
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it's not a reason why we shouldn't extend lives it's not a reason why
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somebody should be deprived it's not like if you're wealthy and you're old
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you should die you know it's like it's everyone's got this opportunity for life
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and if there's a a very large disparity it's getting worse it's a public policy
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problem do you not think from like a philosophical standpoint that death is part of life I if you look at any sort
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of Animal Kingdom Death is part of the sort of natural attrition that creates new Offspring new mutations new um
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Energy new ideas I guess it has been the system of intelligence that produced us we have now taken the Reigns and we
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are now the new system of intelligence that's creating life going forward when did we take the Reigns when we
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started learning how to engineer biology when we when we this is what I spent the
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past 10 years doing is my observation was after selling brry venmo it's amazing that we have been able to create
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the capability set in the digital world you take a problem that can be solved by
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people sitting down at a computer and coding software we can as a species we're
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extraordinarily good at it millions and millions of people that can do it and solve problems very quickly if you take
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a problem in the physical world like we say the coral reef is dying around the world which is creating a major problem
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in these in oceans how do you make a coral reef that is more robust to heat or to Big you know variations you need
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to have the same programmability of programming of building a new coral reef that can do that sort of thing if that's
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a ano an approach to the problem we need to have those abilities and so the goal
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I had was we need this foundational Tech techology so that any problem in the physical world whether it be our health
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the health of the oceans anything you know building a Global biological immune system we need to have these physical
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abilities and so once you have that you can program physical reality including uh conscious States including the Earth
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Health including our health and wellness All Things become possibilities do are you talking about Kel uh no my I had a
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venture fund okay yeah what is Kel what are you doing with kernel kernel is a a way for us to use science and data to
00:27:02
build our best cognitive existence so like for example it's easy for each of
00:27:06
us to to get on a scale and see our weight and when we see weight is climbing very quickly uh you know we
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think that's not a good situation because that leads to bad Health outcomes I don't feel great and so
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there's like a a it's a good feedback mechanism for how am I doing with my
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health with my weight we don't have the same equivalent for our brains you can
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get MRI or you can get a pet scan they're great but they're hard to get they are expensive uh it's very
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laborious to actually do it we need to be able to acquire information about our brains as easy as it is to step on a
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scale and get our weight and that's what we built a kernel is the bike helmet you
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put it on your head and you find out important information about your brain I had my brain scanned last week have you
00:27:50
seen your brain of course you've seen your brain yeah did you find out anything about your brain uh I did well
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I wanted to demonstrate that you could ask a question what happens when and then take a given thing about the brain
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like what happens when I do a psychedelic what happens when I play a game what happens when I don't sleep
00:28:04
well what happens when and all the things we do that affects our brain and in this case I was a pilot participant
00:28:10
for ketamine so we run a 15 person ketamine study ketamine is a anesthetic also used to tranquilize
00:28:17
horses also a party drug and so I received a dose of in of ketamine in my arm and then I was in that experience
00:28:25
for 45 minutes and what we saw was interesting that I had my brain measured for 10 minutes a day for 5 days before
00:28:30
during the camine experience then five then uh 14 days afterwards and I think those the most interesting thing is my
00:28:37
brain patterns like if you think about the patterns like imagine you're looking
00:28:40
at Planet Earth and there's airports all over the Earth and you're seeing traffic
00:28:44
patterns between each airport so between Tokyo and New York there's a lot of
00:28:47
traffic London New York a lot of traffic but between you know smaller cities you
00:28:50
have just a few planes here and there there's big traffic patterns in our brains of where activity is happening
00:28:56
and those patterns tell you things about yourself like sounds like you had some analysis done and when I did K when I
00:29:02
did the five days of measurement my patterns of my brain were stable every single day they were the same the same
00:29:08
traffic from the same place to and from and then when I did ketamine it scrambled all of my
00:29:15
patterns it's like you took the globe and you just like remapped where all the
00:29:20
airports were and like okay Planes start flying and then over on like day three four my pattern started forming again
00:29:29
back in a similar way and so there was that two to like one to 3 Day therapeutic window where I was very open
00:29:37
to new pattern creation and it was there's this joke among my colleagues where we were walking from one meeting
00:29:43
to another and there was a wall that was in front of us and I it was day two after I took ketamine and I thought I'm
00:29:49
going to jump over the wall like that seems like a fun idea why not so I just spontaneously jumped over the wall and
00:29:55
then all my colleagues were like what are you doing we're in a work environment we don't jump over walls and
00:30:02
I hadn't thought about it in that frame but I wonder if in that moment I was
00:30:06
open to doing something different and unique that I normally wouldn't have done because I had this opening but it
00:30:10
was cool to see my patterns where they were how they changed and how they reformed in some
00:30:16
kind of window that opened up as how I could remap my own experience I mean that's probably a pretty compelling case
00:30:22
for psychedelics as it relates to mental health and you know if we think of some
00:30:26
mental disorders as being stuck in patterns patterns of thinking patterns of belief patterns of
00:30:32
behavior um there's been quite incredible clinical studies done to show the impact that something like
00:30:39
psilocybin or Iain can have on addiction or depression what's your view on psychedelics they're powerful yeah and I
00:30:48
hope that konel accelerates their progress because most of the the measurements are done through
00:30:55
questionnaires you're asking the person how they felt how they felt and their
00:31:00
perspective but we know that our subjective experiences are not terribly reliable like when I after I had
00:31:05
ketamine if I were to use words to explain what I experience I don't know if I'm asked on day three how I felt in
00:31:11
day one it's hard to remember now you can journal and try to make uh more detailed notes but it's really hard to
00:31:18
subjectively account for your brain and so having a a a system that tracks the data removes some of that challenge and
00:31:27
could help Usher in uh psychedelics for uh much broader adoption much faster because you've got data to support what
00:31:34
you're trying to demonstrate have you tried all the psychedelics um I asker I've had some
00:31:45
experiences mushrooms I've done mushrooms what' you think really interesting experience did
00:31:53
it did it change your your opinion or your perspective of your own mind yes yes um
00:32:06
I was overseas I think I was in Peru or something and I was at a mushroom ceremony whatever and i' taken the
00:32:14
treatment that the Sharman or whatever had given me and I didn't think it was
00:32:18
working so I went over and sat down on my laptop yeah really [ __ ] bad idea and
00:32:23
I for whatever reason and this is so on me I clicked on like Netflix because everyone was over there and they were
00:32:28
all having their experience I thought I'll just I'll just watch something on
00:32:31
