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AI is shifting systems and industries, not just automating tasks.

February 11, 2025 / 01:06

This episode discusses automation versus augmentation, featuring insights from MIT economists Daron Acemoglu and David Autor, as well as researchers Tim Bresnahan, A.J. Agarwal, Avi Goldfarb, and Joshua Gans.

The conversation highlights two perspectives on job transformation: the task-based approach from Acemoglu and Autor, which views jobs as bundles of tasks that can be augmented or automated, and the systems-level approach from Bresnahan, Agarwal, Goldfarb, and Gans, which focuses on how large investments can reconfigure entire systems.

Listeners learn how these frameworks can help understand changes in labor and capital demands as companies adapt to new technologies and market conditions.

The discussion emphasizes the importance of tracking significant investments and changes within companies to grasp the evolving dynamics of supply and demand.

Overall, the episode presents a balanced view of the ongoing debate about the future of work in the context of technological advancements.

TL;DR

The episode compares task-based and systems-level perspectives on automation and job transformation.

Episode

1:06
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so there's two general perspectives out
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there that I think are useful for
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understanding how that automation versus
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augmentation debate might be going one
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comes from MIT economists donon asoglu
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and David otter it's the task-based
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approach we think of a job as a bundle
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of tasks and we can augment or automate
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these tasks within those bundles which
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will change the bundles over time
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another comes from Folks at University
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of Toronto and Stanford Tim bresnahan at
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Stanford A J agarwall Avi Goldfarb and
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Joshua Gans at University of Toronto
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arguing that the change actually happens
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at the system level so when there's
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enough of a big deal something to invest
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in something to change what we do is
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reconfigure the entire system and that
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new system has got different labor
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demands or different Capital demands so
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by tracking which companies are making
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large changes making big Investments
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then reconfiguring what they do we can
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start to understand how those new
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systems have different supply and demand
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Dynamics I think both of those
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Frameworks are useful for different
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kinds of questions though increasingly
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I'm becoming convinced that the systems
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view has more to say

Episode Highlights

  • Understanding Automation vs. Augmentation
    Exploring two perspectives on how automation and augmentation impact jobs and systems.
    “The systems view has more to say.”
    @ 01m 00s
    February 11, 2025

Episode Quotes

  • The systems view has more to say.
    AI is shifting systems and industries, not just automating tasks.

Key Moments

  • Automation Debate00:03
  • Task-Based Approach00:12
  • System Level Changes00:29
  • Reconfiguring Systems00:36

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