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June 18, 2024 / 07:10

This episode discusses OpenAI's recent appointment of retired General Paul Nakasone to its board of directors, the implications for cybersecurity, and reactions from figures like Edward Snowden. It also covers OpenAI's potential shift to a for-profit model and its rapid revenue growth.

General Paul Nakasone, former director of the NSA, joins OpenAI's board, raising concerns among some about the influence of government on technology. His appointment is seen as a move to enhance cybersecurity oversight.

Edward Snowden expresses distrust towards OpenAI on social media, suggesting that the appointment signals a deeper agenda. The hosts debate the merits of Nakasone's experience and the necessity of oversight in security matters.

CEO Sam Altman hints at restructuring OpenAI into a for-profit entity, which could lead to an IPO. The conversation touches on the company's impressive revenue growth and strategic hires, indicating a strong market position.

Overall, the hosts reflect on OpenAI's rapid expansion and its competitive edge in the AI industry, contrasting it with other companies like Nvidia.

TLDR

OpenAI appoints General Nakasone to its board amid cybersecurity concerns and considers a shift to for-profit status.

Episode

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open AI appears to be addressing recent security concerns with a new addition to
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its board of directors the company announced last week that retired General Paul nakason uh will be joining the
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board he's also uh sit on a newly formed Safety and Security committee nakason was director of the NSA which is causing
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a lot of like the the crazy right to go crazy about this and saying it's a deep State um and led uh including Elon I
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think and led the US military cyber command before stepping down early this year he's very well regarded but uh
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again uh this is a big appointment um opena I said in a statement that this appointment underscores a growing
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significance of cyber security uh what do you think about this bringing in uh Edward Snowden wasn't happy he posted on
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this on social media saying do not ever trust opena or its products there is only one reason for appointing an NSA
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director to your board so as usual without proof Edward uh but you know okay sure spy Spy so uh but it's one of
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those open-ended questions that never really has an answer or any proof attached to it but that's okay they they
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can do that so it's a thing what do you think about that I absolutely love it um
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anyone who's an army General and works their way up as as someone you know General nakason is you know this is a
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very impressive person and also this person has proven themselves a patriot and for all these weirdos on the far
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right that think there's a deep State and for all these weirdos on the far left that are under the assumption that
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the peace is a natural right that it's it's not something that requires constant vigilance and sacrifice we need
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the NSA does an amazing job keeping Americans safe and it's important that we have laws that keep them in check but
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at the same time I I just I worry that America has become so naive to this notion that peace is a right it is not
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it is earned and it is not the natural order as soon as people can come for our Netflix and espresso folks they will and
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they won't do it by interesting nice means they'll be violent about it just as we are need to be violent and smart
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about protecting our borders so to have someone like this on the board of open AI to occasionally raise his or her hand
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and say you know what that is a threat to America and I am not down with this I love having this guy on the board of
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open AI I think it's a wonderful thing it's interesting because it sort of sets up these deep State leave us alone don't
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tread on me gang um and I mean that the negative don't tread on me way the sort of demented Don't Tread on Me In Edward
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stow's case I recognize it he did uncover some really heinous Behavior by our security officials that said the way
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there there's plenty of argument to be made that that how he handled it was wrong but he couldn't have handled look
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we can debate Edward Snow all you want I interviewed him once it's a very complex
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topic but the fact assuming every NSA Chief is has Mal intent is the way to bring down all institutions now they've
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been abusive enough that there's that there needs to be strong um strong laws and oversight in
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place absolutely if a spy a spy is going to spy that is just the way it goes right it's not there's no other way to
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put it including the Chinese government they're going to spy whether you have proof or not that's what they do in this
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case as many people on the board now I would also put on someone who's a more of a like sort of an opposite to him
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could be interesting so you have all the different outlooks brought there and I'm
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not talking the problem they had was they had people that were so at Cross purposes there was no agreement and I
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think if they bring in someone who's more not distrustful of government but then challenges government overreach I
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think that's fantastic too right that's what you kind of want on a board um but this guy has has really a very very
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strong reputation I just the immediate attacks on him were fascinating to watch in a lot of ways speaking of of open AI
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they're further angering all the all the pure crowd um CEO Sam Altman has told some shareholders the companies
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considering changing its governance to a poor profit business that a nonprofit board doesn't control according to the
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information I'm shocked I'm shocked what what shocked what they are a profit company one option for forming a
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for-profit benefit Corporation similar to an anthropic and xai have in place that that's I you can explain what a
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for-profit I don't understand it Alman said that restructuring conversations are fluid and that he and his fellow
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directors can end up taking a different approach oh come on Sam come on you can't stand that nonprofit situation
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um so opena reportedly has on Pace by the way for a $3.4 billion of annual revenue well done um if opena did become
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a for-profit company what's your prediction for an IPO they just hired a very well- regged um person Sarah frier
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who was a former uh CEO of nexor and it's as his Chief Financial Officer she used to work for square she's terrific
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uh she she dealt with IPOs at next door as well as Square as I've said what what
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what is that called now I forget the new name for I call it Square still block uh
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it's called whatever I don't know I don't know I don't know what it's called but anyway square is what I call it um
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but what do you think about this talk about this a little bit so all of the stuff about the drama at the board and
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it going back and forth and whe you know and Sam being fired and then rehired it's a bit of noise because now open AI
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in the last six months they've doubled um they have doubled their uh Revenue base they're kind of running
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away with it and if you look at their run rate right now relative to their valuation they're actually the most
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reasonable reasonably valued company in AI despite the fact that they're leader the leader they are clearly clearly
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putting on their best dress for an IPO because the individual that you reference is a is a an incredibly street
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it's like when Google brought in Ruth parat and she wasn't there to take him public but this is a very Street
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friendly hire so they're clearly getting ready for an IPO and all of the kind of
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noise around open I I saw these numbers on how they're doing they are running away with it you know what they have
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Scott's they've decided to be Google and not Netscape that's what it is I see the
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Netscape had it and then lost it Google almost lost it and then had it right they really pushed aggressively um it's
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also expanding into Healthcare with a cancer co-pilot um it's working with color Health to develop an AI assistant
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using open AI Jeep they're doing deals all over the freaking map like they're they're like running circles around the
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competitors but go ahead no the you're you're exactly right they're they are I mean
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the we have a tendency to focus on the so soap opera end of this but despite all of this distraction they are growing
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the revenues faster Mist this company in France which I think will do well because I think a lot of European
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companies um and Regulators would like an AI company in Europe to emerge but if you look at just sheer Revenue growth
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and size of Revan is it's it's Nvidia and open AI are sort of running away with it

