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Creating Jobs: Is Small Beautiful?

December 03, 2014 / 06:48

This episode discusses government policies in India, focusing on small and medium enterprises, employment growth, and regulatory changes. Guests include Shanti Nataraj and Leslie Martin.

The conversation highlights research findings that show the Indian government's small-scale reservation policies did not yield the expected results for small and medium enterprises. Instead, employment and wages grew faster after these restrictions were removed.

Key points include the role of young and larger firms in driving employment growth, countering the belief that small and medium enterprises are the primary source of job creation. The discussion also references related research from the United States.

The episode emphasizes the importance of not restricting market entry for small firms while advocating for policies that support younger firms and larger enterprises to maximize employment growth.

Additionally, ongoing research projects on environmental regulations in India and industrial policies in China are mentioned, indicating a broader relevance of these findings beyond India.

TLDR

Indian policies favoring small firms hindered employment growth; young and larger firms drive job creation instead.

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well I've always been interested in the role of government policies in promoting
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uh well-being so India in particular is an interesting case because there have been extensive regulatory changes and
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policies to try to make people better off but the kinds of regulations that India has directed towards small and
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medium Enterprises are typical of the kinds of policies that many countries actually have for their small and medium
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firms so it's a more General and important question so the key findings for This
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research which as you mentioned is co-authored with uh Shanti nataraj and Leslie Martin the key finding of that
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research is that the promotion of small and medium Enterprises by reserving certain
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products only for them didn't have the expected results so the idea behind the
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Indian government's policies which were known as smallscale reservation was to
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take a large number of products maybe thousand products and only small and medium Enterprises could produce them um
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so this was tried to Foster these small firms so it was expected that by removing those policies which the Indian
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government did in the 2000s they got rid of all of them we would have thought that actually firms would suffer and
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wouldn't grow as quickly the result is quite surprising what the result shows
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is that on net employment and wages actually grew faster once these restrictions were
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removed what our research shows is that employment generation is really um focused on either young firms New firms
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or larger Enterprises and you might wonder why is it that employment is being generated in India by these
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younger firms or these larger firms when conventional wisdom suggests that it would be small and medium Enterprises
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would be the source of of growth well we think that the reason we're getting
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these unexpected findings is because um essentially young firms are really the key innovators in India probably in
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other countries as well and so it's youth that's really important and also larger firms have the
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connections needed to enter the market they have the connections needed to be able to access Capital knowledge and a
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well educated worker so when you think about it it actually seems almost obvious in the end that it's the young
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larger firms that are more likely to generate employment growth we think that our research really
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has much broader applications although of course India is an extremely important country we think this research
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is also relevant to many other countries including countries like the united states and countries like France and
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many other countries which really promote small and medium Enterprises uh so in fact we know that
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this research is relevant because our research is also linked to other Recent research that's been done for example in
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the United States by John Al Wanger at the University of Maryland his research along with his co-authors also shows
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that in the US case it's the younger larger firms that are generating more employment the advantage of our research
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is that we actually have what's called a natural experiment the elimination of a
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regulatory framework which allows us to look at before and after which uh other researchers have not been able to
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exploit to understand um this problem so the policy implications are that if you want to promote employment
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growth then restricting the product the the production of certain goods for certain size firms is not the way to go
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the way to go would be to encourage entry by younger firms um or to encourage larger Enterprises and that's
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more likely to yield the kind of outcomes that governments are looking for for so there's a perception among
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economists among policy makers that that small is beautiful what our research suggests is that that is clearly not the
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case if you're trying to maximize employment growth if you want to maximize employment growth you really
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want to focus on the younger firms but that's not to say we shouldn't be
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promoting small and medium Enterprises the best way to promote them is basically not to discriminate against
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them so don't make it harder on small and medium Enterprises to enter in because we want new Enterprises but
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explicit policies to encourage being small are not a good idea so tax holidays that are only focused on small
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and medium Enterprises for example are not a good way to go that's what our research
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suggests so I'm very excited about uh an ongoing research project also on India
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where we are looking at the effects of hundreds of regulations to try to improve the environment in India there
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have been many different regulatory changes some of them mandated by the Supreme Court others done at the state
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and local level and we're particularly interested in trying to identify what
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kinds of changes uh either through regulations or price changes can make firms behave in a cleaner more
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environmentally friendly way um so that's our that's our ongoing uh project
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uh on India I'm also doing a number of other research projects on China looking
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in particular at the success of their industrial policies which is an area that I find uh particularly important
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Episode Highlights

  • Unexpected Findings on Employment Growth
    Research shows that removing restrictions on small firms led to faster employment growth in India.
    “The result is quite surprising: employment and wages grew faster once these restrictions were removed.”
    @ 01m 35s
    December 03, 2014
  • Youth and Larger Firms Drive Growth
    Younger and larger firms are key innovators and sources of employment in India.
    “It's the young larger firms that are more likely to generate employment growth.”
    @ 02m 49s
    December 03, 2014

Episode Quotes

  • It's youth that's really important for employment generation.
    Creating Jobs: Is Small Beautiful?
  • Restricting production for small firms isn't the way to go.
    Creating Jobs: Is Small Beautiful?
  • Small is beautiful? Not for employment growth.
    Creating Jobs: Is Small Beautiful?

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  • Government Policies00:07
  • Surprising Results01:35
  • Youth Innovation02:30
  • Policy Implications04:07

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