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What Is Art? Surprisingly, the Crowdfunders and Experts Agree

May 21, 2015 / 05:27

This episode discusses the impact of crowdfunding on the arts, specifically comparing Kickstarter funding to traditional funding from the National Endowment for the Arts. The conversation features Ramen Ananda, a Harvard Business School professor, who collaborates on research evaluating the effectiveness of crowd-funded projects.

The discussion highlights findings that crowd-funded projects often align with expert opinions, but the crowd tends to support a wider variety of artistic endeavors. Ananda explains that while crowd-funded projects may have a higher failure rate, they also have the potential for significant success, such as winning prestigious theater awards.

The episode contrasts two historical perspectives on crowd behavior: the idea of the "Madness of Crowds" and the "Wisdom of Crowds." Ananda argues that their research supports the notion of crowds being wise, particularly in the subjective field of theater.

Furthermore, the conversation touches on the democratization of art funding and the role of online communities in decision-making processes, suggesting that crowds can lower barriers to access in various specialized fields.

Finally, Ananda expresses interest in further exploring how internet communities function and their potential to replace traditional expert judgments in various domains.

TL;DR

Crowdfunding in the arts shows crowds can wisely fund diverse projects, often succeeding where experts hesitate.

Episode

5:27
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this paper wisdom and Madness is
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actually about trying to resolve an
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interesting puzzle that's happened
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recently which is as of about 2012
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According to some measures more money
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goes to the Arts through Kickstarter the
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crowdfunding site than the National
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Endowment of the Arts the major
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government organization that gives money
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to the Arts so this sort of raised the
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big question what does that mean right
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does that mean we get more good art more
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bad art uh does more or get funded what
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happens when you switch from a pure
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expert based system to also having
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crowds
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involved this paper with Ramen Ananda
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who's a business school professor at
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Harvard Business School and he and I
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work to get a group of professional
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judges people who judged things like the
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National Endowment of the Arts or who
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acted as expert critics or helped judge
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prestigious theater Awards and we asked
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them to evaluate Kickstarter projects to
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see whether or not their agreement would
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agree with the ones that were funded by
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the crowd and what we found were a few
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interesting things first of all that the
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crowd and experts generally agreed so we
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thought at first there might be a big
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gap between what the experts liked and
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what the crowd liked it turns out there
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wasn't they were very similar and where
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they disagreed with each other the vast
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majority of the times it was because the
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crowd was willing to fund projects that
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the experts were not a willing to so the
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crowd actually funded more art and had a
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lower threshold and when we actually
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followed up what happened to these
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projects afterwards it appeared that
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projects funded by the crowd were
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slightly more likely to fail but we also
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appeared to be more likely to actually
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achieve giant success so winning
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prestigious theater Awards running off
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Broadway so the crowd actually seemed to
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do a pretty good job of selecting High
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variance projects those had succeeded by
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a large amount or else
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failed when I think about what we were
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trying to kind of measure here it was
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really answering a question that was
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posed by two books that were published
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100 years apart so in the 1800s there
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was a book called uh The Madness of
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crowds delusions of The Madness of
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crowds and that tried to look at things
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like tulip Mania in Holland or Ponzi
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schemes and trying to understand why
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crowds were so often crazy in 2004 James
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swii published a book called uh the
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wisdom of crowds all about how crowd
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markets are smarter than individuals and
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how we should do kind of group-based
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decision- making and this is two really
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interesting ideas contrasting with each
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other on one hand you have crowds are
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inherently crazy right and they they
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suffer from Madness they run after
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interesting ideas and in theater you
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might think of that and some of our
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experts did think this would Happ happen
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would would be that the crowd would tend
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to fund musicals about happy internet
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dancing cats right uh or about bacon
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kinds of things the internet likes right
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on the other hand you have this idea
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that crowds are actually wise that
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collectively they're actually smarter
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than individuals and they make great
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decisions and often better decisions
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than experts so what I think was
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interesting to us was that we found a
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lot more support for the wise crowd than
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the Mad crowd even in this area which is
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so subjective like theater
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more and more decisions that used to be
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in the hands of experts are also being
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put in the hands of Internet online
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communities so you could think about
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crowdfunding and how it's replacing
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expert judgment in theater or how it's
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replacing venture capital in some cases
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there's the idea of crowd science um the
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crowd sourcing so there's a whole bunch
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of things that we used to do as experts
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and now we throw to communities to help
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us solve and we don't know a lot about
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when communities are better than experts
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and when they're the same and I think
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one of the interesting findings here is
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even in this very subjective field of
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theater where you'd really expect a huge
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High culture low culture difference
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right so the things that a theater snob
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would like would be very different than
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what the mass Market would like even in
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this case it seems like the crowd has
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value in adding to decisions it helps
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actually lower barriers and democratize
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access so I think that's a really
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important point that would probably
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apply even more in other specialized
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Fields so what's actually interesting is
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despite the sort of famous book on the
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wisdom of crowds most of the work on why
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Crowds Are smart or not has tended to
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kind of revolve around um expert markets
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where you have experts making decisions
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and there's been some really interesting
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work by Shane Greenstein and others
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looking at things like Wikipedia and
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finding that Wikipedia is smart but it's
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a remarkably under kind of researched
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field and so uh crowdfunding is
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relatively new there's relatively little
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work on that and this whole idea of
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testing wisdom Madness is relatively
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novel so I think it's a a first step to
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trying to understand this increasingly
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important phenomenon
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so I'm really interested in crowds in
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general and how internet communities
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operate how we can make them work better
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what uh expert and standard
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organizations can they substitute for
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and I think we have a huge amount of
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questions right the internet is a
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relatively new phenomenon in academic
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terms uh we're still kind of grappling
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with what does it do what does it enable
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that we couldn't do before how could
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companies use it how can governments use
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it how can individuals participate in
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these environments in a way to make a
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difference how do we stop negative
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behavior there's a huge amount of
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interesting questions and I'm really
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excited to try and dig into
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[Music]

Episode Highlights

  • Expert vs. Crowd Decisions
    The study reveals that crowds and experts often agree on art projects, but crowds take more risks.
    “The crowd was willing to fund projects that experts were not.”
    @ 01m 17s
    May 21, 2015
  • Crowdfunding's Impact on Art
    Crowdfunding is changing how art is funded, often leading to more diverse projects.
    “The crowd funded more art and had a lower threshold.”
    @ 01m 21s
    May 21, 2015
  • Wisdom vs. Madness of Crowds
    Exploring the contrasting ideas of crowd intelligence and madness in art funding.
    “Crowds are inherently crazy... or are they wiser?”
    @ 02m 18s
    May 21, 2015

Episode Quotes

  • What does that mean right?
    What Is Art? Surprisingly, the Crowdfunders and Experts Agree
  • The crowd actually seemed to do a pretty good job of selecting high variance projects.
    What Is Art? Surprisingly, the Crowdfunders and Experts Agree
  • Crowds are actually wiser than we think.
    What Is Art? Surprisingly, the Crowdfunders and Experts Agree
  • The crowd has value in adding to decisions.
    What Is Art? Surprisingly, the Crowdfunders and Experts Agree

Key Moments

  • Crowdfunding Rise00:15
  • Expert Agreement01:07
  • High Variance Success01:39
  • Wisdom of Crowds02:52
  • Democratizing Access03:46
  • Questions of the Internet04:44

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