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and I also occasionally if I have both a gummy and um a couple makers in ginger I
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put in my airpods and I danced 80s music without my without my shirt [Music] on hi everyone this is Pivot from New York Magazine and the VOX media podcast Network I'm Cara swisser and I am in San
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Francisco and was on a flight last night uh having to read about Doge working all
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weekend taking over the government good to see you Carol so tired are you why are you back in San Francisco oh I have a bunch of things to do here I'm speaking in front of a group
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from Columbia uh University journalism school um I've got some appointments I've got a whole bunch of stuff I'm doing here in San Francisco I like to come and visit the place every now and
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then to find out you love it there I do I do I don't have a lot of time here this time but I am uh I'm excited to be
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here anyway it was a long weekend listen uh this whole Doge thing has got me off
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to a bad start um but uh but I am glad I'm in San Francisco that's for sure how are you doing well good I'm about to get on a plane for Orlando oh nice yeah um I
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have a speaking gig at Walt Disney World what uh yeah I don't ask I don't know I
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don't know I just go where they send me which place what's that why who is at Walt Disney
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World they do a lot of conventions there I guess I don't know foreigners I don't know I I don't
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know what's going on there I just know I'm going and uh and then I I spend a day there and then I go to New York for
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three or four days and oh I'm nice yeah it's February is going to be a big month it's going to be a big month and it has
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been in Washington as I said but it's just it seems very active it used to be a lot slower in the winter now it seems
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crazy maybe just I'm tired from flying all night and then being here yeah I don't know I don't you spend
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it's interesting as close as we are professionally and personally person uh we are never in the same place you spend most of your time in DC and San Francisco and I am never in DC or San
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Francisco that's why we're so close you see yeah but I it's funny you say that so just to bring this back to me I have
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a really nice relationship with my sister she's my dad's Daughter by his third marriage I'm the son by his second marriage and I'm convinced one of the reasons that we're so close now is that
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we didn't live in the same household oh I've always been shocked by how many siblings are not that close even though
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they're both really good people and I convinced it's because something traumatic happens it creates a fissure when they're living together as children
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really and when you're a sibling you feel that familial Bond but the fact that you never live together I don't
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know she looks like a different species she's attractive she's she's blonde she looks she kind of looks I was joke she
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looks like Ian youth she has big beautiful blue eyes and platinum blonde hair okay all right interesting we look
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like we're different okay yeah she likes that she likes that yeah sure we look like we look like a different species
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yeah we have a lot to get to today um May I start off by saying something someone who is a big listener of ours uh
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wrote me and uh suffered uh someone they were they knew died in that plane crash
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and said we were a little too glib about the plane crash getting making it political um and I thought about it and
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I really do uh think we were trying hard to separate it from the politics and there's no getting around it this is a terrible tragedy um of people dying and I get it um for a lot of people it's
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been turned into a political thing and maybe we did a little bit more than we should have because we said we weren't going to um so I wanted to bring that up
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I don't know how you feel about that but I I wanted to uh say uh these families are finally um they're finally finding
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everybody there it's still they have not found everybody uh in the pomac but reading these stories this week um of of
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of these families were was uh really heartbreaking I found it I found it very heartbreaking yeah it's look it's it's impossible not that's an impossible I don't want to
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call it accusation but it's an impossible comment to not land because if you knew somebody on one of those
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flights you're devastated right they're losing a loved one unexpected unexpectedly and in such a harsh
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spectacle is you know you're n kind I can't imagine any of those people including their families are ever going
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to be the same again no you know my my view is taking a step back I mean it was sort of like when the wildfires came I think at least the point I was trying to make I won't put words in your mouth is
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that rather than I would argue empathy for the people on you know who lost their homes or the people who lost their
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lives mhm the left says it's climate change the right says it's Dei in this instance the
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right mostly the left was mostly quiet the right was this is Dei and it's just a shame that a lot of that empathy gets it get some [ __ ] nods from people
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thoughts and prayers and they immediately go to how can I politicize this and our point was or not your our
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point my point was the following the FAA is arguably one of the most successful government aen season history MH and as someone who's invested in aviation the error rate you have
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to test to is 10 to the8 with to get a an a a civil aviation aircraft certified to fly passengers I mean in the ability at any moment
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there's something like 7,000 planes in the air in our airspace and the fact that they're able to minimize or keep the number of these horrific tragedies it is more dangerous to walk up your
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stairs to get on no I get that I get it and so the and just let me finish here I
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am not a fan of Dei I've said in the University setting I think that apparatus should be disassembled I think
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in the corporate setting there is absolutely still a role for Dei and people don't realize that Dei the
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removal of Dei will impact veterans ability to to get jobs but in the instance of if you were to say that the
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Dei has infected the FAA then all you could say is based on the performance of the FAA then the de then Dei should be incorporated into every organization because whatever the FAA has been doing
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the last 30 or 40 years has resulted in outstanding um metrics but I just want to Circle back I I feel whoever wrote that I trust yeah I would yeah I I apologize
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sincerely if in any way our comments come across this course that was not Our intention yeah not at all let me just say uh I I would Avail myself some one
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sometimes you can complain about media but these stories about these people and I read a bunch of them are wonderful
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especially this you know this group of skaters and friends and um it's a you know I I know plane crushes do get more attention than other things and and
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as you say not as many people die but there's it's such a sort of horrific way to die and the the way it becomes the
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spectacle is also perfect but let's just remember there's people on this flight that's all I want to say I just I I wait out of my way to to um read about their
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lives uh and it was uh you know I I I did that uh after 911 too I read so many of the biographies and stuff like that and you don't do that for everybody every day of the year who dies but um in
