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Something else about the curling point
that I wanted to make was that a lot of brands also try to cozy up to
those sports and those moments,
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without paying for Olympic
sponsorship, via social media. So I know you're talking about curling,
so I can make this meme about curling that
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somehow relates to my soap brand or my
water bottle brand or whatever, and kind of hijack that moment to draw
some attention to my brand.
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But what's interesting is, though,
that with— you use the example of Nike earlier. Nike obviously is a shoe
brand, or it's an athletic brand.
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But you see, especially in the Summer
Olympics, athletes wearing Nike spikes if they're running on the track. They're not
paying for the USA sponsorship,
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but they have the
benefit of having that athlete kind of on retainer
as one of their own.
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- Welcome to <i>The Ripple
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The world of advertising is a very busy
space during the month of February. Usually it's because of the Super Bowl.
But it is multiplied this year because not
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only do you have the big game, as you have
to use it in most cases, but you also have
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the Winter Olympics this go round,
which is, of course, a two-week-long opportunity not only
for athletes, but also for
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companies to try and gain
the attention of the consumer. But how do companies prepare for
such an event?
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Pleasure to be joined by
Annie Wilson, who's a senior lecturer in marketing here
at the Wharton School.
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Annie, great to talk to you today.
How are you? I'm good.
Thanks so much for having me.
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So let me start there, because it is
interesting that— how do you think about the difference between how
companies will prepare for a Super
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Bowl in comparison to preparing
for something like the Olympics? Yeah, it's a— it's an interesting
comparison.
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I think it also— there's a difference
between Summer and Winter Olympic Games,
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but obviously the Winter
Olympic Games are going to be the ones that overlap with the
Super Bowl in terms of timing.
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I think with the Super Bowl,
there's a heavier emphasis on trying to capture that spike
of attention and excitement.
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And so you see, like, a greater use of
humor, for example. And also trying to create hype around the
ad that's going to come out,
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and then get people to
talk about it afterward. With the Olympics, it's obviously a longer
moment in time.
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It's several weeks. And there's a lot of— a
long tail of lead up that allows for,
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I think, more involved storytelling. And so you see more kind of long-running
campaigns around the Olympics in terms of
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trying to appear endemic in the sports
world, or show up as a global brand. And around the Super Bowl, it's really
trying to capture that really small moment
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of lightning in a bottle where everybody's
eyes are on the ads in this game.
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Both events have corporate partners,
but it feels like when you watch the Olympics, there is more
emphasis on mentioning that X
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company is a global partner
or corporate partner of the U.S. Olympic Federation.
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Yes, that's definitely true. And the Olympics is very protective of the
Olympics IP and the rings and who can
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claim to be a sponsor and use what
intellectual property and imagery. What I think is interesting
is when brands actually
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engage in ambush marketing
around the Olympics. So they show up really heavily, but
they're not actually official sponsors.
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Nike did this pretty famously in the '90s
in Atlanta. Beats by Dre did it pretty famously in
London in 2012.
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And so, yes, you see this use
of these global partners and what they're trying to do is
show, "We're a global brand.
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So we're for everybody." That gives you some prestige
and some— you know, a bit of
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an edge from a brand equity
perspective, on the global stage. But it is really a small
handful of brands that get
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to officially claim their
partnership with the Olympics. So when you're watching the Super Bowl,
one of the things that we've seen over the
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years is the want, in many cases,
to tell a story. And in some cases, you'll see a company
might have two spots or three commercials
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in the Super Bowl so that they can tell
that story over a period of time. I don't think we see that as much during
the Olympics, right?
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It's really about delivering that message,
whether it be the connection to U.S.
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Olympic team or the connection
to the United States or kind of that feel good message that
the company wants to deliver.
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Yeah, I would say that that feels
generally true. There's also a lot of, on
the Olympic stage, getting
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your brand to show up from
an awareness perspective. So I just want my logo to show up
somewhere.
