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no I wait for the day where you're going to say something to me that I'm going to have to break up with [Music]
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you hi everyone this is Pivot from New York Magazine and the VOX media podcast Network I'm Cara swisser and it's
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inauguration weekend I'm so excited I'm leaving town folks I just I just want to warn you the inauguration um
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uh ton of pornography a lot of drinking Peroni Xanax 80s music aerial firefighters just hang with me I'm someone asked me they're like they worried about me because I got so
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triggered at the election they said are you all right about the inauguration I'm like well am I all right yeah I feel
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like Vin RS after he was ass raped in Pulp Fiction I'm pretty [ __ ] far from all right and I just the Democrats in an attempt to be somewhat civil and you
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know uh like they're back at their prin review no we're not going to be civil I'm not going to be elegant or
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graceful about this I refuse to nor I refuse to normalize this [ __ ] yes I agree with you Scott I'm on board someone told me you know you have to get along I'm like do I I don't do that in
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my regular life I'm not I feel like I'm going to just stick to my consistent state of being irritating no I I'm going
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to be more partisan more pornographic so for those of you who don't know and this is a part of the program where we pet ourselves on the back Karen I's uh
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relationship or deal ends with Vox soon and we're hoping to renew we love Vox but we're out there talking to people and literally every Media company in the world wants Caris swisser and is put
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willing to put up with Scott Gallow sort of the Tariff if you will getting car fish like that and as a means of weeding
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out I'm going to just become so [ __ ] pornographic and vulgar and we're going to see who really want this true who
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really really wants I do not mind pornography I'm you know where I'm going by by the way away for the weekend Miami
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your favorite place oh I can tell you where to go stay at the fena go have dinner at Sparrow Italia you're staying
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at the Lowe's I'm not going to explain I'm not staying I have children with me I I have children I have the children f
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is not a children Hotel Lowe's is a guy looking to meet a pro at the bar who's on who's with a
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naal cotton growers association W for that literally if if you wanted to find the one hotel that feels like you're at
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the days in Detroit or a corporate Hotel you found it in South Beach Stay Stay where if you're looking for kids I'm
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serious about this I need I need to do an intervention stay at the addition i' stay at a little bit more family friendly Edition yeah you know they have
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that bean back throwing thing and the there's enough kids there that the adults can't get too angry find is a
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little they're too adult that's I agree I I got all right will do that in any case I'm excited to go there because the
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weather's going to be beautiful um and down here in New York in Washington it's going to be like in the teens or lower yeah there's a polarx tax and it's
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called Donald Trump um yeah so they're going to show up here there's all these part you know what you know what they're they're having a party Uber and X are
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having a party along uh with some other people but uh that and I wrote Dar koser Shah like are you are you in a
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competition to be the least deplorable uh he laughed he's like you should come I'm like I would rather poke my out with
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a dry stick I got I got invited to a party an AI party at the inauguration where they said that uh musk and sax will be there and I thought some intern
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[ __ ] up the guest list how did I get on this side I know how did you they kind of like you they're going to try to draw you away from me that's what they
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try to do well they you know what they see they see they see I'm like I'm like a Jehovah you know they knock on the
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door and I'm Jehovah's Witness and they like see like he seemed like a really unhappy and vulnerable I think we should
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stop by tomorrow I think all these guys think there's a chance they think that I haven't taken the red pill yet but they
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think it's in my medicine they do I do I do a little bit I honestly do I'm waiting for the day you're a little
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worried wait for the day where you're going to say something to me that I'm going to have to break up with you I I really don't want that to happen but
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then you come back and you say thing I'm going to be pornographic I'm not going to be I'm going to be partisan and then I love you again um anyway um so anyway
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we're we're both not going to be here for the inauguration but good you know it's my favorite part so they have lot of the ex presidents are coming but
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Michelle Obama is like peace the [ __ ] out she like she's not coming and she's not explaining why that's my two favorite Parts good for she's not I love that she's not explaining why she's like
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I'm not coming that's all that's because it sounds like the shittiest party that you don't want to have that you don't
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want to go to I don't know none of the presidents are going to the lunch Clinton Obama and Bush are not going to
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the afterward lunch that they're supposed to go to they all pieced out of that they're going to the show but then
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uh but then uh they're uh they're not they're not going to launch I think there is I'm going to try
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and bring this back to a life lesson one of my mentors this guy named Barry Rosenstein from Jan partner said one of
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the really nice things about having Economic Security said life is three buckets professionally or just three
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buckets there's things you want to do right you want to hang out with your kids you want to go to see Cole Palmer play for Chelsea whatever it is there's
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things you want to do there's things you have to do right if bankov the CEO Vox is in town and says I really want to
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meet with you guys we kind of have to do that right that's more want and have to he's not like saying but okay yeah go
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ahead yeah but if okay what I don't know I don't know if if there's just things your your mother-in-law is not doing well and you need to go visit her you have to do that right um anyways and
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then there's things you should do and building your career is about things you should do you should go to this event
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cuz who knows you might get a client you should go to the bot Mitzvah of your co-worker daughter what whatever it
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might be he said the thing about Economic Security is you can eliminate should he said now I just do things I
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have to do or I want to do and it was really kind of an unlock for me and the thing that's so disappointing about
