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OpenAI Shares New Details About History with Elon Musk

March 08, 2024 / 11:23

This episode discusses Elon Musk's legal claims against OpenAI, the company's response, and the implications of AI development. Key topics include Musk's desire for control over OpenAI, the recent open letter signed by major tech companies, and the competitive landscape in AI.

The hosts analyze Musk's attempts to gain majority equity and CEO control of OpenAI, highlighting his motivations as self-serving rather than altruistic. They reference a blog post from OpenAI that counters Musk's arguments and emphasize the company's successful trajectory without his involvement.

They also touch on the recent open letter signed by OpenAI, Google, and others, pledging to build AI responsibly. The hosts view this as a PR move but acknowledge its significance in the tech community.

Further discussions include the launch of Anthropic's Claude 3 AI model and the emergence of new competitors in the AI space, such as the company Perplexity. The hosts express the need for government involvement in AI regulation.

Finally, they discuss the potential risks of AI, particularly concerning disinformation and the radicalization of vulnerable individuals through AI algorithms.

TLDR

Elon Musk's legal claims against OpenAI spark discussions on control, AI ethics, and the competitive landscape in technology.

Episode

11:23
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open a says it intends to move to dismiss all of elon's musk's recent legal claims uh company shared more
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about their mission and their relationship with Elon in a blog post on Tuesday which included a number of old
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emails I love that they use them I use some in my book of his so you could understand what happened according to
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open AI they decided uh with Elon in late 2017 that the next step for the company was to create a for-profit
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entity and he it seems like he did agree Elon wanted M but he wanted majority Equity initial board control and to be
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CEO what a a narcissist this guy is he also withheld he did give money to them but he wanted everything for that
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he also withheld fun funding uh money during these discussions of course they turned to guess what Reed Hoffman
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there's other rich people Elon there's other rich people who think AI is cool uh open a is Coming Out Swinging with
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this post uh the Wall Street Journal has piece on how Elon Sam Bromance turned toxic uh which we've talked about I've
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known about this for a long time um I don't I don't know if he's he's going to move forward with the suit but these
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letters are kind of um interesting um also open AI is also on the PR move open AI Google meta and 300 others signed an
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open letter this week pledging to build AI for a better future this letter mentions a collective responsibility to
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maximize A's benefit and limit the risks as I'm posted about it on X say was excited for the spirit of this letter
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you know it's a it's a PR thing of course um so first uh uh we'll get to that but what do you think about uh
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their their thing did you read their blog post I love it I think that they I mean for all the for all the criticism
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wared criticism that Jack dorsy got I actually thought his board led by Brett Taylor literally just dissected picked
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apart and just just absolutely um draw and quartered all of elon's arguments in thoughtful measured ways when he was
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trying to back out of an agreement that he that he contractually signed up left right when he realized he'd overpaid for
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the thing in a fit of mania so I think it's I loved it I mean it's great reading it's just like okay let's be
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clear you gave us some money you then wanted to be the CEO you wanted to be the majority shareholder and it's clear
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you weren't doing this for Humanity you were doing it for control and wealth and
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we said no and found better options oh and by the way it worked out really well for us and our shareholders just FYI it
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looks as if this company without the benefit of your genius has done really well right and I mean it's just it's so
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obvious what's going on here and I find it I'm shocked he's not more embarrassed
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but we live in an economy now and in a society where it's like just get attention oh wait should I weigh in on
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the Disney proxy battle no I shouldn't I have no domain expertise here immigration stuff is so heinous this
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week but go ahead and it doesn't even matter and it's unfortunate because it's our fault it doesn't even matter how
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heinous or stupid or irrational my take is as long as I'm in the news as long as
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I'm in the news and that's where we are we're in attention economy it doesn't doesn't matter why you're in the news
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just as long as you're in the news and this guy is literally massively addicted to attention and a lot of these guys
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have some of the same addiction Bill Amman is a really smart guy he can't help himself he's like oh I got to weigh
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in on this issue now I got a weighin on Harvard's hedge fund I've got I'm going to do a multi-part series on hedge fund
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investing which I know nothing about and I'm just going to rant about it but go ahead sorry I'm going to do that yeah as
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long as you can get ink right that's her attitude it's such anyway I I I've read it I thought they did a great
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job I think they're going to clinically uh take them limb from limb yeah I agree
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I think what what you miss about someone like Alman and the people around him and
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I I think they're going to announce this spectacular board I'm hearing all kinds
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of different names they're talking to uh I think they announced a spectacular part you know even-handed board that's
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full of stars um I think this has been a huge mistake on elen's part and interestingly on threads Dustin movitz
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who was one of the early Facebook people is essentially saying tech people let's
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let's get together and start tell Sing people elon's a essentially this is what he's doing and he's
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ruining the Brand Tech by doing this and these guys let me just tell you they're
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just they're just like him in the ways they fight back they don't roll over and so this was a not roll over thing and I
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agree Brett Taylor did it effectively more quietly Sam is more aggressive he's more um and the group he's around
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they're they're like they know him right and they're going to come at him and showing his greed which is what this was
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essentially was perfect cuz he he tries to to uh virtue signal about how he cares about Humanity um and you know and
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then they sign the letter which look it's just whatever I just the pledge doesn't have them to anything but it
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gives them another like yes we do look we're signing with everybody um I think it's just fine to do that um it doesn't
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it doesn't it's just a good move the two things together are obviously linked um well done I have to say I'm excited
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to talk to Sam about it and I was I was worried he he would say nothing but I feel like he's going to say a lot about
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it on stage uh himself so uh we'll see on AI development anthropic just released Claude 3 its latest group of AI
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models the company says it's most advanced model exhibits near human levels of comprehensive influency uh
