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Meta and Tesla Earnings Unpacked | Pivot

April 26, 2024 / 14:22

This episode covers Meta's Q1 earnings, Tesla's performance, and the impact of AI investments on both companies. Key discussions include Mark Zuckerberg's focus on AI, Tesla's declining revenue, and the competitive landscape in technology.

Meta reported a 27% increase in revenue, reaching $28.6 billion, with net income more than doubling to $12.37 billion. Despite this success, Zuckerberg's forecast of rising AI costs led to a 15% drop in share price. The conversation highlights the lack of a clear revenue plan for Meta's AI initiatives.

Tesla's revenue fell 9% to $21.3 billion, marking its biggest decline since 2012. The hosts discuss Elon Musk's focus on AI and robotics, while questioning the sustainability of Tesla's current business model amid increasing competition.

The episode also touches on the shift towards video content on Meta's platforms, noting that video now represents over 60% of user engagement on Facebook and Instagram. The hosts discuss how this pivot has been successful for Meta, especially with recent legislative changes favoring the company.

Overall, the conversation reflects on the contrasting strategies of Meta and Tesla, with a focus on the implications of their respective investments in AI and the challenges they face in the evolving tech landscape.

TLDR

Meta's earnings soar while Tesla faces revenue decline amid AI investment discussions.

