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you have a lot of viral moments, but I have to say the Jillian Michaels thing um really took off. I'm going to play
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the the exchange um that she had and how you dealt with her. And I want to talk a
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little bit about how you handle this. You cannot tie imperialism and racism and slavery to just one race, which is
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pretty much what every single exhibit does. Well, let's talk about the fact that when you anti
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slavery in America was only less than 2% of white Americans own slaves. Julian, I'm surprised that you're trying
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to litigate um who was the beneficiary of slavery and that was nuts what she was saying.
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It was wild. I look everybody was shocked. It it was unexpected to be frank because we were not really in a
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discussion about that at the table when she just brings it up. And then when it became clear that that she was trying to
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sort of downplay slavery, I was just like shocked. Like, are you really going to do this on national television? Look,
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I don't like to talk about negatively about guests who come on the show because I just don't think that's good
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form. Um, even when I disagree with people, I respect their right to uh embarrass themselves on national
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television. I think it it it is their right to do that. But I and I don't want to um I don't want to disparage people
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even when they disparage me. But I'll just state as a factual matter what I told her, which is that um it is
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nonsensical to suggest that slavery in the United States was something was about something other than race.
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I sometimes I want to send you a bottle of tequila. You're going to like I'm like cuz your face I can see the
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exasperated look on. I couldn't do it. I would sometimes I need it. Are there times
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when I'm like that was absolutely ridiculous. Totally. But somebody's got to do it.
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Somebody's got to do it.