Netflix and I don't watch I didn't even watch Netflix I clicked something on
00:32:34
Netflix and as I'm watching it it's like some I don't know some reality TV thing
00:32:41
and it just becomes really apparent to me that these people's values that I'm
00:32:44
watching are like really bad they're all like bitching about each other and they're all being mean to each other and
00:32:49
at that very moment the world started to just Spin and shake and I put the laptop
00:32:53
away and went and joined the gang wrote about 35 notes of um of handwriting again I never write with
00:32:59
my hands about connection and in that moment I learned that like my perception on reality is so
00:33:04
fragile and so what what do I believe you know if if this experience that I'm
00:33:09
having with you now this perception of reality is that fragile that one little capsule that I eat can just shake it all
00:33:16
then Jesus is I can't trust much can I I love that so much that's so beautiful
00:33:28
like what do we really know about anything and like you said like this one little plant and you eat it you ingest
00:33:39
it and then somehow your reality is absolutely transformed into something that you never imagined was
00:33:46
possible but then you come right back you do and this is also this is the the frame around like don't die so I
00:33:53
understand before our time and place right now like in the 19th century sure do your thing because you're going to
00:34:00
die and that's fine but right now I guess with your your mushroom experience do you feel open to the
00:34:10
idea that we may acquire new capabilities of conscious experience creation that could make your reality
00:34:19
more interesting and more worthwhile like whatever than anything you could ever imagine yes but also could not sure cuz
00:34:28
I just don't know so again it goes back to like it's hard for people to bet on
00:34:33
uncertainty in their lives yes you know people don't who wants to bet on I don't
00:34:38
know interesting are you basically impartial I'm kind of good with what life's like now I think life's quite
00:34:46
cool now I think I think I still feel like I'm bending Reality by the way that I like
00:34:52
live my life and the things I've achieved and I still feel like I've got
00:34:55
more Mountains to climb in my life and higher Peaks to see so you see what I'm saying yeah so it's
00:35:03
not really about a a dissatisfaction so much now as the driver it's that the
00:35:08
possibilities are a motivator that you if you say um there just the possibility some something you've not experienced a
00:35:19
new reality you could experience like some we're walking into the Cradle of super
00:35:25
intelligence okay so let's define super intelligence just in case someone's lost
00:35:28
us along the way okay when you say super intelligence you're talking about like
00:35:33
artificial intelligence and computers that are you know infinitely more intelligent
00:35:38
than we are and how we can interface with that intelligence to bring make our lives and our decisions and our
00:35:43
capabilities better that's right like the computational Intelligence on near
00:35:50
future timelines are going to be far superior to our form of intelligence like how and
00:35:57
when and what forms no one knows but if you look at the trajectory of the speed it's fast it's it's faster than our
00:36:05
minds can comprehend and so if we whatever comparison you want to make like whether you know an ant relative to
00:36:11
us or whatever the version is or homoerectus to us I don't we don't know
00:36:17
those details on what their experience is but if if you just try to like think about the scale of intelligence and what
00:36:23
that experience may be like even though we don't know but you your response is
00:36:28
uh informative for me I have a bias and this goes back to my blindness I think this idea of walking
00:36:36
into the Cradle of artificial super intelligence and the ability to engineer all of
00:36:42
reality is the coolest opportunity maybe in the known Galaxy what's the most compelling argument
00:36:51
you've heard against your do not die position the one that troubles you the most I'm entirely unconvinced by any
00:37:01
argument that I've ever heard about it are you entirely convinced by the Do Not Die argument I'm convinced uh
00:37:10
through the thought experiment I did if I if I try to transport myself to the 25th
00:37:16
Century and of course they have a sober a detached cold soberness objective soberness looking back at the 21st
00:37:25
century that we don't just like we look back in history and we can see with Clarity what we're so caught up in this
00:37:31
moment we're blinded by so many of these realities and they would look back I'm
00:37:36
convinced by my thought experiment that they look back and be like of course in the early 21st century Homo sapiens
00:37:42
figured out that they had developed the technology to continually expand their life and
00:37:49
that like the homo sapian culture shifted to the preservation of life whereas right now we're all on the death
00:37:58
track and then we play all the fun games along the death track but it's we just
00:38:03
you have to shift the entire Zeitgeist where we we do the exact opposite of what we're doing today in
00:38:08
instead of embracing and celebrating death rituals we move entirely to life extension rituals do you think like
00:38:15
living forever is possible or even reverse reversing age yeah I mean I so basically with all the arguments I come
00:38:22
down to this idea uh this is a kin to us to us interviewing Homo rectus a million years
00:38:31
ago and asking Homo rectus to make observations on what it's going to be like to be Homo sapiens a million years
00:38:40
later have our kind of cognition have our technology Homo rectus would have nothing like almost nothing useful to
00:38:50
say do we care what they want or don't want what they're scared of do we value
00:38:55
it in any way like it's interesting from just an observational perspective but do
00:39:00
we really think that Homo rectus has wisdom of some sort that would allow us to um yeah to step into this existence
00:39:10
that's where I think we're at now is like we're basically we're sufficiently primitive
00:39:15
in our thought I don't believe in anything we say as it relates to the to the Future because the intelligence
00:39:22
we're walking into is so far superior to ours why would we even begin to imagine that we can express an
00:39:30
opinion that is Meaningful do you see it almost like we're walking into a different species of human entirely I
00:39:37
mean unquestionably that's happening one of the really interesting things that's
00:39:40
going on is this thing called crisper genetic engineering what is what is that crisper
00:39:48
genetic engineering I know you did um you did some kind of DNA therapy didn't
00:39:52
you I did I did my first gene therapy gene therapy yeah yeah what is what is all of that and what's the promise that
00:39:58
it holds for us crisper genetic engineering and what was your gene therapy yeah currently there's a ceiling
00:40:03
on human lifespan like 120 or so that if you if you uh live a life a certain way
00:40:09
and you're given a genetic Lottery then you can do that but to punch through 120
00:40:14
is very difficult through lifestyle and diet and exercise and so to to Really punch through this ceiling you need to
00:40:22
start working at the genetic level and so whether you're doing there's gene
00:40:26
therapy whether you're doing crisper there's a variety of ways you can start
00:40:31
modifying uh your genetic code and this has the power or potential to punch through the ceiling so explain that to
00:40:40
an idiot gene therapy is injecting genes into you someone else's genes genes that
00:40:46
have been made in a laboratory or yeah so this one is I just got two injections on either side in my obliques here and
00:40:56
uh what it does is it expresses the protein full Statin and so basically I before I have a certain level I'm like
00:41:05
like eight or nine and once you get the therapy you're higher like 20s 30s 40s
00:41:10
and so it's just increasing it's increasing the amount of f Statin in my
00:41:13
body and so like one way to understand this is when you work out M Statin um lessens the amount of muscle growth that
00:41:23
can happen F Statin suppresses M Statin so you have more muscle mass but it has a whole bunch of other effects as well
00:41:29
this gene therapy didn't change my actual genes it just increases the expression of f Statin in my body and
00:41:37
how do you know if it works uh measure them so yeah I do routine well so there's a few things we're doing uh
00:41:43
we're measuring this via my blood what are my full stat levels before and after
00:41:47
and then we're also measuring my body with MRI and so because I'm the most
00:41:50
measured person in history we have this interesting vantage point where we can see across my entire body body from my
00:41:57
muscle and my um my fat and Bone and speed and DNA methylation patterns from my speed of Aging to my brain health
00:42:05
like working at hundreds and hundreds of data points to see what effect it has and have you found an effect yet uh our
00:42:12
first results are coming back next week someone like me who is you know on the High Street per se what are the
00:42:19
supplements that are on the High Street that that do actually work for anti-aging cuz people talk about NAD
00:42:25
plus and stuff there's all these clinics now popping up all over London where you can sit in the
00:42:29
chair for 2 hours and have the little drip in your arm and stuff and I did it once um cuz my friend had opened a a
00:42:35
place and I had a very hot chest yeah like a burning feeling in my chest I don't know if it's done anything for me
