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I would like to say you have dropped the
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fbomb three times on
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>> I know. I know. I know. I know. You can
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do it anytime.
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>> I'm zero.
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>> Hi everyone. This is Pivot from New York
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Magazine and the Vox Media Podcast
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Network. I'm Cara Swisser. Scott is off
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still. I don't know where Scott is. He's
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just off rambling around. Actually, I'm
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going to see him tonight at the premiere
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of my uh new series for CNN. Uh, but I
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brought on another incredible co-host.
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He's been ambassador to Japan and the
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mayor of Chicago. It seems like he's
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running for president. It's Rahm
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Emanuel. Hey, Rah. How you doing?
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>> I'm good. How are you?
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>> Good. Good. You have been everywhere.
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What What's happening?
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>> Try to tell us what's happening besides
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lecturing the Democratic party, which
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we'll get to in a minute. But what what
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what are you doing?
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>> Well, um, first of all, I'm listening to
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American people. been out and uh talking
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to them about things like how to make
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sure they get ahead, their families get
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ahead on the community college plan. Uh
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but also, you know, like a young man I
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met in Spartanberg who's going to
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community college, he's got a job
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waiting at GE for 33 an hour with
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benefits and he was unemployed. And what
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they're doing at that community college
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is exactly what I want to see us do
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everywhere. Something similar we did in
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Chicago, something similar lacrosse. but
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also, you know, listening to the nurse
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in Iowa who's talking about that she now
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spends close to 50% of her time arguing
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with the insurance companies. So, and
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about how to make sure that people get
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the healthcare that they're actually her
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and the doctor are prescribing.
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>> You've been a public figure, but often
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in the in the in the national way,
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you've been a sort of behind this and
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you've been a congress person, but how
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do you how is it different what you're
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doing here in terms of running for
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president or trying or thinking about
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running for president?
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>> Yeah, I mean that's fair. Look, I mean,
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I've been a congressman. I've been a
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mayor of both.
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>> Not insignificant.
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>> Front facing. Yeah. Front facing.
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>> Yeah. Also chairman of a leadership in
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Congress. But that said, I mean, you're
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evaluating uh and one of the things I
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know about running for office uh is you
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got to make sure your head, your heart,
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and your gut are all align.
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>> Uh I I'm going to just say it up front.
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I don't need a title.
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I got more titles. I can auction them
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off. I'm also I'm about getting stuff
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done. Like take something I'm very proud
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about. You know this because from our
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many conversations, we raised our
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graduation rate from 56 to 83%. 98% of
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our kids had a pan post high school
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college community college branch of the
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armed forcification school. I'm not I'm
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about getting stuff done, not about
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getting another title. and do I think I
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actually understand what it takes to
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move this country and move help the
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American people get ahead and their kids
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get ahead and do I have the fortitude to
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do that and so that's what what I'm
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looking at I'm not I don't need as I
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said titles is for other people getting
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crap done is what we did in Chicago
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20,000 kids went to community college
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for free every child had a plan post
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high school on education we started prek
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and kindergarten so I'm into moving
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stuff and as I We like to say in
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Chicago, taking the garbage out, getting
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stuff done. And
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>> so what
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>> do I think I do? I So you evaluate that,
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>> right?
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>> But you know, this also takes I jokingly
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said when I was recruiting candidates
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for Congress,
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>> takes a a little level of a little kind
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of irrational act because you're jumping
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over without uh any nothing below and
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nothing above. Mhm. So if you're like
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Ram Rahm Emanuel evaluating you as a
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competitor, what would be your biggest
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asset and your biggest negative from
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your perspective? If you were like, I'm
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going to get this. Let's go ahead. This
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I'm getting on the couch and we get to
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make sure Blue Cross covers that at one
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level
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on the positive side and here's how I
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stand it is
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>> putting out ideas from like we did on
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elementary uh school and learning and
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reading and addressing the 50% of our
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kids can't read. went to Mississippi
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how to reform our high schools so
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they're less about diploma more about
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college career planning and community
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college educational ed to social media
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ban basically a wealth of ideas I am
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tired of having a debate about how to
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restore a past and about how to build a
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future and that is what I'm so on that
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point get an A uh on the kind of
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strength and energy that is determined
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not only for the job
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>> Mhm. uh bringing there uh an agame as
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well. And I also think more importantly
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>> telling people the truth.
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>> I'm not going to tell you what you want
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to hear. I'm going to tell you what I
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think you need to know and we're in this
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together rather than trying to fight
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each other all the time. And that's a
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rare moment for a middle child to say
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that. Uh on the other side is you have a
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campaign which is slightly about it's
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not slightly there's a big debate about
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generational change and I've been
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around. Now, the good news of that is uh
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I I think I know the family room. I know
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what I could call uh the classroom, the
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break room, the boardroom, the situation
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room, and I want the Democratic party to
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get out of the bathroom. I'm tired of
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being there. That said, you're all your
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strengths are your weaknesses. So, the
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long resume, I can hit the job one. The
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problem with the uh resume is in a
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period of change, you're you kind of
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don't represent that from one level. The
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other part of change though is for a
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party known for its weakness.
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>> I don't bring that. I bring a different
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level of strength.
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>> Sure. Right.
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>> So that's how I evaluate it.
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>> Is it I'm just curious. Is it Do you
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ever worry about like you and I are both
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I would say difficult people in a good
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way necessarily and I'm I'm saying that
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about myself too. And
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>> we're let's just let's do it smoother.
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We're we're acquired taste,
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>> right? That's what I mean. We're
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acquired taste. Do you I mean cuz you
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know there's there's a there's a a
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likability kind of thing and I I like
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you but do you think about that or has
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that changed in in in
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>> No, you know uh no because uh first of
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all I know how I am out with I'm out
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about people where I was in Lacrosse
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Wisconsin in Grand Rapids Michigan in
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Franklin New Hampshire or in the uh what
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is referred to in South Carolina as a
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corridor of shame and Abbyville etc. all
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the black counties that were ignored by
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uh Colombia, South Carolina. So, I know
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that on the other hand, I am I am I
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mean, again, this gets back to this is
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true for you, it's true for me, it's
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true for everyone, which is your
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strengths, your weakness. I'm direct.
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I'm forthright. Nobody walks away from
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me and go, "Boy, was he subtle? We
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didn't really know what he said." Uh,
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now that one level
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>> that works. At another level,
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>> it doesn't. And that, but here's the
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thing. I'm at a point in my life
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This would be the last race. I'm going
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to tell you what I think has to happen.
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As I said, in 2024, you didn't have a
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choice. 2028, it's going to be Baskin
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and Robbins. And I plan on being Rocky
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Road.
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>> Right. Rocky Road.
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>> I'm I'm going to say this is in this
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moment of where I'm with my therapist,
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Miss Dr. Swiss or
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>> Yeah, right. That's me.
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>> I am liberated at a different place than
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I've been as President Obama's chief of
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staff or as mayor or ambassador or
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whatever.
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>> I'm going to This is it. Final race. I'm
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going leave it on the field in the sense
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of we as a country
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literally have hunger games. I'm This is
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about the future. We've had two
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presidents who've argued about restoring
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a past that's not coming back and either
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we're going to build that future or
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we're going to talk about America in
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past tense and I don't want to do that
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and I'm not going to selines commenting
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about it.
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>> Yeah. Yeah. You've run out of but
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you never had Fox Rom. So that's that's
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kind of an interesting situation. This
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is really interesting. I really am
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fascinated. You know, a lot of people
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ask me, I'm like, I don't know. Maybe
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it's appealing to people, right? You
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don't have to be slick. You don't have
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to be likable, you know, and obviously
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Trump has turned from he had a charisma
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to something else. That's really good.
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>> But I don't, you know, the one thing I
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know about presidential politics,
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President Obama was an answer to George
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Bush. George Bush was an answer to Bill
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Clinton. Bill Clinton was an answer to
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the Reagan Bush years.
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Not where is Donald Trump. You're
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interested in clicks.
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I'm not that. I'm interested in kids
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knowing calculus. You're interested in
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social media posts. Great. I'm
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interested in making sure we know our
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social studies. So, that's not it. And I
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think where the puck will be in 2028
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isn't about how do you how do you
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imitate Donald Trump? It's actually how
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do you act like an adult? And I think if
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we're all honest with ourselves, I do
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look, President Biden, uh, Build Back
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Better,
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>> Donald Trump's MAGA is about restoring
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something that is not coming back. The
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sooner we get to figuring out a future
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and then how to work together to get
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that done will actually matter. And the
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reason all the things I happen to think
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education is a ticket to the middle
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class and to families making it and your
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kids making it.
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>> The reason I've been so focused on it is
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you're not getting there with 50% of our
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kids not able to read at grade level.
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You're not getting there when we don't
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have a plan how to make sure that we
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have the electricians, the carpenters,
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the sailors, the nurses,
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>> or the chemical engineers. not just
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people who know how to do fast trading
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on the stock market, but the engineers
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that know how to actually build
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something for the future. Uh that to me
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is more important. And if it's not
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rejected, my ego is not hurt. I'll have
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done what I think I think is important
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to shape the debate and get us focused
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on the future in a way that I think the
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last 20 years focused on the past.