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these guys and what is obviously a kleptocracy where one of them I just don't think any of these people want to
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go none of them have to they're all worth a 100 on that but go ahead keep going they've
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they've they've forgotten what is the point of supposedly being economically secure in a Democratic Society that
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supposedly has some rule of law where the doj won't be weaponized against you or the FDC and that is none of these people want to be there I just don't I don't think any of them want to sit out
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in 15 degree heat and watch yeah and watch and watch basically all of them you know slowly bend the knee sitting next to each other this remember
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when I wrote that piece calling them sheeple in 2016 where I where they all went up to Trump I don't that must be
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the one I wrote a piece that was broke is they were all going to Trump Tower and they did the sheeple dance and
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they're doing it even worse this time so Elon Musk Mark Zuckerberg and Jeff Bezos and let me say they don't like each
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other uh they'll pretend to but I don't care what they tell you they do not or have to sit next to each other on
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display I don't know if which is what Trump is doing he's putting them like like they're China dolls on his on his
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shelf Tim Cook is going Tik Tock CEO shiau is going uh Sundar Pai is going interestingly sain Nadella is not going though he did meet with him and then Elon had to do a drop in um he is not
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going which which to me is interesting I think Sam Alman is going um Mark Zuckerberg is co-hosting a a a reception
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with billionaire Republican donors on Monday evening including Miriam adelen um so I just this is they're like being moved around like like dolls or
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something like that it's really I I find it I don't know why you would be that rich and be pushed around like that I
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just I'm rich enough not to I mean I have enough money where I'm like that's enely right right that's entirely right
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and to from a shareholders perspective these guys can't break out of the cycle of shareholder value and to a certain
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extent the reason they're CEOs is they're sponsor they're supposed to be fuers or shareholder value and the greatest I got to admit it the greatest
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return on investment for a three trillion dollar company right now or open AI is to give the Inaugural
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Committee a million dollars and say he's handsome and show up at his event and be polite you're showing up at your boss's
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daughter's wedding and putting money in an envelope I like the way you described it like a mob wedding and I hate to say
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it from a shareholder standpoint it's a smart thing to do and this is the problem with a kleptocracy or an
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autocracy and that is the incentives to the campaign where if I shitpost Democrats and vice president Harris I
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know that if she wins she's not going to come after me I don't know that with this guy so it creates incentive opinion
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um rhetoric uh false compliments that are you know essentially kind of feel very much kind of Russia likee oh I love Mr Putin he's so handsome and he's so great and I just find I have talked to
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several of them off the Record who are going and they really don't want to go let me just say I mean I I suspect
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Zuckerberg musk and Bezos do okay that they're going to be the the three that are going to sit together like in the
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thing and I suspect Tim will kind of be along the edges putting his eyes down quite a bit same thing with Sundar and
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Sam that would be my guess and the rest of them and it's interesting not I haven't heard a ton of like um like
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bober B is busy dealing with the fires and because he's got a lot of employees who are homeless right now because they
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have most of their operations in that area um but I haven't heard a lot of high-profile other CEOs I don't know if
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Jamie Diamond's going or cuz he was you know oh Cara they're the only C the people the only people in matter are
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going I mean these people control media they have companies oh you know what's interesting I don't know is Jensen Hong going I know I I'll find out I'll find out thatd be I would be really interested to know knowing him I don't
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think he care compared I mean he's more in the satun probably worried he going to be deported because he didn't wasn't
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born here I I think he was born in Taiwan I'm not sure in any case I think he one Taiwan he went to I believe he
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went to Oregon State and then to Stanford well let me let's see Sundar was born in India sit him next to
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Bannon to is he going to be there cuz he's been going I mean I what I would do if I were Trump just to must I'd make
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them sit next to each other and i' make like like you know like you're on like you're on one like the prince of dor in
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the mountain right you must kiss now you must you must dance together one one jig
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I would see that's what I nobody knows how to be rich and evil as much as other as I would be this is what literally waiting for the inauguration speaking kiss speak speaking of being rich and
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evil waiting for the inauguration right now it feels like James Bond and Goldfinger waiting for the laser to cut
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your dick off you know coming up to thing by the way that was a joke from I think that was Jimmy Kimmel was that
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Jimmy Kimmel no Steven coar meanwhile at the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue President Joe Biden delivered a stark
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warning in his farewell speech on Wednesday about the dangers of tech Titans with unchecked power uh shall we
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listen today an oligarchy is taking shape in America of extreme wealth power and
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influence that literally threatens our entire democracy our basic rights and freedoms and a fair shot for everyone to get ahead we see the consequences all across
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America and we've seen it before so Biden mentioned the tech industrial complex you're welcome Biden I say that
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all the time taking a page from Dwight Eisenhower's military industrial complex he also said quote the truth is
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smothered by lies told for power and for profit I you know they of course made fun of him that he's whining I kind of
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liked it I like that Joe's going down fighting I like that I like the whole thing what what did you think this was
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Eisenhower warning warning about the military-industrial complex and it was a very precient
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speech yeah this was a guy who you know was not afraid of of war was a big supporter of the military and he saw the emergence of uh or the conflation of
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private interest and National interest to create a permanent military-industrial complex and there's
