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Doing the Right Thing: When Moral Obligation Is Enough

November 19, 2015 / 08:52

This episode covers legal philosophy, moral obligations, law enforcement, and healthcare justice, featuring discussions on tax laws and international business ethics.

The host discusses James Madison's views on law and human behavior, arguing that law serves important moral purposes even when unenforced. The conversation highlights the ethical implications of tax laws, using the example of income tax and the moral obligation to report income honestly.

Further, the episode examines the responsibilities of legislators in enacting laws that may not be effectively enforced, emphasizing that moral obligations can exist even without sanctions. The host also addresses the challenges businesses face regarding under enforced labor laws and the moral duty to comply.

International business ethics are explored, particularly in contexts where laws are not enforced due to resource limitations. The host references a tragic building collapse in Bangladesh to illustrate the consequences of ignoring safety laws.

Overall, the episode presents a comprehensive view of the intersection between law, morality, and the responsibilities of individuals and businesses.

TLDR

The episode discusses moral obligations to follow unenforced laws and the ethical responsibilities of businesses in international contexts.

Episode

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James Madison once said that if people were angels we would have no use for law uh my work in legal philosophy and moral
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philosophy shows that James Madison wasn't right about this uh of course we need law in government to address a
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variety of human moral failings uh but even morally very good people would need uh law and government to get along well
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together my program has two sides one side of my research program is concerned with specific legal institutions uh that
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facilitate or hinder citizens having good moral relationships with each other uh this includes some work on democratic
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theory as well as some work on Healthcare Justice uh the other side of my program which I'd like to say a
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little bit more about concerns the relationship between law and law enforcement um if you believe as Madison
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did that the only point to law is addressing human misbehavior then you'll probably think that law has no point
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unless there are sanctions attached to legal prohibitions on this view there's
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no point to telling people to do something uh or the government telling people to do something unless the order
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is backed up with the threat to law Breakers to put them in prison to find them to compel payment of Damages or
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something of that nature I argue that law can serve morally important purposes even when it's unenforced or under
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enforced law can be morally binding on us quite apart from the effect that any sanctions have here's an example
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consider an income tax law that's uh either entirely unenforced or under enforced of course under enforcement is
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the situation they're that we're in because there are some forms of income
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that aren't subject to third party withholding or reporting uh and the IRS estimates that in 2006 I believe it's
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54% of uh people who owe uh taxon amounts that are not subject to third party reporting or withholding uh do uh
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misrepresent the amount that they're owing that's a lot of people cheating on
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their taxes but it's also a lot of people who are paying their taxes honestly even though there isn't a
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reliable enforcement mechanism to uh sanction them if they don't um so I focus on the ethical question here if
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you're in this situation you have under uh income that you could conceal from
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the IRS or another tax Authority and if you know that roughly half of your fellow citizens are shirking the tax and
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roughly half are paying it honestly what's your moral obligation well uh tax laws serve a
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morally important purpose they attempt to organize um uh support for morally important public goods such as public
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safety and to do it in a fair way of course if some people aren't paying their assigned share that's unfair but
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you would be compounding the unfairness or the Injustice if you chose to join their number um it would be unjust free
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writing not to pay your fair share the right thing to do is to report your income honestly and pay the tax um so
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this is an illustration of a general principle often there's a moral obligation to obey laws that are
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unenforced or under enforced and this is important partly because there's sometimes good reasons not to enforce a
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law for example there might be resource limitations on the part of law enforcement or there may be on uh
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privacy considerations it might be impossible to enforce a law effectively without an undue
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intrusion two key points first um for Citizens and residents there can be a moral obligation to follow laws that are
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unenforced or under enforced just because you could get away with breaking the law doesn't mean you're entitled to
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morally um this is going to apply when there's no enforcement on the books at
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all when there's uh there are sanctions on on the books but they're rarely
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applied it'll also apply when there are sanctions on the books that are applied
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but there're too slight to affect Behavior by themselves the other major takeaways for
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legislators sometimes legislators uh have reason to believe that a law that's
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being proposed couldn't be enforced both efficiently and fairly um that alone
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shouldn't take a proposal off the table sometimes the right thing for a legislature to do is to enact a new law
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uh demands that citizens take that law seriously but not back that demand up with a threat of
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sanctions this argument is going to be relevant to business people who are facing difficult questions about whether
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to follow an under enforced law when following that law might be might not be narrowly in the firm's interest um
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here's a not so hypothetical example suppose that there is a labor law requiring overtime pay for certain
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categories of workers and let's suppose that this law is under enforced because
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uh the only liability is uh back pay plus interest an employer that is narrowly self-interested might choose simply not
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to pay the overtime because the the the the sanctions on the books aren't enough
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to um effectively deter uh non-payment there may nonetheless be a moral obligation to pay overtime pay uh
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given the importance of this law in a fair scheme of economic cooperation my arguments are going to
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have particular application in the international context uh sometimes an multinational business is doing business
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in a lower middle-income country where law enforcement has resource limitations and prevents them from enforcing all of
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the socially important laws effectively I argue that the moral obligation to follow socially important laws isn't
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limited to the laws of One's Own country one can also have a moral obligation to
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follow socially important laws when one's doing business as a visitor on this side of my research
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program I have uh three directions that I'd like to explore first I'd look like
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to look more closely at the effects if any of comp ition on what obligations businesses have to obey un enforced or
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under enforced laws um are there situations in which a very tightly competitive market makes it genuinely
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infeasible to obey and under enforce law and if so is the moral could the moral obligation to support uh morally
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important legal institutions be fulfilled by participating in some kind of institution building instead that's
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one future direction another is is to look at what uh forms of enforcement are appropriate in a business context uh in
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particular I I plan to look at General moral principles that apply to the use of force and see what they have to say
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about when imprisonment is an appropriate penalty for white collar crimes or for non-violent property
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crimes more General um last I'd like to look more closely at the international context and
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in particular at the question what should a business due a multinational business due if it has reason to believe
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that some of its business partners uh in a resource poor settings uh are breaking
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the law uh perhaps because the law isn't effectively enforced perhaps because law
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enforcement has resource limitations here's a relevant example in 2013 there
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was a terrible building collapse in Bangladesh um an eight-story building collapsed killing over a thousand people
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and injuring over 2500 more uh and the building collaps because it wasn't up to
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code if they'd followed the local building codes which were under enforced the people wouldn't have died um part of
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that building was being used as a garment Factory that manufactured garments for export so I'd like to look
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at the question what obligations does a multi-national uh fast fashion Corporation have when it has reason to
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believe that its business partners in low and middle- income countries may not be following some important laws
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including safety codes [Music]