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I want to be associated with the Games. I do think, though, what I've observed,
at least anecdotally, is in the Olympics,
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there's a lot more of piggybacking
off of the existing stories of the Olympians, or the
teams. Versus in the Super Bowl,
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there's more telling brand-originating
stories, because I can make up a number of
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theories as to why you might not do that
so much in the Super Bowl. But the storytelling is more contained to
the brand, rather than the existing
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narratives around the
athletes like Phelps or the gymnastics team or
whomever they're talking about.
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So you mentioned earlier, Summer versus
Winter Olympics. Are there dynamics that are different in
how companies think about the marketing or
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the advertising that they might do in each
one of those different events? Yeah. So generally, the Summer Olympics
tends to have a broader audience base.
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Obviously, it takes place in a warmer
climate, it's warmer games. And so how brands show
up is a little bit different
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in terms of the mood
from that perspective. For the Winter Olympics, it tends to be a
smaller audience, but a more premium
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audience, particularly in the US and
Europe. It's usually a more affluent audience.
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So you get some more prestige brands for
that reason. And there's a little bit of a greater
focus on performance technology from
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brands in the Winter Games, given the
different sports that they're engaging in.
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Yeah, so those would be the big
differences. But still, both Games have their marquee
moments that the brands want to get in on.
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And so does the event that maybe the
company wants to advertise around, whether it be downhill
skiing or hockey,
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does that matter and
come into their thinking? And I say that because in the last couple
of Olympics, curling has become this
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unbelievably loved sport here in the
United States. And it feels like more people talk about
curling, at least in this two-week window,
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than we've ever seen. Yeah. I think what's interesting about how
you just put that, though, is how much
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they talk about in this two-week window,
because it's also, how much do you talk
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about it outside of this two-week window
is worth noting. Certainly brands try to cozy up to
particular sports.
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And that can help if you
have an audience of people who care about that sport
and want to talk about it.
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Now, if you made yourself the official
whatever of curling, how much does that get people to want to be associated with
it?
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It's not— at least in the US, it's not
totally clear how valuable that would be,
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other than just showing
up and being kind of visible in the space as
people are watching it.
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There's also the attachment to
the USA brand. And obviously, you know, when you're
watching the Olympics, there's such a kind
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of a national connection that
many people have when they're watching a US athlete
compete in some sort of event.
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How important is that for the company when
they're thinking about making that
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investment, to realize that part of this is
showing that their brand is connected more
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so to the country than maybe
some of their rivals? Yeah, I think that's really important.
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And you see that particularly in the
uniforms, like with Ralph Lauren, for example, or Lululemon in the Canadian
uniforms, of wanting to be associated with
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the national brand and supporting the
athletes of the nation. I think what's really fascinating
is how much more patriotic
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the Super Bowl seems to
have become in recent years. I think, like, Budweiser's ad, for example,
in the most recent Super Bowl, of the
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Clydesdale, that then has the bald eagle
on its back and is, like, raising it. It was very notably patriotic,
I thought, more than past Super Bowls,
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which— you know, there's obviously a lot
of political discourse around the advertisers and the halftime show and
decisions around the games this year.
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So it's interesting to me that that has
actually become, to me, a little bigger
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emphasis on the nation versus being a
global brand. Something else about the curling point
that I wanted to make was that a lot of
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brands also try to cozy up to
those sports in those moments without paying for Olympic
sponsorship, via social media.
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So I know you're talking about curling,
so I can make this meme about curling that
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somehow relates to my soap brand or my
water bottle brand or whatever, and kind of hijack that moment to draw
some attention to my brand.
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But what's interesting is, though,
that with— you used the example of Nike earlier. Nike, obviously, is a shoe
brand, or it's an athletic brand,
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but you see, especially in
the Summer Olympics, athletes wearing, you know, Nike spikes if
they're running on the track.
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They're not paying for the USA
sponsorship, but they have the benefit of having that athlete kind of on retainer as
one of their own.
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And so they're getting
the advertising without really even having to
foot that extra bill as well.
