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Pete Hegseth, Kash Patel, and Tulsi Gabbard: Trump's Picks Raise Concerns | Pivot

December 03, 2024 / 11:42

This episode discusses the controversial nominations of Cash Patel and Pete Heg to lead the FBI, highlighting their backgrounds and qualifications. Key topics include allegations against Heg, including sexual harassment and mismanagement, and Patel's loyalty to Trump and threats against journalists.

The conversation features a critical examination of Patel's character, with mentions of his desire to prosecute Trump's enemies and his questionable actions, including writing children's books about Trump. The hosts express concern over his potential influence on the FBI.

Discussion also centers on Pete Heg's past behavior, including a New Yorker article detailing his alleged misconduct and a letter from his mother calling him an abuser. The hosts reflect on the implications of such revelations for his nomination.

Concerns are raised about the overall competence of both nominees, with comparisons made to past political figures and their qualifications. The hosts emphasize the need for capable leadership in national security roles.

The episode concludes with a call for accountability and a warning about the potential dangers posed by these nominations to national security and the integrity of the FBI.

TLDR

The episode critiques Cash Patel and Pete Heg's nominations for the FBI, highlighting serious allegations and concerns about their qualifications.

Episode

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president-elect Donald Trump's pick to lead the FBI's former National Security official Kos
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Patel that's a what a strange man he is Patel is a trump loyalist who's vowed to
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come after Trump's enemies including people in the media a number of highlevel Senate Republicans have
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already indicated their willingness to get behind the choice but others not so much that it's a real it's a real mix
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bag on this guy by the way he has to fire Chris Ray Who was appointed by Trump on to a 10-year term so Chris Ray
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shouldn't be out of office until 2027 um it's alarming a lot of people um at the same time the Pete heg nomination
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is still raising big questions this New Yorker piece is a damning whistleblow report on his previous Behavior at
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running two organizations where he drank too much he Abused Women sexual harassment bunch of lying misspending
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mismanagement this story is quite has got it all by Jane Mayer um and it's it's based on well it's it's a it's a
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Dev stating very well reported piece about how bad a manager he was it may have been a bad period of his life but
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boy was it bad um The New York Times also had the 2018 email from hegs mother calling her son an abuser women that
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email was something else um she told the time she had written the messages in anger and had apologized for it but boy
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did it have a ring of Truth at the time I guess it was during the same time period um what do you think uh I thought
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the mother thing I was had mixed feelings on at the same the New Yorker P I do not it's really he's a bad bad bad
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manager and again he could be going through a difficult period but this as you recall John Tower the womanizing and
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the sexual and the drinking was a big issue and sort of scuttled his his um his nomination this guy's entirely
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unqualified for this job both of them are so what do you think about that I remember an era where you couldn't be on
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the Supreme Court if you'd been a Playboy bunny waitress at some point in your life yeah I mean you don't talk
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talk about how just a digression you know first off Patel he said that he wants to go after
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the former head of the CIA he says that he wants to prosecute and put in prison you know people who weren't supportive
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of trump he he's called and and at the same time he's found time to write kids books about
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Trump this is an odd this is an odd person and then director Ray is an outstanding individual this is a this is
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someone I I I I am so impressed by this guy every time he gets in front of Congress it's one of those rare moments
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where you can't tell if he's a Republican or he's a Democrat he's just trying to do his goddamn job and by the
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way in my opinion reflected well on Trump and everyone in those panels they actually have a productive session
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because they realize this guy is loyal to the flag first and foremost and the other thing that's so
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dangerous my no okay so I'll go to heg Seth as a mother and as the son of a single mother
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I read that letter and I found it deeply rattling one I was sad and I didn't know
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how comfortable I felt about it being made public a letter a communication an emotional letter between a mother and a
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son I do feel like it should be confidential but the fact that it's out and the fact that a mother felt
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compelled to write that to her son me too I Jesus Christ did it have a ring of Truth it absolutely did it was
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beautifully written it was also beautifully written by the way it wasn't emotional it actually was my son sucks
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right I can't imagine right me to say this right it rattled me beyond belief I thought I would write that letter if my
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son behaved like that but I would feel sick to my [ __ ] stomach for doing it but I would if my son behaved like this
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I can't imagine getting that letter from my mother I just I can't imagine like it
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would just it would devastate me so much that it would just I I I can't imagine writing it I can't imagine reading it
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and you know uh like Peter hagath by the way an outstanding Soldier deserves the
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bronze Stars he was given he should not be in the running for this position did you read the New Yorker piece it was
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disturbing onel the ending is really chilling and and the attempts to try to attack the PE there's like dozens of
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people making these these allegations not like and they're all conservative every one of them and you know this
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they're trying to like say this person had created fake rape allegations one this woman who accused him of raping her
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and then of course the reporter went to the to the to the police and they said no absolutely not she has not like they
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lie about the people they're so aggressive still it's disturbing that they're trying to shut down a dozen
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people who are who who by the way are not Democrats these are Republicans making these allegations very
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conservative Republicans he sounds like a drunk and should get some help by the way he sounds like a sexual harasser of
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women when he is drunk he's falling down drunk and all the rich people got him out of his jobs they fired him they
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fired this guy as as as good a career he had in the military they saw the need to
