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Biden vs. Trump: Debate Strategies | Pivot

June 25, 2024 / 14:09

This episode discusses the upcoming presidential debate between Joe Biden and Donald Trump, moderated by Jake Tapper and Dana Bash. Key topics include debate strategies, polling data, and potential discussion points for each candidate.

The debate is notable for being the earliest in modern history, with Biden and Trump facing off for the first time since October 2020. A recent Marist poll shows a tight race, with Biden slightly ahead, which has reportedly unsettled Trump.

Scott provides insights on how the debate format may favor Biden, particularly with muted microphones and no live audience. He suggests Biden should focus on the economy and immigration while avoiding Trump's legal issues.

Trump's strategy should involve highlighting issues in democratically controlled cities and universities, while he should avoid discussing the 2020 election results. Both candidates need to present themselves as capable leaders.

The episode also touches on Trump's potential vice presidential pick and speculations about the Supreme Court's decision regarding Trump's immunity case, indicating ongoing political tensions.

TLDR

Biden and Trump prepare for a pivotal debate with strategies and polling insights discussed.

Episode

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Joe Biden and former president Donald Trump are set to face off on Thursday for the earliest presidential debate in
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modern history by like a lot usually it's September uh the debate hosted by CNN U moderated by Jake tappa Jake
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Tapper uh and Dana Bash uh be the first time uh Biden and Trump have gone head-to-head or have been in the same
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room since our last debate in October of 2020 I don't think they like each other
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a Marist poll from last week shows a dead heat between the candidates and actually uh gliden was up a little bit
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he's been going up a little bit including a Fox News pole which is making uh president Trump Lo former
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president Trump lose his mind which is not very far to go um so let's talk about strategery Scott now here you are
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going into this debate I talked about a little bit on the Chris walls show this week but um what is the strategery just
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for some more background RFK Jr did not make the cut for the debate falling short in ballot qualification and
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polling he's making a lot of noise the debate rules just for people to know and then I love your thoughts on this no
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live audience no prop allow on stage microphones will be muted when it's not a candidate's turn to speak I believe
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they have two minutes Biden won the coin toss and selected his Podium position on
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the right side of the screen Trump then chose to have the last word uh in closing statements um so so what do we
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think give me a give me a what Biden should this is the question we asked on Chris Wall I that it was a good one does
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this does this setup help which one from if you are the marketing guy here figuring out sort of the Optics of it
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which one do you think this set helps oh it's total team Biden in terms of Advantage interesting uh Trump is so
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quick and outrageous on his feet and so plays to the crowd and tickles people's sensors and all all that him constantly
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interrupting people it just throws the other person off you know off-kilter so them shutting off the mic is totally
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advantageous to Biden there would be some crazy I think Democrats tend to be a little bit more civil than maybe Maga
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people he's not going to show up with a bunch of people who've ACC I mean do you
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remember the [ __ ] Clint Clinton so he creates a sideshow in a carnival which throws the
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other person off their feet and the strategy here is really simple okay let's talk about the economy I wouldn't
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I wouldn't I wouldn't go to all right let me get what is the one thing Biden should avoid and one thing he should
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lean into and what is the one thing Trump should avoid and lean into um if I were if if I were um if I were Biden I
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would stay away from the Trump court cases I think that people will go there on their own and um I don't think he I
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think he wants to talk about the economy and bodily autonomy and how he is he is
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actually taking action against immigration I would go very very almost conservative and hard right on
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immigration and say now if the Republicans would only help me solve the crisis at the border and I would talk
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about the economy I would talk about numbers I would be very kind of adult almost like an economist and I would
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would end the debate with the following awkward pause my last question to our viewers tonight after thinking CNN is do
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you have daughters and I would just leave the air empty for a few seconds very good I like that he many
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people think he should not you know how Reagan did that fantastic uh rejoiner but I'm not going to let my age take
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advantage he's not witty like that and so he should he have a joke in his pocket though about his
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age Trump goes there because Trump's got some COG of dingy dongs happening constantly now yeah I mean he should
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have a couple he should have prepackaged two or three when someone brings up age
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you should come up with you know say look look we're we're you know we're we're both probably consumers of
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catheters I I would make jokes that to remind everybody that the guy across this the stage from me is also really
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[ __ ] old folks so yeah you hate us both whatever whatever you want to talk about but him not having a hot mic um if
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I were if I were um and if I were Trump I would talk a lot about what's happened
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on universities when Democrats take over institutions and what's happened in democratically controlled cities that's
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where I would focus if I were if I were uh if I were Trump chaos crime and Chaos
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sort of the Nixon kind of thing well the most Dem I mean the arguments they should make and this is what media they
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should roll every day is this is what happens when democratically controlled leadership takes over an institution
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look at what's happened to our Elite universities this is what happens when Democrats get control of a city even if
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if it has a ton of money this is what happens is it is it okay go downtown San Francisco is this what you want the
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country to be I realize that's not fair I realize you love San Francisco that is
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just from a perception standpoint you're coming with me there okay yeah go ahead
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it's Chang but go ahead I agree I live there it may be wonderful I'm just talking pure perception people yeah I
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got people who've never been there for some reason think it's a hellscape right now unfairly or fairly and also to be
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fair like Portland and Seattle are really I have been to those cities recently they've changed a lot they have
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they have I agree with you so so one of the things that what should Trump not do
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because one some people think he will be calmer where and he can't be jacked up that's the thing and so he'll be the if
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you recall the first debate with Biden and this is a long time ago he was you know cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs really you
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know stand back and stand by interruptive crazy and all Biden had to say is come on man you know he kept
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doing and Biden sort of won that debate the second one it looked like he was druged and calmer so what some people
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think no live audience no props microphones muted will make him into reasonable Trump so yeah I don't I don't know I
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mean that I would never advise it's like Michael Michael Jackson used to show up
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with one glove and grab his crotch I don't think any amount of prep would have told him to do it and yet it was
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genius at the time you're like okay it works for him I don't know how to advise Trump
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because every piece of advice I would have would be try and act more sane because that's people's fear around you
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and try not to be all over the place try and focus on try and come across as people you want to look at points of
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Distinction and then press on those points of Distinction the the reason Biden will if Biden loses this election
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it'll be because of the following the people see him is too feeble to be commanderin-chief that is the only
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reason he will lose yep and so you want to press on that and so Trump wants to come across as distinctly more robust
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and young and part of that is cognitive capability so if I Was preparing Trump I
