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Scott Sonenshein on Unlocking the Power of Less

March 17, 2017 / 15:24

This episode features Scott Simon Chine discussing his book "Stretch" and the concept of resourcefulness in organizational behavior. Key topics include the psychology of resourcefulness, the difference between chasing and stretching resources, and the impact of ownership on creativity.

Scott shares his personal journey from working in Washington DC to Silicon Valley, highlighting how the focus on acquiring resources can detract from achieving true satisfaction. He emphasizes that success is not solely about having more but about creatively utilizing what one already possesses.

Through various examples, including a story about a successful retail employee who repurposed unsold dresses, Scott illustrates how embracing a mindset of stretching can lead to innovative solutions. He also discusses the importance of ownership and how it can unlock creativity in problem-solving.

Scott concludes by urging listeners to reflect on their own resourcefulness and consider how they can better use their existing resources to achieve their goals.

TL;DR

Scott Simon Chine discusses resourcefulness and creativity in his book "Stretch," emphasizing the importance of using existing resources effectively.

Episode

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[Music]
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thank you again to Adam and for putting
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on this event I'm really honored to be
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able to speak to you today about stretch
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my name is Scott Simon chine and I'm not
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just the author of stretch but I'm also
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a professor of organizational behavior
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at Rice
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now before I got into academia when I
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was around the age of many of you in
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this room I was working my first job in
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Washington DC and I got a phone call out
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of the blue from a recruiter and the
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recruiter said come to Silicon Valley
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there's lots of excitement here we'll
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pay you a lot more money we'll give you
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a lot of stock options well feed your
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breakfast lunch and dinner every day
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this is a job you should be taking so
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three weeks later I left family and
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friends and I took the job I never
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really reflected on why I was taking the
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job and of course when I got there
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there's also some rather bizarre
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behavior too because the way that
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organizations were judging their success
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was very much about what type of
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resources they were getting how much
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venture capital Oh could they raise how
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many new employees would come in each
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week how many customers could they get
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notwithstanding if even these customers
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are actually profitable if any of you
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remember pets.com of course that was the
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poster child of the dot-com era so I got
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me starting to think about some of these
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behaviors where we're so focused on our
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lives around chasing resources because
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we developed this dependence that we
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think in norther to find success and
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satisfaction we need more resources and
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we orient all of our energy in all of
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our efforts to trying to get more
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resources as opposed to doing more and
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oftentimes that's because we think that
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is the only pathway to success and
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satisfaction so that started getting me
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thinking and I've been doing research
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ever since about well what might be an
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alternative way of doing this and that
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led me to the idea of stretching which
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is a simple but powerful shift and how
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we think about resources everything from
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time money relationship connections
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knowledge it's not so much what we have
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it's how do we use those resources how
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can we be more creative in using what we
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have
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so there's some important differences in
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how our mindset approaches resources
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when we are stretching we believe that
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any resource is changeable so we're
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trying to get a picture hung on the wall
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and we don't have a hammer
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we don't give second thought we just
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take the shoe off of our foot and we we
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get the job done when we're chasing we
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got to find that hammer we got this
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search and search for it if we don't
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have it we're gonna go out and get it
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when we're stretching our whole focus is
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on how do we expand what we have to do
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more with it how might we take what we
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know in one context and put it in
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another context as opposed to when we're
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chasing it's all about what we're going
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to do to acquire the next thing because
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unless we require that next thing we
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can't actually do more we can't take
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ourselves to the next level we can't
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become happier if we don't have it and
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often what's driving this chasing
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behaviors what psychologists call social
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comparisons we look around other friends
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or colleagues or neighbors and we see
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what they have and we think we need the
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same in order to find that success in
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satisfaction but what's lost in this
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whole process are the goals that we have
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whether the inward goals that we're
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actually trying to accomplish for most
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people it really isn't just about giving
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more resources those are usually and
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those are usually means to a certain
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ends but we lose sight of whether actual
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goals are when we're chasing so
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stretching is the psychology of
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resourcefulness and helping teach us
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what we can do better with what we have
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but when we think of resourcefulness we
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usually think of something that's used
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for those in less fortunate
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circumstances so it could be for the
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poor or maybe someone who had just come
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to this country and doesn't know a lot
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of people or have a lot of money
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well my challenge in the book is really
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about how do we embrace the same
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psychology of resourcefulness because if
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you look at the history of many
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successful people who have also found
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satisfaction in their lives they started
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off resourceful they started off with
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not a lot and then the challenge is how
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do we maintain this type of mindset as
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we find ourselves with access to more
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and more resources can we maintain that
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scrappiness the same thing with
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organizations we have the classic garage
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startup but those organizations grow
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they want to show their success so they
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tend to change the way that they they do
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business so what I'd like to convince
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you of
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is there are there are times where if we
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embrace less we can actually end up
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doing more in the same notion of
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resourcefulness that fuels a lot of
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success in satisfaction really in our
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careers when their backs are against the
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wall can help bring us success as we
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move forward so the first thing is to
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own it now ownership is not a word that
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you think would describe a retail
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employee who barely makes above minimum