Episode

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there's a lot of earnings news out there this week let's start with meta's q1 the
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company saw Revenue increased 27% uh from 28.6 uh 5 billion in the same period last year net income more than doubled
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to 12.37 billion this this company is making some money but meta's forecast of rising costs related to AI they've
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replaced a you know their um virtual reality stuff with AI sent which is very expensive sent its share price down 15%
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in extended Trading it's going to cost some money for them to get into this business Mark Zuckerberg said on the
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earnings call that his immediate goal is getting millions or billions of people using meta AI with Revenue coming down
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the line they do not have Revenue plans that's one thing we need to stress a lot
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of this AI doesn't have a business plan yet um and or there's it's a small business plan um and there's
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anticipation of huge profits in the future so he's doubling down on doing this um and at the same time is current
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business is killing it right I mean thoughts I it's arguably unfortunately for our children this is one of the best
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run companies in the world it's just uh the amount of money here they're Printing and he's the what what was I
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thought the most interesting thing about their earnings call relative to Tesla was Tesla's
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massive uh investment in AI you know um musk was bragging about how many gpus they'd order ordered because he's trying
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to create a distraction the fact his core businesses well let me get let me put those earnings you can let's talk
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about the let's talk about metaph first so should a lot of should he be focusing
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on the other parts of his business no because that's he's going to have this is something we were both making fun of
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his uh investments in virtual reality and uh Occulus you know all the metaverse stuff you know and changing
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the name we thought that was ridiculous and a waste of money and throwing money down a down a toilet essentially in this
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case do you think the spending which is going to be massive is he's got to be in
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here right this is not a choice so I can't I I can't predict if these Investments are going to pay off but I
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think they have to make them I I just yeah when you have when you have the Premier Technology eating the world and
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the market the market seems to offer you a return on investment on that the perception that you're investing here I
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mean to a certain extent even to St despite the fact let me back up Microsoft has spent more money on AI
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than every other company in venture capitalist I believe combined if you look at Microsoft and
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its Affiliates and its proxies it is in Sachin nadela is now considered in my opinion the probably
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the brightest minding business and I mean there's a lot of them but his forward lean his forward leaning
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investments in AI have increased the market cap of that company probably one or one to$ 1.4 trillion dollar offer of
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a huge investment but relative to $1.4 trillion it's the best corporate investment it's probably arguably the
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best Venture investment in history and so everyone says we can't be the company that got behind I mean quite frankly
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Mark uh the supposedly the brightest man in technology musk he's way behind in AI
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he talks about it a lot he doesn't have a single real victory in AI it's not his
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he's known in AI for walking away from the most successful AI company ever without a single sh or anything so he's
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trying to play catchup and everyone so I I think Mark Zuckerberg taking his forward-leaning Investments which he can
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afford out of virtual reality into AI that just feels right as rain to me yeah yeah I agree I mean look his main
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business right now is going to carry him through look at these increases he owns
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the current business environment right it looks like uh you know these numbers are really impressive um and it's sort
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of like Microsoft's owning windows and leaning into the future right like where they wanted to lean and uh when they
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leaned into Cloud for example it's a but this is so much more expensive it's just
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they he has to do this and I think people were thrilled when he was making cuts to employees but this stuff is
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expensive and it's also we have to build new Fabs we it's just there's going to be enormous investment here um for this
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and and as we get into Quantum Computing and he just can't he cannot miss this turn or else another company will will
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will take over the all the next version of business even without a business plan
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that people can foresee at this moment um but it's almost like shifting from horses to cars that's what it you know
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the other we're going to have cars the other big shift that just really blew me away meta is essentially a video company
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video now represents more than 60% of time yeah on both Facebook and Instagram on Instagram isn't that your experience
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now with it it's pretty much video but it wasn't that way just 2 or 3 years ago I mean if you think about just how
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TV is on Instagram reals makes up 50% of the time that's spent on Instagram and that's a new product and
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it's a video-based product it's not images it's not Stills it's video I mean people people constantly criticize
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including myself meta for its inability to come up with new products it's not good at Hardware but technically
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speaking they pivot or supplemental or their Venture into video has been enormously successful and also they're
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getting a big bump this week from the the the um Tik Tock Bill passing and Biden signing it I mean this has been
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this is going to this is going to it's a waterfall to all companies and especially Facebook this is this has
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been the greatest there's a great story in the Washington posit to how these legislators quietly got together to do
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this but they got a lot of lift from Facebook he's been talking about this he talked about it with me in 2019 he's
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been aiming at Tik Tok and China for years and now he's gotten his reward I I do think we just but but I don't think
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it's a fair to come play off because let's talk about the Tesla's earnings you were talking about them investing
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their profit fell 55% to 1.1 billion quite a small company from the first quarter of 2023 and revenue fell um 9%
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to 23 uh 21.3 billion the biggest decline since 20 uh 2012 the drop in sales was steeper than Tesla's last
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decline in 2020 which was due to disrupted production during covid uh Tesla put the focus on some of its other
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efforts he's the jazziest hands of jazz hands on earnings call including accelerating the launch of more
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affordable models which she didn't give any details about cyber taxis which he didn't really give any details about um
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and everything else um he's been doing a number of things to try to Jazz up the stock and the one thing that did affect
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people is Cuts job cuts which immediately someone asked me why the stock went up and I said because he's
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doing job cuts and you can do the math right essentially um these numbers are rough numbers but the stock has been
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going up in the last few days largely I think because of cost savings that will will you'll see on the bottom line for
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the next earnings um thoughts on on this they're trying to create any sort of misdirect or weapon of mass distraction
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from the fact it's an automobile company that's attracted a lot of competition and will ultimately trade it uh like an
