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Joining us here on Wharton's campus is
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Mr. Kamill Hassan, Indian actor and
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producer and a legend of Indian cinema.
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Kamill, thank you so much for joining
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us. Thank you. My pleasure. You know
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before we begin, I just want to share a
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quick anecdote. Uh I went to college in
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Bits Pilani in India and uh I remember
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uh way back uh you know one of the years
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our Pilani Tamil association screened Ah
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Shanmugi and uh you know I remember
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before the screening a few students uh
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walked in with a big portrait of yours
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and they garlanded the portrait and they
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did an arty and then the screening began
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and no other film no other actor got
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that uh kind of attention. So I know
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those guys and I know they did it in
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lighter vein but I it also speaks
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volumes about your uh fans and how
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diehard fans they are. So can you can
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you say a little bit about your
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relationship with your fans? My
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relationship has been very different now
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I've become from just their entertainer
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I've become their elder brother and sort
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of a leader to them.
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I was not planning to lead the or even
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follow but it just happened that I had
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this enormous manpower
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going to waste or to politics which I
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didn't want either happening right so we
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converted all of them into social
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service uh
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arm and now we have about 300 to 400,000
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actual workers who could go out into the
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field and do things on command but only
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for civic reasons not political or
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rabbel rousing of any other sort. I see.
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So we are part of a clean India movement
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also which prime minister by the prime
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minister and we have been doing that for
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the past 30 years. Oh wow. So we being
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chosen as one of the ambassadors I think
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is more a recognition for me than a new
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appointment. So we've been at it and
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we're very proud that uh I think it's
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only because of those people uh the
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amount of money that has been spent. M I
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mean in dollar terms it might mean
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little but uh it's something like uh
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6 or 7 million
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but all from people those those
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currencies are wet with sweat they're
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hardworking some of them are laborers
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earning very little but they donate so
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we have created a habit of donating and
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serving among Even those who actually
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are making ends meet. Wow. So they they
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are uh it's sort of it's a reversal of
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roles. I've become their fan
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for all that they're doing to society.
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It's and we're working together and
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still hope to work together. No. Kudos
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to you. It's great to see you put that
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stardom into a great social mission.
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Yeah. When I told them about 30 years
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back that I'll be proud telling them I
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have done this. So please understand it
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might sound silly now but now they we
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are a team who have donated body parts
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donated eyes we are blood donors blood
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bank sch callers when they need blood
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special group people go out of their
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town to donate blood in another town
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and that that's what we have created now
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you know talking about your fans
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yesterday I had a conversation with one
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of your fans who's my mother-in-law
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and she is telling me that she's seen
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your first movie from 1960 when you were
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3 or 4 years old. Right. And I was
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amazed to learn that you've had a 55
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year career in films and you've done
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over 200 uh movies as you become it's
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become 57 now. It's 57 now. That's
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right. I figured you might have stopped
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counting now after a while. Well, for
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for obvious reasons. It's not good PR to
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keep telling what kind of citizen you
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are. Right. Right. Fair enough. Uh but
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as you reflect on on this illustrious
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career, what were the key moments or the
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key opportunities that that changed your
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career trajectory?