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>> It certainly can't be anti-Donald Trump
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or it can be a little bit as you said. I
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remember you said let's make the to 2026
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anti-Donald Trump and then we leave him
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behind in the dust bin like if they win
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2026 is we just coming in the shadows of
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Wisconsin. It is a referendum on Donald
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Trump and a rubber stamp Republicans.
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2028 is a choice election and unless we
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have a compelling story to tell about
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the future and what we're going to do,
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we won't win that. We have to have a
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compelling story and that is my focus
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not only for the campaign but more
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importantly for the country and that
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also I can tell you from being all over
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the country we have to make common cause
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with the largest party in America which
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is independent non-aligned
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stop talking to ourselves and start
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talking to the people that will
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determine because in the last three
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presidential elections seven states
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700,000 voters have determined who's
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president of the United States and if we
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don't find common pause with quote
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unquote independent voters, right?
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>> We will continue to be a minority party.
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>> That was exactly what my political just
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told me in an interview I did with him
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last week. Same thing. Um, so let's get
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to the news then. Let's talk about
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what's happening right now and we'll
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talk a little bit more about the future
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after that. But as of this recording,
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the Iran, this is an important thing for
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the future. The Iran war ceasefire is
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looking a little shaky. There's
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confusion around the status of the
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Strait of Hormuz and the disagreement
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over whether the truce includes Lebanon.
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Uh the truce includes Lebanon. Trump
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announced a two-we ceasefire on Tuesday
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night. Two weeks is always his magic
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number. He backed down from his threat
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of a whole the whole civilization would
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die if the deal wasn't released. Um
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reached. Jimmy Kimmel called it the taco
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Tuesday of all. Taco Tuesday. Um and
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then of course, you know, it's um you
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know, walk back Wednesday essentially.
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Uh Megan Kelly, I'm going to play her. I
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don't usually do it because she gives me
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a headache. Wasn't too happy either. Um
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but listen to this. Listen to this.
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Let's play it.
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>> I don't know about you, but I am sick of
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this I'm just I'm I'm sick of it.
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Can't he just behave like a normal
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human? I mean, honestly, like the
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president, 3D chess, just shut up.
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shut up about that You
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don't threaten to wipe out an entire
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civilization. We're talking about
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civilians just casually in a social
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media post.
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I don't often agree with Megan, but
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there you go. I think she's sort of
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articulating what's happening on the
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right.
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>> Donald Trump's bringing people together
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rather than dividing them. You like
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Megan Kelly. Think of the upside of this
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a new a new level of humanity in you
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that's been found towards people you
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disagree.
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>> It's not humanity. It's like are you I
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agree with her. And I I find
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common cause with Marjorie Taylor Green,
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right? Until I start talking about some
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other topics. But Pope Leo is also
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weighing in calling the threat against
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Iranian people truly unacceptable. He's
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in a his for some reason Trump's gotten
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in a beef with the pope which is
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terrible. In terms of what happens next,
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Vice President JD Mance is traveling to
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Pakistan to for peace talks this weekend
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along with Steve Witco and Jared
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Kushner. Uh Dumb and Dummer Trump says
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that all US military personnel and
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assets will stay near Iran until real
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agreement is reached. Talk a little bit
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about this. You've been in these rooms.
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Like what is It seems like he's not
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playing chess. he's eating the pieces
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like or or something or maybe he's not
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getting good advice or else he's
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cognitively has
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>> I don't want I don't want to just say
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about the room but
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>> it's clear there isn't a situation room
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they've moved it into the oval office
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and whoever walks in there's a couple
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doors there's four doors there's there's
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one outside there's one to the uh you
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know where the assistant lit sit there's
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one to the goes to the roseell room and
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there's one that also goes to the uh
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first president's library and they've
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moved
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all in there. There's not a serious
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analysis. Uh think about this. You have
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Vice President B is going there. You
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have Wickoff and uh and Jared Kushner
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with no diplomatic uh support. Go back
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to when they're meeting uh in Geneva.
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There was no experts around the nuclear
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capacity or everything. Wikoff and
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Kushner were winging it and it clearly
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showed because the UK intel officer who
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was there
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>> said Iran was actually offering us
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something very serious in the sense of
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concessions to avoid the military
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confrontation and neither Kushner or W
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>> understood it. Now
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>> I said this jokingly but I'm very
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serious. if they ever do a sequel to
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Dumb and Dumber, there's going to be a
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lot of competition for who gets to play
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the lead in this administration.
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>> Right
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>> now, the other piece is, and you led on
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this, and we're talking about what Megan
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Kelly uh said. Um, look, there's a lot
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of different roles to the president.
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There is the moral voice of the
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presidency when the challenger goes
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down, you know, bringing the country or
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9/11 like President Bush. There is the
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commanderin-chief
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which is the most solemn position of the
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president of the United States.
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The president the commanderin-chief
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Roosevelt understood it when he said
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America would be the arsenal of
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democracy.
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Lincoln understood at the beginning of
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the war. He understood it midway when he
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did the Emancipation Proclamation
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changing the definition of the war. We
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have a president of the United States
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who has asked 50 plus thousand
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servicemen and women, not counting all
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the other pieces that are supporting
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those 50,000 on the front line to
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achieve a mission of national security
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importance for the United States. And
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he's talking about obliterating a
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civilization. You owe the troops a
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definition of why. You owe the
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servicemen and the country. You owe the
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servicemen here's what victory will look
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like. So, we've accomplished our goals
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and here's how it's going to end and
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this is how we know we have succeeded in
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one and two. None of that by the
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commander-in-chief has been
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accomplished.
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>> Right. They declare they have been
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declaring victory over and over in
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Carol.
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>> But but but but this is what I say. But
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here, step back underneath what you just
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said. You know, and everybody else in
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the world knows except for people of
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1600 Pennsylvania. Nobody believes our
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president. Now, this has been overused
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as an anecdote. When Stevenson goes to
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see De Gaul during the Cuban missile
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crisis, he's about to take photos out.
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>> De Gaul says,
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>> "I have the word of the president of the
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United States. I don't need those
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photos." Nobody would do that here.
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Everybody is looking at our our Keystone
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cops at 1600 Pennsylvania. They know a
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president of the United States who
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literally truth is the most flexible
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thing he's ever seen. He doesn't believe
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in truth. He believes in spin. And so
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this is the degradation of the word, the
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credibility and the and the mantle of
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the president of the president of the
00:16:21
United States and more importantly the
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United States of America because this is
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a baton that gets handed off. So at
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every level, not only did they start not
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knowing that they actually had
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accomplished something, they were too
00:16:34
foolish and stupid and arrogant to know
00:16:36
that. B, they go into a war without
00:16:38
clear objectives
00:16:40
and then they literally talk about a
00:16:43
victory here. Now I have I thought about
00:16:45
the you know there's two points I would
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make right now
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>> because they went into a war to
00:16:51
obliterate degradate whatever word you
00:16:54
want to use the nuclear capacity of
00:16:56
Iran.
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>> They already had even we obliterated
00:16:59
then we obliterated it again and then
00:17:01
now we're going to obliterate it. He was
00:17:02
even making fun of the of
00:17:04
>> Iran discovered they have a nuclear
00:17:05
operation called the straight of
00:17:06
hermoose. So, first and foremost,
00:17:09
declare a policy either all ships get
00:17:11
out or no ships get out. That would cut
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off Iran's economic lifeline to China
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and would put pressure on both of them.
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two m medium-term
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the United Nations international
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maritime uh group would run the straight
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of Hermuz in the sense of a fee that
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would be split between Iran, Bahrain,
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UAE,
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Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, all the countries
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affected. So they don't collect it. The
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United Nations and international
00:17:41
association does. And it's split because
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the war affected both parties, not one
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party. Third and doesn't allow Iran to
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control the straight arm which is an
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international body of water body
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long-term
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take the Abraham Accords for the United
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States as a party to and do three things
00:18:00
and use it which doubles down on America
00:18:03
as a permanent power in the in that part
00:18:05
of the world which is the Iran's goal
00:18:08
which is to get us out to build
00:18:11
pipelines for Bahrain, Kuwait, Iraq, UAE
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and other countries in that region out
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to the straight of Hermuz to the Red Sea
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or to Oman uh Gulf, the Gulf of Oman
00:18:24
that would have a short-term,
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medium-term, long-term plan and would
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also reinforce that the Abraham Accords
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the United States has is the vehicle for
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our Gulf allies and countries that don't
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become now subjugated to Iran's
00:18:38
blackmail and corrosion uh coercion. To
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me, that is the most important. Now, I
00:18:44
don't think, in fact, I can tell you
00:18:45
this since I haven't seen a single idea
00:18:48
where except for the president says,
00:18:49
"Well, Iran's 10 points are pretty
00:18:51
good." I can't believe a president of
00:18:52
the United States, a commander-in-chief,
00:18:54
a leader of the free world, a person
00:18:56
with a military uh instruments that he
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has, just said the other party,
00:19:02
their term sheet is the term sheet we're
00:19:05
going to work off of. Everybody in the
00:19:07
quote unquote art of the deal, you don't
00:19:09
use the other side's term sheet. So at
00:19:12
every level I find this uh incredibly
00:19:15
dangerous, reckless. What is it?
00:19:17
>> What's occurring here? Because his own
00:19:18
people are like he doesn't know. Like
00:19:20
what was really interesting about the
00:19:21
the New York Times piece is like they're
00:19:23
all running for the hills cuz they're
00:19:25
all telling them wasn't me. Wasn't me.