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no doubt about it Biden speech writers looked at this speech and I loved this speech I think this is and unfortunately
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no one gives a [ __ ] because musk's going to show up at a fire station and dominate the media or they're going to
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talk about V ramas Swani taking the JD vent senate seat I mean they I got to give it to him between between X and uh
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social media they have basically just squeezed Eed out I mean is is is Biden still president you wouldn't know this was an important speech it's talk I I in
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some ways I think it's his most precient speech it's a warning and about the aggregation and the concentration of power around an industry um and no one you know what I was thinking about this the other day
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the same thing with the no they do give a [ __ ] here's why I was thinking about the Jack Smith thing getting released the the um the files and some of this
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other stuff and everyone's like well it's over I'm like you know what his historically it's not this we have to think long term eventually this will
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have importance I don't know what happened when Eisenhower gave this speech we don't we weren't there and obviously we don't know but I feel like
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I it's important for history to have this on the record it's important for this report not to be suppressed it's
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important for Biden to say those things and I do you have to sort of get a a bigger more historical thing and how
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it's going to go down and so I I thought it was a very it was well done it was well written and it was it what do what
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do you think Biden's Legacy will I think it'll be tarnished by the fact that he he ran again when he said he wasn't
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going to um I think that's hard in 10 years I think you know he's leaving behind a really strong economy he's done
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a lot of great things I think probably good I think eventually good except depends on what Trump does right if
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Trump creates you know a te you know a a dystopian future it'll be bad if he doesn't um uh maybe better I guess I think in the long run better if if
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everything if we move along from trumpism um just depends I don't know but his getting it down for history is
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critically important even if it doesn't matter that's my feeling I mean remember that um at long last have you no shame
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at the time I I think that was smothered out and now it is when it was during the Army McCarthy hearings to Joe McCarthy
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that wasn't when he went down by the way it was much later and so um I just feel
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like it's to say it is important important um often people say that sometimes when I say things they're like
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why are you doing it and I said I'm not doing it for today like I'm not you it must be said I think and I think Biden
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deserves much credit um speaking of things that I talk too much about over 400 employees at the Washington Post
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sent a letter to Jeff this is interesting 400 employees the letter expresses concern about the future of
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the paper including quote recent leadership decisions that have led readers to question the Integrity institution makes a point to note that
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the concerns are unrelated to bezos's decision to end endorsements of presidential candidat um just I'm just
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pointing it out you don't have to say anything I think 400 employees doing that is interesting I didn't make them
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so maybe they could if they really get serious maybe they could do a lunch walk out F somebody okay all right I I
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haven't run big companies I've run medium-sized companies don't send me [ __ ] letters just quit just just just
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go to work for the New York Times all the all the peacocking impostering and complaining and whining
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you know what I said to my ex-wife yeah I understand let's get divorced I mean that was harsh lovely woman lovely
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woman anyways I'm kind of I'm kind of done with uh employees uh bitching and moaning and it's a free labor market you're very the people the the reporters of the post are some of the most
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talented journalists in the world okay Jeff Bezos isn't going to you want to talk about things he should do and he won't you you really think this is going to move the needle I get it you really
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think can I'm going to interject here because I when I worked there bitching and moaning during a very early me too
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thing made a difference initially they ignored the reporters and they pushed it and pushed it internally and it worked
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it does it can work at certain at certain times maybe I think that's the mother of all false anies why it can it can work to speak up because sexual harassment and suppressing the rights of
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women and that's new cartoons that's that's a warning that yeah one time the post cut cartoons they took out cartoons and it
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so angered the the readers that they put pictures around the post that worked they put it back I'm just saying it's
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okay to speak up what oh you didn't we didn't talk let's bring this back to me you want to buy newspapers you see what
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I bought you buy I bought a I bought a football team in Columbia what are you part of that group tell explain for the
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people are you Ryan adjacent yeah not even not even uh I'm like at the very bottom of the article and I say also enjoy Also joining the investor group his podcaster and author
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yeah I my midlife meet crisis Cara the I don't have any interest it's the second
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largest team in botad and second largest it's it's the second largest team in bota buot I gotta say that correctly and really this really smart kid who
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scans the world for teams and Investments approached me and said we're putting together an investor group and I really like this kid named Rob M Melaney
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he's Ryan's partner and rexim and he does this fantastic show called it's oon in Philadelphia and the two of them a
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friend of mine from Apollo Eva Longoria we've anyways we bought this team so do they know who you are do you get to hang
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with them do we get any perks for this situation well I it's cos me a lot of money I hope they know who are are you
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just oh get who is that the the people you just spoke of Ryan Ava oh the investor group no Rob does I think Rob got me into the deal and also the the guys who do the deal the get how I gotou
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what what like of all the people in the world because I fear death to get you you scan the world and you go ah Pro Galloway cuz well no no I I don't know
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you I don't know if you listen to this or other podcast I'm super into I'm super into football and I wanted to buy
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the glasow Rangers but I I couldn't figure that out and so this I'm excited going flying the jet oh we're going there a lot are you can I come with you well that's kind of glamorous
