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Immigration Reform Policy Simulator Overview

June 29, 2016 / 07:28

This episode discusses the new immigration reform policy simulator developed by the Penn Wharton Budget Model group, focusing on its features and implications.

Professor Kent Smithers explains how the simulator allows users to explore various immigration policy combinations, including increasing legal immigration, changing the composition of immigrants, and the effects of deportation.

Key topics include the current net legal immigration rate of 800,000 people per year, the potential impact of increasing this number by 25 percent, and the effects on GDP and job creation.

Smithers also addresses the consequences of legalizing unauthorized immigrants and the surprising results that show a slight decrease in jobs, while GDP remains largely unchanged.

The episode concludes by highlighting the simulator's capability to test 125 different policy combinations, encouraging listeners to engage with the tool to form their own conclusions.

TLDR

The episode covers a new immigration policy simulator and its impact on jobs and GDP.

Episode

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hi I'm Kent Smithers a professor here at the Wharton School and now I'm going to
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give you a quick overview of the new immigration reform policy simulator it's
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available to Penn Wharton budget model group notice that you have several different graphs that you can look at
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things like total population size and number of jobs the old-age dependency ratio that's very useful for things like
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understanding how many young people that we have / older retiree and then of course gross domestic product GDP that
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people often care about so now let's consider different policy combinations each one a dial control here has five
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selections and we have three policies altogether so that's a hundred twenty five different policy combinations that
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you can get and see yourself for each policy combination you know the actual simulation model takes several hours to
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run in the case of immigration but we use advances in cloud computing to give you instant feedback on the results
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because we pre computed everything for you all right let's go through the different policies let's think about
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increasing the net amount of legal immigration right now from this tool tip you can see that net legal immigration
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to the United States currently amounts about 800,000 people per year and some of the policy ideas out there is to
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maybe increase that maybe twenty five percent a year and not so surprisingly population goes up total number jobs are
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going to go up and GDP is also improved because of more workers in the economy and the old-age dependency ratio is
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slightly improved as well in particular we're going to have a fewer older people
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per worker because immigrants are coming in typically during working age and we are able track that fairly precisely
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using census level data alright let's talk about some other potential changes
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here and the first one is or the second one sorry is changing now the composition of the net legal immigration
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right now as you can even those tooltip about thirty five percent of the US adult legal immigrants
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have a bachelor's or advanced degree so the idea here is that we can now increase that percentage without
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actually in painting they eat hundred thousand a number of legal immigration immigrants per year and so we can look
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at a couple things like you know what happens to GDP here if suppose we go from thirty five percent to fifty five
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percent and now that's a slight positive it's not huge and it's true that this
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the values here are in trillions of dollars but you can move your mouse over and see the actual numbers or if you
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want to you can always zoom in in a particular set of years and get even more precision there if you if you'd
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like and in particular the blue line is the current policy the red line is the effects of the new policy and the reason
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why it's it's not a big impact is that legal immigration flow at eight hundred
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thousand per year is not that large of a fraction of the US population workforce
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and so going from thirty five percent to fifty five percent of being college-educated it's only going to add
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around 160,000 college graduates per year and that's only about one half of one percent of all college educated
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worker workers in the economy and so it doesn't have a tremendously large impact
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all right now let's look at a couple other policies and the one is to potentially increase deportation of a
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unauthorized immigrants so now we're really shifting from legal status to unauthorized immigrants and the other
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one is to offer legal status just the opposite to unauthorized immigrants we can see from the tool tip that there's
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about 11.3 million unauthorized immigrants in the United States and so if you choose to go say this direction
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of legalization is the same we're going to be legalized in a roughly around ten
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percent per year so within a decade will have legalized everyone and so let's
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look at the impact on jobs and this may be a surprising to a lot of people as we
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legalize and notice jobs actually slightly go down it's a huge change but it does it's actually legalization
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actually leads to fewer I jobs again not a big change but it is technically negative and the intuition there is that
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if you're currently unauthorized you pretty much have to work and in order to
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survive and so unauthorized workers actually have a higher labor force attachment rate or participation rate
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than those that are authorized authorized workers are able to now go to school and therefore not be in the
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workforce for a period they're able to look for a better job a more appropriate
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job because they can qualify for unemployment insurance things like that and so that tends to reduce jobs to the
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impact on GDP is basically a wash there's no particular theoretical reason this would be the case but in terms of
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the art rather detailed calculations it's basically a wash and it has almost
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no impact on GDP and the intuition there is that even though the number of jobs has gone down a little bit the once you
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are converted to legal status again you're able to go to school you're able
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to get more productivity and so as a result of that the impact on GDP is next to nothing now let's think about what
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happens when we go the opposite direction where we start deporting it's a ten percent per year within a decade
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everybody would be all the unauthorized illegal immigrants would be deported now
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notice the impact unemployment is now much more negative and the the reason behind that is that we're losing people
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it's like a hundred percent detachment now for the workforce for unauthorized
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immigrants in the the native-born participation rate in the labor market cannot possibly rise enough to meet that
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that gap that or that reduction the number of jobs and GDP also goes down are pretty substantially you can see by
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within by 2035 close to the trillion dollars reduction in GDP and so you know both these
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policies have been kind of advocated on both sides of saying that they're going
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to increase the number of jobs or increase GDP in fact neither policy I works in the way that it's often then
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presented and so you can try many other combinations yourself again you have about 125 different combinations to
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choose from and again many combinations I've explored myself so try they try it
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yourself and it make up your own mind thank you

Episode Highlights

  • Immigration Policy Simulator Overview
    Kent Smithers introduces a new simulator for exploring immigration reform policies.
    @ 00m 07s
    June 29, 2016
  • Impact of Legal Immigration Increase
    Increasing legal immigration by 25% improves jobs and GDP, but the effect is modest.
    “Population goes up, total number of jobs are going to go up.”
    @ 01m 39s
    June 29, 2016
  • Legalization vs. Deportation Effects
    Legalizing unauthorized immigrants may slightly reduce jobs, while deportation has a significant negative impact.
    “Legalization actually leads to fewer jobs.”
    @ 04m 41s
    June 29, 2016

Episode Quotes

  • Neither policy works in the way it's often presented.
    Immigration Reform Policy Simulator Overview

Key Moments

  • Introduction00:07
  • Policy Combinations00:44
  • Legal Immigration Increase01:18
  • Deportation Policy03:56
  • Legalization Impact04:23

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