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that case it starts it gives you a real sense of of mortality when those happens
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to everybody and it just was anyway we're sorry uh we that was not our intent let's hope we figure out what
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happened and stop accidents like that cuz Scott is right our air travel is safe comparatively um going forward
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anyway we've got a lot to get today Trump set off a firestorm over the weekend slapping 25% tariffs on goods
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from Canada and Mexico and 10% on China's products set to go into effect this week we'll see what do you think
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Scott well just on a human level for the first time in my life it and this is an odd feeling and it's it's a mix of Shame and surprise I'm Runing for Canada not the US can I just
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make a quick note the journal had a very good story this morning that one of the reasons is he's mad about how he had to
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open the Berlin Factory that they have too many days off that they take too much work uh from sick leave I guess and
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that he doesn't like the workers and he was in infuriated with it again a lot of this early stuff started with the
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factories um in in California got mad of it at Co it's where it began um so it was very interesting the the links between the Berlin Factory and his increased activism but go ahead well
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let's let's break them down so let's start with the tariffs and let's do astram man or Steelman his argument is
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that uh countries that the America has been too St soft and that America should command the space it occupies and charge
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more in create a revenue source for access to what is the largest economy in the world and that our trade agreements
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have been asymmetric and that as they have uh we have been taken advantage of first my personal experience having
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literally done business in almost every Western nation and even negotiated agreements between private
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companies and world leaders America flexes its power every [ __ ] day I mean the notion that somehow we're
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always on the wrong end of deals when you show up almost every trade agreement we have 700 military bases in 80
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countries China has one in Djibouti and you think we just asked for those you think we just said hey wouldn't it be great idea to have a military B we Flex our power every day
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so first the base notion that somehow taken advantage of getting taken advantage of is literally comical now
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let's talk about the tariffs themselves you could make the argument all right with China the argument would
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be and I'm I'm trying to call balls and Strikes here a lot of the tariffs initially imposed in the first Trump
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administration were actually kept in place by Biden this takes it to such a deeper weirder level because for example with Canada
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25% this will just immediately raise prices for both Nations the the definition of stupid is you hurt
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yourself and you hurt others in addition you don't think China might get a military base at Colombia at some
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point you don't think can Canada they the the Canadian embassy in teron those people risked their lives to try and covertly get American hostages out of
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Iran they risk their lives because Canada sees themselves as friends Brothers siblings of America they followed us into Afghanistan they
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followed us into Iraq we have Major League Baseball National Basketball Association teams in Canada it's more
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than an ally they are they are with us and Canada right now can't even answer the question what do you want from us what's the endgame here why didn't you call us your good friend and say this is
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our concern and this is what we're trying to achieve I don't even think they know they can't even answer the question what is his endgame here in
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this [ __ ] that well the we've got to reduce the level of fentanyl you can sort of make that argument against China
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and Mexico you can't make it against Canada yeah the he wants to be the 51st state there's that thrown in there that
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Canada so okay you've managed to raise prices to diminish the quality of life of a friend to diminish Goodwill that
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has been built up over 150 years and it's just going to raise consumer prices it's not only Reckless it is literally the definition
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of stupid is doing something that hurts others and hurts yourself especially the
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one against Canada I I I I can sort of see the argument at least theoretically about the drug trade and Fentanyl coming
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through Mexico fine the immigrants the 250,000 people coming over the Border maybe China I can sort of make an argument I still don't think it's smart but the tariffs against Canada right all
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right one of the I mean the Mexicans uh Mexican president who's who seems very much more aggressive than previous
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residents was making the point stop wanting drugs so much do something about your own drug problem within the country
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and the demand which you never do uh there has been an an effort by The Mexican government to slow all that down right there has been progress made um
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and it's still an issue of course it's an enormous border and drugs are attractive on both sides the users and the the makers of the drugs are the people who bring them to us um but again
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this seems Seems like in Trump's head and I've read Economist after Economist that is just like this is the world's worst thing to happen to everybody and
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it will be attacked you know there were a couple of um anchors who just doesn't seem to know
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math that it'll be a tax on the American Consumer that they're not going to get through tax breaks because the tax
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breaks are going to the very wealthy they're not going to uh and this is a direct tax on the American Consumer it's
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really quite something and the price of every all this weird I had no idea that so much stuff and I you know I I know that we're doing lots of trade vaguely but in terms when you start to get the
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specifics of what we Port fresh fruits and vegetables gas obviously maple syrup things like that but um some of it you know cars that go back and forth across the border I I was vaguely aware of that
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but it's really we are they aren't the 51st state but they sure as hell aren't just another country that is true and I
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think the same is with Mexico we have so much trade with them and there was a hope that we'd put more uh technology
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engineering there so it was closer and less at risk than in China right um he thinks it's a it's a negot ating tactic
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and one of the things um let me look it up Mark Cuban said which I thought was smart is said he'll he'll make some
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calls and call them off right away and then declare Victory essentially you know do a pinky promise that I think
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that's what he said um that he was tough and then he can take his win and go home
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essentially which I it sounded like a pretty reasonable idea of what this idiot's going to do
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essentially um if you were to Game Theory this out the most likely outcome is that immediately you're going to see
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a spike in prices or near immediately a lot of companies have been stockpiling I was on the board of a retailer and I was
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speaking to the C coo the other day and he said yeah the tariffs in China we knew they were coming so we've been stockpiling things and get trying to get