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Well, people here when I see actors and
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even today, not only Hollywood but even
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in they scheme, they plan, they sit and
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decide what they're going to do. I did
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nothing of that sort. M and if I if I
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tell you the uh kind of coincidences
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that happened that made me go from one
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to another, it's unbelievable. My I was
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just talking on uh serious radio and I
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was telling them that my when I given up
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in on acting because my father thought I
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should pursue uh school and uh stuff
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like that. I was seven or eight and I
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had an accident in school while fooling
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around. fell into the well of a stair
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three stories down. Oh my goodness. So
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that notoriity gave me
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a sort of visibility that took me to
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theater. So I was known as a kid who
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survived who fell. So he was also an
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actor movie actor. So somebody looking
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for a child actor for his theater group
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found me and he became my guru and I
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became like one among the family. Then
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he is TK Shanmukam the Dian of Tamil
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theater. Right. Right. Out after whom I
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named a film a Shanmuki. All right. Oh
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interesting. Shanmukam is his name. So
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he's he's mentored so many actors in the
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time. I I was one of them. Then I became
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a dance choreographer. Again another
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accident and I thought I won't be
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performing. So I went and joined as an
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assistant choreographer in movies. I was
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only playing sound for rehearsals. Then
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they found I could dance and then he
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took me in and my boss at that time
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became a director like how Bob force say
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from choreography to film direction. He
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he also graduated and so along with him
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I latched on became an assistant
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director. I was all this happened
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between 16 and 19. Wow. It's probably
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the perfect time. It's like going to
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film school, but I wish I had gone to
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film school, but it was finding my way,
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which was very bad. But then I wrote my
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first screenplay when I was 19.
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And the director of the film thought I
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should star in that because I understand
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the character best. So here I was and
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then my mentor
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uh Mr. Baljander found me and I told him
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he liked me and I told him I'd like to
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become a director like you sir one day.
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He said don't be a fool take up take up
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acting. I see you becoming an actor and
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I was wrong and he was right. And um he
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said you could become a director
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whenever you want because you're trained
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for it. But this is something else that
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doesn't happen to everybody. So I see. I
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did 36 films with him which is Wow.
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So you're you're talking about doing 36
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films with him. So clearly he's a person
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who he's like a father to me. Right.
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Right. Are there other uh people or
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maybe other films that inspired you? And
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I asked because you've been an
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inspiration to a lot of actors and
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directors. So I'm curious to know what
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inspires the person. Quite a few like I
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thought the my world ended with Tarian
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and Divipumar's
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this is the where the sun sets this is
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where the moon rises kind of
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limitations. Then later we saw Brando we
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understood Brando. Mhm. Then Orson Wells
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and stuff like that I see and then my
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horizon broadened further. Then you saw
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European actors. We thought then
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Hollywood is the zenith. Then we found
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that various pockets of genius that you
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where even Hollywood picks up from right
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then we got introduced to Japanese,
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Chinese,
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uh, Dutch cinema and they've all been
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inspirations in my career. I see. Now,
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you talked about how you didn't have
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training and and you know, I wish I'd
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gone to a film school, but you also were
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trained as a dancer and I can see how
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your experience in performing arts could
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uh be a source of inspiration for you as
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an actor. But tell us a little bit more
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on what you draw upon as an actor. Is it
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sheer instinct? Is it the dance
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training? What is it? No, dance training
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can be only one part like if you see
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Christopher Watkins, I never knew he
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could even dance. M that's not what I
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admired him for. It was a surprise when
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he could dance. So dance could be just a
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part of right of uh your acting
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progress. As a matter of fact, Fred
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Aastra, they always talk about his um
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dancing. That's right. Or Jane Kelly for
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both of them were good actors too.
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They didn't focus on it as much as they
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did dancing. So I think cinema itself is
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a very versatile medium. To be serving
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that medium you have to be versatile.
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You'll have to know so many things and I
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enjoyed it and um since I grew up my
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eyes open to cinema. I probably
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understood like how a child born with a
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computer environment plays easily with
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it than a person who saw the advent of
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computer coming in and slowly touched it
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and got used to it. Uh it's like today's
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ch children who take up an iPad and
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start playing the baby games on an iPad.
