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Will Meta and Microsoft's AI Investments Pay Off? | Pivot

August 02, 2024 / 06:20

This episode discusses the recent earnings reports from Meta and Microsoft, focusing on their revenue, profit growth, and AI spending. Key topics include Meta's strong advertising revenue, Microsoft's mixed results, and the overall capital expenditures in the tech industry.

Meta's shares rose after reporting a 22% increase in advertising revenue year-over-year, with earnings per share up 73%. Despite concerns about heavy AI spending, the company is optimistic about its business performance, boasting 3.4 billion daily active users.

Microsoft's earnings report revealed a mixed bag, with overall sales and profit growth beating expectations. However, their cloud revenue growth of 27% was slightly below prior quarters, leading to a 3% drop in shares after the report.

The conversation highlights the staggering capital expenditures in the tech sector, with major companies like Amazon, Meta, Microsoft, and Google expected to spend around $200 billion this year. This figure is double the US government's spending on homeland security.

Analysts express concerns about whether the significant investments in AI will yield returns. The episode emphasizes the urgency for tech companies to invest in AI, likening it to an arms race in the industry.

TLDR

Meta's earnings soar while Microsoft faces mixed results amid rising AI spending concerns.

Episode

6:20
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we've got more Tech earnings to discuss so much going on let's start with Mata whose shares jumped in extended trading
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Wednesday after the company Beat estimates of revenue and profit in the second quarter advertising Revenue 22%
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from a year earlier and the strength of that business seems to be offsetting concerned about heavy spending on AI
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which I think is necessary for them the AI spending will be increasing with meta
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uping its expected 2024 Capital expenditures to at least 37 billion we're done with the metaverse now we're
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spending the money on AI um meta shares did sync on AI spending news last quarter um the market seems more
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optimistic because they've got a really good business to get them there I guess um there's not still not a lot to show
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for these AI Investments and a lot of investors are worried about where the payoffs are um how long will investors
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wait to get a return from meta um and I'll just go through Microsoft earnings really quickly Microsoft was less
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they're less enthusiastic about those which were a m of bit of a mix bag overall sales and profit growth beat
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expectations in the latest quarter but revenue for the company's Cloud business roads 27% slightly below the prior
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quarter and analy expectation shares were down about 3% on Tuesday after the earnings report but rebounded for the
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most part the next day um so talk a little bit about that about the two companies
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thoughts there's just no denying it meta I mean meta their earnings were up their
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earnings per share were up 73% year on year their ad Impressions and average price per ad both increase 10% year on
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year I mean that's incredible the average price and the number of Impressions up 10% 3 and A4 billion
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daily active users so 40% of the planet is on a meta platform every day um the only thing that's giving anyone any
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pause and it depends how well they're positioned is they said they warned that capex growth for AI will grow
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significantly and they've said that the amount of compute needed to train llama 4 will likely be almost 10 times more
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than we used to uh what was used to train uh llama 3 and people are sort of when they get a little insecure about
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this they immediately go to similar to what they did in 99 when they went to Cisco they go to the infrastructure
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place because if you look at the capex for the software layer Microsoft meta Google and Amazon their capex is up 31%
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but their revenue is only up 19 whereas the hardware layer you know where you go
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first Nvidia AMD arm their Capa is actually flat even maybe down 8% depending on how you calculate it but
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their revenue is up 146% so it feels like a safer a safer play right now since reporting their
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earnings Microsoft and Google the software stack or part of the stack have declined 2 and 6% respectively when AMD
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reported it was up 8% but the the software layer although is that true meta was up but Microsoft was down but
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the thing that freaked everybody out on the Microsoft call was uh just their I think it was like they announced
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something like a 78% year-on-year increase in capex to 19 billion which is a staggering increase and get this the
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entire tech industry is in such a spending Street the capital expenditures of Amazon metam Microsoft and Google
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this year will be about $200 billion do that's double what the US government spends on homeland security I mean this
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is these numbers are just staggering they are they're staggering whether they're going to get the money back is a
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real question there's I think pretty much open AI is making money but who else is you know this this irritating VC
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I'm not even going to name them was was asking um I was having lunch with Sam Alman was asking like is any going to
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make money here essentially and I think everyone's worried about that is is this
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spending going to result in you know a growth that that that meets the amount of money they're spending I don't see
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they have another choice but to spend correct it's this is not the metaverse this is a really critical shift in
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Computing I don't know how they can't not invest this is I mean all systems are go here this is this is I mean as as
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much excitement as there was about the web even though the revenue is scanned relative to the investment it's
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dramatically greater than the revenue anyone getting from the web in the 90s so everybody is going Allin and also it
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plays to their strength in this in the sense that they already have a captive audience to to roll out AI applications
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to and also they've learned from the father that if you have the advantage of cheap Capital you leverage that
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advantage and you go hard at capex to try and pull away from everybody else so they're doing that they're like look our
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advantage is we have access to cheaper Capital because of our market cap and our PE so we are going to turn turn on
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the spending jots here's a fun stat 40% of S&P 500 companies discust AI in their
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earnings calls I mean for you know what is it only like 20% are tech companies so even non-tech companies are talking
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about Ai and their earnings calls that's up from 1% of them five years ago so this is this is a tital wave that is
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just sort of this is the tail wagging all dogs so money well spent or we don't know yet or impossible not to spend uh I
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think it's money very well spent for some players unfortunately existing players who are running away with it I
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do think there's a a jump on the band I I don't think I think a lot of analysts are going to say and I don't know if
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Nestle's doing this but I think a lot of analysts are going to say to some of these second tier or consumer
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companies okay rent Ai and spend money on it but you shouldn't be spending capex on it because I've heard about
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some companies are trying to develop their own llms and going very hard at this but the stat I've seen that just
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absolutely blew me away we tried to pull together there's some data on this is that if you look at the actual amount of
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Revenue that AI applications are generating right now you know open AI or chat gbt the subscription things like
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that it's about um $20 billion and it's inspired a market capitalization increase and this includes the amount of
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money that companies are spending on gpus but it's inspired a$3 trillion doll increase in market capitalization so
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right now the industry notionally is trading at 150 times revenues and that just does not feel sustainable that
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means the revenues these applications are garnering has to you know double every year for the foreseeable future
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which is a you know that's a big ask I don't see how they avoid this these spins I just don't see how they avoid
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them yeah it's an arms race they have to do it it's an arms race

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Episode Highlights

  • Microsoft's Mixed Bag
    Microsoft's earnings report showed a mix of growth and decline, raising investor concerns.
    “Microsoft was less enthusiastic about those earnings.”
    @ 00m 47s
    August 02, 2024
  • Meta's Earnings Surge
    Meta's earnings per share rose 73% year-on-year, with ad impressions increasing by 10%.
    “I mean that's incredible!”
    @ 01m 16s
    August 02, 2024
  • AI Spending Surge
    The tech industry's capital expenditures are set to reach $200 billion this year.
    “That's double what the US government spends on homeland security.”
    @ 03m 09s
    August 02, 2024

Episode Quotes

  • 40% of S&P 500 companies discuss AI in their earnings calls.
    Will Meta and Microsoft's AI Investments Pay Off? | Pivot
  • This is a tidal wave that is just sort of the tail wagging all dogs.
    Will Meta and Microsoft's AI Investments Pay Off? | Pivot
  • It's an arms race they have to do it.
    Will Meta and Microsoft's AI Investments Pay Off? | Pivot

Key Moments

  • Microsoft's Caution00:47
  • AI Investment Debate03:41
  • Market Capitalization Surge05:51
  • Arms Race in Tech06:13

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