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get them in until this gets solved so you're not I actually don't think you're going to see price increases as quickly as people think maybe we will but we
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will see price increases and then he will come up with some sort of he'll declare Victory and say he got something
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and most likely roll them back somewhat or all that's the most likely scenario yeah what we're not thinking about
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is that people have memories people have egos and we're no longer a trusted Ally
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we no longer can be counted on you're going to see that the Canadians are going to be more likely to import byd
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electric vehicles and what's interesting about this and I gu more for people who don't know and mendacious as you look at
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it it's clear must fingerprints are all over this because if you look at Tesla they actually have to their credit the greatest manufacturing depth what do I mean by that that if you're an American
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car maker sometimes certain car parts or components literally go up and down Canada and cross Mexican borders 6 8 10 times M there's tariffs going to be
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everywhere in American automobile companies except Tesla the majority of their parts are manufactured vertically
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here in the S the majority of the automobiles they sell in China which would be subject to the reciprocal tariffs that China is going to impose on American Products the majority of Tesla sold in China are
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actually manufactured in China now and Tesla is suing Europe for their 7 half% tariff they put on uh Tesla sold manufactured in China so actually these tariffs in my view were massaged and
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written and negotiated to a certain extent by Elon Musk yeah because what this amounts to in the automobile industry is it's going to seriously impair US Auto comp IES but it's not
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going to impair uh Tesla but this is what people don't realize he'll he'll try and get some sort of political win flexes muscle America's back but the amount of goodwi that we are eroding
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long term this isn't how you operate a business this isn't how you it's called distributed negotiations or one is a
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winner and a loser um I was reading a whole thing about his negotiating style which doesn't work on the international
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stage um this is what Cuban said he's going to say pinky Square you will protect our border and buy more booze
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and stuff from us they will say yes won't actually buy this stuff and he will declare Victory Trump anomic that's
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right that's I think and and long term they're just not going to be as inclined to to coordinate cooperate with our
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Central inter intelligence agency when there's a terrorist threat cell in their country I mean this will just this will
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just have in Inc this isn't the reason the US is the most powerful nation in the world is for a variety of reasons
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our geography our natural resources our IP but also the incredible amount of admiration and Goodwill our allies have
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for us and he is taking that and he is eroding it at an unbelievable rate let's listen to uh uh prime minister Justin Trudeau essentially called Trump's actions a betrayal of our alliance which
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you just said together we've built the most successful economic military and security partnership the world has ever seen a
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relationship that has been the Envy of the world yes we've had our differences in
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the past but we've always found a way to get past them as I've said before if president Trump wants to usher in a new golden age
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for the United States the better path is to partner with Canada not to punish us that's a very good see he's also gaining he's had to leave because of pressure from
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conservatives too and now they're all joined together um just some more things and then we'll move on next thing uh
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Larry Summers has called the tariffs against Canada and Mexico inexplicable and dangerous he's usually right about
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things he's an economist obviously well an economist uh Trump acknowledged it could cause some pain but how bad could
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it get um as we said alcohol food Cars toys uh pretty much everything um they'll also uh these terorists will also Target that di Minimus provision that allows packages of less than $800
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to ship to the US dutyfree that loophole has been a boon uh a boon for for Sheen
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t t TAMU and others I suspect he'll he'll be a paper tiger here correct I mean do you imagine I think that he's going to do exactly what Mark says well as Senator that both of us
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know heard our comments that and our disappointment in the Democratic party around messaging and hitting back and called me and said what would you do and I'm like don't play the indignant card
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don't talk about all these federal employees being laid off don't be outraged have have five or six different
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items whether it's eggs whether it's Lumber whether it's a toy I don't know what you know a car a new Chevrolet and
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have it on the DNC website and just every day announce what the prices are inflation is number one on people's
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minds that's what they promise to BR prices down and I don't see any way around how interest rates or prices
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don't immediately or near immediately tick up and that's what impacts people every day and that's what he promised to
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immediately bring down is we were going to bring prices down um immediately this is it's just it
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really is very um I just don't get I don't get the end game here I don't yeah well I don't understand what they're what their because he was he was he was prices down and tax cuts I think and
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none of those things are on the are on the thing it's Dei at the FAA and tariffs and destroying the government
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essentially which seems to be taking advantage of his chaotic friend Elon Musk or helping well all these stories
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that would have made huge news and had real scrutiny one there's fewer journalists to cover them and you flood the Zone with all of this stuff that by
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the way these tax cuts are talking about just so you know Caris switcher and Scott Gallow are getting a tax cut
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anyone else on this show that makes less than $300,000 a year is getting a tax hike MH so these tax cuts again done
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under the cover of flooding the zone are going to cut taxes on people making over
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the people making over $300,000 we got a small tax cut people making over $800,000 or million Buck a year about to
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get a pretty nice tax cut is that what you voted for more more wealth for the more wealth for the 1% but no one's even talking about it because everything seems even more outrageous no it is
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there's so many things here that we can't the media and I don't think consumers can absorb it and that was
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their strategy in some ways it's sort of mendaciously brilliant just oh slip in a
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slip in a tax cut for the rich because they're going to be focused on all this stuff over here all our accusation of
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Dei and the things we're doing at the CDC there's just so much here and one thing feels more strange weird Reckless economically stupid than the next they
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won't notice all this other stuff project 2025 is being implemented I could go let me go through the other
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ones that happened over 8,000 US Government websites been deleted a result of Trump's ordered end programs
