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Do Markets Overprice Disaster Risk?

June 29, 2015 / 07:15

This episode discusses the relationship between economywide disasters and asset prices, focusing on stock market volatility and investor behavior. Key topics include historical consumption disasters, the impact of risk on stock prices, and the implications for investors.

The guest explains how events like the Great Depression and post-World War II economic contractions have influenced stock market behavior. He emphasizes that fears of consumption disasters contribute to stock price volatility and high returns during stable periods.

He also addresses the common misconception that holding stocks guarantees returns, urging investors to consider the risks involved, especially when leveraging their investments.

Additionally, the conversation touches on the challenges regulators face in mitigating risks associated with rare economic disasters and the importance of understanding the limitations of traditional risk models.

Finally, the guest shares insights into his current research on the links between the macroeconomy, employment, and stock market trends, highlighting the need for confidence in economic stability when making investment decisions.

TLDR

The episode covers how economywide disasters affect stock prices and investor behavior, emphasizing risks and volatility in the market.

Episode

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So my research links economywide disasters to asset prices like stock prices for example. Um this is research
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that I along with others have been pursuing recently say it's it's really
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um taken off over the last five years and it's certainly gotten a boost from
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the financial crisis. uh and in this research um part of it draws on historical data on consumption
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disasters from the United States and from elsewhere in the world. An example of a consumption disaster is the Great
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Depression where consumption fell by 20%. Um but that's actually a relatively
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minor disaster. If you look at Europe, um after the Second World War, many countries had economies that contracted
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by as much as 50%. Um if stock prices fall in the event of a disaster then that is an important risk that investors
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take into account and that can explain why in normal times we have such high returns on stock prices which has long
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been a puzzle. It can also explain why stock prices are so volatile because this risk is hard to calculate and very
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hard to measure and as investors perceptions of it move around that can move around stock prices.
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So the first takeaway is that the world is risky that there are there are these risks for consumption disasters and they
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are that's reflected in stock prices and that's why we see such a high realized
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return during normal times when we don't have disasters. Also one of the reasons that
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stock returns are so volatile is because of these fears of a disaster. Now, you might think of these fears as
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overreaction because often the disaster doesn't happen. However, is it overreaction or do people really have a
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reason to be afraid? Certainly, in 2008, it seemed like we had a reason to be afraid. Well, stock market volatility
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has been a puzzle for a long time. So what surprised me is that when we put the um information this international
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data from disasters into a model that this really could explain the magnitudes of stock market volatility that we see.
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Part of it is investors risk aversion. So when you have numbers like even a small probability of a 50% decline or
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even a 20% decline that really influences investors behavior. Unfortunately, I think some people have
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a wishful thinking view of the stock market that if you just hold on long enough that you're guaranteed to get
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some of the high rates of return that we've measured over the post-war period,
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these rates of return being 12% that this is just something you're going to get if you keep holding stocks. Well,
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that may not be true. Now this is not a measure that investors shouldn't hold
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stocks. I I hold stocks and I think for investors who have positive net worth stocks are an important part of the
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portfolio. But in evaluating the risk they could go down and they might not come back
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up. So one of them is for investors that investors should be aware that stocks are risky um that and that the return is
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not guaranteed. What this means um is not that you shouldn't hold stocks. It's
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just that given that stocks might go down, holding stocks in say an environment where you also have leverage
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is is putting yourself under a certain amount of risk. Leverage could include um a mortgage. leverage might include a
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job employ or employment of some kind where your income is very much um subject to the stock market. Those might
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be reasons to limit the stock market part the stock part of your portfolio beyond what say just these wonderful
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expected returns would indicate. That's number one. Number two, these concerns about rare disasters
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have been part of what's been pricing stocks for a long time. And to me, that
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suggests caution on the part of regulators um because I think it's just going to be very hard to eliminate this
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risk. Part of what might be driving events like 2008 are fears about future growth
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prospects and those that those kind of fears are very hard to eliminate. So if you can't eliminate those fears, you can
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make the economy less risky by say um having less leverage on the part of financial
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institutions. People have been researching the stock market for a long time. What sets this
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line of research apart is the focus on these tail events. And um we don't assume for example that risk is normally
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distributed. Now that's a technical term. Um what the normal distribution apply implies is something called the
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bell curve. And the bell curve has thin tails for outcomes. So it basically means that risky things are unlikely to
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happen and it means that risk is very easily measured. So you can if you think that risk follows this bell curve, you
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can almost fool yourself into thinking that you've you understand everything
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about risk when in fact there are these rare events that are out there, not that
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far out there. They're still we see them in the Great Depression. Um but they can have an important part
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effect on stock prices if you introduce them into investors beliefs. I'm looking into links with the
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macroeconomy. Um so employment and unemployment is my um biggest focus right now. So, we're writing down a
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model that can explain why um unemployment and job vacancies are so volatile even though consumption itself
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is very smooth and why these things might track the stock market because recently they
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have tracked the stock market and a big part of it is like investing in the stock market. Investing in hiring is
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something where you need confidence that the economy is going to be stable going
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forward. If you lack that confidence, you don't want to put forth this investment.
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Episode Highlights

  • Understanding Stock Market Volatility
    Research links economic disasters to stock prices, explaining their volatility and high returns.
    “This really could explain the magnitudes of stock market volatility that we see.”
    @ 02m 16s
    June 29, 2015
  • The Risk of Stock Investments
    Investors must recognize that stock returns are not guaranteed and can be volatile.
    “Stocks are an important part of the portfolio, but they might not come back up.”
    @ 03m 17s
    June 29, 2015

Episode Quotes

  • The world is risky.
    Do Markets Overprice Disaster Risk?
  • Investors should be aware that stocks are risky.
    Do Markets Overprice Disaster Risk?
  • Stock returns are not guaranteed.
    Do Markets Overprice Disaster Risk?

Key Moments

  • Economic Disasters00:05
  • Stock Price Volatility01:26
  • Investor Caution04:31

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