00:42:41
so I've just got it goes back to what I said earlier you just got to kind of
00:42:44
believe in it or not like a religion yeah yeah I mean it's best to measure it
00:42:49
so you're trying to change your intracellular NAD I'm sure other people have done measured it though so does it
00:42:56
work uh the the drips don't the drips don't work you you want sustained levels
00:43:03
of NAD and so we yeah so I mean we extensively measure my Ned levels and we've tested nmn we've tested NR we've
00:43:10
looked at all the different modalities you want sustained levels so my levels when I first started I think they were
00:43:17
equivalent of something like 47 years of age and now they're reliably age 18 like
00:43:23
I have that much I have age 18 levels of NAD intracellular NAD and we dialed that
00:43:29
dosage in because I was able to measure it and the the challenge of course is when you do these things haphazardly get
00:43:35
a drip or whatever it's what you're saying it's a story it's a market clever
00:43:41
marketing it's happy faces it's what your friends are doing but it's not
00:43:44
based on any reality you need to see it working in your body otherwise you know be careful and when you're doing it so
00:43:52
the only reason it doesn't work is because it's not sustained but it would
00:43:55
work if it was sustained so if I did that every week then it would work you also have to consider the halflife okay
00:44:02
so I I don't know all the data on the drips I know the data much better on nmn
00:44:05
and NR but those things then you take them orally yeah orally every day twice a day yeah twice a day and those things
00:44:12
work yeah yeah they reliably maintain my NAD My IC NAD levels uh at a 18-year old
00:44:20
level what are some of those big um anti-aging Therapies or businesses or supplements that most
00:44:29
people have just thrown themselves into or habits in terms of longevity habits that are just a load of BS I mean most
00:44:39
everything really yeah yeah give me some examples we I mean everything listed on the the
00:44:46
blueprint website is three years of our effort to try to figure out what has scientific evidence
00:44:54
what can we do in me and measure it and then communicate that out yeah cuz I I want to make sure I avoid false
00:45:01
advertising right I got sucker down to do that Bloody NAD drip thinking I was going to be an 18-year-old that's right
00:45:05
so I don't want to do that again what do I need to avoid I mean for example one
00:45:09
thing that works is extra virgin olive oil well here's one I brought with me
00:45:14
out here yeah so you sent me this um I did I sent you that in the post yeah I mean so
00:45:20
we we tried to for anybody that can't see I've got a a bottle of extra virgin olive oil that
00:45:27
Brian had sent me about a month ago it says on the front blueprint Brian Johnson Ultra Premium extra virgin olive
00:45:34
oil completely all Black Bottle it looks like a wine bottle oh on the back of it
00:45:38
it says with the goal of slowing his speed of Aging Brian Johnson allocates 15% of his precise daily car calorific
00:45:47
budget to this extra virgin olive oil it is rich in polyphenols which studies show can potentially Safeguard
00:45:55
against against various cancers cardiovascular diseases diabetes and neurodegenerative conditions by
00:46:01
providing better reduction of oxidized LDL than regular Evo extravaginal olive oil
00:46:09
interesting so that's the question you know if you what things can I do in my life that
00:46:15
are easy and actionable and have a high impact extra verion olive oil is very close to number one really MH why
00:46:23
because of all the things it says on the back yeah when you there you go that's not how you're meant to have
00:46:30
that it's spicy yeah you put some pepper in there it that's what premium olive
00:46:36
oil tastes like it's it's it's good oil it's good virgin olive oil but nobody
00:46:43
should it's not nice to drink extra oh it feels quite it's very um it's quite thick and
00:46:49
smooth mhm interesting yeah peppery and smooth if you look at the evidence we we just
00:46:56
shared about what this does it's unbelievable uh in the ways it improves health and wellness it's better than
00:47:05
OIC really it is okay so explain what exemp exemp is that's the diabetes drug
00:47:11
that people using to lose weight yeah so like OIC is like the fire alarm and so for example there's a study
00:47:20
where people lost 5.2 lbs uh taking Evo consuming Evo for 9 weeks in addition to what they're
00:47:30
currently eating yeah yep and when you say taking what do you mean just sprinkling on top of my food or yeah the
00:47:37
I think the quantity for that study was I think uh 45 ml daily or or something like that it's between 45 and between 30
00:47:46
and 60 MLS daily but there's things for example like it it uh reduces by over
00:47:52
60% uh invasive breast cancer it reduces your your uh blood sugar levels by 60% post a Mill and your oxidize LDL levels
00:48:04
these are the this is the bad thing your body that's causing damage by 80% post a
00:48:07
mill so I have a tablespoon with every single mill and it's yeah it's like the
00:48:14
super of superfoods and the problem is most of the olive oil in the world does not meet
00:48:19
the quality thresholds to make it useful so you think you're consuming olive oil
00:48:24
that's actually doing the have the health benefits if it doesn't meet very
00:48:27
specific criteria it won't do it for you so where do we get it this is what I
00:48:30
tried this is why I solved it because like we basically trying to find a olive oil that you can verify meets the specs
00:48:39
is very challenging so we we built a supply chain across both hemispheres to acquire the best olive oil in the world
00:48:47
to make it just easy you can trust it the data is shared and the health benefits are um supported by
00:48:53
evidence and this is available online mhm yeah everyone can buy this yeah it's exciting but that's an easy
00:49:01
one to do go to bed on time and drink your olive oil you've got something down
00:49:05
there on the floor but you would tell me what it was what is it yeah I brought you two things today
00:49:10
okay one I I brought you a test okay what is it this test okay that's the test it's your speed of Aging test oh
00:49:17
[ __ ] so you should everybody should know three things you know how much you weigh
00:49:24
how fast you're aging mhm and the duration of your nighttime erections is that what the other thing
00:49:32
that's the other advice oh [ __ ] so basically y so both these are going to give
00:49:39
you a good Baseline with where you're at in life so how do I how do I do how do I do
00:49:46
this I I can admin wait yeah I can administer that test for you if you want so I what it requires is prick your
00:49:54
finger yeah get get a little blood yeah put it on the card yeah and then we'll
00:49:59
send it to the processing to the to the um the center where they're going to
00:50:04
process it you'll get your results back and it will tell you how fast your aging
00:50:09
clock is internally how does it know that from a prick of blood uh because your body
00:50:15
leaves chemical signatures that reveal the data okay and then I can reverse that presumably yes you yes exactly so
00:50:24
if you let's you get a result back and let's just say it's one so you're aging
00:50:29
like a normal person would average person you could potentially slow your speed of Aging to 6 which means while
00:50:39
all of your friends are aging at a normal rate you would get September October November and December for free
00:50:45
I'd love that yeah how olive oil good sleep exercise a good diet don't smoke basic stuff basic stuff
00:50:55
and what is this other contraption that you that is how you can measure your nighttime
00:51:02
directions I mean where am I going to put that yeah so you you put it on your shaft and just gently yeah there you go
00:51:11
gently pull that and so you put there you go put on the mic yeah mine's a little bit bigger and
00:51:19
he do have you got a bigger one yep and then you put it on the on the base and you put on and you you think
00:51:29
you presume that it's going to be an irritation it's going to bother you
00:51:33
you're going to feel it once you put it on and you go to sleep you can't feel it
00:51:36
you don't what does it like vibrate in the night or something so yeah no there's no vibration but you you have
00:51:43
erections throughout the night yeah and when you become erect the expansion of your penis will be captured by that
00:51:52
device and it will show how many erections you had and for what duration and what strength
00:51:59
and all I've got you so you put your you put your you go to sleep you put your
00:52:04
penis inside it like like that and then when you have an erection during the night it'll expand and log it yes
00:52:12
and it'll keep logging every time you have an erection in the night that's
00:52:15
right and then will tell you you had four erections tonight that during that duration of sleep they were 47 minutes
00:52:21
31 minutes 55 minutes and whatever and of this strength of this quality erection type and then this data it's
00:52:28
really important because it represents psychological Health Sexual Health uh cardiovascular health is basically
00:52:34
people are not familiar you can go to the gym and build big biceps or whatever but people are not familiar that
00:52:40
nighttime erections are actually a meaningful Health indicator and so you've been me measuring your nighttime
00:52:45
erections and what have you found out and have have you been able to improve it yeah my my average right now is 2
00:52:50
hours and 12 minutes so you're wrecked at night for 2 hours and 12 minutes yes
