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Why Wall Street Traders Keep Making a Fortune

October 15, 2015 / 12:16

This episode discusses labor market dynamics in finance, focusing on compensation models, externalities, and the roles of financial workers. Key topics include the impact of speculative trading versus investment opportunities, the competition among firms for skilled workers, and how these factors influence pay structures.

Guest Richard Larry from the University of Texas at Austin presents a labor market model that illustrates how financial firms compete for a limited supply of skilled workers. He explains how the tasks performed by these workers, such as speculative trading or finding profitable investments, affect their compensation.

The conversation highlights the concept of the difference premium, where firms pay more to secure workers who could otherwise benefit rival firms. Larry provides examples of how the compensation of financial engineers and traders varies based on the competitive landscape and the externalities they impose on other firms.

Additionally, the episode addresses empirical observations in finance, such as the disparity in pay between different types of traders and the overall increase in compensation despite a growing workforce. Larry emphasizes that compensation may not always correlate with the social value created by a worker.

The discussion concludes with insights on how understanding these dynamics can inform better regulation and compensation strategies in the financial sector.

TLDR

Richard Larry discusses how tasks in finance affect worker compensation and firm competition.

Episode

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in my paper with Richard Larry from the University of Texas at Austin we try to understand how the specific tasks that
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workers and finance perform will affect their compensation we think this is an important topic because the financial
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sector is a big part of the economy in the US the financial sector represents 10% of US
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GDP also a lot of the money that is flowing through the financial sector and ends up being used to compensate workers
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typically a Wall Street firm will use 50% of it of its revenues to pay its workers so there's a lot of money that
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is Flowing from the US economy to financial workers and we try to understand how that works so what we do
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in the paper is we propose a labor market model where Financial firms compete for the services of a limited
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supply of skilled workers and these workers can be as allocated or they can be hired to become traders who speculate
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with other firms about the value of an asset or they can be uh hired to create a surplus by finding profitable
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investment opportunities so for the first task what they do is a zero sum game they participate in a zero sum game
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they help the firm extract Surplus away from rival firms on the other hand if they if these workers are hired to find
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investment profitable investment opportunities like finding the next Tesla or finding the next Facebook they
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create a surplus for the whole sector and we show in this paper that the externalities that these workers impose
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on other firms will affect their compensation and by specifically modeling these tasks like speculative
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trading or investment we're able to talk about how the compensation and the employment of workers in finance can be
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affected by the investment opportunities the liquidity needs and the trading networks that we
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observe so the key takeaway of my paper is that the specific tasks that workers perform in finance will have a big
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impact on how firms compete for their services for example take a financial engineer who is hired to find better
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ways to hedge interest rate risk so that engineer by innovating by finding that better hedging strategy will benefit his
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employer but also all the other firms in the sector who will then be able to to use this strategy to hedge their risk so
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when firms bid for the services of this worker when they're trying to compete
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for the uh the this worker they're not as aggressive because they know they can
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still Ben benefit from the innovation of that worker even though they don't hire
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this financial engineer now take a speculative Trader whose job is to take advantage of other
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financial institutions right take advantage of the counterparties better value the Securities that are being
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traded between his or her employer and their counter parties right now acquiring the expertise of this this
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Trad is very important because instead of gaining say $5 million by better valuing the Securities that are about to
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be traded The Firm might lose $5 million to that to the firm that employs this Trader so we go from a profit of $5
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million to a loss of $5 million so now firms are willing to pay up to $10 million for the services of this worker
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first $5 million for the profits that he creates but also $55 million to make sure that this worker is not used
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against them that second $5 million amount is what we call the difference premium this is how much you're willing
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to pay for a worker to make sure he he or she does not work for one of your counterparties and and use is
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competitive competitive advantage against you so that's one thing that's a
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key Insight another Insight is has to do with the interactions between different
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types of jobs right think of a situation where a firm's counter parties hired a lot of Traders a lot of
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good Traders and these Traders are able to trade or value the Securities that your financial Engineers have created
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what that means is if you hire Financial Engineers you're going to lose a lot of
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the Surplus that these Financial Engineers create to other firms because they have good Traders so what that that
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means is that in equilibrium your financial engineer and financial Engineers will
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earn less if other firms have hired a lot of smart speculative Traders on the other hand if other firms
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have hired a lot of Smart Financial Engineers that means they have created a lot of good Securities that might need
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to be traded in the future so the compensation you willing to offer for your Traders will go up if these guys
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have hired a lot of financial engineer so not only are two traders who might have this very similar
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skills not only are they paid differently but also the compensation of one type of worker will be comp will be