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to promote gender ideology information about vaccines hate crimes and veterans care has been removed among the removed
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3,000 pag from the CDC 100 pages from the FDA 200 pages from Head Start start a program for low-income children and a th000 pages from the Department of Justice a lot around January 6th um
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obviously usaid was the other thing that was happening looks like they're closing it down they went in over the weekend
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and took control of the agency which they're trying to close down apparently Elon said on on on X on a spaces I guess
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uh that they are closing it down and they also tweeted it should die it was a criminal organization making all kind of
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accusations sounds like he has a band of teenagers young people helping him do this um Troublesome they are claiming
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that nobody without security clearance got access but it sounds pretty uh middle of the night on the weekend which
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he bragged about saying um one of his advantages in superpowers is he works on the weekend uh I work on the weekend but I don't consider a superpower can we can
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we talk about the sites or the yes we will yes let's go let's go to the sites let's go to the sites
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well I've always maintained so for example there was an HIV transmission calculator and I've maintained that actually I don't think Trump is uh
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homophobic I'm not even sure it's fair to say that their policies are misogynistic what I think their policies
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are I don't know what the right term is here I I don't think this is a war on women I don't think it's a war on gay gay people I think it's a war on poor
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people and if you have the CDC had an HIV transmission calculator mhm and if you're a young man discovering your sexuality and you live with a single mother you don't have a lot of money
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maybe you've dropped out of high school it's important that these kids have this
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information about about I think it's called prep and pep and what certain types of sex result in transmission of
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HIV it's important that if you have an an STD and you find out that you're pregnant what that means and what
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treatment are available and all those sites have been taken down now who does that impact would it impact my son no it
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impacts poor kids it impacts poor women and this is the it's the definition of censorship and purposely regressing and taking us back it feels like it's not I
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don't think it's an a war on women or lgbtq it's a war on poor women sorry it is it's it's a war on lots of things that stuff they're taking down across the government is it's not just poor
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people they're trying to like abgate to eliminate other anyone else that has remember they're taking down like they
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have a black history month or gay pride month who does it impact well that kind of stuff it's the same message it's it's if you read project 2025 it's not just of course it impacts poor people but it
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also impacts the idea of any kind of identity Beyond you know veterans need to veteran um you know CDC needs to CDC don't talk about anything else um it's
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it's an idea it's an idea that has driven them crazy which is that we should celebrate diversity I guess
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that's you know it's a it's a broader Obsession that they have with this issue and that's how you led to sort of the
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FAA thing which is it had to be uh diversity Equity inclusion that caused these crashes even though in we haven't
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had a crash in a very very long time when those things were in place um uh which probably is a tragic accident BL you know that's really what it is and and that's what happens in life but
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um but I think it's a it's an it's an attack it's a bigger I ideological attack of things they're trying to
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eliminate in schools um let me just say my kids in a public school in DC I am very nervous they're going to start meddling with the education system she came home and was talk she said oh I
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learned the word diverse today and I said what does that mean to you and she goes oh they were all different and she wasn't using race she was like oh we're
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all different people from each other and um it's good to be you know to have differences and it's good to have things
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in common it was a very like you know chalk vanilla strawberry way of thinking about it but I was like oh they're going to take that out of her education just the word which was frightening in a lot
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of ways you know I think it's a bigger issue you know taking the word diversity out of whatever I think they're going to do a lot of medaling Education I think it terms of actual damage on the ground
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not letting having information around vaccines uh for new mothers who may not not have access to you know formal
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education uh not having access to information around STDs not having access to information around HIV
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transmission not having access to who you can Conta contact if you think your landlord is unfairly abusing you and
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won't give you your deposit back I I generally believe America even under Trump that rich people continue to have more rights at the expense of poor people and I think that's the basic
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fulcrum and the Injustice in our society right now I think I think the majority of the people who are in special
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interest groups as long as you have money I think you're fine I I just this to me is just a a war on poor
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people and they give a it's it's I I agree with you it's ideologically driven but what they've said is in order to execute it we're going to give rich people a pass on all these things they
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will still have access to Medical abortions they will still have access to lawyers to ensure they have civil rights
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they will still have access to marriage if they want it they're fine it's poor people who who
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are going to Bear the brunt of all this ideological weirdness I very much think they're going to go after marriage this
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is the Hallmarks of all of it I think this is they're going to go after that they're trying to get it to the Supreme Court just like they did with
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affirmative action they're they're trying to get Lial cases with the Press there's certain this Obsession about gender
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ideology has really twisted them in a way that's really um it's just Twisted them in ways that I
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think is much more at the heart of ideology than just let's attack the poor people I think they have a real they
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they want to push back so much of the stuff uh that has happened over the past couple years probably including among
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their children and everything else so we'll see where it goes but it taking down pages is really just about it seems
00:28:45
so needlessly cruel um let's go on a quick uh break when we come back when we we'll talk about winners and losers from
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the latest round of big Tech earnings we'll talk a little bit more about what musk is doing by being the not not the
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second president the president we're recording this Monday morning the US markets just opened a little while ago
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and the Dow dropped 600 points NASDAQ is down 2% S&P down around 1.75% Global stocks are also plunging we'll get back to Elon Musk running the United States in a second but um it's
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been a few busy days for Tech earnings Also let's go through it to sort of line us up for that Apple reported
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Blockbuster earnings for its most recent quarter but the numbers show a slight dip in year-over-year iPhone Revenue
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probably not a surprise showing Apple intelligence did not boost sales that they had hoped although it introduced
