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okay we're here with Senator Bennett from Colorado who is Scott's favorite Senator apparently is he your favorite
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is he that's right so you need to start so full disclosure I was Allin on Senator Bennett's presidential campaign
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actually hosted a fundraiser not very well noticed event in the history of American not true huge influence well
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thank you for having me anyway and thank you for paying attention to that campaign my mom uh when I told her I was
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running said to me Michael do we really need a seventh candidate in this race yeah something she's never said to Cory
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or anybody else it was pretty rough W let's kick it off there so you you've you've run a presidential campaign what
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do you think is working about the Harris campaign if you identified one or two key things that seem to be resonating
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what's what are those things I think the most important thing is that the American people are so ready to turn the
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page on a a generation of American politicians frankly on both sides and she's been able to Capital I on that
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she's been able to capture that lightning in a bottle and um and that's so I'd say that one thing two it was an
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amazing moment to the for many reasons the moment that Joe Biden decided to Advocate the the the race something no
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politician would ever do but that day giving up power giving up power ultimate power and ultimate power and actually
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when his guys came over to the Democratic caucus to have a conversation about what should happen I said said
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among other things we're asking you to have a conversation with Joe Biden that nobody has ever had with the president
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we're asking Joe Biden to make a decision that no other president has ever made that in of itself was
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extraordinary but then to see on that day just this organic upwelling of support in the Democratic party for the
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vice president for a variety of reasons I think people thought you know we've taken long enough we don't have a lot of
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time we got to figure out who the right person is and just go with it um that's another thing I think she's done very
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very well is be there and and and and and taking on the the top of this T ticket with an elegance and with a Grace
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that has served her and the Democratic party extremely so you had had been somewhat outspoken you kind of hedged
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your your what you were saying you didn't Nancy Pelosi it you didn't full Nancy Pelosi it I got more credit for
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what I said from Scott that I did for you yes you did because you were you were you were being verying
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oh yeah you minced there there's a lot of mincing happening so talk about why you did it that way because you
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essentially encouraged him to leave and nany was more explicit where she's like we want him to make a decision and it
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essentially was just not that decision he's made well I think I I appreciate the position that she took look I was
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the first you got a lot of flack but yeah and I and I and I did say that I thought was the first CER to say that I
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thought we were going to lose in a landslide right and that we had a moral choice as Democrats and frankly As
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Americans to take seriously that that problem not not a contingency but the reality that we were at risk of losing
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the presidency the Senate and the house obviously it was up to Joe Biden to make
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the decision that he did it wasn't up to me to make that decision in any way any
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way for him or in my view to advise him about it but when I was asked what I had
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said privately in our Caucus meeting I on national TV I that's what I said and that's what I
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believed and now I think we have the chance to win the presidency win the Senate and win the house so when you
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think about how it happened the obviously Donald Trump's been thrown off by this by not just Joe Biden who he
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keeps talking about running and using words like coup and things like that that's funny yeah um but but also having
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a trouble getting her his I shouldn't say hands around her because he is a sexual harasser so getting um you know
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figuring out how to deal with her he she can't he doesn't seem to be able to Define her or respond to her in anything
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that's not offensive I mean he's made his whole political career for such as it is by threatening to drag us back
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deep into the past that he is a he is a reactionary force in American politics and I think he cannot confront uh the a
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politics that's oriented toward the future both in in who KLA Harris is but also in the policies that she's pursuing
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and now in one second he finds himself being the lone octogenarian in this race and that's not sitting very well for him
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I think uh among the he feels like the incumbent and even though she is the in does he definitely
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does what message do you think that over the next two nights if you were advising
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the Harris campaign what message do you think they need to get out to voters I think that um that we need to express
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the unity in the Democratic party and the excitement in the Democratic party that's on clear display I've been to a
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number of these events and it's rare to see this uh and so I think that's very exciting and I think it's really
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important for us to express that this is about America not about the Democratic party that we want people to be involved
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in this unifying vision for what the future looks like that we can put this politics of Division behind us and that
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we can put a freaking stake in it and put it behind us and then we can move off into the future not because we have
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a monopoly on wisdom but because you know we are we are convinced that we can build a better future for our kids and
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for our grandkids I think if she's focused on the future oriented to toward the future um that's what the American
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people desperately want to see out of this desper want more details because it's such a short which we think is a
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good thing the short campaign is not I don't think she they want more details I think they want to understand her values
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I think they want to understand values versus polic values versus policy absolutely and you're right this is a
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blessing for America I mean it we we have 2-year presidential and Senate campaigns
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that serve no purpose at all there are countries around the world where they get their elections done in 45 or 60
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days I think we're going to see the virtue of that in this election Scot so let's talk a little bit just about
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foreign policy because that we have so far it's been pretty so far the messaging has been really strong and
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aspirational but it's been a bit short on details what are your views on what do you think the campaign there's been
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some question about um uh vice president Harris's support or lack thereof of Israel what do you think the complexion
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should be around the Middle East uh for the Harris walls campaign I think in terms of the Middle East the complexion
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should be around you know how do we get to a day after where there's a chance for a two-state solution how do we get
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focused on that and get past the the the the horrendous period of America of of of world history hist that we're in
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today so that's where I think she needs to be there I'd say more broadly on foreign policy you know the the Biden
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Biden deserves huge credit I think for building the Coalition around Ukraine you know you and I have talked about
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this before Ukraine is not a fight for Ukraine it's a fight for democracy it's the purest expression of that fight