00:19:27
It was him.
00:19:28
>> They're pointing fingers at him
00:19:30
directly, not or at BB Netanyahu, but
00:19:33
they're certainly trying to say, "I
00:19:35
thought it was Farc." That's obviously
00:19:37
from the head of the CIA. I thought it
00:19:39
was wrong. Susie Wilds, etc., etc.
00:19:42
>> Yeah. No, they're going to let they're
00:19:43
going to let one guy wear the the guy
00:19:44
with the duncap gets to keep the duncap
00:19:46
at the end of this process. Here's what
00:19:48
I would say to you is there are four
00:19:51
tools in your national security uh
00:19:54
toolbox. Military power, economic
00:19:57
statecraft, political persuasion, and
00:20:01
cultural attraction. And you will
00:20:03
assemble them
00:20:05
differently in different parts of the
00:20:06
world, in different areas, etc.
00:20:09
somewhere in the second term. The now
00:20:12
the president degraded the first three,
00:20:14
but in the second term as opposed to the
00:20:17
first term, he's decided military power
00:20:21
is the most not only the most important
00:20:23
tool, the tool he's most comfortable,
00:20:24
which was not true in the first term. He
00:20:27
is degraded through tariffs. He's
00:20:30
degraded through belittling our NATO
00:20:32
allies and not consulting them and the
00:20:34
brand of America from a cultural
00:20:36
standpoint. So all three of the four
00:20:38
tools have been totally drained of any
00:20:42
capacity and a person who was risk
00:20:45
averse in the first term is now reduced
00:20:48
America's national security to a single
00:20:50
tool and made it the toolbox and what is
00:20:54
dangerous about that is obviously the
00:20:57
servicemen and women uh are becoming
00:21:01
literally a play toy for the
00:21:02
commander-in-chief with no respect for
00:21:04
the what he's asking of them who have
00:21:06
volunteered ed to serve the national
00:21:08
interest of this country and more
00:21:10
importantly the other tools are
00:21:13
atrophying at this very time and we
00:21:16
economically politically culturally as
00:21:18
you can see the way he's banging out of
00:21:20
NATO are more isolated than leading you
00:21:23
can't be a leader if nobody is following
00:21:27
that was the casualty here our NATO
00:21:29
allies and our Gulf allies and our Asian
00:21:33
allies are not following the United
00:21:35
They're distancing themselves
00:21:38
in that case. What is what happens next?
00:21:42
Cuz his own people are distancing
00:21:44
themselves. Also, speaking of leaders,
00:21:46
>> watch what he does. He's going to blame
00:21:48
somebody.
00:21:49
>> He's now going to the next thing is who
00:21:51
he tries to blame. And that's kind of a
00:21:53
palace coup type, palace, you know,
00:21:55
intrigue game.
00:21:56
>> I'm into not that. And I understand the
00:21:59
lore of that. My thing is what do we do
00:22:03
to take a generational approach to
00:22:05
restore the trust, credibility, and the
00:22:07
capacity of this country?
00:22:09
>> Well, how can we with him in the seat?
00:22:11
He's in the seat. Whether I mean some of
00:22:14
the seat
00:22:15
>> and this is my argument both to
00:22:17
Democrats but also Republicans as a
00:22:18
country.
00:22:19
>> Mhm.
00:22:20
>> We're Americans. There's no reset button
00:22:23
at the Resolute Desk. I try to lay out a
00:22:27
different scenario by different parts of
00:22:28
the world. How do you assemble these
00:22:30
different tools into different kind of
00:22:31
stacking orders of priority? There's no
00:22:34
reset. So the when Carne when Prime
00:22:36
Minister Carney in Canada says this is a
00:22:39
rupture, you're not getting superlue and
00:22:42
reassembling. We have to earn not only
00:22:44
the trust, we have to build our
00:22:46
strengths that have been atrophying.
00:22:48
Where is the political uh power? Where's
00:22:51
the cultural persuasion? How do we
00:22:53
recreate the economic state craft where
00:22:56
again the American economy is central to
00:22:58
the world not sidelined and I do think
00:23:01
the last 25 years when you look at this
00:23:05
war if you look at covid you look at uh
00:23:07
different things that have happened in
00:23:08
the last 25 years this will be the era
00:23:11
of supply chain uh and will be known as
00:23:14
the era of supply chain you took oil
00:23:16
take uh ammonia take the petrochemicals
00:23:20
of the region you take what happened
00:23:21
during covid medical gear
00:23:23
etc. and the pharmaceutical products to
00:23:25
deal with the vaccines. This is the era
00:23:29
of supply chains, little things that
00:23:32
hold the entire whether it's the
00:23:33
straight of Hermoose or whether it's the
00:23:36
products coming out of the straight of
00:23:37
Hermoose or whether it's medical
00:23:39
supplies and vaccines, little things
00:23:42
take the entire global economy to a
00:23:44
whole drone. A drone a $50,000 I said
00:23:48
this the other day and I'll just repeat
00:23:49
this. You have two countries Mhm. with
00:23:52
no navy, but they control both
00:23:54
waterways, Ukraine and Iran,
00:23:56
>> without a navy. We have a theory in
00:23:59
America's national security being able
00:24:01
to fight two wars simultaneously.
00:24:04
>> We're going to have to rewrite it to be
00:24:05
able to fight two different wars
00:24:07
simultaneously. One conventional and one
00:24:10
unconventional.
00:24:10
>> That's it. He's still president for a
00:24:12
long time. Even, you know, you've got
00:24:14
maybe to the midterms where he loses a
00:24:16
lot of power
00:24:17
>> or three more years. What happened? What
00:24:21
from your if you had to guess what
00:24:24
happens next because they're not these
00:24:26
people look like they're not going to
00:24:27
keep. You have Megan Kelly saying
00:24:28
you. You have people in the cabinet
00:24:30
clearly leaking saying not us.
00:24:33
Something's got to give. Or does it?
00:24:36
>> Well,
00:24:36
>> I mean someone did stop Nixon, right?
00:24:38
Someone walked up to Pennsylvania.
00:24:41
I mean
00:24:42
>> Yeah.
00:24:42
>> Yeah. I mean, I don't want to look. I
00:24:44
didn't listen to the podcast with
00:24:47
Senator Tillis.
00:24:48
>> Mhm.
00:24:48
>> But, you know, I I this is a criticism.
00:24:52
You were the you were the key vote for
00:24:54
headsets becoming Secretary of Defense.
00:24:55
I'm sorry. Like, you know, okay, fact is
00:24:59
you have a person with a drinking
00:25:00
problem and other types of problems who
00:25:02
now the head of a military who's
00:25:04
involved right now
00:25:06
>> in a military political purge of the
00:25:09
military. The greatest turnaround in
00:25:11
American history was the armed forces
00:25:13
post Vietnam. I've worked with the the
00:25:16
head of the seventh fleet, head of
00:25:18
Indopaccom. These are incredible men and
00:25:20
women. Amy and I I just want to side
00:25:22
note. We do a ROC scholarship named
00:25:26
after Lisa Franchetti, the former CNO of
00:25:29
the Navy. She's an incredible capacity.
00:25:32
Fired out of political retribution. This
00:25:35
is stuff you read in China,
00:25:36
>> right? and Senator Tillis who obviously
00:25:39
has found his conscience and that's good
00:25:42
>> but you confirmed this person that you
00:25:44
knew in your gut
00:25:47
>> was not right and I want to say one
00:25:48
thing when I was chief of staff I was an
00:25:50
employee when I was senior adviser to
00:25:51
president I was an employee how many
00:25:53
times I've walked into the Oval Office
00:25:54
daily and said no and here's the
00:25:57
consequence of you you're a US senator
00:25:59
you're independently elected you're
00:26:01
independently elected congressman you
00:26:02
have your own voting card you have your
00:26:04
own pin for security what are you doing.
00:26:06
>> Mhm.
00:26:07
>> You imagine they'll do it or are they
00:26:09
just waiting for the end?
00:26:11
>> I think what's going to happen is the
00:26:12
United States Congress is going to flip.
00:26:14
The Senate's 50/50 and you're going to
00:26:16
finally have the third branch of
00:26:17
government that has been basically in
00:26:19
deep freeze for the last two years.
00:26:21
>> I said this once privately couple
00:26:23
months, right? That's
00:26:25
>> Yes. I said this privately to a
00:26:26
Republican senator.
00:26:28
>> I said, "You're going to want a
00:26:29
Democratic president."
00:26:30
>> He goes, "Oh, no, no." I said, "Yeah,
00:26:32
the reason is you put your manhood in a
00:26:34
lock box and you're finally going to
00:26:35
take it out in about three years from
00:26:36
now, right? That's what's going to
00:26:37
happen. You I can't believe these
00:26:39
individuals who know better and say it
00:26:41
privately under cloaked force of course
00:26:43
and what will happen is elections have,
00:26:45
as to quote my good friend and my former
00:26:49
boss, President Obama,
00:26:50
>> elections have consequences. Yes, we got
00:26:53
X months till November.
00:26:56
>> Republicans doesn't hear the hear the
00:26:59
sound of the footbeat coming. You saw
00:27:00
that in Wisconsin. You're going to see
00:27:02
it in Indiana. Saw it in North Carolina
00:27:04
the other day. You saw it in Georgia.
