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Does Short-selling Need the SEC's Oversight?

July 24, 2008 / 10:49

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information there really is nothing illegal about it is a phrase often heard in descriptions of the practice of Short
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Selling or shorting perhaps that's because many casual stock market observers know only one thing about the
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practice it's a bet that a particular stock will soon decline in value to bet
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in favor of someone else's bad fortune carries a nefarious ring for many people
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but there really is nothing illegal about short selling at least not in the United States that phrase has been
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repeated frequently in the days since the Securities and Exchange Commission announced that it would impose at least
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temporary restrictions on certain methods of shorting the stock of 19 key financial institutions including the
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government sponsored mortgage firms Fanny May and Freddy Mack those rules were introduced after short sellers were
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said to have helped drive down the sh of several major financial institutions knowledge at Wharton asked Wharton
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Finance professors Marshall Bloom and Franklin Allen to talk about these issues could you describe for us the
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mechanics of Short Selling Short Selling is a a very simple uh procedure uh normally when you buy a stock let's say
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you buy it at $50 you uh make money if the stock goes up and you lose money if the stock goes
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down so if the stock goes from 50 to 60 you make $10 if it goes from 50 to4 you lose $10 well short sale reverses that
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so if the stock goes from 50 to 60 you lose $10 and vice versa if it goes down you
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make money now how does this work well it's not really a very complicated uh
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process uh let's say this $50 stock I think it's going to go down to 40 what I
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do is I borrow the stock from somebody and then I sell it when I sell it I have $50 in the bank the stock then uh Falls
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to 40 I buy it back at $40 give the stock back to the uh person uh from whom I borrowed it and that person still has
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one share but I have $10 ahead 50 uh less than 40 now it's important to realize that there's many other ways to
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make money when stocks go down uh you can buy uh uh puts uh I could buy a put at
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$50 and a put at $50 allows me to put the stock uh to the uh writer of the put at any time within say 3 to 6 months or
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longer depending upon the put if the price goes down now to 40 I buy it at 40 and I put the stock to the uh writer of
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the put and make $10 he'll give me 50 and I but just paid 40 now there are other ways too for
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instance I could do what's called a swap a swap is basically I swap my one return
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for another return so what I do is I say to a broker when uh I want to enter into
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a swap contract uh and if the price of the stock goes down they'll pay me uh
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the amount that it goes down if the price goes up they'll pay me the uh um I
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have to pay them now of course I've got to give them something for this and it's
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usually a short-term interest rate plus a premium uh and there are many other ways to short stocks so um we I think we
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lose focus when we say that we only can short stock by borrowing shares the's
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new rules focus on the first of those the borrowing of shares specifically it prohibits what are known as naked shorts
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on the shares of those 19 firms can you tell us a little bit about naked shorts a naked short
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sort of pejorative term uh a naked short uh means that I sell a stock and I don't
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borrow it first uh now if I do it within a day there's no real problem because I uh
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short the stock and then I buy it back and there's a netting so I never have to
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deliver the stock what the SEC rules uh said is even if I want to short it for a
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day I've got to borrow the stock first and then uh uh sell it and then buy it back uh now when you have liquid
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stocks that's not really a major uh concern it's easy to borrow liquid stocks
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um uh very easy to borrow um when a stock is in short supply then it's hard but here is just going to increase your
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transaction cost a little bit to go short as in any Market bet there are upside and downsides for short sellers
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but are there not also upsides and downsides for the companies that are the subject of their bets I think that's a
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question of manipulation underlying all these concerns that people have about short sellers so particularly for small
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companies they can have a big problem if people simply go out and and short sell
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their shares and drive the the price down and that's an example of trade M manipulation where people wonder is
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there some information that these people have and so that can cause problems for
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the for the company particularly if they're not doing very well anyway among
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the bigger companies the the real problem is what's known as information-based
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manipulation which is where you circulate rumors about something negative about the company and hopefully
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Drive its if in terms of making money hopefully Drive its price down and then close out the short now that's illegal
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but it's very difficult for the SEC to to prosecute those kinds of cases and I
