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Is Every Lie ‘a Sin’? Maybe Not

September 17, 2014 / 12:21

This episode discusses the relationship between honesty, deception, and benevolence in various contexts, including feedback delivery in workplaces and healthcare.

Guests discuss how traditional views on honesty and deception are challenged by new research. They argue that deception can sometimes be beneficial, especially when it helps others, and that honesty may not always be the best policy.

They present findings from experiments showing that people appreciate benevolent deception and that it can enhance trust. The conversation highlights the need for managers to balance honesty with kindness when providing feedback.

Specific examples from healthcare and education illustrate the practical implications of this research. The guests suggest that professionals should acknowledge the tension between honesty and benevolence in their interactions.

Ultimately, the episode encourages a reevaluation of codes of conduct and training programs to reflect the importance of benevolence alongside honesty.

TL;DR

This episode examines how benevolent deception can enhance trust and improve feedback in workplaces and healthcare.

Episode

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in our work our lives ethical on the
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tension benevolence and honesty what we
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do is we look at deception a little
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differently than people have in the past
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we look at deception that sometimes can
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be helpful to other people we typically
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think about deception as selfish
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deception so I lie to gain some
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advantage at the expense of somebody
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else and we typically think of honesty
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is something that might be costly to me
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but helpful to others
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in our research we actually disentangle
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those two things we think about
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deception that can help other people and
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honesty that might be helpful to myself
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and may be costly to somebody else we
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really do this we separate honesty and
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deception from pro-social and pro self
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interests what we do is we find that
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people actually don't care that much
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about deception we find that the
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aversion to lying when people say don't
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lie to me
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what they really mean is don't be really
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selfish
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broadly the advice on the table until
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now has been you know always be honest
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honesty is the best policy we're
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suggesting that maybe we had revised
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that advice and make the statement lie
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sometimes the key takeaway is to
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understand when we should lie when does
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honesty actually harm trust seem immoral
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and when does dishonesty
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when can deception actually breed trust
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and be seen as moral so we could think
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about how that might be used in
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delivering feedback because managers
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often have to balance this tension
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between benevolence giving kind
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supportive feedback and honesty giving
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critical harsh feedback so we might
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suggest that managers actually err on
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the side of benevolence if their goal is
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really to promote trust and
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relationships
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what surprised us was that when we
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really separated dishonesty from
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selfishness we found that what's driving
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all of this behavior what-what people
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judge me moral or immoral when people
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trust somebody or they don't trust
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somebody we find that what really
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matters is how kind how benevolent
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somebody is and that deception plays a
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very small role that is when we tell
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people never lie to me
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what we really mean is don't be selfish
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we studied this tension between
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benevolence and honesty using economic
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games we had people come to a lab and
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watch someone or interact with someone
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who had an opportunity to lie about the
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outcome of a coin flip or a die roll
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some objective fact in order to make
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money for their partner so they could
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lie and be dishonest in a way that would
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help a counterpart and then we had
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participants judge this dishonesty
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versus truth-telling which would harm
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the counterpart and we found that when
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participants are lied to in a way that
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helps them they actually really
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appreciate that dishonesty it boosts
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trust and it causes them to think that
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their counterpart is moral also when
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they simply observe somebody who's lying
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to help someone else to earn someone
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else more money they also trust this
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person more I think this person is more
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moral than someone who is just always
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honest
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we ran three different experiments in
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our paper our Liars ethical and each
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experiment had about 200 participants so
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each experiment builds on one another
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the the first one just looks at lying to
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help someone else first being honest
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which harms others and then the second
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experiment which had another 200
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participants looks at the effect of
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lying to help someone else even when it
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actually causes harm
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so we disentangle intentions from
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outcomes and then in our third
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experiment which again had another 200
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or so participants we start to
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disentangle the role of the effect of
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lying on the self verse the effect of
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lying on others
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we think about interacting with other
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people it could be our customers it
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could be subordinates we're giving
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people feedback or we might be
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explaining why we're terminating a
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contract the the interactions we have
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with other people are often influenced
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not just by brutal honesty that we want
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to communicate but also important
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concerns about demonstrating the care we
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have for other people when we for
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example tell a client that we're gonna
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go with a different vendor sometimes we
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want to phrase things in a way that is
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different from the complete unvarnished
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truth we find is that we often really
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care about the benevolence that people
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signal through their communication and
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that's often more important than the
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harsh and complete truth so the advice
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here is to think about ways in which we
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might balance these two things and our
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findings suggest we want to tilt toward
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benevolence and we often do this
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intuitively and one key takeaway here is
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some of the codes of conduct some of the
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exhortation --zz we tell people when we
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say that honesty is a supreme concern or
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all honesty is always the best policy
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but what we're finding is that that's
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not really what we mean
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they're really two key ideas that that