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would say you need to have command of the of the issues you need to come across as somewhat sane you need to come
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across as youthful and vigorous laugh poke fun of yourself and have real command of the data you need to you need
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to draw sharp relief between you and the old man that's what my advice to be yeah
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the problem is like everywhere he goes he's he's missing words now he's doing a lot of stuff and obviously has a family
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history this but um of dementia but one of the things that I think is problematic and I I spoke to a lot of
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people in that CEO Summit they were surp now look they're going to back Trump because it's good for them in tax cuts
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let me just say and someone who was there saying they thought he was crazy they're still going to back him right um
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he was losing words he was going off on tangents this was a crowd that was welcoming to him um this CEO group uh
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the business round table and um and were was willing to like Overlook the Insurrection kind of stuff for for a tax
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cut and I talked to a number of people who are like whoa like whoa like that kind
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of thing so I think that's where he I don't know how much he has control over that or is willing to do that I think
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one of the things he cannot do is talk about losing the election that's it was stolen a great he cannot he cannot Look
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Backwards but he can't get off of that I you stole the election you stole the election that thing is if he does that
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it's an opportunity animates him yeah if he does that if he does that it's a huge opportunity
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for Biden Biden needs to be ready to go and go okay 43 cases zero credibility you know just XY Z what's the difference
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between every what's the difference between us and every other Nation we we have people who can see all you know
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Biden has to be ready to really like drive a train through that I think Trump can't help it I everything he and then
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the other thing he's saying the last thing I'd say is he's all saying that Biden's getting a shot in the ass which
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means Trump is getting a shot in the ass right like every he says I'm like oh that's what you're doing like that he's
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getting special drugs I mean Trump looks like he's taking every drug in town like
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it feel like a zic it looks like he's Biden needs to practice the age-old adage about being interviewed don't
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answer the question they ask answer the question you want to ask at some point he needs to say the following Trump
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threatened to tried to ban Tik Tok and carve it up we have actually banned it or investing it with a plan that will
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pass Muster that makes sense Biden constantly you know uh you know Trump talks about safety in the Middle East we
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sent two aircraft carriers over there and we are we have we have so far sequestered this from becoming a more
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regional conflict he needs to say okay Trump talks a big game but we actually we actually you know we have some
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overlap here you agreed you thought Tik Tok was a national threat I want to give
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you credibility for it we've actually done something about it you talk a big game about being an ally to Israel we're
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actually the real Ally here one of us has has deployed an aircraft carrier there right yeah you know yeah I think
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that's true I think one of the interesting things going into is the money raising now Trump is they thought
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this would happen but he's raised 141 million in May Biden raised 85 million um he was way ahead Biden um 53 million
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came in from pump 24 hours after the hush money verdict of course he's really done very well by being a felon um
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there's also uh I think that'll ultimately even out and depends on where they spend it I don't know what else to
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say I don't think there's going to be a big deficit between them um Trump VP uh speculation he's making a circus of it
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he revealed this weekend he knows whose pick will be although he hasn't told the
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person yet the future BP canid will most likely be at the debate according to Trump um top contenders JD Vance Marco
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Rubio Tim Scott I think I've settled on bergham at this point you know he's managing to carry the water for him and
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seems not as nuts as the others I think he doesn't like Marco Rubio I think he thinks JD Vance will take attention from
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him Tim Scott looks like a Toady so so much so so it's suspect it's bergam South Dakota governor Christin n appears
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to be out of the running she indicated on Meet the Press formally P yeah no he doesn't he does that makes sense he
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doesn't have any pets that makes sense um so uh so any just make a guess and then I'll ask you a last question well I
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don't know I I think it's probably going to be Bergen but just one last thing if
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I were on the Trump team sure I would hammer over and over I just to be snarky I would go I would go 100% I'd be like
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well president har and he's like you better get used to that if he really wants to go gangster he'd say the
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following you're not voting for Joe Biden you're voting for president Harris just wrap your head around that because
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she's deeply unpopular yeah I think you're right I hate to say it but I think that would
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work really well we'll see if he comes up with it uh Meanwhile we're still waiting for the Supreme Court's decision
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on the Trump immunity case what in the world are they doing over there at the Supreme Court the next batch of opinions
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will be released on Wednesday they've got a lot to go and they've got a very short term to do it in uh the day before
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the debates we get a decision then um the immunity decision I think they're probably like wrangling over it right I
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think alito's been hurt probably with the flag situation um but uh in terms of power
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but I suspect they're trying to come I have this feeling that Amy con Barrett's just not going along with the boys at
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this point on this kind of thing but who knows um she seems to have formed relationships with the other women on
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the court which is interesting um what do you think of this not on abortion obviously but um what do you think do
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this affect it I think that's wishful thinking that she's siding with I know I know but lately she has been I don't
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know it's just interesting yeah I think she's gotten uh hanging around other people and she's so smart like let's be
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honest she Godly or not she's as Smart Sharp As a attack schol um it'll be I I don't know I just think it's she's
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probably with the uh judge Jackson who's also oh Jesus what a brain um I suspect
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that's the thing that appeals to her even religious gals who are brainy love the brainy part more than anything
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ultimately I don't know that's my wishful thinking is that they're all having like their like hanging and and
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and squatting up or something by the way you said something that struck so try and clear your mind and just first
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answer uh Biden Harris Trump Bergen or Tapper bash who would you rather be president and vice president
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seriously Dana Bash are you kidding I think Dana's fantastic I think Jake is fantastic if I'm not I'm not
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exaggerating who would you think would do a better job younger probably I I if if if and maybe I'm being sexist because
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I immediately thought of Jake Tapper as the president and Dana as number two looks like but quite frankly I think
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they're both super impressive thoughtful people who know how to Jake Cher for president if if they
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were on the ticket like that they were on the ticket yeah uh that they got my vote that those are the two I vote for
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Cuban I told those two should be on stage not asking the questions I want cubes to run he'll be in the race for
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2028 when he starts bragging about paying his taxes he's clearly positioning himself for a run and I hope
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he runs he's very articulate about all kind super smart super impressive guy yeah probably what 2028 unless Trump
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wins and ruins democracy will be really interesting on both parties it'll be really it change it'll change year uh
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and maybe we'll all be a little better who knows

