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match group home of Tinder and other dating apps is being sued for creating addictive products the lawsuit claims
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the business model is predatory and rewards compulsive use accusing the company of negligence and violation of
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consumer protection laws uh the accusation of similarities to litigation other social platforms have faced about
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knowingly designing addictive features in a statement match called loss out ridiculous and said it had zero Merit
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the suit also seeks damages for people who paid to use the apps and new warnings about risk uh risk of addiction
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I I don't know what to say say I I feel like that the I'm kind of on match's
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side it's ridiculous you're kidding dating apps are addictive yeah tell us
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something we don't know I don't I mean it feels like it'd be not just cocaine
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but crack cocaine not only do they implement the same sort of um you know gamification and visual stimulation and
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random rewards that Tristan Harris talked about they create that slot M machine effect which you cons andoba by
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just pulling the arm again but when you're thinking about the opportunity for a romantic or you know a romantic
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relationship um and you get evaluation or you get feedback you know some positive but mostly negative especially
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if you're a man on these apps I can't imagine these apps wouldn't be addictive
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how could they not be addictive I don't know is there a lawsuit here though yeah tell us
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something we don't know alcohol is addictive okay what do we do about it so this is why this is the only reason I'm
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asking and I'm going to play devil's advocate here is we we think social
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media platforms should be held accountable for what it does to teen girls or addiction and stuff like that
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and we think that's okay is this any different or not well the only thing that's I mean these things get pretty
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mous pretty fast fake profiles where they give people the sense that there's
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more opportunity and build their hopes when there isn't you know that's pretty
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that's sort of that's just immoral that's just not but they're not doing
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anything that any other app that's selling sneakers or washing machines is doing trying to create you to just stick
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on the app I don't yeah but how's it different than social media because I
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know you and I it isn't it isn't so should but we think social media should
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be subject to lawsuits around addiction or not because it definitely has self-esteem issues which is linked to
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addiction of using them right so just well it's not okay to try and addiction
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itself I think is so complic ated to prove in a court I think what we've advocated for is that around Health as
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it relates to kids maybe even elections that's similar to the rest of media they
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should not have section 230 protection such that if they find that in fact Facebook is sending out emails to girls
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teen girls with images helping them kill themselves that they have some liability
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for that we're not going to even go to trying to prove what is addictive or what isn't addictive because ice cream
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is addictive right we're going we're going to go to liability now if if if
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kids if if they are lying to people and saying okay there's a ton of really hot
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interesting people here who are really interested in you and they fake profiles and they're not such that you spend more
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money that's fraud right but I don't I don't I don't you know we have big laws
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around addiction we tried to Outlaw we tried to outlaw alcohol didn't work I I
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don't I think that's tough to figure out I I suppose like on cigarettes there's
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warnings right maybe they could have warnings on them in this regard mning pursuing love is addictive or bad for
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your health Addicted to Love play that song I look apps I've never been on a
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dating app although my nickname at the office was swipe left I love that was it what all the kids used to call me Swip
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oh that's funny that means you don't I've never been on a dating app is is
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that mean do that mean you don't like them no I what I advise people which is
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Swip left tell me I don't Swip left is I'm not interested oh okay got it okay
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okay I like that I'm going to call you that swi left thanks for that I personally would I advise single people
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I I think it's easy to be a purist when you're when when you're in a when you're
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in a relationship if I were single yeah I would be accepting every in invitation
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to a dinner party I'd be letting my friends know that I was single I'd be
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politely and in a dignified way when I met people professionally following up and seeing if they might be interested
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in coffee and trying to sense if they were in fact interested in me in more than professional relationship which I
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think is okay one and three relationships begin at work and I'd be on the apps because the most rewarding
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thing in your life is going to be finding a romantic and sexual partnership where maybe someday you
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decide to partner together economically and have children and you know what it's
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really hard and it requires effort and rejection and I I say do it all I I see all the negatives that
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there's a great story and I forget who wrote I think it was G oh she's a Vanity
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Fair reporter wrote a great story about sort of the way men treat women on these
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apps and I didn't like it it was really kind of repulsive um and when actually I
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think it's the opposite car I know and let me just finish let me so I there's
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lots of issues with these apps including fra bad profiles etc etc and sort of the
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way people treat each other is kind of um interchangeable and fungible um which I don't like but that happens in life at
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bars too so it's not like a new FR thing um on the whole I've had heard as many
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as horror stories there are I think there's been a lot of really wonderful stories of people meeting on these
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things many of my friends met on apps me and are married it's been great for the
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community many many many yeah absolutely and not always it's sometimes can be
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very uh Lonesome I I talked to a lot of gay men about it you know it's more transactional it is what it is in that
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regard but um I think they makes them a friend of mine keeps taking it off his app because it makes him feel bad Louie
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took a had a dating app he took it off made him feel bad um uh you know I just I've never used them so I don't have I
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can't speak from experience but I do think on the whole they're kind of okay
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just like I think they're better than bars in some cases bars can be really depressing I think what what dating apps
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do is they speedball a market and that is because everybody thinks they have access technically to everybody they in
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some instances women increase their standards and you can't tell a woman to to not increase her standards right the
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problem is is that the top 10% of men get 80 plus perc of the interest letting them engage in what I'll call Porsche
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polygamy which doesn't which doesn't incentivize them to establish long-term relationships and quite
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frankly lets them get away with probably what is not great Behavior at the same time if you want as a man who is if
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you're 5'8 and you're not making hundreds of thousands of dollars and
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maybe you're not great-looking and maybe you didn't graduate from MIT you don't
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have a chance to be funny you don't have a chance to demonstrate your kind you
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don't have a chance to demonstrate that you have wonderful body language or confident it's all about online
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essentially with women it's their Aesthetics and with guides it's their ability to Signal resources but the
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difference is men have lower standards and will swipe right a lot more a lot of people end up lonely and if you want to
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talk to validation the men what I'll call the lower half of attractiveness on
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basic economic viability you want to you want to find a means of validating they
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have no Worth to the opposite sex they should just go on dating apps it's really brutal for what I'll call an
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average man yep no 100% again I've never been on them never on them I don't know why I
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just don't know I'm too famous