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Doing the Right Thing: When Moral Obligation Is Enough

November 19, 2015 / 08:52

This episode discusses legal philosophy, moral obligations, and the relationship between law and enforcement with a focus on under-enforced laws and their ethical implications.

The speaker argues that even morally good individuals need laws for social cooperation, citing James Madison's views on law's purpose. They emphasize that laws can have moral significance even when unenforced, using income tax laws as an example.

Key discussions include the moral obligation to obey under-enforced laws, the implications for legislators when proposing new laws, and the responsibilities of businesses in adhering to laws in resource-limited countries.

Examples such as labor laws and the 2013 Bangladesh building collapse illustrate the consequences of ignoring under-enforced laws and the ethical responsibilities of multinational corporations.

The episode concludes with future research directions, including the effects of competition on business obligations and the appropriate forms of enforcement in various contexts.

TL;DR

The episode examines moral obligations to follow under-enforced laws and the ethical responsibilities of individuals and businesses in legal contexts.

Episode

8:52
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James Madison once said that if people
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were angels we would have no use for law
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uh my work in legal philosophy and moral
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philosophy shows that James Madison
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wasn't right about this uh of course we
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need law in government to address a
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variety of human moral failings uh but
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even morally very good people would need
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uh law and government to get along well
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together my program has two sides one
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side of my research program is concerned
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with specific legal institutions uh that
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facilitate or hinder citizens having
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good moral relationships with each other
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uh this includes some work on democratic
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theory as well as some work on
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Healthcare Justice uh the other side of
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my program which I'd like to say a
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little bit more about concerns the
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relationship between law and law
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enforcement um if you believe as Madison
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did that the only point to law is
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addressing human misbehavior then you'll
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probably think that law has no point
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unless there are sanctions attached to
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legal prohibitions on this view there's
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no point to telling people to do
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something uh or the government telling
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people to do something unless the order
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is backed up with the threat to law
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Breakers to put them in prison to find
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them to compel payment of Damages or
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something of that nature I argue that
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law can serve morally important purposes
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even when it's unenforced or under
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enforced law can be morally binding on
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us quite apart from the effect that any
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sanctions have here's an example
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consider an income tax law that's uh
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either entirely unenforced or under
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enforced of course under enforcement is
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the situation they're that we're in
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because there are some forms of income
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that aren't subject to third party
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withholding or reporting uh and the IRS
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estimates that in 2006 I believe it's
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54% of uh people who owe uh taxon
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amounts that are not subject to third
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party reporting or withholding uh do uh
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misrepresent the amount that they're
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owing that's a lot of people cheating on
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their taxes but it's also a lot of
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people who are paying their taxes
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honestly even though there isn't a
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reliable enforcement mechanism to uh
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sanction them if they don't um so I
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focus on the ethical question here if
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you're in this situation you have under
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uh income that you could conceal from
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the IRS or another tax Authority and if
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you know that roughly half of your
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fellow citizens are shirking the tax and
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roughly half are paying it honestly
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what's your moral
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obligation well uh tax laws serve a
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morally important purpose they attempt
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to organize um uh support for morally
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important public goods such as public
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safety and to do it in a fair way of
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course if some people aren't paying
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their assigned share that's unfair but
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you would be compounding the unfairness
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or the Injustice if you chose to join
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their number um it would be unjust free
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writing not to pay your fair share the
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right thing to do is to report your
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income honestly and pay the tax um so
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this is an illustration of a general
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principle often there's a moral
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obligation to obey laws that are
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unenforced or under enforced and this is
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important partly because there's
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sometimes good reasons not to enforce a
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law for example there might be resource
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limitations on the part of law
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enforcement or there may be on uh
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privacy considerations it might be
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impossible to enforce a law effectively
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without an undue
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intrusion two key points first um for
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Citizens and residents there can be a
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moral obligation to follow laws that are
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unenforced or under enforced just
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because you could get away with breaking
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the law doesn't mean you're entitled to
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morally um this is going to apply when
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there's no enforcement on the books at
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all when there's uh there are sanctions
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on on the books but they're rarely
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applied it'll also apply when there are
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sanctions on the books that are applied
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but there're too slight to affect