00:52:57
what are you dreaming about for so the thing is we're not aware of our erections most the
00:53:03
time and so uh my my current erection amount is equal to roughly my chronological age for me to be equal to
00:53:11
an 18-year-old I would need 3 hours and 30 minutes interesting of nighttime erection so that's the goal we're trying
00:53:17
to achieve is is we're basically I mean no one's ever done this before we're
00:53:20
trying to figure out can you improve nighttime erection you put this on your penis
00:53:26
every night no just in I'll do it three to five days in a row so most most nights of the week you'll put this on
00:53:35
your penis I'm sorry so I'll do for example in like oh okay like for one
00:53:39
month in like a month or two months I'll do like three to five and it depends on
00:53:43
what therapies we're doing and so what I coupled up with that is uh we're trying
00:53:49
to come on Brian grow out I'm just playing with it it's just interesting yeah uh I coupled this up
00:53:59
with shock focused shock wave therapy and so there's this technology you have a wand and you sit in a chair
00:54:09
and then the the technician uses the wand and basically shocks your penis through through the acoustic
00:54:17
technology and it's like it does the same thing as workouts doing where you're creating micro injuries so then
00:54:24
it rebuilds and so this technology is used for all over the entire body if you're trying to
00:54:30
heal an ACL or you're trying to rejuvenate the knees the joints shoulders so it's a technology that has
00:54:37
a broad range of applications it's also used for retile dysfunction so while my
00:54:41
scores are I have no sexual dysfunction I'm I score perfect in every category
00:54:47
we're wondering if you take this therapy this Focus shock wave therapy and if it
00:54:51
will just basically rejuvenate the penis and increase nighttime erections is there any early evidence that that's
00:54:57
working uh yes I've been shocked by the results I'm now two months in it's my subjective experience
00:55:07
is it's as if my penis has gotten like 15 years younger so we're still in the early
00:55:16
stages we still need to measure we need Data before we're going to believe anything
00:55:21
subjectively I'm in when you say when you say shock do you mean a painful shock or is it like a you know like a
00:55:29
the kind of shock you you'd pay for like a tell me more is it like a nice feeling is it like a vibration or
00:55:36
is it like a uh is it painful it's painful yeah you you need to be focused uh like you need to do pain management
00:55:44
yeah it's it's uh it's like uh maybe a seven out of 10 but then once you get to
00:55:50
the tip it's like oh no they got suck the whole thing yeah it's like a n out
00:55:55
of 10 because you the tip you have improved sensitivity so it generates in addition to what we're trying to do with
00:56:02
the nighttime erections it also improves um erection strength and orgasm pleasurability so it has all kinds of
00:56:08
benefits I'm trying to figure out physiologically what's going on there so
00:56:11
you shock the penis you give a big electric shock to the penis and then it rebuilds like a muscle would yes and
00:56:19
that causes it to be more effective going forward yeah yeah it's it's a yeah
00:56:25
acoustic technology so it's not like an electrical shock I this kind of brings I guess this
00:56:29
brings me in part to the thing you use on your abs the 20K setup machine thing I I when I was younger in my house I
00:56:37
think my mom bought it in a catalog she had one of those machines that she put on her abdomen and it gave her an
00:56:42
electric shock like and it like kind of vibrated and I just always thought it was BS yeah I thought the whole industry
00:56:48
was just BS people feel like it's doing something so they think they're going to
00:56:52
get abs but you've got like a really extensive impressive machine that does a
00:56:57
similar thing mhm yeah using electromagnetic uh frequency yeah and it works it does how' you know uh We've
00:57:03
looked at it with MRI and the muscles are being like broken down and regenerated from the
00:57:08
electric shock yeah yeah we cheating um so you've got have you got a six-pack I suppose it's defined to some
00:57:20
extent you're going to have to show us with your permission of course we don't
00:57:25
force people to undress on this show yeah yeah yeah I mean I don't know like yeah you've got yeah yeah I won't
00:57:33
show mine not right now I've been in I showed you mine yeah but it's it's you've been doing this for three
00:57:41
years it's fine yeah I'm new I'm going to work my way up with the penis shock
00:57:44
thing and then I'll but can can you imagine being in a conversation and everyone else knows their erection the
00:57:51
night time erections and you don't like can you imagine the embarrassment You'
00:57:54
feel no I can't imagine no one I know knows how long they're I'm playing I'm playing I I'm
00:58:05
playing because it's like it's of course it's a novel idea nobody measures their
00:58:09
erection so it's not part of a social Norm but you can imagine the humor of you finding someone having a a casual
00:58:16
conversation of like yeah I had a really great night sleep last night new Peak record on erection duration and and
00:58:21
Direction like no it's going to become a thing I know it is because sexual health
00:58:25
and sexlessness in relationships and libido are actually a really big Topic at the moment for a lot of people I I've
00:58:31
been in relationships where there's been libido issues and things like that and
00:58:34
I've got friends that have got libido issues and sexual health issues and things like that so it we we joke about
00:58:40
it but there it's not a joke for a lot of people and it can lead to relationships breaking down and families
00:58:46
breaking down and yeah so I don't I do think it's a serious topic and if it
00:58:51
this therapy can help people get get their erections back and bring their sex life back then that's an amazing thing
00:58:58
yeah the yeah the testimonials of the technology are pretty compelling uh people with
00:59:03
Ed that it's it's causing a significant problem of their own self-confidence of
00:59:09
their Partners it's a big deal like when when you can't get erect it's a very big
00:59:15
problem your penis is 15 years younger you believe I mean this is a a subjective assessment it's just like you
00:59:21
know um as you age your body becomes less firm and more saggy right across muscle skin penis like you just lose
00:59:32
structure across your entire body and it's improved the structure of my penis
00:59:39
your hair looks like it's changed as well since we last spoke you look like you've got a fuller head of
00:59:45
hair what's what's been going on there the the protol I have is I do uh platelet rich plasma every 30 to 60 days
00:59:54
so that that is the process where you draw blood from a vein you spin it up and you separate the blood from the
01:00:00
plasma you take the plasma and then we add a cell and dutasteride so it's a concoction of plasma AEL dutasteride and
01:00:13
it's a total volume of between 13 15 milliliters and then it's injected across the entire head or in the areas
01:00:21
that would be balding and then I also do light therapy daily which we spoke about
01:00:27
uh wear that cap for 6 minutes and then I have a nightly concoction that includes a few things like moox
01:00:35
minoxidil and a few others this is all on my website so the the recipe the protocol it's all there for everybody
01:00:43
but yeah I mean I I started losing my hair in my early 30s and it's it's
01:00:49
really hard to as a I mean with my genetics it's very very hard for me to maintain hair so I've had to work very
01:00:55
hard at it what is hair loss anyway why does our hair recede what's going on it
01:01:01
and it doesn't happen in women yeah I know you typically uh yeah it's it's really quite
01:01:08
annoying that it's such a big problem I wish I didn't have to pay attention to it as much as I
01:01:15
do why uh just requires constant attention and it's a the technology is not that great yet you
01:01:27
know like you're you're basically trying to slow the process you're trying to
01:01:31
improve follicle strength you're trying to prevent future damage but it's not
01:01:35
like something like like a gene therapy where I with two injections I your levels go up three or 4X my the
01:01:43
production of that critical uh biochemical in my body uh it's not the case there now there's
01:01:50
technology people are working on for cloning so you take a few of your follicles you clone that and you re you
01:01:55
put them in so basically like doing a a hair transplant but you're cloning you're doing your own your own hair so
01:02:00
there's other technologies that are emergent that are promising they it's
01:02:03
not a market yet so yeah it's it's hard and it's like being as a man being bald
01:02:09
is a meaningful thing right like it's a significant psychological situation so
01:02:14
if you if you TI through the issues of be of like a man would really struggle with psychologically you know being bald
01:02:21
not being able to have erections like those those are like two of your top five things and so is you know I hope
01:02:29
that the things I talk about publicly help break the stigma around it so that uh people feel hope they can do
01:02:39
something about it they don't have to hide it it's it's challenging and it's
01:02:43
heavy to deal with it what do you think about air quality I've been thinking a
01:02:46
lot about this I had James Nester on this podcast he was talking to me about the harm of like in room CO2 and stuff
01:02:52