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sort of at the end of the quarter Microsoft reported a 12% year-over-year rise in Revenue although its Cloud
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business is slowing and meta beat expectations with Revenue Rising 21% in the last quarter really big performance
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from meta Tesla mostly missed expectations on earnings and revenue with $25 billion in quy Revenue
00:29:51
Automotive Revenue fell 8% um these earnings were announced during the initial deep seek friendly la
00:29:58
last week um there's questions about the AI spending plans Microsoft has earn has
00:30:04
earmarked $80 billion for AI this year meta has pledged as must of 65 billion um let's talk about uh obviously tariffs probably may or may not affect them and
00:30:16
uh at the same time they've pledged uh fty to Trump in one way or another um another things to throw in as met as
00:30:23
repan talks to reincorporate in Texas or another state according to the Wall Street Journal uh out of Delaware it has
00:30:30
to do with certain lawsuits uh that Mark Zuckerberg is facing I believe um but Texas seems to be the place where they all have is their safe space uh thoughts about the
00:30:41
earnings yeah like they continue to do I mean all of them it just went from sort of better you know good better best the
00:30:50
I don't think you've seen any any chill around earnings what the thing I find most interesting is that
00:30:58
all of them uh have essentially said we're going big at um AI except for Apple in terms of capex and no one is thinking that apple is the dumb one right now Apple said we're going to take
00:31:10
sort of a waitand see approach and we're going to leverage other people's technology and Investments and apple
00:31:16
just continues to you know sort of overperform and then the other one is uh meta using their kind of AI ad technology they continue to serve more ads more targeted more effective it's
00:31:31
almost like what Tim Cook did to meta was similar to what we did to China around Ai and that is we forced or Tim Cook with their opt-in kind of trying to
00:31:43
knap uh meta actually inspired them to figure out a workaround where now their ad stack is is much more robust and much
00:31:50
more Aid driven and uh just as we held kind of sophisticated chip techn chip techn techology from uh China which forced them to come up with a workaround that might in fact disrupt American AI
00:32:05
uh Apple sort of is no one is criticizing Apple now for not making these enormous uh announcements about just
00:32:12
these staggering Investments but I do you see any effect of the deep seek that came at the end of the quarter obviously
00:32:18
and it did shake up the shake up the stock market and people worried about the spending this is my my thesis right now and is that similar that AI may be like
00:32:32
I mean there's three layers to AI Loosely speaking buckets there's the infrastructure layer the Nvidia guys
00:32:37
there's the llms the anthropics the open AIS perplexity in there and then there's
00:32:42
the application layer an Expedia an Airbnb or whoever comes up with AI to do more sophisticated things or make their
00:32:48
services better they're the customer layer I wonder if this is going to end up being like the airline industry and
00:32:55
the PC industry where there's a massive increase in in economic value and productivity but no one company is able
00:33:00
to capture the majority of revenues similar to the way people are banking that Microsoft open Ai and Nvidia are
00:33:06
going to be able to capture it Now intel captured a ton of Revenue and shareholder value because they were the
00:33:11
brands inside of PCS I was on the board of Gateway computer do you remember that oh of course Ted weit yeah we okay get
00:33:18
this PCS changed the world you on that board what I was on the board of Gateway talk about the weakest Flex in the world
00:33:24
I wonder what happened to it no sorry sorry did I say that anyways so we were the second largest manufacturer of
00:33:32
computers think about it if someone had said 100 years ago PCS or 50 years PCS these supercomputers that cost the government billions of dollars we're going to be able to put one on every
00:33:46
desk PC manufacturers deal for a little while but not anyone else Lenovo Asus compact Packard belt remember all these companies none of them got anywhere
00:33:59
maybe with the exception of Dell in a in a product that revolutionized the world the airline industry really good
00:34:05
analogies God you come up with a good you really do I hadn't thought about that well I'm not done I'm not done so the airline industry I'm about to get on a plane and in eight and a half hours
00:34:18
I'm going to be in [ __ ] Disney World yeah for like now granted I'm going to spend a [ __ ] ton of money cuz I'm a narcissist but I could do it for
00:34:26
$400 I could could skirt along the surface of the atmosphere at 8/10 the speed of sound for almost no money
00:34:34
almost no money as opposed to getting scurvy or having to eat my niece in through the passage of of the the Andes or the Rockies which they had to do 150
00:34:45
years ago commercial jet Transportation go ahead but you see what I'm saying jet
00:34:51
commercial jet Transportation yeah has been remarkable and guess what the airlines have lost more money than they've made yeah because there's no barriers of Entry everyone copied each
00:35:02
other and all of the value was recognized by the general public and I now believe after what I saw with deep
00:35:08
seek by the way I just [ __ ] loved that Sam Alman was copying everything and then someone cop we're get I'm gon
00:35:14
to ask that in a second but go ahead but yeah this might be a tectonic shift and I'm drunk on this idea I'm intoxicated
00:35:22
by this idea that AI might be the airline or the PC industry where there's enormous value created and it's all captured by consumers and the public and
00:35:33
the Commonwealth but no one company is able to capture the trillions of dollars in value that we become used to so who's the Microsoft who's the Google anyway let me let me not you most noted open AI
00:35:46
they're in talks to raise $40 billion in a funding round which would value the company as high as $300 billion SoftBank
00:35:52
would lead the round investing between 15 and 25 billion there's there was several good Moshi son uh things I
00:35:59
forgotten how much success he's had too even though he's had so many disasters he's like one or the other it's
00:36:04
fascinating um I looked at Lon La Barber's book called Gambling Man which it was really quite good I recommend it
00:36:11
um open AI was valued at 157 uh uh uh billion dollars in October uh meanwhile Sam is giving competition some credit on Reddit in ama this weekend when asked if opena would show
00:36:25
users all of the thinking steps out Alman said yes and give credit to R1 Al also known as deep seek when after to consider more open- Source approach like meta Lama he said the company was
00:36:36
discussing doing so and he feels we've been on the wrong side of History uh uh do you what do you think of him admitting the company needs to make changes and of course this fundraising round he he certainly moves fast I'll
00:36:48
tell you that I have never heard a bell signaling the top like the [ __ ] gong of oian saying he's going to invest 50 billion yeah in open a 15
00:37:02
15 uh I I read that it was going to be as much as 45 no 15 and 25 billion there's A40 billion fundraising and he's going to be 15 or 25 billion okay yeah
00:37:14
so 15 of a $40 billion round at a valuation I read that is greater than the valuation on bike dance right now at somewhere between 300 and 350 billion
00:37:26
yes that's correct so when Mas yoshian says we need to be crazy he's living up to it I think this
00:37:34
will be I think this will go down is arguably in terms of gross tonnage gross Capital lost I think this is I I think this is just so [ __ ]
00:37:48
ridiculous not a fan you're thinking we work here versus one of the others where he's made a ton of money coule some real
00:37:55
kills weor was V in death space it wasn't a tech company this is a tech company there's a non-zero probability that given how smart Sam is given this unbelievable technology which I'm using
00:38:07
50 times a day they will figure out a way I I don't see how it right now given the fact that the Chinese appear to have come up with something very robust for a
00:38:19
fraction or less the lack of barriers of Entry the regulatory issues I don't see
00:38:25
how this is today one of the 15 most valuable companies in the world now what they're saying is for Mas yoshian to get his limited partners the return they expect with the riskier he's saying this
00:38:39
will be one of the five or seven most valuable companies within three years right in the world this to me is an
00:38:47
asymmetrically incredibly Bad Bet and he is known for and to be fair he did armm
00:38:55
uh he had big win there he's had some wins but his vision funds his vision yeah I mean his vision
00:39:03
funds have underperformed the market he himself is a great entrepreneur SoftBank
00:39:09
or his Telco has done really well but the funds themselves have underperformed the benchmarks and to me this is this is literally I saw the valuation here and
00:39:23
when I look at the wrist facing open a the fact they have no vertical distribution they don't even if AI ends
00:39:28
up being as big as it is even if I'm wrong and there is private company capture along the lines of what cloud
00:39:34
and and smartphones were there's so many competitors who have direct distribution
00:39:39
or existing relationships whether it's Microsoft that has a direct relationship with 97% of every corporation over a
00:39:45
million dollars in the world whether it's apple with their iPhones whether it's anthropic which has a large