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congratulations team owner from now on I want you to call me team owner all right I'm going to get a fourth fifth wife
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start making ridiculously uh uh like stupid bigoted racist statements and have the league freak out okay I love that you're like the the other guy the the other guy in the Investment Group I
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like that at the bottom of the press release I like that congratul it's hilarious if you read if you do read the articles read any of them I'm literally
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the last sense I said also joining the investor you're like crawl you're at the H at the Bottom Rung hanging on and Ryan
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Reynold ass is way up there along with Le Laria I'm sopia Copa at the Academy Awards I'm like I'm here she's made some very excellent movies anyway she's very I'm congratulations Scott I think that's
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great I think that's great um I'm not going to be buying a team uh in any case anyway we've got a lot to get to today
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including last minute plans to save Tik Tok big deal and the heated confirmation hearings for trunks cabinet nominees
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okay so then let's get to our first big story as we tape Thursday morning we're still waiting for the Supreme Court to decide on The Tick Tock ban Tick Tock Supreme Court I mean it's January 19th
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is when it runs out which is Sunday but a lot of Tik Tock news is happening since our last episode first up is usual
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I was right Chinese officials have reportedly internally discussed an option of selling Tik Tok to Elon Musk though Tik Tok has called the reports
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pure fiction as if they'd know of course they would like Elon to have it he's he's adjacent he's got a lot of business
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interests there um so uh so there's that um Tik Tock also has a lot of advocates
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in its Corner president-elect Donald Trump is considering executive order to save Tik Tok from the office uh Tik Tok
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once he's in office although someone likened it to a press release with better um with better stationary because
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it doesn't have the force of law um because 5 years from now if Trump's not there a Democratic president or someone
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else could hold Apple and Google liel just so you know so I think they're going to follow the law and not Donald
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Trump even if he doesn't enforce it Senators Ed Marky Ron weiden and Corey Booker along with rep representative
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Rana our friend Rana have announced legislation to extend the Tik Tock ban deadline it already has a 90day thing
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that the president can put in place if there's if there's efforts underway but there are not efforts underway so and
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President Biden's Administration is considering who would push this thing is considering ways to keep Tik Tok
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available in the US if the ban goes into effect Tik Tok has said it might close down Sunday um there's a number of
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things that could happen but I suspect if the Supreme Court says it's legal Apple will Apple and Google will shut it
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down um or they'll shut themselves down um talk a little about the back uh uh tracking and what I don't know what this the delay is interesting to me maybe there's a little bit of or maybe they
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all want to write their own this because this is such a big and it is a big and important decision um tell me what you
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think here because I the the the delay is interesting and I only think they all want to write that's would be my guess
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and they need some time to do that yeah I think it has GE political overlay and that is China and the US are the two
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biggest economies I wouldn't call us enemies but we're adversaries and I think it's just um dumb from a game
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theory standpoint I mean essentially What's Happening Here is the Biden Administration kind of got
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tough uh proposed this legislation it passed it's law it is law of the land as you law of the land and all this [ __ ] with Democratic senators trying
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to scramble to write new laws to extend the ban hoping that will China will back down well guess what we're blinking
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they're not and so to not actually ban this thing regardless of the Fallout I believe weakens our ability and gives she's and gives she the ability to think you know what when when [ __ ] gets real
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we're we don't blink they do we're blinking right now and I think that has geopolitical ramifications across any negotiation whether it's China or trade and that is they've said they've
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essentially said we're calling your bluff and we've said oh okay maybe we can figure out a way to extend the extend the deadline so maybe you'll blink they're not going to or it doesn't
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appear they're going to the other observation I would make is that and I really hope this doesn't happen around
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Elon is whenever Elon says something incredibly stupid or cruel or just downright bigoted people people do the kind of trumping oh you know he doesn't mean it he's it's late at night he says
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these things you're right it's just he has kind of a one of the things we love about him is he has no filter he has a
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lack of control well guess what where he has a filter like uh you know a woman on on on
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on Tinder who's attractive who's like going to you know swipe right on one out of 7,000 men notice how he never says
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anything negative about China of course not he's business interest he's got real self-control and maturity when it comes
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to China goes over oh and and by the way Brazil who said go [ __ ] yourself all of
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a sudden he's really polite and doesn't say and he's restrained around Brazil so
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this is the problem with again with a democracy and free speech that's not enforced for everybody and people aren't
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protected universally is the incentives become shipost the people who don't have the balls or are still holding on to the
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Fidelity of free speech and democracy because there's no downside it'll be interesting to see what happens I I I do
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think the Supreme Court will probably weigh in on National Security issues it seems like it all the other courts have
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done so it is the law a trump executive order will do nothing just so you're aware it's just empty things and he can
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say I'm not enforcing it Pam Bondi in her hearing which we'll talk about in a minute uh said said didn't confirm or
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deny what she do it doesn't matter what they think if you're Tim what matters is what Tim Cook and suer Pai thinks going
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to happen to them in five years if they don't follow because they can be liable for 60 billion dollars in fines right if
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they don't follow it even if Trump later and stuff like that they're liable they
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have to follow the law which is right now that now Congress can change it they can shift things they can make new
