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Vicente Fox: Build Bridges...Not Walls

April 12, 2010 / 10:32

This episode covers economic growth, poverty reduction, oil dependency, and fiscal policies in Mexico. Key discussions include the importance of stability, social policies, and human capital.

The guest discusses how Mexico achieved a 35% reduction in poverty during his administration despite modest economic growth of 2.5% per year. He emphasizes that stability is crucial for maintaining real income and preventing inflation from eroding assets.

He raises concerns about Mexico's heavy reliance on oil revenues, which account for over 40% of the national budget. He argues that this dependency has hindered the development of a robust tax system and human capital investment.

The guest criticizes the government's focus on oil exploration instead of investing in education and health. He shares insights on how Brazil's mixed public-private approach to oil management has led to greater success.

Overall, the conversation highlights the need for Mexico to shift its economic strategies towards sustainable growth and better fiscal management.

TL;DR

The episode discusses Mexico's economic growth, poverty reduction, and the need for fiscal reform away from oil dependency.

Episode

10:32
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one thing that I experienced and that
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was key during my
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Administration is
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that what
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is always said in
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economy that to defeat
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poverty you have to
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grow the size of your
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economy the per capita income and the
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distribution of
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income and that's only partially
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true because during my
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Administration we grew on the average of
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Two and a half% a year which is not much
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compared to the Double G digit rates of
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growth of China or the eight or % growth
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of
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India or other nations that grow way
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above
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5% but even with having grown at two and
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a
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half% the economy we still were able to
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reduce
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poverty by
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35% 35 % of Mexican families during
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those six years had the opportunity to
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overcome by their own
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effort their condition of poverty and
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they became middle
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class modest middle
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class and how can this be
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done and I bring in a factor that I
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consider most important and that I
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learned from my finance
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minister Mr Paco
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Hill that stability is a key issue on
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the
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economy that first of all first
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responsibility with the economy is
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making sure that everybody keeps its
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assets its Revenue in actual terms and
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is not eroded by inflation
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in Latin America during the 20th
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century we most Every
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Nation
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average for the decade rates of growth
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of 2% 1% and we you take the long run 30
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or 40 years Latin American growth is
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totally
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disappointing and the increase of the
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rate of poor was growing every year
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and the problem was that we had every
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other this year this Mammoth
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devaluations this Mammoth economic
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crisis that will take you backwards all
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what you had Advanced before and of
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course your currency kept losing value
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in front the currencies of the rest of
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the world so there was no way for the
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poor to come along there was no way for
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business and investment to have
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sustainable growth on longterm
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periods and that's why stability of the
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economy is a key issue and really pays
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off and this takes me to in the
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analysis watch after the difference
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between between
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quantitative development and
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qualitative
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development because
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even the economy not growing at a fast
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rate if you bring in powerful social
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policies and you associate them to the
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economy then you get a much better
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answer when I'm speaking about powerful
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social policies I'm speaking about
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education human capital
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building
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Health housing and direct combat
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to
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Poverty where you exercise on the budget
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a very strong share of that budget on
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this powerful social
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policies then you attain the
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distribution of income even though the
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size of the pie might not might not be
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growing at the rate that you would
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expect inflation is a key
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ingredient to make sure that you attain
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the distribution of income and that the
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real income received by families is
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increasing every
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year so controlling inflation and that's
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part of having a stability is a key uh
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issue on
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this I have a question and it has to do
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with pemet you briefly touch on it if
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the government budget is so dependent on
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the pemix and we're going to be seeing a
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huge decline in production of oil uh
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I've also been told that o that the bad
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news of pemix is maybe 10 times worse
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than what is publicly
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acknowledged what is the government
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doing about fitting in the fiscal the
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money where is that going to come from
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if they've been so dependent on PMX for
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so long and they won't be able to in the
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near future yeah yeah uh it's a key
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issue in the case of
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Mexico uh and sometimes I think that uh
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that resource was not given to Mexico by
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God that it was given by the
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devil because it represents over 40% of
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the total budget of the
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nation including the three levels of
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government federal state and Municipal
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40% of the budget comes from the oil and
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that has made us lazy in
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Mexico because against that what we have
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our total fiscal income our total
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revenue tax revenue is 11% of gross
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product I don't know how where are you
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with those data but a case like United
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States is over 30% 32% of gross domestic
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product is the take of government to
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build the budget case of Brazil and
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Chile have already reached
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30% we are maybe except he or somebody
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else the
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lowest
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uh country in fiscal
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income what has happened is that we have
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used the oil to compensate for before
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the taxes we're not
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collecting if we add the oil which is
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about 9% of gross product the revenue of
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oil we go up to
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20% taxes plus oil income still is very
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low for
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today's uh challenges and
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needs Europe all nations are over
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40% of gross product is
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their fiscal income so we have a problem
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there problem number two with the oil is
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the
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Monopoly I mean we're using resources
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that we could be using for building
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human capital and we're investing in oil
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fields in oil exploration in building
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refineries I'm sorry but that's
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stupid I would gladly change each one
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varable oil that we have for one kid in
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University
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absolutely better to invest our money
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not in getting the oil but on building
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human capital unfortunately this
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Paradigm that comes ra from
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19306 or8 when the O was nationalized by
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president cardinas that became a paradig
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in and the first one that tried to
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change that was my Administration I
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submitted a bill to Congress to change
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changed that didn't pass through
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president Calderon submitted the same
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proposal didn't pass through except the
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small changes but not relevant to the
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problem to the size of the
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problem look at Brazil P brass it's been
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a miracle it's been a miracle in the
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last 12 years since president cardoso
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decided to go ahead and put in the open
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market
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30% of the stock of P brass so it became
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a blend or a mix of public and private
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investment and has moved impressively to
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today Petr brass is in Asia is in Norway
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is everywhere in Africa in the world
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working drilling getting oil exporting
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very very successful private
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Administration private principles to
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administrate not public
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the worst administrator ever and
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anywhere is
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government it's
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government so when you go looking for a
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job go to government to see if you can
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change it please I couldn't I couldn't

Episode Highlights

  • Reducing Poverty
    During my administration, we reduced poverty by 35% for Mexican families.
    “35% of Mexican families overcame poverty by their own effort.”
    @ 01m 28s
    April 12, 2010
  • The Oil Dependency Dilemma
    Over 40% of Mexico's budget comes from oil, making the nation complacent.
    “That resource was not given to Mexico by God, it was given by the devil.”
    @ 06m 17s
    April 12, 2010
  • Investing in Human Capital
    We should prioritize building human capital over oil investments for sustainable growth.
    “Absolutely better to invest our money not in getting the oil but on building human capital.”
    @ 08m 35s
    April 12, 2010

Episode Quotes

  • Stability is a key issue on the economy.
    Vicente Fox: Build Bridges...Not Walls

Key Moments

  • Economic Growth00:53
  • Poverty Reduction01:28
  • Oil Dependency06:17
  • Human Capital Investment08:35

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