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affected greatly by how many workers of a different type are hired by rival firms
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first we find that eye compensation for financial workers might arise in cases where only a few firms are competing for
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their services right when there's only a few firms in the sector trading Securities they only a few of them can
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hire these Traders so in most models you will say well that's bad for the workers
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lower compensation When there's less demand for their services but since a lot of the compensation that we observe
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in our model comes from the externalities it actually helps the traders to have few firms trading or
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competing for their services and the reason is that if there are only a few firms then the externalities are greater
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and the defense premium is greater M leading to high compensation for Traders the opposite can be said said about
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these Financial Engineers if there's if there are very few firms that are looking to hire their their U the these
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Financial Engineers the externality that they impose on these firms are big and therefore there's very little
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compensation for them their compensation is low now there's the other surprising
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fact too and it is that when there's more entry in the financial sector when
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there are more workers who want to work in finance we might have com the average
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compensation paid to these workers go up and the reason has to do with the allocation of workers how workers are
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assigned to different tasks take the extreme example where a firm first needs to hire a final engineer to design a
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security and then everyone else that this firm hires will end up being assigned to the trading task to
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speculative trading so now if there's only one worker being employed by that
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firm that one worker is a financial engineer okay and earns the lower compensation but but then everyone else
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afterwards starts making more money because these new workers that are hired by The Firm are imposing negative
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externalities on the firm so we start with only one worker making a low salary and we keep adding more workers who
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benefit from this this defense premium overall as the supply of or or as the number of workers increases we have
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higher average compensation our model helps us understand a few recently documented empirical facts
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about compensation and finance first we know that top Wall Street firms tend to pay their uh interest rate option
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Traders about twice as much as they pay their foreign exchange option Traders this could be puzzling if you only uh
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thought about the skills that these guys bring to the table but our model highlights the the role that trading
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comp concentration can can play for this difference right the interest rate option Market is a lot more concentrated
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than the foreign exchange option Market therefore we should observe that the traders of interest rate options should
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earn a higher defense premium and a higher compensation than foreign exchange option Traders the other thing
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that our model helps us understand is why we've seen in recent decades an increase in the average compensation in
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finance this despite the the the many people who have entered this sector so we have a lot of graduate students or
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undergraduate students who enter the market yet the compensation keep going up the last thing is is kind of a more
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broad uh kind of a broader takeaway as and it has to do with the fact that our model highlights our
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compensation might not necessarily be linked with the social value that is created by a worker or by a task so some
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tasks might be underpaid undercompensated like Financial Innovation and some tasks might end up
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being overpaid or overcompensated in equilibrium task like speculative trading and this might help people
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understand how to uh better regulate or better uh think about the compensation that is offered in the
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market we carefully consider the tasks that that Financial workers perform for their firms right unlike in other
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Industries where most workers produce help the firm produce Goods the the workers in our in our
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model they trade Securities which imposes negative externalities on other firms or they find uh new Financial
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Innovation they identify new Financial innovations that will create a surplus for all sector and the fact that we
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model these interactions among firms allow us to uncover the effect of externalities on
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compensation in a model without externalities or where we don't model the we don't look at the interactions
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across firms we will see all workers with the same ability level making the same amount of money but in our model we
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have externalities among firms the firms when they bid for these workers when they try to hire them they consider
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these externalities as part of the equation and in the end what we get is that workers who impose negative
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externalities on other firms the the speculative traders who are are part of a zero SU game they are they earn more
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money they make they they have a higher compensation than the financial Engineers the bankers and the other
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types of workers who impose positive externalities on the firms that failed to hire them
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Episode Highlights

  • Understanding Financial Compensation
    This paper explores how specific tasks in finance impact worker compensation.
    “The specific tasks that workers perform in finance will have a big impact on compensation.”
    @ 02m 15s
    October 15, 2015
  • The Role of Externalities
    The model reveals how externalities affect compensation in finance.
    “Workers who impose negative externalities earn more than those who impose positive ones.”
    @ 11m 31s
    October 15, 2015

Episode Quotes

  • The financial sector represents 10% of US GDP.
    Why Wall Street Traders Keep Making a Fortune
  • Compensation might not necessarily be linked with the social value created.
    Why Wall Street Traders Keep Making a Fortune

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  • Financial Sector Impact00:22
  • Labor Market Model00:50
  • Externalities in Compensation09:49

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