00:27:06
>> And the fact is you're going to have the
00:27:07
third branch of government, co-equal
00:27:09
branch, finally exert its
00:27:11
responsibility.
00:27:12
>> You are you are it's just it's a matter
00:27:14
of time. We're going to move over this.
00:27:15
But I would agree with you. They're
00:27:16
suddenly appearing on my podcast. So,
00:27:18
you know what I mean? Like suddenly
00:27:19
they're like I do I wanted is so
00:27:23
frustrating. Take the take a look at the
00:27:25
center of Louisiana. Mhm.
00:27:27
>> You confirmed a guy, Health and Human
00:27:29
Services, Kennedy. You as a doctor, you
00:27:31
know, was wrong.
00:27:33
>> The president turns around, flips on
00:27:34
you, and and you try to do that to
00:27:37
encourage favor or, you know, bring
00:27:40
favor to yourself, and he's going to
00:27:41
mess with your reelection, and you knew
00:27:45
Kennedy was not right. Senator Tillis,
00:27:47
I'm glad he's speaking up. I'm I'm glad
00:27:49
he found his voice,
00:27:50
>> but when your vote was needed,
00:27:52
>> Mhm.
00:27:53
>> he decided, you decided to go somewhere.
00:27:55
out. Maybe you're making up for lost
00:27:56
time, but the rest of us, most
00:27:58
importantly,
00:27:59
>> the men and women in uniform
00:28:01
>> have to deal with a secretary of
00:28:03
defense.
00:28:03
>> And so now therefore, I mean, he
00:28:06
certainly did the I hate to use the term
00:28:07
killshot to gnome, but he did. He did.
00:28:10
And some people are like, it's too late.
00:28:11
I'm like, but he did it, so he has to
00:28:13
keep doing it is what you're saying. I
00:28:14
like that.
00:28:15
>> Yes.
00:28:15
>> Yeah. He has to keep and not only have
00:28:18
to say that, you have to work with
00:28:19
others to finally uh get your vote and
00:28:22
your voice to kind of line. Your vote
00:28:24
was not where your voice is or your
00:28:26
conscience.
00:28:26
>> Yeah, reach down and grab it. Okay,
00:28:28
Rahm, let's go on a quick break. When we
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come back, Democrats keep the momentum
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going with another string of election
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Rom, we're back. Democrats notched their
00:29:21
biggest shift yet in the House special
00:29:22
election, dramatically narrowing the gap
00:29:24
in Georgia's 14th. Trump carried the
00:29:26
district by 37 points in 2024, but even
00:29:28
in the race, the margin shranked around
00:29:30
12 points, a major swing, even though
00:29:31
the Republicans took the win. Democrats
00:29:33
also expanded their majority on
00:29:35
Wisconsin's Supreme Court, very
00:29:36
significant, from 4 to 3 to 5 to two,
00:29:38
and that'll last for for a decade, I
00:29:40
think, for something like that or a very
00:29:42
long time. You recently wrote a piece in
00:29:44
the Wall Street Journal titled How
00:29:45
Democrats can use their coming majority.
00:29:47
You say investigations of Trump won't
00:29:48
satisfy voters and that energy be better
00:29:50
spent on a positive agenda. You and I
00:29:52
have talked about this. Talk about, you
00:29:54
know, your ideal plan. You just sort of
00:29:56
vaguely mention it up to the midterms
00:29:59
and assuming they have a strong showing
00:30:01
without any um nonsense from Trump or
00:30:04
any hijinks or whatever he's trying to
00:30:06
do, but it doesn't seem like it's going
00:30:08
to work. Um in recent days, over 70
00:30:10
lawmakers have said Trump's cabinet
00:30:11
needs to invoke the 25th Amendment. Um,
00:30:14
>> uh, that's he's supposed to be in a coma
00:30:17
apparently for that, but we'll we'll
00:30:18
see. Um, I don't I don't see them doing
00:30:20
that. They can hardly speak up in any
00:30:22
way. Talk about the distraction of it
00:30:25
because one of the things is if you
00:30:26
spend all your time investigating and
00:30:28
certain people, by the way, should be
00:30:29
investigated for corruption.
00:30:30
>> No, let me let me be really clear,
00:30:34
etc. Yeah.
00:30:35
>> As I said in that piece, I said there's
00:30:36
a difference between corruption and
00:30:38
dishonesty. I'm for absolute
00:30:41
investigation of all the corruption.
00:30:43
This is crony capitalism run a muck.
00:30:47
People trading on inside information.
00:30:49
They abnormalize corruption 100% for
00:30:52
that. I the c you cross the line when
00:30:56
it's all about retribution, vindication,
00:30:59
and not addressing what I think is not
00:31:02
only the affirmative agenda, but I do
00:31:04
believe the their corruption. I've said
00:31:06
it two years ago. That's the backdrop.
00:31:09
So, I'm 100% for what did Christine
00:31:12
Gnome do at DHS? I'm 100% for everything
00:31:15
the inspector generals have reported and
00:31:17
all the type of corruption both inside
00:31:19
outside members of family
00:31:20
>> or the Trump kids
00:31:23
100% for that.
00:31:24
>> Don't get caught in a game of politics
00:31:26
of retribution where then the people go
00:31:29
it's just more Washington.
00:31:30
>> Right.
00:31:30
>> Now, on the affirm I think on the
00:31:32
affirmative and this was part of that
00:31:34
piece. If you go back to the
00:31:36
presidentials of both President Clinton
00:31:39
and President Obama first terms '08 and
00:31:41
1992,
00:31:43
what George Mitchell does in 1990,
00:31:45
forcing President Bush to raise taxes
00:31:48
and break his pledge on read my lips,
00:31:50
and what we did in forcing Bush to veto
00:31:55
the children's health insurance
00:31:57
initiative in 2007 sets up 1992 Bill
00:32:01
Clinton and sets up President Obama
00:32:04
2008.
00:32:05
2027.
00:32:08
I look at the uh kind of landscape of
00:32:11
all the issues from minimum wage to
00:32:15
predictive markets to health care cost
00:32:18
control andor a rateayers bill of
00:32:20
rights. I lay out a number of piece
00:32:22
ideas in that piece. you now a part of
00:32:25
this politically is determining you have
00:32:27
the Senate or not is get a bill on the
00:32:30
desk that one creates divisions within
00:32:33
the Republican party and two
00:32:36
either force the president like Bush
00:32:39
does in 1990
00:32:41
signs a bill or vetos a bill like
00:32:44
President Bush does in 2007 on the
00:32:48
children's health insurance program that
00:32:50
creates divisions inside the Republican
00:32:52
party and advance
00:32:54
your agenda that you're ready to take
00:32:56
and secure the future. So, I do think
00:33:00
Democrat, let's just just fast forward.
00:33:02
Democrats win both the House and the
00:33:04
Senate. What they do in 2027 will be as
00:33:08
determinative as who we nominate in
00:33:10
2028. My view, this is mine,
00:33:15
is go to those predictive markets and
00:33:18
put a piece of legislation on the
00:33:20
president's desk that ban all members,
00:33:24
Congress, Senate, executive branch,
00:33:26
judicial branch, staff, family from
00:33:29
participating in the predictive markets
00:33:31
and that there's a division of the
00:33:32
criminal market. Right. Yeah.
00:33:35
>> Yeah. And the reason is and first of
00:33:38
all, all that can be done by executive
00:33:39
order.
00:33:40
>> Mhm. president will not do it because
00:33:41
his two sons are investors in it
00:33:44
>> and you drive right there because the
00:33:46
Republicans are there, independent
00:33:47
voters are there, the president of the
00:33:49
United States is not there. And I would
00:33:50
take that bill and run it right down
00:33:52
through one end of Pennsylvania Avenue
00:33:54
to the other and put it on his desk
00:33:57
because everybody and I can tell you
00:33:58
this from Lacrosse, Wisconsin to
00:34:00
Franklin, New Hampshire to Abbyville's
00:34:03
partner,
00:34:04
>> everybody in their gut
00:34:06
>> knows that these prediction markets are
00:34:08
being played and manipulated with inside
00:34:10
information. And yes, and people other
00:34:12
people are putting their lives at risk
00:34:14
while little Nepo babies in Palm Beach
00:34:16
are making money. Most importantly, Don
00:34:19
Jr. and the rest of the family and
00:34:21
Lutnik's kids and Wickoff's kids. Put it
00:34:24
on his desk. Make him pick his wealth or
00:34:27
the American people's democracy and
00:34:29
political and economic.
00:34:31
>> I already know the answer to that.
00:34:34
>> I mean, you ask me that's what I would
00:34:35
do because you were talking about things
00:34:37
that you wish would happen probably
00:34:38
won't pass. You should do like all like
00:34:41
$25 minimum wage, whatever it happens to
00:34:43
be. It doesn't have to win it. You just
00:34:46
have to make a stance is what you're
00:34:47
talking about right now.
00:34:48
>> In 1990, in 1990, President Bush signs
00:34:52
the bill. It actually does help reduce
00:34:54
the deficit, but it creates Pap Buchanan
00:34:56
and a Republican revolt. And 20
00:35:00
Republican senators support that, but
00:35:03
the other 25 do not. In 2007 when we do
00:35:07
the children's health insurance bill,
00:35:09
President Bush 43 vetos it, but 60
00:35:13
Republicans in the House and Senate
00:35:15
align themselves with Democrat. What
00:35:17
brings us together? What divides the
00:35:20
other side? And whether it's signing or
00:35:23
vetoing as I would say to quote that
00:35:25
great philosopher, when you get to a
00:35:27
fork in the road, take it.