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legislation they can override the ban completely but then you're right we look like [ __ ] wimps we look like wimps to
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China and once again and of course Trump wants to do the deal I'm going to do the deal I can see apparently he's spending
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an enormous amount of its time because it's so visually interesting to him is like I'm going to show the art it keeps
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saying art of the deal like stop it like there's no deal here you were the one let me just say you know the OG person
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who started this Donald Trump Donald with his executive order against Tik Tok I I agreed with him at the time by the way and so he started this mess and now he's
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going to come it's like the arsonist is going to come put out the fire he started this thing now he's trying to
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stop it everyone wants credit for the deal there's all these very self-interested people around the basket
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like Jeff Yas Elon Musk Larry Ellison whatever cockamamy idea they have of whatever billionaire can take over and so I I think they're going to there there's nothing they can do there's
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there's nothing they can do un un they overturn the actual law which they can do that's what they absolutely can do um
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interestingly while Tik Tok users are worried about the app will be banned are flocked to other Chinese social media
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app they didn't rush off to meta or anything else called red note which is appar I haven't gotten it's apparently
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very fun the app has grabbed the number one spot on Apple's most popular free apps chart with a reported over 700,000
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new users joining in two days um they can do this all day and night you remember that from uh from uh The
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Avengers I can do this all day and night the Chinese can do this all day and night with us and now people are
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flocking to all these Chinese apps well we going to ban all those right I mean it just go we we should have had a
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larger a larger bill because um and I we should have had a larger bill that's what happened here we had a shitty bill that was all ridiculously political and and performative and now we've got this
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and have you tried red notes Scott have what do you think about oh Cara I can barely like I it I had have my assistant
00:27:28
download Blue Sky I am so sick of building an audience and then finding out that the people that own this one bad yeah and trying to get on another one I'm just kind of I mean there's tug
00:27:40
tug boat there's just so many I'm just at some point I'm just going to go back to post it and maybe put it in the
00:27:46
elevator and maybe it maybe my my neighbors will find it funny I'm just going to start posting memes I lived in
00:27:52
Washington I lived in faculty housing until 2017 and there was a woman there who's
00:27:58
you know H NYU is a gentle place and we don't kick people out of Faculty housing
00:28:03
so it's literally a Senior's home I was hands down the youngest person by about 70 years and there was a woman there
00:28:10
whose husband who was like some big wheel in you know the Greek Classics in the 60s has been living there and she'd be outside and I liked her because she played with her dog and this tennis ball
00:28:22
and she used to she put up a little cork bulletin boort and she put up like funny comics that's where I'm headed I think
00:28:28
that's the last state safe platform going get you bulletin board I was trying I'm going to find the court board
00:28:34
and I'm going to post my [ __ ] there Aral fir anybody on Monday anybody on Monday
00:28:40
that needs a break from this I'm not going to Advocate joining me in my Peroni and xanx methodology the Panic
00:28:47
method I am going to be non-stop posting 80s music and footage of aerial firefighter thing that is it pornog at this point nothing about
00:28:58
no pornography I'm going to do on my own story wrot you about how popular they become how it's been like online
00:29:04
pornography watching these things just I sent you yeah I sent really story I don't read most of this you should send
00:29:09
[ __ ] you should read it I sent it directly to you it's all about the era and also there's several many
00:29:16
oh just so you know the funniest thing you sent me you did send me something where I laughed out LED was loud was a
00:29:22
PCT picture of B Seth and it said D I thought that was I think yeah yeah we'll get to that then all right we'll see where what's going to happen to the B Supreme Court get going tick tock tick tock um when we come back we'll talk
00:29:36
about the contentious confirmation hearings for Trump's P cabinet including uh DUI hire Pete heg um and take a
00:29:43
listener mail question about recovery responsibility with the LA fires a number of president-elect Trump's
00:29:49
cabinet nominees are in Capitol Hill this week for their confirmation hearings it's you know the perform speaking performative Secretary of State
00:29:56
nominee Marco Rubio got welcome reception from Senators on both sides of the aisle Marco rub R has never seen
00:30:03
more qualifi never seen he's like the Statesman of the 20th century now L Marco is is low bar Marco um and and may I call you Marco while attorney general
00:30:15
nominee pamani faced pointed questions about election Nile and Prosecuting Trump's enemies she was she was pretty
00:30:20
slippery I thought and and when asked uh by Senator Blumenthal about whether she would enforce the Tik Tock ban Bondi
00:30:27
avoided another direct answer what a good lawyer she is let's listen will you commit to enforce that law on your first
00:30:34
day when you are conf if you are confirmed Senator as I discussed with you during our meeting that is pending
00:30:40
litigation within the Department of Justice well it's pending litigation but will you enforce that law I can't
00:30:46
discuss pending litigation but I I will I will talk to all the career offic again prosecutors who are handling the case absolutely Senator give her the job I don't know what else to say
00:31:00
yeah it's pending litigation I just I'm um are you going to pick your kids up from school after school today it's that's speculative Senator I don't that's a hypothetical I don't I don't
00:31:13
know she's not going to enforce it but it doesn't matter they'll enforce it themselves um what did you think of her
00:31:18
at that hearing just curious yeah Pam let's call it Pam Marco Pam let's just call let's deinze all of them well look
00:31:26
I okay one as a citizen and when these people evaluate people for what are incredibly important jobs I would find it refreshing if some of them actually answered questions even if it upset
00:31:39
people um but in terms of her skill set I thought she demonstrated real skill she she demonstrated outstanding
00:31:46
political skills she came across as indignant and refused to answer any questions and that's the environment
00:31:52
we're in so she was I thought she was quite skilled I I don't which makes her quite which makes her quite Frank L
00:31:58
probably even more scary I I think heg we're getting to that is going to let me read yeah so the real fireworks happened
00:32:04
at the hearing for defense secretary nominee the very unqualified Fox News host he's he's qualified to be a Fox
00:32:10
News host Pete Heth whose confirmation is looking likely at this point heg Seth had heated exchanges with Democrats over
00:32:16
allegations of sexual misconduct his comments about women in combat and whether he's qualified for the job and when asked by uh Senator Alysa slotkin
00:32:24
about whether he would carry out an illegal order from the president heg that danced around and badly let's
00:32:30
listen do you believe there is such a thing as an illegal order that Joe Biden or any other president Donald Trump
00:32:37
could give is there anything that a commanderin-chief could ask you to do with the uniform military that would be
00:32:43
in violation of the US Constitution Senate anybody of any party could give an order that is against the Constitution or against the law right okay so and are you so are you saying
00:32:54
that you would stand in the breach and push back if you were given an illegal order I start by saying I reject the
00:32:59
premise that President Trump will gival orders at all all right well again you know um and they also Came Out Swinging during the hearings focusing a lot on heg said's personal shortcomings
00:33:12
