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WILL THE MIDDLE-CLASS BE WIPED OUT?

June 10, 2026 / 01:31

This episode discusses the impact of government size on businesses, taxation, and economic ownership. Key topics include the challenges faced by small businesses in the UK, the need for tax reduction, and the importance of ownership for financial security.

The conversation features a debate on the effectiveness of big government versus smaller government. One guest argues that high taxes hinder business success, while another suggests that reducing taxes could help small businesses thrive.

Participants express concerns about the unaffordability of housing and the lack of local jobs, emphasizing the need for decent wages and economic stability. They highlight the changing rules of the economy and the necessity for individuals to adapt.

Overall, the episode presents differing views on economic policies and their effects on society, with a focus on the importance of ownership and financial security for individuals.

TL;DR

The episode debates government size, taxation, and economic ownership, focusing on challenges for small businesses and the need for financial stability.

Episode

1:31

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There is literally no example on planet

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Earth of a high functioning society

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without big government.

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>> not true. Big government is sucking the

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life out of more businesses. And I spent

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countless hours with businesses. And

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they're like, "You can't succeed in the

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UK. As soon as you earn anything,

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they'll just tax it off you."

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>> So, pop off to Dubai, run the business

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virtually, and pay no tax. It's idiotic.

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I I don't know how you can look at that

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and think this is a good system.

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>> No, no, I'm saying what needs to happen

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is reduce the taxes and the pressure on

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the small businesses. Cuz everyone in

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this economy needs to own stuff. We need

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to own a house, own a business, and own

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shares.

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>> But not everybody can be an

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entrepreneur.

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>> Correct. Look, it would be wonderful if

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everybody owned something. But ownership

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starts with earning enough money so that

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you can save money so that you can begin

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to own something. So, the problem is

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wages. Because most people want to be

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able to go to work and be treated

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decently, own or earn enough money so

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that I can feel secure. I just want to

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be married, have kids, own a house.

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>> All that. That's what most people

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>> that, and I want that for everyone.

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That's gone away. Houses are

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unaffordable. Local jobs don't exist.

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Technology has cut out all the middle

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men. No one's paying healthy wages. We

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have the most unhappy population. And if

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you want to fix that, you have to enact

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this.

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>> This.

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>> Well, I've seen Nick's policies

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implemented, and I don't feel it's

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enough.

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>> You haven't seen all of the policies, so

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>> But we need people to know that the

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rules that we grew up with have changed,

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and people have to learn the rules of

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this new economy.

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>> Yes, yes, yes, I totally agree. And if

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you want to get the economy back on

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track, the starting point is

Episode Highlights

The Struggle for Ownership
A discussion on the challenges of ownership and economic stability in today's society.
“Ownership starts with earning enough money so that you can save money.”
@ 00m 41s
June 10, 2026
Changing Economic Rules
The need for society to adapt to new economic realities and rules.
“The rules that we grew up with have changed.”
@ 01m 19s
June 10, 2026

Episode Quotes

I just want to be married, have kids, own a house.
WILL THE MIDDLE-CLASS BE WIPED OUT?
We have the most unhappy population.
WILL THE MIDDLE-CLASS BE WIPED OUT?

Key Moments

Taxation Frustration00:14
Desire for Stability00:55
Societal Unhappiness01:08
Economic Adaptation01:19