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Oh, absolutely. And brands that are smart about it—
I'm thinking about like Brooks Running
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from the most recent Summer Games,
capitalizing on their world champion runners of using that
imagery that they capture in the
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Olympics and then putting
it in their ads later, too. So they can actually bring
that sponsorship forward
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and kind of milk it for
a longer period of time. Sponsoring the individual athletes is
certainly, like, a way to get in on the Games.
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I think what's interesting now,
too, is how brands are showing up more during the Games in a way that used to be
very unsavory.
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So Samsung, in the last Summer Games,
the athletes were taking selfies on the medal stand with their Samsung phones.
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That was a sacred place for many years,
being on the medal stand. And now you have Simone Biles with a
Samsung phone taking a selfie. It's—
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I think brands are
showing up more with the athletes actually holding
and using their goods.
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How much of a challenge is it for a brand,
and I'll say maybe for a newer brand like
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On Cloud, to try and get as much publicity
as they can around an event like Olympics,
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especially when they are going up against
the likes of Nike, Adidas, Brooks, New Balance, so many other
of the more established brands
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that have been around for
such a long period of time? Yeah, I think that's, again, being smart
on your sponsorships.
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I mean, especially with On Cloud,
for example, just having Federer has been huge for them. That they can have the
cloud of one or a handful of athletes that
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can really drive that brand awareness and
that brand love forward. I think, again, that's a great time to use
really scrappy ambush marketing.
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Like, maybe you can't afford to be
on the medal stand or to have that prime time slot.
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So where else can you show up? And I think that's where you see a lot of
advertisers just getting creative with
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guerrilla marketing and using out-of-home
marketing geographically near where Games
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are happening. Showing
up on the athletes in some way, in a way
that appears very natural.
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I think brands are getting really creative
with that because they have to, because they don't have the budget to
outspend the Nikes and the Visas of the world.
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But usually when you're talking about
doing a Super Bowl ad or an ad in another
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big event like the Olympics, most cases—
and correct me if I'm wrong— this is part
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of some sort of campaign where some of
this will end up being kind of on the ground, boots on the
ground, where you'll have
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your brand being
marketed at different venues. Does that occur as much at the Olympics as,
say, it may at a Super Bowl or at a World
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Series or the NCAA tournament,
for example? Yeah. I would argue in some ways it may
occur more at the Olympics from the
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perspective of these
kind of— creating the foundations for these
long-running campaigns.
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And I'm thinking about how using the
Olympics can get you associated with certain adjectives around performance and
national pride and resilience and,
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you know, any of the underdogs. And so I'm even thinking about like
Procter & Gamble's "Thank You Moms,"
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that has run for quite a while around the Games, of using that as
an opportunity
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for storytelling that lives
beyond the Games. The Super Bowl, I mean, also often can be
the beginning or the climax of campaigns.
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CeraVe, last year at the Super Bowl, was a
great example of using the game as the
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climax of their Michael Cera campaign, or
the beginning of a new campaign. But in a lot of ways, it serves as this,
like, spike moment.
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And so you do also see in the Super Bowl,
you create ads that can stand alone for
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the brand. That contain
the whole story or the whole moment, so that we've
all seen it and remember it.
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And I don't need to know everything else
before and after it to appreciate it.
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So we also have a Summer Olympics here in
the United States in Los Angeles in 2028.
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I assume that companies are already
thinking about their plans and their ideas of what they're going to do during the
Olympics in '28.
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Or if they want to be a part of
that right now. I would hope so. Because you do need to plan pretty far in
advance.
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I'm not sure when the Games or the
broadcasters actually open the window to sell the the various spaces in real
estate.
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Typically, you have a pretty long runway
of what you're planning for in terms of
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what you're going to run and the assets
you're going to use. And then also, typically, the media
companies hold back a little bit of real
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estate so they can sell some stuff at a
premium and a scramble for those who didn't get in and maybe want to get in
last minute.
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And that drives more money for the media
companies. Maximizing profits. Yep.
I've seen it a lot.
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Yes, exactly. Annie, a pleasure to talk to you. Enjoy the Games. Thanks very much for your time today.
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Thanks so much. Thank you. Annie Wilson, who is a Senior Lecturer in
Marketing here at the Wharton School.
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