I did not feel this was an effective strategy me and the me and the Cuban didn't think it I thought they should
00:33:18
like nobody cares that he's a drunk and a and a cheater and possibly a sexual uh
00:33:23
uh Predator I mean allegedly I think he seems pretty young yucky to me um creepy
00:33:29
at the at the very least um creepy and drinks too much uh we know that I don't think anybody cares obviously Donald
00:33:36
Trump doesn't care the Senators these Republican Senators don't care what they needed to do was show what an
00:33:42
incompetent person is and and and uh Senator Duckworth tried to by by uh trying to get him to name countries what are the Nations right exactly um that's
00:33:53
they should have been a Ratatat with what about this in Ukraine what about here what about who
00:33:58
huies what about Syria what would be your next move in Syria what would be like B to show he is just as dumb as a
00:34:05
box of hammers and that would have been a much more effective thing to do centering in on his with his honestly I
00:34:13
don't care that his wife was there I mean he's obviously a pig but um and he may have changed I have no idea I I
00:34:19
don't get the impression I've heard there's been reports he continues to drink heavily um uh I don't I don't
00:34:25
think that matters at this point even though I agree it's pretty heinous but I thought they they bollock this badly
00:34:32
what do you think I think you're exactly right you kind of stole my fun first off Christen
00:34:38
Gill Brand's Senator Jill Brand's questioning of him totally triggered me and I was trying to figure it out and
00:34:43
I'm like this is summarized her tone and his face summarized the last year of my
00:34:49
first marriage it just that was a joke be funnier um feel bad but you're exactly right the questions folks Trump has
00:35:01
demonstrated that we have moved and that is and Democrats kind of started this off I you know a lot of a lot of former presidents have not acquitted themselves well but basically president Trump has
00:35:15
demonstrated that at least 49% of the populace and probably more like 70 like regarding drinking personal Behavior
00:35:22
what I'll call more generally we refer to his character you know Honeybadger just
00:35:28
care and it doesn't you come across as indignant you come across as a cultural PR it doesn't work what they should have been asking is what do you think is the
00:35:39
likelihood or the capabilities of an amphibious assault on China and what are we doing to prevent that What new
00:35:46
technologies or combat techniques have you learned from the wars in Gaza and in Ukraine and I think it would have demonstrated I would I believe that quite frankly he just doesn't have a
00:35:58
command of the he doesn't have the domain expertise to make really good decisions around this stuff I believe I
00:36:05
don't you know he knows a lot about combat but these the defense secretary is supposed to be able to make very high level decisions strategically the position us to be the greatest continue
00:36:16
to be the greatest fighting force in history and then coordinate resources across all sorts of agencies and five
00:36:23
different branches of the armed services and no they didn't go they went a little bit around his bad management
00:36:30
of his tiny little things which I think they should have too but current things that is anj right Senator Duckworth was
00:36:38
the only one that kind of did her in my opinion that kind of did her job she she's been in the Army obviously she
00:36:43
lost her he can be he can be a low character person and still I hate to say this be probably a competent Secretary
00:36:50
of Defense what you can't be is a High character person who doesn't know what the [ __ ] you're doing and how to
00:36:55
organize 3 million million men and women in uniform with multiple alliances multiple technology I I mean you have to
00:37:04
understand somewhat the incredibly complex supply chain of trying to figure out a way to uh to arm and Supply
00:37:13
nuclear submarines roaming the Earth that aren't even that aren't even coming above water for 18 months at a time this
00:37:19
[ __ ] is showing him as this [ __ ] is complicated showing like I was always like show don't tell they kept saying he
00:37:26
was incompetent show him as incompetent show that he can't answer a question the funniest one though was you show this
00:37:32
like what are the countries in this group and what are the countries in this and then you ask him okay what are the three brands of vodka you could make a
00:37:39
joke you could bring that drunkenness in but because he knows the three that was George Conway did that thing I know it
00:37:46
is but I'm just saying just well if they're going to do the performative thing you might as well do that but General Jim Beam and Sergeant Jack
00:37:52
Daniels George Conway thing first ask him the hard question and then ask him one that he knows the answer to
00:37:58
um but it was it's really it was just you let me just say I was interesting when I said this and Mark did the same thing um I got like like oh people do
00:38:09
care I'm like they I care you care nobody else cares or they don't care enough to to knock him off for this and by the way if you don't think we've had really creepy drunk dec of Defense in
00:38:22
our history I don't know what you're smoking cuz we have we've had a lot of creepy people in high positions of power
00:38:28
in this country for years and years and years I'm sure we've had rapists I'm sure we've had drunks I'm sure we've had
00:38:35
all kinds of malfeas but what matters is competency in this moment because publicly it doesn't it doesn't he he didn't they didn't put a glove on this guy I thought I don't know but but just
00:38:47
to be clear he's never been convicted of I I don't the he's clear he paid her off
00:38:54
that's I don't I don't yeah he which in some cases people do pragmatically I I feel like I have to be M with me on Morning Joe right now but
00:39:05
the I'm all about I I don't think Nixon was a good man but I actually think he was pretty [ __ ] brilliant geopolitically the I want somebody I'd like Dave Clark the former head of
00:39:17
operations from Amazon to be Secretary of Defense because the bottom line is when you run defense you are essentially
00:39:23
the world's most important operations person and there's no there was no there was no questions around the dumb important stuff like supply chain weapons developments new tactics in war
00:39:36
like tunnels and drones are the new weapons in every war whether it's tanks or jet engines or radar there's new technologies that change the landscape and if you're not on top of those
00:39:48
Technologies you stand to lose to a smaller Army as evidence by what's going on Russia and Ukraine and there was no
00:39:53
thoughtful discussion around whether this guy has any command of that whatsoever said they wanted to know if he if he was drunk at some strip club at
00:40:01
some Gathering strip club anyway I I I thought the Democrats came across is like okay maybe maybe you just bang your
00:40:08
intern quietly or your PhD student but just ask the [ __ ] questions about being secretary I think I I don't know
00:40:15
if it would have worked necessarily but it would have put it on the record right it would have put it it was and someone was arguing with me and I said do you
00:40:21
know that Katie krik interview with Sarah Palin was deadly because she was polite she's like what are you read what
00:40:28
about this she wasn't rude she just she just just showed that Sarah Palin was unqualified and ignorant and she didn't do it rudely she didn't she did it that was you mean what she couldn't name
00:40:41
newspaper that was a surgical what you read I read them all which one which one me just W go watch that interview and
00:40:47
that's how they should they should have had Katie kurick in there teaching them how to ask questions and she did it very gracefully but at the end of the
00:40:54
interview she was Sarah palum was finished as far as was concerned and and we understood everyone the penny went
00:41:01
click um the other thing that I thought I I will say one thing Janie Ernst I get
00:41:06
that they're putting pressure on you and they're going to primary you if you didn't do this but you have give your values were around women in the military
00:41:13
and sexual assault she is a sexual assault victim I I'm at some point you got to stand up
00:41:20
for what you are and you didn't and um and you you you've taken a dive and I understand why you did but boy I'm sorry you should have stood up for women and you didn't so and women like yourself
00:41:33
but the I've been thinking about Senator ER and I thought God it's given her background and I thought is it unfair to
00:41:40
hold someone to a different standard because they were a victim of something not just that she was in the military
00:41:45
too well the one I love though my favorite is Senator Susan Collins is going to take the weekend because she's concerned you want to talk about a new
00:41:57