like that yeah I agree uh my house is I have devices around the entire house measuring those things every moment of
01:03:01
every day and I have air filters in every room and so the qu air quality in my house is pristine in Los Angeles the
01:03:08
air quality is not great and so I typically will avoid significant outdoor activities on days where the air quality
01:03:15
is particularly bad but I'm always aware of it so I have monitors in my house
01:03:19
that tell me the outdoor air quality and the indoor air quality in every room what's the harm that you're trying to
01:03:24
avoid uh it's damaging there's like the the uh the P2 2.5 uh there's a few things that are
01:03:32
very damaging and they can get lodged for example in your lungs and it's very
01:03:35
hard to get it out so there's a lot of sustained damage that's just hard to
01:03:40
undo Kate yes Kate too is that her name to Kate too Kate will you come on out Kate is a 27 year-old former fashion
01:03:51
strategist and is Brian's Chief marketing officer M but she's also the first woman to ever sign up and follow
01:03:59
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you uh Kate had the pioneering spirit that helped give birth to blueprint we we began working together
01:06:03
at kernel uh we were focused on measuring the brain and how humans could co-evolve with AI and we started talking
01:06:12
about the possibilities of what blueprint could be we were the project was underway and we were trying to
01:06:16
figure out how we could communicate this and Kate saw the potential immediately and has been building this with me for
01:06:24
several years why did you decide to work with Brian and why did you decide to develop
01:06:31
blueprint I grew up in a very small town with a very small field of view and as I
01:06:37
got more experience in the world that view opened farther and further and I was in New York and I was working in
01:06:43
fashion at the time and I was sitting in a cafe and I'd spent the year learning
01:06:47
about AI coming to mainstream and what how is the human species going to deal with this and I felt very strongly the
01:06:54
only way to perceive forward as a species would be to latch ourselves onto Ai and to merge with AI in some way and
01:07:02
so I was in this position where I had all of this energy and I was like I want to throw it out there into the world I
01:07:08
don't want to do anything my own and there weren't many people talking about
01:07:11
this as a problem and one day I was sitting in a cafe and I got an email in my inbox from Singularity University and
01:07:17
it included a quote from this man Brian Johnson back in 2016 and it it referenced merging with AI and I thought
01:07:24
that's the person that I want to work with and throw my energy toward and so I
01:07:31
reached out to him and across like every medium uh so literally his medium articles email social media and I never
01:07:38
heard back and then year after year I just kept pinging him and pinging him and then
01:07:43
eventually I I moved out to LA to work with Brian and what did you do for Brian you say what what with Brian I
01:07:51
intentionally keep it very vague cuz we do everything together we are two PS in a pod and um from the very beginning you
01:07:58
know both at konel and at blueprint we've just done anything and everything that needs to be done my background is
01:08:05
creative so I I lean more toward that side of thing so the marketing and and just General brand design that kind of
01:08:11
stuff but yeah and you've become the first woman to follow the blueprint protocol that's right yes I remember
01:08:17
hearing about the blueprint protocol um last time we had this conversation and one of the things that stood out to me
01:08:23
is the amount of sacrifice MH that goes into living in line with it mhm things like getting up at a certain time and
01:08:31
then going to sleep at a certain time and things that you eat are you following all of that yes I'm definitely
01:08:38
not as extensive as Brian is because I've just started the protocol but that
01:08:42
was a big decision factor for both of us when we're considering this one is it is
01:08:47
incredibly laborious on our team to bring up another person um but not only that it means complet completely
01:08:54
changing my lifestyle and so when we were contemplating doing this decision I really gave it a lot of serious thought
01:08:59
because I know that the public are going to follow along you know it's a really
01:09:02
big decision for my life it's a big decision for our team and for the resources that get get put put behind it
01:09:07
and so early on we decided that I was going to do a 30-day trial before we made any of this public to make sure
01:09:12
that am I capable am I willing is this something I actually want to take on and so yeah I meant completely uh redefining
01:09:19
what my life and lifestyle is and where are we at now with that 30day trial yes so I've done my 30-day trial and I'm on
01:09:26
about day 90 of blueprint so I successfully did my first 30 days which was yeah really really difficult and
01:09:33
you're day 90 now yes how long are you going to do it for that's the thing it's
01:09:37
an algorithm so that was definitely something I was conscious of this is maybe one of the last decisions I really
01:09:43
made because I was deciding to walk into the unknown like I didn't know exactly
01:09:48
how many pills I'd be taking what my protocol would be how many blood drawers
01:09:51
would I be going into it was really am I okay revoking my conscious mind from making this decision making and stepping
01:09:58
into the unknown so what does your life look like now on a day-to-day basis so I
01:10:03
so this is this was establishing you know the first 30 days was really just the trial and so um I'm we're still in
01:10:09
the process of figuring out you know what I'm we're still in the process of
01:10:13
personalizing essentially to to my data but what I do is I try and get 100% sleep every single night I do perfect
01:10:20
nutrition so I eat the same thing as Brian every single day so it's 1,7 100 calories perfectly you know um mapped
01:10:26
out and then I take over 60 supplements every single day and I I I aim to get a certain amount of um cardio and strength
01:10:35
training and exercise in every week and how's it been going it it was really
01:10:40
difficult it was much more difficult than I expected it to be why um the process of doing blueprint is
01:10:49
really about uh measurement intervention and measurement again so so when we did
01:10:54
my Baseline measurements there were a couple things that became apparent one is that people observe me from the
01:10:59
outside and this is how I observe myself as well so it's not a commment other
01:11:02
people but that if things look okay from the outside things must be okay on the inside too and so I had a lot of people
01:11:08
like saying to me oh you Sur must be healthy because you know you you look healthy so you must be fine my Baseline
01:11:15
Fitness testing for example put me on like an average of like age 60 or age 70 just based on my flexibility my strength
01:11:22
um my you know cardiovascular health all those kinds of things um and then my blood work for example you know a few
01:11:31
things came back off which is to be expected like my vitamin D and my zinc which is easy to fix but then my
01:11:35
oxidized LDL came back high which is extremely concerning because I'm only 27
01:11:39
years old and these are the kinds of um flags that you see early on that can lead to things like stroke or you know a
01:11:46
buildup in your arteries that can lead to really serious health consequences so there were a couple things in those like
01:11:51
Baseline tests for example that had a red flag then throughout the process I would say that it's because
01:12:00
all of a sudden you're given this huge task of looking after yourself to Perfection you come face to face with
01:12:06
the things that are in the way of your better of living a better life so your self-destructive Tendencies and so for
01:12:13
me like day one I had like three different exential crisis like moments you know where my whole life crumbled
01:12:20
down because you come face to face with things that are in your way that you had
01:12:24
never had to deal with before like so you know Brian talks about evening Brian the Brian that you know over at between
01:12:31
500 and 7:00 p.m. or 10: p.m. um every night for me it was priority Kate I didn't realize before I did
01:12:38
blueprint that my whole life has been structured around helping other people and never focusing on myself it was like
01:12:47
I was completely blind to the fact that any opportunity I get I would deflect for myself and be like how are you doing
01:12:51
what can I do for you you know because I I realized that I didn't have a relationship with self
01:12:57
where if other people couldn't see it I just neglected it so in like little things it meant that I would schedule
01:13:04
meetings back to back and I wouldn't make time to you know use the restroom or eat or have proper sleep um and then
01:13:11
10: p.m. would roll around and I'd finish work and the only thing that was left open was McDonald's and so that's
01:13:15
what I would eat for dinner um or you know if a friend if I committed to hang out with him on a weekend there was no
01:13:20
way I was going to you know say that I can't do that anymore just to get enough
01:13:25
sleep because you know ultimately I cared more about the other people's perceptions than my my own actual
01:13:30
well-being people pleas are yes people please are big time and to do blueprint it's sounds like it's the antithesis of
01:13:37
people pleasing yeah I would say so um and it's kind of like that you know Brian references this but the the
