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Did VP Debate Preview JD Vance's Future? | Pivot

October 04, 2024 / 06:10

This episode covers the VP debate between Governor Tim Walls and Senator JD Vance, focusing on immigration, abortion, and election topics. The discussion highlights the candidates' performances, with Walls appearing likable and Vance being described as intelligent and thoughtful.

Key moments include Vance's interruption regarding fact-checking rules, which led to moderators cutting their mics. The debate was noted for its civility compared to typical presidential debates.

Listeners hear contrasting views on Vance's performance, with some praising his ability to handle tough questions while others criticize his tendency to avoid direct answers, particularly regarding the 2020 election.

The conversation also touches on the implications of this debate for future elections, suggesting Vance may be a strong contender for the GOP nomination in 2028.

Overall, the episode reflects on the state of American politics and the candidates' brands, with a focus on how they presented themselves during the debate.

TLDR

Governor Tim Walls and Senator JD Vance debated immigration and abortion, showcasing civility and potential future political implications for Vance.

Episode

6:10
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voters are split 50-50 after Governor Tim Walls and Senator JD Vance faced off in a VP debate on Tuesday according to a
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political political poll the two VP candidates discussed immigration abortion and other election Tums people
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kind of liked it they said it was civil and interesting um during the convers although there were some moments uh
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during the conversation on immigration moderators cut the mics of both candidates when Vance interrupted to say
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the hosts were not supposed to be factchecking him per debate rules he shouldn't have done that he
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looked like an idiot another stand no he he looks strong there Cara no did not dumb like just answer the question he
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was wrong they said they weren't going to fact check and that was fact check no they didn't quite say that they didn't
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it was it was n necessary what they said at the beginning of the debate we're not
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going to fact check and they fact checked he called them out for it no lots of people didn't like that um
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another standout moment Vance refused to answer the question whether he believes
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Trump lost the 2020 election this was a weak point which wals called a damning non-answer but also again it was noly
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more civil than presidential debates a lot of people were noting on that what are your overall takeaways you go first
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the biggest winner here was America it demonstrated how our elected representatives are supposed to acquit
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themselves they were respectful they didn't interrupt each other a lot I thought uh Margaret and and noro Donald
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Margaret Brennan did a fantastic job and it just made me feel better about being
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an American and it contrasted the chaos and [ __ ] and childlike behavior that happens when Trump is in any room or in
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something like a debate uh the next biggest winner was JD Vance he came across as very intelligent
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reason thoughtful his agility around I mean you got to keep in mind he's playing with a much worse hand than
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walls walls can say to him hey does your boss believe that Biden won the election
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and and Vance was able to say well okay first off Hillary Clinton didn't didn't um believe there was election for give
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me some give some Running Room he he counters with Hillary Clinton did the same thing and censorship is worse okay
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you're right that is the mother of all FAL equivalences secretary Clinton showed up at the inauguration and she
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conceded right censorship is [ __ ] ridiculous in this red herring anyone who claims censorship won't shut the
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[ __ ] up and has a top podcast and is everywhere but I got to give it to the guy he took he took chicken [ __ ] and
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made it mostly chicken salad and and given the hand he's been dealt he did really well I thought walls started off
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shaky got better they both cemented their brand as Wall's brand is likable and he's very he was very likable and
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Vance's brand is intelligent and he came off as very intelligent and the big winner here other than America was Vance
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because quite frankly coming out of this debate Vance and my view is probably the
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top Contender for the GOP nomination in 2028 I thought I think you saw the future of the Republican part party at
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that yeah I I do I thought you know he's a he he's a he lies a lot just more deafly I'm sorry he just there's several
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lies he told her and that's not a good thing like so he managed to normalize his lies and I don't know if that's a
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positive thing um he certainly a serious Contender that is no question about that
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and I think he acquits himself well he's still a creepy person who does has an issue with women it's a real which he
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didn't let out he didn't show that M he didn't take the m askk off on that thing
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but some of his other comments are disturbing if you go back in in any interview they're disturbing in the
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extreme we're talking about the debate I agree with you yeah the debate yes but that the reason I'm saying it's
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disturbing is that he he also is very good at masking himself as a normal person and he's not normal but doesn't
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every politician have to do that who the [ __ ] would want to do this I when I look
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at some of these you got to go back and look at these interview Scott they're distur nobody talks this um and so I
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think he's able to normalize his very dark view of humanity in a way that um that you know I like it would if he
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wasn't such a dark character I would say this was a really nice civil thing and every politician lies but he manages to
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take anything where there's a false equivalency and try to really he he cannot miss a moment of lying like about
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something like he just can't admit anything very much he can't say yes this is a problem no this is and I want would
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like our public officials to say I made a mistake or that yes this was wrong he he cannot do that as as a person what is
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he going to say I hate my mother and as a result I'm a deep dark misogynist and I'm supporting a guy who I generally
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think is the American Hitler I mean I agree with everything you said he he was very good yeah he was no he is really
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good I still don't think it matters in any way whatsoever and I but I do think it sets him up up for the future it's
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already out of the news cycle it was you know what it was it was mostly it was a
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split decision a split a split decision amongst the VP debate is pretty much a nothing burger right exactly so and it
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doesn't really matter but I do you do have to see who's going you know as you say the Actuarial tables show that this
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guy might be president so that's why we're paying attention to him right because Donald Trump is old and
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obviously speaking of which addled beyond belief this last speech you gave and finally The Washington Post wrote
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about it very you know they wrote about it with Joe Biden all the time Donald Trump
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it wasn't just a crazy word salad that he usually is there's something happening to him cognitively that is
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very I I don't know what it is but it was really pronounced this past week um and it's he's either drugged or um
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something has gone wrong and it's not as usual couple crazy nothing's gone wrong
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it's called being 78 and with a history of Alzheimer's in your family that's I kept thinking what
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is happening to this guy's words um anyway and I think we should call it out because I called out for Biden I think
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Donald Trump is cognitive stabled um so this guy might be president that's all I'm saying that's why it matters

Episode Highlights

  • Civil Debate
    The debate showcased a respectful exchange between candidates, contrasting with past chaotic events.
    “The biggest winner here was America.”
    @ 01m 02s
    October 04, 2024
  • Vance's Strong Performance
    JD Vance impressed viewers with his intelligence and agility during the debate.
    “He came across as very intelligent and thoughtful.”
    @ 01m 32s
    October 04, 2024
  • Concerns About Trump
    Discussion arose regarding Donald Trump's cognitive state and its implications for his future.
    “This guy might be president, that's all I'm saying.”
    @ 06m 03s
    October 04, 2024

Episode Quotes

  • The biggest winner here was America.
    Did VP Debate Preview JD Vance's Future? | Pivot
  • It just made me feel better about being an American.
    Did VP Debate Preview JD Vance's Future? | Pivot
  • He took chicken [ __ ] and made it mostly chicken salad.
    Did VP Debate Preview JD Vance's Future? | Pivot
  • He cannot miss a moment of lying.
    Did VP Debate Preview JD Vance's Future? | Pivot
  • This guy might be president, that's all I'm saying.
    Did VP Debate Preview JD Vance's Future? | Pivot

Key Moments

  • Vance's Non-Answer00:47
  • Civility in Politics01:02
  • Split Decision05:04
  • Trump's Cognitive State05:36

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