00:35:29
>> And that's what you want to do to the
00:35:31
Republicans,
00:35:32
>> right? And you want to constantly be
00:35:33
saying what you're for. And that says
00:35:34
what you're for
00:35:35
>> and even if you fail,
00:35:36
>> says what you're for,
00:35:38
>> who you're going to fight for
00:35:39
>> and what the other side
00:35:41
>> is willing to do. And I think this
00:35:42
president
00:35:43
>> is running a crony capitalist system.
00:35:47
It's from everywhere. It's how much you
00:35:48
pay and how much he gets. And what you
00:35:51
want to do is drive your
00:35:55
car right to that division point inside
00:35:58
the Republican party. And the
00:35:59
Republicans
00:36:00
know they're not in on this prediction
00:36:03
market in a sense
00:36:05
the way the Trump kids are. And the
00:36:06
president and I would also taunt them.
00:36:09
>> Sign an executive order.
00:36:10
>> Yeah. Do something.
00:36:11
>> No, Mr. President, you signed all these
00:36:13
other executive orders. I mean, yes,
00:36:14
here's one that you can do,
00:36:15
>> right?
00:36:16
>> He won't do it. And so drive right
00:36:17
there.
00:36:18
>> What do you make of these shifts in in
00:36:20
the the Democrats have done rather well
00:36:22
all over the place, right? Even
00:36:23
including in Palm Beach. Speaking of
00:36:24
Palm Beach, no babies, they now have a
00:36:26
Democratic.
00:36:26
>> I actually think one thing that slightly
00:36:29
uh didn't get the coverage. I mean, I
00:36:31
went up to Wisconsin 6 weeks ago for the
00:36:34
Supreme Court for Rebecca Cook in the
00:36:36
third district, Southwest Corner. In
00:36:39
Wisconsin, battleground state. First of
00:36:42
all, the Supreme Court candidate does
00:36:46
better than any of the other two from a
00:36:48
year ago.
00:36:49
The Democrats in Wisconsin win the
00:36:52
important county outside of Milwaukee.
00:36:54
That's the Republican base that counters
00:36:56
the Milwaukee vote. We now have the
00:36:58
county executives. The Supreme Court
00:37:00
nominee in the third congressional
00:37:01
district, the southwest corner where
00:37:03
Lacrosse is, etc. that Ron K used to
00:37:06
represent and is a Republican there that
00:37:08
Trump won. The Supreme Court Democrat,
00:37:11
not Democratic, but the progressive
00:37:12
candidate takes 57%.
00:37:18
Donald Trump won that with overwhelming
00:37:19
amount. That tells you if you win that
00:37:22
seat, you're winning the majority. So
00:37:25
when you look at Wisconsin at the top
00:37:28
all the way down and all the races
00:37:30
between, it's a unbelievable
00:37:33
victory and it says the same thing.
00:37:36
>> It's the independence.
00:37:37
>> Massive energy in the Democratic vote
00:37:39
base and Republican turnout depressed.
00:37:42
>> Mhm.
00:37:43
>> The two the election in North Carolina
00:37:46
>> Mhm. when Donald Trump uh endorsed a
00:37:49
state senate majority leader, the most
00:37:53
powerful Republican, he loses the
00:37:55
Republican primary.
00:37:56
>> Mhm.
00:37:57
>> That was more important than Mara Lago.
00:37:59
I get the value of Mara Lago. It's kind
00:38:01
of I get it. But the fact is power over
00:38:05
the Republican primary voters,
00:38:06
>> right?
00:38:07
>> You want to call liberation day, that's
00:38:09
liberation day. So all you Republican
00:38:11
congressmen and senators, Senator
00:38:13
Tillis, that you were scared of your
00:38:14
shadow for the last four year year and
00:38:17
four years ago, you don't have to be
00:38:18
scared of your shadow,
00:38:19
>> right? What about Texas? Obviously,
00:38:21
that's
00:38:22
>> Well, now in the Senate in Texas, I
00:38:25
think that you have a Republican primary
00:38:27
that ends up it doesn't matter who who
00:38:29
wins in one level, they're going to both
00:38:31
be a weakened candidate for the general
00:38:33
election.
00:38:34
>> Mhm.
00:38:35
>> That's what I think. Can I you know and
00:38:37
I happen to one thing I would also say
00:38:38
to my fellow Democrats
00:38:40
>> when you look at the healthc care for
00:38:44
President Obama
00:38:46
>> or the IRA the clim the climate bill
00:38:49
under President Biden
00:38:52
under the healthc care bill. Senator
00:38:54
Nelson from Nebraska
00:38:57
helps us pass that. It's the 60th vote
00:39:00
and the senator from West Virginia
00:39:04
helps pass the IRA.
00:39:08
If you don't win in purple to red states
00:39:13
as a Democrat, we're not going to get
00:39:15
the type of economic and political legis
00:39:18
and social legislation we want. The two
00:39:20
most significant pieces of legislation
00:39:22
Democrats passed in the last 20 years,
00:39:25
they clinched the vote
00:39:27
>> with a Republican,
00:39:28
>> with a senator from a state that is not
00:39:30
quote unquote safe blue. So winning in
00:39:33
Ohio, winning in North Carolina, winning
00:39:36
in Texas, winning in Iowa,
00:39:38
>> winning in places Democrats have not
00:39:41
presidentially won
00:39:43
>> is how you secure the type of
00:39:44
legislation.
00:39:46
>> Interesting. And I just met Telerico. I
00:39:48
call him the baby Jesus.
00:39:50
Anyway, what one of the things, of
00:39:52
course, look, Democrats are not
00:39:54
slathering himself in perfection right
00:39:56
now. Um, as Trump waited into the
00:40:00
California governor's race this week by
00:40:01
endorsing former Fox News host Steve
00:40:03
Hilton, who I know very well, actually,
00:40:05
mostly as a husband of someone I know
00:40:07
very well, but I actually know Steve. My
00:40:09
favorite Steve thing is he was lecturing
00:40:11
me on populism and the elites when he
00:40:13
was staying at the Bair Hotel and I was
00:40:15
like I can't afford this place
00:40:17
my friend like and you're telling me
00:40:19
about like elites. Um anyway I he's a
00:40:22
funny guy actually. There might be um
00:40:24
good news for Democrats the the the
00:40:26
Trump um backing there. But Democrats
00:40:28
have been worrying about a doomsday
00:40:30
scenario with the state's jungle primary
00:40:31
and people don't know there it's there's
00:40:34
there's not primaries is who the top two
00:40:36
are. If the two GOP candidates, Hilton
00:40:38
and Sheriff uh Chad Biano, and ex
00:40:41
exactly what he sounds like, um first
00:40:43
and second in the primary, Democrats
00:40:46
would be locked out in the general
00:40:47
election. It's a concern. And there's
00:40:48
eight Democrats in the race with no
00:40:49
clear front runner. Um but by
00:40:52
consolidating G support behind Hilton,
00:40:54
Trump may have helped reduce the
00:40:55
chances. And I've noticed both Jane
00:40:57
Vaugh and Ro Con are backing the
00:40:59
billionaire, which is unusual, Tom
00:41:02
Styer. Um uh which is fine. like all the
00:41:04
left went crazy, but I'm like, well,
00:41:06
he's he's he's different. He's he's not
00:41:09
like there's he's not Mark Zuckerberg.
00:41:11
Let me just be clear.
00:41:12
>> But um that said, there's all kinds of,
00:41:14
you know, issues there um um with with
00:41:18
what's happening there. And you've got,
00:41:20
you know, a number of candidates that
00:41:21
each have a little chunk. It's not like
00:41:23
one has the biggest chunk. So, I'm
00:41:25
sitting there, I'm like, where's Nancy
00:41:27
Pelosi hitting heads or where's Nuome or
00:41:29
what's what is happening there? And you
00:41:31
I'm sure you've spoken to them. If
00:41:33
you're running the Democratic party
00:41:34
>> mean what's happening in the Democratic
00:41:36
>> party. What has to happen there in order
00:41:38
to like knock people out? They don't
00:41:40
seem to be leaving any of them. It looks
00:41:42
like
00:41:43
>> Yeah. I don't I Well, that you know,
00:41:45
California is not
00:41:47
>> Chicago,
00:41:48
>> right?
00:41:49
>> We would find something wrong with their
00:41:50
signatures and knock them out that way.
00:41:52
>> Yeah.
00:41:53
>> You're not getting on the ballot on this
00:41:55
one. You want another race? That's
00:41:56
evidence. You know, uh I don't you know
00:41:58
I have no idea what I think the
00:42:00
leadership of the party has stood back.
00:42:02
I part of me wonders whether Kla Harris
00:42:05
thinks again like maybe I made a
00:42:07
mistake. I should have gone for that
00:42:08
office etc. Given when you look at the
00:42:10
field I think this is a jump ball. You
00:42:13
got a uh I look at it from a distance
00:42:16
but about four candidates all kind of
00:42:19
hovering within two points from each
00:42:22
other. And so my guess is the leadership
00:42:23
of the party doesn't want to put their
00:42:25
thumb on the scale prefer looking like
00:42:27
they don't have the leadership that they
00:42:29
thought they did.