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wage but what I learned in my research
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is that it has a profound impact on the
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way that people approach their resources
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and I'll tell you an example I was doing
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a study of a chain of women's fashion
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boutiques and I went to the most
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successful store in this chain and to
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the most successful employee in this
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company and I said tell me how you do it
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or would he do this he gave me an
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example he told me about this time where
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he had a whole host of dresses that
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weren't selling he quite frankly
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described them as a piece of crap I mean
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they were falling off the hanger no one
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wanted to buy them so what he did is
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rather remarkable he took a pair of
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scissors and he cut the straps off and
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he rolled up the dress he put a tie
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around it and created a sign and said
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beach cover-up
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it went from a worst seller to a best
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seller now in many organizations of
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course this would get you fired right
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it's called damaging the goods in this
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organization he was celebrated I spent
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the next two years traveling around the
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country talking to his colleagues and
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hearing about their own cut off the
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straps moments and there wasn't just
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about physical products it was how they
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thought about training how they thought
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about customer service how they thought
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about operations in the overarching
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pattern in the day there was this when
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we believed that we owned not literally
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owned but psychologically owned our
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resources we give ourselves the license
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that creative freedom to solve problems
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in ways that are not anticipate a bull
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to constraints unleash creativity and
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the land of chase and constraints are
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absolutely terrible because we judge the
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worth of projects and we even judge the
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worth of ourselves by how many resources
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who's got the bigger office who's got
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more people on their team who's got the
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largest budget but it actually turns out
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that there are times we're having less
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unlocks that creativity
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to allow you to sell problems so in one
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study what researchers did is they
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brought in groups of students and they
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randomly divided them into two groups
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group a was told think of how the time
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as a child when you grew up not having a
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lot that was the scarcity group the
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second group were told think about the
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time growing up when you did have a lot
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that was the abundance group both groups
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were then told to solve a practical
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problem the universities computer lab
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had some extra bubble wrap what should
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we do with this well it turns out that
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simply thinking about scarcity led to
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more creative and innovative ideas and
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the reason is rather simple when we
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surround ourselves with abundance the
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way that the mind works is it focuses on
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the most conventional way of using a
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resource but we embrace scarcity and me
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think about scarcity we give ourselves
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that licence to use objects and think
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about objects in very different ways so
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in this case having less gave us the
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freedom to actually do more right three
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Outsiders solve problems and I should
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probably start with a caveat that I
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don't mean to diminish expertise you
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know if someone were the COO one of you
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were to come into my office for office
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hours and say you know dr. something
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trying they need a tooth pulled I would
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send you to the dentist and tell you I'm
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not that type of doctor so there's a
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there's a reason why we have experts but
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there's also something to be said about
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the role of outside there is those who
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actually know less about a specific
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topic so in one study what researchers
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did is they looked at all of the studies
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that examine the relationship between
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expertise measured by the amount of
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practice someone has and how it relates
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to performance and it turns out that for
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games like chess the relationship
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between performance and expertise is 26%
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now that's not bad although my guess is
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it's probably lower than you were the
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guest when it comes time to music it's
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21% sports 18% this next one gives me a
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lot of pause because it's education and
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it's largely college students it's 4%
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and professional work it's less than 1%
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now there's also a clear pattern in the
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way that the data are trending which is
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essentially as you move from structured
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activities
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like games where the rules are knowing
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in advance and they never change to less
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structured activities where the rules
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are often changing or unknowable and
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these are the things where we spend most
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of our waking lives doing the role of
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expertise dramatically diminishes and
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the reason for this is quite simple
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experts are very good at what they're
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doing but they use tools in very
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specific ways because that's that's how
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they've been trained so they have a hard
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time applying their tools to different
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types of problems when the environment
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changes around them this was backed up
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by some other research that looked at 10
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10 different countries 166 scientific
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labs researchers wanted to ask a very
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simple but important question what is
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the relationship between what you know
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about a specific scientific domain and
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your likelihood to actually solve a
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problem in that domain seems like a
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straightforward question and in fact
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they found a positive relationship the
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more that someone knew about a specific
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scientific domain the less likely they
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were to solve the problem in other words
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biologists were better at solving the
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chemistry problems and the chemists and
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vice-versa
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for success comes from doing not
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planning now again there is important
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times in our lives where we want the
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plan but we often over plan and we over
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plan and we trick ourselves into
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thinking that the reality that's
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captured in our plans all of that
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information all of that data is actually
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true when the reality is is it's very
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hard to know what's gonna happen in five
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years in fact it's very hard to know
