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Examining Trump's 2024 Agenda: "This is How We Move Away From a Democracy" | Pivot

July 12, 2024 / 09:02

This episode discusses the Republican National Convention, Trump's 2024 platform, and implications for abortion, marriage equality, and tech regulation.

The hosts criticize Trump's recent rally and his messaging strategy, highlighting his attempts to soften the GOP stance on various issues, including abortion and marriage equality. They note that the new platform omits references to a national abortion ban and traditional marriage.

They also discuss Project 2025, a proposal backed by Trump allies that aims to overhaul the federal government, including disbanding certain departments and expanding executive powers.

The conversation touches on Trump's threats against political opponents, particularly Mark Zuckerberg, and the implications of such rhetoric for democracy and open debate.

Overall, the hosts express concern about the potential consequences of Trump's policies and the shift towards autocratic governance.

TLDR

Hosts discuss Trump's 2024 platform, Project 2025, and threats to democracy.

Episode

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we have to talk about Trump which we should the national Republican convention gets underway uh next week
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the party approved its 2024 platform on Monday giving us a glimpse at what Trump
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second term might look at it sounds awful in every single way the platform reads like a trump rally speech and
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features a list of 20 promises including stop the migrant Invasion which we're still waiting for that Caravan cancel
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the electrical electric vehicle mandate and prevent World War II okay the language on abortion and same-sex
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marriage has also been paired down and softened gays can stay married apparently according to Donald Trump
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thanks Donald you um you know it's he has had a rally recently where he was as loony as a you know it's
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all baked in but he was loonier than ever still talking about sharks and Hannibal lecor and all kinds of this and
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that I speaking of cognitive disabilities um uh and I know people say we should say more about it he is crazy
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everybody we've said it over and over again and he's Vicious he's crazy and vicious and corrupt and a criminal um so
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there hope that's enough um what do you think about this Vision that they've laid out they're certainly
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trying to soften we've been hearing a lot thankfully about project 2025 in recent weeks a proposal for massive
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overhaul the federal government should meaning cutting out getting rid of Noah is one of their is one is on their list
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um the project backed by Trump allies very close Trump allies includes an expansion of executive powers disbanding
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the Department of Education shredding climate protections Trump has recently distanced himself from the plan uh
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claiming he know nothing about it which is nonsense he also was like I wish them
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good luck it was very similar to a statement he gave about julain Maxwell of the famous Epstein saying I don't
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really know her and uh but I wish her good luck and of course there's 90 pictures of him with her um so what do
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you think about this I think that they're so as frightening as Biden's performance has
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been we don't want to talk about this but Trump has actually been very on message he's been much more disciplined
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this time and he realizes that he's he's basically said we if we just pivot a little bit to the metal and we're not as
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terribly frightening what what's going on here is we've seen before and that's gorsage and Amy coning Barrett uh in
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their Senate testimony confirmation hearings pretending to be reasonable and then once they're on the court they
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decide to overturn roie Wade which they said under oath in front of the Senate was established
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president uh my sense is Trump is very on message I forget the name of the woman scaramucci said there's a Susie WS
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he said she's the most powerful woman in uh Washington right now she is there's a
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good piece by Tim Alberta who did the Chris lick piece about the Trump campaign it's a mustre by the way but go
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ahead she's in it but think about it he's gone totally quiet around the debate he's softening the stuff around
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bodily autonomy but be clear folks it's now one in five women have to leave their state to terminate a pregnancy
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it's going to go to two and five three and five and maybe more in this whole 20 whatever they're
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calling it 20 what are they calling it 20 2025 project 2025 I mean it's you you read through it and it's oh it's a
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handmaiden tail booklet be clear folks the thing about these things is we make the mistake of believing they're so
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crazy they could never happen no they can happen it can happen so from a messaging standpoint Trump's trying to
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distance himself but it is a Looking Glass into what some of the most powerful people who will have the
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greatest audience voice and sway on the White House are thinking yeah absolutely
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and and as I mentioned Trump has softened the GOP stance on abortion and marriage equality um new platforms does
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not reference a National Abortion ban the first time it's been omitted in 40 Years of these platforms leave it to the
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states which is almost even worse there's no longer a reference to traditional marriage as between one man
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and one woman that's been in there for a long time um bad marketing for them um you know I think it's you're right he's
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softening he's softening the St oh I'm reasonable but he is not reasonable people let us be absolutely
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clear he will also has have people in there like Steven Miller who absolutely they want to build giant camps and
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Deport people they want to put millions of people under under arrest for for existing essentially um there's also
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major implications for Tech in all of this the plan calls for fewer restrictions on
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cryptocurrency all their Pals and that repealing Biden's executive order on AI which is quite a good one actually and
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bolstering Commercial uh space exploration um this is all this must be the Elon Musk must have called them and
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put them in it signals a Laz fair if not outright cozy approach to emerging sectors as the Washington Post put it
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it's it's that's all Elon Musk so you know just FYI Tech regulation is already a struggle there won't be any Tech
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regulation and government investment in commercial space exloration of course be
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a boot for musk um and also Jeff Bezos by the way um now it's interesting that some tech leaders are playing nice some
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aren't like Reed Hoffman is and what's was really Fring and I know you don't like Mark Zuckerberg but Trump
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threatened him in a way that sounded like a tinhorn dictator um he said uh he said posted on TR social the election
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fraudsters will be imprisoned if he gets elected in November and he name checks Zuckerberg um Mark Z is a lot of things
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but he's not an election fraudster and the fact that he's threatened imprisonment over over his stupid
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election denial lies is is really I had to defend Mark that's just look if we want to take put Mark in prison let's
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bring to trial prove the case do the things like what what a what a legal democracy does that's different than
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what Trump did here which is which is heinous absolutely heinous there's a clear thick and deling line between a
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democracy and Fascism and one of those lines I mean that there sharp relief between an autocracy and a democracy is
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that we have deced decided that when people are elected to power they can't use federal agencies to go after their
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political enemies and when you start threatening to put your political enemies in prison
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and what he referenced was that Zuckerberg donated 400 million to nonprofits helping election offices with
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mail and voting getting falsely accused of violating campaign Finance laws um by the way he was cleared by the
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Federal Election Commission this is stepping over that line into fascism and it's not about Mark Zuckerberg it's
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about President Biden has never said I hate Elon Musk I think he's a threat to democracy I hate what he's doing in
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Ukraine I'm sicking my doj on him anyways when you directly say I'm going to try and put someone in prison if I'm
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elected this is what and what you're dealing with here is what happens in these societies and unfortunately we're
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so entitled and we' enjoyed so many free freedoms of which we're not in touch with the sacrifice and the commitment
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and the expense to maintain these freedoms that we don't realize that when you're living in an autocracy everyone
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goes quiet because it's like okay if you come out against Trump if you come out against Biden
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there's very little downside he wins he forgives you he loses he forgives you whatever when you come out against Trump
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and say this is a this is a fascist this is a misogynist this is a convicted felon you you risk something and so
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people stop engaging in a democracy which includes open honest debate because they're like What's the the
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downside to being open and honest around what you think of trump is much greater
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than the downside to being open and honest about what you think about the true Democrat because he's not going to
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he's not going to pursue you as a political enemy using the full power of the federal government so just just
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threatening to weaponize our agencies in the government that should be disqualifying and everyone uses the word
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disqualifying but this is what it's like to live in Iran or Russia where people do the math and go I don't even want to
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have an open conversation I'm going to tell my children and my friends never speak out against this person because
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the downside is greater whereas there's someone who's a Democrat oh yeah speak out against them because there's no
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downside if you just speaking your mind this is this is what it's like to live in an autocracy I mean I haven't I'm not
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I'm I want to be clear I'm not scared but the thought has crossed my mind that if Donald Trump is elected it's not the
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threat of some sort of government regulation or something I'm not I'm not saying we'd be put in jail but do they
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pass legislation that is damaging to you and your family I this isn't this is how we move away
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from a democracy