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we have about new ideas for implementing
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some of these findings why does it
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change codes of conduct that is when we
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talk about codes of conduct and we have
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honesty in there for the sake of
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hypocrisy I would take that out because
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it's not what we mean it's not what we
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do and second when we think about
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training we think about the rules that
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we implement when we interact with our
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colleagues at work and our external
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clients we don't always strive to be
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completely honest it's not a core value
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really and our argument is to be
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consistent both in the codes of conduct
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and the way we train and teach other
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people so we want to think about the
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demonstrating concern and other elements
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of morality they're going to be really
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important in guiding the institution so
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I think ultimately we can become more
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consistent and less hypocritical when we
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think about the role and this tension
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between honesty and benevolence and how
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we don't always mean that the complete
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truth is what we're after I think
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instead of saying we should always be
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honest with others we should think about
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always treating others the way we'd want
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to be treated
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we should think about creating a caring
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community and we should think about this
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tension that is as we as managers as
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executives we want to think about
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balancing this in our training programs
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and we deal with other people and
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explicitly acknowledge that we're making
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trade-offs between honesty and care for
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others that's the key idea
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there are a lot of domains in which
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individuals face this conflict between
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honesty and benevolence very very
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intensely one examples in healthcare
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right so doctors frequently have to
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deliver very negative news to patients
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and actually prior research has found
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that oftentimes doctors do lie they
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inflate the positivity of these
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prognosis and we we seem to think this
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is bad and we and I think doctors feel a
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lot of tension and conflict around how
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to handle this situation but our
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research suggests that perhaps doctors
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and maybe teachers and parents should be
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explicitly acknowledging this tension
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and this trade-off and thinking about
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and talking about how to navigate it
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when might benevolence and kindness and
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maybe a little dishonesty be right or be
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appreciated and how could that enhance
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you know the delivery of medicine
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another case where we manage this
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balance between being completely honest
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and managing being benevolent is when we
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interact with children this is true as
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parents and it's also true as educators
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so teachers will need to give feedback
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to students and they have to balance
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this tension between being completely
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candid and being benevolent and kind
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demonstrating kindness and concern for
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the child as parents we frequently tell
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our kids never lie but that's not all
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what we mean for example before we go
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over to Grandma's house we might tell
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them say you remember thank grandma for
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that sweater and tell her how much you
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liked it even though we both know you
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never wear it
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for centuries we've been talking about
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honesty as a virtue and dishonesty as a
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vice so that's an idea that's been
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around in philosophy for centuries
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starting with Immanuel Contin actually
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before that but also empirically there's
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a wealth of research on deception
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documenting that deception harms trust
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that deception makes us angry the
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deception is immoral but these studies
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have really just looked at selfish
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deception it's the lies that we tell
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that hurt others and help ourselves
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we're trying to overturn this idea
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because we find that when we actually
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disentangle deception from selfishness
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people don't care all that much about
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dishonesty per se they really care about
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helping others so I think this the sheds
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new light on this idea that deception is
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bad
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prior work that studied deception has
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really confounded deception with
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selfishness what we know about deception
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is really we know about selfish
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deception and our work separates this
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out so we can actually learn about
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deception per se and we find is that the
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way we feel about deception itself is
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actually not all that bad and it
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challenges this enormous body of
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research that's made these broad claims
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about what deception does or doesn't do
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really what we know is what deception
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that selfish does or doesn't do
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so I'm really excited to look at the
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effects of pro-social lying how this
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tension between benevolence and honesty
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plays out in the feedback process how
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does it affect performance and how does
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it affect relationships when we give
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feedback I mean so a lot of people they
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might say that honesty is the way we
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improve honesty is important to get
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accurate feedback to become better you
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know employees better students but it's
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very possible that we need benevolence
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we need kindness sometimes we need
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dishonesty to be given the confidence to
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improve so benevolence and honesty don't
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only have effects on trust and character
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perceptions but might actually affect
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performance in organizations so I'm
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excited to take a look at that next
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you

Episode Highlights

  • Rethinking Honesty
    Challenging the notion that honesty is always the best policy in favor of benevolence.
    “Honesty is the best policy, but maybe we should revise that advice.”
    @ 01m 16s
    September 17, 2014
  • The Ethics of Deception
    Exploring how deception can sometimes be beneficial and promote trust, rather than harm it.
    “Deception can actually breed trust and be seen as moral.”
    @ 01m 38s
    September 17, 2014

Episode Quotes

  • Honesty is the best policy, but maybe we should revise that advice.
    Is Every Lie ‘a Sin’? Maybe Not
  • Deception can actually breed trust and be seen as moral.
    Is Every Lie ‘a Sin’? Maybe Not
  • We often care more about benevolence than the harsh truth.
    Is Every Lie ‘a Sin’? Maybe Not

Key Moments

  • Deception vs. Honesty00:04
  • Benevolence Matters05:13
  • Ethical Dilemmas07:42

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