position in the narcissist Crypt she it is Def there's a place for Senator Collins because Senator Collins I will maybe Ki Oh my God I'm GNA bet on this
00:42:11
if anyone can find a betting site around how Senator Collins is going to vote she's like look at me I'm concerned I'm a moderate I'm thoughtful I need to take
00:42:22
the weekend to review his testimony I have never been ever since Floyd Mayweather fought con McGregor that that oh yeah Senator
00:42:34
Collins is really struggling with this decision it just she's like look at me I'm a thoughtful moderate nobody owns me that vote no one p Peter Pete Seth and
00:42:48
president Trump are not worried about Senator Collins falling in line with the Republican party but she's like please look at me look at me I'm going to think Makowski has got a set but not the
00:43:02
rest of them anyway because she won went after her and she won so she's like yeah
00:43:09
but one of the keys to having moderates who actually vote their conscious and aren't aren't live in fear is that uh
00:43:16
it's I think it's final five voting in Alaska where moderates actually get elected anyway well they do have the
00:43:23
prospect at this time it's slightly different but I don't really care I'd still would I'd still be [ __ ] you is uh
00:43:29
deploying musk's money he keeps threatening uh Trump keeps threatening the deploying of musk money just so you
00:43:34
know I'm going to a new members club tonight Shamar go and I'm not sure I'm going to drink care I'm not I'm not sure
00:43:41
I'm going to get [ __ ] up and and become more charming and like myself and like the world more I need to think
00:43:47
about it I need to I need to think about remember you are team owner now behaved
00:43:52
like one um that is behaving like one are you kidding all right Scott you're Ryan Reynolds adjacent now finally um can you get like his dad no Ryan
00:44:05
Reynolds now that you're friends whatever all right okay good for go let's see I just want a discount on okay
00:44:12
Scott let's they're one of our sponsors many years ago or maybe recently okay Scott let's pivot to a listener question
00:44:24
[Music] hey Scott and Cara this is Nancy in Santa Rosa California um my question is economic and tied to the fires in Southern California uh having lived through
00:44:37
several wildfires and been evacuated I have to say it's breaking my heart to see what's going on in in Los Angeles but my question for you to is where are
00:44:49
the banks it seems to me we're talking about government assistance we're talking about rebuilding assistance
00:44:57
we're talking about uh assistance what the insurance companies are going to be able to do but it seems to me that most
00:45:05
of those homes and most of those businesses were in buildings that were basically owned by the Banks and the
00:45:11
occupants were paying it off um so where are the banks that's my question where are the bank once again in another disaster where are the banks thanks you guys you've made me so much smarter than
00:45:25
I deserve to be bye well thank you uh Nancy from Santa Rosa um I I I I'll very briefly say where they will be here because they will suffer losses or they will collect all this property because a
00:45:37
lot of people probably aren't going to keep you have to keep paying your mortgage even if your house doesn't exist from what I understand uh because
00:45:43
you have the commitment to the banks many people will default or work out other terms with these Banks or the banks will get the properties or the
00:45:49
land I guess and be able to develop it or sell it or or whatever I mean I think it's that's what's going to happen here
00:45:56
and I think probably some of them will suffer some of the banks will and some won't um you know the more disturbing
00:46:02
conversation going on is all these idiot Republicans saying that they're not going to pay they're going to add you know add conditions onto onto payments
00:46:10
around uh disaster relief it's just a ridiculous way our country has always went to the aid in disaster relief and
00:46:17
so that to me is heinous but in this case I think the banks will either own the properties or you know give building
00:46:24
loans to build these things back it probably pretty good rates I know Newsome's working towards keeping
00:46:30
insurance companies off the backs of people and getting probably government will probably play a big role here Scott
00:46:36
I think they're going to be fine because I I think it's Federal legislation I know that in Florida to
00:46:42
get a mortgage you have to show proof of insurance so I would imagine the majority of those homes that burned down
00:46:48
are going to get an insurance check such that they can continue to pay the mortgage the banks cover their ass as
00:46:53
they're supposed to and if you're in a high-fire area or a dangerous area or I think even if
00:46:59
you just get any mortgage you have as a condition of getting a mortgage you have to show homeowners insurance so I don't
00:47:06
think they have much exposure the more interesting conversation in my view and I'm a bit of a darwinian
00:47:12
here we have a tendency to always want to socialize the losses and the reality is when you build a Tinder Box or decide to buy a Tinder Box in a beautiful spectacular desert with high pressure
00:47:25
and low pressure systems I'll go to me I live on the water in Florida There's real climate change risk or weather risk and my view is I should
00:47:36
either pay for the insurance at a market rate or move or the value of my house should go down and
00:47:44
I and so instead we go to this understandable sympathy for these people and taxpayers including people who could never afford to live in the Palisades end up bailing folks out I I I just hate
00:47:59
to say it I think I think you if you're going to live in a dangerous area because of the upside to you personally
00:48:05
from a consumption standpoint I don't think taxpayers should be bailing these people out and until people feel the
00:48:11
full weight of whether it's climate change or the cost of living in high-risk areas we're not going to do
00:48:17
anything about point I think there's initial disaster relief you can bring in food 100% You Know cover costs that
00:48:24
people pay back and things like that but I I tend to agree with you I think you you know I know I live in an earthquake
00:48:29
zone in San Francisco so I went out of my way to put in uh steel gter and uh put them down into the Bedrock I did so much stuff around fire uh in terms of of
00:48:42
of not having as much wood I thought about passive AR it's called passive architecture which is thicker walls more
00:48:48
concrete Etc uh I didn't do all of it because it was an old house I wasn't able it was an old wooden house but I
00:48:54
definitely did everything possible it cost me a lot of money to do so I have enormous Insurance you know on that
00:49:00
because of earthquake insurance um and it's all at the cost to me now I would expect some some federal help around
00:49:08
food or temporary things or uh relief but I wouldn't I wouldn't demand it after a certain amount of time safety would be one of them like keep my house safe keep like looters and things like
00:49:21
that why should taxpayers Federal taxpayers at the gas pump paying what whatever it is tax on their current income as a waiter or as a chiropractor
00:49:33
why should they be subsidizing my right to live on the on the water in Florida well that's a bigger question why should
00:49:39
people pay for schools because if I don't have kids why should I pay for uh corn subsidies because there's a social
00:49:47
good to having an educated populace is there a social good to making sure Scott can stare at the ocean waiting for the
00:49:52
ass cancer it's not my it's not your right to live in a spectacular desert that collides with the sea with these beautiful mountains that create these funnels of hot air if you want to live
00:50:06
there in my opinion you should bear the costs including the risks well Nancy uh the banks will be fine don't worry Jamie
00:50:13
Diamond's fine if there's a mortgage uh of any kind the banks will own the property uh that tends to be the
00:50:19
situation or they'll figure something out they always sort of work it all out and and will overcharge people as uh as
00:50:25
healthcare companies have gotten good at doing um anyway if you've got a question of your own that you'd like to answer
00:50:30
send it our way go to nymag.com Pivot to submit a question for the show or call 85551 pivot okay Scott let's hear a
00:50:37
prediction and make it good well I think that inflation and the tenear bond are going to be the adults in the room in the next few months well
00:50:49
if you think about the 13,000 homes have been destroyed and the idea that I mean
00:50:55
Trump's too big big policies are I mean a few things uh the the implicit kind of
00:51:03
expectation that'll either keep taxes low or lower them two that he'll be very he'll take a tougher stand on on illegal
00:51:10
immigrants and three that he's going to impose tariffs this is the perfect storm