Episode Highlights

  • The Role of Law in Society
    James Madison's assertion that law is necessary to address human failings is examined.
    “If people were angels, we would have no use for law.”
    @ 00m 05s
    November 19, 2015
  • Moral Obligations and Tax Law
    A discussion on the ethical implications of tax compliance in an under-enforced system.
    “You would be compounding the unfairness if you chose to join their number.”
    @ 02m 59s
    November 19, 2015
  • Corporate Responsibility in Law Enforcement
    Exploring the obligations of multinational corporations in resource-limited countries.
    “What obligations does a multinational business have when laws aren't enforced?”
    @ 08m 15s
    November 19, 2015

Episode Quotes

  • If people were angels, we would have no use for law.
    Doing the Right Thing: When Moral Obligation Is Enough
  • Law can serve morally important purposes even when it's unenforced.
    Doing the Right Thing: When Moral Obligation Is Enough
  • You would be compounding the unfairness if you chose to join their number.
    Doing the Right Thing: When Moral Obligation Is Enough
  • The right thing to do is to report your income honestly and pay the tax.
    Doing the Right Thing: When Moral Obligation Is Enough
  • What obligations does a multinational business have when laws aren't enforced?
    Doing the Right Thing: When Moral Obligation Is Enough

Key Moments

  • Madison's Law00:05
  • Moral Obligations02:59
  • Corporate Ethics08:15

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