00:42:30
>> So what happens? It could be. Is that a
00:42:32
bad thing for the
00:42:35
>> you know I I uh I I do buy the
00:42:37
conventional wisdom
00:42:40
>> that the president's endorsement of uh
00:42:44
Mr.
00:42:44
is a kiss of death.
00:42:46
>> Mhm. And I think that will uh bear out
00:42:49
uh and I what happens
00:42:52
eventually there's a co coalescing
00:42:55
that trigger hasn't happened yet but I
00:42:58
instinctively believe it will happen
00:43:01
well how the papers endorse what
00:43:04
something will happen that will tri that
00:43:05
will be a conversion that will convert
00:43:08
the moment it will be a catalytic
00:43:10
conversion of the moment and then there
00:43:12
will be a coalesing around a singular or
00:43:14
two candidates that catapult to the
00:43:17
front of the class
00:43:17
>> possibly.
00:43:19
Do you remember the movie Face Off where
00:43:20
they're all pointing guns at each other?
00:43:22
That's what it feels like. Someone's got
00:43:24
to put the gun down, you know, and then
00:43:25
the the pigeons fly.
00:43:27
>> It's a little early for that, but you'll
00:43:28
get that.
00:43:29
>> You'll get that. You'll get Is there any
00:43:31
candidate you think
00:43:32
>> will emerge of all those? I'm not close
00:43:34
enough to uh to uh I'm not close enough
00:43:38
to that race to I mean in the back of my
00:43:40
head I'm it will be a Democrat
00:43:43
>> and you know there's 90% of them agree
00:43:45
on the same thing so it won't uh matter.
00:43:48
Now it could I could you know obviously
00:43:50
this is electoral politics so it could
00:43:52
be totally wrong. Mhm.
00:43:53
>> Uh but so far I believe that there will
00:43:57
be a coalescing at the very end at least
00:43:59
around one if not two candidates and the
00:44:01
rest will really
00:44:02
>> be seen as a wasted vote. Um the one
00:44:05
good news is uh the president's
00:44:07
endorsement is going to uh force the
00:44:09
Democrats to kind of shape up real
00:44:11
quickly.
00:44:12
>> Shape up real quickly. Yeah.
00:44:13
Interesting. It's a real it's a real
00:44:14
wrinkled Steve is like are you kidding
00:44:16
me? I mean, my thing my thing is
00:44:19
>> Mhm.
00:44:19
>> look, take Iowa and take Ohio
00:44:24
and then take Florida and Georgia. And
00:44:26
I'll tell you why on those is
00:44:28
>> Ohio. The Democratic nominee for
00:44:30
governor, which was in Governor DeWine's
00:44:33
public health official, she's ahead. In
00:44:36
Iowa, you have an open senate, also an
00:44:38
open governor. And the a state auditor
00:44:42
in Iowa is in a very strong position. uh
00:44:45
been elected twice already statewide for
00:44:47
the governor's race and we're going to
00:44:49
have a pretty competitive uh nominee I
00:44:51
think for the Senate and I think what's
00:44:53
happening because of what the president
00:44:55
did to the rural economy the corn
00:44:58
soybean wheat farmers
00:45:00
>> business and the gone out of business
00:45:02
the rural economy is really hurting this
00:45:03
war has really touched them fertilizers
00:45:06
etc
00:45:07
>> you're going to see something in the
00:45:08
Midwest in the prairie states that's
00:45:10
going to come and bite the Republicans
00:45:12
right where they need to be bitten and
00:45:14
kicked
00:45:14
Yeah.
00:45:15
>> Then you go down to Georgia and Florida.
00:45:19
In both cases in the Democratic primary
00:45:22
are former Republican- elected officials
00:45:24
who've decided the Republican party
00:45:25
under Donald Trump's not their home
00:45:27
anymore. The Democrats are. Whether they
00:45:29
get out of the primary or not, I'm not
00:45:31
sure. But there is a 10 to 12% of
00:45:34
Republicans and I've also seen this
00:45:36
going all over the country who don't
00:45:39
identify
00:45:40
with Donald Trump.
00:45:43
Not sure about the Democrats. They all,
00:45:45
you know, they say way too left for them
00:45:47
culturally, politically, economically.
00:45:50
But you have a fraction of what we I
00:45:52
call traditional Republicans that rather
00:45:55
than a look at this election or the
00:45:57
future elections as transactional,
00:46:00
we should look as transformational.
00:46:02
They have chosen those two candidates in
00:46:05
Florida and and Georgia to see
00:46:08
themselves and their future politically
00:46:11
more at home with the Democratic party
00:46:14
than Republicans.
00:46:15
>> At least for now.
00:46:15
>> That tells you the beginning, right?
00:46:17
Well, that is the first steps
00:46:19
>> towards a realignment of coalitions.
00:46:22
>> And we as a party have to look at these
00:46:24
elections, right?
00:46:26
>> I'll give you one analysis. I Okay.
00:46:27
Because we're going to move on and
00:46:29
stuff. Yeah. Go ahead.
00:46:29
>> Okay. I'll be really quick. In 2020, you
00:46:32
had what I call Joe Biden Republicans.
00:46:35
And the real question was, were we going
00:46:37
to govern with the idea of making that
00:46:39
transformational or transactional? And
00:46:42
one of the mistakes I think made in the
00:46:44
Biden administration was rather than try
00:46:45
to unite the country, a lot time was
00:46:47
spent trying to unite the party
00:46:49
>> and we lost the bigger narrative in that
00:46:51
process.
00:46:52
>> Right. That's a very fair point. Um, I'm
00:46:53
going to move on to some business stuff.
00:46:55
Um, lots going on in this area of AI of
00:46:58
something that you've written about a
00:46:59
lot and you and I have talked about
00:47:00
social media and everything else. Now,
00:47:02
in this case, Elon Musk wants to have
00:47:04
OpenAI CEO Sam Alman and President Greg
00:47:07
Brockman removed from the company as
00:47:08
part of a case claiming the company
00:47:09
deceived him to donating $38 million. I
00:47:12
was there when that happened, actually.
00:47:13
Meanwhile, OpenAI sent a letter to the
00:47:15
California and Delaware AGs alleging
00:47:17
Musk has been working to undermine
00:47:19
OpenAI through various attacks,
00:47:20
including by working with Mark
00:47:22
Zuckerberg. I mean, this is true. Um,
00:47:24
Serge jury selection begins in this
00:47:26
high-profile trial where the tech is
00:47:28
sort of eating each other. Like, it's a
00:47:30
really interesting time. And while we're
00:47:32
talking about AI, hopefulness among AI
00:47:34
among young people has dropped to 18%
00:47:36
from 27% last year. You're welcome every
00:47:39
at tech. I'm I'm glad to help it do
00:47:41
that. Almost a third of young adults uh
00:47:43
say AI made them feel angry. Um, and
00:47:46
speaking of Elang, shortly after he
00:47:47
filed his SpaceX IPO last week,
00:47:49
speculation is growing about a merger
00:47:51
with Tesla. Um, I've been saying this
00:47:53
would happen. Let's listen to a clip
00:47:55
from last April. It looks like he's not
00:47:57
interested in making cars anymore or
00:47:59
he's making other things. He wants to
00:48:00
shift Tesla and I I think you're going
00:48:02
to merge XAI
00:48:04
X and this together in a big on the
00:48:07
whole.
00:48:08
>> Yeah. Mhm.
00:48:09
>> Yeah. I had already predicted that he
00:48:11
would put Twitter into Grock and then
00:48:13
they would put it into SpaceX and it
00:48:15
made sense for a lot of thing. Um, so
00:48:17
>> there's a whole new meaning of rollup.
00:48:19
>> Yeah. And actually there there there's a
00:48:21
story in Reuters they're going to
00:48:22
possibly make a cheaper EV which he
00:48:23
should have done four years ago but
00:48:25
that's another issue. Talk a little bit
00:48:27
that's the only answer for Tesla given
00:48:29
how the numbers are declining. He has to
00:48:30
either have a great car or he has which
00:48:33
he's not seemingly interested in a
00:48:35
really great car that sort of wins
00:48:37
everything or he has to merge them all
00:48:38
together and then he can hide the losses
00:48:40
pretty easily in this spectacular IPO
00:48:43
that's going to happen with SpaceX. Um
00:48:45
so which is hugely overvalued but that's
00:48:47
all right. people are going to buy into
00:48:49
it. So talk a little bit about what's
00:48:50
happening here in AI because there's a
00:48:52
whole shift of people not trusting these
00:48:54
people. You know, it's sort of like a
00:48:56
pox on all their houses. Which side do
00:48:58
you want to pick? Altman or Musk or
00:49:01
these people or David Sachs who's like
00:49:03
pushing the president even as the
00:49:05
numbers are declining?
00:49:08
>> I think there's three categories that I
00:49:10
kind of take back from this week. One is
00:49:14
the tech bros all basically urinating on
00:49:17
each other's leg telling you the other
00:49:19
guy it's raining outside and Americans
00:49:21
aren't going to stand for sit on the
00:49:23
sidelines literally
00:49:24
>> while Alman and Daario and Alam Musk all
00:49:29
play and fight with each other like
00:49:30
little kids in the sandbox without adult
00:49:33
supervision. The second
00:49:36
is both open AI and anthropic withhold
00:49:40
product because it's too risky to the
00:49:43
>> right. I was going to mention that too.