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that's happening in the world today Joe Biden showed up for that fight and mobilized allies in Europe and
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throughout uh Asia to continue in that fight he strengthened y NATO as result and she's
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going to pick up right where he left off whereas Donald Trump what's he going to
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do like go to the Kremlin on his hands and knees and say to Vladimir Putin you can have what you want uh in Ukraine and
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to say to leader in North Korea you can have what you want there I mean it is ridiculous and TR and Trump's positions
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are so absurd they are completely outside the mainstream of what used to be before the repan party became a
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culted personality what used to be Republican may not have any real values right in that regard in that regard and
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I think the minute he leaves the stage we're going to discover that um that we might actually have a coherent foreign
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policy As Americans that's not partisan anymore like the one we've got today that said he could still win it's very
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definitely caught up you know I talked to David axod this morning and he was one of the first to call for Joe Biden
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and I know Joe Biden him a prick but he did it and also was among those people who thought we needed to move faster um
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and he said look we can't and the the head of the future forward thing said this is not as the polls aren't as good
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as you think they are there's a honeymoon period here that keeps going actually this is going to shoot that up
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more because it's going to be you know an exciting convention but are what are you worri most worried about I'm most
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worried that we could lose and we can't take anything for granted we can't take anything for granted we have learned
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with the election of Donald Trump that our democracy is much more vulnerable than we thought I'm not one of these
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people who walks around all day long saying Donald Trump's a threat to our democracy he a threat to our democracy I
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think he is but I think he's a symptom of our problems you and I have talked about this before the problem we are
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facing and the real threat to our democracy is our lack of economic Mobility the massive income and wealth
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inequality that we have in this country the fact that we've got a K12 education system that the quality of which is
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defined en highly by the the income of the parents of students that is a freaking threat to our democracy and we
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have to find ways of addressing that you know so our winning is not in any way assured here so I think what we have to
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do is get out over the next 70 days and make sure we do win and how then to win if that's the case now it's a good
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chance a little better than 5050 which by the way is extraordinary given where we were six weeks ago and what we've got
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to do is just do the work in the swing states that um of of getting out our base in those states which is going to
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be energized by what she's doing and who she is and uh and getting a few of the unpersuaded people uh to come over on
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our side and I don't think this country wants to go back to Donald Trump when you look at the poll the latest polling
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in this race you know there's a lot of reason to see that it's close I think that it's nuts that there are people
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that want to give him the benefit of that out on economics cuz he's just a big trickle down economics guy but
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that's a debate we have to have between now and the election I think it's going to be very hard for him to overcome his
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unfavorables but we're going to have to show up and do the work and people are excited energized my daughter's been
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knocking on doors and she I could not get her to do a single thing for my reelection campaign you know in 2020
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it's called teenager you know what it's called exactly teenager high school Co you know she she said to me you used you
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used you know you exploited me when I was a little kid because you made those tv ads that to show that I you were a
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good family guy and I'm on strike for that reason she's been knocking on doors in Michigan um even before even before
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the switch in the race because she knows what's at stake and I think the American
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people now I think they believe that we have a chance to put Donald Trump in the
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rearview mirror forever as long as we do the work so that's what we have to do Scott last question so is
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my official softball question so Colorado has the economic mind of tiand with one 12th of population it feels
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fairly reasonable like the people work together not a lot of it feels like you and the governor and the junior Senator
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get along like what can the nation learn from Colorado and Colorado politics when
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you think about what Donald Trump represents in terms of the corruption of our democracy you think about all the
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place in the world that you guys know much better than I where corruption is the norm and where Trump is saying you
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know you're a basically a sucker if you don't believe that our private sector and our public sector are hopelessly
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corrupt I say come to Colorado a place where you know we believe in our democracy the rule of law and the the
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fact that we can drive economic innovation in ways that the rest of the world isn't doing I mean you know in the
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end given it even with all the income inequality that I talked about and all the one of our biggest assets is the
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capitalist system that we have we just have to have it work right for the American people it can't just Heap all
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its benefits to people at the very top we have to harvest the benefits of innovation all that stuff that's what
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we're trying to do one quick final question speaking of at the top a lot of tech Bros we've talked you and I had
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been at your office talking about this how some of them of course are on the blue team a lot of them right how do you
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feel about this rightward shift with some of them obviously I'm not surprised at all look there's some people over
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there who think they should succeed secede suede from the United States of America that that the valley is so smart
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that somehow you know they they can't be imposed upon in any way and they should
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just have their own fantasy land or not surprised at all by that what I believe and this is CH you know I think changed
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since you and I talked about this in my office we have a mental health epidemic in America as a result of the algorithms
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these guys have Unleashed on the American people and we need to have uh voices in Washington that are willing to
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stand up to them and have a negotiation behalf the American people no one has had a negotiation with Mark Zuckerberg
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on our economics or on our privacy or on our data and he is basically strip mining uh our kids bedrooms and that's
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what's that that's got to come to in well elon's being the villain now so that's why Mark's getting out of getting
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out well it's not just Mark and not just Elon there are other people that are hiding behind them and I think we've got
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to take this on I mean I have argued for a long time in fact since you and I were
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in the office together that we need a new agency in Washington just like Teddy Roosevelt had when he was dealing with
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the oil and gas trust we need one that's dealing with these guys well Scott and I
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will run it for you if that's okay you're HED you are go out into a large Scandal large ugly Scandal anyway thank
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you so I doubt oh do not doubt that come to color we will I all right thank you thanks thank you thanks thanks thank you