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automobile company so they went out of their way to talk about the fact that their energy storage business would grow
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at least 75% from 2023 but that's a pimple on the elephant of this company and they're just trying and and then
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they're saying and we're spending all of this money on AI and when Elon Musk goes
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into a new category watch out and people should pay attention because he is a genius around you know Innovation but
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they're trying to talk about anything but they're core well that's a that's a different
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talk show in the sense that I mean one of the reasons meta is performing is Mark Zuckerberg is not launching Rockets
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into space or you know buying you know buying Sky Media or whatever he's not buying Myspace musk is very distracted
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with a lot of different things and this is an automobile company so they're trying to say look over here AI look
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over here you know our energy business but here's the thing if you look at um if you look at Tesla Google trades a 20
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times Enterprise Value deb. Google's 20 met is 21 Microsoft is 26 these are both
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quite frankly better businesses Tesla despite being the worst performing stock year-to date in the S&P trades it 35
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times now let's compare that to auto companies for to 16 times GM is seven times byd their biggest competitor is
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trades at six times so if Tesla just normalizes across big Tech it's going to get cut in half again and if Tesla if
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people finally acknowledge wake up from their hallucination and realize this is not a mobile company it's probably down
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50 to 80% in the next year yeah well he he does not want to be called a dead car he actually in the
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call very not noted this um uh he said we should be thought of as an AI robotics Company If You value Tesla as
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an auto comp just an auto company just the wrong framework if you ask the wrong question then the right answer is
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impossible he's really he's really a clever piece of person robotics yeah that's what he said mhm
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it's a car I get it but he's he's of course pushing the Affordable Car forward they
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were going to have a more affordable car um which they were delayed and now he's
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going to do them earlier I he's got a deliver he's just got he can't make these Pro you know he's his mouth is
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making a lot of promises he can't possibly deliver but yes he's an AI robotics company as what they're doing
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um and that's his line that's his okay let's see it let's see I to me I'm just like show us the money show us the money
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kind of thing um he went on to encourage the autonomous non-believers to get lost
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of course this is what he always does he can't possibly make a statement without
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saying something obnoxious if somebody doesn't believe in that Tesla is going to solve autonomy I think they should
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not be an investor in this company and we will and we are that is his bet that is his thing he's made a lot of promises
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he never C kept um he really feels that uh when when tesed switches on on full self-driving he calls he's going to say
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it's going to be the the biggest asset value appreciation in history um so he sounds like Kathy Wood he should get a
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you should go through transition and wear chunky glasses and start a hedge fund that loses a lot of money well you
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know what I think if he could come out with more affordable cars he'd be in a better position but the overall Market's
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harder and the China competition and the competition competition I just you want
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to get into an affordability competition with China yeah you want to get into an
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affordability race with the Ben Johnson of of affordability see above China unless also service you know if one more
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one more picture of of a cyber truck getting hauled away because it got stuck in the mud he's getting speaking of
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video in line he is getting killed by videos about these trucks and they seemingly didn't sell very many either
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so for a car that only sold it looks like a couple thousand um boy is it an outsized lemon like you know again he's
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getting killed on all ways look good luck Elon we hope you become an AI robotics company that's great for you
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but just as just a you know I always feel like I got to I do think I've owned a Tesla it is a fantastic car it's just
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it should trade at the upper range of automobile companies it should be the highest multiple on IA of any auto
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company which means it's going to go down 60 to 70% and still I would argue back it
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doesn't hasn't had a new thing in a while and the service sucks from what I understand that right I've never had the
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I was amazed at yeah a lot of people and a lot of people I've had this complaint
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from lots of Tesla owners um service is not as good as the ones who are good at service which are the big car companies
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service is an important part of carip the other thing is new fresh things it doesn't it has not had a new Fresh look
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except for the Cyber truck which is not fresh something else I can validate the problems around service when he called
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me an insufferable num skull I put took a big dump in the passenger seat and no one came no came to clean it up from
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Tesla do you still have your Tesla oh no the moment he look you taught me this and the
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moment he started being mean I'm going to Virtue signal now and feel masculine when he called you the definition of
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pure evil MH I'm like look I give the guy a hard time no my heart was filled with hate that was heart was filled with
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hate yeah see when he said that and and and was it wasn't even like tongue and cheek it was like he woke up and
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decided that you're the definition of pure evil the devil you said something to me that's always struck me why am I
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painting this guy's fence I sold my Tesla and I I I'm I haven't been on Twitter in almost a year now yeah well
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thank you Scott I appreciate it in any case good luck Elon with your robotics company and by the way I now see you a
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lot better since I took C of me anyway um Microsoft alphabet earning are coming out after we record any predictions
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Microsoft and who alphabet you've heard of them well my I don't know if you've heard this uh but big Tech is just this
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great business they they just they've got this they've got this thing I think it's called Sam Sera
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search and it's a monopoly and it keeps printing money uh look the answer is I don't know but the good money is always
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on Big T so so I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that the numbers are going to be amazing even with meta their
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numbers are amazing but their stock is accelerated so much that the the I think people were hoping for another like oh I
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fired half the staff and my revenues are still going up yes firing people gets you good stock hits I'll tell you that

Episode Highlights

  • Meta's Earnings Surge
    Meta's revenue increased by 27%, with net income more than doubling to $12.37 billion.
    “This company is making some money.”
    @ 00m 04s
    April 26, 2024
  • AI Investments vs. Reality
    Mark Zuckerberg is doubling down on AI investments despite the lack of a clear business plan.
    “AI doesn't have a business plan yet.”
    @ 00m 42s
    April 26, 2024
  • Tesla's Struggles
    Tesla's profit fell 55%, marking the biggest decline since 2012.
    “The biggest decline since 2012.”
    @ 06m 15s
    April 26, 2024

Episode Quotes

  • This is one of the best run companies in the world.
    Meta and Tesla Earnings Unpacked | Pivot
  • Show us the money!
    Meta and Tesla Earnings Unpacked | Pivot
  • He called you the definition of pure evil.
    Meta and Tesla Earnings Unpacked | Pivot

Key Moments

  • Meta's Revenue Growth00:04
  • AI Investment Debate00:42
  • Tesla's Profit Decline06:15
  • Service Issues12:11

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