01:13:45
airplane example where you want to put your own mask on before you can help others so you know in this process I've
01:13:50
slowly learned that I am functioning better and I can actually do more of that people pleasing in a weird way
01:13:56
anyway by looking after myself first what what have been the although it's just been 90 days what
01:14:03
have you noticed changes so as far as actual like results and data it was it was very um straight forward everything
01:14:10
improved pretty much across the board um so my my restorative sleep increased by
01:14:15
19% in 30 days my flexibility improved my strength improved like my my leg press one rep REM rep one rep max went
01:14:23
from 220 lb to 360 lb in 30 days um I did uh V2 max testing um so my body's ability to use oxygen when I first did
01:14:33
it at the start of the 30 days I was put at the 51st percentile so if you looked
01:14:36
at like an age graph you'd be able to predict exactly what age I am that was
01:14:39
spot on average and then after 30 days I had increased into the top 7% of Fitness
01:14:44
for my um age and gender which is huge for me because I'm someone who has never
01:14:49
exercised a day in my life before this I'd never gone on runs I hated the gym
01:14:54
I'd never been trained in the gym it was just something that was like the antithesis of anti- Kate you know um so
01:15:01
yeah huge huge changes on my end and my blood work improved we're still waiting
01:15:05
on my oxidized LDL to come back but generally everything everything looks really good what's your take on that and
01:15:10
things that have improved and the changes you've seen in her I think the most interesting and uh entertaining was
01:15:18
the existential crisises where they be they became so frequent I would send her messages just like in a joking fashion
01:15:25
like hey like hope your central crisis is going well today how can uh how can I help but she really was I I applaud her
01:15:32
because she jumped in with both feet and she was willing to share the entirety of
01:15:37
her internal experience so she didn't try to camouflage any of her pain she didn't try to uh be tougher than she was
01:15:44
she was just open and transparent about the entire process and I think that people around us the entire team and uh
01:15:50
those observing drew a lot of inspiration because she was open about everything about what she was struggling
01:15:55
with internally and uh she was willing to step into the problem like she she didn't miss a single day and that's hard
01:16:02
like there's a lot of motivation to quit or to take a day off and so I am really
01:16:07
pleased that um she gave it a go and uh she prevailed it would have been very easy for her to quit hey you 27 yes
01:16:20
um sacrifice yeah people think of 20 your 20's sacrifice they think going out
01:16:26
partying did you do that stuff before did you like date you know all that kind of stuff yeah yeah no it definitely was
01:16:33
a big consideration for me and like the other thing to add is blueprint especially at the level we're trying to
01:16:39
do this at is a full-time Endeavor and so you have to fit this into your existing lifestyle and so it's really
01:16:45
difficult even things like you know during that 30-day trial we travel for work and I remember we got back one day
01:16:50
and it was like 6:00 p.m. or something like that and and everyone was like zoned after being on the road for 3 days
01:16:56
or something like that and I was like I got to go exercise now guys and everyone
01:16:59
was like what but that's the thing like you know my data it demanded it my body
01:17:04
demanded it and so I was going to do it it wasn't about you know what I wanted
01:17:07
in that moment or not um so it is a very intense thing to commit to as far as like the socializing and all that kind
01:17:16
of stuff yeah I I was someone who you know would stay up I mean I would St up working a lot of the time like I'm a
01:17:22
grind culture child like I I really did throw myself into it so I would say that's probably the thing that changed
01:17:28
the most on the socializing thing like my friends have been so uh accommodating you know I we'd go
01:17:35
out for brunch still and I would bring my blueprint tin and just sit at the table while you know other people having
01:17:39
their you know maybe their mimosas with orange juice in it um but yeah I think there have
01:17:46
been easy ways to make it fit into my life and the people around me have been really accommodating which is lovely
01:17:51
what's been the biggest and the hardest sacrifice the thing that you you know
01:17:56
maybe on the difficult days you miss a little bit you know just so sad but my the
01:18:01
first thing that comes to my mind is oat milk lates like I'm such a typical you
01:18:06
know uh yeah young person now but yeah I you know there's like little you you
01:18:11
realize you come face to face with the fact that a lot of life's small Joys are
01:18:16
baked into the things that you do on a routine basis and so it it took me a while to remap those things um did you
01:18:23
drink before no I mean know I was I was like a normal normal person yeah so drinks in the weekend with friends when
01:18:30
you feel a little bit guilty if you quit doing this after everything the team have invested in you Brian's faith in
01:18:35
you does that not feel like a bit of a pressure yes it does however this was also you can't let those things drive
01:18:44
you when you're on blueprint so for example I halfway through my my 30-day period I started to really not feel
01:18:53
great and I would watch my heart rate you know as you get better exercises exercise your Fitness improves it's
01:18:59
harder to get your heart rate up and I was going against this metric of I need to get my heart rate over 173 beats per
01:19:05
minute um to hit this biger heart rate zone to get my markers um up and I was pushing myself and pushing myself I was
01:19:12
you know I documented all this all you know for our YouTube channel and whatnot but I was at this point where I was
01:19:19
crying on the weekend and I was like I don't know if I can do this like I think
01:19:22
I have to give up because I just couldn't get my heart rate up and it took me a second to realize that
01:19:27
priority Kate had snuck in again but in this really subtle you know back door kind of way where I was holding myself
01:19:34
to this expectation of I needed to do these very intense things so I could prove to the public that I can do this
01:19:41
I'm going to be you know this blueprint XX when in reality the blueprint ways
01:19:45
actually stop look at the data and if I had done that I really would have seen that my my HIV was down my recovery was
01:19:51
down like my body was asking for break but my conscious mind was stepping in and saying you need to prioritize the
01:19:57
Viewpoint of others and how they're going to think of you and make sure you just hit these goals regardless of what
01:20:01
the data says so I think that to answer your question if I'm people pleasing in that
01:20:08
way I just get in my own way but if you stop and look at the data that's where actually the Insight
01:20:16
comes from why did Brian why did you want Kate to do this did you want her to do it and if so why
01:20:24
I'm we talked about this extensively and I told Kate that there was no pressure
01:20:29
no expectation that uh it was entirely her decision that she could think through it uh there were other people
01:20:35
that could certainly fulfill the role so it was Kate's call to do it and even
01:20:40
when she was doing it it was entirely her decision whether she want to continue and so I made it very very
01:20:44
clear there was no pressure no uh overriding assumption that was not being exp uh communicated so this is why I
01:20:52
think the the the the shift and transition from grind culture to taking care of one's
01:20:58
health is there's so many layers uh people are very fast to come up with excuses and reasons why they don't want
01:21:03
to do it and I think by Kate doing this it was um a transparent reveal of everything she had stacked up that was
01:21:09
stopping her from doing that and uh I thought it would be interesting because she she understood the intricacies of
01:21:14
the Endeavor so thoroughly and she also was aware of how we were communicating to this and she had this vantage point
01:21:19
that was really unique uh so I thought it'd be she'd be a perfect candidate to
01:21:22
do it uh but again no obligation entirely her call if she thought this would be a good move for her okay blink
01:21:28
once if you're being held hostage exactly right right do you want to die I want to have the opportunity to live you
01:21:43
want you want to have the opportunity to live that's very intentional cuz he said
01:21:45
he doesn't want to die yeah you might have seen it on the shirt yeah you want
01:21:50
what's the Nuance there I don't mind the idea of death you know if it happens it
01:21:55
happens but I would love to be able to spend each minute living as much as possible and so that's what this is for
01:22:02
me I think I'm I'm on the same page with you yeah I I'm not scared of dying um I
01:22:08
don't think you're scared of dying are you Brian you're not scared of dying um
01:22:12
but would I like the opportunity to live on I would like the opportunity to live
01:22:17
on but I do also think that what makes life enjoyable is the scarcity the fact that I'm me sitting here now is me CH
01:22:26
choosing not to do everything else is why this is so special y totally agree so also I find this like idea of the
01:22:34
fear of death and people kind of like barking at that it's interesting to me
01:22:38
because I think if anything is more rational to fear fear I would say is death like out of all the fears I could