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Episode Highlights

  • Biden vs. Trump: The Showdown
    The first presidential debate between Biden and Trump since 2020 is set to unfold.
    “I don't think they like each other.”
    @ 00m 20s
    June 25, 2024
  • Debate Strategies Unveiled
    Experts discuss strategies for Biden and Trump ahead of the debate.
    “If I were Biden, I would stay away from the Trump court cases.”
    @ 02m 30s
    June 25, 2024
  • Trump's Debate Dilemma
    Trump's past debate behavior raises questions about his performance this time.
    “If he does that, it's a huge opportunity for Biden.”
    @ 07m 58s
    June 25, 2024

Episode Quotes

  • I don't think they like each other.
    Biden vs. Trump: Debate Strategies | Pivot
  • If I were Biden, I would stay away from the Trump court cases.
    Biden vs. Trump: Debate Strategies | Pivot
  • Trump's got some COG of dingy dongs happening constantly.
    Biden vs. Trump: Debate Strategies | Pivot
  • If he does that, it's a huge opportunity for Biden.
    Biden vs. Trump: Debate Strategies | Pivot
  • You're not voting for Joe Biden, you're voting for President Harris.
    Biden vs. Trump: Debate Strategies | Pivot

Key Moments

  • Poll Results00:22
  • Debate Rules00:55
  • Biden's Strategy02:30
  • Trump's Challenges05:05
  • Supreme Court Speculation11:16

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