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Right. So you grew up with cinema,
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right? that that that's probably one
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little
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uh sort of help in the gradient that I
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got. Right. So let's talk a little bit
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about your movies. You've made some
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amazing films like Nikon uh which I saw
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for a second time just uh this week uh
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and was blown away by the intensity but
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there's so many other the list is so
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long. Michael Madan Kamar Rajan Aveshan
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Mmogi Saga uh in Canada which is the
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language I speak Rama Shama and many
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others
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uh where I mean I'm curious to
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understand how you go about selecting
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your films I mean you've had this uh
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amazing set of films and I'm interested
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in understanding what is the process
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that goes into deciding I'm going to do
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this film and not that other film
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it's it's complicated but it's very
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simple also the way you select the film
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films to see,
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you know, and some people pick the right
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movie all the time because they've been
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doing only that. They love it, right?
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And they say, "Not this one." And you're
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wondering which one to pick. And there's
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this wise geek, a cinema geek who tells
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you, "Go to that one because I think
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it's going to be good." It's it's still
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a chance. It might but that's that's
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what I uh obey that audience and me. I
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think ultimately all directors are
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trying to become that audience they once
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were right where you could totally
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concentrate on the center of screen one
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the moment you become a technician you
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start watching the corners shakes a
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little you notice it pans a little you
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notice it so you're not actually
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immersed into the watching of the film
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right other details sort of crowd your
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mind so most great directors are
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simplifying
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their job and becoming the audience is
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probably the zenith of their
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wish list, you know, to become that.
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Right. Right. You just gave the
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perspective of the director or the
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cameraman and and you yourself have been
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a producer. You've uh directed, you've
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written. Uh could you tell us a little
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bit about what got you into producing,
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directing, why did you decide to do it
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yourself? Survival.
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How it's like being a gladiator and then
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starting a gladiator school and then
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becoming Spartacus.
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It's it's like that you know it it
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became truly because because the kind of
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films they were doing was not
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satisfactory. The kind of films I was
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suggesting would become
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I mean intervention.
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Some people were lucky like Brando got
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to got his say in any film he did. He
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was such a big star but I didn't want to
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uh risk bad PR so I put my money where
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my mouth was. Okay. So and it worked. We
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have now produced uh 40 films under my
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company and out of which we have more
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than 30 hits
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which uh include films like Mahan even
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Rama Shamabama we were part of. So
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you're not just an amazing creative
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person, you're a great businessman too.
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You could come teach at Wharton in that
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case. 30 out of 40 films. That's
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amazing. Yeah. That that but we we know
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the we are now concentrating on the
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other 10.
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Why and how? And we have the answers but
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a little too late.
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But it could be imparted to somebody
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else. Yes. we more than coming toward
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and I think we'll have to sit home and
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mull over our failures and see that it
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doesn't happen again. So come on let's
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switch gears a little bit and talk about
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Indian cinema in general and the
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challenges and the opportunities uh it
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faces. So if you look at Indian cinema
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you know there's some great movies that
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have come out of it. Of course there's
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Satya
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you know your own film Niagen directed
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by Maniratnam has been listed by Time
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magazine as one of the hundred greatest
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films of all time. Um and as I mentioned
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earlier I saw it again second time this
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week and I was simply blown away by the
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intensity of the movie.
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Now while we have produced these kinds
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of movies, it's also true that given how
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massive the market is, these kinds of
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movies have more been exceptions than
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the norm of the u industry and you also
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alluded to the fact that uh you became a
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producer because the kinds of films you
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wanted to make weren't being made. So
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can you tell us a little bit about why
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despite India being such a big film
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market, India hasn't been producing
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great cinema at the same rate? Uh the
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thing is more people with money started
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dictating the proceed proceedings of the
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business. Less and less visionaries were
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doing it. I see. when you had uh KF,
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I think I would put the blames squely on
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great people like KF were taking so long
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to make films. If they had only made it
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faster, they would have set example, set
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the pace, set the bar higher every time.