00:39:51
investment from Amazon where 80% of households are in a monogamous relationship via Prime and then there's
00:39:57
open AI which masi yoshian is telling his limited partners of this valuation is going to be one of the seven most
00:40:02
valuable companies in the world in the next 36 months I I just think it's nut Gambling
00:40:08
Man he's a Gambling Man there you go gambling man yeah it's really interesting to look at his history because he really has gotten some huge
00:40:16
wins and some enormous and we work obviously with his most famous ones but there's been others um what what do you
00:40:23
think of Sam shifting this like shifting oh yes H and then also uh the the open source thing like a lot of the Facebook people um Yan laon was like huh interesting because they've been touting
00:40:36
you know open source of course the whole time I I just think if you go to open AI right now and type in what is karma
00:40:43
there's a picture of Sam Alman crawling everyone's information and stealing it and then when he goes to sleep someone crawls his information and steals from
00:40:49
him yeah I just I think this is such comeuppence from open AI what happens to this company I think it probably ends up being an amazing company doing amazing things and
00:41:03
and the limiteds at the vision fund go what the [ __ ] were we thinking investing at $350 billion valuation I don't this
00:41:11
guy is so good the technology is so amazing I'm not suggesting it's not going to be an incredible compan not a Wei work is what you're saying not a
00:41:17
weor here we we weor was literally the definition of insanity let's let's let's create an app for scheduling the conference room and call ourselves a tech company let's buy office space for
00:41:27
a million dollars and lease it out at 200,000 a year just to show growth that make no [ __ ] sense there is a there
00:41:34
is a non-zero probability here that they lead the revolution that's the most seminal change in technology in history
00:41:41
I am now betting that the majority of that capture is going to be by the larger economy and based on the fact
00:41:46
they have no vertical distribution based on the fact that China has popped up and said hey we're here again and guess what
00:41:52
we're making similar [ __ ] for cheaper as we've always done based on the fact their competitors have vertical
00:41:58
distribution stupid [ __ ] idea to if he raises M if they were raising money at 50 billion I'd try I'd be calling MOS
00:42:04
and say I think you're amazing I've been a Sprint Customer back from the 90s can I get on this deal at 350 billion yeah
00:42:11
it was 157 in October so that that is kind of a a leap at this time you know I think they'll one thing that open and Sam Alton have is this ability to be flexible and say one thing on Tuesday
00:42:23
and a very different thing on Thursday you know whatever it takes um the open source thing is sort of
00:42:30
interesting as they move forward um obviously the Microsoft won that open close thing with apple many years ago although you would say you'd rather have been Apple in many ways so it'll be
00:42:42
interesting what will happen to this company I I I sort of Wonder you know I've always thought is it Netscape or is
00:42:48
it Google that's always been my question about them and it'll be really interesting to see how he um navigates
00:42:55
navigates himself uh through through this diff I I have not done enough reporting to understand
00:43:02
what's happening here when you see him saying we' been on the wrong side of History that's quite a statement right
00:43:07
what does that mean precisely um consider a more open- Source approach you better hurry that's all I have to
00:43:13
say if he's going to want to dominate that and in that case it's not quite the same company but it is hard as you said
00:43:19
vertical distribution is critical I think here if you're going to do anything maybe a merger I I kept
00:43:24
thinking a merger with someone Microsoft Apple someone like that that's what I kept thinking but no one's going to no
00:43:30
one's going no one's going to pay $ billion dollar I'm not going to pay too much for this Muffler yeah it's a good Muffler by the way the people the people
00:43:36
investing in that round they're not looking for 350 billion they're looking for a trillion back and guess what if I type into open AI or chat GPT in the
00:43:43
voice of Caris swisser specifically referencing chapter 7 on on you know whatever it is Microsoft from her book Burn book it's remarkably accurate in
00:43:54
your voice referencing that chapter have crawled your book yeah they are using your IP without paying you yeah so deep
00:44:01
seek bring it on copy that [ __ ] sh do to him what he's been doing to us I am so here for deep it is so weird to be rooting for a Chinese company Chinese
00:44:15
Canadians and the Germans anyway let's get on a quick break we come back more on elon's hostile takeover the US
00:44:21
government which is what I called it Scott we're back um Elon Musk Doge now has access as I said the Federal payment
00:44:27
system uh must criticize the US Treasury Department obviously they're trying to close down usaid he said he's doing it
00:44:34
on instructions from president Trump and he's doing what he said they're saying that there stuff uh obviously uh the
00:44:41
concern is privacy and uh sensitive and classified information being accessed by
00:44:46
a bunch of kids that's a worry that's sort of been a been a narrative around over the weekend obviously the way they
00:44:53
did it was sort of in the middle of the weekend they crashed in all kinds of people left and tried to stop them um
00:44:59
it's quite a dramatic thing and then Congress has no ability to stop him um in some way uh it is concerning that the
00:45:06
world's uh richest man has and a private citizen that has contracts with massive
00:45:11
contracts with the federal government has this much access and now seemingly has the power to close down entire uh
00:45:17
departments they think it's a obviously I'm doing a on with some of the experts of what he did at Twitter um and is
00:45:24
doing here um but it's it it is one way to take over a government um is to be doing this and of course they're arguing
00:45:31
that they're trying to save money and it's the only way to do it but they're flinging all kinds of uh unsupportable
00:45:36
allegations about different things but of course that chaos is part of the plan here any thoughts on
00:45:43
this well when you have the world's richest man who can deny people their you know get in the way of their Medicare Social Security veterans benefits unilaterally based on his crew
00:45:55
that shows up I mean it's the ultimate We complain about regulatory capture and private capture we richest man in the world do now have access to who gets money from the federal government
00:46:06
without the approval or the oversight of our elected representatives so again there's just so much crazy [ __ ] going on that we never thought we would see that people don't seem to be they're
00:46:20
just they you know it's triage right now there's so many incoming projectiles that everybody that they don't know how to respond and absorb this but he is now
00:46:31
kind of the puppet master and I the notion that he can go into a website and turn off payments for social services or
00:46:40
government services or shut off foreign aid uh at his sole discretion um it's just he says he's do he's doing it on the president's orders so go ahead well that's fair because
00:46:52
he's appointed by the president the president can remove him but my ression is based on the the tariffs the Market's
00:46:59
reaction to taking a stock op that basically okay you have one guy who the president has entrusted to make these
00:47:05
decisions real time and it's uh you know we the the one of the downsides or the upsides of a bureaucracy and what people would argue correctly is sometimes an inefficient
00:47:17
government is that we don't let any you know power corrupts and absolute power absolutely corrupts and what we have
00:47:23
here is absolute power and what do you know it's the world's wealthiest man and it goes back to the same thing there has
00:47:28
to be a check on this American Experience where we just have decided that money translates to not only power but to rights and we are transferring
00:47:41
more and more wealth which subsequently means more and more power and probably most upsetting more and more rights at
00:47:48
the expense of poor people and what's going to happen to every company that isn't owned by musk and and I look at these tariffs and I'm like this is brilliant he's figured out a way MH to
00:48:01
create a tariff that pretty much exempts Tesla everyone's like well Tesla sells a lot of cars into China no all the Char cars being sold in China are manufactured in China they're not
00:48:11
subject to tariffs yeah anyways it's it's I find it very distressing there are there are very very little it's interesting to see whether you saw those protests in Germany or not seeing them
00:48:22
in this country whether but musk's uh favorables are quite low really quite low considering most a lot
00:48:29
of people look up to him um which is interesting because it does look especially with this this crew he's got
00:48:34
around him it feels like a movie someone made up right some of this stuff and one of they're all kids they're all kids of
00:48:41
some sort that are around him or people that work for they're all his people that are coming in and demanding to see
00:48:47
everything demanding they're they're you know they're like the they're like the Evil Genius Bar essentially that's going
00:48:52
into all these places and they did take over what was essentially The Genius bar for the government the US digital
00:48:57
service and they've renamed it the US Doge service um and that gives them access this these were already set up
