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Mark Zuckerberg and Meta's Dangerous Decision to End Fact Checking | Pivot

January 10, 2025 / 10:38

This episode discusses Mark Zuckerberg's recent announcement about Meta ending its fact-checking program and the implications for free speech and hate speech moderation.

Scott McClellan shares his thoughts on Zuckerberg's decision, emphasizing the erosion of democratic values and the dangers of misinformation on social media platforms.

The conversation highlights the potential consequences of loosening content moderation, referencing past incidents of violence linked to misinformation, such as the Rohingya crisis in Myanmar.

Criticism is directed at Zuckerberg's motivations, suggesting that financial interests are driving his decisions, particularly in relation to Trump's influence and the restructuring of Meta's content moderation team.

Overall, the episode raises concerns about the future of news consumption and the role of social media in shaping public discourse.

TLDR

Zuckerberg's Meta ends fact-checking, raising concerns about misinformation and free speech.

Episode

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let's get to our first big story as one headline put it this week Mark Zuckerberg and meta are finding new ways
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to kiss Trump's ass I would move around to the front actually in that one that followed Zuckerberg announcing on
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Tuesday that meta is ending its factchecking program essentially meta's platforms will instead use Community
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note system similar to X that will apparently quote reduce censorship rules on hate speech are being loosened if you
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look at what they've done it's an astonishing thing the things they've taken out and meta's content moderation
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team will be moved from California in Texas where there is less concern about bias cuz Texas people have no bias I've
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never seen it ever Texas people won't shut up about Texas to start with anyway uh Zuckerberg shared a video explained
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his decision unfortunately I have to listen to him so let's listen the recent elections also feel like a cultural
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Tipping Point towards once again prioritizing speech so we're going to get back to our roots and focus on
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reducing mistakes simplifying our policies and restoring free expression on our platforms I'm going to let you
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stop start Scott because you had you went on Morning Joe and had quite a moment I did the same thing over on the
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BB on the be in London but go ahead tell me your thoughts we're moving to a the the keys to a thriving democracy are
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three-fold you have to have strong institutions that people respect you have to have shared stories that we're
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the good guys and we want World War II for the right reasons and Americans hearts are in the right place and
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believe in the founding fathers and the rights of people and and you also have to have kind of a
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lot of Social Capital within smaller networks whether it's your church or your neighbors or maybe you served you
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know how you feel about people who also served in the Marines or whatever it might be and slowly but surely social
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media is eroding all of those things and this is just another example of how those three things will continue to come
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down um and be eroded you have somewhere between a half and two-thirds of Americans depending on their age now get
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their news from social media and today when I was on Morning Joe I called Trump an insurrectionist and a
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rapist M had to stop the show and say that Trump was found liable for sexual abuse now imagine in contrast what
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you're going to be able to say about anything Health elections what you should do uh when a fire breaks out in the
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Pacific Palisades on on meta I mean we are all going into we are all separating further and further and to think that
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this doesn't have not only implications around candidates or politics but violence look what happen in 2017
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Myanmar everything there was violence against the rohinga in myanamar in a year later there were rumors circulated
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on WhatsApp unfettered and people were being pulled out of cars in small towns in India and hanged because of rumors
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around uh kidnappings I mean this remember pizz gate that's started on social media so four years ago he called
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it uh moderation now they call it censorship and I got to give it to the guy I do think he's a brilliant
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businessman he said okay this guy has threatened to put me in jail I'm going to turn chicken [ __ ] and turn it into
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chicken salad and come up with a way to please him and potentially R reduce up to5 Billion of costs in the Safety and
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Security team the move to Texas is actually not political it's a means of quiet firing 30 to 60% of the staff cuz
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they won't move and if you take say he saves three or four of that5 billion it trades at a p of 30 30 Time 4 120
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billion owns 50 he just made another $18 billion while managing to kiss Mark Zuckerberg's ass and no Donald Trump's
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I'm sorry Excuse me while while managing to kiss even more no one wants to kiss Mark Zucker br's ass and just a larger
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Point here and the point I made on Joe Scarboro is broken my indignant self preachy self my question is the
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following where are the [ __ ] men where are the men that recognize okay I've made tens
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of billions of dollars here I lead a remarkable life uh my kids have incredible opportunity I have a broader
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selection set of mates than I deserve people laugh at my jokes I'm going to I get to dress like this I'm going to live
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five or 10 years longer than most people I get to do remarkable things because of
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this operating system called America and the blessings of America and yet I have abs [ __ ]
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lutely no Fidelity to those values what is the point of having this much money and this much power if you
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have to bend the knee to a kleptocrat but it's more than that let me just say let me do my little rant now because
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it's more than just bending the knee of course he's doing his self-interest and his business interest which is always
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Mark someone was like I think it was on Pi Morgan he's like are you surprised I'm like no no this is what he's like
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this is what I've told you he's like for for know I wrote a piece in the New York
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Times where I was like this guy is the most dangerous person on the planet like he is he has Amplified and weaponized
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everything and then he doesn't want to take responsibility let me tell you I've talked to a lot of people inside uh
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Facebook and meta they are sick to their stomach Mark just so you know I know Joel Kaplan is is kissing your ass to
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get the job that he got but let let me just be clear so many people called me to this past week the the first person
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who was this first PR person was like we got to get off threads now like I've had
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so many calls sick to their stomach seems to to do it and they should be sick to their stomach because you are a
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sad and Shameless Weather Vein in four more years if the Democrats take over you're going to shift again because
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that's what you do you have no values whatsoever and one of I thought will Ramos did a great piece in the
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Washington Post well places where he cite he goes Mark Zucker cited a cultural Tipping Point to justify
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dumping fact checks and relax ing hate speech rules um meta ending fact checks in the US made headlines but the real
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ball game here is a broader repudiation of the idea that a company is responsible for bad stuff on its
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platform as Zuckerberg puts it bad stuff Mark you don't bad stuff what he thinks
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he's going to like like stub a toe these PE people you put people in danger um the company never really wanted that
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responsibility and Trump's election allows them to shrug it off and and and they never wanted to that's the thing is
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first of all these fact checking systems do make mistakes so does community notes
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so does AI but you have to employ if you want to build your [ __ ] social media Network you need to have all of them at
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work and to impune these fact checkers by the way they have conservative fact Checkers they're not all libtards Mark
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sorry they're from conservative Publications if you want to do that you need fact Checkers that make mistakes
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and then you correct them you need um you need AI you need Community noes to wholly Embrace what they're doing at
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Twitter on top of it with X is repulsive Mark he hates you just so you know they
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laugh at you behind your back in front of your back they laugh at you and and and the fact that he cannot he switches
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his tune I've had conversations where he says Cara AI was going to do this someday Cara Community is going to do
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this Cara moderation is going to do this I don't believe a word coming out of your mouth anymore honestly you're you
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say Mundus [ __ ] all the time Scott and I got to tell you it's exactly what's happening here now secondly when he put
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UFC um CEO and Trump crony Dana White on the board that also upset people inside
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the company and they tamped down the criticism on internal Facebook boards among employees because this guy was was
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SE was caught on a videot type hitting his wife um his wife hit him but I spent years years T talking to my sons about
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never hitting a woman no matter what if she hits you I don't care right this these are the people he's bringing onto
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the board of of of meta right now because he happens to like doing you know MMA and by the way Mark the reason
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all those MMA fighters hang with you is because you're rich they don't think you're that good they it's great to hang
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out with a rich person and I'm glad you're doing it I'm hoping you're having fun but this the whole thing couldn't
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get worse except for what Amazon did about giving melan a $40 million no that wasn't even as bad and these when these
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guard rails are removed it is going to be disastrous for for people Scott take over on your Indy please well I just I I
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feel a need to just fact Tech myself and and disclose that on the international um markets around meta I
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do believe they're going to maintain some fact checking and Safety and Security because I do recognize that
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there's real danger overseas for people the the the I mean this has so many negative ramifications one of which
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being that news when they say smart mtic and Dominion have been weaponized in an election and
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they knew that was not true and decided to put it out anyways or promote it because they knew it would tickle the
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censors of their viewers and then Dominion says you have defamed us because this has hurt our business and
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you knew you were lying and the courts say yes this is qualifies as defamation you have to pay them $774
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million and and then iger's worried about a suit from the president retribution from the president and ABC
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has to pay the companies that are now having to spend a ton of money on moderation and are chilled and scared
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and have to stop an interview with me because I call someone a rapist instead of a sexual
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abuser folks be careful slow your role everyone from News Corp from The Wall Street Journal to the BBC to Wikipedia
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to The Washington Post they're all shrinking and going away and there's been all these articles recently about
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some anchors including anchors we know and love having to take pay cuts so congratulations your Lam stream media is
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going extinct and you're going to have to get all of your news from social media which is a [ __ ] food fight
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around which ever algorithm grabs the most novel I.E conspiracy I.E false narrative to punch out there I mean
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these traditional media Outlets do play an important role and they are having their wind pipes are being crushed right
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now