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this is this anthropic has um a uh investment from in from Amazon uh obviously um we're also hearing about
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this interesting company complexity is several people have asked me to meet the CEO looking to challenge Google's
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dominance in web search kind of interesting it just uh finalized new funding deal around a billion dollar
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valuation um really interesting company I'm going to meet with the CEO um uh you
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know it's an interesting time because even though these are all big players and you'd like to see not perplexity but
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um these are well-funded players it is really interesting to see this level of competition in the area again I still
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think that the government needs to be part of this um and and that that that we shouldn't not have they can virtu
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sign know what they want about uh this kind of thing but we definitely need the government involved too I um I just
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heard from Senator kachar that the Appropriations Committee stole basically an extra $45 million was supposed to go
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to the antitrust doj this was the adding to merger fees that actually passed and
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they're trying to to to claw it back from the justice department um for their and they're in the midst of all these
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antitrust cases um but I I I find that offensive that this was money to be used to help the government in certain areas
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um which they dearly needed and so the only piece missing here is government involvement too on a on in a smart way
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so that's what I would say thoughts um so a lot there so um someone called me and offered me in the secondary market
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shares an anthropic at evaluation of I think 18 billion which is their raising money and it's just so crazy um that
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valuation based on their metrics but it's I I don't know I'm kind of tempted and actually the reason I think I told
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you this I've been buying or started buying about a six nine months ago um claims against a bankrupt FTX so you buy
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them from the creditors and my total motivation for buying them was I read in the bankruptcy filing that they owned 8%
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of anthropic and I thought well that company's worth probably I thought I I I pegged it higher than that I thought
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that if open AI is worth 95 billion this company's probably worth 30 or 40 so I thought they're eight or nine million U
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eight or n billion in claims against a bankrupt FDX and I think their stake the way I did the math was their stake
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in um their stake in anthropic is worth two to three billion or you're going to get 30 cents on the dollar just from
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their anthropic stake and anything else they recover is gravy because when I started buying I was buying at 23 cents
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on the dollar anyways that my motivation for buying bankrupt claims against U FTX was
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anthropic or specifically FDX is staken anthropic anyway I because I'm hanging out with you and you and H Tammy had had
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took me to the White House I've gotten some calls from the White House who are working on AI and um they've been asking
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for advice around individuals and and their approach to it and what I said is look the thing you got to keep in mind
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is whenever you're speaking to a Jensen Hong or a Sam Alman they're very thoughtful guys absolutely speak to them
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but keep in mind their objective and their frame around everything Jensen hang is going to find really rational
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compelling reasons why he should be allowed to sell sophisticate sophisticated AI chips to
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China Sam is going to argue for you know in very thoughtful hush tones talk about
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what we have to be considerate sure self we know this yeah you have to get people
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on this board and Advising you that are totally charged with protecting the Commonwealth not not shareholders and
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the thing I don't like about a lot of these boards is we're so fascinated with people and the people that get the most
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airtime are these very compelling people who were the rush chairman in their fraternity or sorority who will talk
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their own book and that and they asked me to outline the two biggest risks I'm like in the short term hands down the
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biggest risk of AI is disinformation around the campaign and this is how I think it'll play out I think Putin using
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brilliant Ai and porous amoral management platforms and management respectively at social media firms will
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produce deep fake AI driven videos of Biden and it will be imperceptible it won't be totally blatant it'll be
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something along the lines of the following it it won't make Biden look 81 it'll make him look 84 a little bit more
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pause a little bit more shuffling of the feet it'll be imperceptible but it'll play into kind
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of our worst fears around the president and then the second thing and and this was they're all over that they know that
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the thing they didn't know is I think actually the biggest risk of AI is that if you look at a lot of the nationalists
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and the people who have are real deep conspiracy theorists it's not only young men it's a lot of men working in our
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armed services MH and I think young men because they are lonely and they don't have the economic opportunities they
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used to have and because they become much more prone to algorithms algorithms who see an opportunity to exploit their
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more risk aggressive behavior their loneliness their gambling addiction I mean if AI girlfriends pop up and these
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men continue to be more and more sequestered from society and AI starts getting a hold of them you could find
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some very scary individuals weaponized at our ports in our Navy this feels like a movie well it's funny you say that
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that's another talk show I'm like I think the biggest security threat to America terms of really the Homeland
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interesting is a group of young men who are susceptible to AI algorithms that will weaponize them and radicalize them
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well interestingly you're a sick but I I agree with you

Episode Highlights

  • OpenAI's Bold Move
    OpenAI dismisses Elon Musk's claims and shares their mission in a revealing blog post.
    “OpenAI is coming out swinging with this post.”
    @ 00m 45s
    March 08, 2024
  • AI's Future Responsibility
    OpenAI and other tech giants pledge to build AI for a better future, emphasizing collective responsibility.
    “This letter mentions a collective responsibility to maximize AI's benefit.”
    @ 01m 06s
    March 08, 2024
  • The Risks of AI
    Concerns arise over AI's potential to radicalize lonely individuals, posing a security threat.
    “The biggest security threat to America is a group of young men susceptible to AI algorithms.”
    @ 11m 03s
    March 08, 2024

Episode Quotes

  • What a narcissist this guy is.
    OpenAI Shares New Details About History with Elon Musk
  • It’s just so obvious what’s going on here.
    OpenAI Shares New Details About History with Elon Musk
  • We're in an attention economy.
    OpenAI Shares New Details About History with Elon Musk
  • This feels like a movie.
    OpenAI Shares New Details About History with Elon Musk

Key Moments

  • OpenAI's Blog Post00:07
  • Elon Musk's Control00:24
  • Attention Economy02:59
  • AI Risks10:15

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