Episode Highlights

  • General Nakason Joins OpenAI Board
    Retired General Paul Nakason joins OpenAI's board, raising security concerns and debates.
    “This is a big appointment.”
    @ 00m 29s
    June 18, 2024
  • Edward Snowden's Warning
    Snowden expresses distrust towards OpenAI's new board member, stirring controversy.
    “Do not ever trust open AI or its products.”
    @ 00m 42s
    June 18, 2024
  • OpenAI's Shift to For-Profit?
    CEO Sam Altman hints at changing OpenAI's governance structure to a for-profit model.
    “I'm shocked! What? They are a profit company?”
    @ 04m 07s
    June 18, 2024
  • OpenAI's Rapid Growth
    Despite board drama, OpenAI doubles its revenue and prepares for an IPO.
    “They're running circles around the competitors!”
    @ 06m 28s
    June 18, 2024

Episode Quotes

  • Do not ever trust open AI or its products.
    What Do OpenAI's Latest Moves Reveal About a Future IPO? | Pivot
  • Peace is not something that requires constant vigilance and sacrifice.
    What Do OpenAI's Latest Moves Reveal About a Future IPO? | Pivot
  • I'm shocked! What? They are a profit company?
    What Do OpenAI's Latest Moves Reveal About a Future IPO? | Pivot
  • They're running circles around the competitors!
    What Do OpenAI's Latest Moves Reveal About a Future IPO? | Pivot

Key Moments

  • New Board Member00:07
  • Snowden's Reaction00:40
  • For-Profit Discussion03:58
  • Rapid Revenue Growth05:21

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