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Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway's 2025 Predictions on AI, IPOs, Podcasts, and Trump | Pivot

January 03, 2025 / 10:08

This episode covers predictions about Donald Trump's presidency, the rise of AI companies, the growth of podcasting, and the future of nuclear technology and masculinity.

Scott Galloway discusses the potential impact of Donald Trump's age on his presidency, suggesting he may become calmer. He emphasizes that Trump's legacy as a lame duck president will influence his behavior.

Galloway also predicts significant advancements in AI, highlighting companies like IBM and Salesforce that will benefit from increased spending in the sector. He compares this to the early internet, noting that those who support AI infrastructure will thrive.

The conversation shifts to the booming podcast industry, with Galloway noting that political candidates are increasingly seeking podcast appearances to reach voters. He anticipates substantial growth in podcast revenue by 2025.

Finally, Galloway identifies nuclear technology as the technology of the year and discusses the societal focus on masculinity and young men's struggles, suggesting these themes will shape future discussions and elections.

TLDR

Scott Galloway predicts Trump's presidency will shift, AI will thrive, podcasts will grow, and masculinity issues will dominate future discussions.

Episode

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okay Scott now it's time for our predictions I'm going to do mine first I think um Donald Trump's age is might
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become an issue in the next two years I think the presidency is an incredibly difficult thing I do think it might be
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calmer and it's largely not because he's become wiser because he's not he's not wise and anyway he's not a good person
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he's a Serial sexual harasser at the very least and a and other things I think he's a terrible person I think his
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age is going to calm him down I don't know how else to put it either through uh natural what happens when you get older
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and the and the difficulties of this so you may see a calmer Donald Trump I just
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I you may see it and it's not because he's a good person or he's turning the tide or anything else he also is
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probably looking at his legacy now and he's a lame duck president no matter how you slice it he's a lame duck president
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and again people around him are aware of it I've heard it from so many people in
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his party we only need him for a couple more years they've said it uh and then we'll make them into an icon we'll do
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some statues all good and so I think it's going to may be a little surprising and it's not again not cuz he's a good
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person um as to uh my other prediction I do think there's going to be a lot more
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advantage to companies in AI that you aren't thinking of like IBM Salesforce a lot of the others that are going to ride
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on the rails of the enormous spending that uh whether it's $30 billion from from meta whether it's um uh 50 to 50 to
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80 billion from Microsoft or all of them are spending I think those who ride the
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rails on these things are going to be the beneficiaries that put them into place whether you're sales force helping
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Disney with its lines that's one of their clients or um IBM or things like that so I would look to those companies
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in a lot of ways who are going to be the real beneficiaries it reminds me of the
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early internet it was not the companies that put up the websites like netf ncape
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excuse me it was the companies that rode the rails and these rails are being put
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in place not by our government but by companies and they're getting paid for whether it's energy costs everything
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else so I would look to those companies in 2025 I think the AI Revolution is just getting started and it will start
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to really it reminds me of early early internet and who who began and who succeeded were two very different
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parties on to you Scott Galloway I like those uh so okay so briefly 2025 will be
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the year of a new doop it'll be open video open Ai and Nvidia right now control arguably 90% of all traffic and
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AI 90% of the queries 90% of the queries of the processors that are powering those answers to those queries are those
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two firms and so it'll be kind of the new winel and people will start referring it to it as the most powerful
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duopoly in the world we're we haven't seen I think we're going to see a bunch of raft of new unicorns in the
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application layer of AI we have the infrastructure layer we have the llms themselves but every every Innovation or
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new techn techology creates a bunch of interesting consumer applications I think you're going to see a raft of new
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unicorns in healthcare where you upload your medical records your diet and it starts playing offense and come back
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comes back to you with exact I told you for the first time I H was diagnosed with high blood pressure two and a half
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months ago I went into AI I uploaded my urine my blood work my fecal work uh I talked very openly about my diet and it
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came back with a series of recommendations and I took them to heart and I no longer have high blood pressure
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and I think that's going to be systemized routinized and create a bunch of interesting applications around
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Fitness healthc care especially I think around travel there's a huge opportunity
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look at all I upload all my credit card bills all my past travel my calendar and
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it starts proactively saying Scott we see that you're going to be in La for this meeting we're going to book you
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here you should do this you should go see your dad you should do this I've already organiz what you upload to open
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AI well so for example I I took my MRIs on my shoulders and I uploaded it to open Ai and I said please diagnose this
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and tell me what I should be doing what stretching I should be doing and it comes back with a whole list of things I
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mean you can you can upload a board de I'll give you an example Cara yeah we you know we're out in the marketplace
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potentially thinking about our next four years I uploaded our deck that we put together on summarizing our business and
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I said I basically said what is the likely deal we will get and what should we be thinking about I mean this is
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so powerful and instead of having smart people prompt people are going to build a thin layer of innovation call someone
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in that case and it's like calling calling your smart friend yeah interesting wow or but it'll be
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proactive it'll say okay here's the new tra you know AI enabled travel and Expedia is going very hard at this and I
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just say it just starts sending me text alerts saying oh we see you have this coming up this is this is your travel