00:49:03
these these offices in every Federal uh federal government uh facility in every Department um and and you know some of them some of them literally were was just a colle was just a camp counselor
00:49:16
and one kid did this astonishing Computing around decoding um these ancient Scrolls brilliant people who had brilliant coding skills and Brilliant computer skills um but it's this sort of
00:49:28
team one guy is called Big Balls that's his nickname which I doubt he has them if that's what his nickname is I bet
00:49:34
they're small balls um it's just it the whole thing feels so bizarre and people are freaking out because I don't think
00:49:40
many people can do anything right what do you do when he does this um there it doesn't feel like Congress has a handle on it the Democrats do not control Congress um it feels like it's a plain
00:49:52
sight just this is how they're going to go through every Federal agency and do this unless they're stopped by courts
00:49:59
that's you know which is interesting now Ezra Klein was making a really interesting uh argument which I I like
00:50:06
I'm going to read from it um there's a reason Trump is doing all this through executive orders rather than submitting
00:50:11
these directives as legislation to pass through Congress a more powerful executive could persuade Congress to eliminate the spending he opposes a
00:50:18
reform the Civil Service uh to give himself powers of hiring firing that he seeks to write those changes into
00:50:23
legislation make them more durable and allow them to argue their merits in a more strategic way even if Trump's aim
00:50:29
is to bring the C civil service to heal to get to rid of his opponents and to turn it to his own ends he would be
00:50:35
better off arguing that he's simply trying to bring High Performance Management culture to of Silicon Valley to the federal government you never want
00:50:43
a power grab to look like a power grab I thought that was exactly on point I don't know what you think he's calling it week this is a week I'm Flex I think
00:50:53
almost every life lesson can be extracted from one of the seasons of Game of Thrones and I feel like Elon
00:50:58
Musk right now is the high is the um High Sparrow oh that's not good for him and tomman is is President trump it feels to me like um Trump is just kind
00:51:11
of massaging and coordinating everything here and shows up with these really impressive probably very hardworking intensely smart group of people who show
00:51:21
total faaly to musk like a like a god and I bet Trump admires that and Trump says to him show that same sort of loyalty to him and Trump says this guy's smart he fired 80% of Twitter staff this
00:51:33
is exactly what we need in the government and they just go at it and I I don't think at this point Trump has the regulatory checks uh to even slow him down unless he were to decide to
00:51:45
fire him right so I think he's just going after it so fast and so Furious junkyard dog that's what he is he's just he doesn't care what he does to get there yeah it just it feels and I think
00:51:57
the damage here is going to take um I mean there's a component of it that I understand there's a kernel of like value you know it's something has to shake it up something has to shake it up
00:52:09
right you can see the importance of shock value and occasionally you do need to kind of go in with a hammer not a
00:52:15
scalpel it strikes me that this is just so reckless this is what he did at Twitter this is the same tactics you
00:52:22
know one of the things that you know when they were talking about oh look the word fork in the road is in the um is in
00:52:28
the letter Eli musk wanted you to see that they he know he wanted you to know it was you know it was me tell them it was me you know what I mean like he want he wants people to have us to and the
00:52:39
journalist to write that he's trying to copy what he did at Twitter right which which is which a lot of these moves you
00:52:45
know he remember he seized the systems fired people took over people there was worries about privacy it's the same kind
00:52:52
of Playbook that he has there sleeping in the office that's his favorite thing to too apparently that beds at the
00:52:58
office of personnel management bringing in his cronies this is the same you know it's like watching Fast and Furious over
00:53:05
and over again except they're a bunch of Geeks I guess I agree with you I I think it's it's really I do think it's the
00:53:11
mark of a loser and he wants to be seen as a king and so he's he's sicking his his this guy on people and to scare them
00:53:20
and I'm not so sure they're so easily scared that's I think this FBI agent that push back a lot of these people at
00:53:26
these agencies are pushing back and we'll see we'll see if Congress has any kind of balls which they don't in any
00:53:33
way they kind of like it in some weird way the Republicans certainly do but I don't know I don't know we'll see where
00:53:40
it goes we'll see where it goes um and and the concerns of course are privacy and the ability for these people to to download all this information about people um we'll see why these what
00:53:52
explanations they have of course but uh let's just say we Scott and I I don't trust them on first blush all right one
00:53:59
more quick break we'll be back for wins and fails okay Scott let's hear some wins and
00:54:06
fails it strikes me that you need a better strategy than showing up at churches and schools and
00:54:12
workplaces for these U immigration rates I don't I just find it so ironic that that the agency's charge with locating people okay starting with
00:54:27
starting with people who've been detained for a crime I get it but it just strikes me as so ironic that that
00:54:35
they have determined the place to find these undocumented workers is at work church or school doesn't that make them the most American of us I mean harders
00:54:46
it's just so it's so un it's so ironic but it appears that we've decided that if we want to find undocumented workers we should go to a workplace or they're sending their kids to school
00:54:59
or they're going to worship it it's just so I find it so so telling that maybe maybe I mean I I I'm not about I'm not against deporting people but I find it
00:55:13
Illuminating that okay we didn't wake up one day and just find out that 177% of people on construction work sites were undocumented workers and what I don't
00:55:24
think we've come to grips with in terms of an honest conversation around this is one I do believe I don't think you can
00:55:29
have open borders but two the reason why we have let this go so far is that the most if the secret sauce of America is
00:55:36
immigration the most profitable part of that secret sauce has been illegal immigration and we don't want to have an honest conversation about it because
00:55:42
they come in they take care of grandma they pick our crops they build our houses and then when the work dries up
00:55:47
they leave without taking social security they pay social security taxes but they never stick around for Social Security they actually don't lean on our
00:55:54
social services because they're worried about being deported and if you seen what's happened at construction sites Across America they're empty people
00:56:01
aren't showing up so I wonder if this strategy is just of of trying to shock and a and intimidate is very shortsighted and not good for the economy and not going to accomplish what
00:56:12
we need to accomplish in terms of having a sane immigration strategy that's my you know anyways I that that call it two
00:56:20
fails in a row here the other real fail again under the opes of flooding The Zone with mendacious [ __ ]
00:56:27
you know foreign aid freeze I think we spent about $70 billion or about $200 per Citizen and this is some of the things we do you know in
00:56:39
Sudan you know the US supports 600 and uh you know we support 634 soup kitchens that feed almost a million people and Tha
00:56:51
Thailand and myanamar Refugee hospitals funded by the US are closing cling their doors patients with tuberculosis and
00:56:58
life-threatening conditions are being carried away on makeshift stretchers in Africa the famine in Sudan is worse I
00:57:05
mean the Democratic Republic of Congo where us Aid supported 4 and a half million displaced people verge of er we
00:57:12
were on the verge of eradicating diseases like malaria malnutrition because of private and public
00:57:18
coordination in Cambodia where the US was close to eliminating malaria officials now fear the disease is making
00:57:25
yeah a comeback back it Scott it's not help Americans it's not help Americans that's the stupidest argument it does help Americans I think the majority of
00:57:36
Republicans yeah when if you sat them down and you said for 200 bucks a year this is the good we're going to do around the world and this is the Goodwill it's going to create and these are the diseases we're going to
00:57:47
eradicate and this is how we're going to find refugees who were displaced in Wars
00:57:53
a shot at surviving I think the majority of people go here's $200 right on yep these are I I I can't even it's the crest it's the
00:58:15
cruestv you this shiver little heart that we have at work here like that but let's put the morality aside so you
00:58:21
decide look I'm all I want that $200 to go to American Kids full stop okay I understand the argument I don't agreee with it but I understand it that 200 bucks that void we're leaving Russia and
00:58:33
China are going to step into that void they're going to find allly people willing to be allies that's right and
00:58:40
who will fund groups we have this sense of security this cold comfort that there
00:58:46
aren't people out there who would come for us kill us and take our [ __ ] away and one of the reasons they don't is
00:58:52
because they can't because generally speaking the vast majority of Nations and the vast majority of people around the world might find us obnoxious they