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fire him now he may have come back from Iraq with all kinds of troubles and he drowned them in alcohol he should get
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some help and he behaved incredibly badly and to to and he's incompetent at running he couldn't run a small
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organization he cannot run and make decisions about nuclear war for us I'm sorry and the mother thing at first when
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I read the two in combination it's devastating just devastating he's incompetent what's so disappointing is
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it appears to me that Trump and his advisers have decided we need to be adults and have a certain screen a
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pretty fine screen around people in senior appointments that impact the economy and yet they seem to have thrown
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in the towel on issues related to our military or defense or security apparatus I feel like the most
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frightening potential nominee right now is representative gabard yeah I I cannot
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believe that you are going to send a message there are agents there are CIA officers who have spent their entire
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lives and have put themselves in incredible danger every day and there's only two people to know their identities
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if they're deep and that is their case officer and potentially the head of the Central Intelligence Agency or per
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perhaps someone who's heading the entire security apparatus and do you really believe that representative gabard might
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not believe at some point to forward your names and your identity to these people because some sort of I I would be
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like out against her it is time for me it is time for you to bring me back and give me my retirement
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because I believe that one of the thing I believe this is true of of of um director Ray I believe this was true of
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George Bush when he was running the CIA I think these case officers uh quite frankly these spies
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and these assets and these FBI officers or um agents they have to believe that this person would die for
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me that this person would put himself or herself In Harm's Way before letting me
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be in harm and I think all of those people met that qualification they were deathly concerned about their safety
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they they put the safety of these people ahead of others and I don't believe that
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is true of Representative Gabbert in addition you want to talk about real harm to our national
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security no one nation can fight the rest of the world on its own and this level of arrogance that we have enjoyed
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because of our prosperity and this America first kind of Macho has given us the impression that we don't need the
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cooperation of our allies to prevent terrorism to present theft of our intellectual property and guess what the
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European economy is just as big as ours and the mosad MI6 guess what the french secret they are very good at what they
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do and on really sensitive issues on bioweapons around terrorism we cooperate we coordinate and we share information
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because guess what we have mutual shared interests in addition to that we trust each other do you think these folks are
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going to share information with these folks I think the all three of them I got to say cash Patel Pete heg and Tela
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gabard are and by the way one of the things I did when I was looking at them was find the other people that were in
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line every one of them was acceptable like they're not my favorites but they were certainly competent like the other
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names being bandied about they were fine I they're just Republicans and they're a
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little more conservative than I care to have you know a little more aggressive a
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little less little to America first for me a couple of them but you know nobody not not having allies anti- Ally okay I
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see it that's a point of view these people one is a absolutely incompetent and has a real problem with women in a
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creepy creepy way and has a drinking problem which he may or may not have taken in hand I have no idea this and
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can't run anything by the way it's just in good he's a good soldier otherwise no
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thank you the second one is insane cash Patel seems insane and the other one is feels like a Russian asset like it's
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like and the fact that he had good people and pick these guys and then also Matt Gates who they managed to get rid
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of is just such a ridiculous it's ridiculous it's really kind of like it's going to take up his whole he's going to
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have to fire Chris Ray just so you know and then that'll be chaos will he'll never get anything done because the
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chaos will ensue because they'll spend all their time doing Chaos versus doing anything he said nobody when they were
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voting for him to get the price of eggs down voted for this Luna this lunacy I'm
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sorry they didn't they didn't they didn't and that's it's an opportunity lost hagath is a terrible role model for
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young men he creates he cements or he's emboldening this notion that it's no longer a bug it's a feature to be a
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little bit rapy we can't normalize this we can't we can't normalize this what's even worse than being a poor role
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model and not being qualified a different level in my opinion of of threat is Patel who has called for using
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the power of the bureau and the justice department to prosecute journalists open
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quote we're going to come after you whether it's criminally or civil we'll figure that out he said during an
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appearance on Stephen bannon's podcast you C the fact that this guy is being considered is so the fact that as you
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described it perfectly I don't think well that I I I'll take that back it's not fair to call her a Russian asset
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she's a Russian sympath she provides comfort and Aid to the enemy and she will absolutely frighten the [ __ ] out of
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our own assets and our own allies so I don't understand why he's not bringing the same level of maturity
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to our security apparatus and our defense apparatus that he's brought to the economic appointments it just
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doesn't make any it doesn't make any sense to me I think he just gets something happens late at night with him
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maybe he's taking ketamine with Elon or something in any case we'll see what happens here but it's disturbing I would
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recommend reading the mother's letter is disturbing is along with the story from
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the New York for hgat that's for sure and I'm looking forward to the cash Patel story which is going to be just
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worse I think in a different way and the telsey gabri stories