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what's gonna happen in the next day and
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the times that we find ourselves in
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right now and in fact if you look at the
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research there's very little correlation
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between strategic planning and
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organizational performance so I learned
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this firsthand the very first class I
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taught is at the University of Michigan
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I was still a PhD student is
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undergraduate introduction to management
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class and lo and behold this is probably
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no surprise to many of you in the room
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but when you put participation in the
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syllabus lots of people want to
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participate so I have a treasure trove
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of hands up in the air everyone was
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vying for airtime so I thought okay
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there's a really simple way of managing
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this what I'm gonna do is I'm just gonna
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say okay you're going to talk
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knew they knew then you know I've
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literally go around the horn in the
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classroom and I designate eight or nine
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different people to speak but what would
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happen is I get to the fourth or fifth
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person and with the bravado that you
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might have in some of your classes and
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more than where someone is just so
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confident that what they're saying is
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the most remarkable thing they deliver
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yeah you guys are all laughing for a
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reason they deliver they deliver you
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know this this comment and they'd be so
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proud and it has that big smirk on their
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face and everyone else in the room had a
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look of horror and they couldn't figure
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out why why is everyone looking at me so
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funny well it turned out what they did
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is they had just repeated the exact
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comment of the person sitting right next
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to them who had just spoken so we have a
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name for this it's called the
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next-in-line effect and what happens is
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when we are so focused on preparation
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and we have a speaking order so like I
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had a speaking order the mind shuts out
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as much as nine seconds before it's our
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turn to speak and as much as nine
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seconds after it's our turn to speak and
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that makes sense because there's nine
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seconds before we're planning our
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performance we want that we want to get
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that plan we want that really clever
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comment that we actually miss what just
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unfolded in front of us in those nine
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seconds afterwards we're thinking how
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did I perform did I meet the plan was a
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well received and so we end up not
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listening so what I try and do is you
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know put some more improvisational
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activities into my classroom to get
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people to more spontaneously just start
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acting and gather this idea that when we
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plan everything we end up with better
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results and I think I want to kind of
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leave you with one story that really
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captures this I'm guessing no one in the
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room knows who this is anyone really
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surprised you might know his name his
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name is Dan Wyden he's an advertising
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executive and one day he had a problem
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on his hands he had a client who needed
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a slogan to kind of make all of the
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different media campaigns come together
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so dan why there's a resourceful person
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he was in the scrappy makeshift office
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it was in the basement of a building
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because he couldn't afford prime real
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estate he didn't even have a phone back
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then there were no cell phone so he had
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a payphone that was his office phone
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with his back up against the wall he had
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a deadline and he recalled a rather
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bizarre situation for what he was trying
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to accomplish about ten years
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before and they a man by the name of
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Gary Gilmore was not a very nice person
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was in the news because he had killed
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two people
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Gilmore was a lifelong criminal you know
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horrible person
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but unlike many people on death row Gary
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Gilmore did not wanted to die right away
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so his mother interjected and Gary
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Gilmore's go away I really want to just
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die mom and he kept saying this to all
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of these associations when it was
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finally his turn to die in the execution
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chamber his last words were let's do it
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so that gave Dan why then enough
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material to finish his job because his
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advertising slogan that they came up
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with is arguably the most successful one
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in business history and I think it's a
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great example for three reasons
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one that you think about the context in
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which Dan why then produced this back
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against the wall time constraints came
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up with this idea to you think about
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what he repurposed something that didn't
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seem valuable at all I mean first of all
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you won't find this on the Nike homepage
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I can tell you that for sure but he took
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the slogan of a lifelong criminal his
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last words and turned it into this
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cultural icon and has sold lots and lots
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of stuff and changed our society because
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it's a third part that I really want to
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emphasize here because the phrase itself
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really activates us to start doing
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things and not to wait for the plan or
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the ideal resources think about how many
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times you might hear from other people
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or you might even say to yourself if I
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only had more time or more money or more
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information or more connections this is
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what I could do when we're stretching
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the time to act is right now so what I'd
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like to leave you with is just to
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reflect on those times where you think
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that you don't have enough are there
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ways that you might be able to better
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use what you have to stretch those
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resources and find great success and
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satisfaction thank you
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[Applause]
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[Music]
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[Applause]

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Episode Highlights

  • The Power of Stretching
    Scott Simon discusses how stretching our resources can lead to greater success and satisfaction.
    “Stretching is the psychology of resourcefulness.”
    @ 03m 31s
    March 17, 2017
  • Creativity in Scarcity
    Research shows that thinking about scarcity leads to more creative solutions.
    “Less can unlock creativity.”
    @ 06m 37s
    March 17, 2017
  • Act Now, Not Later
    The importance of taking action immediately rather than waiting for more resources.
    “The time to act is right now.”
    @ 14m 59s
    March 17, 2017

Episode Quotes

  • Stretching is the psychology of resourcefulness.
    Scott Sonenshein on Unlocking the Power of Less
  • Less can unlock creativity.
    Scott Sonenshein on Unlocking the Power of Less
  • The time to act is right now.
    Scott Sonenshein on Unlocking the Power of Less

Key Moments

  • Resourcefulness03:31
  • Creativity in Scarcity06:37
  • Immediate Action14:59

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