00:49:44
These are these are new products
00:49:46
>> that they have coming that they're
00:49:48
worried about security issues and now
00:49:50
they brought a coalition together to try
00:49:52
to patch things but quite dangerous. But
00:49:54
go ahead. And then the third thing which
00:49:56
is whether forget the motivation for say
00:50:00
Sam Alman puts uh out a kind of updated
00:50:05
AI New Deal social contract to compete
00:50:09
in my but again I shouldn't do that
00:50:12
because I said don't put aside the
00:50:13
motivation with Daario
00:50:17
own's view which is this is going to be
00:50:20
so disruptive we have to figure out not
00:50:23
only how the product and the and the
00:50:25
industry, but also how we include the
00:50:28
American people in this. So, it's a net
00:50:30
win rather than three guys win and 333
00:50:34
million lose. Those three boxes are
00:50:37
they're all overlapping.
00:50:40
Now, I step back also as a former mayor
00:50:43
and chief of staff to a president in
00:50:45
massive changing times. the government
00:50:47
is set up to kind of set up a
00:50:50
regulation, wait 30 years to see if it
00:50:52
work, which is an industrial model, and
00:50:55
you're good. You're in the post analog,
00:50:57
postdigital into something totally
00:50:59
different. And I do think when you look
00:51:02
at Daro and and Open AI deciding not to
00:51:06
put a product out, forget the boys
00:51:09
acting like boys,
00:51:12
they're
00:51:14
they are begging
00:51:16
for oversight and rules and they're
00:51:20
making it up as they go. The government
00:51:22
needs industry leaders, academics,
00:51:27
and comments in real time to be making
00:51:30
decisions in real way. We can't rely on
00:51:33
two CEOs social conscience to say I'm
00:51:35
withholding a product because it's
00:51:37
dangerous. While I appreciate that they
00:51:39
did that, that is not how this is going
00:51:41
to work. So, we're going to have to have
00:51:43
a a board that is required to update its
00:51:47
rules and regs and oversight in real
00:51:50
time with an industry that's changing at
00:51:53
a pace the government's not used to.
00:51:55
There's going to have to be principles
00:51:57
that guide it. Now, is a threat from
00:51:59
China real?
00:52:00
>> 100%.
00:52:01
from a competitive standpoint
00:52:03
>> which I find one side note
00:52:06
>> we're a country with a lot of social
00:52:09
whether you think it should be expanded
00:52:11
social insurance our country is fearful
00:52:14
from AI China has none of the social
00:52:16
infrastructure underneath it so if you
00:52:18
fail to get support healthcare
00:52:20
unemployment insurance etc and yet
00:52:22
they're hugely optimistic about AI
00:52:25
>> the countries are in different places
00:52:27
given the support that the public sector
00:52:29
and I find that just as a polit as a
00:52:32
>> they do a lot more monitoring of it. The
00:52:34
c the government does much more
00:52:36
monitoring than we do.
00:52:37
>> Well, there's a confidence since
00:52:38
somebody's going to control and that
00:52:41
you're not going to be left out on the
00:52:42
sideline. So to me, we're going to have
00:52:45
to have a real and I do think this
00:52:48
regardless of whatever my personal
00:52:51
the
00:52:53
two Sam Alman's kind of social contract
00:52:57
Dario's view that uh from anthropic that
00:53:01
we need a kind of a new agreement which
00:53:04
is the difference between kind of
00:53:05
capital versus labor but how AI will b
00:53:08
what I say democratize the benefits of
00:53:11
AI to more people from both skills but
00:53:15
also jobs and economic opportunity and
00:53:17
if you don't the American people are
00:53:19
going to data center rebell you know re
00:53:23
rebellion against it's just minor
00:53:25
compared to what's going to happen
00:53:26
>> and the government's going to have to
00:53:28
step in and do this from an executive
00:53:29
branch standpoint
00:53:30
>> but the tech the tech people are still
00:53:33
aside from those guys like David Sachs
00:53:35
was like how dare you do this this is
00:53:36
our greatest thing and is pushing Trump
00:53:39
even as this is happening and he has
00:53:41
been integral to what I think has been a
00:53:44
disaster for the tech industry in terms
00:53:45
of their imagery, right? They look like
00:53:48
villains now. They're villains now.
00:53:49
They're the villains.
00:53:50
>> Well, they are babies,
00:53:53
>> right? I mean, they're they're villains
00:53:54
and they're actually also they want to
00:53:57
take all the benefit and you're just
00:53:59
going to live in their world. Now, I'm
00:54:02
sorry, that's not how a democratic
00:54:04
capitalist system works. There is real
00:54:06
opportunity.
00:54:08
Look, given the competitiveness with
00:54:10
China, this is going to be one one like
00:54:12
fusion, like quantum computing, etc.
00:54:14
like life sciences, one of the dominant
00:54:17
uh technologies of the future, but it's
00:54:19
not going to be three winners and 333
00:54:21
million losers. That is not how we're
00:54:23
keeping score.
00:54:24
>> I think that in the end of the day, like
00:54:26
everywhere else,
00:54:29
>> industry likes regulations because it
00:54:31
sets rules, guidelines, and principles.
00:54:33
Correct. when you go back to what's
00:54:34
happening like insider training
00:54:38
>> that for the fact that businesses are
00:54:40
not calling that out this is going to
00:54:42
come back to bite you right in the butt.
00:54:43
>> That's what I said. I you know it's
00:54:45
interesting when I saw those statistics
00:54:46
and then David Sachs yammering on about
00:54:48
it. I was like you know David sit the
00:54:50
down because the American people
00:54:52
don't like what you're doing. So and
00:54:54
Trump is stupid to listen to.
00:54:56
>> What?
00:54:56
>> You have dropped the fbomb three times
00:54:58
on that side.
00:54:59
>> I know. I know. I know. I know. You can
00:55:01
do it anytime. That's more your
00:55:02
brother's thing. That's more your your
00:55:04
elderly brother's thing.
00:55:06
>> You will never find me ever saying it
00:55:08
publicly.
00:55:09
>> I know.
00:55:09
>> In my whole career. Do not do that.
00:55:11
>> I know you don't. That I'm just telling
00:55:12
you that's your brother. I have a tape.
00:55:14
Even though my mother Even though my
00:55:15
mother is deaf, she'll hear it and come
00:55:17
and grab me.
00:55:19
>> I have a voice of your brother saying,
00:55:20
"Caris Swisser, you." So, I'm going
00:55:23
to keep it for the rest of I'm making
00:55:25
thinking of making it my way.
00:55:25
>> That was probably a term of endearment.
00:55:28
>> It was. It was. It's because he didn't
00:55:29
invite me to some party. Anyway, I don't
00:55:31
want to go to his party. It doesn't
00:55:32
matter. But happy birthday. Um, all
00:55:34
right, Rahm, let's go on a quick break.
00:55:35
When we come back, we'll talk about very
00:55:37
quickly RFK getting into the podcast
00:55:39
game. Rahm, we're back with just one
00:55:41
more quick story. I regret to inform you
00:55:43
that RFK Jr. is launching a podcast. You
00:55:45
know, it's trouble. Now, the pod will
00:55:47
focus on telling the truth, especially
00:55:48
when it's uncomfortable in confronting
00:55:50
the spiritual malaise. Let's watch a
00:55:53
clip of the announcement. I guess it's
00:55:54
not quite as bad as his as his strange
00:55:57
porn movie with Kid Rock, but let's go.
00:56:00
If we want a healthy nation, we have to
00:56:02
confront the lies that have made us
00:56:04
spiritually, morally, and physically
00:56:06
sick. The time for half measures is now
00:56:09
over. We're launching a new era of
00:56:11
radical transparency in government here
00:56:13
at HHS. I hope you'll join us in our
00:56:16
mission to make America healthy again.
00:56:18
>> Oh my goodness. And of course, just as
00:56:20
there is news in the Washington Post
00:56:21
that they're trying to suppress a CDC
00:56:23
report that vaccines are good for you,
00:56:25
uh, COVID vaccine. So, just transparent
00:56:28
>> gives a whole new me. Yeah. Yeah. I was
00:56:30
going to say it gives a whole new
00:56:31
meaning to what transparency is not.
00:56:33
>> Yeah. So, is he just preparing for his
00:56:35
next career when he gets bounced or what
00:56:36
what is happening? And I hope are you
00:56:38
co-hosting his podcast?
00:56:39
>> First of all, two things. One is he's
00:56:42
preparing that, but it's also to uh
00:56:43
airbrush his past. He has been an
00:56:45
absolute horrible secretary of health
00:56:48
and human services on every measure
00:56:51
>> outside of what's happened with opiates
00:56:53
and he has nothing to do with it. United
00:56:55
States.
00:56:55
>> Best friend to measles is what I call
00:56:56
him. Best friend to measles.
00:56:58
>> Yes. measles, the lack of confidence in
00:57:01
the American CDC, our other types of our
00:57:04
life sciences, our capacities, our
00:57:07
health care cost, everything that he has
00:57:08
touched in the great tradition of this
00:57:11
administration is broken. It needed
00:57:14
repair. It needed to be strengthened.