01:22:43
have in life fear of death is probably one that I would choose to have you know that makes sense to me I'd love to to to
01:22:51
Really Want To Live every single second of the day yeah same what how what you how do you think about what we just said
01:22:57
that the fact that we are going to die creates the specialness in the life that we have I don't think we know what we're
01:23:04
talking about okay fair enough I do what I I think I lose everybody like you know
01:23:10
Kate is a much more relatable person like she you know she says things to people are like that's sensible and I
01:23:15
understand that and I say something people are like that's really weird I'm
01:23:18
not quite sure what to do with that but I really and so I really am trying very hard to be more understandable to be
01:23:26
more relatable and have these viewpoints but I I can't seem to land this idea that it's possible we are so
01:23:38
primitive in our current way of being that we wouldn't even dare ask ourselves
01:23:43
our own opinions about anything when you talk about this playing it Forward into
01:23:46
the future and asking future civilizations about us or then playing it backwards that does help me
01:23:51
understand it because if You' gone a million years backwards and asked them about us they never would have been able
01:23:57
to predict this incredible world and we're probably living like four times longer than they did anyway since we've
01:24:02
since we last spoke is there anything that's been on your mind that you uh you
01:24:06
think is important as an update for the listeners who listen to the last episode yeah I mean we we it was a a fun
01:24:14
couple months yeah gene therapy uh I published a book and we Kate completed her 90 days of of uh first female on
01:24:24
blueprint uh doing the full program we made for available for free the entirety of the recipes of blueprint so we
01:24:30
basically we've made for free uh the dietary protocol all the exercises all the supplements a book like we basically
01:24:39
what I hope is we've given a a blueprint for the future evolution of Being Human
01:24:43
and we've made everything available for free for everyone all over the world wow
01:24:49
and what comes next the best is Yet to Come yeah we've got a couple fun projects just give me
01:24:55
one uh let's see it's another gene therapy okay yeah to do what to extend life I mean if we
01:25:06
really are trying to punch through the ceiling then we you can only do so much with diet sleep and exercise and we've
01:25:13
kind of mastered those things so now we're trying to level up on more powerful
01:25:17
therapies exciting look forward to hearing the question that's been left for you in the diary is dear next guest
01:25:24
as you look back on the interview right now what's one thing you wish you said
01:25:31
or did differently yeah okay I I don't know if I did this justice so I want to I want to
01:25:40
communicate with more clarity that regardless of the data and how I feel and all these kinds of things the thing
01:25:49
that I always come back to on whether or not this is the right decision for me as
01:25:53
in Blueprint is am who's doing a better job of looking after Kate is it current Kate or
01:26:02
past Kate and I would argue that even if it's only a marginal Improvement it's
01:26:07
worth taking this step toward looking after oneself just a little bit better and so that's how I feel about this
01:26:13
whole process is like I know based on the data I know based on my subjective experience based on any other metric
01:26:18
that I'm doing a better job now than I was previously so which Kate's happier I think Kate has no control over
01:26:28
her own happiness and so I almost never try to optimize her happiness when Brian sat down he said
01:26:36
I'm the happiest I've ever been yeah is this the happiest you've ever been yes
01:26:41
yeah purely go ahead this Kate's happier than old Kate yes but I would say that
01:26:48
Kate always is biased to saying that Kate is always the happiest in any given moment Kate is generally a very
01:26:54
optimistic and happy person and is the blueprint different for women than it is for men because there's different sort
01:27:00
of hormonal and physiological elements to men and women yeah that's what we're
01:27:05
currently in the process of figuring out so it took Brian what like two three years and millions of dollars to get his
01:27:10
protocol stabilized so we're currently in that process of figuring out how are
01:27:14
we tuning it to to my to my hormones and levels and tracking my data so we're in
01:27:19
a very exciting period have you kept count of how many millions of dollars it's cost you to do
01:27:25
this uh yeah I counting it's um probably three to four at this point yeah the
01:27:31
majority of that has been on the measurement protocols it's the scientific research it's like uh yeah
01:27:37
trying to get your head around everything that's ever been published get that structured in a way that's
01:27:40
actionable then doing the measurement but the actual implementation is very cheap like this is the thing is we um
01:27:47
someone made a comment the other day that this is the the uh most impactful humanitarian project ever in that the
01:27:53
more value is being delivered to more people and um I love the frame that um it's a species wide evolutionary plan
01:28:03
and we uh we're we're launching a product so one of the biggest questions
01:28:07
we've received like this is one of the more exciting things we have going on is
01:28:10
when we did blueprint started blueprint it was never to make money we never had a commercial plan we never had like some
01:28:15
sneaky idea was just like we wanted to P pursue the boundaries of Science and then it became a thing and people are
01:28:22
like make this easy because I want to do it but I don't want to spend the time
01:28:25
and so over the past few months we've created a a blueprint product stack and
01:28:29
I think that we'll be ready to launch in 90 days or so I think it will be competitive with the most
01:28:39
nutritious product in history interesting and it's a supplement it's uh it's it's a powders
01:28:48
and pills food supplement extra version olive oil it's a whole bunch of stuff
01:28:52
it's basically I think we'll be able to deliver to people at a lower cost you
01:28:58
whether we succeed in this or not whether we succeed at the number one spot I like the idea that we're
01:29:02
competing with the best the best most nutritious food product ever built in human history and I like that we are at
01:29:10
least competing for that slot and so I think it would make sense for the UN to be putting blueprint into the hands of
01:29:16
people and uh than anything else out there and so that's exciting that it's
01:29:20
we're just rounding the corner from this novel idea to this full scale Humanity
01:29:27
wide conversation on what can we become and basically trying to purge from our society the self-destruction that we've
01:29:37
embeded within it hey I've got one more question for you before Brian answers
01:29:40
the book question just thought of one go you want to take it um what can you tell
01:29:45
me something that you disagree with Brian on um that's actually really really hard because I think we agree on
01:29:51
most things um we typically see the world uh from from pretty different perspectives
01:29:56
definely we reconcile them ultimately but we definitely view the world uh meaningfully different yeah
01:30:05
yeah I really see myself as an operations manager for Humanity not not because like I just find that that's a
01:30:14
role that we have not really tackled as a species yet you know being able to see
01:30:20
the systems that underly Humanity at this huge scale and so nutrition is one of these things like we
01:30:27
you know this blueprint stack that we're working on it's almost like your your
01:30:33
mom has packed you a lunch box and said here's the basics of what your body has
01:30:38
requested for today like go out have a great day you know you've got a budget
01:30:43
to go and have fun in this specific kind of way but just like here's what you
01:30:46
need at a basic level I think there only a small you can you can change the world
01:30:52
with a small a couple of small changes like that that we just haven't thought
01:30:56
about on that efficient level if you're the operations manager Humanity what is
01:31:00
Brian Brian is the the Visionary behind behind pushing this I mean when I met it was said you
01:31:09
got opportunity to roast me it was like te up you could have get dunked on what did it mean it was like moment for to
01:31:16
dunk on me I don't know yeah that's yeah okay so Brian your question then so I will see
01:31:24
where can I speak to camera which one okay great as a last time I was on the podcast hi
01:31:33
everyone nice to see you you were all so kind to me in the comments on our last video together and I've become
01:31:42
accustomed to get pretty beat up about on pretty much everything all the time and all of there were so many of you who
01:31:49
were so generous and kind and charitable and compassionate and I just really appreciate you I read all the comments I
01:31:57
find it to be a really informative Source about what I'm doing well to communicate what I'm struggling on and I
01:32:02
appreciate your generosity with me uh as I Stumble through how to communicate ideas that make sense in my mind but
01:32:10
then you know they don't land as clearly with others but I appreciate that you're
01:32:15
willing to entertain the discussion and uh yeah just it really I was really touched by how your your kindness
01:32:23
so you've developed a powerful community that of highly intelligent compassionate engaging people and I