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Episode Highlights

  • Cultural Tipping Point
    The recent elections signal a cultural tipping point in prioritizing speech over moderation.
    “The recent elections feel like a cultural tipping point.”
    @ 00m 47s
    January 10, 2025
  • Zuckerberg's Shift in Policy
    Zuckerberg announces a shift towards prioritizing free expression, loosening hate speech rules.
    “We're going to get back to our roots and focus on reducing mistakes.”
    @ 00m 50s
    January 10, 2025
  • Meta Ends Fact-Checking Program
    Meta is ending its fact-checking program, raising concerns about misinformation and hate speech.
    “This is just another example of how social media is eroding democracy.”
    @ 01m 45s
    January 10, 2025
  • Concerns Over Violence and Misinformation
    The lack of moderation on social media can lead to real-world violence, as seen in Myanmar.
    “Look what happened in 2017 Myanmar; everything there was violence.”
    @ 02m 37s
    January 10, 2025
  • The Future of News
    As traditional media shrinks, social media becomes the primary news source, raising concerns.
    “Congratulations, your mainstream media is going extinct.”
    @ 10m 07s
    January 10, 2025

Episode Quotes

  • This is just another example of how social media is eroding democracy.
    Mark Zuckerberg and Meta's Dangerous Decision to End Fact Checking | Pivot
  • Where are the men that recognize their power?
    Mark Zuckerberg and Meta's Dangerous Decision to End Fact Checking | Pivot
  • You have to bend the knee to a kleptocrat?
    Mark Zuckerberg and Meta's Dangerous Decision to End Fact Checking | Pivot
  • Meta's ending fact checks is a broader repudiation of responsibility.
    Mark Zuckerberg and Meta's Dangerous Decision to End Fact Checking | Pivot
  • Traditional media outlets are having their wind pipes crushed right now.
    Mark Zuckerberg and Meta's Dangerous Decision to End Fact Checking | Pivot

Key Moments

  • Meta's New Direction00:11
  • Erosion of Democracy01:45
  • Concerns About Violence02:37
  • Censorship vs. Free Speech03:08
  • Media's Decline10:29

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