00:57:15
And across the board, you cannot walk
00:57:17
from a single agency or department. And
00:57:19
he's been the kind of a point of
00:57:20
despair. It's the largest domestic
00:57:23
agency in the United States, health and
00:57:26
human services. and he has made a mess
00:57:29
of it and the people he's appointed have
00:57:31
made a mess of it from CDC to NIH to
00:57:34
what Medicare Medicaid
00:57:36
>> and they have done nothing
00:57:39
>> to measurably improve the health of the
00:57:41
American people
00:57:42
>> and
00:57:43
>> I will say having dealt with this as
00:57:45
both chief of staff but more importantly
00:57:47
when I helped pass the ACA or President
00:57:49
Clinton's children's health insurance
00:57:50
but as mayor of the city of Chicago 8%
00:57:53
of our workforce was driving 70% of our
00:57:57
healthare costs around chronic
00:57:59
illnesses, heart, obesity, etc. He could
00:58:02
have focused on something that actually
00:58:05
moved the needle in both dropping health
00:58:07
care costs and improving public health.
00:58:10
>> Yeah.
00:58:11
>> And rather than bring the country
00:58:12
together like everything in this
00:58:14
administration, never lose an
00:58:15
opportunity to divide Americans. They
00:58:18
have they have from the president to his
00:58:20
cabinet have found m multiple
00:58:22
opportunities
00:58:23
>> to divide people and and literally
00:58:25
repressed examples where they could
00:58:28
actually bring people together of
00:58:29
different political views to work on a
00:58:31
common issue
00:58:32
>> and shame on doctors in the Senate who
00:58:34
voted for him. I mean I just the
00:58:36
Republican would
00:58:37
>> well that gets back to you know Senator
00:58:39
Ga Senator Cassidy is going to pay the
00:58:41
price like Senator Tillis
00:58:43
>> for having basically taking your
00:58:44
conscience and put it in a lock box when
00:58:46
the vote came and you knew what was
00:58:48
right. You took the polit politically
00:58:51
expedient case and I don't want to draw
00:58:52
this to myself but since I'm on I'll
00:58:54
draw it to myself. I can't tell you how
00:58:55
many times I used to walk into Clinton's
00:58:57
office or President Obama's oh I said
00:58:59
you're out of your mind if you do this
00:59:01
this is the Christ. I'm going to let you
00:59:03
lay it out to you. You'll have a debate
00:59:04
about it, but understand the
00:59:06
consequences of this. I was an employee.
00:59:09
Get out of here. This You're an
00:59:11
independent US senator. I was a
00:59:12
congressman. I was You got elected.
00:59:15
>> You have a responsibility
00:59:17
to what the
00:59:18
>> trust has told me, you know what a
00:59:20
martyr is? He's dead. Like he was he was
00:59:23
like, you can't you can't operate from a
00:59:25
position of dead. And that I still was
00:59:27
like, I don't care. Be dead then.
00:59:29
>> You know what I mean? Cuz you'll you'll
00:59:32
say that politically. Yeah,
00:59:33
>> he may say that politically,
00:59:35
>> Mhm.
00:59:35
>> but that vote gave a license to a guy to
00:59:38
do a political purge of the greatest
00:59:40
military forces this country did, the
00:59:42
greatest turnaround this country did.
00:59:43
I've worked with these men and women at
00:59:45
all levels. The amount of dedication,
00:59:48
the amount of understanding of politics,
00:59:51
culture, history, working
00:59:53
diplomatically, working militarily.
00:59:55
Hex doesn't hold a candle any of the
00:59:58
people.
00:59:58
>> Same thing with RFK. So, you won't be
01:00:00
listening to his podcast. In other
01:00:01
words, all right. Uh, one more quick
01:00:03
break. We'll be back for predictions.
01:00:05
Okay, Rahm, let's hear prediction.
01:00:07
There's so many things. Keep it brief.
01:00:09
We got just a little time. I want to
01:00:10
play one thing at the end from NASA um
01:00:13
from the Artemis. But what is your
01:00:15
prediction?
01:00:16
>> Prediction that nobody will be held
01:00:18
accountable for playing the games in the
01:00:20
prediction market with inside
01:00:21
information. The CFTC, the SEC, the
01:00:24
Justice Department not only are asleep,
01:00:27
they're in on the scam.
01:00:29
>> Nobody for now.
01:00:32
Nobody for now under this administration
01:00:34
until they're held accountable.
01:00:36
>> And
01:00:36
>> can I do one thing personal?
01:00:37
>> Sure, please. Absolutely.
01:00:39
>> All right. My son runs a 2hour 39minut
01:00:43
marathon. He did it in Boston.
01:00:44
>> Amazing.
01:00:45
>> He's going to run the Boston Marathon
01:00:46
again. I think he'll have a personal
01:00:47
best.
01:00:48
>> Oh,
01:00:48
>> he ran a 2-hour 39 uh which was
01:00:50
incredible
01:00:51
>> in uh marathon.
01:00:54
>> I think I think this coming Boston he's
01:00:56
running again. He's going to get a
01:00:58
personal best. Oh, that's very
01:01:00
>> a prediction, a hope and a wish. And I'm
01:01:02
very proud of him.
01:01:02
>> Oh, that is amazing. You should run with
01:01:04
him. You should run with him. No, I
01:01:06
couldn't do it.
01:01:07
>> I'm not that. No, that Amy runs
01:01:09
marathons. As I always say, we're going
01:01:11
to have to do a test because I don't
01:01:12
know who your father is. I have no idea
01:01:14
about this man.
01:01:15
>> The kid's an incredible runner.
01:01:17
>> Uhhuh. Okay. And that I want to leave a
01:01:20
thing of hope. Speaking of hope, that's
01:01:21
wonderful. I one of the things I did
01:01:23
feel I think Americans really start
01:01:25
really watch this Artemis flight done by
01:01:27
NASA. It was sort of a wonderful moment.
01:01:29
All all Americans it was the numbers are
01:01:31
quite high which is wonderful. Um NASA
01:01:34
and they did a great job on social media
01:01:35
and this crew is just so wonderful. Men
01:01:38
hugging and crying and saying wonderful
01:01:41
things and laughing and it just has been
01:01:43
a real it's a wonderful group of people
01:01:45
up there and it sort of represents the
01:01:47
best of America in that regard. Kind and
01:01:50
good-hearted. NASA is preparing for the
01:01:52
return of Artemis 2 after this historic
01:01:54
moon flyby. These pictures are
01:01:55
delightful and amazing and astonishing
01:01:57
and it also makes you appreciate Earth.
01:01:59
So, let's listen to a clip from crew
01:02:01
member Christina Cook after the
01:02:03
spacecraft passed by the moon. I thought
01:02:05
it was just one of the most beautiful
01:02:07
things. Let's listen.
01:02:08
>> We will explore. We will build. We will
01:02:11
build ships. We will visit again. We
01:02:14
will construct science outposts. We will
01:02:16
drive rovers. We will do radio
01:02:18
astronomy. We will found companies. We
01:02:21
will bolster industry. We will inspire,
01:02:24
but ultimately we will always choose
01:02:27
Earth. We will always choose each other.
01:02:30
>> Just what you were talking about, Rahm
01:02:33
Maker, the head of NASA.
01:02:34
>> I actually think it was a a perfect
01:02:37
antitheical spirit to what you're seeing
01:02:41
uh out of this administration.
01:02:43
>> We'll choose Earth and we'll choose each
01:02:44
other
01:02:45
>> in a period where we did a war of
01:02:47
choice. Yeah, it was a act and it
01:02:49
touched. Look, I do think there's this
01:02:51
yearning
01:02:53
out there to actually not see our fellow
01:02:56
Americans as the enemy or the it could
01:02:59
be an opponent but from a political
01:03:01
standoint but it's not your enemy and I
01:03:03
thought she touched that human
01:03:05
conspirator and also most importantly
01:03:06
for uh the United States that's
01:03:09
something we can unify around I I don't
01:03:11
know about you I get on the you know
01:03:14
open my iPad first thing I do is see the
01:03:16
pictures they're sending
01:03:17
>> they're beautiful
01:03:18
>> and uh look at the I looked at the earth
01:03:20
from that eclipse photo which I Mhm.
01:03:22
>> was most beautiful
01:03:25
>> shot. And then there was also
01:03:26
complimentary the web telescope put out
01:03:29
new pictures of the galaxy.
01:03:30
>> Yeah.
01:03:31
>> And it's just it it it there's it
01:03:34
kindles and it's and it has that little
01:03:36
light that illuminates in you of
01:03:38
something that
01:03:39
>> uh you can as you said hopeful, proud
01:03:42
and optimistic about
01:03:43
>> and I thought her message was uh just
01:03:45
>> beautiful. It's a beautiful
01:03:47
>> family like the popes.
01:03:48
>> We have a beautiful planet. Anyway, we
01:03:50
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my new CNN show, Caris Wisher Wants to
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Live Forever, is premiering this
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Saturday, April 11th at 9:00 p.m.
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Eastern. Scott is actually going to
01:04:07
interview me at the premiere in New York
01:04:09
tonight. And also, your brother Zeke is
01:04:11
in it, and he's hysterical. He and I are
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wearing Colonial Garb together, and we
01:04:16
had a ball. Um he he worked for the
01:04:18
season. He's he's he's really good. It's
01:04:21
a making of a star. Anyway, you're all
01:04:23
you're all fascinating. The Emanuals. Um
01:04:25
anyway, thank you so much for joining me
01:04:27
today. There's never a dull moment.
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