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Episode Highlights

  • Trump's 2024 Platform Unveiled
    The GOP approved its 2024 platform, revealing alarming promises and a shift in tone.
    “The platform reads like a Trump rally speech.”
    @ 00m 10s
    July 12, 2024
  • Trump's Distancing from Project 2025
    Trump claims ignorance of Project 2025, despite its ties to his allies.
    “He also was like, I wish them good luck.”
    @ 01m 29s
    July 12, 2024
  • Threats Against Zuckerberg
    Trump threatens imprisonment for election fraud, targeting Zuckerberg directly.
    “The election fraudsters will be imprisoned if he gets elected.”
    @ 05m 09s
    July 12, 2024

Episode Quotes

  • Thanks Donald, you um, you know it's he has had a rally recently.
    Examining Trump's 2024 Agenda: "This is How We Move Away From a Democracy" | Pivot
  • It's a handmaiden tail booklet, be clear folks.
    Examining Trump's 2024 Agenda: "This is How We Move Away From a Democracy" | Pivot
  • This is what it's like to live in an autocracy.
    Examining Trump's 2024 Agenda: "This is How We Move Away From a Democracy" | Pivot

Key Moments

  • GOP Platform Approved00:04
  • Trump's Rally Behavior00:35
  • Project 2025 Discussion01:09
  • Threatening Imprisonment05:09
  • Living in Autocracy08:27

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