00:58:59
might find us gluttonous they might find us arrogant but they think at the end of the day we're trying to do the right
00:59:05
thing that we're the people who are funding that hospital that when there's refugees when there are homeless people and there are maternity WS being shelled in in Ukraine that American Charities
00:59:16
show up when I mean we're seen as the good guys and that pays enormous that pays enormous dividends that we don't we don't recognize because the Homeland
00:59:28
hasn't been attacked since September 11th so even if you think even if you don't make the moral argument or you
00:59:34
don't accept the moral argument just from a security standpoint GE political power standpoint this is the best 200
00:59:42
bucks Canadians are booing us people Canadians don't boo anybody let's just say Canadians they're boo did you see
00:59:48
the national an they started booing us they're booing us anyway all right I'll start with mine um my win obviously has
00:59:57
to go to Beyonce on her album of the Year Grammy win for you know what watching the Grammys was great they weren't the vibe they had was like [ __ ] you all of you we're going to be black we're going to be interesting we're
01:00:08
going to be talented we're going to be enjoyable I there was not a lot of the vibe was so good at the at the at the at
01:00:15
the Grammys I'm sorry they weren't they weren't doing a lot of the like virtue signaling at all in fact they were just
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like we're [ __ ] better we're cooler we're so cool we are so creative anyway Beyonce's at the top that I love Cowboy
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Carter I love that album there's a lot of albums I love this year Kendrick Lamar was I liked a lot but this one I
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really enjoyed and played it over and over again um she's been nominated four times in this category um this was her
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first uh album to win it and deserve it go listen to it it's really a wonderful album in lots of ways and really fun actually super fun and really moving and everything else so congratulations beyon
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I know it's been hard for you to make it in this business um I also really enjoyed watching Taylor Swift dance her
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ass off throughout no matter what she made kind of a little like an adorable spectacle of herself dancing with kids
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dancing in coats and also Janelle Monae did a Michael Jackson it's everybody and
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and um Lady Gaga did an amazing uh duet of California Dreaming with Bruno Mars really wonderful the whole Grammys was wonderful wonderful wonderful um my fail um besides this ridiculous antics of
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Elon Musk which continues into the [ __ ] Millennial make Elon go away as a really good um thing to happen he
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should go to Mars again I think he should realize his dream we should spend all that forign a money we're not spending on sending him to Mars
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immediately but um was an interview that Mitch McConnell did with uh Leslie stall
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on 60 Minutes which is uh under attack because the owners are trying to uh pay off Trump through settling a lawsuit as we talked about last week but this is a great interview with Mitch McConnell
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where she he goes you know she's like you wrote this and this and this about Trump being a terrible person he goes
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well that was a private conversation and then she goes well it's in your book and he's like yes it is like he's just this
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guy had every opportunity to stop Trump in a very significant way and did not do
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so and it mystifies me that he could act like he doesn't like him just he doesn't
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get the right not to he facilitated Trump um and to try to pretend he didn't is really he's a lome toad he really is
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of all the people cuz you can't hate someone and then be the reason they're still here and and gave him the lifeline
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that he did richly did not deserve so Mitch McConnell you also should go away you really should you've been a real um he did vote against Heth which is kind of he did finally yeah that's what I'm
01:02:42
saying I feel like that's I feel like that's Hannibal Lector deciding is a vegan on his deathbed I me it's just like doesn't do us a lot of good now
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exactly you're no John McCain my friend you're just no John McCain and I just act trying to be be like that right now I don't know what he's going for but I would like his tour to be over and I'd
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like him to go back to where to Kentucky and just get the [ __ ] out of here just leave it's all your fault Mr M Mr
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McConnell anyway um that is my fail but he's I have a quick question for sure yeah is Edward Snowden a traitor complex topic comp I did an interview with him
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many years ago and I think what he uncovered was astonishingly disturbing about the government spying on citizens um so in that way a good thing uh in a
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bad thing the way he did it I think I I there's all kinds of hair all over him in ways that are disturbing um I have
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talked to many National Security people who find him to be a Traer and they have very persuasive arguments I have a hard
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time uh deciding uh about that I I do I I even after doing the interview um and I hate to say that because I think that in many ways he is is and in uh in many ways he is I don't know what to say
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that's where I am I I don't know what else to say um anyway I think it's a complex topic let's just say and and and
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they did make reforms after he did it but at the same time the way he did it was traitorous too complex why did you
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ask that let me ask you why did you ask that uh because well I thought that was the most interesting moment of the but you now as well no longer in my opinion are qualified to run our national
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I think that's I think that's a layup of a question all right okay I I'm not suggesting I'm not suggesting what was found out might not ultimately be good
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for America but he's full stop 100% a traitor I'm usually with the National Security people on this thing and I
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think he did hurt our national security apparatus you lost my vote I'll vote you you Secretary of Defense I'm in for you
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anyway um I I just have a smidge of I don't love the government what they did so anyway uh we want to hear from you
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the show we call 85551 pivot elsewhere in the Karen Scott Universe I talked to Ben Stiller about Severance on on let's
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listen to a clip there's so many different ideas of what you know Severance could be a metaphor for and I
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think we all do separate to a certain extent when we you know check out if you have a drink or you know you take a
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gummy or you you know uh watch a TV show or if you go on your phone I mean we all find ways to cope
01:05:26
with the everyday sort of you know torrent of stuff that's coming at us in life right it's also I go to hardware
01:05:32
stores and browse um when I do I love them what do you do to sever Scott like we already know gummies breath work what uh I hang out with my dogs
01:05:44
sometimes I take a gummy I like to write I I just the evening is my is my alone kind of peace peace time you know I think it's important to have s
01:05:57
mindfulness and and just do your own thing and I also occasionally if I have both a gummy and um a couple makers in ginger I put in my airpods and I danced
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80s music without my without my shirt on and dance in the mirror like a 15 what I
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imagine like a a gay 15-year-old teenager would do I so want to see that I so want see that can you put a camera in your house so I can watch that and then I will sever watching that that
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would make me literally it would probably it would probably decrease the amount of sex people that people have
01:06:30
that night by like everyone would just be so freaked out and so unattracted to every video where I can watch it DJs and
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Tom Petty little bit of little bit of edible CBD and sativa with the makers and ginger Daddy's got the moves hello ladies all right do you believe in love and first side or should I walk by again
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