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And uh it was very difficult, very tough
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market. And there weren't any studios,
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right? They all shut down soon after
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independence. Everybody was an
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independent producer. They didn't go the
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Hollywood route. So, everybody was
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risking it. Like even my own company
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is is like two brothers running the
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company. But we we are visionaries. We
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we look at what we want to do and we bet
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our stakes are high but we bet it on
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what we believe in. And it's worked
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about 30 times for us. Yeah. Now my own
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hypothesis on this subject is that it
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feels to me like there is an
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underinvestment in scripts in India. So
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if you look at uh Hollywood for example
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development which is you know licensing
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a book or writing the screenplay takes
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up 10 to 15% of the total budget. I
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looked at similar numbers for the Hindi
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cinema industry which was around 1 to
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one and a half% and I imagine it's
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similar in other languages. No it's even
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less. So, so it's it's it's so reliant
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on stars and existing uh fame that
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doesn't try anything. They don't believe
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truly that content could become king. I
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see. They think they need an actual king
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with a crown in physical form. So that's
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why they go to stars all the time. But
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the things are changing now. And uh as I
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was talking it's time that India started
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making its film uh in the language that
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it communicates with each
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interstate communication is not done in
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Canada between Tamil Nadu
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and uh Karnataka. Interstate
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communication between Maharashtra and
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Tamil Nadu happens because we have one
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national language called English.
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Right? So that is our strength and we
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should
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start making films in that language. And
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what about the writers you know what
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does it take for writers to you know get
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due attention in the industry is that
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happening already or it's it's slowly
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happening like I started on my own
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initiative it was not by any my company
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did it and we had a workshop uh
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screenplay workshop
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more than one or two uh where we made
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all international writers come and
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attend and I Madras was kind enough to
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offer space and that's probably the one
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time where
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two
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spectrums met you know it never ever got
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together
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and both need each other that way the
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two spectrums being the creative writers
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the creative writers and not only that
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IIT is
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technical talent technical talent and
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it's where intelligentia is supposed to
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reside side and if that connects with uh
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uh Tamil film making look at the kind of
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synergy that they could create that's
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what I was trying to even now I'm very
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keen on um making a media school uh
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those opportunities that I missed should
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be now given to this extraordinary
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talent and we have neglected most of uh
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talented India Yeah. Right. Right. Like
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for Assam, Megalai,
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right? Northwest uh northeast frontier
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itself. We we never looked into it.
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That's right. Now, moving on from
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writing, another criticism of Indian
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cinema uh tends to be the nepotism in
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the industry that there is uh it's hard
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for a newcomer to get in and it's easier
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for insiders. Um what's your take on
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that? Is that fair? And more
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importantly, is it possible for somebody
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with uh new creative ideas or with great
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talent to break in even if they have no
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connection? It's happening like I I was
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a nobody. Yeah. You clearly were so I
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can go by my example and I was not even
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from that part of the country. Yeah. And
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I didn't even speak that language but
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they welcome me and I think you can say
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that yes that that's true of Hollywood
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too. M
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you have uh there I guess fewer you know
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father son type of things that you can
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point to. Yeah, that that's the same
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thing that's happening there. But well,
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like a kid who's been in cinema from
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three and a half benefits. He
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understands it better. Look at me. So
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now Shi, my daughter is in movies. She
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understands it better. But she didn't
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want to become an actor. She actually
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was a graduate from musicians institute.
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Oh, really? In LA. But then she came
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back and she took to acting. She she's
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kept her career on hold as far as music
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is concerned but now she's after
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becoming a star she's using it to her
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benefit. Got it. So on that note, what
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would be your advice for somebody who's
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you know wants to break in, has talent,
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has an idea but doesn't have the
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connections. What's the right way to
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approach? I think the best thing is
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that's what I'm trying to create now a
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media school that trains actually
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instead of going and it's a lie when
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people say that I'm worked under some
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somebody a director and I learned film
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direction from him. It it's a lie. You
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cannot teach warfare during battle.
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It's an interesting perspective. Yeah.
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You don't teach them stroke by stroke.
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You don't tell them how to defend. They
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just watch and pick it up. And that's
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dangerous.