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think that's that's the thing that the the SEC is currently most concerned
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about that was why it was made difficult back in the 30s when the SEC was founded
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because there was some evidence then of that kind of information-based manipulation Franklin what would you say
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to the following um a u person has a negative view on the stock they uh sell the uh
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stock short and they then call up their friends and say I had a negative view on
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this stock I sold it short and then they the other people then sell short helping
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to drive the price down is that market manipulation so some people would call that a be raid and in that case it would
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be illegal if they did it with the intention of driving the price down so I think one has to be very careful as to
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how exactly one does this but you're quite right Marshall there are there are
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many cases where if you have a negative View and you talk with your friends then
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then that's you know quite legal to do that and I think there's a very fine
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line between those so I think it it it is very difficult to to draw these lines as to what's legal and what's illegal
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and it's very difficult for the SEC to prosecute any clearly illegal actions
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some people have said that the downfall of Bear Sterns and the swoons of Freddy Mack and Fanny May have been
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attributable at least in part to the activ activities of short sellers what do you think about that theory well I
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think certainly there are some views that uh these P these companies were overpriced correctly so and they drove
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the price down more rapidly than they would have otherwise but they drove it not to a price which was inappropriate
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what are the stakes for the broader markets in which these bets are placed so I think in general that the way to
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the academic evidence is that it has a good effect because it helps price discover and helps information get into
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prices much more quickly than in is the case in countries where for example it's
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illegal to short stock so I think it's a by and large a very good thing in the
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case of these financial crisis it's a little bit more delicate I think because
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there is an issue if there is manipulation which as say it's illegal but it's very difficult to Pro prosecute
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but if people can successfully circulate rumors which are which are patently untrue they have the
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potential to make a lot of money from doing that little chance of being court and going to jail but they could
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seriously disrupt the financial system so this the classic example at the moment is Leman for example so the
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chairman of lhan thinks that there are people out there trying to do that and he's very concerned about that and it
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may well be that that they have serious problems and Lan could for example be forced to uh be sold and some people
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believe that that's what happened with bare Sterns that really this was just a
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form of manipulation and of course the SEC is looking into that so I think they do have to be careful and they do have
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to check these this potential breaking of the law uh but it's a delicate issue
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more delicate than in general I would say what benefits might ACR from the new regulations I think it won't have much
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effect in terms of stopping shorts it it'll raise the transactions costs a little bit as Marshall was indicating
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earlier but I think this is part of a wider campaign that the SEC is involved in which is to send a signal to the
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markets that they're concerned about short selling and I think this is one way of them them doing that so whether
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or not it affects directly apart from the slight increase in short sale I think it's it's more
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that they want they want to signal to the market that they're worried about this I I think that they will
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aggressively pursue some of the hedge funds if they find any emails which suggest that there were false rers being
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circulated and this is all part of of that campaign do you see any unintended consequences I I don't see any uh
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unintended consequence of this elimination of uh naked uh uh shorts for a particular group of stocks it's a a
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minor change in the rules I would agree with that yes for more information please visit
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Episode Highlights

  • Understanding Short Selling
    Short selling is a practice where investors bet against a stock's value, potentially profiting from its decline.
    “It's a bet that a particular stock will soon decline in value.”
    @ 00m 24s
    July 24, 2008
  • SEC's New Restrictions
    The SEC announced temporary restrictions on short selling for 19 key financial institutions.
    “Those rules were introduced after short sellers were said to have helped drive down the shares.”
    @ 00m 56s
    July 24, 2008
  • The Risks of Short Selling
    Short selling can lead to market manipulation, especially for smaller companies.
    “They can have a big problem if people simply go out and short sell their shares.”
    @ 05m 15s
    July 24, 2008

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  • There really is nothing illegal about it.
    Does Short-selling Need the SEC's Oversight?
  • It's a delicate issue.
    Does Short-selling Need the SEC's Oversight?

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  • Short Selling Explained01:12
  • Naked Shorts Defined04:00
  • Market Manipulation Concerns05:10
  • SEC's Regulatory Focus09:40

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