01:32:31
appreciate being a member of that because it's these topics are hard and it's easy to lob insults and make
01:32:39
derogatory comments it's just so easy to try to pick that off as the form of
01:32:43
communication and you this community did not they took a different path and it was really encouraging to read you read
01:32:52
every comment I read most of them does that do does any of it ever hurt you and maybe you should answer this you
01:33:01
answer this just collected a whole bunch of Mean Tweets for a YouTube video we have coming out soon Brian ready mean
01:33:07
tweets and honestly I don't think I've ever seen Brian more happy than reading
01:33:11
Mean Tweets he absolutely loves it I did notice that on Twitter I was like he really loves engaging with this stuff
01:33:20
how how how have you got yourself to that place mentally where you can read someone saying some just the worst thing
01:33:25
about you and seemingly spin it into a joke and apparently really genuinely not care
01:33:32
yeah not only do I not care I love it why um I mean why why do why why do I love
01:33:40
it I mean it's really beyond my comprehension I don't know I mean and maybe you know like in other times in my
01:33:47
life maybe I would have been more sensitive to it but I mean I people work so hard at making the absolute most
01:33:53
cutting insult they can generate I know they they spend a lot of time doing these things and I I appreciate the
01:34:00
effort you know like it's great I'm not sure why but it does it brings me
01:34:04
genuine happiness I I would wager that Brian Brian I lot of people don't realize how thoughtful he is every
01:34:12
second behind the scenes he's constantly thinking about other people and what
01:34:16
they're going to think so I feel like you've actually explored all of these
01:34:19
roasts in your own head and so to witness them come to life it's just like oh fun people are having fun with me
01:34:24
like it's great interesting gosh gosh I do I do I do think that Brian I do think that you're very very
01:34:33
thoughtful I even notice it in the way you answer questions you take a pause often and people don't typically do that
01:34:37
they just give the answer and then for you to even say to some questions I don't know is again a sign of that
01:34:42
thoughtfulness but I always also think people that are that sort of neurotic and thoughtful and always thinking in
01:34:48
their head I think God they must be a little bit tortured in some way like it it can't be a pleasant experience to be
01:34:53
that intelligent and thinking about that many things that often because you're
01:34:57
going to end up thinking about some things that aren't so great yeah you know what I mean if you can if you have
01:35:01
that ability to think you know I think that about Elon a little bit as well like he he speaks about being a young
01:35:07
man that had like an existential crisis and and uh made him depressed and then he watched hitchhike as Guide to the
01:35:14
Galaxy and that kind of got him out of his depression but being that intelligent and
01:35:19
thoughtful comes with a cost now yeah I mean I I certainly am familiar with torturing
01:35:27
myself I've been in time times in my life like the majority of my life I actually vigorously tortured myself and
01:35:35
it's only been in the past few years in conjunction with blueprint where I have
01:35:38
been rid of that torture and I I think also when people make these biting comments to me they don't even compare
01:35:47
with the comments I make to myself I mean I am uh in previous versions of me I was
01:35:51
brutal to myself in ways and of course I know all of my uh I know the underbelly
01:35:58
of you know so I know how to make the most biting comment to myself and so I'd
01:36:01
say After experiencing that anyone else trying to uh tear me down just like it's
01:36:06
totally insignificant it doesn't mean anything to me um this is the thing like
01:36:10
if we I guess I'll be sincere for a moment is if like how lucky are we to exist in this moment
01:36:22
and if we're really trying to figure out how we have the most fulfilling existence prioritizing our health and
01:36:30
wellness of getting good sleep and eating well and avoiding bad things changes your existence you want
01:36:36
different things you think about different things you respond differently to to people's comments you you're a
01:36:42
different human and this is in in some ways why I don't trust so first I don't
01:36:48
trust any of my own responses but I trust even less other people's responses who are half
01:36:54
dead when they're not sleeping well when they have bad habits when they aren't
01:36:59
thinking clearly we know this from science that you you become inebriated and so that's why when I
01:37:06
think about Humanity like do we are we actually of the right mind of clarity to say anything about our wants and desires
01:37:14
and I think we're all just drunk on addiction and we just can't see our way
01:37:19
through this thing and so when we say I want this I want that or whatever I don't believe it we're not our we're not
01:37:24
in our best mind state right now and we don't trust our own judgment and this is
01:37:28
it's it's hard for us to comprehend that because we have to trust oursel on a
01:37:33
day-to-day basis doing these things and to step take a step back and be like could I be wrong about basically
01:37:39
everything takes so much courage to to even contemplate and it's offensive to
01:37:45
most people's minds but really I think it's where we we are best to be there to
01:37:50
question all all these things and and this is what how I Stumble in these conversations like I know even in
01:37:55
talking with you today I know when I say certain things to you they don't resonate right you're like kind of see
01:38:01
your point but like really this this path makes much more sense to me and uh yes I'm really trying to improve at this
01:38:09
game uh it's a hard one it's like um there there's like there's one story
01:38:14
here I'll share um it's my favorite one so there's a captain navigating the
01:38:21
Andes a communication change course 30° north the captain radio's back you change your course 20°
01:38:33
South gets a radio back no immediately change 30° north now at this point the captain is irritated uh his authority
01:38:41
their Authority has been challenged so Captain radio's back this is fleet commander so and so of the Battalion so
01:38:48
and so whatever change 30 North and of course this has always worked for that person uh always use force and
01:38:56
authority and bullying to get whatever their objective is and the communication comes back I'm a lighthouse change
01:39:03
course 20 South in this conversation as a species we are the fleet commander our
01:39:10
minds are the fleet commander we believe we can bully our way through any conversation is the future worth living
01:39:18
I'll tell you right now do I want this fette I'll tell you right now do I want
01:39:22
to sleep versus something else I'll tell you our mind has an infinite depth of
01:39:27
answers and it knows all things I think the future could potentially be a lighthouse when we
01:39:35
offer up a response about something we want feel think imagine whatever our tactic that has always
01:39:43
worked for us in the past so we can just bully our way through all things is somehow not going to work anymore
01:39:48
because it's a lighthouse and that's what the future future feels like to me
01:39:52
is we cannot use these tactics that have worked for us in the past that the circumstances have changed so
01:39:59
radically the new the old rules don't apply a new game is coming and like sure
01:40:04
we don't know what's going to happen and sure we don't know if it's going to be
01:40:06
positive or netive we don't even know if we'll have a conception of positive or
01:40:09
negative like maybe those ideas will even go away like we have no clue whatsoever what our existence would be
01:40:15
like and this is like why purging Society of this stuff is interesting to me like Why would not wage war right now
01:40:22
like wage war on this it's it's ruining our chances of the future even something like like the
01:40:29
hallow Halloween holiday traditions why are we contributing to the dying of our children by giving them sugar as they
01:40:36
walk around from house to house like how are we this foolish got our Halloween [Laughter]
01:40:48
sponsor joking we haven't really no it's true though but that's the way we've
01:40:52
designed Society but I'm I'm hopeful about that because conversations like
01:40:55
this um and all the podcasts out there that are having these conversations are changing the dial I've seen an evolution
01:41:01
in myself over the last 12 months of doing this the the types of subjects we're talking about and sugar and ultr
01:41:06
process foods and sleep and all of these things so if it's gently nudging me I'm
01:41:11
convinced it's gently nudging my listeners and there's more shows like this all around the world and we're all
01:41:16
kind of becoming awakened to it because we're feeling the symptoms the symptoms
01:41:19
of that discontent the depression inflammation killing everybody and cardiovascular diseases so I think it
01:41:26
feels like there's a slow but certain Uprising in society I agree I that I perceive the same
01:41:35
thing thank you so much Brian thank you so much Kate really appreciate you sharing that with me um so interesting
01:41:41
and I really hope we can have this conversation again when you hit more Milestones everybody needs to go and get
01:41:45
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01:41:53
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