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The best way is to learn in a ludos in a
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school for fighters. And that's what it
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should happen. My advice is that my
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career took a strange twist and turn and
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got me into the right spot. But um I I
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don't think that's a good example to
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follow because not all can be that lucky
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finding good teachers all the time.
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Right. For me, my teachers paid me
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instead of the other way around. Right.
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Right. They paid me and taught me and
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it's that that's not going to happen.
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That doesn't happen anymore. Right.
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So I think they should prepare
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themselves like it is serious business
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and they should prepare like any other
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cinematography or you can't just come in
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here and handle that camera right you
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have to know where the switches are what
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it does what what an aperture is what
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what happens when it when it becomes
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seamos right uh how it grabs light and
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what all you could do further what you
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can do on further
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Right? All that switch to digital red
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camera. You must know the earlier
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history of how we suffered and how this
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has gone even further ahead. All that is
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knowledge and study and that should be
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done. Even in acting, even in film
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production,
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carrying a bag bagload of money and
00:22:54
becoming a producer is no good. Right?
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That's what happened to India.
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And that's what went wrong. Now is a
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time where even the producers will have
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to be trained. Yeah. So Kaml, let's talk
00:23:07
a little bit about digital platforms and
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their relevance in India. So Netflix has
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entered India very recently. Uh in
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India, internet adoption is increasing,
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but at the same time, broadband speeds
00:23:18
aren't quite the same. What's your take
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on digital platforms for uh movie and
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related content? I've I've both cut my
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teeth and broken it on that platform in
00:23:29
the sense that uh I was the first man
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trying to attempting day and date
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release on a DTH platform. I see. And
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the whole industry came piling down on
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me.
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Yeah. Visharup. They banned the film.
00:23:45
They stopped the film. They did
00:23:47
everything possible. Then I had to wave
00:23:50
a white flag and said okay no DTH and
00:23:52
I'll come back to the theater which u
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which is okay I guess because but uh the
00:23:59
door is already open the ideas planted
00:24:03
you cannot stop technology it will come
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and uh it is the way to go I mean
00:24:09
Netflix is coming and
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uh YouTube all of them are coming in and
00:24:16
I'd like to explore them, work with them
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and that is the future because it
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convenience of the customer will
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uh garner more money right if you supply
00:24:30
to that need right and in fact these
00:24:33
platforms in the US have also made a new
00:24:35
kind of uh content possible uh so for
00:24:38
example Netflix has produced several
00:24:40
shows Amazon has produced YouTube has
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produced Netflix has had house of cards
00:24:44
which was a great success and many
00:24:46
others so is Is there a similar
00:24:48
opportunity in India where certain kinds
00:24:50
of films that have an audience but
00:24:52
perhaps are not meant to be large scale?
00:24:55
Not all satellite channels in India are
00:24:58
held by companies.
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Some are held by politicians.
00:25:05
So it's only a propaganda tool, news
00:25:09
propaganda and that's it. So they are
00:25:12
not looking at it as a great business
00:25:14
opportunity. The moment they do that, it
00:25:16
would be great. But you think it's on
00:25:19
the TV side, not so much Netflix and
00:25:21
YouTube doing that. No, but Netflix and
00:25:24
YouTube has a fantastic potential in uh
00:25:28
India. YouTube already is there, right?