00:51:15
for inflation and where you're going to see examples of it that hit the news are when people start to rebuild in the
00:51:22
Palisades and the hiring pool is vastly dimin finished and the cost of a washing
00:51:28
machine or a garage door is up 40 or 60% and then that month all the building stuff and that month you see a bump up in CPI and the tenure goes [ __ ] crazy
00:51:41
it's like his entire the person I am most excited about in the Trump cabinet who is the most qualified is the 10year bond because if it starts to spike and goes and says the
00:51:54
expectation of inflation is coming back because of this guys inflationary policies around tariffs um deporting
00:52:01
immigrants and I want to be clear if you've committed a crime and you're an illegal immigrant that's your second
00:52:06
crime I am down with those people being being being deported but the reality is if you go to a construction site it is an undocumented workers La laaloa it is indeed and by the way some of these
00:52:18
people speaking for a friend are remarkably [ __ ] talented and hard working especially in California by the
00:52:24
way especially and we'll get on aout work 12 hours such that they can make you know 300 400 bucks that day and then
00:52:33
send 200 home you know to wherever it is to to El Sal or wherever they're from but the fact that all of a sudden these people are going to be scared to show up to a work site or that they might be
00:52:43
worried about or they just might not come here it's been this on a positive note this this Workforce has been one of
00:52:50
the most flexible economically advantageous workforces in history and then you're going to start this [ __ ]
00:52:57
around taxing all these products and by the way these folks the next day will Implement reciprocal tariffs you want to
00:53:04
talk about the choke point in AI you know I used to think oh it's nuclear stocks are going to go up nuclear stocks
00:53:11
my analyst Miss of Ariel reminded me that nuclear can't really be online to they can't handle a third of the
00:53:17
incremental Demand by like 2050 because there's latency in building a nuclear power plant she said it's going to be
00:53:22
all about liquid natural gas we get a lot of L G from Canada what happens when Canada gets sick of being pissed on food prices are you're going to see they they do you know how many products chicken
00:53:37
chicken there's car there are cars that are eventually sold or quote unquote manufactured in the US they go back and
00:53:43
forth to Mexico different components and different parts like a half a dozen or dozen times so they immediately
00:53:49
reciprocate with like-minded tariffs and what's going to bring it to light is some of the costs around trying to
00:53:55
rebuild and then the adult in the room on the cabinet is going to be the 10e and if inflation starts to spike all
00:54:02
have his grandiose plans around tariffs yeah it's going to come undone so anyways my prediction is that the rebuild effort as we begin to cost it out are going to shine a light on the
00:54:13
inflationary pressures of kind of right Trump's signature policies you know I I know it sounds crazy
00:54:20
butor interesting no it is interesting I you know man and I are renovating our house in DC and we were thrilled it's
00:54:26
almost done like I remember we were like we missed uh like all the cost of wood all the cost of Labor all the costs of
00:54:33
all the things were from all you know we bought locally we we did a lot of local stuff Windows fixed and stuff like that
00:54:41
but I went to this guy who was doing our window restoration we restored old windows and it was I don't know who the
00:54:47
workers were but they were these wonderful skilled workers all over the place and I I don't I they were not they
00:54:54
were all um from from other countries every single person in there he was training them um and
00:55:00
they were wonderful crafts people but I don't know where they were from I don't know anything about it but at the same
00:55:06
time I was thinking oh my God if this was the Trump Administration would cost us double to do the renovation or it
00:55:12
would be the inflation pressures or the ability to even have workers would have been like spiked and I agree with Scott
00:55:19
it's going to be if people are going to start to feel it really hard food prices um Furniture couches is everything
00:55:27
everything you own is um is uh is is is subject to this problem um we are so interwined um one of the great stories actually I would push people to look at was um how the the pl how Atlantic did
00:55:40
one on how many Plastics there are in everything we do and so one of the reasons these things burned so quickly
00:55:45
was because um so much of our goods from couches to everything with so much plastic in our houses um it goes up and
00:55:52
it's quite I heard we have plastic in our testicles did you read that article not my testicles mine are clean my
00:55:58
testicles are clean based on that down vest you're wearing I'm now convinced you have testicles where did you get
00:56:03
that thing stop it uh David zaso uh gave it to me of course he did yeah he wears
00:56:08
it course he did he wears it I said can where can I get one of your lesbian vests he wears a lot of layers yeah the
00:56:14
guy got it I I had interview uh one of Mark Thompson at one of their events and this was part of the swag it's very care
00:56:22
swier it is it is I love it it's one of my favorite things all right before we go it's high quality it's very soft
00:56:28
because because it's from David's ass off um before we go a quick look at what's going on elsewhere in the Karen
00:56:33
Scott Universe this week on Prof G Market Scott spoke with our favorite Canadian who now will be under tariffs
00:56:40
Andrew Ros sorin editor at large of dealbook at the New York Times and co-anchor of cnbc's squawk Fox uh
00:56:48
disclosure he's not actually Canadian we just call them that um let's listen to a clip of you and Andy Ross if China is
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prepared to sell to Elon Musk and only to Elon Musk what does that say about the leverage and influence that China must think that they have over Elon Musk
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by Dent of his factories and Tesla business in the nation state that is China and then it probably raises a whole secondary order of questions which is if China feels this way how should we
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as Americans feel that people are calling him the co-president of the United States to say nothing of Russia
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Andy Ross and his influence is various influence How would how did that go with you and him I like I love Randy Rosser I think
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the most trusted journalist in the world right now is Anderson Cooper and I think second is probably I think the most
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trusted business journalist in the world is is is Andrew and my co-host uh at Elson this 25y old kid has
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been working with us who is to me what I am to you and that is I discovered his ass and he said to him he stopped the podcast joke and he said you're my professional role model to which I
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responded well I hope he pays your bonus [ __ ] I was like not good Ed don't you
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understand the Fine Art of kissing up he has better hair let's be clear I think he's he's arguably the most likable man
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in media I've never heard anyone say anything bad about Andrew San I think he's underpaid actually I've told him
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that because he just he wants to work I know but he could make bankier he could make bankier because he could go off on
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his own I don't think enough I think he deserves more that's my maybe you should buy the New York Times stop it listen up
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next week you'll uh will be in your feeds a daylight because of the holiday see you on Wednesday to talk about the
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inauguration we're going to tape on Tuesday after it's eliv have plenty to talk about all the pictures of the the
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you know the Three Amigos or the three idiotes um who will be sitting on at the parade and listen it is no degrees and
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the richest people in the world have to sit there on really uncomfortable chairs until Donald Trump gets up what a great
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world this is thanks for watching pivot on YouTube oh YouTube I've heard of that it's kind of it's kind of the new thing
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