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Behavior by
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themselves the other major takeaways for
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legislators sometimes legislators uh
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have reason to believe that a law that's
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being proposed couldn't be enforced both
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efficiently and fairly um that alone
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shouldn't take a proposal off the table
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sometimes the right thing for a
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legislature to do is to enact a new law
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uh demands that citizens take that law
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seriously but not back that demand up
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with a threat of
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sanctions this argument is going to be
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relevant to business people who are
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facing difficult questions about whether
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to follow an under enforced law when
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following that law might be might not be
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narrowly in the firm's interest um
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here's a not so hypothetical example
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suppose that there is a labor law
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requiring overtime pay for certain
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categories of workers and let's suppose
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that this law is under enforced because
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uh the only liability is uh back pay
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plus interest an employer that is
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narrowly
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self-interested might choose simply not
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to pay the overtime because the the the
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the sanctions on the books aren't enough
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to um effectively deter uh
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non-payment there may nonetheless be a
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moral obligation to pay overtime pay uh
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given the importance of this law in a
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fair scheme of economic
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cooperation my arguments are going to
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have particular application in the
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international context uh sometimes an
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multinational business is doing business
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in a lower middle-income country where
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law enforcement has resource limitations
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and prevents them from enforcing all of
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the socially important laws effectively
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I argue that the moral obligation to
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follow socially important laws isn't
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limited to the laws of One's Own country
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one can also have a moral obligation to
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follow socially important laws when
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one's doing business as a
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visitor on this side of my research
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program I have uh three directions that
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I'd like to explore first I'd look like
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to look more closely at the effects if
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any of comp ition on what obligations
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businesses have to obey un enforced or
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under enforced laws um are there
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situations in which a very tightly
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competitive market makes it genuinely
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infeasible to obey and under enforce law
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and if so is the moral could the moral
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obligation to support uh morally
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important legal institutions be
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fulfilled by participating in some kind
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of institution building instead that's
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one future direction another is is to
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look at what uh forms of enforcement are
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appropriate in a business context uh in
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particular I I plan to look at General
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moral principles that apply to the use
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of force and see what they have to say
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about when imprisonment is an
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appropriate penalty for white collar
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crimes or for non-violent property
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crimes more
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General um last I'd like to look more
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closely at the international context and
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in particular at the question what
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should a business due a multinational
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business due if it has reason to believe
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that some of its business partners uh in
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a resource poor settings uh are breaking
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the law uh perhaps because the law isn't
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effectively enforced perhaps because law
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enforcement has resource limitations
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here's a relevant example in 2013 there
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was a terrible building collapse in
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Bangladesh um an eight-story building
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collapsed killing over a thousand people
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and injuring over 2500 more uh and the
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building collaps because it wasn't up to
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code if they'd followed the local
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building codes which were under enforced
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the people wouldn't have died um part of
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that building was being used as a
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garment Factory that manufactured
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garments for export so I'd like to look
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at the question what obligations does a
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multi-national uh fast fashion
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Corporation have when it has reason to
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believe that its business partners in
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low and middle- income countries may not
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be following some important laws
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including safety codes
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Episode Highlights

  • The Role of Law
    James Madison's belief that law is only for misbehavior is challenged; law serves moral purposes even when unenforced.
    “Law can serve morally important purposes even when it’s unenforced.”
    @ 01m 23s
    November 19, 2015
  • Moral Obligations to Follow Laws
    Citizens may have a moral obligation to obey unenforced laws, emphasizing fairness and justice.
    “You would be compounding the unfairness if you chose to join their number.”
    @ 02m 59s
    November 19, 2015
  • Legislative Responsibilities
    Legislators should consider enacting laws even if they can't be enforced efficiently.
    “Sometimes the right thing for a legislature to do is to enact a new law.”
    @ 04m 29s
    November 19, 2015

Episode Quotes

  • Law can serve morally important purposes even when it’s unenforced.
    Doing the Right Thing: When Moral Obligation Is Enough
  • You would be compounding the unfairness if you chose to join their number.
    Doing the Right Thing: When Moral Obligation Is Enough
  • Sometimes the right thing for a legislature to do is to enact a new law.
    Doing the Right Thing: When Moral Obligation Is Enough

Key Moments

  • Moral Philosophy00:10
  • Legal Institutions00:34
  • Tax Obligations02:37
  • Legislative Ethics04:29
  • International Business Ethics06:16

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