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Episode Highlights

  • Trump's Controversial Nominee
    Patel, a Trump loyalist, raises alarms with his vow to target Trump's enemies.
    “Patel is a Trump loyalist who's vowed to come after Trump's enemies.”
    @ 00m 09s
    December 03, 2024
  • Damning Whistleblower Report
    A New Yorker piece reveals serious allegations against Heg, including abuse and mismanagement.
    “This New Yorker piece is a damning whistleblower report on his previous behavior.”
    @ 00m 37s
    December 03, 2024
  • Mother's Letter Revealed
    Heg's mother called him an abuser in a shocking email, raising questions about his character.
    “The email was something else.”
    @ 01m 11s
    December 03, 2024
  • Concerns Over National Security
    Concerns arise about Gabard's potential role in national security due to her past statements.
    “Do you really believe that representative Gabard might not believe at some point?”
    @ 06m 43s
    December 03, 2024
  • The Threat of Patel
    Patel's threats against journalists highlight a dangerous shift in political power.
    “We're going to come after you, whether it's criminally or civil.”
    @ 10m 39s
    December 03, 2024

Episode Quotes

  • This is an odd person.
    Pete Hegseth, Kash Patel, and Tulsi Gabbard: Trump's Picks Raise Concerns | Pivot
  • It was beautifully written.
    Pete Hegseth, Kash Patel, and Tulsi Gabbard: Trump's Picks Raise Concerns | Pivot
  • I can't imagine getting that letter from my mother.
    Pete Hegseth, Kash Patel, and Tulsi Gabbard: Trump's Picks Raise Concerns | Pivot
  • It's disturbing.
    Pete Hegseth, Kash Patel, and Tulsi Gabbard: Trump's Picks Raise Concerns | Pivot

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  • Alarming Nomination00:31
  • Mother's Letter01:11
  • National Security Concerns06:15

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