00:25:31
And uh Netflix will come there and maybe
00:25:35
a few more they'll try and break into
00:25:39
the follow the pattern of success. But
00:25:43
that's that's the way to go and that's
00:25:45
because especially in a country where
00:25:47
there's no transparency in the box
00:25:49
office, right? So this will become a a
00:25:52
venue and I'm so happy to see the way
00:25:56
television in America is going because
00:25:59
it's not driven by
00:26:02
uh people who are only crunching
00:26:04
numbers, right? Somehow it's taking a
00:26:08
very intelligent turn. So you're hopeful
00:26:10
there could be a similar renaissance of
00:26:12
television in India as well. I hope so
00:26:14
because but they have I don't know it it
00:26:18
should have happened by now if we're
00:26:20
already late but I think it will
00:26:24
copy uh but these platforms are still
00:26:28
with or without television delivering uh
00:26:32
material direct to home
00:26:35
is going to work now direct to laptops
00:26:38
right and gadgets is going to be the way
00:26:43
and and the length of the film might
00:26:46
become extraordinarily long but
00:26:50
it'll become smaller
00:26:53
like serials right uh a 10-minut
00:26:58
short 10 the 20 minutes might soon
00:27:00
become 10 minutes and you'll do hundreds
00:27:03
of them so it'll become a thousand
00:27:05
minute show yeah yeah we've talked a
00:27:08
little bit about what has gone wrong and
00:27:09
what are the challenges Indian cinema
00:27:11
faces what in your mind is uh perhaps
00:27:15
the most important thing that other film
00:27:17
markets can learn from Indian cinema.
00:27:20
Oh, that is the ingenuity with making
00:27:23
films of whatever we have, right? Like
00:27:26
if I tell you the budget of uh wishup
00:27:29
Yes. Please tell us. Yeah. You you you
00:27:31
won't believe it because it it is a
00:27:34
little less than 10 million
00:27:37
and that includes my remineration which
00:27:38
is a big chunk. I see. Which means it's
00:27:41
10 million US. Yeah. Yeah. But you look
00:27:45
at the film budget movie, right? Yeah.
00:27:48
like it's a lot of uh special effects
00:27:50
and all that. If you want to pull off a
00:27:52
film like that in Hollywood, it'll cost
00:27:54
you 2025 million. Right. Right. And
00:27:57
we've done it at half the price and the
00:28:00
quality is not bad at all. You've seen
00:28:03
Hollywood films and we've seen Vish.
00:28:05
Yes, I've seen Vishar Rupam and clearly
00:28:07
in terms of the effects and all of that,
00:28:09
it it it's on par.
00:28:11
So that's that's and that's what we
00:28:14
shouldn't lose because our shaking hands
00:28:16
with Hollywood doesn't shouldn't grease
00:28:18
it with a lot of dollars right and make
00:28:21
us complacent. I think our quality comes
00:28:25
from our um
00:28:28
use of budget and working hard. Right?
00:28:32
So I think what they should learn from
00:28:35
Hollywood on the uh contrary for most of
00:28:38
the film making industry is the um prep
00:28:42
for a film. The way Hollywood preps is
00:28:45
astounding. I like it and it it it is
00:28:50
all uh there's no bragging element in
00:28:54
that. It's all necessary and the way
00:28:56
they do it and yes it looks a bit
00:29:00
flamboyant for people who are budget
00:29:02
conscious because as you say to develop
00:29:05
a movie to prep a movie so much money is
00:29:09
spent right and a Indian producer will
00:29:12
still not understand why that is so
00:29:15
important to spend money there right
00:29:18
now finally let me come back to where we
00:29:20
began which is your 55 year uh film
00:29:23
career After such an illustrous career,
00:29:26
what is there left for you to do in
00:29:28
cinema? What keeps you ticking within
00:29:30
the film world? Applause and money. So
00:29:33
you never get tired of it. No, no, not
00:29:35
not not of both.
00:29:38
But apart from that, there's a lot of
00:29:40
work to do as far as India is concerned.
00:29:42
As I told you, the media school itself
00:29:44
is a is a dream. And now we are writing
00:29:48
a script with American writers.
00:29:51
um my friend Charles Oliver and few
00:29:55
other writers are sitting together and
00:29:57
we're making a script in English.
00:30:02
Hopefully films like that would happen
00:30:06
more often and then we're talking. Well,
00:30:10
here's wishing you even more success.
00:30:11
Thank you so much for joining us here at
00:30:13
Thank you. Pleasure.
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