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itinerary and what we're thinking here are the decisions I need from you you know you just said exped I think they're
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a ride the rails company too they're going to benefit anyway they don't have to pay for ride the rails go ahead yeah
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I think so uh so anyway software basically SAS goes from um software as a service to Service as a software that's
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what I kind of see my prediction for AI podcast this is going to be the the breakout year of podcast because this
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election just illuminated uh what is going to be an enormous transfer of capital from the
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political spending machine and that is they used to spend a ton of money on local broadcast TV stations because
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those were voters I old people were and what they realize is where you go for voters is podcasts and if you can go on
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one podcast and get the equivalent listenership of going on CNN MSNBC or Fox every night during prime time for
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three hours for a week by going on one podcast you're just going to see in the amount of capital it's drawing the means
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of production are less expensive so creators make more money which is drawing in more human capital 47% of
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people have listened to a podcast in the last 30 days versus less than 10% uh 15
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years ago I mean the medium is just the medium is going to boom and car I don't know I'm sure you're getting the same
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calls I have all of these political candidates reaching out to me asking me for their for my views on things which
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means I am running for something and I want to come on your podcast I have had four US senators write me both republ
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recently text me this week it was crazy yeah can I come on podcast and I say to them the governors several Governors I
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say to them you're you're ambitious running for something that's fine for me uh yeah 100% but don't don't pretend you
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want to talk to me about policy right yeah um anyways this and podcast Revenue in 2025
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is going to grow faster granted off a small base than meta or alphabet or Amazon it's going to be up 20 plus perc
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the cpms it it's a better consumer it's a 34-year-old versus a 7-year-old it's much more impactful because we do host
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read overs people go to cable news to sanctify their beliefs people go to people go to podcast to learn and also
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there's a Vibe about podcasts where we try and present people in their best light and it's quite frankly it's just a
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little bit more pleasant it's not as antagonistic so IPO of the year I think it's going to be and it's going to be
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interesting one because it's probably going to have the London exchange uh Shen these models and disclosure I'm an
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investor but if you look at Airbnb versus Marriott it needs a third of the employees with the same Revenue if you
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look at Zara they doing about 400,000 per employees versus Shen said 2 million per employee if you look at Uber versus
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the car manufacturers these asset light um all IP intensive versus capex intensive companies Shen doesn't own a
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single truck Factory warehouse store it's all software driven and this year it's bigger than um Amazon retail in
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apparel and next year it's going to pass Walmart to be the best Appel retailer in
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the world and it's going public on the London exchange I think for a lot of reasons going to quote unquote be the
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IPO of the year uh I think the technology of the year is nuclear you just saw Facebook basically put out an
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RFP saying build us a nuclear power plant the friction in AI is energy requires 10 times the energy and people
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have realized that it's one of the safest most productive most reliable sources of energy it's just been
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terribly branded the last 20 or 30 years but some of the biggest brains have turned their massive Capital fire hoses
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on nuclear 2025 is going to be the year of nuclear that'll be the technology of the year
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and the substance of the year is testosterone and that is this election was supposed to be a referendum on
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women's rights it wasn't it was a referendum on how poorly young people are doing specifically young males and I
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think we're having a more honest and open conversation around the attributes around masculinity and the struggles of
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young men I think that's come to the four and um Trump going flying into the manosphere was a direct um one of the
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you know one of the fundamental reasons he was able to win the election I think if you look at the
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if you look at the election who swung most violently away from Blue to Red it was people under the age of 30 and women
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45 to 64 who I speculate are their mothers uh I think I think mothers and young people uh are really hit hard by
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young people not doing as well and they just don't have the luxury of thinking about some of the other social issues
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when their kids aren't doing well yeah so once again the penis once again well I what I would argue is I think people
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are coming to the conclusion that women will not continue to flourish nor will the country flourish and on a much more
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boring level I think the biggest lbos of in history are going to happen in 2025 there's so much capital on the sidelines
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and my favorite two Targets are Target and Intel anything else that's all I got car I think it's going to be a great
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year for us I think it's going to be a nice year um is there going to be vacation for us together or some no you
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don't want a vacation with me I don't you got five kids you got like a 100 kids I don't want babies I have a
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hundred kids I have a hundred of them yeah you know some of elon's kids are now my kids cuz they don't like them no
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I'm kidding

Episode Highlights

  • The Rise of Nuclear Energy
    2025 is predicted to be the breakout year for nuclear energy, driven by major investments.
    “2025 is going to be the year of nuclear.”
    @ 08m 27s
    January 03, 2025
  • Young Men's Struggles
    The election highlighted the challenges faced by young men, shifting political dynamics.
    “This election was a referendum on how poorly young people are doing.”
    @ 08m 34s
    January 03, 2025

Episode Quotes

  • He's a serial sexual harasser at the very least.
    Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway's 2025 Predictions on AI, IPOs, Podcasts, and Trump | Pivot
  • 2025 is going to be the year of nuclear.
    Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway's 2025 Predictions on AI, IPOs, Podcasts, and Trump | Pivot
  • This election was a referendum on how poorly young people are doing.
    Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway's 2025 Predictions on AI, IPOs, Podcasts, and Trump | Pivot

Key Moments

  • Trump's Character00:18
  • Nuclear Energy Prediction08:27
  • Youth Struggles08:34

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